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Mega Edition: Hillary Clinton And Her Epstein Related Talk With Congress (Part 5-8) (11/8/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up
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Speaker 1: where we left off with the Hillary Clinton transcript from
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Speaker 1: her trip to Congress. So they had their big fight,
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Speaker 1: Clinton walked out, but she comes back. We'll go back
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Speaker 1: on the record. The majority's time had approximately five minutes
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Speaker 1: left and then I believe that the witness or her
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Speaker 1: counsel would like to make a quick statement. Lawyer for Clinton,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. We've just used the break because
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Speaker 1: we learned during the process of this hearing that the
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Speaker 1: committee was violating its own rules. And members, tweeting and
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Speaker 1: sharing pictures of what is going on inside this closed hearing,
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Speaker 1: the hearing that we've asked repeatedly to be open to
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Speaker 1: the public. Chairman Comer was gracious enough to engage with
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Speaker 1: me on this matter. We asked specifically to invite the
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Speaker 1: press in since the committee has already made the decision
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Speaker 1: on its own unilaterally to release pictures and other things
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Speaker 1: that are going on in the room. He indicated that
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Speaker 1: he wanted to speak to that himself directly. I'd like
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Speaker 1: just to say for the record, we find it unacceptable,
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Speaker 1: we find it unprofessional, and we find it unfair. We're
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Speaker 1: looking forward to this being conducted under the rules and
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Speaker 1: being conducted consistent with the expectations of how these members
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Speaker 1: of Congress, I know, take this matter so seriously and
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Speaker 1: do it in that vein. We would also like to
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Speaker 1: indicate as a practical reality that we are here in
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Speaker 1: good faith. We're counting on the good faith of all
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Speaker 1: the members. Thank you, Chairman Comer. Chairman Comer, yeah, I'd
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Speaker 1: like to stay for the record. I've advised my members
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Speaker 1: that no photos or videos during the deposition can be released.
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Speaker 1: I understand the posted photo was taken before the deposition started.
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Speaker 1: That will not happen again, and we will look forward
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Speaker 1: to continuing with the deposition. Clinton's lawyer again. I'd just
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Speaker 1: like to make the clarification, Mr. Chairman. It was taken
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Speaker 1: in this room after the witness sat down. It's not basis.
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Speaker 1: that because she had not started speaking, that it would
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Speaker 1: be appropriate for there to have been a release of
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Speaker 1: anything that was occurring in this room. Comer, and we
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Speaker 1: made clear that it's not allowed. And I will also say,
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Speaker 1: we were disappointed that the secretary's opening statement was leaked
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Speaker 1: to the press before she even gave her opening statement.
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Speaker 1: Lawyer for Clinton, so the secretary's statement was not leaked
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Speaker 1: to the press. It was provided, as with other witnesses,
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Speaker 1: including Mr. Wexner, who provided his before giving, hers was
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Speaker 1: given simultaneously. And so what we don't want is the
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Speaker 1: secretary to be treated any differently than other witnesses. That
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Speaker 1: seems to be a consistent pattern, and we would love
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Speaker 1: that pattern not to continue. Oh, please, her and Bill
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Speaker 1: Clinton were white-gloved. And that's not me telling you that.
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Speaker 1: If you look at all of the depositions we've been through,
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Speaker 1: that's very obvious. Comer. We've gone through great lengths to
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Speaker 1: make all the accommodations that you've requested, so we will again,
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Speaker 1: the members, have been advised, that's unacceptable. We look forward
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Speaker 1: to continuing the deposition. Thank you very much, Chairman. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate you addressing it. Now it's Robert Garcia. Thank you. No,
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Speaker 1: I just want to add, it's completely unacceptable that Oversight Republicans,
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Speaker 1: and its members in this moment, chose to violate both
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Speaker 1: committee rules and the agreement that they negotiated directly with
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Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton. Now the Clintons requested a public hearing specifically
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Speaker 1: to avoid this exact situation. Now Secretary Clinton is offered
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Speaker 1: to continue speaking throughout this deposition. If we also allow
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Speaker 1: the press to come in, on the record. Now the
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Speaker 1: majority has continued to refuse this. I want to make
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Speaker 1: very clear for the record, oversight Democrats agree today. They
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Speaker 1: should be allowed here in the deposition. That's been our
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Speaker 1: position from day one. Thank you. Yo, your position has
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Speaker 1: been to protect the Clintons. That's what's going on. Has
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Speaker 1: anybody ever really dug deep here? They just take their
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Speaker 1: answers for what they are? Okay, I guess. And with that,
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Speaker 1: the majority will conclude its first hour. We'll go off
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Speaker 1: the record. So they come back on the record, and
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Speaker 1: the lawyer for Clinton once again jumps in. Yes, I would.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I'd like to say I appreciate everyone
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Speaker 1: being here today. But I want to start with, we've
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Speaker 1: just learned that there has been a second violation of
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Speaker 1: the promise that the chairman made with respect to no
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Speaker 1: photos being taken in this room during the hearings. As
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Speaker 1: you know, we've asked for and did ask Mr. Comer
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Speaker 1: for the press to be invited in. They are sitting
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Speaker 1: right outside. Literally. He's been speaking with them, and we've
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Speaker 1: been asked that they be invited in at the last
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Speaker 1: break because we learned that there was a member who
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Speaker 1: was sharing photos from inside this room in violation of
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Speaker 1: this committee's own rules. We have now been presented with
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Speaker 1: a second photo of the witness, Secretary Clinton, while she's
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Speaker 1: been testifying in this room. Much ado about nothing. God,
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Speaker 1: such a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. That is
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Speaker 1: completely inconsistent with the rules. It's completely in violation. And
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Speaker 1: it's also in violation of the promise that Mr. Comer
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Speaker 1: just made with respect to it would not happen again.
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Speaker 1: And indeed it did. And so I would like to
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Speaker 1: ensure that when we go back on the record, and
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Speaker 1: when Mr. Comer elects to rejoin the room, I note
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Speaker 1: he has left for the record, I would like to
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Speaker 1: be able to ensure that we address that. Or sorry,
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Speaker 1: he has not left, he's down at the end. There's
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Speaker 1: been a second violation, Mr. Chairman. So now... I do
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Speaker 1: really feel that it would be appropriate for the press
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Speaker 1: to be invited in, because someone has already violated the
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Speaker 1: commitment and promise you made that there would not be
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Speaker 1: any further violations. Well, here's the thing. The press should
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Speaker 1: have been there, and Clinton should have been in D.C.
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Speaker 1: They shouldn't have went to her house, just like they
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have went to Les Wexner's house. Bring your bitch
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Speaker 1: ass to D.C. Question, do you have a copy of
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Speaker 1: the picture? Answer, I'm confident that the one individual here
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Speaker 1: can share with you a copy of the picture, and
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Speaker 1: I'd rather that at this point we invite the press in. Comer,
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Speaker 1: we don't know who's in that picture. Question, we're going
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Speaker 1: to show the photo. Comer, it's from who? Answer, I
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Speaker 1: believe it's the same influencer, Emily, go with Andrew, to
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Speaker 1: make sure we have the same. Another stupid fucking influencer. Question, Mr. Chairman,
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Speaker 1: will you allow the press in at this time? Since
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Speaker 1: there has been a second violation of your clear guidance,
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Speaker 1: that no further pictures... We'll go off the record. So
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Speaker 1: they go off the record, now they're back on. Lawyer
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Speaker 1: for Clinton speaking again. Thank you very much. We've examined
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Speaker 1: the second photo that was taken inside the room in
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Speaker 1: violation of the committee's rules, Mr. Chairman. You've indicated that
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Speaker 1: you will assure that it will not happen again. Mr. Chairman,
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Speaker 1: we continue to believe that the remedy for this is
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Speaker 1: to invite the press in. At this juncture, we believe
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Speaker 1: that there is no reason not to do so. We
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Speaker 1: recognize that you continue to resist having the press join,
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Speaker 1: but if you would like, we would welcome that. Otherwise,
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Speaker 1: we would welcome no further violations. Comer, what was that
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Speaker 1: last part? You would welcome? Answer, I know it's hard
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Speaker 1: to hear without amplification. Comer, no further violation. No further violations.
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Speaker 1: But I would like to note one thing, if I may.
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Speaker 1: A New York Times reporter tweeted that her damn member
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Speaker 1: in the room, and then she said that Maxwell was
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Speaker 1: at Chelsea's wedding because she was dating a friend who
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Speaker 1: brought her on as a plus one. So there's a
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Speaker 1: Democrat member leaking to the press that's going on here,
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Speaker 1: according to Annie Carney. Do you guys see what the
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Speaker 1: problem is here? These motherfuckers can't do the job. All
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Speaker 1: these people that you love to fight about, these elected officials,
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Speaker 1: they're all garbage. Do better. At some point, we, the voters,
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Speaker 1: have to look in the mirror because we keep sending
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Speaker 1: the same morons back to D.C. and we keep getting
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Speaker 1: the same results. Clinton's lawyer. So, Mr. Chairman, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much. I know part of this is always about
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Speaker 1: the tit for tat, and I think that's what we're
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Speaker 1: trying to address. We're here, and we're speaking with respect
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Speaker 1: to the witness, and what has been a violation of
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Speaker 1: a photo of her inside this room. I'm not trying
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Speaker 1: to get anybody else's First Amendment rights. When it comes
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Speaker 1: to the photo, please instruct your member to take it
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Speaker 1: down until after. Comer, I have. Answer, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Nothing further. Now we have the next person asking questions.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Good afternoon. Clinton, good afternoon. Question, my name is, redacted,
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Speaker 1: I'll be doing most of the questioning for the minority today. First,
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for your long and distinguished
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Speaker 1: service to this country. Here comes the glazing. Answer, thank you. Question,
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Speaker 1: I also want to thank you for your time today.
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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Answer, thank you. Question, before we get
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Speaker 1: to questions, I'd like to take a few minutes and
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Speaker 1: highlight some context that we think is relevant for today's conversation.
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Speaker 1: To be candid with you, it's not clear to us
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Speaker 1: that you have much information to share with this committee
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Speaker 1: that would be relevant to our investigation of Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: For example, I would like to introduce as Minority Exhibit
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Speaker 1: A this excerpt from Glenn Maxwell's interview with Deputy Attorney
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Speaker 1: General Todd Blanch. I'll read out loud the relevant excerpt
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Speaker 1: for you. You can see that Ms. Maxwell was asked, quote,
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Speaker 1: Do you know whether Mr. Epstein had, knew, or had
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Speaker 1: any sort of visit, dealings, or associated with Hillary Clinton?
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Speaker 1: And Ms. Maxwell said, quote, I would say no. So Ms.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell is your witness? That's your testimony? That's who you're
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Speaker 1: basing this on? Okay, cool. Ms. Maxwell was asked, quote,
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Speaker 1: did you ever see them together? Ms. Maxwell said no.
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Speaker 1: So there are some events we're aware of where you
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Speaker 1: might have been in the same place as Mr. Epstein
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Speaker 1: or Ms. Maxwell at the same time. We'll ask about those.
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Speaker 1: But we're a little confused about why we're even here.
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Speaker 1: And there it is. There it is, folks, in plain English.
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Speaker 1: We're confused why we're here? No, we're not. What I'm
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Speaker 1: confused about is why you're not asking her why she
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Speaker 1: gave Glenn Maxwell's nephew a job at the State Department.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we should ask her about that. And save the
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Speaker 1: whole Ted weight and Glenn Maxwell being his plus one
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Speaker 1: for somebody else. Total bullshit. I imagine you might have
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Speaker 1: your own perspective on this. You shared a little bit
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Speaker 1: of that earlier. Is there anything more you'd like to
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Speaker 1: share from your point of view on today's conversation before
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Speaker 1: we get started? Clinton, thank you very much, counsel. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate your recognition of the context. Thank you. I understand
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Speaker 1: that that was a decision made to subpoena me, and
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Speaker 1: I thought I would have been more appropriate to treat
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Speaker 1: me in the context in which you have just placed me.
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Speaker 1: That's why I offered a sworn statement. outlining my lack
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Speaker 1: of knowledge with respect to either Epstein or Maxwell and
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Speaker 1: the crimes that were committed. But the majority of the committee,
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Speaker 1: and then the entire committee, determined that they wished to
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Speaker 1: talk to me. Well, because you've lied time and time again.
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Speaker 1: Were you or were you not at Zorro Ranch? And
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Speaker 1: if you say no, you're committing perjury, okay? Multiple witnesses,
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Speaker 1: including Virginia. And it's still somewhat of a puzzle for
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Speaker 1: me to be here and trying to answer your questions
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Speaker 1: to the best of my ability because I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's a good use of the committee's time. The matters
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Speaker 1: that are included with the broad scope of the investigation
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Speaker 1: as described by the chairman are ones that I take
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Speaker 1: very seriously, and I would personally like to see the
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Speaker 1: committee pay attention to those who have information that could
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Speaker 1: be responsive. Question? Thank you. I appreciate it. I'd like
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Speaker 1: to start our conversation with a few foundational questions so
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Speaker 1: we can get a clear record from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: And you've covered some of this earlier, but I want
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Speaker 1: to be really clear for the transcript. Before his crimes
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Speaker 1: became public, Did you have any knowledge of the sexual
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Speaker 1: abuse that Jeffrey Epstein was committing against young girls or women? Answer, no.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.
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Speaker 1: And in the next episode, we're going to pick up
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Speaker 1: where we left off. All the information that goes with
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Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
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Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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Speaker 1: off with the Hillary Clinton transcript from her trip to Congress. Question.
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Speaker 1: Our colleagues have suggested that they need to speak with
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Speaker 1: you because Glenn Maxwell's nephew worked for you or your
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Speaker 1: 2008 presidential campaign and then at the State Department when
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Speaker 1: you were Secretary of State. That is somebody named Alexander Derossi.
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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Alexander Derossi? Answer, I am. Alex
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Speaker 1: Derossi volunteered for my 2008 presidential campaign. I didn't know him.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what motivated him to be a volunteer,
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Speaker 1: but he proved to be a very effective contributor to
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Speaker 1: the campaign. He earned a paid position on the campaign.
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Speaker 1: All of my staff that interacted with him on the
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Speaker 1: campaign had a very high regard for his intelligence and
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Speaker 1: his skill. He's an extremely well-educated young man. And when
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Speaker 1: I became Secretary of State, he was recommended for a
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Speaker 1: job that he was well-suited for. I had absolutely no
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Speaker 1: idea that he was in any way related to Glenn
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Speaker 1: Maxwell until I received a subpoena from this committee suggesting
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Speaker 1: that he was. And that was the first I knew
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Speaker 1: of it. Oh, bullshit. What a goddamn lie. Holy cow. question,
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Speaker 1: so it's fair to say that as far as you know, Mr.
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Speaker 1: DeRossi was not hired for your campaign or at the
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Speaker 1: State Department because he was Glenn Maxwell's nephew? Answer, that
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Speaker 1: is absolutely fair to say, and I can't speak for
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Speaker 1: everyone in my campaign. Obviously, it's a huge enterprise, but
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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if anyone knew that he was related
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Speaker 1: to Glenn Maxwell, but I can absolutely testify to the
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Speaker 1: fact I did not know. Question, are there any other
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Speaker 1: accusations or claims that have been made against you with
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Speaker 1: respect to Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell that you'd like
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Speaker 1: to address before we move into some chronological questions? Give
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Speaker 1: her every out possible. This is a sham, and I
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Speaker 1: don't care what side of the aisle you're on, it
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Speaker 1: should disgust you. Answer, well, I don't keep up with
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Speaker 1: all the conspiracy theories and all the crazy allegations that
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Speaker 1: populate the internet, so I'm sure there are, but I'll
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Speaker 1: do my best to answer your questions as you pose them.
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Speaker 1: Question okay. I'll ask a series of chronological questions. I
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Speaker 1: know most of these are from long time ago. If
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Speaker 1: you don't recall, just tell me that you don't recall.
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Speaker 1: As an initial matter, would you recall roughly how many
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Speaker 1: events and receptions would you have attended at the White
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Speaker 1: House during your time as First Lady? Answer, well, I
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Speaker 1: was privileged to be at the White House as First
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Speaker 1: Lady for eight years. And I have no way of
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Speaker 1: giving you an accurate number, but they would be in
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Speaker 1: the thousands. and they were one of the greatest privileges
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Speaker 1: of being in the White House, hosting events, hosting meetings,
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Speaker 1: meeting people, using the rooms of the White House, using
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Speaker 1: the grounds of the White House. So many hundreds, maybe
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Speaker 1: thousands of events, but many, many thousands of people. Question,
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Speaker 1: and I was just going to ask if I could
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Speaker 1: estimate how many people you might have met at those
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Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of events and receptions. Answer, well, counsel,
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Speaker 1: I can't say I met every person who attended an event,
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Speaker 1: and so I can't really give you an accurate number.
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Speaker 1: but if the event was a smaller event, perhaps I
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Speaker 1: would meet everyone. But for most of the large events
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Speaker 1: that we hosted, it was hit or miss if I
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Speaker 1: met somebody or didn't meet somebody. For the huge Christmas reception,
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Speaker 1: which were thousands of people that would come enjoy the
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Speaker 1: holiday decorations at the White House, so I can't really
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Speaker 1: give you a total clear answer other than that, but
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Speaker 1: I did my best to greet people and to be
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Speaker 1: appropriate hostess because I took seriously my responsibility as the
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Speaker 1: First Lady. Question, so Mr. Epstein visited the White House.
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Speaker 1: a fair amount during your husband's first term in office. One,
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Speaker 1: and I think the only specific event that we're aware of,
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Speaker 1: where you may have been present, was, as you mentioned earlier,
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Speaker 1: a September 29, 1993 reception for donors to a White
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Speaker 1: House renovation project that was funded through the White House
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Speaker 1: Historical Association. And our understanding is that there was some
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Speaker 1: kind of reception that night. Do you have any recollection
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Speaker 1: of attending that event or that reception? Answer, I have
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Speaker 1: no specific recollection, but I know that I was expected to,
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Speaker 1: and I assume I did, but I can't sitting here
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Speaker 1: today describe anything specific about that event. And I was
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Speaker 1: very anxious to support fundraising that went to the White
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Speaker 1: House Historical Association that in turn supported the upkeep, the
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Speaker 1: maintenance of the White House. Because certainly it was an
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Speaker 1: old building with a lot of very valuable furniture and art,
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Speaker 1: and it took a lot of wear and tear because
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Speaker 1: I just finished explaining we had thousands of people who
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Speaker 1: would come through. And I'm not even talking about visitors
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Speaker 1: who would come through because that was many, many more thousand.
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Speaker 1: So the house itself needed to be carefully cared for.
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Speaker 1: And so my husband and I hosted the events and
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Speaker 1: the White House Historical Association brought those who contributed because
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Speaker 1: it was ultimately beneficial for the White House. Question. Would
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Speaker 1: it be correct to say that sitting here today, you
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Speaker 1: have no specific memory or recollection of meeting Mr. Epstein
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Speaker 1: or Ms. Maxwell at the event in 93? Answer. No.
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Speaker 1: That's an accurate statement. In fact, when I got the subpoena,
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Speaker 1: I was incredulous because I never thought I was in
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Speaker 1: the same room with Jeffrey Epstein. And it was brought
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Speaker 1: to my attention that he was very likely to have
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Speaker 1: attended the White House Historical Association, but I have no
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Speaker 1: independent recollection of that. Question, okay, it's been publicly reported
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Speaker 1: that Mr. Epstein visited the White House 16 other times
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Speaker 1: during your husband's first term. He was signed in by
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Speaker 1: different staff members and visited different parts of the White House.
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Speaker 1: Broadly speaking, Do you have any memory or knowledge of
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Speaker 1: any other visit by Jeffrey Epstein to the White House
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Speaker 1: other than the ones we just discussed? Answer, not that
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Speaker 1: I recall, but I want to be clear. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean that I didn't pass somebody in the hallway, that
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Speaker 1: somebody didn't pop in, but I have no recollection of
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Speaker 1: meeting him, seeing him, conversing with him in the White House. Question,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to fast forward all the way to 1999.
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Speaker 1: We believe that Mr. Epstein contributed $ 20, 000 to joint fundraising
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Speaker 1: account with the Democratic Party. Would you have any specific memory, knowledge,
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Speaker 1: or recollection of that particular contribution sitting here today? Answer,
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Speaker 1: I do not. And again, this was something that I
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Speaker 1: learned about in preparation for testifying. And as you point out, counsel,
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Speaker 1: the contribution went to the joint committee that was set
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Speaker 1: up to support my Senate campaign. And again, my memory
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Speaker 1: is that we couldn't coordinate between joint committees and campaigns.
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Speaker 1: I mean, those were the rules back in the day,
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Speaker 1: as I recall them. So I don't have any recollection
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Speaker 1: at all. that I knew he contributed to my campaign,
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Speaker 1: and he did not contribute as far as I know directly,
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Speaker 1: but then this indirect contribution to the joint committee, I
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Speaker 1: don't recall that, I knew that at the time, and
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Speaker 1: I was surprised to learn in preparation for testifying. Question,
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Speaker 1: so at this point, towards the end of your husband's presidency,
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Speaker 1: how would you characterize your relationship at that point with Mr.
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Speaker 1: Epstein and Ms. Maxwell? Answer, non-existent. Question, thank you. Moving
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Speaker 1: to the period after your husband's presidency again, We don't
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Speaker 1: really have much of a record to work off of.
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Speaker 1: There is public reporting that sometime in 2007, Ms. Maxwell
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Speaker 1: may have hosted a fundraiser for your presidential campaign in
18:24
Speaker 1: New York City. We don't know much about it. Christina
18:27
Speaker 1: Aguilera may have performed. If that's helpful, do you have
18:30
Speaker 1: any specific recollection of that event? Answer, I do not.
18:34
Speaker 1: But again, I've been told and reminded that there was
18:36
Speaker 1: an event with a very large host committee for my
18:39
Speaker 1: campaign and Christina did appear and I believe performed. I
18:42
Speaker 1: have no further information than that I was attending many,
18:46
Speaker 1: many fundraising events, and I don't recall any specific encounter
18:49
Speaker 1: or conversation with anyone, including Ghislaine Maxwell. Question, Ms. Maxwell
18:54
Speaker 1: also appeared to have donated $ 2, 300 to your presidential campaign
18:58
Speaker 1: that year. Do you have any memory or knowledge of
19:00
Speaker 1: that specific contribution? Answer, I do not. Question, would it
19:05
Speaker 1: be fair to say that your presidential campaign likely would
19:08
Speaker 1: have had a fair number of donors donating $ 2, 300 thereabouts? Answer, oh, many,
19:14
Speaker 1: many thousands. I don't recall the exact number, but my
19:17
Speaker 1: best memory is that we raised nearly a billion dollars,
19:20
Speaker 1: and so it was a fast, frenetic pace. And I'm
19:23
Speaker 1: grateful for everyone who contributed, obviously, but I have no
19:26
Speaker 1: specific recollection of her contribution. Question, it's been widely reported,
19:32
Speaker 1: and we, I think, discussed in the previous hour, that
19:35
Speaker 1: in July of 2010, Ms. Maxwell attended your daughter's wedding
19:39
Speaker 1: in Rhinebeck, New York, and she may have accompanied Ted Waite.
19:42
Speaker 1: who was reportedly a family friend, or at least was
19:45
Speaker 1: at the time. You, of course, were also present at
19:48
Speaker 1: the wedding. Do you have any recollection of Ms. Maxwell's
19:51
Speaker 1: attendance at the wedding? Answer, I have no specific recollection. Obviously,
19:56
Speaker 1: there's a picture of her being at the wedding as
19:58
Speaker 1: my husband walks my daughter down the aisle. She was
20:00
Speaker 1: there as a guest of Ted Waite, someone we had
20:03
Speaker 1: known for 30 years, I believe, who was a strong
20:05
Speaker 1: supporter of my husband and became a friend. And there
20:09
Speaker 1: were more than 500 people at the wedding. So other
20:12
Speaker 1: than that picture of her at the wedding, I have
20:13
Speaker 1: no recollection of talking with her. I was pretty focused
20:17
Speaker 1: on my daughter and the wedding party and the wonderful
20:19
Speaker 1: occasion that it was. So I don't recall having any
20:22
Speaker 1: conversation other than the fact that she was there and
20:25
Speaker 1: she was there as Ted Waite's guest. Question and the
20:28
Speaker 1: understanding that you had, if any, about the relationship with Mr. Waite.
20:33
Speaker 1: What was your understanding of that if you have one?
20:35
Speaker 1: Question that they must have been dating. And this was,
20:37
Speaker 1: of course, long before certainly I knew anything about the
20:40
Speaker 1: activities she was charged with engaging in and the crimes
20:44
Speaker 1: that she was convicted of. Oh yeah, because you had
20:46
Speaker 1: no idea. There was no talk about it, huh? Absolute bullshit. Question.
20:52
Speaker 1: During her interview last year with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, Ms.
20:55
Speaker 1: Maxwell said that she may have met you on a
20:57
Speaker 1: flight from Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard to New York. That's
21:01
Speaker 1: not a lot to go on, and I would note
21:03
Speaker 1: that one of the charges Ms. Maxwell faced was perjury.
21:06
Speaker 1: But do you recall ever meeting Ms. Maxwell on a
21:09
Speaker 1: flight from Massachusetts to New York? Answer, I don't recall it.
21:13
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it didn't happen, but I
21:15
Speaker 1: don't recall it. And my memory too, counsel. And you
21:18
Speaker 1: would have to check this, but I believe. I was
21:20
Speaker 1: told that in her long interview with Todd Blanche. It's
21:23
Speaker 1: Todd Blanche, right? Yeah. Question, yeah, Todd Blanche. Answer, Todd Blanche.
21:27
Speaker 1: The deputy attorney general, she herself said that she attended
21:30
Speaker 1: the wedding as Ted Waite's guest. Question, in that same interview, Ms.
21:35
Speaker 1: Maxwell said she visited your home in Chappaqua a few
21:38
Speaker 1: times and that she was invited. Do you have any
21:41
Speaker 1: memory or knowledge of Ms. Maxwell being invited to or
21:43
Speaker 1: visiting your home? Answer, I do not. And I was
21:46
Speaker 1: not present for any visit if one occurred. Question, it's
21:49
Speaker 1: been reported that in September of 2013 at a Clinton
21:53
Speaker 1: Global Initiative conference in New York, Ms. Maxwell was recognized
21:57
Speaker 1: as a commitment to Action Partner for her work on
22:00
Speaker 1: behalf of the Terramar Project. which is an ocean conservation
22:03
Speaker 1: nonprofit that she founded in 2012. Do you have any
22:07
Speaker 1: recollection of whether you were at that event? So that's
22:10
Speaker 1: a Clinton Global Initiative conference in New York in September
22:13
Speaker 1: of 2013. Question, I believe I attended the conference, but
22:18
Speaker 1: during the conference, there are many different sessions going on.
22:22
Speaker 1: There are some main stage sessions with very high profile people.
22:26
Speaker 1: We've had an extraordinary collection of world leaders, including Pope
22:29
Speaker 1: Francis and others. But then there are many of what
22:32
Speaker 1: are called breakout sessions that are smaller sessions where people
22:35
Speaker 1: gather usually around the issue they're interested in. So in
22:39
Speaker 1: this case, if it had been the oceans, there might
22:41
Speaker 1: have been a breakout session about that. And I do
22:44
Speaker 1: not recall seeing her there. I do not recall any
22:46
Speaker 1: knowledge of her being there. But if she was there
22:50
Speaker 1: and she were making a commitment, it would have been
22:52
Speaker 1: in one of these smaller sessions. And I have to add,
22:57
Speaker 1: in 2013, Ms. Maxwell spoke at the United Nations. She
22:59
Speaker 1: gave a TED Talk. She was featured for her work
23:02
Speaker 1: about oceans in a long profile on CNN. So she
23:05
Speaker 1: had a public persona that the UN, the TED Talk people, CNN,
23:09
Speaker 1: and the press all recognized because nobody at the time
23:12
Speaker 1: knew what was later discovered. That's a lie. 100% a lie.
23:18
Speaker 1: Everybody knew. 2013? Give me a fucking break already. Question,
23:22
Speaker 1: and is it right to say? And it sounds like
23:25
Speaker 1: you would not have heard any direct role in organizing
23:27
Speaker 1: whatever her role was at that particular event. Clinton, not
23:31
Speaker 1: that I recall. Question. At that point in 2013, if
23:36
Speaker 1: you recall, how would you have characterized your relationship with Mr.
23:39
Speaker 1: Epstein and Ms. Maxwell? Answer, I had no relationship, no
23:43
Speaker 1: knowledge of, never met, or talked to Jeffrey Epstein. I
23:46
Speaker 1: viewed Ghislaine Maxwell as an acquaintance, someone that I might see,
23:50
Speaker 1: but I had no real relationship with her. Question. Thank you.
23:54
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, we're going to wrap up right here.
23:57
Speaker 1: And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
23:59
Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off. All the
24:01
Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
24:04
Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another
24:07
Speaker 1: episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
24:11
Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off with the Hillary
24:13
Speaker 1: Clinton transcript from her trip to Congress. Thank you, Madam Secretary.
24:19
Speaker 1: I know that a couple of the minority members have
24:22
Speaker 1: just a couple questions as part of this hour as well.
24:25
Speaker 1: And so I have a few, and then I'll turn
24:27
Speaker 1: it over to a couple in the minority members as well.
24:30
Speaker 1: You can hear me okay from there? Yes, I can,
24:34
Speaker 1: but it would help if the minority members would move across. Yeah,
24:39
Speaker 1: actually they're going to sit right across. Clinton, okay, perfect, perfect,
24:43
Speaker 1: thank you. Question, great, thank you. I just want to
24:46
Speaker 1: begin by asking you a few questions, which I believe
24:49
Speaker 1: you've already clarified in your opening statement. But just to
24:52
Speaker 1: be very clear on the record one more time, as
24:54
Speaker 1: best as you can recall, you've never met Jeffrey Epstein? Answer,
24:58
Speaker 1: that's true, that's correct. Question, as best as you can recall,
25:01
Speaker 1: and you've said this, you've never went to the island? Answer,
25:05
Speaker 1: never went to the island. Question, you never flew with
25:08
Speaker 1: him on a plane? Answer, never flew with him on
25:10
Speaker 1: a plane. Question, and you are never aware of his
25:13
Speaker 1: horrific crimes prior to those becoming public knowledge, is that correct? Answer,
25:17
Speaker 1: that is correct. Question, okay, thank you. I also wanted
25:21
Speaker 1: to just know, one of the questions that we've been
25:23
Speaker 1: receiving a lot has been speculation amongst the public that
25:27
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was somehow affiliated with foreign intelligence agencies or
25:31
Speaker 1: other intelligence services. And I know that we have received
25:34
Speaker 1: numerous questions of that type. Now, obviously you served as
25:38
Speaker 1: Secretary of State. Thank you for your service. In your
25:40
Speaker 1: role as Secretary of State, were you ever made aware
25:43
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein having any type of relationship with foreign
25:46
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies? Obviously, of course, of a foreign country. Answer,
25:51
Speaker 1: I was not. And ranking member Garcia, I'm aware of
25:54
Speaker 1: the speculation around this, and that comes from the files
25:57
Speaker 1: being released and questions being raised. And I do think
26:00
Speaker 1: that is a fruitful area for the committee to investigate. Question, no,
26:05
Speaker 1: I appreciate that because I'll say of the type of
26:06
Speaker 1: questions that we're receiving, the kind of conversations around whether
26:10
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein had ties to foreign intelligence or was working
26:13
Speaker 1: with foreign governments continues to come up. And so obviously,
26:17
Speaker 1: as Secretary of State, that would be something I would
26:19
Speaker 1: imagine you may or may not have information for. So
26:22
Speaker 1: I appreciate the response. Question, Madam Secretary, just lastly, I
26:27
Speaker 1: also want to thank you for your testimony. And broadly speaking,
26:30
Speaker 1: you've probably been following just recently and this week, And
26:34
Speaker 1: we've seen, and there's been reports that numerous files are
26:37
Speaker 1: missing from the group of files that have been released.
26:41
Speaker 1: For the record, only about approximately 50% of the total
26:44
Speaker 1: files have likely been released, and other percentages have been
26:48
Speaker 1: withheld for whatever reason we're not really sure of and
26:51
Speaker 1: don't really understand. It's also been reported by numerous outlets
26:55
Speaker 1: this week that the FBI has removed files that are
26:58
Speaker 1: supposed to be made available to Congress that include serious
27:01
Speaker 1: allegations of alleged abuse by President Trump, sexual abuse of
27:05
Speaker 1: a minor. Now, these are allegations that we know have
27:08
Speaker 1: been corroborated in other ways, and the media have reported
27:12
Speaker 1: on these, but these files themselves have been removed. Now,
27:15
Speaker 1: we view this as a very serious matter. I've personally
27:18
Speaker 1: looked for these files in the archive, Manifest, that lists
27:22
Speaker 1: which files should be placed there. Those files are no
27:25
Speaker 1: longer there, and we have been calling on the DOJ
27:27
Speaker 1: and the Attorney General to release all the files. I'm
27:31
Speaker 1: wondering if in your experience, obviously in the U.S. Senate
27:35
Speaker 1: as Secretary of State, if you've entered responses to the
27:38
Speaker 1: behavior of the DOJ and their withholding of critical information
27:42
Speaker 1: and the apparent removal of files that could suggest serious
27:45
Speaker 1: crimes by folks in the administration. Answer, Congressman, I appreciate
27:51
Speaker 1: your raising this issue, and I appreciated the statement that
27:54
Speaker 1: you put out when this became public knowledge, thanks to
27:57
Speaker 1: investigative reporting, which revealed it. And I think that this
28:01
Speaker 1: behavior by the Justice Department deserves the most thorough investigation
28:05
Speaker 1: that Congress could carry out. As I understand the sequence
28:08
Speaker 1: of events, the committee subpoenaed the Justice Department, as well
28:11
Speaker 1: as the Epstein estate, as well as law enforcement officials
28:14
Speaker 1: from prior administrations, as well as my husband and me.
28:18
Speaker 1: the Justice Department refused to comply, which is what led
28:21
Speaker 1: to the passage by Congress of the Transparency Act, which
28:25
Speaker 1: was then signed into law. And I think from the
28:27
Speaker 1: very beginning, the behavior of the Attorney General and her
28:31
Speaker 1: staff has demonstrated either a gross incompetence, which is bothersome
28:35
Speaker 1: because they're the keepers of information and should be evaluated
28:38
Speaker 1: for law enforcement purposes, or a clear cover-up because they're
28:42
Speaker 1: protecting the President and others. Either one of those should
28:45
Speaker 1: be the focus of this committee to try to get
28:47
Speaker 1: to the bottom. If they're incompetent and they're incapable of
28:51
Speaker 1: complying with the law that Congress passed, we need to
28:53
Speaker 1: know because they are falling down on the job. They
28:58
Speaker 1: have an FBI director who's more interested in drinking beer
29:00
Speaker 1: in a hockey dressing room after our team won the
29:03
Speaker 1: Olympics rather than being responsive and complying with the law
29:06
Speaker 1: as it's been promulgated. So I don't think it's unfair
29:09
Speaker 1: to say that given the sequencing of events, starting with
29:12
Speaker 1: what the way President Trump made the release of the
29:15
Speaker 1: files a key element of his 2024 campaign, The promise
29:19
Speaker 1: that he, and then his Attorney General, made that all
29:22
Speaker 1: files would be released, then a walking back of that
29:25
Speaker 1: as they began to look at the files. And ignoring
29:29
Speaker 1: of what they promised, including that they had a client
29:31
Speaker 1: list on the desk of the Attorney General, reasonable people
29:35
Speaker 1: would have to assume that they're engaged in a massive cover-up,
29:38
Speaker 1: which is infuriating as an American. as a citizen. All
29:41
Speaker 1: of us should be, regardless of party, wondering what they're hiding.
29:45
Speaker 1: And that's why I said in my opening statement the
29:47
Speaker 1: President of the United States is not above the law
29:50
Speaker 1: and should be in a setting like this answering questions
29:53
Speaker 1: under oath. as should others who are prominently featured in
29:56
Speaker 1: the files, and especially the group that is featured after 2008.
30:01
Speaker 1: Because prior to 2008, when Jeffrey Epstein pled guilty to
30:04
Speaker 1: water down charges that Alex Acosta negotiated and then was
30:08
Speaker 1: rewarded for it in the first Trump administration with a
30:11
Speaker 1: cabinet position, there are so many unanswered questions. And I
30:15
Speaker 1: looked at the transcript of Alex Acosta's testimony that was
30:18
Speaker 1: taken before this committee, and I don't think any Republican
30:21
Speaker 1: members asked him a question. So you have to conclude
30:25
Speaker 1: that there's something rotten in the state of Denmark, or
30:28
Speaker 1: clearly the Justice Department, starting in the White House and
30:31
Speaker 1: at the top of the Attorney General. And this latest
30:35
Speaker 1: example of the missing files about the allegations, and they
30:38
Speaker 1: are absolutely nothing more than allegations, but the FBI interviewed
30:42
Speaker 1: that witness four times. You don't interview a non-credible witness
30:46
Speaker 1: four times. You don't put it into FBI reporting, protecting
30:49
Speaker 1: this source, if you think there's nothing to it. So
30:52
Speaker 1: of course I would like to know, like every other
30:54
Speaker 1: American deserves to know, what's in those files? And who's
30:58
Speaker 1: going to hold people accountable? Because the Justice Department seems
31:02
Speaker 1: to be either unwilling or incapable of doing it. Question,
31:06
Speaker 1: thank you Madam Secretary. Let me also just add one thing.
31:10
Speaker 1: You've probably also read reporting that Secretary Lutnick was pretty
31:13
Speaker 1: open in an interview about not having spoken to Epstein
31:16
Speaker 1: or interacted with him after 2005. And then we go
31:20
Speaker 1: on to learn that Secretary Lutnick not only went to
31:22
Speaker 1: the island, there were visits, they went into possible business together,
31:27
Speaker 1: communicated with his wife, so there were numerous interactions that
31:30
Speaker 1: happened after that interview. We believe that Secretary Lutnick should
31:34
Speaker 1: be in front of this committee answering questions, especially when
31:38
Speaker 1: he's choosing to essentially lie about his interactions with Mr. Epstein.
31:41
Speaker 1: Would you agree Secretary Lutnick should come and testify? Answer,
31:45
Speaker 1: I think everyone that the committee sees playing a prominent
31:48
Speaker 1: role in the files should be deposed. That's your job.
31:51
Speaker 1: Your job is to try and get to the truth
31:53
Speaker 1: as best as you can determine it. And that should
31:56
Speaker 1: be the guiding principle, it seems to me, as to
31:59
Speaker 1: who you ask to come before you. Question, thank you.
32:03
Speaker 1: Next person asking questions, another congressman, unnamed. Question, hello. Thank you, Secretary,
32:08
Speaker 1: for being here today. I'm going to ask you a
32:10
Speaker 1: few questions that might be a little redundant. Answer, that's okay. Question,
32:14
Speaker 1: but just for the record. So I'm correct that you
32:17
Speaker 1: did not know at any point before Jeffrey Epstein's crimes
32:20
Speaker 1: became public that Epstein committed or facilitated sexual abuse of
32:23
Speaker 1: minors and young women? Answer, that is correct. Question, and
32:28
Speaker 1: prior to Epstein's crimes becoming public, were you ever warned
32:31
Speaker 1: not to associate with him? Answer, not that I recall. Question,
32:34
Speaker 1: and you did not know at any point before Maxwell's
32:37
Speaker 1: crimes became public that she committed or facilitated sexual abuse
32:41
Speaker 1: of minors or young women? Answer, that is correct. Question,
32:45
Speaker 1: and did anyone ever raise concerns to you about Ms.
32:47
Speaker 1: Maxwell or warn you not to associate with her at
32:50
Speaker 1: any point? Answer, not that I recall. Question, thank you.
32:54
Speaker 1: And you served as First Lady and U.S. Senator and
32:57
Speaker 1: Secretary of State. And so you met a lot of
32:59
Speaker 1: other heads of state, foreign dignitaries. And so at any point,
33:03
Speaker 1: did Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn Maxwell's names come up? Answer,
33:06
Speaker 1: not that I recall. Question, and you mentioned you did
33:08
Speaker 1: a lot of work on human trafficking. Could you talk
33:11
Speaker 1: a little bit more about that? And then also I
33:13
Speaker 1: would like to know if Jeffrey Epstein or Glaine Maxwell's
33:16
Speaker 1: names ever came up. Answer, no. I can tell you
33:19
Speaker 1: that those names never came up. As I said prior
33:22
Speaker 1: to their crimes becoming public, I don't think people knew.
33:25
Speaker 1: Or if they did know, they were not sharing that.
33:27
Speaker 1: Or if they did share it with the FBI or
33:29
Speaker 1: the Justice Department, the investigations never went anywhere. So I
33:33
Speaker 1: don't know that anybody would have ever raised those names.
33:36
Speaker 1: And I don't know that anybody knew to even look
33:38
Speaker 1: into it. As I said, the whole question of human trafficking,
33:42
Speaker 1: sexual slavery, forced labor, domestic violence, for the longest time,
33:46
Speaker 1: were not even considered crimes. And it took a lot
33:48
Speaker 1: of effort on the part of many, many courageous people
33:51
Speaker 1: around the world to raise the visibility of these crimes
33:54
Speaker 1: and to actually charge criminal law in many countries. When
33:58
Speaker 1: I spoke in 1995 at the UN World Conference on
34:00
Speaker 1: Women in Beijing, that was one of the issues everyone
34:03
Speaker 1: was struggling with. Domestic violence was considered cultural, not criminal.
34:08
Speaker 1: Sexual slavery was just something that happened. Young women were
34:11
Speaker 1: forced into prostitution. All of this certainly known, and was
34:15
Speaker 1: something that had gone on for centuries, thousands of years.
34:18
Speaker 1: But there were finally enough outrage and organization, impetus, to
34:21
Speaker 1: begin to try and change that. And that's what I
34:24
Speaker 1: worked on when I was First Lady, because I really
34:27
Speaker 1: became aware as I traveled to Asia and Africa, even
34:30
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, particularly after the fall of the Soviet Union,
34:33
Speaker 1: what a big criminal network was operating around the world
34:36
Speaker 1: to traffic people. And obviously, we're here focusing on what
34:40
Speaker 1: happened to girls and women with being sexually abused. And
34:43
Speaker 1: it's also true that people were forced into labor and
34:45
Speaker 1: mines and fishing boats. I mean, this was a phenomenon
34:48
Speaker 1: that finally was getting attention, and we worked very hard
34:51
Speaker 1: to raise visibility. I mentioned the law that was finally
34:55
Speaker 1: passed in our country in 2000. There was also something
34:57
Speaker 1: called the Palermo Protocol, where nations came together to pledge
35:01
Speaker 1: themselves to change laws to implement enforcement against trafficking. So
35:05
Speaker 1: it's been a long struggle. But we've tried to focus
35:08
Speaker 1: on preventing it, prosecuting it, and protecting the survivors. And
35:12
Speaker 1: we've made progress. But obviously, we're here today talking about
35:15
Speaker 1: crimes that are still happening, even in our own country.
35:19
Speaker 1: Alright folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And
35:21
Speaker 1: in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going
35:23
Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off. All the information
35:26
Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
35:28
Speaker 1: description box. What's up everyone and welcome to another episode
35:32
Speaker 1: of Of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking
35:35
Speaker 1: up where we left off with the Hillary Clinton transcript
35:38
Speaker 1: from her trip to Congress. Question. I know the public
35:44
Speaker 1: wants names to be named, and I know this is
35:46
Speaker 1: a difficult question for you given your lack of a
35:48
Speaker 1: relationship with Epstein or Maxwell. But are there any names
35:52
Speaker 1: you think we should be talking to at this point
35:54
Speaker 1: that haven't been out there already? Answer. Answer. I don't
35:59
Speaker 1: know any more than you do as to what's being
36:01
Speaker 1: exposed in the files. I saw where Congressman Massey stood
36:04
Speaker 1: on the floor the other day and said that he
36:06
Speaker 1: named three people. As I recall, that should be investigated.
36:10
Speaker 1: But there's a long list of people who, even if
36:12
Speaker 1: they did not do something themselves wrong because of their
36:15
Speaker 1: association with Epstein, might have credible information for your committee.
36:19
Speaker 1: Question and final question. You've expressed a desire for this
36:22
Speaker 1: hearing to be public. I'd just love to hear sort
36:25
Speaker 1: of an explanation as to why. Answer, yeah, look, I
36:28
Speaker 1: think sunlight is the best disinfectant. I think as much
36:31
Speaker 1: as we can do in public, we should do. And
36:34
Speaker 1: I've testified before Congress many times before you were there,
36:38
Speaker 1: and it's always in public. I mean, that's what we did.
36:40
Speaker 1: I testified, and I was on the other side of
36:43
Speaker 1: the table asking questions in public. Except for something that
36:46
Speaker 1: was classified that couldn't be public. What we did was
36:50
Speaker 1: in the sunlight in front of the press because people,
36:53
Speaker 1: namely our constituents, deserve to know what we were finding out,
36:57
Speaker 1: to go along with us, with a few exceptions, to
37:00
Speaker 1: understand what Congress is doing. So I believe for a
37:02
Speaker 1: long time, I think we should be testifying in public,
37:05
Speaker 1: and I think it would benefit this committee for people
37:08
Speaker 1: to see that you're actually doing things, and especially if
37:11
Speaker 1: you call people who have some credible information for you,
37:14
Speaker 1: that you are committed, regardless of the cover-up in the
37:17
Speaker 1: Justice Department or whatever direction the DOJ is getting from
37:20
Speaker 1: the White House, you are determined to find out the truth. Question,
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Speaker 1: thank you. Next person up. Asking questions again. Another congressman.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't say a name. Question. Secretary, how are you? Answer.
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Speaker 1: I'm okay. Question. First and foremost, thank you for being here. Question.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Or answer. Thank you. Question. Secondly, as an attorney,
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Speaker 1: I know sometimes things are done differently in D.C., but
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Speaker 1: when an agreement is made and our word is given,
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Speaker 1: it should be kept. Answer. I agree with that. question,
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Speaker 1: and first and foremost, to get into the line of
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Speaker 1: questioning that I had, on November 12th of last year,
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Speaker 1: Oversight Committee Democrats released emails that were obtained from the
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Speaker 1: estate of Jeffrey Epstein. In one email from 2011, Epstein
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Speaker 1: said to Ghislaine Maxwell that President Trump was, quote, the
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Speaker 1: dog that hasn't barked, and that an unnamed victim spent
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Speaker 1: hours at my house with him. In another email from 2019,
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Speaker 1: Epstein wrote that, of course, he's referring to President Trump,
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Speaker 1: and that he knew about the girls as he asked
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine to stop, Two days later, President Trump directed Attorney
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Speaker 1: General Pam Bondi to investigate President Clinton and other prominent
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Speaker 1: Democrats in order to distract from his own close ties
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Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Epstein. I'll mark his minority exhibit B, a
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Speaker 1: truth social post from Donald Trump, dated November 14th, 2025,
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Speaker 1: and I think you have that now. As you can see,
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Speaker 1: President Trump's post refers to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes against young
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Speaker 1: girls and women as the Epstein hoax. His post also
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Speaker 1: completely ignores several other high-profile individuals, including Republicans and allies
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Speaker 1: of President Trump, who are known to have had relationships
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Speaker 1: with Epstein. In fact, the Epstein files contain numerous officials
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Speaker 1: in the current and previous Trump administrations who have had
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Speaker 1: connections to Jeffrey Epstein, including, but I'm sure not limited to,
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Speaker 1: Howard Lutnick, RFK Jr., Steve Bannon, Elon Musk, Tom Barak,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Warsh, and Mehmet Oz, to name a few. Secretary Clinton,
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Speaker 1: to your knowledge, has the Trump administration done anything at
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Speaker 1: all to investigate these other individuals with ties to Epstein. Yo,
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Speaker 1: what is this person even doing right now? That's how
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Speaker 1: you're spending your time asking your questions? This is about
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Speaker 1: the Clintons. And when you want to talk about political theater, folks,
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Speaker 1: here it is once again. Congressman, I know nothing. Just
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Speaker 1: reading the press. I obviously have no inside information. that
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Speaker 1: there has been any effort whatsoever to investigate the names
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Speaker 1: that you just mentioned or any others who might have
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Speaker 1: credible information about Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. And I think that's
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Speaker 1: where this committee comes in. You're not beholden to the
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Speaker 1: Justice Department. You have an independent Article 1 jurisdiction. You
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Speaker 1: are the co-equal branch of government and you have the
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Speaker 1: responsibility to pursue what the Justice Department apparently is failing
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Speaker 1: to pursue. The other point I would make is having
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Speaker 1: observed President Trump up close and personal for a number
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Speaker 1: of years now, since I ran against him, he has
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Speaker 1: a tell. He has a behavioral tell. Whenever he's worried
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Speaker 1: about being found out himself, he accuses somebody else of
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Speaker 1: doing what he's actually doing. And it's just a pattern
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Speaker 1: with him. So it's no surprise to me that all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, what he promised in his campaign to
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Speaker 1: reveal everything about the files, and then when his people
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Speaker 1: began looking in the files and realizing how potentially incriminating
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Speaker 1: they were of him, All of a sudden, that was
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Speaker 1: no longer the focus. It was blaming Democrats, talking about
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Speaker 1: a hoax, saying move on. There's nothing to see here.
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Speaker 1: That's a typical pattern of President Trump's behavior, which speaks
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Speaker 1: louder than all the words that he speaks and all
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Speaker 1: of the truth social posts that he makes. He clearly
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Speaker 1: knows what he did. He knows what others did because remember,
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Speaker 1: one of the emails that has come out recently is
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Speaker 1: he called the police chief of Palm Beach at the
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Speaker 1: time Epstein was arrested, according to the reporting to say,
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you got him. I'm so glad you're
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Speaker 1: stopping him. Well, how would he know that? How would
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Speaker 1: he know that? So there is so much to be
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Speaker 1: uncovered there rather than being covered up. And it really,
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Speaker 1: in addition to the specific information that could be gotten
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Speaker 1: and accountability that could be achieved, it would restore trust.
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Speaker 1: The American people are not done. They're watching this. They're
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Speaker 1: seeing this. They're following this. And it's just one more
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Speaker 1: example of us not doing the kind of work that
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Speaker 1: would build trust in finding out the truth. not just
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Speaker 1: for the victims and survivors, but for the American public. Question,
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Speaker 1: I just have a couple quick follow-up questions. Howard Lutnick
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Speaker 1: recently went so far as to lie about his close
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Speaker 1: connection with Jeffrey Epstein, but the truth came out with
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Speaker 1: the release of the files. Secretary Clinton, is Howard Lutnick
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Speaker 1: still employed as Secretary of Commerce in the Trump administration? Answer,
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Speaker 1: as far as I know. Question, Secretary Clinton. In your opinion,
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Speaker 1: why has Donald Trump ignored these other prominent figures who
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Speaker 1: had close ties to Epstein? Answer, I can't speculate on that, Congressman.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a worthwhile question to ask, and I
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Speaker 1: think it certainly should be asked by this committee. Question,
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Speaker 1: and lastly, in light of everything, not just what I
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Speaker 1: think was an embarrassing leak earlier, do you believe your
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Speaker 1: deposition today is a good faith exercise? Answer, I can't
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Speaker 1: conclude that. I think all the information, such as it is,
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Speaker 1: that I could have been delivered and a sworn statement
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Speaker 1: could have been delivered. So I'm not going to speculate
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Speaker 1: about the committee's intentions here, but a former member of
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Speaker 1: this committee, someone with whom I doubt I have very
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Speaker 1: much in common, Marjorie Taylor Greene, said that Trump put
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Speaker 1: pressure on Bondi not to release all the files. And
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Speaker 1: if I recall, she was one of the votes for
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Speaker 1: the Transparency Act. And she and others, including other members
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Speaker 1: of this committee, were hauled into the White House and
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Speaker 1: taken to the woodshed. and so I believe she may
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Speaker 1: be a source of information about her own experience demonstrating
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Speaker 1: clearly what this White House does, not want the Justice
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Speaker 1: Department to release the files that might in any way
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Speaker 1: incriminate President Trump. Question, thank you, Madam Secretary. Now the
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Speaker 1: next person up, no name again. Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being here, Madam Secretary. Some of this was briefly
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Speaker 1: touched upon. But as you know, there's wide speculation among
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Speaker 1: the public that Jeffrey Epstein may have been affiliated with
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Speaker 1: domestic intelligence agencies and services. Alex Acosta, for example. Secretary
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Speaker 1: of Labor and the first Trump administration allegedly said that
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Speaker 1: Epstein belonged to intelligence. We know that Acosta has denied
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Speaker 1: the statement, but it nonetheless raises questions about Epstein. You
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Speaker 1: obviously served in a variety of high-sensitive positions, allowing you
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Speaker 1: to access some of our nation's most sensitive and secretive information.
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Speaker 1: either during or after your time in government? Were you
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Speaker 1: ever made aware of Jeffrey Epstein having any kind of
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Speaker 1: relationship directly or indirectly with the United States Intelligence Agency
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Speaker 1: or services like the CIA? Answer, I was not, but
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Speaker 1: obviously I served in the Senate and I don't recall
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Speaker 1: anything like that ever being presented. I was on the
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Speaker 1: Armed Services Committee, so perhaps there might have been a
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Speaker 1: mention if there was any relevance. And in the State Department,
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Speaker 1: I don't recall any information like that at all. Question,
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Speaker 1: and were you ever made aware of Glenn Maxwell having
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Speaker 1: any kind of relationship with an intelligence agency or service
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Speaker 1: in the United States? Answer, I was not. Question, thank you. Now,
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Speaker 1: during the committee's deposition of former Attorney General Bill Barr,
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Speaker 1: he indicated that many American businessmen who have foreign contacts
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Speaker 1: sometimes will talk to intelligence agencies and provide information to them.
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Speaker 1: Are you aware of Jeffrey Epstein having these less formal
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Speaker 1: interactions with the CEI or any other domestic intelligence? Answer,
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Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any intelligence connection of Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: at all. Question, and that applies to foreign intelligence as well? Answer,
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Speaker 1: yes it does. But I do think, Congresswoman, as I
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Speaker 1: said earlier, your questions are well taken. There are so
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Speaker 1: many threads of this investigation that need to be followed.
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Speaker 1: You are talking about the intelligence, we have talked about
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Speaker 1: the sexual abuses, and we should also be following the money.
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Speaker 1: One of my former colleagues, Senator Wyden, is trying to
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Speaker 1: get out of the Treasury Department records about Jeffrey Epstein's
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Speaker 1: financial transactions. The Congress should, and this committee certainly should,
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Speaker 1: subpoena the Treasury Secretary for the information that Senator Wyden
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Speaker 1: has compiled. In my experience in the Senate, Senator Wyden
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Speaker 1: is a thoughtful, careful investigator. If he says that there
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Speaker 1: is something there, I would take it to the bank.
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Speaker 1: And so follow the money. Follow these foreign involvement intelligence potentials.
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Speaker 1: Whether they're true or not, I don't know. And of course,
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Speaker 1: follow whatever leads you can get out of the emails
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Speaker 1: and other information that are being put forth by either
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Speaker 1: DOJ or the Epstein estate or anybody else on the
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Speaker 1: crimes that he committed. Question, thank you. That brings us
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Speaker 1: to the issue of transparency, which is related to what
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Speaker 1: you just said. You and President Clinton have been very
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Speaker 1: clear about your desire to testify publicly before this committee.
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Speaker 1: In fact, on February 5th, 2026, you posted on social media,
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Speaker 1: If you want this fight, at Representative James Comer, let's
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Speaker 1: have it in public. You love to talk about transparency.
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Speaker 1: There is nothing more transparent than a public hearing with
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Speaker 1: cameras on. Secretary Clinton, why is it important for you
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Speaker 1: to testify before this committee in a public setting? Well,
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Speaker 1: first of all, I believe in public testimony. I believe
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Speaker 1: that the public has a right to know what its
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Speaker 1: elected members of Congress are investigating and legislating. Having served
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Speaker 1: for eight years, I think it's useful as a member
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Speaker 1: to do a hearing in public because you're going to
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Speaker 1: learn things by the coverage of it, by the response
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Speaker 1: that you get from people. This hearing, if it were
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Speaker 1: in public, maybe somebody, your questions about intelligence, maybe somebody
46:48
Speaker 1: watching it would have said, oh my gosh, I just
46:50
Speaker 1: remembered having a conversation with Foreign Minister X or Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Y, and that person mentioned Jeffrey Epstein. Most people
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Speaker 1: are not going to look at the video. They're going
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Speaker 1: to read the transcript, but they will follow a live
47:01
Speaker 1: public hearing. So I think it actually enhances the work
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Speaker 1: that those of us who have been privileged to serve
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Speaker 1: are doing and can do. So to me, it's just
47:09
Speaker 1: an absolute prerequisite for doing any kind of legislative and
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Speaker 1: investigative work as effectively as possible by doing it in public. Question.
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Speaker 1: And did you know that the photograph would be photographed today?
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Speaker 1: Answer no. Question. And is that all part of what
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Speaker 1: you understood about the terms of that agreement for today? Answer, well,
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Speaker 1: I confess that I had some concerns about whether the
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Speaker 1: majority on the committee would treat me fairly and would
47:34
Speaker 1: fairly convey what I say and what I did and
47:37
Speaker 1: how I looked and how I responded. So yeah, I
47:40
Speaker 1: had a concern. And when we learned about the photo
47:42
Speaker 1: being taken, not by a staff member, but by a member,
47:45
Speaker 1: it was shocking and very disappointing. So if it were
47:49
Speaker 1: in public, we wouldn't have that debate. Everybody could see
47:52
Speaker 1: the same thing that the congresswoman saw. I'm sitting there. Here,
47:55
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm smiling. Sometimes I'm frowning. Sometimes I look good.
47:59
Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't. That's all in public. Everybody can have
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Speaker 1: the same view rather than an angled photo and all
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Speaker 1: the rest of it. So it was disappointing. And I
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Speaker 1: regret that it happened and violated your rules. But that's
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Speaker 1: not the real concern I have. The real concern is
48:13
Speaker 1: get busy. Focus on the people that have something to
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Speaker 1: tell you. That can tell you about intelligence, money, crimes,
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Speaker 1: and get them before you And whenever possible, do it
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Speaker 1: in public. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
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Speaker 1: right there. And in the next episode dealing with the topic,
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Speaker 1: we're going to pick up where we left off. All
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