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Panthers Suffer Early Injuries in Training Camp, Liam Coen on Travis Hunter, Fernando Mendoza Signs Rookie Contract · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on? Everybody happy Fugazi Friday?
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Speaker 1: Hopefully everyone is doing well. We got football's in the air.
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Speaker 1: We got injuries. We got Fernando Mendoza signing a contract.
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Speaker 1: We got Liam Cohen saying Hunter is gonna play both ways.
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Speaker 1: you covered. Let's just dive right in. But I want
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Speaker 1: to start with you know one thing, when I left
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Speaker 1: football and came to talking about football for a living,
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Speaker 1: I would say the number one thing I did not miss,
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Speaker 1: beside probably having more of a life, would have been
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Speaker 1: the feeling when you are at practice and a guy
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Speaker 1: is laying there on the ground, and the entire practice stops.
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Speaker 1: That could be OTAs. That could obviously be training camp,
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Speaker 1: it could be during the season when I was in Philadelphia. Now, granted,
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Speaker 1: this was a disastrous signing, but namd Austin Wah got
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Speaker 1: hurt the week of Thanksgiving. He just was on the
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Speaker 1: ground laying there. And now, granted it turned out to
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Speaker 1: not be as severe as originally thought, but injuries in
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Speaker 1: football are really unlike the other major sports. Right in basketball,
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Speaker 1: you can play full on five on five basketball as
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Speaker 1: an NBA player year round, and the risk of injury
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Speaker 1: is very, very low. The amount of times that we've witnessed,
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Speaker 1: you know, Paul George going into the stanchion and shattering
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Speaker 1: his leg, it's very rare. It's why we can remember
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Speaker 1: them all. You can't remember all the players who have
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Speaker 1: had leg shattered, ACL's achilles, shoulders ripped, careers ended. That's
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Speaker 1: how quick it happens. And I've never quite understood how
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Speaker 1: coaches and gms become numb to it, and they'll claim
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Speaker 1: they never do. But Jeff Schwartz, former NFL player, played
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Speaker 1: at Oregon, his brother Mitchell played for the Browns and
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs for a long time, always has the joke
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Speaker 1: of move the drill, move the drill, as a guy
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Speaker 1: in training camp is laying there just so you can
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Speaker 1: keep practice going and they don't fall behind. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of the rhythm of the business. You have a practice
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Speaker 1: script and coaches like sticking to it. Now. Granted, there's
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Speaker 1: a level of player that, especially a starter, when he
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Speaker 1: goes down in camp, that there is no just moving
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Speaker 1: the drill. And Carolina right now has injury disasters all
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Speaker 1: over the place. We were joking yesterday that you know,
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Speaker 1: you come back to camp and your fingers are kind
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Speaker 1: of crossed that I saw Kirby Smart, so you just do.
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Speaker 1: They landed in the transfer portal, had an ATV accident
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, severe injuries, currently in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: You know, the Carolina Panthers reported for camp and found
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Speaker 1: something wrong with their right tackle Taylor Morton, who has
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Speaker 1: blood clots in his lung, and you're just like what,
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Speaker 1: And you know, you keep your fingers cross. Everything's gonna
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Speaker 1: be okay with him. But they already have their left
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Speaker 1: tackle I think Torres knee during the playoff game against
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Speaker 1: the Rams, So their left tackle and the right tackle
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Speaker 1: are already injured. And today at practice they lost a
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Speaker 1: starting linebacker, Nick Gordon, who a couple of years ago
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Speaker 1: was like an All SEZ player Texas A and M
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Speaker 1: had a really solid rookie season. I think he had
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Speaker 1: five sacks. He started basically half the season, and I
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Speaker 1: was seeing today on Twitter that some of the people
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Speaker 1: that cover Carolina said like he was going to factor
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Speaker 1: into this team big time. Late on the ground, got
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Speaker 1: carted off and as he was being carted off, he
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Speaker 1: was in tears. And then later in the day it
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Speaker 1: was reported he tore his ACL out for the year.
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Speaker 1: That's how fast it happens. A video went viral yesterday
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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, and luckily for him yet he had a long,
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Speaker 1: lucrative career. But like Tyrek Hill, if he hadn't got
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Speaker 1: injured in that game, still would have played for years
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Speaker 1: in the NFL said yesterday he has zero power in
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Speaker 1: the leg. That he gruesomely injured. I think it was
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Speaker 1: that Thursday night game where his leg just went completely
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Speaker 1: the other way. And for a guy whose game is
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Speaker 1: predicated on speed and power, it's safe to say, like,
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Speaker 1: I don't ever plan on seeing him playing football again.
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Speaker 1: And all these other sports with the guaranteed money and
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Speaker 1: the owners are always battling against guaranteed contracts in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: It's why it was so polarizing when Deshaun Watson and
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslam capitulated to mcgulla's demands and gave him two
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollars and it's still officially the
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Speaker 1: longest contract that's been fully guaranteed. We have seen other
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Speaker 1: contracts fully guaranteed in shorter spans. I e. Kirk Cousins,
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Speaker 1: and I think Daneil Hunter got something very similar a
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He sounded like a two year,
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Speaker 1: forty nine million dollar contract, like forty eight million of
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Speaker 1: it was guaranteed. But the injury risk in football is
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Speaker 1: just so high and you just never know when it's coming.
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Speaker 1: It's one thing I think my first game working in
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Speaker 1: the NFL, the Eagles had a fullback name Leonard Weaver,
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Speaker 1: who's a really good player, pretty versatile player. In the
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Speaker 1: opening game against the Green Bay Packers, who would later
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Speaker 1: go on to win the Super Bowl. He got hit
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Speaker 1: in the leg, you know, on a tackle. I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure he was carrying the ball, not the lead blocker
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Speaker 1: on this play, and his leg snapped in half like
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Speaker 1: a twig. Don't think he ever played football again. And
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Speaker 1: I mean there are I mean, the examples of that
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Speaker 1: go a mile long. It could happen in practice lifting
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Speaker 1: weights off season. Hell, you can get injured just doing
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Speaker 1: shit with your family in the forty or fifty day break,
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Speaker 1: and then obviously the games. Given the violence, the speed
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Speaker 1: of all these guys, it's just something that is the
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Speaker 1: worst part of this time of year. And you know,
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Speaker 1: every team in the league now with the technology, it's
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Speaker 1: a little easier to track, but most scouting departments have
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Speaker 1: countless pro scouts. They have two or three guys that
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Speaker 1: just cover the league with their pro scouting director and
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Speaker 1: their general manager, and their jobs are literally just to
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Speaker 1: monitor all this stuff and keep running notes and the
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Speaker 1: amount of guys that get injured on a daily basis. Ideally,
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Speaker 1: it's you know, we're gonna see countless guys go down
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Speaker 1: over the next three or four weeks. It's just you know,
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Speaker 1: a little hammy pull here, a little calf tightness there,
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Speaker 1: a little elbow soreness. But when you get X player
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Speaker 1: torn acl out for the season, there's nothing worse, especially
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Speaker 1: when that guy's starting quarterback or I mean a starting player.
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Speaker 1: And this shows you. You know, the Carolina Panthers were
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Speaker 1: a team that went eight nine last year, who showed
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Speaker 1: themselves very very well in that in that RAMS playoff game.
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Speaker 1: Were I mean a team that I think definitely has
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Speaker 1: the xpect. I mean their owner literally said today, we're
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Speaker 1: a championship team. I wouldn't go that far, but I
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Speaker 1: think it was fair to go. If they were healthy,
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Speaker 1: they could compete for ten wins and then boom, you
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Speaker 1: look around, they're just littered with injuries and then they
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Speaker 1: literally lose a starter on day one of full practice.
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Speaker 1: So this league can change at the moment's notice. A
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Speaker 1: curve ball can happen at any moment, and these coaches
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Speaker 1: can say, next man up. It's easier to do and
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Speaker 1: figure it out when it happens July twenty third than
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Speaker 1: Week ten. But it's no more or less impactful internally,
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Speaker 1: and a pretty big kick in the nuts. Speaking of
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Speaker 1: something that was actually on the positive side. Years ago,
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Speaker 1: and for those of you younger listening to this, if
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Speaker 1: you're in your twenties, you probably don't remember this, But
8:41
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, I mean we're two thousand, you know,
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Speaker 1: twenty six, So twenty years ago is two thousand and six.
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Speaker 1: When you had guys like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Stafford
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Speaker 1: and Sam Bradford. Nadama can sue. All these really high
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Speaker 1: picks coming into the NFL. They used to sign enormous
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Speaker 1: contracts they use There wasn't a rookie salary cap, there
9:03
Speaker 1: weren't slotted amounts, so they would sign contracts and sometimes
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Speaker 1: immediately be the highest paid guy onto their team. And
9:12
Speaker 1: when the league had their lockout in twenty eleven, one
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Speaker 1: thing that dramatically changed was the rookie slotting system. And
9:24
Speaker 1: early on you went from guys like Stafford, Bradford, all
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Speaker 1: those guys that were the number one picks being some
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Speaker 1: of the highest paid guys in the league, to guys
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Speaker 1: then making way less money. Well almost fifteen years later,
9:39
Speaker 1: this might be fifteen years later you because of the
9:43
Speaker 1: growth of the league, and we talked about this yesterday
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Speaker 1: that the NFL, with their fifteen billion dollars or whatever
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Speaker 1: made more money in television revenue than baseball, basketball, and
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Speaker 1: hockey combined. Fernando Mendoza today signed a four year contract
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Speaker 1: with every penny guaranteed at fifty seven million dollars. So,
10:05
Speaker 1: whether Fernando Mendoza becomes the next Jim Plunkett, rich Gannon,
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Speaker 1: Kenny Stabler, or is a royal disappointment in a bust,
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Speaker 1: he is going to make fifty seven million dollars. Well now,
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Speaker 1: because of taxes and stuff. Yeah, if you listen to
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Speaker 1: enough athletes podcast, don't he's not gonna make many seven dollars.
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Speaker 1: Cut that thing in half. Pay the agent. He's gonna
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Speaker 1: make a lot of money. And I was thinking about this,
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Speaker 1: like I look, last year, the forty nine ers had
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Speaker 1: the eleventh pick. So guy not even in the top ten.
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Speaker 1: Mikel Williams out of Georgia signed a four year contract
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Speaker 1: for twenty five million dollars. To put that into perspective,
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Speaker 1: Davante Adams, who you know as a borderline Hall of
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Speaker 1: fame resume, I have to look closer. Maybe maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: not being Maybe he's a Hall of famer. Last year
10:53
Speaker 1: didn't hurt because he led the league in touchdowns, signed
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Speaker 1: a contract with twenty six million dollars guaranteed. So when
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Speaker 1: you hear these stories about rookies going back in NIL,
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Speaker 1: I do think that impacts a guy like Diego Pavia,
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Speaker 1: who today was cut by the Baltimore Ravens. Practice hadn't
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Speaker 1: even started. Clearly, he was the ninetieth guy on the
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Speaker 1: roster and they cut him. Well, Diego Pavia the last
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Speaker 1: couple of years at Vanderbilt was making some coin. So
11:23
Speaker 1: if you were Diego Pavia, he would have stayed in
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Speaker 1: college as long as humanly possible. Right, But if you're
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Speaker 1: gonna be a top pick, top fifteen to twenty pick,
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Speaker 1: you are going to make more money than you would
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Speaker 1: in anil. It's like Dante Moore, who's I'm sure making
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Speaker 1: a ton this year at Oregon. If he would have
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Speaker 1: come out and been the second or third pick in
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Speaker 1: the draft, he would have made more money and signed
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Speaker 1: a contract and got a signing bonus for way more
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Speaker 1: money than Phil Knight's would funnel him. And I don't
11:53
Speaker 1: know any Nike stock, but I do monitor it. It's
11:56
Speaker 1: not doing well. Times are not great. It's why there's
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Speaker 1: some room, Like I guess John Morant has a very
12:02
Speaker 1: very popular sneaker, which makes Nike a lot of money.
12:06
Speaker 1: That Nike was behind a conspiracy theory about getting him
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Speaker 1: to Portland so they could keep their eye on him
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Speaker 1: because he's he's one of the lone shoes. That is
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Speaker 1: absolutely crushing it. But my point is is being a
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Speaker 1: really highly touted rookie right now is very profitable. Like
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Speaker 1: it's it's a it's this is not like you know,
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Speaker 1: he's sounding like a four year, twelve million dollars deal.
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Speaker 1: Four years, almost sixty million dollars, never thrown an NFL
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Speaker 1: pass right if you saw the UCLA who my buddy,
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Speaker 1: who's a scout in southern California for an American League team,
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Speaker 1: who's done it now since he stopped playing for six
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Speaker 1: or seven years, told me this UCLA shortstop is the
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Speaker 1: best prospect he's done high school or college, and that
12:50
Speaker 1: it's a loaded area down there every year for baseball.
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Speaker 1: He just went number one overall at the Chicago White Sox.
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Speaker 1: He got a I think ten point five million dollars. Now, granted,
13:01
Speaker 1: it's not apples to apples because in baseball it's there's
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Speaker 1: no guarantee that he ever makes the big leagues. There's
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Speaker 1: no guarantee. We've seen a lot of number one picks
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Speaker 1: never get a shot. Now, this guy compared him to
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Speaker 1: like Troy Tulewinsky or not, like he's more than likely
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Speaker 1: these guys are going to be in the big leagues.
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Speaker 1: But my point is is the amount of money now
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Speaker 1: you get if you are a high pick is just
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Speaker 1: going up and up and up because of the revenue
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Speaker 1: of the league. Now, whether he can play or not
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Speaker 1: is a completely different conversation, right, It's what we always
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Speaker 1: talk about in the draft. Obviously, if you wanted for
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Speaker 1: Nano Mendoza had to dig him number one, right because
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Speaker 1: a lot of times though you can love a player
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Speaker 1: and take him in the second or third round because
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Speaker 1: you know that's his value, based on his production, based
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Speaker 1: on his workouts, based on maybe an injury. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean you don't think he's going to be a good player.
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Speaker 1: Like I fill in the draft, it's like you went
13:58
Speaker 1: pick forty five. You know there were three hundred people drafted,
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Speaker 1: and you know how countless undrafted free agents. People think
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Speaker 1: you're a pretty good football player. You know, no one
14:09
Speaker 1: thinks you're a scrub buddy. So I'm excited to watch
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Speaker 1: Fernanda Mendoza. Obviously, if he's good, he's the key here
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Speaker 1: because if the Raiders are gonna turn around, And what
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Speaker 1: I was actually thinking this the other day, one name
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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, Like I do think the
14:25
Speaker 1: Raiders are going to be improved, but they play in
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Speaker 1: a division with you know, Denver from a top to
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Speaker 1: bottom standpoint of bo Nicks as healthy, that has a
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Speaker 1: chance to be. You know, they're clearly one of the
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Speaker 1: best rosters in the league, and as they proved last
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Speaker 1: year they were the number one overall seed. Like they're
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Speaker 1: a good team, Like they're gonna be really good. Jim
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Speaker 1: Harbaugh every single year goes to the playoffs. Up until
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Speaker 1: last year, the Chiefs were going to the super Bowl
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Speaker 1: every year. So they could be vastly improved and still
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Speaker 1: win six seven games, right, And if you're on that
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Speaker 1: trajectory and Mendoza, whether he he starts Week one or not,
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Speaker 1: but throughout the season you're feeling some momentum with him.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if you entertain trading Max and you're never
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Speaker 1: gonna get those two number one picks, one being the
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Speaker 1: fourteenth pick, Like that's gonna be off the table. But
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Speaker 1: if Max looks healthy, if he's you know, productive in
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Speaker 1: terms of sacks and pressures, could you get like a
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Speaker 1: one in a two and just kind of pivot to
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Speaker 1: the next era of Raider football built around Mendoza and
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Speaker 1: then try to utilize those assets to you know, improve
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Speaker 1: your pass rush and find another Max Crosby. But I
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Speaker 1: do think that's something to keep an eye on throughout
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Speaker 1: the season, if you know. It'd be one thing. If
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Speaker 1: the Raiders are like in a wild card spot, you know,
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Speaker 1: or competing for one, then you keep them. But if
15:43
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear like they're not gonna make the playoffs,
15:46
Speaker 1: I do wonder if early mid October that chatter grows
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Speaker 1: again and teams start hitting them up, teams starts sniffing
15:55
Speaker 1: around on old Max, and listen, I respect him. I
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Speaker 1: know he's been loyal. Bizarre thing, you know, the Ravens DaCosta,
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Speaker 1: But I just I don't think that story's quite dead yet.
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Speaker 1: pretty good, you know, especially like under fifty, Liam Cohen
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Speaker 1: more likely is going to be in the bad boy
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Speaker 1: like he's got a chance to be. I mean really
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Speaker 1: really good. I mean what he did last year to
18:19
Speaker 1: a team that had just been dogshit was extremely impressive,
18:23
Speaker 1: made Trevor Lawrence look good and let's face it, through
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Speaker 1: the first however many years of his career it was
18:28
Speaker 1: extremely underwhelming and by all accounts like he's got some
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Speaker 1: shit to him. So I am a Liam Cohen fan.
18:36
Speaker 1: He went on Peter Schrager his podcast and told him
18:41
Speaker 1: that Travis Hunter is gonna play both ways because there
18:44
Speaker 1: was a story I don't know after the combine, before
18:47
Speaker 1: the draft, they like Travis Hunter was going to focus
18:51
Speaker 1: on one position, and then the general manager came out
18:54
Speaker 1: said that was not true, and then Liam Cohen doubled
18:56
Speaker 1: down on that. Now, my personal belief is, and I
18:59
Speaker 1: would say a rule of thumb for any talented young
19:02
Speaker 1: person focus on one thing and maximizing your ability doing that.
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Speaker 1: There is a small amount of people who can be
19:11
Speaker 1: like I can run the company, I can be the engineer,
19:14
Speaker 1: and I can be the marketer. Right, That's typically not
19:18
Speaker 1: how it goes. There's a reason musicians have managers, right,
19:22
Speaker 1: or players. Some players have the capability of negotiating their
19:26
Speaker 1: own contracts. Majority of them have an agent for a
19:28
Speaker 1: reason it benefits them and not everybody, but clearly some
19:35
Speaker 1: and clearly most right. So I if you think about
19:40
Speaker 1: the players throughout NFL history, I can't really speak on
19:43
Speaker 1: bo Jackson a little before my time, but Dion Sanders
19:48
Speaker 1: mastered the art of playing defensive back. And while he
19:51
Speaker 1: was doing that, even young in the NFL, he did
19:55
Speaker 1: he returned, which a lot of players at wide receiver
19:58
Speaker 1: or defensive back, if they have a great return skill,
20:01
Speaker 1: they'll be a punt returner or a kick returner. That's
20:03
Speaker 1: not abnormal. Like Honey Badger did it. Odell Beckham did
20:07
Speaker 1: it early in his career. Deshan Jackson did it early
20:09
Speaker 1: in his career. I'm all for that, right, but playing
20:13
Speaker 1: two positions to me is not an achievable thing. It
20:20
Speaker 1: really isn't. And then I looked at the jag schedule.
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Speaker 1: First week they play the Browns, and when I say
20:25
Speaker 1: playing both ways, I even mean if you're just full
20:29
Speaker 1: time defensive back and you're getting twenty snaps on offense.
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Speaker 1: Because I looked they played the Browns week one. Then
20:35
Speaker 1: they played Denver, which has one of the better defensive
20:38
Speaker 1: backfields in the league, with arguably the first or second
20:42
Speaker 1: best corner in the league, and they just traded for
20:45
Speaker 1: Waddle and they already had Sutton. The second week, they
20:48
Speaker 1: get for the third week of the season, they get
20:51
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. They happen to have Christian Gonzales, who,
20:54
Speaker 1: for shit is the Patriots more in the Super Bowl.
20:57
Speaker 1: He looked pretty good and he clearly got his swag
21:01
Speaker 1: back when Vrabel showed up. Oh yeah, and they just
21:03
Speaker 1: traded for aj Brown. The following week they play the
21:06
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. Out defensive backfield. You know, it's not like
21:09
Speaker 1: pac Man Jones is walking through that door. But if
21:12
Speaker 1: you are playing a lot of snaps on defense. They
21:15
Speaker 1: got Jamar Chase, who I would say right now is
21:17
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver in the league, and t Higgins,
21:20
Speaker 1: who's up for debate, is the best number two in
21:23
Speaker 1: the league, So like, how do you prepare for that
21:27
Speaker 1: during the week? Oh and then the following week you
21:29
Speaker 1: played the Philadelphia Eagles that had Quinnyon Mitchell who's an
21:32
Speaker 1: All Pro and Devonte Smith who has proven to be
21:36
Speaker 1: a high end wide receiver in the league with the
21:38
Speaker 1: first rounder and a ton of other guys that they
21:40
Speaker 1: can rotate through. And then the following week you get
21:43
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans who got Nico Collins and Lassiter and
21:48
Speaker 1: Stingley at defensive backfield. I can keep going down their schedule.
21:52
Speaker 1: There's a reason if you're Jamar Chase or Derek Stingley
21:56
Speaker 1: or Patricks Chretan, these all pro level players at wide
21:59
Speaker 1: receiver de back, all they have to do is focus
22:03
Speaker 1: on their job, and their job is playing one position.
22:07
Speaker 1: I am a Travis Hunter fan. What he did at
22:10
Speaker 1: Colorado was fucking awesome. I bet on that team a
22:13
Speaker 1: lot his last year, and they went on a run
22:15
Speaker 1: at the end, won a bunch of games. But playing
22:18
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve and playing against guys like AJ
22:22
Speaker 1: Brown and Derek Stingley and Jamar Chase and Jalen Waddle
22:26
Speaker 1: and Patrick Tretan is a different animal week in week
22:30
Speaker 1: out playing two positions. So I don't understand like I
22:35
Speaker 1: do get when you make an investment, and you don't
22:39
Speaker 1: want to look like an idiot, because let's face it,
22:42
Speaker 1: on paper, that trade is very one sided where we
22:44
Speaker 1: sit here today, and the only way to truly justify
22:48
Speaker 1: that trade you trade it for a dual threat player,
22:51
Speaker 1: even though there's not really a comp of a guy
22:54
Speaker 1: who's ever done that in the history of the league.
22:58
Speaker 1: And I would say the best athletes typic on the
23:00
Speaker 1: field are either playing defensive back or wide receiver litter
23:03
Speaker 1: throughout the league, and definitely the league from a wide
23:06
Speaker 1: receiver standpoint, has never been faster because of the training,
23:10
Speaker 1: because of the focus on how to improve your speed.
23:14
Speaker 1: On the individuals that clearly spend the six months that
23:18
Speaker 1: they're not playing football in the fall figuring out a
23:22
Speaker 1: way to get more explosive and to get just improve
23:25
Speaker 1: their forty time essentially, and a lot of these guys
23:28
Speaker 1: can go deep and they can fucking haul ass and
23:31
Speaker 1: I just think the past I just Travis Hunter. I'm
23:36
Speaker 1: not even blaming him. I'm putting it on management in
23:39
Speaker 1: the coach to someone draw a line in the sand
23:41
Speaker 1: and be like, can we just whatever position we think
23:45
Speaker 1: currently he is better at. Just spend all of our
23:48
Speaker 1: effort and time having him do that and see if
23:51
Speaker 1: we can maximize him to become a Pro Bowl level
23:54
Speaker 1: player at that position, and then maybe we broach the
23:58
Speaker 1: hybrid role after that, because I think it would be
24:01
Speaker 1: borderline impossible to ever reach the Pro Bowl status. Splitting
24:06
Speaker 1: time back and forth, Deon Sanders took some snaps at
24:11
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He didn't play wide receiver. He mastered playing corner,
24:17
Speaker 1: and I know he's been as big as proponent and
24:19
Speaker 1: celebrated him to do it. I just think, Dion, you
24:23
Speaker 1: were a better athlete than Travis and you didn't do it.
24:26
Speaker 1: So I I just couldn't disagree with this mindset more
24:31
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's like you invest in the
24:35
Speaker 1: stock at one point fifty, then it goes down to
24:38
Speaker 1: one hundred and everyone's telling you, man, like just you
24:42
Speaker 1: maybe sail now, and they just keep buying more, and
24:46
Speaker 1: it's just like it's a pretty big risk. It really is,
24:48
Speaker 1: because if you force feed this, it could blow up
24:51
Speaker 1: in your face. I got to give a shout out
24:56
Speaker 1: to I saw today that Josh Pate, who's been on
24:58
Speaker 1: the show a bunch of times. I was just texted
25:00
Speaker 1: with Will Compton, who's been really cool every time I've
25:03
Speaker 1: met him. They're gonna get a college football show on
25:05
Speaker 1: Friday on ESPN. Obviously those guys got more involved. You know,
25:09
Speaker 1: Josh Pate started from nothing, created this massive college football
25:13
Speaker 1: show on YouTube that is just crushing. Obviously busting with
25:18
Speaker 1: the boys, same thing, creating something from scratch and has
25:21
Speaker 1: turned their podcast into a fucking bohemoth. So congrats to
25:26
Speaker 1: those guys who are just crushing. It's a good example.
25:28
Speaker 1: Like a lot of these guys and this notion, like
25:32
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee, I saw this. I've seen this so many
25:34
Speaker 1: times we've mentioned this. Can you imagine a company that's
25:38
Speaker 1: worth billions upon billions of dollars? I read the day
25:41
Speaker 1: that ESPN their valuation is somewhere between twenty five and
25:44
Speaker 1: thirty billion dollars and blaming one individual who has his
25:49
Speaker 1: own company, who has his own fucking company, who's not
25:53
Speaker 1: paid as a Steven A's paid as a talent. Steven
25:55
Speaker 1: ain't paying for the camera guys. Steven ain't paying for
25:58
Speaker 1: the host of First Take even ain't paying for the
26:01
Speaker 1: other Pat McAfee pays for all that stuff now through
26:04
Speaker 1: the payment that he gets the licensing agreement through ESPN.
26:07
Speaker 1: But like he's running the company or his business guy
26:10
Speaker 1: is running the company, He's not the individual talent they're
26:13
Speaker 1: paying all that money to, and then ESPN also has
26:15
Speaker 1: to pay those other people. Not how it works, but
26:17
Speaker 1: think how insane it is to blame a company. We're
26:20
Speaker 1: twenty five or thirty billion dollars that is cutting. Let's
26:25
Speaker 1: just pick a number, I don't know, five to ten
26:27
Speaker 1: million dollars and blame one individual, like what an what
26:31
Speaker 1: a scapegoat? That is just incorrect, Like everyone's trying to
26:36
Speaker 1: put it all on him when it's like that's if
26:39
Speaker 1: you hear the company. Thank god, because it's like we
26:42
Speaker 1: could easily keep these guys around even though and this
26:47
Speaker 1: is the thing like Josh and Will and Taylor have
26:53
Speaker 1: is they don't need this, like they are generating revenue
26:58
Speaker 1: in their own businesses with it ease, like they are
27:01
Speaker 1: all doing extremely well. Now this is beneficial for them
27:06
Speaker 1: get more eyeballs on them. It's not like it's a
27:09
Speaker 1: bad thing. But you get into business with people that
27:12
Speaker 1: don't need you, it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting.
27:15
Speaker 1: You know. Forever I saw people are like longing for
27:17
Speaker 1: the old days of ESPN. You mean like nineteen ninety
27:20
Speaker 1: six when they just replayed Sports Center for five straight hours,
27:24
Speaker 1: which was incredible. When I'd go over to my grandma's
27:26
Speaker 1: house because we didn't have cable and just watch Sports
27:29
Speaker 1: Center over and over. It was cool at the time,
27:31
Speaker 1: but looking back, like now, I would know all those
27:34
Speaker 1: scores in all those plays the night of I'll tell
27:37
Speaker 1: you what I'm not longing for the nineties when it
27:40
Speaker 1: comes to the way we consume sports, because nowadays, when
27:44
Speaker 1: I want to watch something, I have access to it all.
27:47
Speaker 1: And you know, I also see this like this is
27:51
Speaker 1: the death of journalism. All these journalists are getting cut.
27:55
Speaker 1: We yeah, if they generated revenue, they would stay like
27:58
Speaker 1: this is a business, guys. The reason newspaper died was
28:02
Speaker 1: not Jeff Bezos. I remember when the Washington Post cut
28:06
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this before, the sports section.
28:09
Speaker 1: Everyone blamed Bezos. It's like, why didn't you blame the
28:14
Speaker 1: people that used to read the newspaper that no longer.
28:18
Speaker 1: Do you know, that's the problem. Is the business change.
28:23
Speaker 1: Our consumer habits changed, and if you don't change with them,
28:26
Speaker 1: you will die. Once upon a time, in like the
28:29
Speaker 1: fifties and the sixties, radio dominated. Then television came around
28:34
Speaker 1: and it changed the game. Then the Internet came around
28:38
Speaker 1: and blogging and writing on the Internet was huge. Then
28:41
Speaker 1: video came around on the Internet and clearly changed the
28:44
Speaker 1: game again. I remember when there was mass layoffs at
28:48
Speaker 1: ESPN because they were going to do a pivot to video,
28:52
Speaker 1: and all the writers were like, this is bullshit, this
28:54
Speaker 1: is crazy. Now, how do we get all of our
28:56
Speaker 1: information or at least a large percentage of it. There
29:00
Speaker 1: was recently an article that America, and this isn't something
29:03
Speaker 1: to be proud of, has never read less well, of course,
29:08
Speaker 1: because think about how we consume everything. Why would you
29:11
Speaker 1: read a book when I can just listen to it.
29:14
Speaker 1: Now I do think there's a there's a push to
29:20
Speaker 1: your brain, and I aspire to read more. I wish
29:26
Speaker 1: I did, but just based on time and the ability
29:30
Speaker 1: to put a book at one point five and get
29:32
Speaker 1: the information in my ear it's just easier to do that,
29:37
Speaker 1: and what will most humans do? They will take the
29:40
Speaker 1: easier route. So I just think some of these conversations
29:45
Speaker 1: are just so fucking laughable and out of touch. It's like,
29:49
Speaker 1: journalism isn't dying because of ESPN, It's because the consumer
29:52
Speaker 1: stopped reading it. There was a reason ESPN the magazine
29:56
Speaker 1: used to be huge and then it just died because
30:00
Speaker 1: people stop subscribing to the magazine. You know, I just
30:06
Speaker 1: I don't get it. So congrats to those guys. And
30:10
Speaker 1: before we dive into the mailbag, my fugazi Friday is this.
30:14
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for those of you
30:17
Speaker 1: that are really disciplined with food. I'd always heard the
30:21
Speaker 1: stories on Nick Cassario and how discipline he is as
30:24
Speaker 1: an eater, and someone who knows him well described him
30:27
Speaker 1: like he like doesn't even like you know foods, they're
30:31
Speaker 1: bad for you. And then Adam Peters came on our
30:34
Speaker 1: show who used to be his roommate back in New
30:36
Speaker 1: England and gave the story that when he ate a
30:39
Speaker 1: piece of pizza in New England, he like passed out
30:43
Speaker 1: because his body couldn't and that there is just a
30:48
Speaker 1: there's almost a jealousy. I have well Costco who mandates
30:55
Speaker 1: if you're going to have a skew in Costco, you
30:59
Speaker 1: have to have like whatever you give them has to
31:02
Speaker 1: be different than I can find anywhere else. So if
31:06
Speaker 1: you go buy Gillette razors or a box of body armors,
31:12
Speaker 1: or Gatorades or whatever, any single item that you could
31:16
Speaker 1: also find in other establishments, whether it's Safeway, Target, you
31:20
Speaker 1: name it, that item will be different in Costco than
31:24
Speaker 1: everywhere else. And then the Kirkland brand, which is their brand,
31:29
Speaker 1: has some incredible products we drink. I used to be
31:33
Speaker 1: a Starbucks coffee guy every morning, and then it got
31:35
Speaker 1: to the point where if I brought back two cold
31:38
Speaker 1: bruise for me and her, it's like I just spent
31:40
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars on a cold brewer. I don't even know
31:42
Speaker 1: how much caffeine's in here. I'm not even feeling the kick.
31:45
Speaker 1: She started ordering these cold bruce from Costco. The Kirkland brand,
31:50
Speaker 1: they have like two hundred and forty milligrams of caffeine.
31:52
Speaker 1: I slam one of those between like six and seven
31:55
Speaker 1: when I got Jack and take them out of the
31:56
Speaker 1: room so you can sleep a little bit more and
32:00
Speaker 1: a little pouch in the upper and all of a sudden,
32:02
Speaker 1: I'm feeling great. And she ordered these Kirkling s'mores that
32:10
Speaker 1: are like a candy, that almost are like a The
32:13
Speaker 1: equivalent would be like one hundred grand almost. It has marshmallow.
32:19
Speaker 1: It had I guess one hundred grand does that marshmallow,
32:22
Speaker 1: but it has the says nuts, some gram crackers and
32:26
Speaker 1: they put caramel in there. There is And I have
32:29
Speaker 1: a rule in my home that it's like Maria, I
32:33
Speaker 1: don't want sweets in the home. Not because I don't
32:36
Speaker 1: like sweets, who doesn't, but because I'm not disciplined enough
32:40
Speaker 1: if you make some brownies to just have one brownie
32:43
Speaker 1: and then just look at them sitting there for the
32:44
Speaker 1: next week and not have another. So I have to remove.
32:47
Speaker 1: You can't bring a bag of Dorito's in the house.
32:50
Speaker 1: I will slam them all well. Sometimes especially she orders
32:53
Speaker 1: costco a little hungry, you know, she'll get a little aggressive,
32:55
Speaker 1: get a little ambitious, and all of a sudden I
32:57
Speaker 1: go to help her bring all the stuff in to
32:59
Speaker 1: get it instacarted, and there's this bag of some'mores from Kirkland.
33:05
Speaker 1: It is I'm not a drug guy, never done crack
33:08
Speaker 1: but I don't know how crack could be better in
33:11
Speaker 1: this stuff, because there's no way you could put one
33:14
Speaker 1: in your mouth and not put like seven more. No
33:17
Speaker 1: different with dots, right, you order one of those those
33:20
Speaker 1: big bag of dots pretzels, There's no way you could
33:24
Speaker 1: just open the bag and have a couple. You'll end
33:26
Speaker 1: up eating cup after cup and then before you know it,
33:29
Speaker 1: you'll cash the bag in like forty eight hours. You
33:33
Speaker 1: just have to remove those things from your home. I
33:36
Speaker 1: just have so much respect for the people that are
33:40
Speaker 1: able to order that type stuff touch it like once
33:43
Speaker 1: a week. I just don't have that type discipline. I
33:45
Speaker 1: don't have like that wiring upstairs. I don't have whatever
33:49
Speaker 1: that is in my brain that is like just leave
33:52
Speaker 1: it alone. It's like, ah, no problem, leave it alone.
33:54
Speaker 1: I have the opposite, have one have another. All of
33:58
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm fifteen to twenty deep, and yeah, I
34:02
Speaker 1: don't know what else to say Beside the Kirkland some'more
34:07
Speaker 1: candy bag is one of the most impressive inventions I've
34:12
Speaker 1: ever seen. It really is, and I don't I'm just
34:17
Speaker 1: I'm just at awe of how good they taste when
34:20
Speaker 1: they when they enter your mouth, and that being said,
34:22
Speaker 1: the bag will probably be gone and definitely no more
34:25
Speaker 1: than three days in my home. She's also responsible for
34:30
Speaker 1: denting that as well. But let's just start with some
34:45
Speaker 1: male bag questions. Question about the Bills. How confident are
34:50
Speaker 1: you in the narrative that Terry fired Sean McDermott because
34:54
Speaker 1: players are crying. Is it possible that Terry self, may
35:00
Speaker 1: billionaire from oil and gas industry, assessed the trajectory of
35:04
Speaker 1: Joe Brady from position coach to OC and decided he
35:08
Speaker 1: had a higher ceiling? In other words, might it have
35:11
Speaker 1: been an analytical decision not an emotional one? Last season,
35:15
Speaker 1: you took a mailbag question almost every week from Bucks
35:18
Speaker 1: fans saying we should have taken fired Todd Bowles and
35:21
Speaker 1: kept Liam Cohen. And your answer, which was correct at
35:24
Speaker 1: the time, was that sounds great in theory, but it
35:27
Speaker 1: never happens. Maybe it just did ps. Liam Cohen was
35:30
Speaker 1: a position coach at Brown's in twenty thirteen when my
35:33
Speaker 1: son was on the team. My son said he ran
35:37
Speaker 1: h you say the browns oh at brown Her son's
35:41
Speaker 1: an Ivy leaguer. That's impressive. My son said, he ran
35:44
Speaker 1: circles around everyone else on the staff, and that he
35:47
Speaker 1: is completely unsurprised by making by Baker's resurrection or the
35:51
Speaker 1: Jags turnaround. Uh my rebuttal to that is pretty simple.
35:55
Speaker 1: Did Joe Brady interview anywhere else? I know he he
35:59
Speaker 1: definitely was kind of an the mix, but and potentially
36:02
Speaker 1: maybe the Browns offer him a job instead of Todd Munkin.
36:06
Speaker 1: I do think it had been something over the course
36:09
Speaker 1: of a couple of years, or I'm sure it crossed
36:12
Speaker 1: his mind. Can this guy get it done? Is this
36:14
Speaker 1: guy gonna be the person to have us make a
36:17
Speaker 1: Super Bowl run? And when you lose a game like
36:20
Speaker 1: that and emotions are high, I would doubt it was
36:23
Speaker 1: just a decision made over individual tears. I am I'm
36:29
Speaker 1: in complete agreement there. But my question is this, when
36:35
Speaker 1: you make a decision like this, you just you got
36:39
Speaker 1: to live with the results, because if Todd Bowles, like
36:43
Speaker 1: they were kind of one and done in the playoffs,
36:46
Speaker 1: you know, Todd Bowles was not the guy that won
36:48
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with Tom Brady. So my thing would
36:51
Speaker 1: be is I got no issue with making bold decisions,
36:57
Speaker 1: with taking a big swing, and I'm pro Joe Brady,
37:01
Speaker 1: but they interviewed a bunch of other people, like they
37:03
Speaker 1: were talking to Philip Rivers. I don't think the Liam
37:07
Speaker 1: Cohen thing. They Liam Cohen was beloved in that building
37:11
Speaker 1: by Baker and clearly the GM who wanted to make
37:14
Speaker 1: him highest paid coordinator. I don't think that was the
37:17
Speaker 1: case with Joe Brady. Even Joe Brady said like, once
37:20
Speaker 1: Sean gets fired, I started thinking, am I going to
37:21
Speaker 1: lose my job? So it's not like he knew that,
37:24
Speaker 1: Like I'm just the heir to the throne here, so
37:26
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. I don't think it was
37:32
Speaker 1: devious is the wrong word, but I I I don't
37:35
Speaker 1: think it was as thought out as that. I think
37:37
Speaker 1: it was just thought that from Terry's side, this Sean
37:42
Speaker 1: thing's not working. And then they fired him, and then
37:45
Speaker 1: they go, who can we hire to make a better
37:47
Speaker 1: an upgrade and have keep the GM and elevate him
37:52
Speaker 1: to like the head Haun show, John, you always say,
37:54
Speaker 1: there are only so many six', five three hundred and
37:57
Speaker 1: thirty pound guys on this. Earth we need your. Advice
38:01
Speaker 1: my nephew is An Ivy league left tackle entering the
38:05
Speaker 1: prime of his. Career he was a FRESHMAN fcs To
38:08
Speaker 1: All american WITH nfl bloodline Through Penn state on one
38:11
Speaker 1: side of the. Family the big question now is balancing
38:14
Speaker 1: degree versus portal nil. Opportunities. Agent you always say there
38:20
Speaker 1: are only so many six, five three hundred and thirty
38:22
Speaker 1: pound humans on. Earth we need your. Advice my nephew
38:27
Speaker 1: is AN Ivy league left tackle and entering year three
38:30
Speaker 1: FRESHMAN Fcs All. American hell, yeah, brother we GOT nfl
38:35
Speaker 1: bloodlines in the family, Too Penn state on one side
38:37
Speaker 1: of the. Family the big question now is balancing degree
38:41
Speaker 1: versus portal nil opportunities agent question mark the hope is
38:47
Speaker 1: a potential fifth year at a school Like Notre dame Or.
38:50
Speaker 1: Duke do not want to leave any money on the.
38:53
Speaker 1: TABLE i uh my first thought is this a GIRL
38:58
Speaker 1: i went to Cal poly with married a football player From.
39:01
Speaker 1: Harvard that guy played With Kyle, yustchak super high, level
39:06
Speaker 1: great guy From. Texas he does extremely well in the real.
39:12
Speaker 1: World AS i would imagine a lot of former football
39:16
Speaker 1: players that played in THE ivy, leagues the people that
39:20
Speaker 1: are on those teams At, Brown, Yale, Princeton, harvard whatever
39:26
Speaker 1: aren't exactly the normal crew of kids on campus because
39:34
Speaker 1: one do play there, academically you got to be pretty.
39:36
Speaker 1: Strong it's like playing football At stanford Or. Northwestern but
39:41
Speaker 1: there is an element of the team, sport the mental,
39:45
Speaker 1: toughness the physical. Toughness you are kind of bred to
39:48
Speaker 1: dominate the real. World so this notion of like leaving
39:52
Speaker 1: money on the, table it's one thing of Like Mario
39:55
Speaker 1: christobal calls or Sark Er, Lanes like you can go
39:58
Speaker 1: to a top ten, program ain't takes some money and.
40:03
Speaker 1: Go that means you're probably AN nfl. Player but if
40:06
Speaker 1: you just are not getting calls from the, high top
40:09
Speaker 1: ten fifteen. PROGRAMS i had a buddy that who is
40:15
Speaker 1: coaching in college. Now i've known him Since Fresno, state
40:20
Speaker 1: and he told me a story about similar. Situation he
40:23
Speaker 1: has An All conference, player the guy gets a two,
40:26
Speaker 1: year million dollar deal from AN sec. School it's, like,
40:28
Speaker 1: bro you gotta, go and the guy's, like, YEAH i gotta.
40:31
Speaker 1: Go it's LIKE i don't want to leave. YOU i
40:32
Speaker 1: don't want to leave this, program but can't. Go do
40:36
Speaker 1: you know what happened when he got? There he's a,
40:38
Speaker 1: Backup so it's, like, yeah he's in the short term
40:42
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand, dollars a lot more money than all
40:45
Speaker 1: these guys that don't play in THE nfl are ever
40:46
Speaker 1: gonna make it twenty, two twenty, three twenty four years.
40:49
Speaker 1: Old but like this guy wanted to play college, football you,
40:54
Speaker 1: know wanted a chance to be AN nfl. Player he
40:55
Speaker 1: doesn't even play. Anymore he sits the. Bench and this
41:00
Speaker 1: guy was telling me he's heard countless stories of those
41:03
Speaker 1: of these guys leaving programs that go somewhere and then
41:06
Speaker 1: they don't even get to. Start now they get some
41:08
Speaker 1: money two three, four five hundred thousand, dollars but they
41:11
Speaker 1: don't get to. Play and this is not like SOME
41:15
Speaker 1: Ivy league school that he. Left so your son or
41:18
Speaker 1: your nephew or let me reread, that uh, yeah your,
41:26
Speaker 1: nephew unless he gets an offer too good to turn,
41:31
Speaker 1: down like getting offered three hundred grand to go to
41:35
Speaker 1: LIKE mc. State like, now like you, said if he already,
41:39
Speaker 1: graduates like get your degree from, there stick it out
41:42
Speaker 1: there as long as, possible unless there's an opportunity too
41:45
Speaker 1: good to. Take but it's like you just go To
41:47
Speaker 1: Boston college to compete for the right tackle. Spot, well
41:51
Speaker 1: what if he ends up not starting And leaves doesn't
41:54
Speaker 1: even finish his degree at WHATEVER ivy leagues he's. AT
41:57
Speaker 1: i think the opportunity at a school like that he's
42:02
Speaker 1: going into his third year can change the guy's, life
42:06
Speaker 1: and he will make so much money that he'll look
42:08
Speaker 1: back and like whatever money he might have turned down
42:11
Speaker 1: if one of these you, know middle of the road
42:14
Speaker 1: power forward programs offer him some. Money because there's no
42:17
Speaker 1: guarantee you'll, start especially at offensive, line zero. Guarantee this
42:22
Speaker 1: isn't wide. Receiver they don't. Rotate so if you don't
42:24
Speaker 1: win the, gig you're the fucking. BACKUP i don't give
42:27
Speaker 1: a shit what they tell you on A dm in the.
42:29
Speaker 1: Portal my advice would be, this unless the top ten
42:33
Speaker 1: to fifteen program comes along and makes an incredible, offer
42:36
Speaker 1: and you're, like, hey got a chance to go play
42:38
Speaker 1: For Dan, Lanning, well IF i start, There i'm gonna
42:41
Speaker 1: go to THE. NFL i would think long and hard
42:45
Speaker 1: about sticking it. Out And i'm with, you if you
42:48
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to play at one of those other,
42:49
Speaker 1: places they'll find. You if you become An All, american
42:56
Speaker 1: if you're An all conference, player these, people all these
43:00
Speaker 1: programs have scouting. Departments they're watching, you so he will
43:05
Speaker 1: get scouted and the word will get out if he's good.
43:07
Speaker 1: Enough if, not just stick it out and one day
43:11
Speaker 1: we'll all be working for a guy like. That you,
43:13
Speaker 1: know the six, five three and thirty pound guy with
43:15
Speaker 1: the uh they went To. Yale, uh he's number two
43:20
Speaker 1: at a hedge fund or the, guys he's gonna be.
43:25
Speaker 1: Fine if you were starting your OWN nfl franchise and
43:30
Speaker 1: could poach a, quarterback head, coach OR gm from the,
43:33
Speaker 1: league which would you choose? First and? Why, uh that's
43:39
Speaker 1: a good. Question i'm, Biased LIKE I i would, say
43:46
Speaker 1: if you were just putting him in, categories it'd be
43:49
Speaker 1: Like John, Schneider Howie, Roseman Jason light kind of a
43:53
Speaker 1: group like, that those would be the gms you would.
43:56
Speaker 1: CHOOSE i would, say coach is it might be between
44:02
Speaker 1: Like sean, McVay Kyle, shanahan And mike. McDonald the one
44:06
Speaker 1: THING i would say About mike McDonald that differs From
44:09
Speaker 1: kyle And sean Is kyle this is syrianis thing like
44:16
Speaker 1: they Got John schnyder And Hawwie, Roseman like those guys
44:18
Speaker 1: are going to The hall Of fame and they're currently
44:20
Speaker 1: in the peak of their. Powers they're gonna go down
44:22
Speaker 1: as like two of the greatest general managers in the
44:24
Speaker 1: history of the. League John lynch a nice, guy got
44:28
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for. HIM i wouldn't exactly call.
44:30
Speaker 1: Him how he, Here? John you, know how could he?
44:33
Speaker 1: Be john's been doing this since like ninety. Four how
44:36
Speaker 1: he's been thinking about being A gm since he was.
44:38
Speaker 1: Five john just thought like ten years, ago, like, ah
44:42
Speaker 1: this'd be. Cool He's, stanford high level, guy played in
44:46
Speaker 1: the league. Forever but it's a little different. Beast so
44:50
Speaker 1: it's Like i've Seen kyle who's in complete, control And,
44:54
Speaker 1: sean who's had all the juice since early. On now
44:58
Speaker 1: less IS i would, say much more accomplished Than John.
45:01
Speaker 1: Lynch and then the quarterbacks would be, like would you
45:04
Speaker 1: rather just Have Patrick mahomes Or Josh Allen and what
45:09
Speaker 1: if you get just some random? COACH i THINK i
45:14
Speaker 1: go the. COACH i probably go With sean McVay Or
45:17
Speaker 1: Kyle shannan and just figure it out from. There and,
45:21
Speaker 1: honestly before the QUARTERBACK i might just take if you
45:26
Speaker 1: told Me i'd just Get John schneider Or Howie, roseman
45:28
Speaker 1: like they'll figure it. Out you, know, obviously if you
45:34
Speaker 1: Get Patrick, mahomes WHO i Take Patrick mahomes at twenty
45:37
Speaker 1: two years? Old, yeah or. Veach you, know he came
45:42
Speaker 1: into an organization that was already making the playoffs With
45:46
Speaker 1: andy freaking. Read so if you give Me Andy, reid
45:49
Speaker 1: it like he's old now, older he looks. Great ACTUALLY
45:53
Speaker 1: i saw a picture of. Him if you told ME
45:55
Speaker 1: i Got Andy reid at, FIFTY i would Take Andy
45:57
Speaker 1: reid at fifty over any. QUARTERBACK i would Take Bill
46:01
Speaker 1: walsh at fifty five over any quarterback because they figure
46:05
Speaker 1: all that. Out you, know they will find To Patrick.
46:08
Speaker 1: Mahomes they will do. It you, Know John schnyder wanted
46:12
Speaker 1: to pivot Off Russell wilson For Josh. Allen he wanted
46:18
Speaker 1: to do. THAT i, mean how he's how many? Quarterbacks
46:20
Speaker 1: is how he kicked to the. Curb that's that's their.
46:23
Speaker 1: Skill so it's crazy to say because it is the player's.
46:27
Speaker 1: League you can't win with it with just me and.
46:29
Speaker 1: You but that's those guys, job and they're great at.
46:32
Speaker 1: It SO i would, go this is gonna sound. Insane
46:37
Speaker 1: this in, basketball it's like COACH gm or. Player i'm
46:40
Speaker 1: taking fucking player every day of the. Week i'll Take Michael, Jordan,
46:43
Speaker 1: Lebron Steph larry over any, coach ANY. Gm, ever football
46:49
Speaker 1: is kind of more of a front office coach. LEAGUE
46:51
Speaker 1: i mean it really, is Like Patrick mahomes can't win
46:54
Speaker 1: on his, Own Josh allen can't win on his. Own
46:56
Speaker 1: Like sean McDermott And Brandon bean deserved a lot of,
46:58
Speaker 1: credit you, know culture adding players the right. Players this
47:05
Speaker 1: is gonna sound. INSANE i think quarterback would be, last
47:08
Speaker 1: coach would be, first and it would be between McVeigh Or.
47:12
Speaker 1: Kyle i'd probably choose McVeigh because IF i was involved in,
47:18
Speaker 1: this BECAUSE i think he's you, KNOW i Think i'll
47:19
Speaker 1: can be a little, difficult not That sean, can't BUT
47:24
Speaker 1: i think he'd be a little. Easier, again any any,
47:28
Speaker 1: coach you. Know let me read that article On Sean.
47:32
Speaker 1: Payton it's just football's. Crazy so all these coaches are.
47:34
Speaker 1: Nuts some of them are just a little nicer while
47:37
Speaker 1: they're doing. It question for the. Bag heard your take
47:40
Speaker 1: on The colts number five hot seat this. YEAR i
47:43
Speaker 1: agree we have unachieved in the last couple of, years
47:45
Speaker 1: but the question is how much better A gm and
47:47
Speaker 1: coach could we actually. Do wouldn't they both get hired
47:50
Speaker 1: immediately if they were. FIRED i THINK i also said
47:53
Speaker 1: That Jonathan taylor had a down. Year maybe MAYBE i
47:56
Speaker 1: did add on to that that he was actually pretty
47:59
Speaker 1: he was really. GOOD i mean he had fifteen hundred,
48:00
Speaker 1: yards but the majority of that, game you, know in
48:03
Speaker 1: that start With Daniel. Jones then at the end of the,
48:06
Speaker 1: year when they could just stack the, box it was
48:07
Speaker 1: much harder for. Him he's obviously still an excellent. PLAYER
48:13
Speaker 1: i don't. Know Is Shane stike in a lock to
48:16
Speaker 1: just immediately get a, job because Even stefanski had made
48:20
Speaker 1: the playoffs a couple time for The browns With Chris,
48:25
Speaker 1: ballard just immediately get A gm. Job Me sean McDermott
48:30
Speaker 1: was going to the playoffs and winning games every year
48:32
Speaker 1: and didn't get a, Job and maybe he kind of
48:33
Speaker 1: just pulled his name. OUT i don't, know because if you,
48:37
Speaker 1: look ten guys got fired last, year let's just Pick
48:41
Speaker 1: shane stykeing ten guys got fired the previous, year it
48:44
Speaker 1: was like six or. Seven so we had over half
48:46
Speaker 1: the league in two. Years, Well tomlin's coming, back, right
48:51
Speaker 1: so that's taken a. Spot If Davis. WEBB i don't.
48:56
Speaker 1: KNOW i don't Think Shane stikeen would just be some.
48:59
Speaker 1: Lock the other thing is and this is The bills
49:02
Speaker 1: is a good. Example if that's your, mindset then you'll
49:07
Speaker 1: just whyever, fire just keep them? Forever how are you gonna?
49:09
Speaker 1: Upgrade like Is Howie roseman? Available? No like can we
49:14
Speaker 1: just sign like A Jason? Light can we just HIRE
49:18
Speaker 1: i don't, Know kevin, O'Connor, like who are your other? Options,
49:22
Speaker 1: like if that's the way you're, thinking that's part of doing,
49:25
Speaker 1: this and sometimes you do, upgrade SO i wouldn't take
49:29
Speaker 1: that mentality. Again they're, good but TYPICALLY i like both of.
49:36
Speaker 1: Them i'm a fan of both of. Them but the
49:39
Speaker 1: job is pretty black and, white like there's not a
49:42
Speaker 1: lot of gray area with this. Thing either win or you.
49:45
Speaker 1: Don't and teams that don't win, relative you, know it's
49:51
Speaker 1: not like they're going four wins every. Year they would
49:53
Speaker 1: have been. Fired they're close, enough but like they're missing
49:57
Speaker 1: the playoffs every. YEAR i think it hurt. Too like
50:00
Speaker 1: if you tell me, again like The jacks And texans
50:02
Speaker 1: are just back in the playoffs and they're missing, him
50:06
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a. Problem started listening to about two
50:11
Speaker 1: years ago rebuilding a. Home thank you for making workdays
50:16
Speaker 1: and nights go a little bit. Faster now onto? Football
50:19
Speaker 1: AM i the only one concerned about The New York Football?
50:22
Speaker 1: Giants even With? Harbaugh it seems there is no discipline
50:25
Speaker 1: from the impromptu live streams The skataboo. Backflips IF i
50:30
Speaker 1: were A giants, fan how worried SHOULD i? Be? If
50:33
Speaker 1: if you? Were skattaboo has been doing the backflips forever he.
50:39
Speaker 1: HAS i, mean he did those in, college so that's
50:43
Speaker 1: just kind of. Him he's. Crazy the live stream is
50:46
Speaker 1: At Melik neighbors or was That who was That Abdul
50:50
Speaker 1: carter calling? Out who was the guy that called? That
50:53
Speaker 1: was It Melik neighbors calling Out Rvel? Reese that's part of.
50:58
Speaker 1: FOOTBALL i read an Eel on O'Connor article On John,
51:02
Speaker 1: harbaugh who's he's clearly tight. With so it WAS i
51:05
Speaker 1: don't want to say a puff, piece but it's it's
51:07
Speaker 1: very positive and. UPLIFTING i don't remember, this BUT i
51:11
Speaker 1: guess in twenty, twelve like in the middle of the,
51:15
Speaker 1: Season suggs and Ed reed had a closed door meeting
51:19
Speaker 1: With john basically to call him. Out on everything he
51:23
Speaker 1: was doing, wrong and when the meeting, Ended John harbaugh
51:28
Speaker 1: was just so, like just so you guys, know there
51:31
Speaker 1: is not all every other team in the league their. Coach,
51:36
Speaker 1: this this would not have been tolerated the stuff you
51:39
Speaker 1: just said to. ME i just want you to, know
51:41
Speaker 1: like kind of saying, Like i'm pretty open to you
51:45
Speaker 1: guys lighting me up. Here and obviously they went on
51:48
Speaker 1: to win The Super bowl that year and it changed
51:49
Speaker 1: his career trajectory. Forever but IF i wanted to play devil's,
51:56
Speaker 1: advocate Like i've Seen Jim harbaugh go To San, diego
52:00
Speaker 1: they sucked immediately by the, end Undefeated stanford worst program
52:04
Speaker 1: in the country by the END bcs, game the forty nine.
52:07
Speaker 1: Ers at one point in time in the two, Thousands
52:10
Speaker 1: Matt lioner went back to school so he didn't go TO,
52:12
Speaker 1: usc And Pete carroll turned him. Down they Had Mike
52:15
Speaker 1: nolan Or Mike nolan And Mike, singletary who took over
52:18
Speaker 1: For nolan in a halftime speech dropped his, trousers so
52:24
Speaker 1: it was an. Embarrassment they had, talents but they were not,
52:29
Speaker 1: winning and they were a. Joke, harbaugh first year AN
52:32
Speaker 1: ffc championship. Game then he goes To. Michigan they were.
52:35
Speaker 1: Struggling by the, end they're Winning natty so goes to The,
52:38
Speaker 1: chargers who were also a. Joke Brandon staley go to
52:41
Speaker 1: the playoffs back to back. Years john's had one job
52:45
Speaker 1: and he inherited Ray, lewis Ed, Reid Ozzie. NEWSOM i
52:50
Speaker 1: Think John harborough is a good, coach but like if
52:52
Speaker 1: you just compare The harball, brothers AND i Know jim
52:55
Speaker 1: says the best coach he knows Is. John of, COURSE
52:58
Speaker 1: i mean he loves his. Family blame him for doing.
53:00
Speaker 1: That we've never seen him in an environment like like
53:04
Speaker 1: What Liam cohen just. Did he went to the Fucking.
53:07
Speaker 1: Jags by the end of the, year they won thirteen
53:09
Speaker 1: games and you, know kind of. Disappointed they were disappointed
53:13
Speaker 1: when they lost a playoff. Game John harbros's never Had
53:16
Speaker 1: this is the first time he's, going and it's like
53:18
Speaker 1: this thing is a disaster with a lot of question.
53:21
Speaker 1: Marks there ain't no Ray lewis Or Ed reed Or
53:23
Speaker 1: Terrell suggs on this. Roster hello To. Nada they ain't
53:26
Speaker 1: walking through that. Door SO i think there's a pretty
53:30
Speaker 1: big challenge from that. STANDPOINT i definitely like some of
53:34
Speaker 1: their individual. Pieces it was reported today That Malik neighbors avoided,
53:38
Speaker 1: pup so THAT'S i would, say some optimism in terms
53:42
Speaker 1: of the, Knee but what have to, see like what
53:45
Speaker 1: he looks like whenever he's able to get on the practice.
53:47
Speaker 1: Field just because you don't call himupp doesn't mean you
53:49
Speaker 1: practice right. AWAY i don't, know, MAN I i'm not
53:53
Speaker 1: as high immediately on this. Team they're clearly going to
53:56
Speaker 1: be more buttoned up and physicality is a huge part
53:59
Speaker 1: of John on. TOUGHNESS i know people are making fun
54:03
Speaker 1: of him for his team, meeting but it's like there
54:06
Speaker 1: are probably a lot of cheesy team. Meetings you're not
54:09
Speaker 1: paid to give team, meetings paid to win football, games
54:11
Speaker 1: And john's proven that he knows how to do. That
54:15
Speaker 1: but this is a challenge and he doesn't Have you,
54:18
Speaker 1: Know ossie knew someone as A hall Of fame general.
54:20
Speaker 1: Manager he's already in The hall Of fame as a.
54:22
Speaker 1: Player he's clearly one of the great gms in the
54:25
Speaker 1: history of the. League it's with one of the better owners.
54:29
Speaker 1: NOW i Think mara in theory is a really good
54:31
Speaker 1: owner because he kind of lets them Do he's just
54:33
Speaker 1: hired the right of a lot of the wrong. People
54:36
Speaker 1: but they just Treated John harbaugh like he was Fucking Bill.
54:39
Speaker 1: Walsh they gave him five, years one hundred million. Dollars
54:42
Speaker 1: you see some of these college coaches get a hundred
54:44
Speaker 1: million dollars like a ten year. Contract john five, years
54:46
Speaker 1: hundred million, dollars pay him twenty million dollars a. Year
54:49
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure that comes with. That i'm
54:52
Speaker 1: fascinated my, Guy Matt naggie's calling. Offense to, me they
54:57
Speaker 1: still got a bunch of question marks on. Defense how
55:00
Speaker 1: are they gonna stop the? Run they have a bunch
55:03
Speaker 1: of pass, rushers but how many of those guys can
55:05
Speaker 1: play the. Run it's not like you can have them
55:07
Speaker 1: all on the field at one. Time, offensively how's it gonna?
55:11
Speaker 1: Look Can Jackson dart stay on the. FIELD i Just
55:14
Speaker 1: i'm just. Interested i'm not as bullish as Like i'm
55:17
Speaker 1: picking them to make the. Playoffs i'm not going. TO
55:19
Speaker 1: i also think they're gonna be. Improved but When's john
55:25
Speaker 1: ever had just like a, teardown which is kind of
55:27
Speaker 1: what this thing has been and. Is even though he's
55:30
Speaker 1: definitely inheriting some Players, okay last question From tyler question
55:48
Speaker 1: you have reference at least once that you had to
55:51
Speaker 1: take a form of a leap of faith to get
55:53
Speaker 1: on a plane and meet your. Wife i'm wondering if
55:56
Speaker 1: you can share your story of how that came. Together
55:59
Speaker 1: working hard on learning from you when it comes to
56:01
Speaker 1: trusting my own timing and not worrying about, OTHERS i
56:06
Speaker 1: find it super refreshing when people reach milestones at different
56:09
Speaker 1: timeframes than most. Suggestion you've referenced a bunch of. Times
56:13
Speaker 1: when it comes to, coaches, specifically if you had a
56:16
Speaker 1: draft from, scratch here's a content. Idea just do, that
56:19
Speaker 1: rank them and go in depth on who you would.
56:22
Speaker 1: WANT i think what you would have to, do and
56:24
Speaker 1: maybe we'll do this before the. Season is, like my
56:29
Speaker 1: top five coaches are fifty years, old because you Know,
56:32
Speaker 1: Andy Sean, payton some of these guys are in their.
56:34
Speaker 1: Sixties if you're doing a, draft you would take a
56:37
Speaker 1: guy that you might have for the next twenty, years,
56:39
Speaker 1: Right sean mcvay's. Forty these other guys are sixty, three sixty,
56:43
Speaker 1: five sixty. Six there's a little bit of a. Difference
56:47
Speaker 1: maybe we could make it a little unique IN i
56:52
Speaker 1: first came To. ARIZONA i, Mean i've been here, before
56:55
Speaker 1: but we had a golf trip In may of twenty.
57:00
Speaker 1: Twenty so this is you, know places like The Bay
57:04
Speaker 1: area complete. Lockdown you had to mass like basically wrap
57:09
Speaker 1: your body in bubble wrap to fucking do. It it was.
57:12
Speaker 1: Nuts some of you guys can. Relate and THEN i
57:15
Speaker 1: came To arizona and we Play we PLAYED tpc troon.
57:20
Speaker 1: Weikapah we kind of did like a golf, trip Rented
57:23
Speaker 1: airbnb and it was completely. OPEN i was, like oh my,
57:28
Speaker 1: god this is. Paradise so at that moment In, may
57:34
Speaker 1: Late may of twenty, Twenty i'm, Like i'm moving. HERE
57:39
Speaker 1: i was losing my. Mind so then for the next
57:42
Speaker 1: like nine, months ALL i thought about is how AM
57:45
Speaker 1: i gonna get To. ARIZONA i gotta get out of
57:47
Speaker 1: The Bay. Area and my mom had she goes to
57:52
Speaker 1: this hairdresser kind of by where she lives and, said
57:56
Speaker 1: my son wants to move To. Arizona and some in
58:00
Speaker 1: there had, said, OH i know someone who's a real
58:03
Speaker 1: estate agent In. Scottsdale so then my mom told me About.
58:07
Speaker 1: MARIA I Dm maria and she showed me some. Houses
58:13
Speaker 1: So this would have been twenty twenty. ONE i don't
58:17
Speaker 1: even know when. Springtime MAYBE i actually had her showed
58:21
Speaker 1: me some HOUSES i couldn't even. Afford she was dating
58:23
Speaker 1: someone at the, time SO i just SPENT i rented a.
58:26
Speaker 1: Hotel she showed me some. HOUSES i just hung out In.
58:29
Speaker 1: SCOTTSDALE i didn't hang out with her, besides like when
58:32
Speaker 1: she showed me four or five houses Throughout scottsdale and
58:36
Speaker 1: a Buddy, craig another, realator also showed, me so it
58:39
Speaker 1: wasn't like there was. Nothing we didn't go out for
58:42
Speaker 1: drinks or. Anything she was dating a guy took me.
58:44
Speaker 1: OUT i was really coming here to kind of get
58:47
Speaker 1: a feel for the market and, fall you. KNOW i DMed,
58:52
Speaker 1: her so we had followed each other On instagram and
58:54
Speaker 1: then maybe within the next. Year so twenty twenty, Two
58:58
Speaker 1: i'd come back To arizona a couple. Time i'm just
59:00
Speaker 1: stayed at hotel and hung out just BECAUSE i was,
59:01
Speaker 1: LIKE i got to get out of the bar area
59:02
Speaker 1: as fucking these people were nuts and again not a
59:07
Speaker 1: mask in site for. YEARS i, mean you thought this,
59:10
Speaker 1: place you thought it was like two thousand and, four
59:12
Speaker 1: it was completely normal And i'm getting like it. Was
59:17
Speaker 1: there couldn't have been another place In america quite like
59:21
Speaker 1: The bay And Los, angeles Maybe New York, city but it.
59:24
Speaker 1: Was it couldn't have been any more polar opposite From.
59:27
Speaker 1: Arizona i'm, like this place is so, nice it's, Clean
59:29
Speaker 1: Like i'm moving. Here SO i had my mind made.
59:33
Speaker 1: Up when she showed me, HOW i was, LIKE i
59:34
Speaker 1: gotta Find i'm. Coming so within the next, YEAR i
59:39
Speaker 1: was just trying to figure it. Out and THEN i
59:40
Speaker 1: saw On instagram it was pretty clear she wasn't dating
59:44
Speaker 1: that dude. Anymore SO i don't know IF i DMed.
59:48
Speaker 1: HER i shot, HER i had her. NUMBER i, Said,
59:50
Speaker 1: Hey i'm going to be in. Town do you want
59:53
Speaker 1: to get? Drinks and she said, yes she THOUGHT i
59:57
Speaker 1: was going to be in town for. Work WELL i.
59:59
Speaker 1: WASN'T i was JUST i rented a hotel for you, Know, Friday,
1:00:02
Speaker 1: saturday AND i just got on a. Plane we went
1:00:04
Speaker 1: to drinks and THEN i don't even THINK i came
1:00:06
Speaker 1: back To california until Like, wednesday and obviously the rest
1:00:09
Speaker 1: History jack's currently just pooped all over. Something so, YEAH
1:00:14
Speaker 1: i MEAN i just you just sometimes take a, swing
1:00:19
Speaker 1: and it. Worked. Out BUT i remember thinking on that,
1:00:21
Speaker 1: Plane i'm, like there's there's no. GUARANTEE i, mean who,
1:00:23
Speaker 1: know she could have texted me WHEN i. LANDED i
1:00:26
Speaker 1: can't make. It you. Know it's not LIKE i knew
1:00:29
Speaker 1: her very. WELL i just wanted to come, here wanted
1:00:34
Speaker 1: to take a girl out that lived, here and, yeah
1:00:37
Speaker 1: it just kind of worked. Out and then the rest
1:00:41
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Speaker 1: that's the, story and that's the One i'm sticking. To
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Speaker 1: text her up until like an hour before, drinks so
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Speaker 1: she didn't know if it was on AND i text
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Speaker 1: Big Arizona, Guy big. Golfer he COVERS pga tour and
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Speaker 1: lives here AND i asked him for some recommendations where
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Speaker 1: we should go to dinner and, drinks and he gave
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Speaker 1: me a spot that was Sick like first night we went,
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Speaker 1: yeah it's had in the. Bag you, know your boy
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Speaker 1: coffees for, closers and your boy had a couple of
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Speaker 1: coffees that morning and it just rests. History but the
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