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Jeffrey Epstein and the de Rothschild Bank’s $25 Million Payday (7/16/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. For about seven years now, I've told you
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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein was a lot more than just the
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Speaker 1: guy who was diddling girls, and that his real function
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Speaker 1: was to hide money. And that's exactly what he did
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Speaker 1: and what he was, and that's why he was indispensable
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Speaker 1: to people like Leon Black and Les Wexner. But Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein couldn't have done any of the things that he
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Speaker 1: did without the financial sector holding his hand the whole
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Speaker 1: entire way. And it's not because they liked him, it's
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Speaker 1: not because they thought he was a cool guy. It's
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Speaker 1: because they were all benefiting. Meanwhile, the rest of us
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Speaker 1: are getting screwed. Today we have an article from CBS
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Speaker 1: News and the headline how Jeffrey Epstein parlayed his elite
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Speaker 1: network into a twenty five million dollar pay day. This
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Speaker 1: article was authored by Daniel Rutnik. When elite Swiss banker
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Speaker 1: Ariander Child, Oh, that's going to get people fired up, right.
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Speaker 1: Anytime you add the roth Childs into anything, people have
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Speaker 1: questions and look rightly, So I think that it's legitimate
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Speaker 1: to ask questions about a banking dynasty that's been around
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Speaker 1: for as long as the roths Child's and during that
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Speaker 1: time they've been up to no good more than once.
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Speaker 1: And as far as I'm concerned, any of these banking
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Speaker 1: clans or these families that have been running these banks
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Speaker 1: for all these years, I don't trust any of them. Again,
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Speaker 1: the financial sector, it's smack dab in the middle of
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Speaker 1: every bit of misery that you suffer through, whether it's COVID,
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Speaker 1: whether it's this, whether it's that you know who always
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Speaker 1: comes out looking rosy with a pocket full of money,
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Speaker 1: that's right. The financial institutions, you know, shows up with
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Speaker 1: nothing but lint in their pockets. That's right. Us when
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Speaker 1: e leads with banker Area and the roth Child sought
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Speaker 1: to extract your company from the teeth of a federal
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Speaker 1: investigation into its role into helping high end custs to
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Speaker 1: mrs hide potentially billions from the irs, document shows she
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Speaker 1: turned to an unexpected American businessman for help, convicted sex
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Speaker 1: offender Jeffrey Epstein. Now keep in mind our government, the
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Speaker 1: United States government, has told us that he was just
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Speaker 1: a run of the mill diddler, that he wasn't somebody
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Speaker 1: that was powerful. He wasn't protected and that everybody should
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Speaker 1: just you know, understand that all of this is a
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Speaker 1: big hoax and it's all way overblown. But the truth is,
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Speaker 1: after all these years, we still have a bunch of
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Speaker 1: questions that need to be answered, and unfortunately, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: look like we're going to get the answers that we need.
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Speaker 1: In this new role, Epstein appears to have helped Edmund
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Speaker 1: the Rothschild, one of Europe's largest private banks, resolve a
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Speaker 1: menacing Justice Department investigation, garnering him a twenty five million
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Speaker 1: dollar fee, and in doing so, he displayed another facet
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Speaker 1: of his ability to tap his network of wealthy and
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Speaker 1: powerful patrons for his personal gain. Come on, that never happened,
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Speaker 1: and the DOJ says that there's nobody else involved. Nobody
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Speaker 1: else was involved in Jeffrey Epstein's crimes, none of them.
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Speaker 1: So that means financial as well. Right, Well, I'm here
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Speaker 1: to tell you the DOJ is lying. And even if
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Speaker 1: you believe that there wasn't this sprawling human trafficking network,
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Speaker 1: how can you deny the money laundering and the financial
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Speaker 1: malfeasance that was occurring. I don't know how anyone serious
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Speaker 1: could ignore all of that, because it's a gigantic deal.
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Speaker 1: You know how many people are sitting in prison right
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Speaker 1: now for the same shit Epstein was up to. As
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Speaker 1: Epstein himself explained in a December eleventh, twenty fifteen a
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Speaker 1: meltoth Child, he had helped negotiate a deal for the
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Speaker 1: bank to pay forty five and a half million to
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Speaker 1: the Irs, ten million in legal fees, and twenty five
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Speaker 1: million to him, which he sold as a bargain all
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Speaker 1: less than eighty million dollars. Pretty good, he wrote. Well,
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Speaker 1: if you think that he was only getting twenty five million,
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Speaker 1: you're wrong. I'm sure that twenty five million grew one
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Speaker 1: way or the other. And as far as the Rothschilds go,
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Speaker 1: they got some questions to answer. And isn't it funny
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Speaker 1: that all of this was occurring under Barack Obama's watch?
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Speaker 1: Why didn't Barack Obama step up? Why didn't his administration
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Speaker 1: step up? Why didn't anybody care? Oh? That's right, because
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Speaker 1: people in his administration were also in Jeffrey Epstein's inner circle.
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Speaker 1: So remember when I told you this was about all
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Speaker 1: of them? Here we are. I mean, people can live
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Speaker 1: in whatever fantasy world they want and try and think
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Speaker 1: that this is only about the opposing team, But the
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Speaker 1: truth is it's about both sides of the isle, and
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Speaker 1: about how both sides of the isle didn't have the
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Speaker 1: courage it took to go after a guy like Epstein
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Speaker 1: when all this information has been out there. Congress will
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Speaker 1: hear from a figure at the center of those negotiations
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, the Swiss banks American lawyer on that map,
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Speaker 1: Kathy Rumler, a former Obama White House attorney, will be
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Speaker 1: appearing before the House Oversight Committee, to answer questions about
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Speaker 1: her documented long standing ties with Epstein. And look, all
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Speaker 1: these Epstein adjacent people in all of these administrations tells
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Speaker 1: you what the problem is. And the problem is these
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Speaker 1: people in general. Okay, all these politicians, all these people
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Speaker 1: that get elected, how do you think they do that?
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Speaker 1: Who do you think pays the bills? And when you
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Speaker 1: go on you look at like the transition committees when
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Speaker 1: somebody's voted president, they're just filled with bankers and people
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Speaker 1: from Wall Street. And look at the administration today, same
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Speaker 1: kind of people. Right, And let's be real, what do
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Speaker 1: they know about our struggle? What do they know about
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Speaker 1: getting up every day going to work for sixteen hours?
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Speaker 1: A day, just so you could feed your family and
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Speaker 1: have some semblance of a life. What do they know
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Speaker 1: about that? Nothing? But they sure do act like they're
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Speaker 1: for the common man, don't they. We're here for you.
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Speaker 1: We stand with you as they go and eat caviar
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Speaker 1: and chew down one hundred and fifty dollars stakes on
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Speaker 1: the taxpayer's name, But sure they care about you. Enjoy
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Speaker 1: those cube steaks, enjoy that rice. The whole thing is absurd,
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Speaker 1: And I'm tired of making pretend that one side's better
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Speaker 1: than the other, because it's not true, especially when it
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Speaker 1: comes to this issue. A review of documents from the
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Speaker 1: Epstein files released by the DOJ reveals details about his
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Speaker 1: involvement in that settlement and how he achieved the mega payout.
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Speaker 1: What emerges is a glimpse that how Epstein mastered the
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Speaker 1: appearance of expertise, combined it with the talent for brokering relationships,
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Speaker 1: and through minimal work, parlate it into immense wealth. They're
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Speaker 1: still missing the point, and the point is that wasn't
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Speaker 1: all that was going on. Jeffrey Epstein had ties to
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Speaker 1: the DOJ, and it was through those ties, through those channels,
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Speaker 1: that he was able to reach out and get this
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Speaker 1: movement in the right direction for the Rothschilds. You don't
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Speaker 1: have to be fucking inspector Gadget to figure this out.
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Speaker 1: The Justice Department launched an investigation it called the Swiss
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Speaker 1: Bank Program in August of twenty thirteen. It was based
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Speaker 1: on allegations at certain Swiss banks, including Rothschilds, had assisted
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Speaker 1: Americans in hiding assets through a variety of means, including
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Speaker 1: concealing ownership of accounts. Well that's what they do. I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on, and if you think that it's just the Rothschilds,
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Speaker 1: you're crazy, because this is how they move. The systems
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Speaker 1: set up so that people like this can hide their money.
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Speaker 1: And that's just the truth. They get to hide their
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Speaker 1: money while you got to pony it up. Epstein and
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Speaker 1: Arian the rothschild the bank's leader, were first introduced that
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Speaker 1: same year by a mutual friend email show. Epstein had
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Speaker 1: finished up his period of incarceration and house arrest in
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Speaker 1: twenty eleven following his plea deal for soliciting a minor
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Speaker 1: for prostitution, and was a registered sex offender, but his
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Speaker 1: social and business calendar remained full well. Because people wanted
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Speaker 1: something and they knew he could get it for them,
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Speaker 1: And like I've told you from the very goddamn beginning,
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Speaker 1: the only sin to these people is being broke, not
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Speaker 1: hurting kids, not hurting other people being broke. Epstein quickly
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Speaker 1: began offering advice to Rothschild. Soon after their first meeting,
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Speaker 1: Rothschild wrote to Epstein, thank you much for sharing your
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Speaker 1: thoughts with me. I truly appreciate it, as you well
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Speaker 1: know how few people do so and have the courage
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Speaker 1: of their opinions. Ah yeah, thanks so much, you child.
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Speaker 1: Molested piece of shit. I can save another twenty five
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Speaker 1: million because this diddler bundled my money, colored it up,
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Speaker 1: and laundered it. Let's just call this shit what it is, please,
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, enough is enough. People who interacted
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Speaker 1: with Epstein at the time told CBS News that the academics, financiers,
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Speaker 1: and Dippler who continued their association with him gave him
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Speaker 1: a patina of respectability, persuading them to ignore his past crimes.
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Speaker 1: Such a bullshit excuse. Oh well, because Bill Gates hangs
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Speaker 1: out with him, so should I. Here's an idea. Do
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Speaker 1: your due diligence. You better look up who you're hanging
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Speaker 1: out with, you better know who you're accepting money from.
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Speaker 1: And if not, don't come crying to us when you're
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Speaker 1: exposed as the Diddler's top man, because guess what, we
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Speaker 1: don't care. Epstein's criminal charges and the resulting negative publicity had, however,
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Speaker 1: led to his loss of the billionaire retail magnate Leslie
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Speaker 1: Wexner as a client who had been the main source
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Speaker 1: of Epstein's wealth for over a decade. Payments from the
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Speaker 1: financier Leon Black, allegedly for tax and his stay planning.
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Speaker 1: We're now bringing in tens of millions of dollars, allowing
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Speaker 1: him to continue his lavish lifestyle. Oh yeah, because it
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Speaker 1: was all about tax, right. I'm sure that he paid
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Speaker 1: all that money just for tax advice makes a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of sense. In a statement to Congress, Black called
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Speaker 1: epstein services highly valuable, and he said Epstein's work on
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Speaker 1: his taxes was responsible for billions of dollars in savings
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Speaker 1: and had been vetted by reputable law and accounting firms.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just use one of those accounting firms.
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Speaker 1: Why are you using Jeffrey Epstein. He's not an accountant,
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Speaker 1: not even a Wall Street guy. So what makes you
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Speaker 1: think that he has the moves. Well, that's right, because
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Speaker 1: you know he's a criminal, and not only did Leon
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Speaker 1: Black know that, in my opinion, he utilized it that
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Speaker 1: way he didn't have to pay taxes. It's really not
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Speaker 1: that complicated. People like this are greedy as fuck, always
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Speaker 1: have been, always will be. Epstein's criminal charges and the
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Speaker 1: resulting negative publicity had, however, led to his loss of
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Speaker 1: the billionaire retail magnate Leslie Wexner as a client who
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Speaker 1: had been the main source of Epstein's wealth for over
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Speaker 1: a decade. Payments from financier early on Black, allegedly for
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Speaker 1: tax and estate planning, were now bringing in tens of
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Speaker 1: millions of dollars, allowing him to continue his lavish lifestyle.
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Speaker 1: In a statement to Congress, Black called epstein services highly valuable,
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Speaker 1: and he said Epstein's work on his taxes was responsible
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Speaker 1: for billions of dollars in savings, and he had been
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Speaker 1: vetted by reputable law and accounting firms. But email show
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Speaker 1: Epstein was still on the hunt for other sources of income.
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Speaker 1: Of course, grifters are going to drift. The guy never
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Speaker 1: had enough, always needed more. Greed Rothschild had married into
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Speaker 1: the famous banking family and had been handling operation duties
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Speaker 1: there since the mid nineties. Suddenly, the bank was facing
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Speaker 1: an existential moment as the US government threatened major fines
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Speaker 1: and potential charges enter Epstein. As of June of twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 1: Epstein sent an email to Rothschild saying, if I can
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Speaker 1: be helpful, I would be glad to I expect no,
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Speaker 1: nor do I want any financial relationship of any kind.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing this as my way to do good and
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Speaker 1: to repay a deep debt that I feel I owe
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Speaker 1: to Edmund. This appears to be reference to her father
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Speaker 1: in law, Edmund Adolph the Rothschild, the bank's founder, who
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Speaker 1: died in nineteen ninety seven. Can you imagine what he
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Speaker 1: owed to him? Probably a bunch of money for whatever
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Speaker 1: kind of bullshit Epstein was up to. Remember, Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: got his start running guns, Iran Contra, etc. So all
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Speaker 1: these people in the financial sector that were big wigs
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Speaker 1: back then, you know, they played their part. In the
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Speaker 1: summer of twenty fourteen, Rumler had just left the Obama
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Speaker 1: White House, where she had served as White House counsel,
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Speaker 1: and returned to Lathan Watkins, the law firm she had
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Speaker 1: departed five and a half years earlier. Her return came
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Speaker 1: with the expectation that she would leverage her experience and
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Speaker 1: connections to bring significant new business to the firm. Well
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Speaker 1: that's how it works, right, They hire these ex you know,
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Speaker 1: White House Council, Attorney generals, whatever, hoping it brings a
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Speaker 1: little prestige and some more business to the firm. Rumler
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Speaker 1: had also previously served as prosecutor at the Department of Justice,
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Speaker 1: where she helped secure convictions of Enron executives. Her legal
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Speaker 1: credentials were so highly regarded that she would soon be
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Speaker 1: considered a potential nominee to serve as the next Attorney General. Boy,
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Speaker 1: we dodged a bullet, didn't we imagine this lady as
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Speaker 1: Attorney General? Jeffrey Epstein's pal. I mean, it wouldn't shock me,
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Speaker 1: But considering what we know now, can you imagine the
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Speaker 1: scandal that would have been if she was Attorney general?
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Speaker 1: At some point? It's unclear how Rumler first came Depstein's attention.
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Speaker 1: Email correspondence between the two began in the summer of
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Rumler has said that Epstein Cole called her
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Speaker 1: and offered to arrange a meeting with Bill Gates, an
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Speaker 1: opportunity that was both professionally attractive and potentially highly lucrative.
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Speaker 1: In September twenty fourteen, Epstein introduced Rumler to Herrothchild a
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Speaker 1: mutual friendship. An agreement to work together was quickly cemented.
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Speaker 1: By October, just five months after leaving public service, Rumler
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Speaker 1: appeared to have begun meeting with Justice Department lawyers on
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Speaker 1: behalf of the bank. Yeah, nothing goofy to see here,
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Speaker 1: And that's what these prosecutors do. I mean, look at
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Speaker 1: all the prosecutors from Florida that switch sides working for
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Speaker 1: the government and then right away going work for Epstein.
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Speaker 1: He had no conflict of interest, right, nothing to see here.
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Speaker 1: Rumler has previously said that she only shared a client
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Speaker 1: with Epstein, but documents released last fall by the House
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Speaker 1: Oversight Committee and by the DOJ in January suggested that
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Speaker 1: the relationship grew more. Personal. Emails showed that she sometimes
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Speaker 1: addressed him as uncle Jeffrey and accepted expensive gifts from him.
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Speaker 1: Their correspondence continued until Epstein's death in twenty nineteen. A
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Speaker 1: search of the Epstein files reveals nearly ten thousand results
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Speaker 1: for her name. But we were just acquaintances. He only
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Speaker 1: had a couple of questions for me. Really nothing to
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Speaker 1: see here, Come on, I shouldn't have to answer any
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Speaker 1: questions in front of Congress. Epstein opened doors and provided
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Speaker 1: opportunities to meet some of the richest and most influential
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Speaker 1: people in the world, including Gates, Peter Thiel, and former
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Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister at Whood Barack. Their friendship proved lucrative
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Speaker 1: for both of them. Survivors and advocates have accused her
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Speaker 1: of turning a blind eye in the interest of advancing
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Speaker 1: her own career, and I agree with that that's exactly
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Speaker 1: what happened. And there's a lot of people that did that,
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Speaker 1: not just Rumler, but a whole lot of people. In
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Speaker 1: a statement to CBS News, a spokesperson for Rumler said,
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Speaker 1: as has Bin well established, Miss Rumler knew him in
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Speaker 1: private practice. He was a referral source, including referring the
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Speaker 1: Rothschild Bank, and she did not see or hear anything
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Speaker 1: to suggest that Epstein was abusing women. No, didn't ask
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Speaker 1: her questions about how to get out of his trouble. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I guess Miss Rumler has been open and transparent about
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Speaker 1: her interactions with Jeffrey Epstein when she was a defense
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Speaker 1: lawyer in private practice many years ago. She has done
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong and had no knowledge of any ongoing criminal
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Speaker 1: activity on his part. Well, I don't believe you, but okay.
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Speaker 1: Over the next few months, Rumler and her team traveled
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Speaker 1: to Switzerland to do the laborious work of analyzing client
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Speaker 1: files to counter DOJ claims and find ways to reduce
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Speaker 1: the bank's fine. According to a source familiar with the discussions,
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Speaker 1: that was followed up with meeting after meeting in Washington,
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Speaker 1: d C. With the DJ to hammer out all the terms.
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Speaker 1: All the while Epstein monitored developments, but according to a
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Speaker 1: source involved, he had no direct role in the actual work.
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Speaker 1: Let me just break the story open for you, kay,
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Speaker 1: Catherine Rumler, she was the proxy, She was the beard.
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Speaker 1: She was working on Epstein's behalf. There you go. There's
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Speaker 1: the story. That summer, with the bank facing a fine
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Speaker 1: that Rumler said could be as high as five hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty six million, Epstein broached payment with Rothschild for
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Speaker 1: the first time. If you choose to have me and
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Speaker 1: my team involved DOJ negotiation et cetera, structuring family kbl
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Speaker 1: et cetera, we should be able to invent a method
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Speaker 1: of compensation. He wrote, I spoke with Kathy about an
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Speaker 1: idea last night, and she or I can fill you
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Speaker 1: in if you choose you want it? And how much
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Speaker 1: do you want to bet that miss Rumbler is going
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Speaker 1: to come down with the case of amnesia when she's
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Speaker 1: in front of Congress later on. A few days later,
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Speaker 1: Epstein wrote to Rumler laying out a plan. If the
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Speaker 1: fine was one hundred and fifty million to two hundred million,
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Speaker 1: he'd receive five million. If it was one hundred million
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Speaker 1: to one hundred and fifty million, he'd get ten million,
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Speaker 1: and under one hundred million, his fee would shoot up
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Speaker 1: to twenty five million. In the documents, Rumler never acknowledged
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Speaker 1: that proposal, but in the same email chain, she proposes
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Speaker 1: high hiring Epstein as a consultant through a refirm to
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Speaker 1: avoid issues you were concerned about, and that from a
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Speaker 1: privileged perspective, that's the best way to do it. As
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Speaker 1: DOJ negotiations continued. A payment agreement between Rothschild's bank and
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Speaker 1: Epstein's company, Southern Trust, was formalized on October fifth, The
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Speaker 1: agreement said that Epstein was involved in a risk analysis
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Speaker 1: for the Rothschild group. Two months later, Rothschild wrote Epstein
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Speaker 1: with two words forty five mio, a reference to the
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Speaker 1: DOJ's agreement to settle matters for around forty five million.
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Speaker 1: Epstein would make his maximum pay day of twenty five million.
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Speaker 1: The two firms actually representing the bank apparently would receive
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Speaker 1: a combined ten million for their work. Shortly after the
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Speaker 1: DOJ sent out a press release announcing the agreement, two
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Speaker 1: days later, the first to two money transfers landed in
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Speaker 1: Epstein's bank account record show that week, Epstein's assistant arranged
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Speaker 1: for the purchase and delivery of a new television for Rumler.
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Speaker 1: So why was Barack Obama's former council involved in this
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Speaker 1: like that? And who at the DOJ thought it would
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Speaker 1: be a good idea to play ball? Those are all
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Speaker 1: questions that have to be asked because we have to
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Speaker 1: be very clear that this cover up didn't start with Trump.
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Speaker 1: This cover up has been going on since the first
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Speaker 1: Clinton administration. Now what we see with the current administration
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Speaker 1: is it accelerating. But it didn't start here, and we
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Speaker 1: have to be honest about that. In a recent interview
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Speaker 1: in The New York Times an opinion section, she said
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Speaker 1: that she did not understand the full extent of his
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Speaker 1: crimes until she was sitting in a courtroom following his
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen arrest on federal sex trafficking charges and heard
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Speaker 1: the details of the charges read out by the prosecution.
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Speaker 1: A spokesperson for Edmund the Rothschild Group declined to comment,
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Speaker 1: and Latham Watkins did not respond to multiple inquiries. Oh,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to They're not going to say shit.
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Speaker 1: And I think that when we get Ms Rumler in
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Speaker 1: front of Congress, it's going to be a whole bunch
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Speaker 1: of I can't recall. I don't know, and I wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: But the truth obviously is much deeper than that, and
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Speaker 1: their relationship was much stronger. But I have no confidence
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Speaker 1: that Congress is going to dig deep because so far
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Speaker 1: they haven't. It's all been service level. Nobody's been held accountable,
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like anybody will be held accountable.
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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens here and we'll keep an
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Speaker 1: eye on it, and when we have some more information
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Speaker 1: one way or the other, we'll get that added to
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Speaker 1: the catalog as well. All the information that goes with
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