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Glam Yoga Teacher Charged in Love-Murder, KAITLIN ARMSTRONG ESCAPES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greasee Katelyn Armstrong, kate Lynn Armstrong,
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Speaker 1: kate Lynn Armstrong. Well she's at it again. Does the
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Speaker 1: name ring a bell? Because I will never forget it.
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Speaker 1: The other name I will not forget is Mariah Moe
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Speaker 1: Wilson coming back to you.
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Speaker 2: Moe Wilson is the beautiful, young.
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Speaker 1: Twenty five year old world champion cyclist. Yeah, she's dead because,
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Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, Kitlyn Armstrong, the glam yoga teacher, murdered
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Speaker 1: her in cold blood over some guy. Well, there's not
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Speaker 1: another guy you could date out of all the.
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Speaker 2: Men in the world. You have to go kill somebody
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Speaker 2: over a man.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to analyze that with my longtime friend
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Speaker 1: and colleague Karen Stark psychologists joining us out of Manhattan.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, I've got a bigger problem right now.
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Speaker 1: My problem Caitlyn Armstrong escapes. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. You know we've
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Speaker 1: heard that the boyfriend, the love object of these two
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Speaker 1: ladies went into hiding after one girlfriend ends up murdered
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Speaker 1: and the other one goes on the Lamb wanted for
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Speaker 1: that murder. He better just stay in hiding because this
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Speaker 1: woman somehow manages to escape. Listen to our friends kV
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Speaker 1: u E.
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Speaker 3: It was around eight this morning when deputies from the
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Speaker 3: Travis County Jail took Caitlin Armstrong to a medical appointment
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Speaker 3: in South Austin.
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Speaker 2: Officials say it was.
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Speaker 3: After the appointment, on her way back to the patrol
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Speaker 3: car that they say Armstrong broke free from those deputies
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Speaker 3: and bolted. This was happening in this area near South
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Speaker 3: first Street and Ben White.
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Speaker 4: We're learning Kaitlyn Armstrong was leaving a doctor's appointment here
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Speaker 4: at a medical office in South Austin when she took
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Speaker 4: off from two Travis County Corrections officers, leading them on
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Speaker 4: a chase through a residential neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: According to a.
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Speaker 5: Travis County Sheriff's Office spokesperson, two deputies escorted Kaitlyn Armstrong
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Speaker 5: to a doctor's appointment Wednesday morning. As they were leaving,
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Speaker 5: Armstrong made a break for it and right away from
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Speaker 5: those deputies.
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Speaker 1: Number One, why was she being taken to a medical facility?
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Speaker 1: What's happening? Because there there is a medical staff at
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Speaker 1: the jail and at the prison. Was this all planned
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Speaker 1: so she could elude law enforcement? Take a listen more XA.
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Speaker 6: And pisist way of breashem Wine standard in the uniforms
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Speaker 6: busy chasing an inmates in the areas.
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Speaker 4: You're hearing radio traffic there from the chaotic few minutes.
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Speaker 4: A spokesperson for the Sheriff's office could not tell us
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Speaker 4: what kind of restraints or specific security measures were taken
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Speaker 4: prior to transporting her here to the medical office building,
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Speaker 4: but that spokesperson did tell us officers are informed of
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Speaker 4: an inmate's history before any type of transport like this.
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Speaker 4: Armstrong was on the run for over a month before
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Speaker 4: authorities were able to apprehend her at a hotel in
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Speaker 4: Costa Rica, taking her into custody and bringing her back
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Speaker 4: to the US in June of twenty twenty two to
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Speaker 4: face now a federal charge of misusing a passport and
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Speaker 4: on top of that, of course, the murder charge in
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Speaker 4: the death of well known cyclist Moe Wilson. Wilson was
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Speaker 4: found dead in an East Austin home last year.
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Speaker 1: So somehow she manages to master mind and escape with
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of what
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Speaker 1: we know right now, Alexis Estuk joining US Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Alexis How in the world did
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong manage to get away from multiple deputies.
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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, she managed to convince the jail
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Speaker 6: that she needed to have special attention. You know, jails
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Speaker 6: have medical they have a hospital, they have doctors, they
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Speaker 6: have nurses, they have people that take care of you.
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Speaker 6: She managed to convince the people in the jail that
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Speaker 6: she needed medical attention at Saint David's Medical Center in Austin,
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Speaker 6: which is about ten miles away from the jail. So
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Speaker 6: she plotted to leave the jail and to go get
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Speaker 6: medical attention. So she goes to this appointment. They are
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Speaker 6: walking her back to the car and that is when
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Speaker 6: she escapes. It wasn't underground parking. It was out in
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Speaker 6: just a regular parking lot, open air parking lot, and
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Speaker 6: that's when she got away from them and booked it,
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Speaker 6: took off running away from the compe.
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Speaker 1: Now let me understand, so she's going to a medical
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Speaker 1: appointment after she somehow convinces them, and obviously it's not
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Speaker 1: a medical emergency because she's working and talking, so we
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Speaker 1: know she didn't stay overnight at a hospital. She didn't
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Speaker 1: have outpatient surgery because she's just fine. I'm very curious
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Speaker 1: about how she convinced them that she should get out
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Speaker 1: of the facility the CI Correctional Institute with me Nicle,
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Speaker 1: Devorge Hotch, Globe criminal defense attorney in this jurisdiction, and
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor Nicole.
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Speaker 2: How does she do it?
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Speaker 6: You know, it's a difficult situation for the jails because
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Speaker 6: they are not a medical facility. They are obligated under
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Speaker 6: the Jail Standards Commission to keep their inmates healthy and
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Speaker 6: safe so that she can go to trial on her
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Speaker 6: designated trial dates. And whatever she's got ailing her is
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Speaker 6: beyond the staff's capacity, the medical staff capacity. They are
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Speaker 6: obligated to make sure that she stays healthy so that
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Speaker 6: the case can move forward. So I don't know the
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Speaker 6: nature of the medical problem, and we may never know
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Speaker 6: because of Hippo's constraints, but the jail really has to
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Speaker 6: take these kinds of things quite seriously.
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Speaker 1: Well, we are now learning that it was a quote
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Speaker 1: doctor's appointment. We're also learning in anybody, if you know
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Speaker 1: anything better more accurate, let me know.
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Speaker 2: She was being.
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Speaker 1: Chaperoned by two correction officers back to the transport vehicle
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Speaker 1: and somehow she manages to elude them. You would think
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Speaker 1: they would all be on high alert after the headlines
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Speaker 1: for the last two or three weeks have talked about
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Speaker 1: the escape by cavil Kante, who spider walked up the
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Speaker 1: wall of the jail in the courtyard and managed to escape.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends.
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Speaker 7: Six Cavalcanti escaped Chester County Prison. Since then, the guard
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Speaker 7: in the tower that day has been fired. Cavalcante was
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Speaker 7: about to serve a life sentence for killing.
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Speaker 2: His ex girlfriend. He was also wanted.
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Speaker 7: For a twenty seventeen homicide in his native Brazil. His
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Speaker 7: ex girlfriend's family still resides in the area, as well
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Speaker 7: as Cavalcante's relatives. She's also confirming today at Cavalcante's sister
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Speaker 7: has been arrested. It's not clear if that is because
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Speaker 7: she was assisting him or if this is over a
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Speaker 7: visa issue.
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Speaker 1: So we've just managed to somehow get Cavalcante back behind bars.
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Speaker 1: And this is a guy that has not one but
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Speaker 1: two known murdyrs under his belt under very different circumstances.
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Speaker 1: One he murdered a guy back home in his native
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Speaker 1: country Brazil and then comes here and murders his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: in front off her little children because she threatened, if
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Speaker 1: you don't quit beating me, I'm telling the cops you're
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Speaker 1: wanted for murder in Brazil.
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Speaker 2: So he killed her in front of her children.
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Speaker 1: And this is the guy that manages to literally crawl
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Speaker 1: out of the jail. And it's not the first time
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Speaker 1: a daring escape has been made. Does the name Casey
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Speaker 1: White ring a bell? Take a listen hour cut thirty
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Speaker 1: one from Waay.
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Speaker 8: After more than seventy two hours of this now major
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Speaker 8: crime investigation by the US Marshals and state other federal
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Speaker 8: partners is that there is now a warrant out for
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Speaker 8: Vicky White, a warrant for her role in this escape.
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Speaker 8: They now say that she was involved in the escape
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Speaker 8: and they have a warrant for her arrest as well
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Speaker 8: as they continue their search for this accused murderer, Casey
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Speaker 8: White here in Laudreale County, now a man hunt that
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Speaker 8: reaches across the entire country. The sheriff confirming for US
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Speaker 8: that they now believe the two had some sort of
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Speaker 8: romantic relationship and that Vicky White was involved in this escape.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grease joining me right now. A
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Speaker 1: man who knows about prison transport.
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Speaker 2: Very very well.
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Speaker 1: Christopher Buyer's now private investigator with Buyers Investigative Services and
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Speaker 1: Foreign Police Chief in John's Creek. You can find them
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Speaker 1: at Buyers Investigative dot com.
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Speaker 2: Chris.
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Speaker 1: When you see a prison van going down the Inner State,
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Speaker 1: notice the inmates aren't moving in the back of that
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Speaker 1: van because they're shackled. They're shackled down and there is
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Speaker 1: a still mesh wall between them and the driver. There
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Speaker 1: are reasons that so much attention is given to transporting inmates.
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Speaker 2: Look, people may call this woman.
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Speaker 1: A glam yoga instructor, but according to prosecutors, she chased
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Speaker 1: down Mariyah through the home where Mariah was staying, cornered
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Speaker 1: her in the bathroom, and shot her dead.
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Speaker 2: That's who we're talking about here.
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Speaker 9: Yeah. Absolutely, anytime you are taking prisoners outside of your facility,
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Speaker 9: that is the time to be on the highest alert.
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Speaker 9: And yes, just like you said, when they're in the
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Speaker 9: transport bands and they are shackled, they're not you know,
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Speaker 9: they're shackled into their seats, not moving. And so whenever
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Speaker 9: you're outside, whenever you have to take them to these
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Speaker 9: medical appointments, which happens all the time, and when the
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Speaker 9: facilities can't, you know, handle whatever the issue is, and
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Speaker 9: there's the outside doctors. But that's the time that you've
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Speaker 9: got to be on the highest alert because again you're
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Speaker 9: taking them out into the community they're from. You have
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Speaker 9: to make sure where family members live that you're not
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Speaker 9: going in those facinities keeping the appointment secret. So yes,
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Speaker 9: that is the time to be on your a game
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Speaker 9: when you're outside of your facility.
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Speaker 1: So we're trying to figure out how in the world
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Speaker 1: this managed to happen.
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Speaker 2: Take a listener our friends at k xa N.
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Speaker 4: The Travis County Sheriff's Office says they'll be reviewing this
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Speaker 4: chase though this situation and attempted escape from today to
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Speaker 4: try to determine what could be done to prevent something
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Speaker 4: similar from happening in the future.
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Speaker 10: So we have to modify our security protocols and the
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Speaker 10: things that we use to restrain people in our custody
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Speaker 10: based on the medical issue they're dealing with, and so
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Speaker 10: it varies from person to person.
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Speaker 4: They did say every situation was different, so we'll definitely
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Speaker 4: be following up there to hear what they learn from
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Speaker 4: their review.
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Speaker 2: From their review, we.
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Speaker 4: Know that she is still set to appear potentially in
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Speaker 4: court for the trial that's set to begin on October thirtieth.
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Speaker 1: Well lexis terescheck join usclimbateline dot com. Isn't it true
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Speaker 1: that Caitlin Armstrong, the so called glam yoga teacher turned killer,
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Speaker 1: escaped in a residential area. She did.
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Speaker 6: The hospital is in a residential area. She jumped over
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Speaker 6: a fence. She scaled the fence, she grabbed up by
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Speaker 6: the top and she used her legs and she jumped
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Speaker 6: right over it. And this is a neighborhood. So she
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Speaker 6: ran into the neighborhood, and she was totally The cop
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Speaker 6: that was chasing her falls as the police officers running
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Speaker 6: up the hill to chase her, she falls, and that
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Speaker 6: gives her the extra time could jump over the fence
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Speaker 6: and run into the neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm coming at this from a very unusual angle,
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Speaker 1: and that angle is from living through the escape of
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Speaker 1: Brian Nichols, the Fulton County courthouse shooter. Brian Nichols was
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Speaker 1: facing a rape charge, as I recall it, and as
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Speaker 1: he was being transported up an elevator to the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: He overpowered the female shaff who was armed. He got
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Speaker 1: into the judge's chambers. He shot down my longtime friend
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Speaker 1: and colleague, Judge Rowland Barnes. He murdered my court reporter.
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Speaker 1: He attacked others. He escaped the building on the run.
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Speaker 1: He kills somebody else and held a woman hostage in
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Speaker 1: her home. I'm leading up to a point, a residential area,
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Speaker 1: a residential area where this woman escaped. You know, Nicole
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Speaker 1: de Board hotch Globe, a veteran trialwarior in this jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: She may look like a glam yoga instructor, but according
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Speaker 1: to the prosecution, she is a cold blooded killer.
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Speaker 2: You don't think she would kill somebody else, some.
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Speaker 1: Mom at home making packing lunches for school in order
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Speaker 1: to get her car and take off.
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Speaker 2: Hell, yes she will, Nicole.
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Speaker 6: You know, the jail really does, and law enforcement really
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Speaker 6: does have to treat every single defendant charged with a
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Speaker 6: serious crime such as this exactly the same. And that
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Speaker 6: is to make the assumptions that you're making that they
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Speaker 6: are potentially dangerous. They're charged with serious violent felonies. She's
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Speaker 6: in this case, charge with a serious violent felony of murder.
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Speaker 6: Her possible sentence if she's convicted is quite long. It
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Speaker 6: could be the rest of her life, and so this
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Speaker 6: makes her particularly dangerous and law enforcement really does have
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Speaker 6: an obligation to exercise all precautions to make sure that
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Speaker 6: these people, of course don't escape, and that they are
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Speaker 6: keeping the other inmates and the people who have to
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Speaker 6: work around those inmates face around those individuals.
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Speaker 1: Well, why now, why now? Why try to escape?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: Why arrange this doctor's visit where you have to leave
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Speaker 1: the facility, the CI Correctional Institution on.
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Speaker 2: This particular day. Well, I think I know why.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to cut one ten bsim brother, take a
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Speaker 1: loads and our friends at Fox seven.
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Speaker 2: This comes just weeks before Armstrong's murder trial.
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Speaker 5: Is set to be presented to a jury on October thirtieth.
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Speaker 5: Armstrong is accused of murdering cyclist star Anna Mariah Wilson
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Speaker 5: back in May of twenty twenty due to what investigators
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Speaker 5: are saying was over a love triangle between Armstrong, Wilson
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Speaker 5: and Armstrong's boyfriend at the time, Colin Strickland.
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Speaker 2: Armstrong's initial arrest wasn't easy.
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Speaker 5: Law enforcement officials spent a total of forty three days
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Speaker 5: looking for Armstrong before she was arrested in Costa Rica
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Speaker 5: and brought back to Texas.
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Speaker 1: So when you're thinking about timing, well, I try to
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Speaker 1: escape now because she's going to court for a jury trial.
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Speaker 1: And once she is convicted, and I think she will be,
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Speaker 1: she will no longer be at the county jail.
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Speaker 2: Think may Berry and Otis.
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Speaker 1: Remember he lets himself in and out of his jail cell,
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Speaker 1: and Aunt Bee brings over a nice home cook.
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Speaker 2: Dinner at night.
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Speaker 1: That's the county jail in a small jurisdiction. But the
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Speaker 1: c I Correctional Institute to which she will be going
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Speaker 1: is no Mayberry. This may have been her last chance
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Speaker 1: to escape, and she took it. I mean, think about it.
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Speaker 1: How court proceedings looming have caused other escapes and other incidents.
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Speaker 1: I'm speaking specifically about Alex Murdog. Remember his son Paul
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Speaker 1: now murdered by him, along with my Maggie. A court
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Speaker 1: hearing was to be commenced the very next week, after
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Speaker 1: Paul had been driving drunk in a boat that resulted
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Speaker 1: in the death of a teen girl, Mallory Beach. There
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Speaker 1: goes all of Murdog's money along for Chac to tryal
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Speaker 1: and an investigation into his finances everything, all of.
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Speaker 2: His financial misdeeds would have been uncovered.
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Speaker 1: But guess what, Paul and Maggie were murdered just before
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Speaker 1: that court proceeding. Just like here in Kayla Rostrong's case,
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Speaker 1: She's supposed to go to trial in about fifteen days.
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Speaker 2: Uh huh.
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Speaker 1: She planned this escape and she's not the only one
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Speaker 1: that plans an escape just before trial. Take a listener,
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Speaker 1: Forensic kiro is named Ted Bundy.
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Speaker 2: Jog your memory.
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Speaker 11: Understandably, security is extremely tight. Here at the Pensacola City
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Speaker 11: Jailed on the second floor of this building, Ted Bundy
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Speaker 11: is under constant guard.
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Speaker 9: Authought.
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Speaker 11: These are very well aware of the fact that Bundy
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Speaker 11: has twice escaped from jailed, and now that they know
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Speaker 11: who he is, they are not about to let him
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Speaker 11: slip away again. When he was arrested shortly after midnight
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Speaker 11: on Wednesday, he was just considered a beligious and speeder.
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Speaker 11: He fought with arresting officer David Lee when Lee stopped
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Speaker 11: him for speeding. Only late last night, following FBI fingerprint identification,
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Speaker 11: did Pensacola police learn they had captured one of the
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Speaker 11: most wanted and according to the FBI, most dangerous criminals
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Speaker 11: in the country.
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Speaker 2: That's right, they thought he was just speeding. No, he's
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Speaker 2: a serial killer. Listen.
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Speaker 11: The former Tacoma and Seattle resident is a suspect in
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Speaker 11: thirty six sex killings in Colorado, Utah, Oregon, and Washington,
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Speaker 11: and now he is being questioned in connection with two
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Speaker 11: murders at a sorority house at Florida State University in Tallahassee.
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Speaker 11: Those murders occurred just fifteen days after Bundy's New Year's
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Speaker 11: Eve escape from Colorado. Bundy was rearigned here in Pensacola.
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Speaker 11: When he went to court yesterday, he identified himself as
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Speaker 11: Kenneth Meisnert. This time he had to admit to the
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Speaker 11: fact that his name was Theodore Robert Bundy, thirty one
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Speaker 11: years of age, convicted kidnapper, escapee from prison, suspected murderer,
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Speaker 11: and Bundy told prison official here, don't take it personally,
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Speaker 11: but if I can escape from this prison, I will so.
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Speaker 1: In both of those cases, calval Kante and Bundy, both
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Speaker 1: defendants had already escaped when they escaped again. Calvial Kante
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Speaker 1: escaped from Brazil. After a murder, he goes and hides
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Speaker 1: out on another island in their jungle. Then he makes
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Speaker 1: it to the prize the US, where he commits another
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Speaker 1: murder and escapes.
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Speaker 2: Bundy escapes once from the jail.
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Speaker 1: By climbing through an air vent. He kept losing weight
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Speaker 1: until he could get through the air vent. And then
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Speaker 1: again just before trial. He's in the law library, unattended
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Speaker 1: in the courthouse and jumps out a window. They have
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Speaker 1: a track record of escape. What does that have to
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Speaker 1: do when this woman, Caitlin Armstrong, the so called glam
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Speaker 1: yoga teacher, Well, take a listen to our cut thirteen
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Speaker 1: from our friend Tony Plahetsky.
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Speaker 3: Armstrong fled to Costa Rica days after the shooting death
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Speaker 3: of Mariah Wilson at a home in East Austin back
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Speaker 3: in May. Wilson was in Austin to compete in a
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Speaker 3: gravel cycling race. According to police, Armstrong stalt and killed
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Speaker 3: Wilson out of jealousy of the relationship Armstrong's boyfriend had
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Speaker 3: with Wilson.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, this woman led law enforcement on a
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Speaker 1: wild goose chase all the way to Costa Rica and
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Speaker 1: while she's there, correct me if I'm wrong, Alexis Teschuk.
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Speaker 1: She managed to get plastic surgery to change her nose,
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Speaker 1: alter her appearance, change her profession. She was going to
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Speaker 1: teach I believe it was surfing yoga, something like that.
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Speaker 2: What do we know about her time on the run.
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Speaker 6: Well, to start with her time on the run, she
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Speaker 6: was in Austin, Texas. This is where the murderers committed.
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Speaker 6: Then she gets on a play, goes to New York
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Speaker 6: and disappears. Two months later, they find her in Costa Rica.
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Speaker 6: How did she get to Costa Rica. Well, law enforcement
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Speaker 6: seems to have said that she used her sister's passport.
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Speaker 6: So then she gets to Costa Rica, she gets the
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Speaker 6: nose job. Her nose is a little bit wider in
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Speaker 6: the original pictures of her, and then it's much more
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Speaker 6: slim with her mugshot. And she dyes her hair. She
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Speaker 6: had this beautiful flame red hair, and then she died
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Speaker 6: it just a very dark brown. And she started like
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Speaker 6: desperately trying to make money. I think she had a
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Speaker 6: couple of thousand dollars. She drained her bank account, police said,
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Speaker 6: and maybe even her sister gave her money. We don't know,
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Speaker 6: but she was trying. She was working like in a hostel,
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Speaker 6: and she kept begging the person that owned it to
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Speaker 6: give her a job, Let me teach yoga, let me
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Speaker 6: do anything. And this is like in the jungle of
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Speaker 6: Costa Rica, this beautiful almost like a treehouse style place.
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Speaker 6: And then she tried to teach surfing and she was
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Speaker 6: eventually caught with both of the passports, which is what
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Speaker 6: the owner of the place of the hotel where she
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Speaker 6: was living said. So, who knows. Maybe she had planned
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Speaker 6: this and she was running in a residential area, Maybe
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Speaker 6: she knew someone, maybe somebody there was going to pick
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Speaker 6: her up. She's definitely somebody who has family members who
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Speaker 6: have helped her since the crime was committed.
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about her again. When you don't know
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Speaker 1: a horse, look at the track record again. Her appearances
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Speaker 1: are so so misleading to special guests joining us Doctor
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Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the State of Florida, lecturer
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Speaker 1: University of Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine, and founder of
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Speaker 1: the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Dr Gallagher, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 12: Always a pleasure.
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Speaker 9: Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Gallagher, I want to think just one
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Speaker 1: moment about Mariah Moe Wilson and what she endured. She
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Speaker 1: was chased through the home after Kaylin Armstrong got access
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Speaker 1: to the home where Mariah was staying with a friend.
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Speaker 1: She Kaylin Armstrong had a weapon, a handgun. She chased
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Speaker 1: her through the home and Mariah died of multiple gunshot
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Speaker 1: wounds trapped in the bathroom. What do you believe Mariah
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Speaker 1: went through before she finally bled to death.
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Speaker 13: Well, you know, both of them are elite athletes, and
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Speaker 13: I believe Mariah normally would think that her physical ability
23:37
Speaker 13: would allow her to escape from a lot of situations,
23:40
Speaker 13: but she was most likely her heart rate was racing.
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Speaker 13: She was in that fight or flight mode and she
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Speaker 13: was utilizing the flight portion of that and trying to escape.
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Speaker 13: Once she got cornered into the bathroom.
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Speaker 12: Her heart rate her had increased, she had increased breathing,
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Speaker 12: she was sweating profusely, and I believe at that time
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Speaker 12: she was shot.
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Speaker 13: Reports said that she suffered two gunshot wounds to the
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Speaker 13: head and that immediately killed her and put her on
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Speaker 13: the floor. Once she was on the floor, she received
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Speaker 13: another gunshot wound to the chest and that bullet had
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Speaker 13: gone through her entire body and out of her back
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Speaker 13: and then embedded itself.
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Speaker 6: Into the floor.
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Speaker 13: So she was already incapacitated, most likely dead, but the
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Speaker 13: killer wanted to be sure that she was dead and
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Speaker 13: then put another bullet through her chest area after she
24:46
Speaker 13: was already on the floor. So the first impact of
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Speaker 13: the bullet most likely incapacitated her, caused her to lose
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Speaker 13: consciousness and fall to the floor. The second impact to
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Speaker 13: the head most likely the same thing. The heart at
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Speaker 13: this point is still pumping and so it is pumping
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Speaker 13: now the blood from her body out through the wounds
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Speaker 13: in her head. So any head wound that is severe
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Speaker 13: bleeds profusely. The heart is still pumping the blood's body
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Speaker 13: the body of blood through her head wound, and that
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Speaker 13: is causing her to sanguinate or die right there. And
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Speaker 13: of course the bullet that had gone through her torso
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Speaker 13: also contributed to that fact. So you know, so the
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Speaker 13: fight or flight, the extreme panic, and then the impact
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Speaker 13: of the bullets wound to the head. This could not
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Speaker 13: have lasted any more than just a few seconds.
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Speaker 1: But the thing is, doctor Gallagher, and you know what,
25:50
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to a shrink on this. Karen
25:52
Speaker 1: start joining me renown'd psychologist joining us at a Manhattan
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Speaker 1: TV radio trauma expert at Karen Star dot com. That's
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Speaker 1: Karen with a Sea, Karen. Everything that doctor Gallagher just
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Speaker 1: said is absolutely correct. He's saying a million of this
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Speaker 1: type of injury and this type of homicide. I can't
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Speaker 1: get past the fact that Mariah knew she was being killed.
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Speaker 1: She ran, she had to see the gun. She ran
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Speaker 1: through the house with Caitlin following or Kaitlin Armstrong following her.
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Speaker 1: She tried to barricade herself in the bathroom in those
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Speaker 1: last few moments, trying to trying to live. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if she tried to crawl out a window or she
26:45
Speaker 1: even had time to do that before Caitlin was honor
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Speaker 1: and gunder down. Those were her last minutes on earth,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark.
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Speaker 14: And that's what you're talking about right now, is her
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Speaker 14: emotional response. So we heard all about the physical, but
26:59
Speaker 14: just imagine the emotional response to this out of nowhere.
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Speaker 14: This person is chasing her, trying to kill her, and
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Speaker 14: that adrenaline is racing, so she's desperately trying to save
27:14
Speaker 14: herself with a lot of confusion. I mean, you're not
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Speaker 14: clear headed. Sometimes maybe in a crisis you can do
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Speaker 14: amazing things. But here she's taken by surprise, and that's
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Speaker 14: how she's going to die. She's going to die not
27:30
Speaker 14: really understanding what's happening and feeling desperate, fearful, anxious, the
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Speaker 14: worst that you could possibly feel as this is happening
27:40
Speaker 14: to her.
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Speaker 1: And then to top it all off, this woman actually
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Speaker 1: escapes and there's a video of it.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk joining me crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what time it was you were sending
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Speaker 1: me the video first thing this morning. There's actually cell
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Speaker 1: phone video of Caitlin Armstrong running through this residential area.
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Speaker 1: Was she even shackled. I've watched the video over and
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Speaker 1: over and it doesn't look to me that this woman
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Speaker 1: is even shackled.
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Speaker 6: No, not at all. She has taken the biggest strives
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Speaker 6: you've seen. She's like a professional sprinter, hauling through this neighborhood,
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Speaker 6: headed towards neighborhood. She was in the medical hospital. Somebody
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Speaker 6: is filming it. She is in her prison stripe. She's
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Speaker 6: in her black and white prison uniform. Couldn't look more
28:46
Speaker 6: like a prisoner at all. And she is running through
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Speaker 6: this kind of wooded area, hops up over.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call that hopping, she's scaling it. It's like
28:56
Speaker 1: she has on tennis shoes. I don't know what she's
28:58
Speaker 1: got on. She's running like crazy. No way is this
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Speaker 1: woman shackled. I do think that she may may have
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Speaker 1: handcuffs on. Not sure about that, but I can tell
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Speaker 1: you her legs aren't shackled. Did you see the sheriff.
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Speaker 1: The sheriff's trying to chase her, and the sheriff falls
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Speaker 1: down like three times.
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Speaker 2: I lie on account and there's well, hold on, one fall.
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Speaker 1: Okay, get up, two falls. I think the sheriff falls
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Speaker 1: a total of three times trying to chase Caitlin Armstrong.
29:29
Speaker 1: And she's like running like a jack rabbit. And it's like,
29:33
Speaker 1: have you ever no, not even have you ever seen
29:37
Speaker 1: a cartoon, Alexis Tresser, I guess so with your son
29:40
Speaker 1: when creature's cartoon characters.
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Speaker 2: Just run up the side of a building and keep
29:44
Speaker 2: running straight up.
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Speaker 1: That's what it looks like, is like she's running this
29:48
Speaker 1: This fence looks like it's ten feet tall, eight eight
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Speaker 1: feet tall.
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Speaker 2: She runs right up and grabs it with her hands.
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Speaker 1: Shackled her no, and she gone gone with the the
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Speaker 1: sheriff still falling down.
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Speaker 2: The sheriff looks really out of shape. Okay, note to
30:05
Speaker 2: self put.
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Speaker 1: Only really fit buff sheriffs on a prison transport duty,
30:12
Speaker 1: because this sheriff a cannot run and falls either two
30:16
Speaker 1: or three times.
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Speaker 2: I think three helped me. Alexis I agree.
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Speaker 6: I think it's three times. And they're running up a hill.
30:23
Speaker 6: She has no problem running through this area whatsoever. Huge strides,
30:28
Speaker 6: huge sprints and jumps over. And you know, they police
30:31
Speaker 6: have said they had an eye on her the whole time.
30:34
Speaker 6: What is a solid sense that she jumped over? So
30:37
Speaker 6: I don't really know how they had an eye on
30:39
Speaker 6: her the whole time. She disappeared over that pet.
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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people are writing on social
30:44
Speaker 1: I was thinking about her and wondering when her trial
30:46
Speaker 1: would start. I'm wondering if this is somehow Nicole de
30:49
Speaker 1: Bordhawk's globe going to delay the trial. It shouldn't, I mean,
30:54
Speaker 1: because the law is you cannot create your own problem
30:58
Speaker 1: and then use that as rounds for reversal or delay.
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Speaker 6: This is true. It's very possible that the trial will
31:04
Speaker 6: go forward out scheduled on the one hand, On the
31:07
Speaker 6: other hand, this is a pretty bizarre thing to do.
31:10
Speaker 6: So if there are any other indicators that maybe she
31:14
Speaker 6: has destabilized or is not psychologically fit to stand trial,
31:18
Speaker 6: in other words, that she may not be confident, then
31:21
Speaker 6: the attorney and the court have an obligation to have
31:24
Speaker 6: her evaluated to determine whether or not the trial should
31:26
Speaker 6: move forward. And I can see that creating the possible
31:29
Speaker 6: delay so that the evaluation could be completed.
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Speaker 1: You now, you're right, A less stress shut they share us.
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Speaker 1: Off says, we had our eyes on her the whole time.
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Speaker 1: B s that is a solid wood fan, she usual
31:41
Speaker 1: arena straight up.
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Speaker 2: They did not have their eyes on her the whole time.
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Speaker 6: No, And that's the thing is they clearly there's in fact,
31:48
Speaker 6: only one police officer right behind her.
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Speaker 2: See that.
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Speaker 6: They say she was with two, where's the second one?
31:54
Speaker 6: And she is a dangerous criminal. She's not somebody that
31:57
Speaker 6: was arrested for shoplifting, you know, over one thousand dollars
32:01
Speaker 6: worth of things and is in jail for that. This
32:03
Speaker 6: is a killer, a murr and they let her get away.
32:08
Speaker 6: It was just a huge security failure in my book,
32:12
Speaker 6: but the video is amazing to watch. She is so fast.
32:17
Speaker 6: She has clearly been keeping up with her workout rising
32:20
Speaker 6: behind bars. You know, she was a yoga instructor and
32:23
Speaker 6: very fit, but she is not eating bad food and
32:26
Speaker 6: looking around in jail. She's really staying on top of it.
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Speaker 14: I just wanted to add that if we look at
32:33
Speaker 14: this type of personality and anti social personality and we
32:36
Speaker 14: think of Ted Bundy, like you mentioned, here's somebody who's very,
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Speaker 14: very charming and convincing and knows how to manipulate people.
32:45
Speaker 14: I am not surprised that she was able to get
32:48
Speaker 14: herself to go to plan all of the stat She's
32:51
Speaker 14: in great shape and somehow got them to not pay
32:54
Speaker 14: enough attention to her.
32:55
Speaker 1: This woman extremely disarming. Some call her beautiful. She has
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Speaker 1: managed to beg, borrow, steal, and kill her way through
33:07
Speaker 1: this entire odyssey. But don't let looks be deceiving. Think
33:13
Speaker 1: back on camal Kantie. He managed to charm his way
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Speaker 1: out of Brazil, live in a jungle for Pete's sake,
33:22
Speaker 1: and then con his way into the US as an
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Speaker 1: illegal immigrant, charm a girlfriend.
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Speaker 2: Into moving in with her and her children before he
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Speaker 2: murdered her.
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Speaker 1: Yet everyone underestimated him, and he won them over by
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Speaker 1: hook or by crook, by charm, or by strong arm.
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Speaker 1: Listen to our friends at CBS feel in Fox twenty nine.
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Speaker 15: The pain these children and all of Miss Brandeo's loved
33:47
Speaker 15: ones are enduring as a result of the defendants depravity
33:51
Speaker 15: is horrific. We will ensure that the defendant is brought
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Speaker 15: to justice for this cold blooded, premeditated, and despicable act.
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Speaker 2: Police arrested Cavalcante in Virginia.
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Speaker 13: He already had a restraining order put in place against him.
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Speaker 16: Caval Kanti was convicted earlier this month of stabbing to
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Speaker 16: death his ex girlfriend back in April of twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 16: in front of her two young children. Last week, he
34:18
Speaker 16: was sentenced to life in prison without parole. He was
34:21
Speaker 16: awaiting transfer to a state prison when he broke out.
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Speaker 13: At first, I didn't think it was a big deal
34:27
Speaker 13: until I heard how dangerous to guayas he really has
34:30
Speaker 13: nothing to lose.
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Speaker 11: So this is like something that you see in the movies.
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Speaker 1: Just like Armstrong, nothing to lose, one of her last chance,
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Speaker 1: one of her last chances at freedom, and she took
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Speaker 1: it unrestrained at the legs, she runs like an olympian
34:51
Speaker 1: and escapes law enforcement. Speaking of underestimating and ignoring the facts.
34:58
Speaker 1: To Chris Buyer's Eye, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services, former
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Speaker 1: police chief in John's Creek, Chris, when I was hearing
35:10
Speaker 1: about Calalcante's victims, it's not just the guy he killed
35:15
Speaker 1: in Brazil, It's not just his girlfriend. Her three children
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Speaker 1: saw the whole thing. Her parents, her family will live
35:25
Speaker 1: with that pain forever. And in this case, as we're
35:28
Speaker 1: talking about her timing and her motives and how she
35:32
Speaker 1: did it and how she slipped away, how do you
35:34
Speaker 1: think this made Mariah Wilson's family feel that this woman
35:40
Speaker 1: who reportedly murdered their girl in cold blood over nothing,
35:46
Speaker 1: chasing her down and murdering her, cornering her in a
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Speaker 1: bathroom and shooting her dead.
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Speaker 2: How do you think they feel that.
35:53
Speaker 1: Armstrong is allowed all of these privileges and freedom and
35:58
Speaker 1: actually escapes.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it has to be absolutely frustrating for the family.
36:04
Speaker 9: Talking about the video, the fact that she came out
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Speaker 9: of that doctor's office without any type of leg shackles on.
36:11
Speaker 9: That should have all been done inside before she was
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Speaker 9: transported outside. And you know another big question. I will
36:16
Speaker 9: take a slight issue with our crime online reporter. Those
36:20
Speaker 9: were not police officers that were chasing her. They said
36:23
Speaker 9: in some of the reports that it was correctional officers,
36:26
Speaker 9: and man, when you look at what the hiring standards
36:29
Speaker 9: for just a correctional officer, they don't go through the
36:31
Speaker 9: same type of training. It would be interesting to know
36:34
Speaker 9: whether those were actual sworn deputies or correctional officers that
36:37
Speaker 9: was transporting her. But either way, policies weren't following.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Chris Myers, you say tomato, I say tomato, because
36:48
Speaker 1: they were in charge of transporting her. They're armed, they
36:52
Speaker 1: have a gun, and they are in charge of her
36:56
Speaker 1: getting back to the jail and not hurting anybody. But no,
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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. I don't care what kind of badge
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Speaker 1: they're wearing. They're the ones wearing the badge, not armstrong.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely, I.
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Speaker 2: Can't believe you even try that on me.
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Speaker 1: Buyers, They're a correctional officer, they're not a real cop.
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Speaker 2: Did you want to follow up with me?
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Speaker 14: Oh?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely no.
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Speaker 9: And that was part of my question is looking into this,
37:22
Speaker 9: whether they let just correctional officers take her outside of
37:27
Speaker 9: the facility, which should not be the policy. It should
37:29
Speaker 9: be sworn deputies that are taking her, you know, when
37:33
Speaker 9: you're going out outside of your facility like that, That's
37:35
Speaker 9: who it should have been. But clearly, either protocols are
37:38
Speaker 9: bad or protocols were not followed for her to be
37:42
Speaker 9: able to walk out of there not having any type
37:44
Speaker 9: of restraints on her legs, clearly handcuffed in the front.
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Speaker 9: If she was handcuffed I couldn't tell from the video either.
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Speaker 9: It looked like she possibly was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she may have been handcuffed. She was
37:55
Speaker 1: not like shackled at all. She's running like an Olympic sprinter.
37:59
Speaker 1: But guys, now, now we're getting a little peak where
38:02
Speaker 1: the defense is headed in this case. Take a Lisnour
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Speaker 1: cut eleven B from Fox seven.
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Speaker 5: This case is currently under a gag order, so Armstrong's
38:09
Speaker 5: defense team couldn't provide an updated comment, but Fox seven
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Speaker 5: Austin did speak to her defense attorney, Rick Coe.
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Speaker 2: For last year about the upcoming trial, and we have
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Speaker 2: that hearing.
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Speaker 17: My hope is that the entirety of the early investigation
38:22
Speaker 17: of this case is exposed, exposed to the Austin community
38:27
Speaker 17: exposed to the entire world, because the entire world should
38:30
Speaker 17: see the wrong that has been committed by the Austin
38:33
Speaker 17: Police Department in this case.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy. It's the Austin Police Department's fault.
38:40
Speaker 1: They're the bad guy, not Caitlin Armstrong that gunned down
38:44
Speaker 1: Mariah in cold blood. What is he talking about, Alexis
38:48
Speaker 1: Tereshtrak What did the Austin ped do wrong? According to
38:52
Speaker 1: the defense attorney, and you got to take that with
38:54
Speaker 1: a box assault.
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Speaker 2: But what are they claiming?
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Speaker 6: I believe they're claiming that she there was somebody else there,
39:00
Speaker 6: that they have not connected her to the car that
39:03
Speaker 6: was her car, and that there were lots of other
39:06
Speaker 6: suspects that they have ignored completely in favor of only
39:10
Speaker 6: focusing on her and barely.
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Speaker 1: They say, Okay, we can sort all that out at trial.
39:16
Speaker 1: And we are headed to trial, miss Thing. You are
39:22
Speaker 1: going to trial, Caitlin Armstrong. We wait as just as
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Speaker 1: some folks. Goodbye, friend,