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Happy Hour #131: Gotcha! · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I hop who Stephon
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  Speaker 1: never told your protection by her radio?
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  Speaker 2: And we are back with another happy hour. Yes, we're
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  Speaker 2: still in limbo. We haven't started our Sex and the
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  Speaker 2: City viewing yet, but we will be coming back to
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  Speaker 2: season three, and honestly, there's a lot of talk about
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  Speaker 2: and just like that. So I'm wondering if we need
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  Speaker 2: to take a pause to revisit that show. Maybe yes,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we need to do season three first
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: before we come back to that. But we're so outdated
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  Speaker 2: that way because season three does incorporate a big character.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like a.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe yes, I think okay, because I got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of questions, I got a lot of but I.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like we need to introduce that certain character before
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  Speaker 2: we talk about this new revamp. But all that to
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  Speaker 2: say is we're coming back, I swear to God. But
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: right now we're just in a bit of a limbo
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  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of stuff happening. As you know,
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  Speaker 2: we released a book, Dragon con is happening, and if
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  Speaker 2: you don't know, Annie's been preparing all year for this,
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  Speaker 2: so it's a thing. It's a thing. And then my
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: birthday's coming up, where I decided I'm going on a
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: trip and then Annie is going to go see or
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: go to Universal for the last of us Halloween themed
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  Speaker 2: Haunted theme park. Is that what it is? Yes, say right, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So we had a lot of plans when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to like fall and the holidays, it's heavy duty. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's heavy duty. So we're doing a small hiatus. We'll
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  Speaker 2: be back before all of that stuff happens, I promise
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  Speaker 2: with the Sex of the City. But just giving you
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  Speaker 2: a heads up about all the schedules, so that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: include our producers and executive producers their stuff, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure they've got tons of stuff as well, and they
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  Speaker 2: should because everybody needs a break. But yes, we are
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  Speaker 2: today coming back with a happy hour with I've decided
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do my wine session Annie. But before
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  Speaker 2: we start, we are drinking, obviously, so if you are drinking,
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  Speaker 2: but if you are doing whatever you're doing, we always
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  Speaker 2: say be responsible, be kind to others as well as yourself,
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  Speaker 2: and know your limits. So follow those things and we're
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  Speaker 2: all good. At this very point in time. Whatever we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about, we are not necessarily being sponsored by them.
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  Speaker 4: Things do change.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe someone loves us to give us drinks.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows, but right now that's not the case. So
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  Speaker 2: with all those things in place, Annie, what are you drinking?
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  Speaker 4: I'm drinking.
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  Speaker 3: Some concoction that my friend I my last wine I
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  Speaker 3: mentioned that I had a surprise party that kind of
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  Speaker 3: went around. Well, they brought all of these Oh gosh,
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  Speaker 3: that's not actually where they came from. They're older than that,
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  Speaker 3: so it was before that. But anyway, there's like drinks
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  Speaker 3: in a tube, and I put one in the.
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  Speaker 2: Air in a tube.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even look at the flavor. It tastes
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  Speaker 3: like strawberries and peaches.
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  Speaker 2: A concoction that was an Harry.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it'd be fun a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit, and then she's completely I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. Well, that's delightful. I love that that's
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  Speaker 2: the concoction. I don't think I could do that. My
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  Speaker 2: old self would be like, nah, that looks like a headache.
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  Speaker 1: So absolutely not that's fair.
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  Speaker 2: But for me, I decided I'm also going to partake
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  Speaker 2: because today has been a stressful day, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: But I'm drinking makoli, which is a Korean rice wine,
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  Speaker 2: very low alcohol content, but it's a peach flavor and
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  Speaker 2: I really really like it. I have a feeling if
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  Speaker 2: native Korean listens, they'll be like, don't do flavored drinks.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair, But I am not native enough to care,
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  Speaker 2: so I find it delightful. And I also bought the
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  Speaker 2: mcgullie drinking bowls, which are like any I'll show you
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  Speaker 2: they just yeah, So I was like, yeah, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: be authentic and get this. So I'm real role playing
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  Speaker 2: with my ethnicity here.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's a very beautiful bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah. By the way, if you get those,
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  Speaker 2: do not put them in the dishwasher.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, don't do it, but I don't.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. You also don't have McCully right now, so
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  Speaker 2: you're fine. But today in my Bitch and Wine session.
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  Speaker 2: So we did have a whole radio tour. If you
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  Speaker 2: listen to our Feminist around the World, you might have
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  Speaker 2: heard about our book and how we had a radio
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  Speaker 2: tour that same day, and we were very, very very nervous.
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  Speaker 2: I was freaking out a little bit the night before,
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out what I wanted to do, practicing things.
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  Speaker 2: I think I texted you early morning was like we
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  Speaker 2: need to get together, Like I sent you six text
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  Speaker 2: because I was freaking out. I apologize in advance, and
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  Speaker 2: I've apologized now, not because I was like, we got
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  Speaker 2: to talk because I don't know what's happening. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what this is. We got a sample from our
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  Speaker 2: marketing people, who are fabulous people who really were like
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  Speaker 2: reassuring to us, because well, we were like, we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know if we want to do this because
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  Speaker 2: with the with the climate as we as it is,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know if it's going to be a kind interview.
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  Speaker 2: Are they going to attack us? Are they setting us up?
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  Speaker 2: Is this one of those gotcha type of things? If
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  Speaker 2: it's live? You know, we don't know. I'm not good
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: at live. I'm not good great at live for me.
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  Speaker 2: I get into into my head and I talk too fast,
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  Speaker 2: I trip over my words and then I forget what
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  Speaker 2: I just said. I am amazing. So a lot of
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  Speaker 2: this was like really like, oh my god, what do
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  Speaker 2: we do? So we got the sample of another interview
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  Speaker 2: and it was nice here, but I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: It made me a little more nervous when I heard it,
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  Speaker 2: and I told you that I'm like I can't listen
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  Speaker 2: to more than because it was like an hour hour
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: and a half long for some because it was a
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  Speaker 2: two hour thing, ten to twenty minute interviews with different people,
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  Speaker 2: and we have like five six radio shows that we
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  Speaker 2: called into nationally, so I didn't know what to expect.
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  Speaker 2: You don't you never know. And then because we are
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  Speaker 2: a intersectional feminist show, and an intersectional feminist show with
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  Speaker 2: a book that has abortion rate kits, queer content, civil
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  Speaker 2: rights stuff, everything that everybody is considered woke essentially, which
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  Speaker 2: is now a negative word as rebranded by the conservative
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  Speaker 2: people and leaders. So it's kind of one of those
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  Speaker 2: things like what are we walking into? And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: the best at confrontation, but I do get mad.
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  Speaker 3: You're, well, yeah, better than me, but I think we
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  Speaker 3: both have our like strengths and weaknesses.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I will say y'all. And I bragged about
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  Speaker 2: it previously. Annie did a killer job. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh damn, gleefully. They asked mostly about her content, like
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: we spilt up the chapters and they kept picking one
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: chapter and it was her chapter. It was very telling,
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  Speaker 2: but I was like, thank God. And she was just
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  Speaker 2: so good and eloquent and I'm like, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 2: let her handle this interjecting here and there and moved
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  Speaker 2: on like other than them pointedly asking me things which
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  Speaker 2: I never Several of the questions I've never answered. I
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: realized that after the fact. I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to answer this question. I don't know how to
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  Speaker 2: answer this question. Rather, so I'm just gonna give a
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  Speaker 2: generic version of what I think you're asking me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've talked about this before. It's a
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  Speaker 3: frustrating thing when you have to sit down with your
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  Speaker 3: marketing team and say I'm worried that because of the
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  Speaker 3: content we wrote, this is not a good fit, this
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  Speaker 3: is not gonna work well, it's not gonna go well.
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  Speaker 3: And we did get these great reassurances, and they they
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  Speaker 3: are great legitimately, but there's just there was just a
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  Speaker 3: couple of points in this whole process where I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: but you still aren't seeing right.
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  Speaker 1: You should read the book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you are absolutely not understanding of what we're trying
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  Speaker 2: to say and the questions that you're asking. So we
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: had a review which was a glowing review, but again
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  Speaker 2: me being a negative Nancy as I am, I see
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  Speaker 2: something that's my minutely negative and I'm like, oh, they
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  Speaker 2: said this, but one of the things I said that
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  Speaker 2: our book is an elementary level, like if you or
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  Speaker 2: this says, if you're looking to find depth, in depth
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  Speaker 2: ideals and like whatever about feminism and like a new twist,
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  Speaker 2: this might not be the book for you, but this
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  Speaker 2: is a great for young people, essentially in being introduced,
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  Speaker 2: which I was like, I get that, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: because definitely the conversation is like, if you want, here's
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  Speaker 2: the preview of our book. We do talk about the
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  Speaker 2: rape kit backlog, and then we talk about the Jain
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  Speaker 2: collective and reproductive rights, and then we talk about several
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  Speaker 2: other things. I'm like, those are not things that we knew.
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  Speaker 2: That's not elementary feminism. That is not things We did
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  Speaker 2: add things like the civil rights movement, but we put
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  Speaker 2: in people that people don't know purposely because we think
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  Speaker 2: that those are the times that we can expand on that.
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  Speaker 2: And then we put in movements that people didn't know
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  Speaker 2: about or didn't know it in depth about, and we
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  Speaker 2: did that on purpose, or if there was a movement
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  Speaker 2: that was known, we talked about the people who aren't
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: talked about like that you know, that's kind of the
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  Speaker 2: thing that we always do as a part of our show.
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  Speaker 2: And he did an amazing portion of her nerdery with
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  Speaker 2: like fictional characters and why they're important and why we
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  Speaker 2: need better representation. So I wouldn't call any of that elementary. Unsurprisingly,
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: when we were asked by mainly all men, so I
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  Speaker 2: think there was like six to eight interviews, all of
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: them were men. Two except for one show that was
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: hosted by one woman, Amanda in Seattle. She did an
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  Speaker 2: amazing job, very lovely to talk to her. And then Lisa,
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: who was a co host of a show in Chicago,
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: and she was fantastic. Like they were, it looked like
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: they were excited to talk to us. And I will say, like,
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: we didn't see everybody face to face, so I'm not
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: saying that that's all like everybody in orders or whatever,
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: but they seem to be really excited to talk about things.
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  Speaker 2: But everything that we talked about when it came to
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  Speaker 2: the men, the only part of the book they really
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  Speaker 2: talked about was a sports chapter, which was the Billy
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  Speaker 2: Jean King versus Billy Rigg's Battle of the Sexist, which
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: we are very proud of because we think it needs
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: to be talked about. We talked about women sports and
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: Annie it is such a beautiful job. So I was
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: very glad to talk about this. And I think it's
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: such a like succinct chapter and very clear sexism, Like
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  Speaker 2: people really can't deny this. This was sexism. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the one chapter that almost all of them picked up
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  Speaker 2: on and that was not it. And I was like, wow, okay,
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  Speaker 2: which is not bad outside of why do you think
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  Speaker 2: feminism is where it is today? How come we're so
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  Speaker 2: far back? How do you think we can change all
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  Speaker 2: of these things? Like, wow, you really did not read
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  Speaker 2: any of this book except for that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well yes, to be fair, Uh, we were warns.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's an open secret. People don't
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  Speaker 3: often read the book, right, right, So that's what's on
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  Speaker 3: the website. Is that in the civil rights chapter, but
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  Speaker 3: they went for the sports one. But yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: it was it was I actually learned something from them
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  Speaker 3: because they all brought up the same thing, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that maybe also because I guess we
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  Speaker 2: essentially had boomers as a few of the interviewers, because
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: they're like I was alive when this happened, and I
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  Speaker 2: remember where our family did this, and I was like, ooh, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So when we talk about feminism, it really is to you,
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  Speaker 2: either it's women's rights equality, they just want to not
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  Speaker 2: wear a bra, or they just want to work type
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  Speaker 2: of conversation and that's that's the essence of feminism. Kind
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  Speaker 2: of interesting. Again, none of them were awful. Some of
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: them were again like all over the point. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you asking us
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  Speaker 2: why we can't solve feminism? Why are we still talking
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  Speaker 2: about this? Like is that the question? Are you being condescending?
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  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't tell, So of course I was like,
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Anni talk and then I'm gonna try
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  Speaker 2: to come behind her because i have no idea what
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  Speaker 2: he's asking me, and I'm already off like.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, uh, there was.
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  Speaker 2: Like atomic something and then my mom really respect my mom,
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  Speaker 2: and my dad made sure to tell us we need
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  Speaker 2: to respect her, and I was like, is that what
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand? Okay, all right, cool, cool cool. I
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  Speaker 2: will say we had one incident and it was exactly
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  Speaker 2: from who I thought it would be like if we
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  Speaker 2: had any incidents. I was like, I'm worried about this
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  Speaker 2: location and I'm not gonna put it on blast like that.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: But I didn't want to tell you all about it
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  Speaker 2: just because I'm very paranoid about what people will do
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: to get clicks and to get listens. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's it's important because I'm afraid it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: something clickbaity, possibly because the way he framed the question.
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  Speaker 2: It was a he the very last question we had
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  Speaker 2: in one of these interviews. I'm thinking he's going to
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  Speaker 2: ask something about, you know, where are we today in
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  Speaker 2: this kind of rights type of situation, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: no one talked about abortion, no one talked about you
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  Speaker 2: active rights in this conversation. One person that he asked
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  Speaker 2: a very great question about the backlog of rape kits,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: and I was like, whoa, yeah yo, I was so
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  Speaker 2: excited by that, and I was like, yeah, let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about this go anycause again it was your chapter and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I don't want to talk. So
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  Speaker 2: we had one amazing question and he did a great job.
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  Speaker 2: Like he was very personal. I felt like him and
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  Speaker 2: Seattle on the first call that we had, which were
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  Speaker 2: both women, were the most comfortable and understood what we
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: were trying to do, and I felt like that was
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. But this other dude at the end
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  Speaker 2: of it, he was like asking. He was like, so
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  Speaker 2: I have to ask you this, and it's it's because
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: he said, it's got to be asked, as if we
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: didn't even talk about any of this. We talked about
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  Speaker 2: transwrits in general and how they are under attack and
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: they need to be protected. We say that, he actually
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: brings up TikTok Star Dylan mulvaney and says and misgenders
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: them by the way misgenders her so badly, pointedly, like
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  Speaker 2: the way he was saying her name, the way he
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  Speaker 2: was calling her pronouns, he was misgendering her on purpose,
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  Speaker 2: and say, you know they make Dolan makes you look bad,
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  Speaker 2: like women look bad. I have. I look at my
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  Speaker 2: wife and I don't think like she represents such something
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  Speaker 2: different and I wouldn't if I was a woman, I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't want her take it up my space essentially and
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  Speaker 2: being this representation of women, I'm not gonna lie. I
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  Speaker 2: got real angry.
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  Speaker 3: He also said, maybe I am a closetive feminist. When
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  Speaker 3: he said that, yes, uh.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're not. No, no, you're not. That is not
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  Speaker 2: a feminist, like shut up. So obviously he's not doesn't
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  Speaker 2: like feminism himself. So I still can't figure out why
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: he wanted to interview us, because except for that one question,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't really ask anything out of pocket. So I
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: was kind of shocked when he started did this, and
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: so I mean, heal reaction was, first of all, she's
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  Speaker 2: a woman. She's a transgender woman, so she's a woman,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna respect her pronouns. That was the first
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  Speaker 2: thing I fund, like I was talking to a child,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: which I was like, we're gonna respect her pronouns, and
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: she does go by she she is a woman, and
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  Speaker 2: so we are going by that. Secondly, why would I
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  Speaker 2: try to point at her and say she's a representation
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  Speaker 2: of all women? Women are different, And my point was
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  Speaker 2: like I'm very different from Annie. Our interests are very different.
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  Speaker 2: That I wanted like, I'm not going to call you out,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm like, our sexual preferences are different. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: not really sure why I would you would compare us
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  Speaker 2: that way. And I even said my mother and I
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  Speaker 2: are very different. We come from different worlds, and I
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: don't want to be her either. And I was like,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: and at one point I was like, you know we
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  Speaker 2: are we would be what they mean you would consider
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: a sign of a female birth, which is still antiquated
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: in this conversation, And I hate that I had to
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: point that out, but I know if I didn't say
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  Speaker 2: that to him, it wasn't going to get the point
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  Speaker 2: across in that, No, she is a woman. We respect
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: her as a woman, and we will always respect her
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  Speaker 2: as a woman, and there's no need to criticize her
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  Speaker 2: or say that she is because she's never called herself
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  Speaker 2: the representation of all women. So why she's not hurting me?
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  Speaker 2: She's not in my space. Yeah, And in which like
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  Speaker 2: I got like that kind of ended, and I was seething,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: like I really wanted to be like, what is wrong
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  Speaker 2: with you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm so glad you stepped in because as you mentioned, uh,
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  Speaker 3: well I've mentioned it too, I don't hear very well
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  Speaker 3: if I can't see your face.
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  Speaker 1: So you said this name, and for some reason I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was like racking my brain.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you didn't know, if you're not on TikTok,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't know who she is really, and.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: We've we've talked about her. So like when you said it,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh yeah, yeah, I got you.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But I was like, are.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: And he made it sound like because for some reason,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: and I think I was mixing her up with someone
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: who has a similar name.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Who is there, Oh there's also that dude who was
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: an actor mulaney.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but I think I've for no reason at all,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm about it nice. For some reason, I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: thought it was this other guy, not a woman, another
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: guy who like because he said parades women around or something.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Parades around, that's what he said. I think something Almos lines.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: So I heard parades women around. I think you're rights,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: but that's I heard parades women around. And so I
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, so you're mad at like booz Spade
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: culture or something like that. And then you said it,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, wait I'm not wrong, but Dylan right, okay
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: myself okay, no.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Don't question yourself said no, I'm so glad you said
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: you were totally like when you said it was all
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: the pieces.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I did I just cuss this guy
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: out from not like I didn't cuss, but like, did
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I just blest this guy from misunderstanding of name.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: No, no, you know you were You were totally right,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: but because that's what I need with my hearing, is
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: like I need the context. So when you gave it
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: to me, like everything he said, I was like, oh,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: yeah he did, okay, gotcha, but yeah that it just
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: felt like such a gotcha, Like yeah, let me see
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: what they say. And that is one of the biggest
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: issues that is facing, like inter intersectional feminism, but like
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: this kind of false feminism that we talk about right,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: usually white feminism, but like, is that I think he
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: was trying to get us to be like, oh, yeah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: that's not a woman.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And I geared he didn't know I was Asian. I
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: don't think any because we didn't have our cameras on
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: for all any other things. And unless you get the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: copy of the book, typically you're not going to see
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: our picture. And if you don't look us up, my
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: name sounds very white. Yeah, And at the end he
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: was so condescending, so he was like, well, that was
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Annie and Samantha, who are very passionate.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Don't back away from hard questions like that.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I think the way he ended it, and I was like, oh,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you're gonna do something with this, You're gonna do because
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: it wasn't this one wasn't live, so it's hate and
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I'm absolutely waiting to see Like I'm like, I feel
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: like I need to put this in like for posterity's sake,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: just just in case. Like he tries to twist words
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and saying things like oh, we don't think she's a
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: woman or something, which is absolutely false in every way.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: But I'm like also very annoyed and angry. I'm like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you know nothing about our book. If that's what you think,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: if that's if you thought we were coming out here
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to be a JK rolling in any way and you
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: did not research, or if you came in here just
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: to be antagonistic, then yeah, you're gonna get a fight
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: because I'm like that I have very like I don't
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: say much. I'm not confrontational if I don't have to be,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: but I will be like that. That's me the liebra.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't like it, but I'll do it,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: and then I'll do it fiercely. But that was one
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of those moments of like, yeah, you're a douchebag, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I see what you're doing. Yeah, Like let me tell
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: my own tale just in case I have to back it.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Up, right, Because then I came in after you spoke,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: and I was like, look, you just I have no
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: context for what you're saying.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Know what to tell. You're like, I agree, And by
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the way, this is pretty much was like, why does
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: this hurt us? Women are not being replaced, that's not
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a thing.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was just such a it's frustrating. And
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I know we're singing to the choir, and I especially,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: you know, for like every intersection of marginalized people were
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: singing to the choir. But it's just so frustrating when
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: we had this conversation with our marketing team and then
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: this happened.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: This is what we were talking about. This is exactly
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: it like.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: And by the way, if you I'm sure no one
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: listening to this is not doesn't believe it, but if
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you don't believe that trans rights are under attack. It
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: got brought up twice in this like number of interviews,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: right and small number of interviews, And we talk about
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: it in the book for sure, but it's not one.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's in the chapter they read if
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: they read anything, but they brought it up.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: They I think I make a mention because we have
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: a excerpt in each of our chapters, or the other
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: kind of pops in. I make an excerpt about trans
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: women and just in just athletes in general who are
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: making history, Like we talk about black women in the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: black community who has made history and who don't get
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: enough credit in that. So like I make mention of it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And there's another like you put a part of it
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: in the LGBTQ, and I think I did too in
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that one too. Like there's so many things like it
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: wasn't a chapter though.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: For sure, And to be fair to the second mention,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell if it was like a positive or
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: negative thing, but they did ask.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that brought that got brought up again reproduct. The
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: price wasn't brought up at all. I'm the one who
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: brought it up a couple of times. Like and you
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: talk about why I was like the chapter. I'm excited
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: about why these chapters are different and why we need
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: to talk about it. But like, yeah, they stuck to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: one except trying to get to gotcha, which was odd.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know we talked about this and the feminists
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: around the world but it was I get it, but
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: it was interesting how many people were like, you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: feminism is a bad word, write that, and like, oh well,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: let me go over it. But it's just it just
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: felt like this is the annoying thing about having a
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: book like this, right, we can't just it has to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: be everyone's being careful about it everyone or trying to
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: get a gotcha from it or something like that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Just again, as we talked about like every time people
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: have a turn in their life, again, this was me
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: in college and being told what a feminis is and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: person saying they're not a feminist. And this was two
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: thousand and one, two thousand and two, so twenty something
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: years ago, twenty two years ago, and again we're still
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: having this conversation. And then the one person, one host,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: who asked us why haven't this should have been we
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: should be so much further down the road, as if
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: it's our fault. And I'm like, bro, you're the one
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that's from the generation that really held back, So what
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you tell me?
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: And I was telling Samantha like we were panicking before this, Yeah.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: And I was telling Samantha like all these conversations they've
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: heard on the radio when I lift over to her house,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and I was really concerned. And I do want to say,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: like some of it was really good, Like some of
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the questions were good, some the conversations were good.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: It was not all bad. But I just feel like
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: there's so much is that sort.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Of yeah, gotcha, you've got to be uh, it's kind
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: of superficial there, right of.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Well, what's your book about women? Do this right?
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: And then then we couldn't be like, we couldn't enteil
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: everything in trying to help talk about the basis of feminism,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: which is why we're like, there's a lot that's been
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: happening in the years, and it's constant fights. So what
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: do you want us to break down exactly in threes
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: three minutes? Do you want us to talk about the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: book or do you talk about feminism? What is it?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Mmmmmmm?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Because it is one and the same. But again, at
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: least the book is scinct. We could give you exact
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: examples of what we're talking about, like outlets, But yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is, Yeah, we have a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: lot of work to do. We have a lot of conversations,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: and unfortunately, in these conversations, people have to be ready
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: if not, we get into these cyclical things of like
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: but why but no this is bad or the trivial
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: misogynistic take on what it is, and it's just, yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: women won't be out in the kitchen. Okay, that's fine,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: go make your money. Be happy to be single. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: we were like, yes, we are happy to be single,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: We gotta ask about like a prince Jarman.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yes when you didn't answer, So he asked us a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: couple of these questions and included the prince Darving, and
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: he didn't answer. So yeah, he turns around and goes, so, Samantha,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: tell me about this prince Charming. There's nothing about that
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: in the book. And I was like, you know what,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: we talk about fictional women who are their own heroes.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: How about that orienta heroes.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: He was a great answer, this is twice.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: And you didn't get the answer. So he asked me directly,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: why you don't want to talk about Prince Darming and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, we don't need it. Why do we
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: need that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I should have been like, you heard princess.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why. I was like, you know, we talk
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: about women's fictional doctor carrying themselves, and that's what we
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: care about. I think I told him a whole bunch
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: of stuff. That's about the Jane collect of doing it all.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Finally came back to the question. I was like, but
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: then the fictional portion of this is the best we
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: got ourselves.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess. Also like, I mean, thank you, Samantha.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like we really came in when the other
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: was needed.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: You did.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Too.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: But also, yeah, if you happen to hear any of
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: these things, Uh, we are not media trained. It's just
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: funny to say, because our job is like, but we
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: we have a script and uh.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It's you and I.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Try to get you no.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: But also yeah, it was very enlightening in a lot
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: of ways about the work that we've got to do.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: For sure, I think there needs to be want more
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: women in that radio. That's the other part to that.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Yep, I agree. I was thinking we should talk about that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I wonder if we could get Amanda from Seattle on
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: our show, like when you Talk more.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: If we offer her a virtual cheeseplate. Kind of did
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: the interview and then maybe well those came into place.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: You gotta sometimes you gotta have a virtual cheeseplate.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Well, thank you for letting me whine about
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: what today was. Again, a lot of it was interesting
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and enjoyable to a certain degree, but a lot of
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: it was very telling about what the industry still looks
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: like today.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and just stressful. We had to get up early,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: so we had to be on.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So you were so on. I was so quiet, you
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: were so on. It was amazing, y'all. If you do
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the chance to listen to it, to it. Just hear
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Annie like her on voice. I was like, well, damn,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: where did that come from?
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I was making jokes.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: She was, aw.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: That's part of the problem. I'll end it on this.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: That's part of the problem.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: That's when you're worried about when you're like making jokes
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: with someone and they say something, you're like, oh no,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: please don't clip.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: The direct it sound like friends. Yeah, you know that's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: we did it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: We did it. Look at us, look at us.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Go well.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Cheers to that. Cheers yes, and cheers to you. Listeners.
• 29:33
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• 29:38
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• 30:04
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• 30:06
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