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Talks to Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Dominators (4/5) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to Quark life who commonly podcast all things
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  dominate as and quarks as soon as it sounds really enticing all
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  think dominators are stop it. I'm sorry.
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  I'm sorry. You know what, I think I looked
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  at that screen while stirring episode for the dominators are
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  looked at a few times and I thought we should really be
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  talking about what's going on the scoop on that waked
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  concerted, effort this time. But that's Of like the nature of
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  our classic or a Clinger it is interesting.
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  Well, this is it. Oh, hi.
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  Welcome to episode 4. By the way, I'm Fraser, this is
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  too high and high. Yeah, we're talking to her.
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  I will assuming people have listened to episodes 1. 2 3, you
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  would think so. But there's like, what you did.
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  I know people are just stuck into one episode while they do
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  that forever. So for the dominators, I've no
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  idea, but here you go. What?
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  But what was I going to see ya? We make a classic a recliner.
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  it's so, Well, talked about for a clanger that you think, you
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  know what? It's thanks to you.
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  Yeah, but I mean, I think the classic example is our good
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  friend, Jason Miller in his dominant esteem podcast, which
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  is confusing for Doctor Who literature.
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  Oh yes, has dominated yet. He hasn't got it yet but he does
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  like to mention the dominators in each and every single
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  episode. Wow, the guy like it to see, he
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  looks well, he says he doesn't like it but this is the point
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  for something that you don't like.
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  To be mentioned in it over and over again, that it's a bit of a
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  wooden joke. Now, that a Cylon the Maharani,
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  I thought I was wrong with her man.
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  Honestly, he came on this thing to celebrate Warriors of the
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  deep. Yeah, but you were the same as
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  well, you know, they've got a running joke between us, didn't
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  it that, you know, you would be axon dominators clocks in
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  because you were coming and saying, oh, hang on click, he's
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  just gonna do it for us. Now, you would be coming on and
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  doing a commentary and you would see all this is rubbish problem.
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  Ha just like the dominators whoo-hoo and that would be like,
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  that's not your and Lively Bravo, it got the wood and Jog
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  of God's, the dominance clocks and because you love it so much,
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  you can't stop talking about it. And I think that's, that's the
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  effect is like, you know, the Quark design, you know, people
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  say it's it's not good design, but it's memorable and it's It's
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  endured across the The Source, 50 years.
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  Those kids are things laptop those comic strips.
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  Exactly. Exactly.
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  You know, near me, another sort of design, that's just been sort
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  of one-off that still is in the consciousness of the fans that
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  we would instantly know what it is when you see well.
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  And, you know, they put quarks in one of the latest big finish,
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  unit sets, right? And the trailer came on and I'm
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  sitting across the table from Mark.
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  And the second that Quark sound effect was in the trailer is no
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  eyes lit up like and you know, I really something resonates.
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  Absolutely. So, you know whether your love
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  it, like are they why you think it's a little bit boring in one
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  of the worst stories ever made in?
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  You're completely wrong like Jason Miller, you can't deny, we
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  currently can't deny that this story in Jews.
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  Well and you know what? I think it was with me.
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  I promise you will watch out so far.
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  For the Dominator. One point is, I don't know.
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  I gave it a chance. I think I watched it.
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  Yeah, I said this ain't no good. I'd already heard all the fan
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  wisdom about it. Yeah.
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  And then I do and then through people like you and marks done
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  it with me with like Battlefield to watch.
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  Who's done it with me with things like the space museum.
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  Things are just completely written off that.
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  You know what? I'm not going to say these are
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  all, conquering Classics. These are stories are enjoying
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  now, because I've taken the time to study them Well, I'd like to
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  think someone else had a little hand in the space museum as
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  well. Yeah, with it was early days and
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  you know it was early days, honestly back then there was a
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  few pauses. Now I can't get it.
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  Shut up this way and this is it so.
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  So sorry that's people occupy them on this video and tell him
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  to shut up. Do and Fraser should we watch
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  episode 4? Let's watch episode 4.
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  And I'll probably need to kind of catch up with a plot because
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  I'm out of the loop right there. You're going to count in.
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  Yes, I will in five. Five, four three two, will you
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  behave? Quickie one off we go.
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  He's a very Lively Quakers in here is the eval but he's good
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  company in the longer lonely. Evenings, you know, we sit there
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  was a dominate is together. He sits there lamenting the loss
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  of his Smoky friend in the Quarry.
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  Yep. Maybe he's it's gonna get a lot
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  worse with them than I thought. But I did notice some Kali
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  holding a gun towards. In the and because, obviously,
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  they're not trained all anymore. They don't have the skill go.
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  So he shitty far as a rock off ink.
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  Well, no, because Jimmy comes in and stop some shooting because
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  it's always there. So we stopped him but then I
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  think he does blow one up in. This is why I don't like green
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  on two of us face. And this is why they've now
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  destroying the I need to see him again the second time.
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  It's, it's, it's a little bit. This is where you see actually
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  is the plot actually going anywhere because the Cliffhanger
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  episode 2 is the quacks, shelling the museum with people
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  inside. And the Cliffhanger episode 3 is
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  the clocks shell in the museum with people inside.
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  So if you're to Cliffhangers, are exactly the same hole for
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  has your plot, actually advanced in the meantime, probably not a
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  lot, not a lot. But you know what?
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  We'll have. I've had is we've had those bits
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  where you know, the they've got the council around the the
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  Dawson's are my look at that. What's that look that look.
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  But from Ronald Allen in Kenneth Ives this, he's just your eyes
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  are bulging and he's absolutely Stone either.
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  You know, before Mark and I are very first kiss, you know, I
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  think we were looking at each other like that kind of trying
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  to restrain ourselves. There is a bit of tension
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  between these two. All right.
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  Oh, the word. Absolute power couple, aren't
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  they? Yeah, you know, and Would you
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  say that the first Power couple? Well Gabe, how come definitely?
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  What about Clinton Penny and Ice Warriors?
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  Flashy there is The Edge and I want this and sobbing sizzling
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  under the surface there. You know, there's I think a lot
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  of people read that as a nation. She goes from with his, kinda
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  need your one point he gets so angry.
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  Yeah. And it's a triangle between
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  Penney store and Clint I'm Marcy gesture, that's a little more.
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  Nuance than this though. You know it's more subtle.
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  Yes, I do not. I don't know.
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  Then you could probably make a reading you know the power
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  dynamics in a toxic couple and this pair.
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  Yeah. How they're trying our best each
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  other? How one's kind of in control and
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  he's I mean this is the scene look on snow was Again, he's
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  terminal strip of them but he's not looking at him.
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  He's not even look at him in the face.
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  I think it's more acting Choice than a costume Choice.
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  Yeah, let me just turn a costume.
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  So I see you're all right, though.
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  But again, we've got a lovely set.
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  You've got Star Charts on the back wall where you've got dip
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  this well yeah, the court there and the doctor and Zoe and then
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  the chart behind them. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's great.
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  Absolutely. This is it.
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  It's me. But yeah, this is what I thought
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  was an x 45 must be before but we're that's right.
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  He's threatening to talk to Talk to the superiors isn't?
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  Yeah, well, fine, if you're not gonna do what I want.
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  I'm going to go over your head on.
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  Look at these fear that this gun is the only time you see him
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  smile is. When he's actually now he's
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  looking at him because here's the threatened him.
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  It's the only time I see him smiling, the whole thing is when
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  he's actually There's something a bit lizard-like about that
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  smile. As an are bears.
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  Yeah, like a snake that's about to pounce Oh, this is it.
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  And you know what are all the music swells up in this as well?
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  It's properly tends. The quarks torn between the two
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  and the court actually goes back.
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  You know, me, you're the superior son would understand
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  that you. What can I say something about
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  the course right now? You might think I'm absolutely
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  mad. But when you see one of them
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  flailing about on the floor or when you see him there between
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  the power, couple unsure, which I feel empathy for that box.
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  Now that's a skill. Just made me feel for.
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  What is it? You do third looking as a quark
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  but this is no. This is the the skull of a good
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  monster that you don't feel anything for the Daleks when
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  they blow up other than satisfaction.
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  But you know, you don't feel anything other than pity for say
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  k 1 robot or anything like that, you know.
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  But it's it is possible to personify these monsters you
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  know and to to give them like characteristics that You can
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  feel for definitely, it takes a little work.
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  And again, I think I've really seen that before either.
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  I'll feed again before a Korg how far you've come the profound
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  effect. You have on me, honest like
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  that. Lan Zhu.
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  I love that that set as well made out of the hexagons.
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  It's so clever because they keep blowing the shit out of it.
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  So more of it can be taken away, but it's a set that can be sort
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  of dismantled a bit. At a time.
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  Yeah. And it's clever as well because
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  it's a conscious design choice to make hexagonal bricks.
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  So yeah, so, you know, we, we have rectangular bricks in our
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  world. So we build houses over
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  rectangle, books in this one, they've built hexagonal bricks
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  and built. It's just a bit that's basis.
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  What's underneath all that Rubble?
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  This is the bunker. This is the secret bunker.
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  Now what is it to escape way from sort of nuclear waste.
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  Yeah, it's like the nuclear nuclear bunker so the ver the
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  managed to find find the way down here, but now the trapped
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  and there's one out. This poor little set though.
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  It's just a ladder and a bit but then, why'd ya?
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  We're in F so for the money's a little bit tired, you know.
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  Yeah, this couple sweaty color in it.
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  Let's talk about Jimmy, okay? Because I think this is a really
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  good episode for Jimmy what episode or story store.
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  Sorry, it's uh, it's an absolutely fantastic.
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  Is it? Because it gets to show him as a
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  warrior with tactics and it's shows.
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  Mm, and doing a bit more than what you usually does.
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  I think, you know, James is Comic stick.
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  Yeah. Jimmy is very much sort of the
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  person that the plot happens to, you know, he's the one, you
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  know, gets given a task because it suits his, you know,
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  particular set of skills. Whatever, for example, blown up
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  quarks or that, but And obviously, we'll have the scene
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  in episode 2 where he has to act as Jupiter.
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  The doctors Lake just stupid gym if you think you can do that or
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  guy, you know so you got three that few times you know what
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  that's like but there's two good moment here where I Jamie's.
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  The one that actually comes to the realization of something.
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  You know there's the bit of the end up with discussed where the
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  lavas coming in and music dr. The yeah we're going to get all
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  and I have to go but there's also the bit in there. shuttle
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  where the doctors you can use jelly babies and Jamie's like,
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  well actually we're going to land there and is going to be
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  full of You know, dominate as in quarks and that really where we
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  want to go, which leads them to the hole.
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  Oh my giddy aunt in you know pulling the the way without
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  serving crushed the shuttle so that is that Jamie doing that.
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  Jamie you know, showing some smart for once and I think in
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  this entire episode he is trying to sort of Outfox both of the
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  dominators and the course, because the doctor and Zoey are
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  being held captive. Yeah, so he's trying to find a
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  way in he's trying to use the resources.
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  They've got exit, but you compare it to the Rest of the
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  season, he's not in the Invasion Episode.
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  I do humans are we I think just turn a wheel at the end of the
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  Seas of death. That's changed the weather but
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  they don't really do anything else.
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  He's barely in the space pirates.
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  Episode 6 know your jobs are representing Jamie.
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  This is the city. This is really good.
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  If you want to see a picture me a really good episode with that
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  Rose highlights. Jamie this is the for saying
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  this so Zoe there are much better chance.
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  Sister Zoe later in the season. Okay, no, I think there's
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  there's really good bits for Zoey in here as well.
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  This probably, I think like the obvious ones, the croutons where
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  it's a lot more written with with Zoe mine.
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  You know that. But you know what?
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  This is this, this characterizes.
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  Jamie has been smart. Yeah.
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  Whereas the protons characterizes Jamie as a bit of
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  a dunce us the point is they staffed.
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  So he is literally you, do you Jamie?
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  He's Superfluous to the plot because we needed.
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  Clever people. Yeah, you know, too.
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  To get the plot moving with getting the court finds out of
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  the bus and you know then defeating them and at the end
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  sort of thing. But this one reorder the where
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  he does go full-on die hard and later on with him and cuddly
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  with the little grenade tubes, you know, I'll get that's me,
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  deeply and we strengths. But so that the story does tap
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  into everything. Will, we would normally expect
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  from Jamie but gives them that extra bit of actually he's not
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  just a some Daft The Highlander. It's it's very low you know,
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  with the results you know people are wrote Lila.
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  Well we'll also the professor will have fixed weapons in fixed
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  position to guard the offenses. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yes. It's, it's Instinct and tactics
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  and yeah, you know all those things that would have had well
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  back in Culloden. Yeah, it's like until it.
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  You got intelligence with leader.
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  You know, she's just because she hasn't been to school or
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  anything doesn't mean she's not as Smart as anyone else in the
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  room and Jamie does have instincts.
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  But I just feel like as the series went along, he's kind of
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  played a bit contemporary, isn't he?
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  He's not really, it's not really a minute.
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  Yeah, historical Warrior anymore.
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  It's, it always makes us laugh. But it's funny that, you know,
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  Katarina was written out after five episodes because the
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  thought, oh well this doesn't work.
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  I'll get this to work. We can't worker, you know,
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  Trojan slave girl. Traveling through space in one
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  up, but then, you know, the next season, Jamie comes along, who's
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  a Highlander from the 1700s and actually that's not an issue.
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  You know, Victoria comes along because that's not an issue Lila
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  comes on. That's not an issue.
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  It's down to the rating. It's like if you're saying that
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  you can't get this character at work, I'm sorry.
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  That's not fault of the character that for me is the
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  fault of your rain, Sweet Surprises me, you know that
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  Moffat, went out of the governess in series 7.
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  I think that would have been really interesting.
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  It would have been, I know, I know it would have robbed
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  challenges. It wouldn't do unless, you know,
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  stories in series Sigma, BJ leaders, are there at all these
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  Cold War, things like that. But wanna be interesting.
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  You know, you watched like underwater Menace, which is the
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  first one after the Highlanders and how quickly it's dismiss
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  that Jamie as is, come on board, you watch.
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  Take tumors how you and how quickly Victoria just to be on
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  board. It's not an issue.
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  You know, even even Tegan, you know, Tegan goes from, you know.
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  Stumbling in the Tardis hoorah. What she sees in lock up a list
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  to cast revolver, where all of a sudden she's down with
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  regeneration, she's down with flies flying to Doomsday and in
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  Castro Valley over. Yeah, exactly.
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  So she's having a bit of a break down whilst doing it in both
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  times but yeah that's all part of the fun.
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  Hell of an acting Choice. I'll tell you Hey guys.
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  Look a scientific should attack the quarks.
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  Yeah. Yeah, go on January, you know,
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  is episode 5 of this did Terrance dicks.
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  The episode 5 and check or was it Derrick show was done by
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  Sherwin. So what happened?
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  I do think, you know, the pace suddenly picks up incredibly in
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  five. Well, what happened was
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  obviously moving his when Andrew Lincoln had there.
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  All five and six plotted out and what I'm breaking it and and do
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  appear. When looking into said look,
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  this isn't this isn't happening. There's just not enough in here
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  to to go for 26 episodes and rather than try and he just
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  said, right? We'll, we'll cut it down to five
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  will give the extra episode of the Mind Rubber and and I'll
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  just rewrite from what you've got, what you've given is I'll
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  just squish 5 and 6 together, essentially in, you know, I
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  actually I was, I was a terrible choice.
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  I think it was a good choice. It does.
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  I remember when I lost my watch is through.
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  I was like, wow, this is really picked up.
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  Yeah. The last episode, I think it
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  wouldn't be a bad choice if the decision had been made earlier
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  in the production. If it said, well actually, I'm
• 18:02
  going to turn three and four into one episode and have them
• 18:07
  make five and six or, you know, do it a bit more because what
• 18:11
  you do is you do have episode 3 where Legacy would not 100% sure
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  that the plotter gone anywhere. Yeah.
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  But You know, you then get the webisode 5 where all of a
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  sudden, everything happens and you have this, the sense where
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  wouldn't have waited waited waited.
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  Cause we don't know what the plan is.
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  Now, we're not. The plan is then we'll come up
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  with a way to defeat it, and we do that in about two minutes
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  flat. So generally haven't done too
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  quickly. If you have an extra episode,
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  you could have had the sequence where the doctor finally
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  convinces, the dulcian has to go on the attack and then you could
• 18:43
  have had them all coming over the hill like Blackadder in
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  there. In their fabulous, shower
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  curtains going up. Walks World in Red Dwarf and
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  watching them all. Get gum down or Gandy.
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  Around Jamie speed. Oh good.
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  I'll just say it because this is the biggest Boulder that you see
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  shifted and he's clearly a big bit of Jabba like going down,
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  there it is, but there's some fantastic.
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  The heavy Rock lifting acting going on in this story.
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  Look at that actin with a cork line on his butt on the stage.
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  Ricky don't you look a little my pretty soon as I think everyone
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  light left or do they all go out eventually you know why it was
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  Attending he just fell over on his side because he knew he
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  wasn't going to end well. Hey, it's Mark Wiki, I'm telling
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  you. Oh, the doctor put his hands to
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  get from when there's only one person who's had strong enough
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  to do all this. It's Jamie question on the
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  tweets, I did. But I just want to keep talking
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  about this scene here because this is where the doctor and and
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  so you're talking about What powers the dominators ship?
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  So there they are. The dominance of left of went
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  off, because the Cross Beam attacks, and now we're left
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  alone. So we're going around.
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  And it's always like, oh well it must draw its power.
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  From must gives a lot of technobabble.
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  In the doctor stanza goes. Yes, it was really must be very
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  powerful. It's like well that's what I
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  said and she realizes that he's just teasing her, you know, and
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  it's a lovely dynamic between the two and that's what I like
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  about this. This particular team as you have
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  those those Dynamics you Of the doctor and Jamie here while just
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  the best of friends. Yeah, but it's the ultimate
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  Bromance. There's never been one like it
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  again. I mean, you know, you talk about
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  the first Power, couple Doctor Who it is Patrick, groaning
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  officer Haynes, Mason tangibly mode.
• 21:02
  You know what? I'm going to say.
• 21:03
  I think Smith and offer darvill. Yeah, they're closed.
• 21:08
  They are very close. Yeah, at least, you get to kiss
• 21:10
  outrun. Doesn't he is hot as hell.
• 21:13
  So I got sample. You have that Dynamic of But
• 21:17
  then you have a completely different one with the doctor
• 21:19
  and Zoey because I've always been taught that.
• 21:22
  If isn't it? Well, it's always a lot more
• 21:24
  equal in him to him. In terms of intelligence, we
• 21:27
  could have a different conversation, you couldn't have
• 21:28
  like a conversation about power units with with GM.
• 21:32
  If it was Jim, Ian of it was like the doctor and Victoria in
• 21:36
  this Scene, It would have to play out a lot differently.
• 21:38
  It would have to be the doctor, Exposition a nut You know, that
• 21:44
  companion, where's you get? The the exposition is sort of
• 21:47
  leveled out, and it's backwards and 4th scale degree all chart
• 21:51
  that trown loved it and they are great at all.
• 21:54
  William Arlo needed. Someone is coming deal with all
• 21:56
  that technobabble and he can just come in at the end of the
• 21:58
  war. Yes.
• 21:59
  Quite, you know exactly what have.
• 22:02
  Yeah, that would have been really wouldn't know the first
• 22:05
  it was occurring. I've just saw the doctor saying
• 22:07
  that there was sucking the energy if they are.
• 22:10
  They basically Gonna Leave the planet, a dry out.
• 22:13
  Ask. So what the plan is is they're
• 22:14
  going to the don't know why the drillin what the endgame for the
• 22:18
  dominant, is this sort of kind of figured out that the
• 22:20
  dominators run on radiation? And that's why there's no
• 22:23
  radiation left on that island. It was massively reactive until
• 22:26
  they landed, it's all gone into that.
• 22:27
  Their big battery yet its charge quickly.
• 22:31
  That's right. Really quickly.
• 22:32
  So now the figure that they start to figure out what's going
• 22:35
  on. But are we go?
• 22:38
  Yeah, but it's just stormed into the council chamber.
• 22:41
  Yep. Without his appointment as he
• 22:43
  faces. Yeah.
• 22:45
  He's like that, that live. Do you have an appointment?
• 22:51
  If you make an appointment, the correct procedure.
• 22:53
  Another that does he just makes you just walks in and enslaves
• 22:58
  them. Doesn't he really?
• 23:00
  I must protest. Test.
• 23:01
  Yeah, you useless Bunch, honestly.
• 23:05
  Defy me. They nominated a dominator to
• 23:09
  storm Parliament. Now, you know I don't think I do
• 23:12
  us any harm. Certainly wouldn't do any worse.
• 23:15
  Would Oh, I don't know if he has enjoyed himself a bit again.
• 23:21
  Is absolutely. He's got, it's all in the eyes,
• 23:24
  you know. Next, he's got that really heavy
• 23:25
  makeup on him but he's he goes your leader means nothing to me.
• 23:29
  The only thing that's important is the superior force of the
• 23:32
  dominators, it's like, it's what was, what is it called?
• 23:37
  Jackie Jack law on the zoom meeting.
• 23:43
  What was that? The coating of the zoom council
• 23:45
  meeting that went very well You are.
• 23:49
  Yes. Oh that was brilliant.
• 23:51
  Wasn't it? Yeah, Corner was a pseudonym
• 23:53
  tracheae. Our current Babushka remember
• 23:55
  what she went viral in a day if you did.
• 23:57
  And she was kicking about this as and Brian cunts playing that
• 24:00
  character. Yeah except in this version the
• 24:04
  the angry Council. I just that Ryan Clark is Jackie
• 24:08
  from the council. Yeah.
• 24:17
  Yes, I don't get better with a cork about, you know, who
• 24:28
  directed this. It's, this is Morris.
• 24:32
  Bear Roxbury, is directed the moon base and Tomb of the
• 24:35
  Cybermen. And he gets slated for this,
• 24:38
  because this is the only one, the other two.
• 24:41
  I mean, I wasn't able to do have very memorable and impressive
• 24:44
  imagery assignment. So many across the In coming out
• 24:47
  of the tombs. Yeah but I mean I think we need
• 24:51
  to highlight the direction a little bit because the angles
• 24:55
  he's picking for the close-ups. Yeah he's got the shooting Raga
• 24:59
  From Below in close-up and then you shooting the director from
• 25:02
  slightly above? See you're getting that sense of
• 25:05
  one its towering above the other.
• 25:08
  You know, that this no one is more Superior than the other
• 25:11
  that's really coming across. While he's he's like say is
• 25:14
  there's quite a few tracking shots which have been
• 25:16
  impressive. And that saying we highlight in
• 25:18
  F. So for between Rago and towbar,
• 25:21
  the suspense of that same does not happen by accident.
• 25:24
  No, no, it happens because it's one it's very well actually.
• 25:28
  But to is very well directive. Yeah, you know what that scene?
• 25:31
  Whether there were arguing, but you heard Zoe the doctor and the
• 25:36
  clock in the background as well. So, the Freeman OV shocks is for
• 25:39
  the comedy to work in episode 2. Yeah, you have to film that very
• 25:44
  comedy. Can go off a cliff.
• 25:46
  We've talked about this before. Yeah, that's very funny.
• 25:49
  Yeah, I think yeah, maybe he's out.
• 25:51
  Apparently, he was a director of the old school and he wouldn't
• 25:54
  budge, that's what Frazier. Hi and says yeah, if he marked
• 25:57
  out his sets, yeah, you would not budge if he marked out where
• 26:01
  the axes were going to go and they wanted to improvise, he
• 26:04
  wouldn't have any of it. But remember, he's the one that
• 26:07
  brought round into line trout and what is the goofing clown
• 26:10
  his way through the moon base? Maurice Perry said I'm not
• 26:14
  having it or so this script is serious, you take.
• 26:17
  Take it seriously. Yeah, and he did it.
• 26:19
  No, he's someone finally stood up to him.
• 26:22
  Yeah, also, you know as a side note he did turn up as one of
• 26:26
  the attendants in Creature from the pit.
• 26:29
  The one that didn't get from down the pit yet but hid himself
• 26:32
  away in his cow. He's very, very funny.
• 26:37
  Yeah. Now he's I think he's
• 26:41
  underrated. I think it's easy to kind of
• 26:43
  dismiss him next to some of the others.
• 26:46
  Yeah, because we're getting a lot of good people coming out to
• 26:49
  see what we've got. Your favorite will become
• 26:51
  filled, but you've got Michael Ferguson, my favorite Martinez.
• 26:55
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw the ice Warriors is
• 26:58
  extremely well, directed. I think solutely, they've got
• 27:00
  that sequence, where Victoria's being menaced for all that
• 27:03
  Bloody fake snow. Yeah, it looks fantastic does.
• 27:09
  Here we go from the doctors in explaining the plot now.
• 27:12
  Yeah. So we're gonna come to make them
• 27:13
  are at the core of the planet, be radioactive.
• 27:17
  Yeah. So the three of them, the three
• 27:19
  sort of scientists are putting together the, the plot, you
• 27:22
  know, if I sort of four episodes of don't really know what
• 27:25
  they're doing to know the mystery starting to and it's a
• 27:29
  nice thing as well because they're not trying to invade the
• 27:33
  planet which is yeah, Hayley this tend to do it just want a
• 27:36
  resource. I'll even though my Mine is a
• 27:39
  bit of a cliche at this point in science fiction.
• 27:44
  But so this is a two-fold thing here, they don't stop the one.
• 27:47
  The dog sins will be wiped out what a shame.
• 27:51
  And to this battle Fleet will be able to tear through the
• 27:55
  universe dominating other planets prominent in
• 27:59
  willy-nilly. Yes.
• 28:00
  I mean, I don't know if the stakes have ever been this out.
• 28:03
  Oh no, no no, no. Oh, it's got a smoky back after
• 28:08
  that's quickie. It's done that.
• 28:13
  Still playing dead in the Quarry.
• 28:15
  He was so cute but but all he has done for the last two
• 28:19
  episodes is pick up. Polystyrene rocks, That's a
• 28:25
  classic game Trail of the time. Lord Cliffhanger.
• 28:28
  That know I think Ashley. That's really it's a slow pan in
• 28:33
  on travel. Yeah, it's not right up his nose
• 28:35
  like Colin Baker, what? It's that same sort of thing,
• 28:37
  isn't the only Zoo Min on closeup on Doctor.
• 28:40
  Looking worried, but cross practice Trenton can sell it,
• 28:44
  because of what we talked about the way the whole visually
• 28:47
  expressively as in. Not that column big I was in but
• 28:55
  no, they're calling, baking can be extremely expressive.
• 28:58
  What are you talking about? And that's just his outfit.
• 29:01
  Okay, we're all right. Okay.
• 29:02
  So are you ready for one more installment of the cookie
• 29:05
  Adventures? Before we do that, we have got a
• 29:08
  question. That was said, we're going to
• 29:09
  answer. I'll go on, which has come from
• 29:13
  friend of the podcast. Jewel, short, hello.
• 29:17
  Hello. Who asks, who would win in a
• 29:20
  fight between quickie and Quark from DS9, I love you.
• 29:29
  Ha ha, ha. I think it would be cool from
• 29:35
  DS9 even out. Yeah, because he's quite devious
• 29:39
  and he'd be able to scramble with logic circuits if I talk
• 29:43
  about him a lot. Yeah, I think quarks probably
• 29:47
  got a bit more maneuverability so he's got that took out the
• 29:53
  way a little Below a quickie shot him, could you imagine the
• 29:55
  smell of that burnt latex as his face melted?
• 29:57
  Oh, it will be Grim. But I think quite would have one
• 30:00
  eye on the latinum you'd be like, or what can I do?
• 30:02
  How can a strip this down for pot and flog it?
• 30:06
  That's a great question. Sorry frickin.
• 30:09
  What's that? What's that?
• 30:12
  Oh dear, did you hear that? He said all specimens have
• 30:16
  reached a point of collapse. Oh, dear.
• 30:18
  My will with four episodes into the dominators.
• 30:20
  That's why quickie honestly did you have any Question sir.
• 30:24
  Nope. That was the only one, man.
• 30:26
  People are letting us down my You did.
• 30:27
  Leave it a bit late. We'd already done two episodes
• 30:30
  of the commentary by the time you put that out.
• 30:32
  Yeah, okay. Well cook he's here and he's
• 30:35
  just having a little bubble in my ear right now and it's been a
• 30:41
  great honor for you quickly, obviously.
• 30:43
  So he would like me to tell you that it was his great honor to
• 30:49
  be the representation of the cork race at the second.
• 30:53
  Doctors trial was that quickie. That was quickie.
• 30:56
  Yes and he said he did a fabulous little turn.
• 30:59
  I don't know if you saw the clip but he's not doing a little
• 31:02
  dance around the studio. This is one big moment, really
• 31:06
  said he won't get another the close-ups in this thing lesson.
• 31:09
  So in every win the war games, it was having a great time.
• 31:13
  They are than how much I can keep this guy going.
• 31:15
  Just one more way you can do it. Okay, it's let's should we pop
• 31:29
  off into the climax of this thing.
• 31:31
  I don't know what I thought that the end of the episode, was the
• 31:33
  doctor running with the bomb. That's the end of episode four.
• 31:37
  Five, even So do the backside 5 is the explosion of the.
• 31:44
  Yeah, that's where it comes. What?
• 31:47
  What he's running with the ball. Yeah.
• 31:49
  And up to 5, if I thought it was a cliffhanger?
• 31:52
  No it's not. No.
• 31:55
  Sorry. I haven't washed this my very
• 31:56
  much have I. Okay well then let's go and
• 31:59
  correct. My poor memory immediately.
• 32:02
  Let's do that. So you end up sort of 5 boom.
• 32:05
  boom.