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Terra Newell from Bravo's Dirty John, Trauma Survivor and Real Life Hero · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: real conversations in a new language today. welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: misunderstood i'm your host rachel you could tell i am
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  Speaker 1: so excited to have my next guest here i've heard
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  Speaker 1: about her for so long and her story is something
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  Speaker 1: that i'm sure all of us have heard before tara
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  Speaker 1: newell is the former stepdaughter of con artist john mehan
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  Speaker 1: the subject of the hugely popular podcast turned documentary turned
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  Speaker 1: bravo tv show dirty john For years, John was a
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  Speaker 1: veteran con man, pretending to be a successful doctor so
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  Speaker 1: he could prey on single, middle-aged women and financially and
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  Speaker 1: psychologically abuse them. This is what happened to Tara's mother.
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  Speaker 1: His life ended when he attempted to abduct and stab
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  Speaker 1: my next guest. She fought back and ended up killing
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  Speaker 1: him in self-defense. Tara, I'm so glad you're here to
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  Speaker 1: talk to us about this story.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so glad I'm here on this planet.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there was a time when that was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a question of whether or not you would survive, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no. And really that introduction is really eye-opening because
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  Speaker 2: it puts reality in my mind and I almost lost
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  Speaker 2: my life. And, you know, I'm so happy to be
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  Speaker 2: here because of that certain situation.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So before we get into all the details of
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  Speaker 1: that and what people may or may not already do know,
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  Speaker 1: talk to me about your childhood, where you came from,
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  Speaker 1: and how you got to the point you got to.
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  Speaker 1: So where are you actually from?
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  Speaker 2: I am from Orange County, California. My parents had a house. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they first got a house together in Orange Park Acres.
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  Speaker 2: It was a really big property. Our next-door neighbor was...
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  Speaker 2: someone that was a Rams linebacker or defender. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know the players on the football team, but he was
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  Speaker 2: a player for the Rams. And so we grew up
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  Speaker 2: in kind of this lavish lifestyle, this Orange County lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: So Orange County is a bit conservative as well, Christian.
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  Speaker 2: And my mom and dad, their relationship was a bit
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  Speaker 2: toxic in the sense that they fought a lot. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think healthy communication was really talked about as it
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  Speaker 2: is now. And so I don't think that they really
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  Speaker 2: were able to communicate with each other. And my father
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  Speaker 2: had also struggled with, you know, everyone in the family
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  Speaker 2: kind of struggled with like some things here and there.
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  Speaker 2: So I, It was a childhood where I ended up
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  Speaker 2: having a lot of nannies because my parents were hard
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  Speaker 2: workers and they both had established careers. And then my
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  Speaker 2: sister and I were kind of like the second round
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  Speaker 2: of children, if that makes sense. So my mom had
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  Speaker 2: a daughter and a son in a previous marriage. And
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  Speaker 2: then my dad had a daughter in a previous marriage.
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  Speaker 2: So we were like the second round of kids. And
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  Speaker 2: those kids are always not as looked after, if that
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. You know, where we had nannies, my mom's
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  Speaker 2: kind of just like, okay, I've done this so many
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  Speaker 2: times before. I kind of know what I'm doing now,
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  Speaker 2: but like, let's just throw the stuff in the car
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  Speaker 2: and get going. You know what I mean? Where everything
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  Speaker 2: before was like, okay, here's your lunchbox. Here's this. Everything's labeled.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's what my sister and brother grew up with.
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  Speaker 2: And then I grew up with just like, okay, here's
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  Speaker 2: the lunch money. We have nannies coming to pick you up.
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  Speaker 2: We're working, you know. And of course, my mom loved
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  Speaker 2: us the same and my father loved us the same,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just a different childhood.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, yeah. So your parents divorced at some point?
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  Speaker 1: How old were you when that happened?
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  Speaker 2: Seven years old when they got a divorce. My mom
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  Speaker 2: came in the room and she told me that my
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  Speaker 2: father and her were no longer going to be together.
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  Speaker 2: And I actually told her that that was okay because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like them fighting. And my sister... was upset
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  Speaker 2: about it, but I was actually okay with the divorce.
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  Speaker 1: And after the divorce, did you end up staying with
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  Speaker 1: your mother and your sister?
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  Speaker 2: So my mom had partial custody with my dad. However,
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  Speaker 2: he had us every other weekend in I think like
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  Speaker 2: two days a week here and there.
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  Speaker 1: So talk to me about your relationship. Your sister's name
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  Speaker 1: is Jacqueline, right? So your and Jacqueline's relationship with your
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  Speaker 1: mom as you got a little bit older and into
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  Speaker 1: her newly dating relationships. How did that, how was that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, my mom always wanted my sister and I to
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  Speaker 2: have a father. And she saw that the divorce was
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  Speaker 2: a lot for my father to go through. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't as around as much as we would like
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  Speaker 2: him to be. And my mom, and he was there
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  Speaker 2: for us, but he wasn't there like every single day,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And my mom really wanted us to have
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  Speaker 2: a father figure in our life that was there every
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  Speaker 2: single day. And she wanted this marriage as well. So
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  Speaker 2: she kept going and looking for the perfect guy. However,
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  Speaker 2: she didn't have the greatest picker. And she ended up
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  Speaker 2: marrying this guy who was the dentist. Then he ended
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  Speaker 2: up stalking her and ended up taking her to court,
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  Speaker 2: getting alimony from her. She ended up having to pay
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  Speaker 2: him $ 3 million. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And this is before John?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Came into the picture this.
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  Speaker 2: Was before john and it's crazy because i this guy
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  Speaker 2: like i hated him he stalked my mom he would
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  Speaker 2: go to her store and just watch her from the
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  Speaker 2: car and so that's what i grew up thinking like
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  Speaker 2: that's is that normal you know and then they ended
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  Speaker 2: up going to court and He ended up taking her
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  Speaker 2: to the cleaners. And then we actually lost our house
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  Speaker 2: because of him.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then my mom married this other guy, Peter.
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  Speaker 2: And he tried to help us save our house. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: it was too much that my mom had to pay
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  Speaker 2: this guy.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And Peter was great, but he was a hockey player
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  Speaker 2: with an anger problem.
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  Speaker 1: With an anger problem?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Why did that come out on you guys or on
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  Speaker 1: your mom?
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  Speaker 2: Like one day he decided this one guy cut him off.
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  Speaker 2: It was Christmas. And he decided to go key this
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  Speaker 2: guy's car because he was so upset. And like we're
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  Speaker 2: in high school watching this happen. Like, oh. And then
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  Speaker 2: he actually ended up getting in trouble from the grocery place.
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  Speaker 2: And they all knew him there because he would go
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  Speaker 2: there like three times a week. And so they were like, Peter,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of can't do that. And so he had
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  Speaker 2: to like pay for it. It was this whole big ordeal.
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  Speaker 2: And then he just, he would get mad about certain
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  Speaker 2: things my sister and I would do. He didn't have
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  Speaker 2: any children. So he wasn't used to children. And then
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  Speaker 2: he came into teenagers. So....
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's hard. Okay, so you've set this up where
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  Speaker 1: your mom doesn't have the best picker, which I understand
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of us do that can, you know,
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  Speaker 1: cause a lot of problems. You know, as you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out your life and who you want to
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  Speaker 1: be with. And also when you have kids, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a single mom. And I also am a recovering
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  Speaker 1: love addict, let's say. I definitely want to be in
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  Speaker 1: love and find the right person, but it's really hard
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  Speaker 1: when you're not good at seeing those red flags. And
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like your mom didn't come into this relationship
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  Speaker 1: with John Meehan knowing how to spot red flags going
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  Speaker 1: into it, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. She was an empath. She was taught
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  Speaker 2: to be a people pleaser. She didn't know what to
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  Speaker 2: look for, and red flags to her were normal. You know,
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  Speaker 2: her nervous system was used to these red flags. And
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  Speaker 2: no one has taught her differently other than these failed
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  Speaker 2: marriages and these failed relationships, but... when toxic relationships, communication,
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  Speaker 2: love bombing, trauma bonding, all of that is not talked about,
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  Speaker 2: how are people supposed to know what's going on? Right.
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  Speaker 1: And that feels so good to the person that's just
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  Speaker 1: aching to be loved and aching for a family. So
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  Speaker 1: I think it was really easy for her to fall
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  Speaker 1: for someone like John when he came around because also
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  Speaker 1: he didn't look like a monster. He looked like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a doctor out of Grey's Anatomy, right? I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: was very good looking. He obviously had the social skills
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  Speaker 1: to kind of.
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  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 3: for it?
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  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dada's connections with. They have more
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  Speaker 4: cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 4: It's Dune ADL.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 3: Dune ADL.
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  Speaker 4: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 3: Do you mean?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I got it on Done Deal Cars.
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  Speaker 3: Lift, please. You're going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: Done Deal Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Sweep her off her feet. And she was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not only an easy target, but he kind of would
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  Speaker 1: have made anyone maybe an easy target because of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how he looked and how he did not look the
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  Speaker 1: part of a sociopath.
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  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. And it's kind of crazy because I've
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  Speaker 2: talked to so many people that he's dated before, been with,
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  Speaker 2: just because of the show and everything. And he has
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  Speaker 2: a range of different women. Women he did drugs with,
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  Speaker 2: women he was like a quote unquote perfect boyfriend to.
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  Speaker 2: Like he played a different role for all these women. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So he was like a chameleon depending on who the
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  Speaker 1: woman was. So let's get into how your mom met John.
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  Speaker 1: She met him online, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. She met him on our time. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Is that like match?
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  Speaker 2: It's a senior dating website.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: For like 55 plus. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: And had she gone out on any other dates with
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  Speaker 1: anyone else before meeting John?
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  Speaker 2: She went out with a couple of guys. I think
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  Speaker 2: she went to the Laker game with this one guy.
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  Speaker 2: This one guy seemed pretty nice. He had like a
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  Speaker 2: car shop. But there was no spark with him. And
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  Speaker 2: then she actually went on another date that was terrible
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  Speaker 2: where the guy ended up getting wasted, grabbed a champagne bottle,
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  Speaker 2: walked alongside the beach with her. And so that was
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  Speaker 2: also like her last date. that she went on and
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  Speaker 2: she was like oh this guy tried to like rape
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  Speaker 2: me this guy tried to grope me on the beach
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  Speaker 2: and she just like left and she walked home I
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  Speaker 2: think she walked like five miles or something it was
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous Yeah, so that was her last date before John.
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  Speaker 2: And then John is, you know, smoothing and doing all
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  Speaker 2: these things. He's looking suave. He is a doctor. He's
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  Speaker 2: sounding so good. So good. And then she goes on
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  Speaker 2: this date with him. He comes back. He gets extra
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  Speaker 2: comfortable on her bed. That makes her uncomfortable. But and
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  Speaker 2: he leaves upset, which is funny. But then he calls
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  Speaker 2: and he apologizes. Right. And, you know, my mom's a
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  Speaker 2: forgiving person. And my mom, like her mom, quote unquote,
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  Speaker 2: forgave her daughter's killer. So my mom is used to forgiveness. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so. For someone asking for forgiveness, she's going to
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  Speaker 2: forgive that person because she's going to think it's genuine.
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  Speaker 2: Unlike a con artist who's, you know, doing it just
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  Speaker 2: to gain control of someone. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So now set up the scene of like how long
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  Speaker 1: it takes for John to sort of weasel his way
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  Speaker 1: into your mom's house and all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I was living in Vegas at the time and I
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  Speaker 2: was just in communication with my sister, Jacqueline. And Jacqueline
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  Speaker 2: was like, this guy is staying here all the time.
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  Speaker 2: This guy is just, you know, looking up and down.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like him, Tara. There's something about him. And
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  Speaker 2: so she was creating a lot of issues with him.
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  Speaker 2: And this was, I want to say, like, a week
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  Speaker 2: or two weeks into the relationship, things started to get, like, heavy.
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  Speaker 2: And then go on heavy because, you know, these relationships
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  Speaker 2: are codependent, like with the narcissist and the empath. And
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  Speaker 2: so they get entangled and they want to be around
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  Speaker 2: each other all the time because one of their energy
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  Speaker 2: has the non-empathy and then the other energy has like
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  Speaker 2: the over emotions and the empathy. So they get into
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  Speaker 2: this relationship, they get codependent. And two months into the relationship,
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  Speaker 2: my sister is just not having it, throwing fits because
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  Speaker 2: she lives with my mom. And so my mom ends
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  Speaker 2: up getting another place on Balboa Island, a house, and
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  Speaker 2: she moves in there and he moves in with her,
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  Speaker 2: whether she knows it or not.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So and Jacqueline stayed at the first house. Is
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  Speaker 1: that what happened by yourself?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she stayed at the penthouse. Yeah, by herself. And
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  Speaker 2: then later, John would try to get her kicked out
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  Speaker 2: of there by taking pictures of her balcony from the roof,
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  Speaker 2: making lots of complaints to the office. So he didn't
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  Speaker 2: like my sister.
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  Speaker 1: So when did you first meet him?
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  Speaker 2: I met him two months into the relationship, like probably
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  Speaker 2: a little before two months. And that's when they moved
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  Speaker 2: into the Balboa place. I came over from Vegas with
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  Speaker 2: my boyfriend at the time and our three dogs. We
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  Speaker 2: were excited for him to have a place to stay
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  Speaker 2: where we could bring our dogs. And I met him
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  Speaker 2: and he was just kind of putting a mattress on
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  Speaker 2: top of the van. And then my boyfriend at the
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  Speaker 2: time went over to help him and he just didn't
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  Speaker 2: want help from him. Um, which Jimmy did have, uh,
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  Speaker 2: a cast at the time. So I guess maybe that
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  Speaker 2: wasn't helpful, but you still offer, you still accept help
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  Speaker 2: from someone when it's offered to you. And John was
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  Speaker 2: just kind of cold at first. And we were like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I think that's my mom's boyfriend. And then
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  Speaker 2: my mom got down and then she introduced us and
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  Speaker 2: he just wasn't very warm to us.
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  Speaker 1: How long did it take you to have some red
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  Speaker 1: flags or was it immediate besides that interaction?
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  Speaker 2: It was probably pretty immediate because we went back to
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  Speaker 2: the new place and we brought that truck over. We
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  Speaker 2: unloaded it. There wasn't much interaction. Then we kind of
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  Speaker 2: get settled for a minute and then there's margaritas happening.
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  Speaker 2: I'm asking him questions and all the questions that he's
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  Speaker 2: answering are kind of just like close-ended. Like I would
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  Speaker 2: ask him like, Oh, what's your name? Sean.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, what does your, like, what's your daughter's name? Like,
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  Speaker 2: what do your daughters do? Oh, Emily. And like, she
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  Speaker 2: goes to military school. Okay. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there wasn't a lot of chemistry. He wasn't
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  Speaker 1: talkative with you.
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  Speaker 2: And he wasn't wanting to engage with me because he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't wanting to give me more information and he was
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  Speaker 2: wanting to also isolate me. He already isolated Jacqueline from
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  Speaker 2: my mom. And now it's my turn. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: the good girl. I'm the easygoing child. I'm the one that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is really going to be the one that
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  Speaker 2: he needs to get rid of because I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: be the one that's reasonable. I'm not going to make
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  Speaker 2: fights with anything. And it's crazy because like there was
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  Speaker 2: red flags on that first trip. where he locked the
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  Speaker 2: doors where, well, the child lock was on for the
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  Speaker 2: door and I tried to get out and I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: get out of the car. And I asked him to
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  Speaker 2: let me out with my other friends in the back
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  Speaker 2: and he wouldn't let us out. And he went upstairs
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  Speaker 2: and then I had to text my mom and call
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  Speaker 2: my mom to come down and let us out of
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  Speaker 2: the car.
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  Speaker 1: That's insane. Why wouldn't he let you out of the car?
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  Speaker 1: Did he act like it was a mistake?
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  Speaker 2: I think he was acting like he couldn't hear us,
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  Speaker 2: which it was funny because I repeated myself and I
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  Speaker 2: repeated myself even louder, but I am soft spoken in
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  Speaker 2: a sense. So I was like, okay, maybe he really
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  Speaker 2: didn't hear me. And, but I was like, that was weird.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I came back where we went and
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  Speaker 2: we left and we went back to Vegas and came
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  Speaker 2: back the next week for Thanksgiving and I started to
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  Speaker 2: have a lot more questions about him. Like, why is
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  Speaker 2: he using my mom's car? Where's his car? You know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: if he's a doctor, like, where's his stuff? Why is
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: he living here? Like, isn't he wealthy?
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. So did you finally question your mom and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: bring this up to her?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. And also my mom's hairdresser who does all of
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: our hair was starting to have questions about it as
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: well because he came in and got a haircut from her.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And so things were just weird. Everyone was having questions.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Even my mom's old assistant was having questions. Everyone was
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: just like, who's this guy? He's weird. Something's up with him.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: And when I had those questions, that's when I confronted
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: my mom. And then he came up behind my mom
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and then started screaming at me. And then told me
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: that I wanted my mom to myself. That I don't
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: want to see my mom happy. That I want my
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: mom's money. And I... screamed back some FUs at him.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And I said, no, John, that's what you want. Wow.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: So that must have been really emotional and tough for you.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So your mom at this point had to choose between
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: John and you and your sister, right?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And it was unfortunate because I was staying with her.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And so I had to pack all my things. She
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: didn't stop me. I took all my.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: It's Dunaidial.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Dunaidial.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: There's an accent on the E.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars. Lift?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kimmage!
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: No.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Stuff. And I left and I had to go to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: my sister's, which they don't allow dogs there. I had
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to sneak up the dogs. So it was this whole
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: big words deal. And the next day was Thanksgiving, which
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I did all this grocery shopping for Thanksgiving. And then
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I was disinvited to Thanksgiving the next day. And he
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: was there, even though she's only known him for two months. Right.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, that's so upsetting. I'm so sorry. So Soon after,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: they end up going to Vegas and getting married, right?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Or had they already been married and you didn't know?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: No, soon after. I believe it was right before Christmas
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and right after our fight, actually.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And so how did you find out that they were married?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Because they didn't tell you, right? They didn't tell anybody?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: We didn't find out until like a while later, until
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: we were doing all the investigation and Until we found
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: like paperwork or something saying they were married. Or maybe
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: my mom told us one day, but we were trying
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: to get her away from him. And we didn't know
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: she was married to him.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And how did she react when you confronted her and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: told her you guys were, you knew she was married
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and you still were not a fan and all of that?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: To be honest, I don't think we even brought that
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to her for a while. I think we kept that
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to ourselves because we were just in shock. We were like,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, she's married to him now. And I
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: don't think we were having too much communication with my mom.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It was like I would go see her for lunch,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: only lunch, because she wasn't allowed to go do dinner
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: with me because she had to be back for dinner
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: with John. And I would only see her certain times.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So there was very limited communication. And I think that's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: why we didn't bring it up to her because... We
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: didn't want her to know that we knew more than
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: we did.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And at this point, did you know that he was
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: a drug addict? Did you know that drugs were even
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: involved in this?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: When we hired the private investigator, he found out a
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff about John. And that was when we
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: knew that he had different like felonies and stuff that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: he was in jail for selling drugs. And so we
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: didn't know that, but it was kind of like you
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: got to let some of that fear and stuff go
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: because your mom's in it and you can't let your
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: mind go to the worst place. You just have to
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: kind of prepare and know as much as you can,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: but not show your cards. Right.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: So were you guys making this play to figure out
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: how to get rid of him or were you guys
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: just letting it play out and hoping your mom was
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in a relationship that was going to work? Like at
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: what point did you know that this was dangerous and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: something had to be done?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: We knew it was dangerous when the private investigator found
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: out all the stuff. And then there was different restraining
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: orders on him from even his sister. Like there was
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: all these, he had a rap sheet, you know? So
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: we knew all this and it was kind of like,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I hope she figures this out. We did bring it
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to her attention, but then, and she did leave him,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: but then he was able to bring her to different
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: lawyers and they told her But a lot of the
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: stuff we found were not true. So he had lawyers
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: in his pocket as well.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: That continued to lie to her.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So when lawyers are telling me this and when
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: he brings other people that are, you know, going against
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: what the private eye said and what we are saying,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: she's going to choose him because her heartstrings are attached
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: to him. And we're kids, but we're grown up, you know? Right.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And so she doesn't need to nurture us and be
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: there for us like she was. So it makes it
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: easier to choose him over us, if that makes sense,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: because we're not every day in her life and he's
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: there every day and doting on her and, you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: giving her different feelings than we give her.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Right. Of course. So at some point, Jacqueline actually tracked
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: his car.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And you guys started following him and really getting involved
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in this. like crime junkie investigation on him. Correct. Tell
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: me all about that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So my sister ended up going to the spyware
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: shop in Costa Mesa and ended up getting some stuff.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Then she took a tracker. I would go have lunch
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: with my mom. I would tell my sister where we're at.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And then my sister would go put it on the car,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: not even see my mom or me, but she would
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: go show up to the location and go put it
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: on her car. And then she would go like take
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: it in and off her car. So that she didn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: quite know. And we were like, you also have to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: like recharge it or something. So I would just go
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: to lunch and be like, okay, I'm going to lunch
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: with mom here. She would go take the tracker off
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the car and on the car.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's amazing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So what point did this come to a head?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like this was maybe six months or like
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: four months, six months into the relationship.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: After they were married?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. Okay.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And did something happen that finally made your mother see
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the light? I mean, I know it's one thing when
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you're so blinded by love, it's really hard to see
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: those red flags. So I can see how she was
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: going on and on and on on a path. And
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you guys kept warning her and she didn't want to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: hear any of this, but something must have happened that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: finally she was like, okay, this is not the man
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I thought I married.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also we're probably yelling it at her where
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: that makes it harder to hear where, you know, the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: inner ear shuts off that when someone's yelling at you.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: So she had to see it for herself, right?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: No. And everyone in that situation actually has to see
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: it for themselves and make that decision for themselves. Because
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: if people are telling you this guy's a bad guy,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you're not going to leave. You might actually go further
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: into it and you might say goodbye to that friend
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: that's telling you that that guy's bad. Right. Exactly. Exactly.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: You know, we're telling her this. And at one point
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: it was like, okay, I had to kind of just say, okay,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I'm willing to work with stuff with John. And he
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: never wanted to work with me. And so I was
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the one being like, okay, I'm willing to work. I'm
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: willing to talk. I'm willing to do stuff about this.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And he was never willing to do it. So in
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: my mom's eyes, like, why wouldn't he be willing to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: talk to my daughter? And I just started just become
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: like the narcissist dream in a sense, just like people
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: pleasing to her, just like, okay, yeah, I would love
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to meet him. I would love to do this. Why
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: can't he have a conversation with me? Oh, that makes
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: me bummed. Just being like that. Right.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So you changed your tactic. Instead of yelling all these
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: facts at her, you decided to go along with her
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and try and be the good daughter and act like
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it was just hurting you instead. And you wanted to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: be part of his life. That's so smart. Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And then he ended up getting a dog, moving to
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Vegas with her. They ended up getting another apartment together.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And it's just crazy because I'm forever the person being like, okay, okay.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And then he's not going to be able to isolate me. Mm-hmm.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And so I'm able to stay in the picture and
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: able to get lunch with her and able to gain
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: her trust and have that person, you know. And then
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: also my mom, her kids, my brother and sister, were
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: not letting her see her grandchildren at a certain point
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: because she would bring them around John. And John was dangerous. Yeah.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And like the other day, my niece shared with us
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that we kind of knew this and we didn't know this, but...
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear this story. I heard this story in
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a different view, if that makes sense. He shared with
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: my niece, who was eight at the time, what the
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: birds and the bees were. And then he also, I guess,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: showed her twerking videos and then also asked if she
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: could twerk. And for me, just being in the true
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: crime world too, like I'm going through so many grooming
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: books and perpetrators. And I was like, wow, that's grooming,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: you know, asking a child to watch something inappropriate, asking
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: them about sex and then asking them if they could twerk,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that's a hundred percent grooming.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: So at this point, did you ever contact his children
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: or his wife or his former girlfriends at this point?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Or did your mom?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: My sister did. My sister reached out to Tanya. Tanya
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: didn't answer at all during this time. We ended up
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: connecting with Tanya after everything. But my sister reached out
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to a lot of people and no one would help us.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: So they just didn't want to be involved?
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Even though they knew what kind of a guy he was?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Not until he was gone, taken care of, and
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: then the story blows up on TV.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, so set us up as to what happened.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dada's connections with. They have more
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: It's Dune ADL.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Dunediel.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: There's an accent on the E.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, I got it on Dunediel cars.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Lift?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Please. You going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Dunediel cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: The day that you ran into him in that parking lot,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: where was the relationship between your mom and your dad?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: What did you know? When was the last time you
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: saw John? Tell us all about that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: During this time, my mom had left John for the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: second time. This was the final time. And literally, he
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: ran his car into a gate. It was in my
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: mom's name. So she went and got that car. Then
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: he literally would leave the dog at the house and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: then go stalk us. And so the dog would get
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: out and then the dog ended up in the pound.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And so we waited a few days for him to
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: get the dog and then we ended up getting the dog.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And then I had his dog. So I was just
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: working and he was just kind of going on a
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: downward spiral.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And he was texting your mom and he was pretty
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: angry at this point, right?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he would text her stuff. I'm like saying
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: threatening things. I'm not 100% sure. I feel like I
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: probably blocked those words out of my memory. But he
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: would text her threatening stuff. He tried to send me
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: messages as well. But on my Facebook, I had them
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: all blocked. And I actually didn't see them until after everything.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: And so he was in like a downward spiral, not
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: doing okay. He was coming here and stalking us when
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: he had a house in Nevada, Las Vegas. And then
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I had his dog. And had you.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Guys gone to the police to let them know that
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: he was threatening you?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%. They didn't do jack shit, though. They were like, oh, well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: he needs to lay a hand on you. Or you
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: need three harassment suits against him. And we would literally
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: show them text messages of him, like, sending us, my sister,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: a picture of her birth certificate with spit on it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And our address. And, like, I don't know. These were
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: threats that were nonchalant, but the real threats were said to, like,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: my mom. Mm-hmm. And so we needed her to, like,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: go and be like, okay. But it was... She was
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: trying to protect herself. And other people told her... Other
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: professionals told her that she didn't need to protect us
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: because he wasn't going to do anything to us. Which
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: is crazy. Right. But sometimes the professionals don't know all,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: And so he.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: was in California stalking us. And I know this because
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: a couple days before my attack, he was at the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: back bay and he saw me hiking and I met
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: these people with Rhodesian Ridgebacks. And so the next day
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: he called and made an appointment to get two Rhodesian
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Ridgebacks groomed in a French accent. And I usually get
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: more information when I get a client calling for dogs,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: but it was during feeding time. And so all the
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: dogs were barking at me and I just needed to
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: get this guy off the phone. Oh, wow. So, yeah.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: So he wanted to know my schedule. And so he
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: did things to call and get my schedule. But him
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: making that appointment and then him not showing up that
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: day actually messed up my schedule.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So were you a dog groomer? What were you doing
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: at the time?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: During the time, I was working at a dog kennel,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: boarding and training, and then I was also a dog
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: groomer at that kennel. And so during my lunch, I
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: would groom dogs, and then the rest of the time,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I would let the dogs out, feed them, and clean
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: up after them, do all that great stuff and kennel work.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Got it. So at this point on the day that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you ran into John, were you guys at all in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: fear for your life?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: 100%. We were on the lookout for him. My sister
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: actually saw him the day prior. She chased him down
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: with her friend because she saw him in her parking garage.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And she just like chased him and then he went
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: off the freeway and then she lost him. And she
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: warned me that he was around. And then she actually
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: came to my house to check and make sure I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: was okay. But I was asleep. It was probably like 9.30, 10.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And I was already asleep because I had work the
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: next day at 7 a.m. So I was just preoccupied
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: too because I had a Jason Aldean concert that I
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: was going to that night. And so my mind was, okay,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I got to get ready. I got to come back
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: during this time. I got to, because the concert was
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: right after work. So I was trying to do everything
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: to get ready for that concert and figure out my
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: schedule for that. And then I went to work. My
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: mom actually picked up his dog for me that day.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And so I only had my dog Cash. And then
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I'm at work and the guy doesn't show with the dogs.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: So I leave and I go home early, get ready.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: And then I come back early so that I'm able
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to leave work earlier. Got it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So at your lunch break, you come back early.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yes. But then I go back to work early. So
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I take a shorter lunch break because I would have
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: been grooming a dog or two dogs for two hours.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So I have like two extra hours that I didn't
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: think I would have.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So at this point, you pull into the driveway, right?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And where were you? You were at work or you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: were at home when he ran into you?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: So I come home from work. I pull into my
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: parking structure. I see a guy with a tire iron
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: and my dog is going off on him. And I
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: tell him to knock it off. I literally pull in
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: my parking space that I normally park in. However, I
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: don't have assigned parking. So it's just like I'm a
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: creature of habit. And then I get out of my
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: parking or get out of my car. The guy grabs
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: me by the waist, looks me in the eyes and says,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: do you remember me? And that's when I recognized that
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: it's Sean.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: So why wouldn't you have recognized him? Had you not
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: seen him for a while?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I hadn't seen him since Thanksgiving, the day before Thanksgiving.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. That was my very last interaction with him other
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: than he did come to my house, but he was
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: staying in the car. And so I didn't, you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any interaction with him. It was when
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: my ex-boyfriend broke up with me. Like my mom was
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: in Vegas. And so she came to my house and
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: then he only allowed her to stay with me for
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: like a couple hours. Wow. Yeah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you get out of the car, and is
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: your dog with you?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I grab my dog out of the backseat.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: And so he grabs me by the waist, and that's
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: when he says, do you remember me? I look him
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: in the eyes, and I just try to get away
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: from him. I try to run. I drop my dog's
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: leash so my dog could try to run away and
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: be away from this. And then I'm unable to detach
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: from John. John is grabbing my mouth. I bite him
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: in the mouth. as hard as I can. So he's
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: not able to close my mouth or cover my mouth.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And so he really stops with that. And then, wow.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Each time I kind of go through the story, like
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: some dots connect a little bit more, but this is
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: when he goes straight to like punching me. So I thought,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: but he was really stabbing me in the chest. Wow.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And then I, so he had not only the, the
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: tire iron, he had a knife.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, but the tire iron, I don't know what he
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: did with it. It's probably, like, on the floor or something.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: He had the knife in a dill taco bag. And
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: so that's why I also thought I was being punched.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: But I felt like I was being punched except with
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: like a searing pain.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: And then I ended up on my back. My shoulder
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: hits the floor, scrapes the asphalt really hard. And then
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I'm on my back. And then he falls like on
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: top of me, but he's on his knees. And then
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: he is trying to, this is when the knife is
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: out of the Del Taco bag now. And then now
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: he's trying to stab me. And I just keep on
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: kicking the knife or kicking his forearms to block the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: knife from coming down on me. And then my dog
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: is attacking his ankles at the same time. And then
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I'm actually able to kick the knife out of his forearms.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: and it lands on my right-hand side in the ice
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: pick position. I pick it up, and I just start
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: wailing on him. I think that I'm stabbing him in
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the front, but I'm really overdoing it, and I'm stabbing
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: him in the back of his shoulder. That's when he gasps,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: and he starts to fall down on me, like his
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: body weight. I hold his head because I watch a
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: lot of Walking Dead.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: It's Dune-A-D-L.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Dune-A-D-L. There's an accent on the E.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, I got it on Done Deal Cars.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Lift? Please.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage!
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: No. Done Deal Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: What? I don't know why I am holding his head
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: so he won't bite me like a zombie. And then
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the last two, I actually stabbed him in the forehead.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: And then the last one was in the eye, which
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: is the softest point of the entry to the brain.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: And that was the one I actually did give thought
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: to because I didn't want him to get back up
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: in front of me. So I did that one. And
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: then I pushed his body off of me. And then
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I scooted back and then I tossed the knife away.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: And then I start just like looking around, assessing the situation.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I see that I have a one inch stab wound
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: in my forearm. And so I start applying pressure to that.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: And then I see my dog starts eating the Del
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Taco and the Del Taco bag. I'm worried that that's poison.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And at this time, a A lady, a white lady
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: and like middle-aged lady in her forties walks up with
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: her yellow lab, like an English yellow lab. And then he,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: she asked me, what can I do to help you?
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I see that I'm already covering up the blood and
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: slowing down the bleeding. So I asked her to grab
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: my dog. And then she grabs my dog. And then
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: that's when this guy with dreads came up. He asked
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: me what's going on. He sees that I'm bleeding. Gives
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: me his sweater to slow down the bleeding with a
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: sweater opposed to my arm. And then another girl, Skylar,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the 14-year-old lifeguard comes up. And she's like, I'm Skylar.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I'm trained in this. And then the other guy goes
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: and gives John CPR. I start freaking out. Because I'm like,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: that guy just tried to kill me. He might try
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: to kill you. Don't do that. And that's when I
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: walk down the hill. I need to get away from John.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And then Skylar walks me down the hill. And then
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I start trying to get my phone. I start calling
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: my mom. I tell her I'm so sorry. I think
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I healed your husband. I knew he would do this.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Because I also had dreams about me stabbing him before
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: any of this even happened. So I believe that was
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: like my body's way of preparing me for this attack and,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: you know, premonitions and whether God, the universe, whoever gave
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: that premonition to me to prepare myself for that. I
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: believe that was a gift. And so I just started
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: calling my mom, telling her I'm sorry. And then I
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: called my ex-boyfriend because we were kind of in a limbo,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: weird after relationship thing. And then he was the one
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that was there and knew who John was. So I
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: called him. He was working bar rescue. And then he
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: comes and he flies down to see me for a
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: few days for that. Yeah, literally The Walking Dead. The
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Walking Dead. I watched so much of it. I would
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: watch the first episode and I would watch it again.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And then I would watch The Talking Dead and then
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I would watch another episode again. Like I was that
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: obsessed with it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: So you know exactly what to do and how to
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: hold a knife and how to get someone off of you.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you. And then I also did have a benefit
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: of me coming from the dog kennel, having my dog
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: with me also. And then wearing rain boots because I
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: had more mass and I wasn't wearing like dainty heels.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I wasn't wearing sandals. You know, I had a sturdy
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: boot on for kicking. Wow.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Okay. So how long did it take for the police
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to clear you in this?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: It was kind of blurry because I ended up, I
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: had a stab wound in my forearm and then I
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: had one in my chest and And they didn't realize
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: that I had the one in my chest until I
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: was done being interrogated. So, like, four hours.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Was there any question that, you know, what had happened?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Or did they know that you were doing this in self-defense?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I was a 5'2 girl against, like, a big guy.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of questions. They're like, wait, why?
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: How did this even happen? How is she even, like, not...
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: You know, because... These defensive wins I have are like
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: very minimal. So, you know, for them coming into this situation,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, this is what she's saying. This is what,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: you know, but we have to go through all the evidence.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And so they interrogated me, but they did let me
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: bring my dog with me. But I also was kind
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: of a bitch. I was like, if you don't let
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: me bring my dog, I'll sue you guys because I
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: have a doctor's note for him. And I did have
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: a doctor's note for him. And he went to the
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: hospital with me in general whenever I needed blood work
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: or anything done. So he was already trained to go
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: to the hospital with me. So if they didn't let
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: me have my ESA dog with me, I would have
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: lost it even more. Wow.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: So he really protected you. I saw those pictures there.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So he protected me. And they let me bring
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: my dog and then they questioned me. And then I
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: ended up having another stab wound in my chest when
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I was about to get discharged and go home. And
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: then because of that stab wound, they had to send
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: me to the ICU. And so I ended up getting
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: an ambulance, going to a completely different hospital. And then
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone's been in the trauma unit,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: but it's very scary. Um, so I was in the
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: trauma unit at UCI and there was people screaming. There
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: was other people. I heard like someone else got stabbed
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: that night that came in. Um, but like, it sounded
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: like more so gang violence. Um, I was in like
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: this little area with a curtain. And so it was like,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: you heard everyone screaming everything, um, I didn't know if
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: anyone was coming after me because I just killed a guy. Right.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: And I didn't know if he had a partner, anything.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: So I was on edge thinking that someone might come
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: in and try to kill me again. And then it
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: all gets blurry because I ended up getting into a room.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: And then I'm just like, I can't be here. I'm
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: so on edge. So they gave me Ativan, Zofran. And
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: lots of other stuff. Right.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: So eventually you found out that John was on life support,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I think, right? And then eventually died, correct? What happened
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: with him?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: So I found out he was on life support because
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: they were actually trying to bring me to the same
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: hospital as him. And I denied that. And so I
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: ended up going to UCI. And then he was in
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Global in Huntington or Westminster, somewhere around there. And so
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't find out more about that until I was
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: out of the hospital, which I was in the hospital
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: for a couple days because they had to do exploratory
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: surgery on me to see if I was bleeding out.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And they wanted to run more tests and stuff. But luckily,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I'm totally fine. That stab wound was not harmful to me.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: It was superficial in a sense. Well, I mean, I
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: still was cut and stuff, but it didn't hit any
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: of my vital organs or anything. So I was very
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: lucky in that sense. And I found out probably like
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: the day I came back or like the day after
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I was on a good amount of stuff. And oh, wait, no,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: that's when Jamie came in when I got out of
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the hospital. And then I I was there. And then
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: the following day is when his sisters and stuff came,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: brought flowers. And then that's when we kind of got
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: more information, what was happening to John. And my mom
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: also talked to my sister and I about what was
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: going on with John before the sisters got there. And
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: we wanted my mom to sign over the, the life
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: rights to his sister because she was in charge of him.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: And we didn't think that that would look good for
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: her to do that. We didn't think she should have
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: that responsibility. And so we had the sisters pull the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: plug on him. Right.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And then he soon after died. So what was people's
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: reaction after they found out that you had killed him
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: in self-defense? Finally, were these people coming to your defense
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: and saying, yes, this is something we went through and
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: we're so happy that he's gone?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: I've honestly found out a lot more since, to be honest. Recently,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I found out that some of his family had a
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: funeral for him. And then some of his family didn't
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: go to the funeral. Some of his family was sad
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: by the news. Some women were sad by the news,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: but understood what I had to do. It was just
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: very complex. And I'm not going to lie, I found
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: out people are still angry with me for taking his life,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: some family members. I will forever have the support from
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: one of his sisters. However, he's had a different relationship
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: with a lot of people.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that. And do you have a relationship
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: with his children? Have you ever spoken to them?
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. No, I love Emily and Abigail. I guess he
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: has another son too. And then another daughter.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: One of the daughters will never know he's her dad though. Um,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: she has a great stepdad in her life and she
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: also is, um, A little bit mentally. I think she's
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: autistic or something or has Down syndrome, but she has
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: something where she can't really connect the dots that like
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: you can't accept that that would be her dad, if
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: that makes sense, if you were to even tell her.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: So he has a daughter, that one daughter, and then
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: he has two, Emily and Abigail from Tanya. And then
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: he also has a son that you find out in
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Tanya's book that he has. And I also found out
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: from her book that he had a son. And I
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: was like, wait, Tanya. And I've never met him. I've
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: heard great things about him. But I kind of am like,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I think that might be weird for me to reach
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: out to him and be like, hey, do you want
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: to be friends? Yeah. I think that has to be
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: on his part. But I'm open to getting to know
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: him as well, you know? Right. So.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Do you think that this has finally brought your sister
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and your mom and you closer together now that this
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: is all over?
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I think that it really has helped bridge the generational
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: trauma gap. I think that we're able to have so
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: many conversations in openness about stuff where in the past,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think we would have been able to. And
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's a really beautiful journey because my mom
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: is healing from her trauma and My sister is healing
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: from her trauma. I've done a lot of my healing work.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I say the healing journey is forever, but I'm at
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: a really great place, to be honest. So I think
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: that it's been such a blessing in disguise.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad to hear that. So my biggest
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: question is, is your mom dating? Or is she able
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: to date now that this has happened to her?
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Well, she actually was engaged to someone recently. A couple
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: years or maybe like four years after John. He was
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: a nice guy. It just didn't work out. But he
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: was there for her. She actually got cancer in her eye.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: It's weird because it was the same eye that I
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: stabbed John in. So it's just weird how the body
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: keeps the score. And that's how her body accumulated the
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: trauma as well.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: And how is she doing now?
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: He's good. She doesn't have cancer right now. And that
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: guy was very helpful in her journey. So I appreciate him.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: We're still friends with him. However, that's not her person.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: And she's dating someone right now. However, my family does
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: have rules. We won't meet the guy for six months.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: But from what you hear about him, are you okay
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: with how that's going?
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: He's a firefighter. Okay. And so that's great to me
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: because it means that you like to help other people out,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: but you're not looking for that big paycheck. Right. Okay.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's good. So what would your advice be to
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: people that are going through some sort of a trauma
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: or they've been through a trauma?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I would say my advice is to get help, get therapy. Okay.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: But be particular. Not every therapist is for you. And
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: not every therapist has helped me in my journey. Meet
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: with someone that knows what you're going through. Even don't
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: be closed off to trauma coaches. I do trauma coaching
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: and I get results from my clients where they say,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I've been in therapy for 12 years and I've never
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: learned about this, Tara. My therapist never taught me about this.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And this has helped me so much in my life,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: like learning about the nervous system, learning about breath work,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: learning about narcissism. Therapists aren't trained to know about narcissists.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: You have to look for a therapist that knows narcissism.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: But not only that, I mean, they're trained by going
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to school. It's a totally different thing to have someone
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: that knows what you've been through because they've been through
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: that experience. And sometimes you really need to connect with
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: someone That's been in your shoes because otherwise you're just
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: telling someone who's getting their information or their experience through books.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And that doesn't always cross over and make a lot
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: of sense.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: No. And, you know, they're being taught the DSMs and
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of studies that, you know, maybe
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: these stigmas aren't really reality.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I do believe that some people are 100% narcissistic personality disorder,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: antisocial personality disorder. However, a lot of people are so complex.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: And I want to say abuse is abuse. Toxic is toxic.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: So if you're in something like that, get out. Try
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: to figure a way out of that. Be careful, though.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Make the plan. And you have to understand that people
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: can be toxic, but... Those people, if you don't enable them,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: maybe they might be able to learn and grow. You know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: a true narcissist, a true antisocial personality disorder, I don't
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: think can truly do that. But if a person, say,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: was diagnosed borderline and they have a copious amount of trauma,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: maybe they just need to work on that trauma and
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: heal from that trauma. And then it might make you
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: aware of the other things and your other behaviors in
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: your life. Yeah. I have been that toxic person at times.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: And I can say I'm not a narcissist. I'm not bipolar.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not borderline. But I've been diagnosed as those things.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: And until I really got with other therapists after my attack,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I've asked them about those diagnoses. And they've been like, no,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: you have CPTSD.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: And what would your advice be to people who know
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: someone in a toxic relationship how to sort of help
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: them communicate that and communicate what they see so that
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: those people can get out of danger. Because like we
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, sometimes when somebody's so blinded by love,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: they just do not see it. And then they end
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: up isolating themselves from all their friends. And it becomes
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: really dangerous.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I think that if you're that friend, you need to
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: 100% have boundaries for yourself. So know how much you're
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: giving to that person. You know, if you're giving too
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: much where it makes you stressed out all the time,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: pull back and tell them that you need to do
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: this and do that. But do like a compliment sandwich.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Like I like to tell someone if I can't get together,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I would love to get together. I can't right now.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe next Tuesday. Something like that. You know, boundaries don't
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: have to be so hard if you know how to
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: communicate them. Right.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: So now tell people what you're doing in this podcast
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: that you have.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: So I have Survivor Squad podcast with Collier Landry. He
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: is a fellow survivor. And we interview different survivors on
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: our podcast, get to know their stories, get to know
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: what comes next after the healing, everything. And it's really
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: interesting because we get to have a conversation with survivors.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: And we all have unique perspectives, but we are able
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: to relate to each other on a whole other level.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: And then I also have my coaching. I do Moving
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Past Trauma Mondays. We call it your Landry, where we
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: go through trauma. We teach you certain tools. We talk
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: about certain situations. We talk about the nervous system. We
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: talk about breath work. We talk about so much more.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: And you really get to learn more. your relationship patterns,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: your trauma patterns, and get to know yourself.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Does your mom listen to your podcast?
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: She does. She's supposed to be a guest on it
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: soon as well, but we haven't recorded her episode yet
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: because she's kind of like really easily available to me.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Exactly. She can be the backup when a guest comes out. Yeah, yeah. Okay,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: so tell people where they can find your podcast and
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: where they can locate you if they want to.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Talk to you.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: My podcast, Survivor Squad Podcast, should be available where any
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: podcasts are available. We are also on YouTube and we
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: have a Patreon. Support us on Patreon.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Well, Tara, thank you so much. I wish you the best.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Please give our best to your mom and your sister.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I will.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Take care.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: It's Dunaidial.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Dunaidial.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: There's an accent on the E.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Lift? Please. Are you going past Kimmage?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kimmage.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.