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Jesus Centered Competitiveness, Trinidad Chambliss & Caleb Williams. · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: All right, what's up, people?
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to PTR Pastor Rock Real Talk, where we talk about faith, basketball, culture, obviously Jesus, and how to integrate him into our life every day.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm Lawrence.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll be with my boy B D aka Brian Daly.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get into it.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hell dope.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, the first intro.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's nice and smooth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's go, BD.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, good to see you, homie.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: As always.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh hey, let's start off with a prayer.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Can I jump it off and then you close out?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds good.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it, bro.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, God, love you so much.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for this time to be my boy Brian.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for those who are listening, God.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just pray to open our minds, open our hearts, open our souls, God, to help us to be more like you.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, God, I just uh pray, give us some truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: In Jesus' name I pray, amen.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so speaking of truth, man, you gotta be honest with this next question I got for you, Mr.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: Brian Daly.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: What was your pregame hype song?
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so obviously, man, you and I both love music.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: So ton of songs, but but uh in junior college, I had one go-to song before every game, and uh you're gonna laugh, and that's all right.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, my go-to song before every game was Isaac Hayes, The Look of Love.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Isaac Hayes, okay.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know that song.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's like the look of love is in your eyes, kind of like that.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: Keep going, bro.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Keep going, don't stop.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I got.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: But do you remember Dead President's movie?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: I do, yes.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so it was on that soundtrack.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and then uh I you know I love that genre of music, and so basically it was like 12, it's a 12-minute song, and the first five minutes he does the singing, and then the last seven minutes are like the band just they played just straight instrumental guitar riffs, like they're going nuts.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so, what I would do is visualize the game the first five minutes, and then I would pray the last seven minutes.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: But that was like my I'm dialed in, I'm not talking to anybody, my eyes are closed, and so I would pray to look of love by Isaac Hayes, and then let's go.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Go out and kill.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: What about it in Mizzou?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or when you play Pro?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a good question, bro.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: That that era, Kanye had just come out, man.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: He had just he was like nothing we had ever seen produced.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: He talked about Jesus, so it wasn't, you know, it wasn't perfect stuff, but I think I was it was right when the iPod dropped.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: iPod, and so I said I think I got one for Christmas and uh had all my music on the iPod, so it's probably like a Kanye mixtape.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool, man.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate that.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: I never knew that about Isaac Hayes.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, as far as that song that you listen to.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny because that's I guess Jordan used to listen to like Patty Labelle, just something that was just RB smooth because he didn't want to get too hype.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: So it's cool.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: You and MJ similar, bro.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all right.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: How about you, man?
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: Cameron diplomats or man, that is hey, the Cameron Diplomats, when they came out, that was pretty that was uh that was a pretty hot album, man.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: So same was crazy.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: The instrumental and um W the Clean version, yeah.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta be careful when you get too hype, you know.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: You may say, you know, may think some words, but but yeah, they their stuff was pretty incredible.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, man.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: So but before I became a Christian, you know, it was some pretty intense stuff.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't become I be I got I didn't get to be a Christian while I played college sports, so a lot of stuff was I wish I would have done things that you did.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, go ahead.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's funny now because uh I see different podcasts out there, and Cameron and Mace have a podcast.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: They do, I love it, and so Mace is like a preacher.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and Cameron is not, but they make fun of each other's old lyrics sometimes.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love it, and so it's funny because I think that was that was one of the great it probably is still a challenge.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like um, you know, like some the the production can be so great, yes, and then you you you start listening to lyrics, you're like, oh, okay, and it's almost like you can program yourself, and so you know, Sam, our our good friend Sam talks about listening to music with a discerning ear.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I mean I bet so we got the weekends coming up, I bet 75% of college football stadiums will play the song Mo Bamba.
• 4:40
  unknown: Oh, yeah.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that's you're like, you know, the chant.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, wait, what do you think?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's kids over here.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a grandma.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I mean, it continues to be a challenge.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's so true, man.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: There, I can't remember the song.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: The other day, I was listening to something to get hype, and they used God's name in vain, and I was like, Man, you just ruined the song.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: I can't listen to this no more.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, there's yeah, I wish some of these artists, man, would just, you know, watch their language.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, I guess, real quick, if you don't want me to ask them, we didn't plan this.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, why is profanity such um a negative thing for Christians?
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so you know, like playing basketball court, sure, you talking trash or you get upset, you want to use profanity.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Why is using profanity such a negative thing?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a good one.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think um it's interesting because Lawrence, you know, we we study the Bible with people, we've been studying the Bible people with people for a long time, and a lot of times we'll study out different sin and language comes up.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think we know it, we know, okay, Christians probably shouldn't curse.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: But then you might see people that you think are Christian that just curse, or um, you know, and you start questioning like, is it okay to curse?
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Does it matter?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: Does God care?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, is it really the same level of other sins?
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, I could just say from my experience, what really convicted me is the book of James.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's this part in James where it talks about um, should we should we praise God with the same mouth that curses I think people or God?
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so that was enough for me to be like, all right, I gotta stop.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh, you know, to be to be real, I cut out like F-word, you know, I definitely wasn't gonna say God with a curse word after that.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna use his name in vain.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I started kind of speaking up like if someone missed a jumper and they did that, I'd be like, it's not his fault, don't get mad at him.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but what convicted me was I was doing a Bible study in Missouri with one of my teammates, and so I cut out like major curse words, but I still sometimes would say um uh other curse words that might not be viewed as bad.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we we cover cursing in a in a study, and he's like, Well, how come Brian uses this word?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Okay, that right there is enough.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, uh I don't want to play with it, yeah.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I to me that principle comes back to James.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, just if I want to have a mouth that praises God, I shouldn't have a mouth that mouth that curses as well.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's good, man.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's there's something about discipline, self-control, and there's something about the power of words that when we say it, what it does to our minds, our souls, how it impacts other people, our words have more power than we realize.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna read that uh verse that you mentioned real quick, and then let's go to the next topic.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it says in James um chapter three, uh, verse nine, it says, With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings who have been made in God's likeness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing, my brothers and sisters.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: This should not be.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Can all fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?
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  SPEAKER_01: My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives or a grape vine bear figs?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: So there it is, you know.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um out of the same mouth, how can you praise God and curse somebody?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: But then I love what James says.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Another layer deeper is hey, there's some it it reflects what's inside of you.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how can a salt salt water and freshwater is two complete different things?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: A person with a pure heart wouldn't drop MFs or GDs all the time, right?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, yeah, amen, bro.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that is that is something we got to talk about, think about, and not just music, movies, you know, some of my favorite movies.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you're gonna look at the movie and say, Man, it's not the most godly movie.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mean, Godfather is my favorite movie of all time.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then, you know, at the same time in the Bible, there's there is violence, there is crazy things.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's not necessarily saying to do those things, it's not teaching, but it teaches what happens when when those things do occur.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I think, you know, having a discerning ear and eye, um, because even to this day, you I could hear five seconds of a beat, it could bring back some great memories.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so I need to think about okay, what are the words before and after?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: What is the point um of the song?
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, at the end of the day, like you said, is is be radical, cut it out, have conviction because it doesn't just affect us.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's we got we got people with us it could affect.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and I want to make a quick point here.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, cancer is a nasty drug, you know, uh disease, don't want anybody to have it.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: But if someone were to have cancer and a surgeon was like, hey, we'll just take out 90% of it, we'll just keep a little bit in there, you know.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: He'd be like, No, doc, are you crazy?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we'll just keep three percent in there.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, nobody would want that if my mother or my wife, God forbid that would ever happen.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say, doc, get it all out.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: So for the listeners out there that maybe feel like it's not that big of a deal, we just keep one word in there.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, nah, like, why have any of it?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Why not be excellent in the most uh in the in the highest level?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, and bro, I praise God for instrumentals.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, like you talked about.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Praise God for instrumentals, also that production's gotten a lot better than when we were coming up, some of the Christian hip hop, Christian music, the production was tough, it was rough, very rough.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's gotten a lot better.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, there's one song I wanted to play for you to hear it.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I can play it on it.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Should I just play it over the phone, like on this mic?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe try it.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, it got me so hype and made me want to start hooping.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, the beat is crazy.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's by Jackie Hill Perry.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Clean.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, dang.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Beat lyrics, amazing.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Man, you gotta send that to me.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: See, I I love that.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's grown.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's become it's bigger.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the young, young dudes, like guys in my campus ministry, they're sending me their playlists.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I've never heard of these guys.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: We got some young guys coming up.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them don't rhyme their words very well, but no, they don't.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: But the cadence, like, I hear what you're doing, you know.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, but I just I love that feeling, man.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, amen.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so, hey, at some point, let's talk about that.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, that feeling that music like that produces in us.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what is that and why we shouldn't run from that or shy from that feeling of I want to conquer, I want to win.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we can talk about it today.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, I at some point I would love to explore that.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, love it.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so bro, you wanted uh Trinidad Chambliss.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to say that.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is that how you say his name?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably butchering it or saying it with a country accent.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's Chambliss.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Trinidad Chambliss.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: But um, so my son is really into college football.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: So he's telling me all week LSU against Ole Miss.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so I don't know if you follow either of those programs, L.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Lanecliffe and left Ole Miss to go to LSU, so yeah, huge robbery game.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he's kind of like, I don't know.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've watched some interviews with him, but he loves attention.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: He he's you know stirring the pot, bringing back NFL guys, stuff like that, or tried to.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, he he had a lot of success there.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Trinidad was his quarterback, but basically it was a great game.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Ole Miss was um Ole Miss was up, LSU came back, Ole Miss won.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: So after the game, they interviewed Trinidad, and he had 363 passing yards, two touchdowns, um, and rushed for a touchdown.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: So three touchdowns.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Balled out in the interview, he's like poised, he is uh spiritual, he thanks God, he's confident, and he's like almost in character, like a mature young man, you know, positive interview.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end of it, he goes, Hottie blanking toddy, and he's like and just left.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: So he's cursed on on live TV after praising God.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so so that's the story.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: So then um, you know, I was watching it, I'm like, I look at Luca like, dang, you know, that kind of sucked because praise God, and then literally cursed.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, literally the scripture we talked about.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: So then after the game press conference, and he shows up.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see if I get the right picture up here, L.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, take your time.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize Chem Bliss, whatever, played for Lane Kiffin.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, okay, that adds another layer to that story.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right, yes, yeah, he did, and so he shows up to the press conference wearing this shirt, L.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: It says, Jesus won.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh okay, but in the press conference, he totally owned it.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, like, that's not who I am.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: I apologize for my actions, I shouldn't have done that.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the day, I'm thinking, like, if that was my son, I think he I think he owned, he took a loss.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: So he won.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Then he took a major loss because he totally ruined, like, trying to praise Jesus.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but then he really owned it.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so now I'm kind of like, I'm gonna follow this kid.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see what he does, I want to see how he lives his life because you know it's one thing to praise God on the platform with the mic, but are you gonna be humble without the mic?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Are you gonna be humble in how you live your life?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so it makes me wonder like, okay, he said that he owned it, he apologized.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder what he's like off the field.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, man, I did I now I understand.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: I saw a post of that and I didn't understand it.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was just a t-shirt, but now it makes way more sense.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: And to your point, which I love even more too, is that here is this stud kid who beat LSU, comeback win.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's the game that everyone's talking about, probably SEC football too, but he's humbling himself to someone greater, you know, and it's and it's God, and so who else would he have to humble himself to?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying we're saying because they're having a bad attitude, but to God.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's super powerful that uh his conscience, his heart understands there's someone greater that I must humble myself to.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that yeah, wow.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm inspired.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he owned it, man.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I'll be praying for that dude.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I hope he does well uh spiritually on and off the field.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, um, and I hope it came from him, you know.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't text it, he didn't tweet it, he like he said it to the camera.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: He said, That's my bad, it's on me.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is cool, you know.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Only oh, yeah, only feedback if I was his mentor, I'd be like, hey man, like that was you, and it's okay to own that.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: To say, oh, that wasn't me.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was you.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: You said that, that came out of your heart.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay, own it.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let us love you and accept you for who you really are, but God will help you grow and change.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you want to apologize, but it's okay to we all mess up, and I gotta yeah, that's that is me.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, amen.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: And in conclusion, yeah, in conclusion, what what kind of quote is Hottie Tottdy, anyways?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of little that's is that what they say?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, man.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 45 now, man.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so removed from the youth culture right now.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: My kids get frustrated with me.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta check that out.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hottie totty.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Cool, man.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so hey, another news of sports.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's uh I wish we had a picture, but Caleb Williams, you know, bro, like um, you know, how we reacted getting hurt, and we're not minimizing a hamstring, man, that hurts.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've never played football at the high school level, college level, NFL, and I'm sure man, some in some intense situations, yeah.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I think everyone feels like it seemed like there was overreaction there.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think, B?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I heard someone on TV say uh every person that played like in the 2000s and the 90s was disrespected.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: They felt disrespected.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how dare you take a cart?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, how dare you cry?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, he's really good.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, our boy uh Darius Ferguson loves him.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he's really good.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I got to see him play in college, he was phenomenal, but um, yeah, I think it reminded me of just spiritually, L.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I know I can feel this way.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Is my life's so hard, things are so rough.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then if I don't get perspective on, you know, I think there's a couple things that can help with perspective.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, Caleb, it was like, okay, it hurts.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a hamstring strain, you'll be back in a few games.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, spiritually, it can be like, okay, this is really hard.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: This this sucks.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, what did the apostles go through?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, all based on the Fox's book of martyrs, all of them were martyred for their faith and tortured.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what are, I think this helps me too, is like outside of my life, outside of my community, outside of our country, what are Christians going through?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what persecutions are they facing?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: What health challenges are they facing?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so when I when I kind of go, you know, whoa, whoa is me, and this is really really tough, and man, my leg, and I'm crying, I'm like, hey, you know, it helps get not that those things we go through stuff, of course, yeah, health-wise, emotionally, spiritually, but I just think that perspective, remember what the apostles went through, who the people we read about in the Bible, and then having a perspective of our whole world, not just our community, can help with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, uh, what do you think?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like um it makes me wonder how do you know when you're um overreacting to a situation?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: What would you say?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: What comes out of someone's attitude or heart?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: What are some signs of like, oh, okay, yeah, you're going through hurt, but you're overreacting.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great question.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think if I um honestly, I think if I get angry and prideful and I don't I don't get out of it like I'm there.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, usually when I'm feeling something, or if I sin and I'm open and I pray, there's things I can do to deal with that.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but if I'm continually in a place where really the attention's on me, like I'm feeling bad for myself, or I feel like maybe God's being unfair, I feel like I'm entitled, then I think that's a bad sign.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, I appreciate that.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think uh yeah, I like when you said pride, if if I react in a way that I feel like I don't deserve this or I'm better than this, instead of being humble and accepting it.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Can I confess something real quick?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, it's okay.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now I love God, but I'm still me.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna be honest.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been married 16 years, May 909.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: So 17 years.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I've we're talking about profanity and bad language.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I've I probably cussed as a Christian maybe 12 times.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: 10 of those were as a married man.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I I think so.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not laughing, I'm just like, it's embarrassing.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: And dude, my wife and I, we had a little, we had this van that I that has a special place in my heart.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because I told myself I would never have a family van, but I got one.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so discussion came over should we sell it, should we keep it?
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: And man, I I lost my temper and I said a profanity word, not at her, but I said it about my car, my van that I love so much.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, so I think I was uh I hate to say it, Kayla Williams there.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I was so mad at this van that I lost control of my emotions.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I use a profane word.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's one way you can tell as well, man.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like you lose your temper, you lose control, you say things you never meant to say and you regret.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: So as I did Just last week.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: I had apologized to my wife and I called some of my friends and told them what I did.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I want to want to make the change, but I want to own it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just like that quarterback.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: I want to own it.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Amen, bro.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's relatable.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's real.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think if I I don't want to just sit here and be like, hey, thanks for confessing.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, let's move on.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, um, I think for me, what I can what I could share on that is I prayed for I've prayed for a lot of things, and God's blessed me with them.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when it comes to career, when it comes to coaching, um, we have a youth program out here, even this project, bro.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is a this is a result of prayer.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the fact like Lawrence, you taking your time out, putting your your heart and your brain into this.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like, you know, I've prayed for a lot of these things.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so grateful for them.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then at the same token, I can feel weighed down by the things that I prayed for that God did.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I feel like uh spoiled little brat sometimes, you know, just God has just blessed uh my life more than I could have imagined, really.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I let the blessing stress me out, and I go, why is this not enough?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: And got and I feel like God's like, dude, you prayed for this, you know.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I think, man, mine is I just can be like a spoiled brat, you know.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thanks for being open, man.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, we all face different challenges and it brings different things out of our hearts.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, just one thing I want to share too.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so glad we have this relationship, Brian.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: But whoever's listening, hopefully you have a friend or someone that you can be honest about, man.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Really things that you feel, or hey, when you do mess up, hey, I can talk to somebody about it.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because man, I think that's one of my favorite things in the Bible, James 5.16.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: I challenge anyone to go uh look at what that says.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's a powerful scripture, and I think it talks so much about relationships and needing people to help you when you need the most.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, man.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so yes, so be real, get someone to help you out, you know.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh so important.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, so then help me out here, then, bro.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so what does what should it look like then for Christians to compete?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like if Jesus was on the football field and got hurt, what do you think it'll look like?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, what does it look like for for Christians to compete?
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not sure about Jesus getting hurt on the field.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think I would just, you know, that's not the cross, but I see how he was during the cross.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think he would handle it humbly.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: And um I'm you know, if it was a cross, he would allow himself to go through that.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but in another situation, he may, you know, he may just endure and continue.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the question you asked, I really I've wrestled with that a lot as a player, as a coach.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it was one of my first questions.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then I think it's a never-ending journey, really, to figure that out.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I used to ask um our football teams all the time.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh at the at Wazoo, I served as chaplain, and I would say, what would it look like if Jesus played football?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, I think he played with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think he would be the first one, knock someone down, pick them up.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, but but I'm always like, okay, our brains are what's the scripture?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Where can I go on the scripture?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so in my theology classes, you know, there's been a lot of authors that say sports should not be played because they're legitimately cause you to sin.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because your your pride, um, and that everything that comes with it.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's a there's several authors out there on the topic that say sports do not help your faith, they discourage it.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then there's different different takes on it, but but on competing, bro, on like I want to do the best I can, yeah, I want to win the competition.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's a scripture I think of.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, let's go.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: All right, 1 Corinthians 9.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: All right, 24.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: It says, Do you not know, do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Run in such a way as to get the prize.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone who competes in the training goes into strict training.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly, I do not fight like a man beating the air, my body, and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I take it's okay to run to win the race.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: So it's okay to compete to win the game.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's I think that's the number one.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, my first thing is like, I want to is it is it okay to be a Christian and compete and beat people and win?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I believe it is.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I also think that it's saying take all, it's using as an analogy to apply that to a bigger picture of a spiritual race.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, I don't want to sin on the on the court or the field and have it hurt me in my spiritual race, disqualify me in my spiritual race.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then I also want to do something that can actually help in the grand scheme of things in the spiritual race.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, number one, it's um within myself is I want to compete fearlessly with passion for Jesus.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: Number two, it's how I treat my teammates, and then how I how I treat the opponents and the officials and the coaches.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because that can make an impact that's more than winning or losing.
• 27:50
  unknown: Wow.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: That can be eternal, right?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so if I if I win the game, but I sacrifice those connections and that impact, what's the point?
• 28:00
  unknown: Wow.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I would say.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: But it's one thing to know that, and it's another thing for me to do that.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's challenging.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because in the heat of competition, yeah, uh yeah, absolutely.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: I totally get it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um and that's uh some that idea, there's a lot to chew on there because even the last thing you just said, it's like you gotta know it.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so like I think spiritually, uh I there's a sense of fear that I that I feel right now because man, if you don't know what you get into spiritually, man, you're there's a lot that goes into this.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, following Jesus is not just I say a prayer and that's it.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like I love that you read that scripture.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's a lot of intentionality to it, and I love what you're doing too, integrating sports and faith, because I I think high-level athletes they they understand strict training, they understand like being really focused on a prize and glory.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: So if that's what Paul, one of the greatest apostles, is saying, that's gotta be my attitude to get to heaven.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I there's some things that um I feel like I think a lot of people don't know and need help about, right?
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I appreciate sharing that, bro.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: It it it adds some weight to like how serious following Jesus is.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like it's too heavy.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I but what are the benefits if you can play sports at a high level but also do it with Jesus?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: What's the benefit?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because let me let me just say this real quick, because I can hear as I've studied the Bible, other people, hey man, I gotta give up relationships.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to give up time to go to church and do Bible studies when I can be working out in training.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, hey, I gotta be willing to maybe surrender other opportunities, you know, for pleasure or whatever to do a Jesus way.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't so there is there is like some some, yeah, there are things you're gonna potentially lose.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: So what's the benefit, right?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: What's the point as a young person giving up so much and life is already harder, hard, but now you want to make it harder.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: So what are the benefits, Brian, of doing it Jesus' way?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great, that's a great question.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, that'd be good to ask some of our young athletes too.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, as someone that's on the other side of it, you know, when you're playing, let's talk about like Trinidad, for example.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a platform, and a lot of people, like in athletes, it's kind of one of the go-tos.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like in your you're gonna have a sports, a sports ministry probably on campus, they're probably gonna preach, you know, use your platform.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of the challenges with that is that you're gonna have a platform as an athlete, as a Christian athlete, but at the end of the day, that platform, you're gonna be humbled and you're gonna have less people, less of an audience, and then it's gonna dwindle down to one, which is God.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: So don't fall in love with the platform as a Christian athlete.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, understand it's a chapter in your life as a disciple.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then if you, you know, if if you are fighting to do it with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength for Jesus, he's gonna bless that and you're gonna take a lot from that experience.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the opposite.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's like the opposite of the drunk uncle that just drinks and reminisces on old high school days when they were good at sports.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, you're a fired up uh dude that's content with God and grateful for everything you learned in those days because it's helping you now.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: With whatever God's given you.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: You you'll find so much more fulfillment.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Benefit is you'll find so much more fulfillment long term.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: And your point, you're maximizing your platform for the for the greatest good as well.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: As you were talking, it made me think, bro.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um obviously, because I know your life too.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: What a gift that many D1, D2, or college athletes are in, or even high school athletes, what an incredible gift that you're in that position that your talent has given you that opportunity to be there.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: So if God brought you there and your talent got you there, what else is waiting for you in the future, to your point?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't learn those lessons now, you're gonna miss out on something that he might be trying to set you up for in the future.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, Brian, all that you got going on, you got your master's degree, you play professional ball overseas, you got two incredible kids, an incredible wife, and you're doing so much in that community.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Man, a lot of that was because I'm sure what you learned while you were in college and learned to love God and put your identity in him, be self-disciplined, it's prepared you to be able to carry what you've carried now.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I think another benefit is it's yeah, what a blessing to have what you have now, which means there's more blessings waiting for you in the future if you handle this correctly.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bro, that's a good point.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because even now, you know, when I envision the future in the next chapter, um, I don't I don't know what God's gonna do, and I wouldn't have imagined what he's done, but I have the trust, and the trust is from what he's already done, as quick.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not just in my life, but in those around me.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then in the Bible, you know, it's like how many times does it say remember, remember, remember?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so if I take a minute to remember what he's done, I'm like, oh man, I can't wait.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then after that, heaven.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, you know, um it's all perspective, it's all a matter of perspective.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, I gotta say this real quick.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know we're going long, so whatever.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but tell me to shut it down if you want to.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Did you ever think while you were younger, before you became a Christian, like, man, I'll be a Christian when I get married and have kids, you know, when I really have to settle down.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: But right now, I'm about to I'm about to live it up.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: So do you ever think about, but now that you're on that side, but you became a Christian when you're single, how grateful are you that you became a Christian when right?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Bro.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm gonna oh yeah.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I didn't become a Christian when I was a single guy, the man who I would have been today, bro, I I it'd have been I would have been, I don't know if I still be married, but thank God he started working on me when I was a young single guy, untangling things in my mind and my heart to help make me who I am today that can handle this.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: And love.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it's so good.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, because I think about trajectory, like the trajectory I was on, you know, I I really wild out in high school.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: That was like I was doing what most people sin is in college and high school, and it was not good.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so the trajectory was bad, and then the habits were bad.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like that was years of habit that God had to break.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so if I would have kept going for another 10, you know, and I know um speaking of you know, discerning ear and not everything being bad in music, there's a a Nas song called Ch Second Childhood.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's always talking about is people that do the same thing when they were 17 and 18 at 27, 28, 37, 38, 47, 48.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that would have been me without God for sure.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: So for all you young people listening, please, I I I beg of you in the most respectful, humble way, please consider trajectory.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, like what would I gain by loving God now?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Not just now, but for my future when I get married, I have kids.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: And uh last thing I want to say, and then pass it on to you, Brian.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: I just heard this, someone else say this that the the demons that we don't fight now in our lives are kids that have to fight.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: So deal with what you can now in your life before you have more responsibilities, because that's when it, you know, there's gonna be more at stake.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, bro.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's so true, man.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think about that a lot too, having kids.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then even, you know, like Kate, my wife Katie always prays for our kids' kids.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think it's yeah, the same.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: It makes me think about that.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: What's gonna be passed down?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: How can I help that?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think the last thought I had on it, L, and you know what, 30 minutes might be our new 20.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: We might just have to plan on 30 minutes.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: We were like, oh, five minutes a segment.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, we'll be good.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: My bad, bro.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I think the other the other miss um misunderstanding I had was you know what you said is so true.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, when I get older, I'll calm down.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: I also thought one of the reasons is because I don't think I can relate to to the men that are following Jesus right now.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I might be different, I might be worse.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I don't know if I can relate to the Christian life men.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: But what helped is guys like you, who I heard your background, I'm like, oh, he he's a knucklehead too.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's trying to figure this out too.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that was like, okay, we have that in common.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: So now we're together and we're trying to do this together, and we're both we both got struggles.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you know what, we're gonna figure this out, we're gonna do this thing together.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yeah, and it helped that we were open about things.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, I'm not the only one that struggles, and so yeah, it it built confidence and trust that I'm not alone, and there are people that I can talk to about things.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: One quick story about you that I want to share for other people as well.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let it rip, bro.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: As an athlete, I consider myself a semi-athlete.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: As an athlete, to see other athletes really living the life, you know, but also having similar interests, you know, God, go hard, but then also just like hip hop.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: I remember the first time you wrote with me, I was like, you know, at the time I love Tupac, I was like, ah man, I'll be honest, here's what I really thought.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh man, I'm like this guy is like a really Christian Christian guy, and like everything's gotta be Christian music.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, man, I want to listen to Tupac.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I remember asking, hey man, can I play this?
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you were like, Yeah, go ahead.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, listen, my boy, I love this guy.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: All right, he still listened to Tupac.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, all I have to say, man, it it felt really good that I didn't have to turn off who I really am.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love God, but I'm an intense guy by nature, and I want to I like intense things, and so that's but you know what I mean.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: I just like that.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: I want to get after it.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: I want I want to listen to some some uh diplomats instrumental beats and try to rap.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yeah.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: So um another thought I want to share too is it's funny because we start talking about it's almost like we're opening up this door and more and more stuff comes out.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, I lived with some great dudes uh that were athletes, and then I lived with um Christian in a Christian household.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: You were in that household, and so one of the differences between um living with guys that weren't necessarily Christians at the time and living with Christian brothers was you know, in the world, it's like if you do something and you're into some dirt and some sin, it's like, oh, you do you.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: And there wasn't there's no accountability, it's like, oh, you're just doing your thing, do your thing.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: There might be judgment, but there was no accountability.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then in the in the household with Christians, it was like, hey, we signed up.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, L, you would call me out if I crossed the line in sin.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: And if if I did something that you thought was sinful, you you call me out on that.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't just say, you do you, I'll do me.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: There was there was an understanding to that, and that's what the best teams have, right?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is they have players that do that and then also players that accept that.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so all that stuff, if you put all those ingredients together, you know, the trust, the background, the uh what we've been through, what we're trying to do, all that stuff, I think God has it, God uses it to build bonds and brotherhood.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like uh what Joseph said, um uh you you meant you meant to do it for bad, but God used it for good.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Paraphrasing.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like how many things in our life have been like that?
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like we intended it for bad, people intended it for bad, God used it for good.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I would encourage people with that too, is like that's a that is the type of roommate you want in your living situation, or if you're trying to follow Jesus, you don't want the guy next to you that's like, do your thing.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: You want the one that's like, hey man, is this really right?
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely, man.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, thank great story.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for sharing that.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: I did everything you said, man.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: But also help create accountability for me, too.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember a couple times having, hey guys, I need to I need to confess something real quick, you know.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got to get open too.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: So household meetings, man.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Don't sleep on household meetings in person, not over text, not over text, in person, in person, in person.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, man to man.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awesome, man.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's all I got, brother.
• 41:51
  unknown: Amen.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hey, let's uh, you know, this was a great conversation, Al, thanks for leading it.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: And let's I'm praying for Trinidad.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see how he carries himself the rest of the way, um, on and off the field.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then, man, I might say a half a prayer for Caleb Williams to be back.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, he'll be back.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: It'll be at the bottom of my list, bro.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of other bigger fish to fry.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, but watch.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna come back like an animal.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna come back like with vengeance, bro.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Watch.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: He probably will.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Y'all trolling me now.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Watch.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: He probably will, bro.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 42:28
  unknown: All right.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: You got the outro.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Outro.
• 42:33
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• 42:43
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• 42:48
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• 42:53
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• 42:58
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• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh until next time, don't just pass the ball, but pass the rock, and don't just win the game, but win souls.