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Speaker 1: It's the good report tonight. The Abenezy government blames Iran
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Speaker 1: for the far bombing of two Jewish targets, but the
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Speaker 1: criminal who allegedly arranged the attacks shows our politicians share
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Speaker 1: some guilt. Well, So tonight shock inflation figures as the
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Speaker 1: Abeneze government's green energy plans flop and should we ban
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Speaker 1: burning the Australian flag? Liberals talk about it, but Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump has just done it. Plus the airline that does
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Speaker 1: a real welcome to our country. But first, Brittany Higgins
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Speaker 1: now faces ruined for her lies and shame on the
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Speaker 1: media and labor for helping a young and silly woman
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Speaker 1: destroy herself. Higgins today was found by the WA Supreme
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Speaker 1: Court who have falsely smeared her former boss, then defenseman,
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Speaker 1: ster Linda Reynold, painting her as a woman so vile
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Speaker 1: that she tried to stop Higgins from telling police she
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Speaker 1: had been raped by a colleague in Reynolds's own office.
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Speaker 1: The judge found Higgins made no fewer than twenty six
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Speaker 1: false statements to the media and some of her claims
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Speaker 1: about the supposed cover up were just dishonest. For that,
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Speaker 1: and for falsely claiming Reynolds at arrested her. Higgins must
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Speaker 1: now pay Reynolds more than three hundred and forty thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: and she seemed sure to also have to pay massive
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Speaker 1: legal costs.
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Speaker 2: Today, Justice Tottle has definitively established the truth. There was
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Speaker 2: no conspiracy and there was no political cover up of
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Speaker 2: a rape. It is a great relief that my reputation
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Speaker 2: has been finally and fully vindicated. I was falsely accused
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Speaker 2: of conspiring with the then Prime Minister to cover up
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Speaker 2: the rape of a young woman in my office. This
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Speaker 2: lie was so shocking, it was so despicable and so
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Speaker 2: devastating that I had no choice but to stand up
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Speaker 2: to all and keep fighting, no matter how many times
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Speaker 2: I was knocked down.
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Speaker 1: So there won't be much change left from the two
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Speaker 1: point four million dollars compensation Higgins got from the grateful
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Speaker 1: Orbanezi government of our money partly for this cockonball story
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Speaker 1: of coalition persecution and mistreatment. Now already Hearers has had
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Speaker 1: to sell their house in France, as she bought after
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Speaker 1: cashing the government's check. But let's not forget the people
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Speaker 1: Reynolds referred to today who lured Higgins to this disaster
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Speaker 1: by treating her every word is true, by lapping up
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Speaker 1: the lies, by turning her into a hero victim.
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Speaker 2: This action was always it was always about the dishonest
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Speaker 2: and devastating attack of my reputation that was based on
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Speaker 2: very carefully curated lies by miss Higgins, mister Chiraz and
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Speaker 2: the well documented co conspirators with them.
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Speaker 1: Now, the problem here is that he was a gift
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Speaker 1: from God for labor and leftist activists and leftist journalists.
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Speaker 1: When higginson now husband David Charaz launched a media campaign
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Speaker 1: who embarrassed Reynolds and Scott Morrison's coalition government. Now Channel
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Speaker 1: ten and the ABC, they just swallowed her cover up
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Speaker 1: story because I reckon just suited their left wing anti
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Speaker 1: Morrison prejudices. In my opinion, here's Lisa Wilkinson then attends the.
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Speaker 3: Project Tonight claims of rape, roadblocks to a police investigation
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Speaker 3: and a young woman forced to choose between her career
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Speaker 3: and the pursuit of justice, and it all happened right
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Speaker 3: in the heart of our democracy.
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Speaker 1: The ABC four Corners, it was no better Tonight On.
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Speaker 4: Four Corners we investigate how her story was kept secret
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Speaker 4: for almost two years and why she feels her cries
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Speaker 4: for help was stifled by the Canbra machine and expectations
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Speaker 4: of party loyalty.
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Speaker 1: A Labor under Anthony Albanzi just grabbed and ran with
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Speaker 1: this cover up story. I mean, it's just so perfect
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Speaker 1: for painting. The Liberals is anti women and anthy had
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Speaker 1: a field day in Parliament. In fact, Labour senders Penny
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Speaker 1: Wong and Katie Gallaher you might remember they were famously
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Speaker 1: dubbed mean girls by the late Labor Senator Kimberly Kitchen
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Speaker 1: subjected Reynolds to questioning so vicious that she crumbled.
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Speaker 2: Senator Gallagher, I did answer your questions to the point
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Speaker 2: that you ground me to the ground and.
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Speaker 5: Ended me ended up in hospital. But I'm bad.
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Speaker 2: I'm answering questions. I'm answering questions, and I'm a sellage.
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Speaker 5: That we put you in hospital.
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Speaker 6: You just let I put you in hospital, Senator Reynolds.
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Speaker 5: Well, if so, you're the big.
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Speaker 2: Order, Senator Wong, nobody questions, nobody takes pleasure.
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Speaker 7: I'd like to respond to.
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Speaker 2: Having two sorts yell at me at the same jobs.
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Speaker 1: Activists also held a women's protest outside Parliament House, howling
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Speaker 1: insults of the Morrison government and they're rising in saintly
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Speaker 1: white to the microphone? Was Higgins that hero victim raising
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Speaker 1: to the lure of the TV cameras?
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Speaker 8: But I don't believe people should be isolated, intimidated and
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Speaker 8: ignored after traumatic incidents.
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Speaker 1: Since then, the young woman dazzled by the power of
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Speaker 1: being a victim. Yet, as I suspected even at the time,
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Speaker 1: none of her claims of a cover up were true.
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Speaker 1: Reynolds had, on the contrary, urged Higgins to go to police,
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Speaker 1: and Reynolds chief of staff. You and A Brown offered
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Speaker 1: much support, but so many people wanted her story to
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Speaker 1: be true. They wanted it to destroy the Morrison government
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Speaker 1: with it, or affirm women as victims. I don't know
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Speaker 1: so much so that the truth no longer mattered. And
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Speaker 1: indeed the Morrison government was duly smashed. So was Reynolds.
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Speaker 1: She was dumped by Morrison, her reputation shredded, and she
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Speaker 1: has spent four years and millions of dollars to have
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Speaker 1: the truth finally acknowledged, which is good for her, devastating
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Speaker 1: for Higgins. But will Labor now apologize for how it
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Speaker 1: treated Reynolds? And it is at least hope that Australians
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Speaker 1: learn again that the greatest enemy of truth is a
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Speaker 1: baying mob. Now, Britney Higgins refused so long to admit
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Speaker 1: to her lies or apologize for them. Today she did
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Speaker 1: issue a statement that still admitted nothing except that she'd
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Speaker 1: hurt Reynolds. She said, I was twenty four years old
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Speaker 1: when I was sexually insulted in Parliament House. Six years
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Speaker 1: have passed, the years marked by challenged scrutiny and change.
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Speaker 1: I accept that Lynda reynolds feelings were hurt, but these
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Speaker 1: events and I'm sorry for that. I wish her well
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Speaker 1: for the future. My family and I now look forward
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Speaker 1: to feeling and rebuilding her lives well. Rounds wasn't hurt
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Speaker 1: by events but by lies. Higgins joining me is Chris Merritt,
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Speaker 1: Vice President of the Rule of the Lord's Stude of Australia. Chris,
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Speaker 1: great to see you. There was no cover up of
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Speaker 1: higgins rape, says the judge. This is a devastating judgment
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Speaker 1: against Higgins.
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Speaker 9: And it's the second one to make that point. This
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Speaker 9: is exactly what Justice Lee in the Federal Court concluded
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Speaker 9: as well. It's also devastating for the media. The media
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Speaker 9: if they read this judgment. There are page after page
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Speaker 9: after page of falsehood's, untrue statements that were related by
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Speaker 9: Miss Higgins to the media, various outfits in the media
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Speaker 9: which formed the building blocks of the cover up, and
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Speaker 9: the cover up which Justice Tottle is, like Justice Lee
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Speaker 9: has now concluded just didn't exist, just didn't happen. But
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Speaker 9: you've got to look at that judgment also, it's a
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Speaker 9: big insight into where miss Higgins got this idea from
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Speaker 9: the judge. Justice Tottle points to the fact that on
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Speaker 9: miss Higgins's own evidence, she was profoundly influenced by the
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Speaker 9: ABC program The Canberra Bubble, and she subsequently colored that's
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Speaker 9: the term that the judge used, colored her story about
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Speaker 9: what happened to align with the ABC narrative, which didn't
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Speaker 9: The narrative from miss Higgins didn't have any substance. So
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Speaker 9: that's the root of the problem and that's the lesson
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Speaker 9: for the media. This is a young woman who was
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Speaker 9: clearly traumatized, and the judge does make the point that
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Speaker 9: allowance does need to be made for inconsistencies in the
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Speaker 9: evidence of sexual assault victims about the sexual assault, but
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Speaker 9: he also made the point that that trauma does not
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Speaker 9: explain the subsequent untrue aspects of her story about a
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Speaker 9: cover up, and they were immense. She speculated she convinced
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Speaker 9: herself that there was a cover up without regard to
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Speaker 9: the facts. That's what the judge found. And this is
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Speaker 9: the story that the media picked up.
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Speaker 1: And ran with.
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Speaker 9: And it also became the foundation for a substantial part
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Speaker 9: of the payout that the federal the federal labor government
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Speaker 9: made to miss Higgins, not for the rape, but for
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Speaker 9: the way this incident was allegedly handled by former Senator Reynolds.
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Speaker 1: Now, the.
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Speaker 9: Latest judgment, Justice Tottle's judgment says that there is there's
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Speaker 9: no evidence there was no mishandling of this accusation of
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Speaker 9: this incident by Senator Reynolds. And he also makes the
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Speaker 9: point that Senator Reynolds, it was perfectly legitimate for Senator
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Speaker 9: Reynolds to raise the nature of the payout when she
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Speaker 9: knew that substantial parts of that payout were based on
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Speaker 9: accusations that were simply untrue.
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Speaker 1: That's in this judgment. I know, you put it beautifully well,
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Speaker 1: the judge did too. I mean, essentially, really, Chris, what
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Speaker 1: you've said is that Britney Higgins saw an ABC program
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Speaker 1: which smashed the liberals or this terrible treatment of women,
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Speaker 1: and she essentially wrote herself into that script. And the ABC,
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Speaker 1: loving this story that it in fact prepped there for,
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Speaker 1: ran with it unquestioningly, and you know, double the damage
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Speaker 1: on poor Linda Reynolds, who today is vindicated. And Chris,
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Speaker 1: like you've raised before, raises big questions about the labor payout,
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Speaker 1: the Albanize government's payout two point four million dollars of
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Speaker 1: our money and whether we will ever get it back.
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Speaker 1: I suspect not. Look, Chris Merritt put it extremely well,
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. Unbelievable well shot.
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Speaker 1: News on inflation today. Inflation jump last month much more
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Speaker 1: than expected to two point eight percent, up from one
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Speaker 1: point nine. That's giving us the highest annual inflation for
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Speaker 1: a year. And why well because half the rise was
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Speaker 1: of an outrageous thirteen percent jump in power prices. Now,
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Speaker 1: to be fair, that's part because people in New South
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Speaker 1: Wales and the AET didn't get their quarterly seventy five
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Speaker 1: dollars under the federal government centergy bill relief in July.
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Speaker 1: They'll get it in August. But that simply shows how
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Speaker 1: much these payments government payments from your taxes actually cover
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Speaker 1: up the fact that literacy is much more expensive under
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Speaker 1: this government. But it answered a simple question about all
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Speaker 1: this rise, particularly in power prices, with mockery and insults.
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Speaker 10: Can the treasure explain to the House why electricity prices
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Speaker 10: have jumped an extraordinary thirteen percent over the past twelve months?
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Speaker 1: It's called to the Treasure, Mister speaker. I want to
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Speaker 1: be really clear and say that the last person on
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Speaker 1: Earth that I will be lectured on lectured about energy
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Speaker 1: prices is the Member for Fairfact Labor laughs and you
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Speaker 1: pay join me and Cameron Milner Formative staff to Labor
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Speaker 1: Leader Bill Shorten, our director of Strategies, and Michael Costa,
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Speaker 1: former New South Wales Labor Treasurer. Michael Costa terrible surprise
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Speaker 1: leap in inflation. I guess this makes the chance of
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Speaker 1: an interest rate cut the next time the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 1: meets much lower.
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Speaker 11: Well, I didn't expect to see an interest rate cut
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Speaker 11: at the next meeting because of the last one, and
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Speaker 11: I still think the trend is down. Was Andrew, but
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Speaker 11: I look, it's pretty clear that we've got a very
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Speaker 11: foolish policy at the center of all of this, you've
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Speaker 11: got the government putting subsidies in to give how a
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Speaker 11: relief on energy prices for political reasons. At the same
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Speaker 11: time it's meeting the cost of that through general taxation.
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Speaker 11: I mean, this is a classic case of a merry
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Speaker 11: go round of waste. And not only that, you know,
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Speaker 11: it's a bit rich for charmers to get out there
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Speaker 11: and try and do a pool. Keeping on the Shadow
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Speaker 11: Opposition spokesman on this, because he spent last week lecturing
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Speaker 11: as all us about inter generational equity, and I can
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Speaker 11: tell you that their energy policy is one of the
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Speaker 11: worst forms of examples of you know, in a generational inequity.
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Speaker 11: You've got wealthy baby boomers and others being subsidized to
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Speaker 11: put solar panels and batteries and evs in their driveways
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Speaker 11: at the expense of young people who can't even get
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Speaker 11: into a house or live in apartments. So the whole
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Speaker 11: policy is bonkers, it's foolish. It's another example of tax
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Speaker 11: spend and waste. And there's no excuse for this. The
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Speaker 11: Reserve Bank will see through this as it always has,
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Speaker 11: but the dumb policy remains at the center of their
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Speaker 11: net zero foolishness.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the governments Now I've got to Spain for electricity,
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Speaker 1: not just in the power bills but in general taxation,
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Speaker 1: which people don't they hope won't notice. But just the
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Speaker 1: Cameron to show what trouble the government's push to switches
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Speaker 1: from coal to wind and solaris is in at the moment.
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Speaker 1: The just this week, the ten billion dollar wind farm
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Speaker 1: that the government's expecting off the coast of the New
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Speaker 1: South Wales will now be scrapped. There was going to
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Speaker 1: be our biggest stuff sure wind project. The Norwegian company
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Speaker 1: that was going to help build the generators has pulled out.
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Speaker 1: It's too expensive. And that's after last month the project
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Speaker 1: off the Hunter Valley also collapsing. Now the government's wind
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Speaker 1: power schemes, Cameron, are turned into a huge embarrassment, aren't
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Speaker 1: they a bit like the collapse of the many green
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Speaker 1: Hudreden schemes. Well, that's right, and there's Michael Lows.
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Speaker 6: I mean, there was a lot of community concern about
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Speaker 6: those offshore wind farms around Newcastle and the ones in
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Speaker 6: Hunter Valley, so it wasn't just about whether they are
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Speaker 6: technically possible.
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Speaker 1: The community did want them either.
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Speaker 6: So there's a lot of.
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Speaker 1: Issues there now.
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Speaker 6: I think this issue and a bit like the ultricity price.
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Speaker 6: To Andrew, I mean, the government's all very good at
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Speaker 6: throwing subsidies out the door when they had an election,
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Speaker 6: and they're bringing down the cost of living crisis, very
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Speaker 6: happy to take it off the table straight after as well.
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Speaker 6: So that's the issue, and I think this is where
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Speaker 6: the vulnerability is for labor. It's a cost of transition.
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Speaker 1: Andrew.
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Speaker 6: I don't think it's about whether we get to net
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Speaker 6: zero twenty fifty. I think it's becoming political authoroxy. It's
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Speaker 6: the cost of the transition which makes labor really vulnerable,
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Speaker 6: and that's where the Coalition should be going.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they're having trouble, of course, because they went to
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Speaker 1: the last election promising essentially higher taxes. So that was
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Speaker 1: a very stupid move. They're going to be crucified for Angus.
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Speaker 1: Taylor keeps on giving back today. It's something very interesting today, Michael,
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Speaker 1: and maybe I'm reading too much into it. You'll tell
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Speaker 1: me about defense mister Richard Miles rush to Washington. He
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Speaker 1: said Sunday was going to meet the Defense Secretary of
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Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth. Apparently you're talking about our deal to buy
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Speaker 1: three nuclear submarines from the US. It's a deal that
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Speaker 1: the US is in fact now rethinking. And hem Seth
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Speaker 1: has demanded in the past, we've raised our defense spending
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Speaker 1: from the current pathetic two percent of GDP to five percent.
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Speaker 1: The government's refused. But Hexseth yesterday when it was with
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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump, seemed to hint that maybe we have
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Speaker 1: just given in.
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Speaker 12: Haven't listen, you name it, whether it's Europe, our allies
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Speaker 12: paying five percent, now our allies in the indoor Pacific
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Speaker 12: stepping up to do the same.
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Speaker 13: That's a recognition that American leadership is here now.
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Speaker 1: By the way, Hegseth wasn't available when Males first landed
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Speaker 1: for the visit. He thought the scheduled confusion there, but
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Speaker 1: it did. Males deadly meet both Hegseth and you were
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Speaker 1: Secretary Saint Marco Rubo later very high pound. So, Michael,
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Speaker 1: what chances have squeezed miles in the government into giving
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Speaker 1: in and spending much more on the defense to save
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Speaker 1: this submarines steal?
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Speaker 11: I think you're being very optimistic, Andrew. I think this
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Speaker 11: government is under such budget pressure that it's scramping around
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Speaker 11: looking for any sort of tax for budget repair. I
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Speaker 11: doubt that it will lift defense spending to five percent.
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Speaker 11: Perhaps I'll lift it by one percent or something and
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Speaker 11: look at a compromise, but I doubt they'll go to
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Speaker 11: the five percent. I just don't think they can afford it.
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Speaker 11: And there's where the problem is. I mean, the fundamental
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Speaker 11: first principle of any government is to be able to
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Speaker 11: defend the realm, and we've allowed defense spending in this country,
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Speaker 11: both under Labor and the Liberals, to be fair to
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Speaker 11: decline and put ourselves in a vulnerable position. I'm really
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Speaker 11: worried about the subs, Andrew. I think the US needs
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Speaker 11: the suffer subs for its own defense, and it needs
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Speaker 11: a reliable ally. At the moment, we're an unreliable ally.
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Speaker 11: We're not spending on defense, and in addition, we're doing
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Speaker 11: stupid things like Palestinian recognition, which runs counter to what
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Speaker 11: our principal ally position is. So I think we're in
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Speaker 11: a real position of possibly losing the sum reads, or
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Speaker 11: at least getting them shifted in terms of timetabling.
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Speaker 1: Cameron Milner, where do you stand on what I just showed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I suspect I probably am being to
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Speaker 1: it optimiss it, but you can only read it two
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Speaker 1: one of two ways as a hint that we're giving
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Speaker 1: in to some of the pressure to spend more on defense,
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Speaker 1: or you could say head Seth was really underlining we
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Speaker 1: better step up to the plate with more defense spending
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Speaker 1: or we really will have problems not just with him
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Speaker 1: but with Trump.
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Speaker 6: Well, Andrew, it's clear we need to spend more on defense,
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Speaker 6: and I actually agree with the US sixty of defense
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Speaker 6: which he says peace through strength. I mean, we need
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Speaker 6: to be a lot stronger to project peace in our region.
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Speaker 6: And that's what the credical problem with the Obane's government
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Speaker 6: been so weak on defenses and so cuddling up to China,
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Speaker 6: culing up to Palestine. I mean, this is the problem.
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Speaker 6: We need a strong defense force. We need to fund
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Speaker 6: it properly. And to your point, Michael, yes, the budget
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Speaker 6: will have to stretch, but we have to step up
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Speaker 6: and carry out part in our region.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But how to read what ted Seth said. Was
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Speaker 1: it a threat? Was it an announcement? I do not know.
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Speaker 1: I guess the interesting thing is they didn't give a
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Speaker 1: press conference after their meeting, and there's been little said
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Speaker 1: about what was banded around at such a high power meeting,
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Speaker 1: so I guess you will have to wait and see.
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Speaker 1: Michael Cockader Cameron Milner, thank you both for very much
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Speaker 1: for your time after the break. Iran blamed for two
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Speaker 1: fire bombings on Jewish targets in Australia, but the games
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Speaker 1: that said to have arranged the attacks show us that
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Speaker 1: our politicians helped make it all possible. Now, we can't
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Speaker 1: just let the Abdiza government blame the worst attacks on
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Speaker 1: Jewish targets here, only on Iran, not when you see
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Speaker 1: the criminal now widely suspected to be in the game.
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Speaker 1: Boss Irun got to arrange the fire bombing of the
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Speaker 1: Enough Synagogue in Melbourne and a Kosher restaurant in Sydney.
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Speaker 1: No politicians right here helped it now. First, as I
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Speaker 1: said last night, our government thought that Australia, well we
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Speaker 1: could just sit out Iran's war in Israel as if
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Speaker 1: it was an attack on our civilization as well. Iran
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Speaker 1: had sponsored the mass terrorists who started the guards war
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Speaker 1: by slaughtering twelve hundred Israelis. It sponsored the Hebealad terrorists
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Speaker 1: who fired rockets at Israel and around itself fired missides
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Speaker 1: at Israel. This government just hold Israel ah, just show
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Speaker 1: restraint when you're responding to all these attacks and now
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Speaker 1: is rewarding Iran by recognizing a Palestinian state. The government
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Speaker 1: even refused, please by the opposition and Jewish leaders ever
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Speaker 1: since this proxy war bay Iran on Israel started two
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Speaker 1: years ago, pleaded with it to do what it's now
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Speaker 1: finally done, boot out is Ruan's ambassady, declare its Islamic
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Speaker 1: Revolutionary Guards, cort terrorists organization, but g the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: didn't like being reminded of his delaying and stalling.
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Speaker 7: Today, for over two years, the government's ignored warnings from
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Speaker 7: the Persian community, the Jewish community and the Coalition about
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Speaker 7: Iran fire bombings and terror with the result. For two
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Speaker 7: months the government has had the report of its own
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Speaker 7: anti Semitism Envoy with actions to protect not just the
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Speaker 7: Jewish community but all Australians, but has done nothing. Why
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Speaker 7: is it when it comes to taking these threats seriously?
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Speaker 7: This government is always playing catch up.
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Speaker 14: What we're seeing here, though, is a political response which
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Speaker 14: is entirely inappropriate and entirely different from the leadership of
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Speaker 14: the Jewish community that he raises.
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Speaker 1: But both sides of policies serve for years been too
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Speaker 1: dumb or naive. Look again at this gang leader around
22:38
Speaker 1: supposedly used Kazim Hahmad, who first came to Australia as
22:42
Speaker 1: a refugee in nineteen ninety eight when he was fourteen,
22:45
Speaker 1: a shier Muslim born in Iraq. We let this guy
22:49
Speaker 1: and his parentcy in, even though it seems that people
22:51
Speaker 1: from such tribal and war torn countries are more likely
22:55
Speaker 1: to have trouble fitting in. And sure enough Hamada twenty
22:58
Speaker 1: five had already been convicted of robbery and armed robbery
23:02
Speaker 1: and burglary and unlawful of soult and so many other crimes.
23:05
Speaker 1: But his lawyer had an excuse back then that have
23:08
Speaker 1: heard too often to excuse refugees breaking our laws. Ahmad
23:12
Speaker 1: had been traumatized by what had gone through, And I'm thinking, yeah,
23:18
Speaker 1: well that's natural, But why should we then import that
23:21
Speaker 1: trauma that's so dangerous to us? And why does this
23:25
Speaker 1: government lead in even now three thousand Palestinians from terrorists
23:28
Speaker 1: around Gaza, especially when we saw youths of Middle Eastern
23:32
Speaker 1: appearance at this month's anti Israel protest at Sydney harbor Bridge,
23:35
Speaker 1: holding a post of around supreme leader, flying insn't as flags,
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Speaker 1: yelling war cries.
23:42
Speaker 15: How blood and their blood is wine, How struggle and
23:44
Speaker 15: death struggle is wine.
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Speaker 1: How war and there war was on. But to make
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Speaker 1: us even bigger mugs. Our government's made this cousin Harmad
23:52
Speaker 1: rich and powerful with a massive tax and cigarettes. Greedy
23:57
Speaker 1: governments raise attack so much they now take twenty eight
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Speaker 1: dollars for every packet of twenty, pushing the total price
24:03
Speaker 1: past forty And who can afford that? Smokers then switched,
24:07
Speaker 1: of course, to cheap illegal tobacco buying, so much that
24:11
Speaker 1: the government's annual tax take has plummeted in five years
24:15
Speaker 1: from sixteen billion dollars to justin expected seven. And they
24:20
Speaker 1: made Hamad a multimillionaire in the meantime, maybe even a billionaire.
24:26
Speaker 1: He sells illegal tobacco, and he's accused of fire bombing
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Speaker 1: the stores of rivals and of people who aren't paying protection.
24:33
Speaker 1: He's believed to be behind many of the two hundred
24:36
Speaker 1: arson attacks so far. Now Hamad runs things from Iraq
24:41
Speaker 1: since he was deported after serving time for smuggling heroine,
24:45
Speaker 1: and that of course puts him within arm's reach of
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Speaker 1: Iran and of its proxies in Iraq. So who better
24:53
Speaker 1: for Iran to turn to to find the kind of
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Speaker 1: fire bombers that Hamad is He in Australia already. So
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Speaker 1: you can blame Iran, but do not forget how our
25:06
Speaker 1: own politicians imported such trouble, made it stronger, and were
25:11
Speaker 1: so blind to the forces that can turn Hammad against
25:14
Speaker 1: the country that stupidly once gave him a home. Join
25:19
Speaker 1: me as ron Dina to in chief The Spectator Australia
25:21
Speaker 1: hosts of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am and hosts
25:25
Speaker 1: of his own show on Fridays at seven pm. Rowan,
25:29
Speaker 1: these firebombings were all around's fault if you listen to
25:32
Speaker 1: the government, true or not.
25:35
Speaker 16: Absolute nonsense. We invited the monster in and now where
25:38
Speaker 16: the monsters behaving as monsters always do. Andrew As far
25:42
Speaker 16: back as the phrase he is, I think it was
25:44
Speaker 16: there were warnings that our multicultural immigration policy would end
25:50
Speaker 16: up with the tax on Jews. So those warnings were
25:53
Speaker 16: back in the I think even going back to the
25:55
Speaker 16: Whitlam years. The point was we deliberately we knew that
25:59
Speaker 16: if you more and more people in large numbers from
26:03
Speaker 16: theocratic regimes, from regimes and cultures that are not democracies
26:09
Speaker 16: like ours, regimes and cultures that are very anti Semitic,
26:14
Speaker 16: that have completely different sets of values. If we invite
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Speaker 16: them en mass into our country, we will read the will.
26:22
Speaker 16: We will reap what we invite in we will we
26:24
Speaker 16: will be damaged. Accordingly. Now, you had some politicians like
26:27
Speaker 16: paulin Enhance and warned repeatedly against our excessive immigration policies.
26:31
Speaker 16: They were ignored. Both sides of politics basically have played
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Speaker 16: the multicultural card and pretended that you can invite anyone
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Speaker 16: from anywhere and all adopt our values. The most sickening
26:43
Speaker 16: thing you mentioned the Harbor Bridge. The most sickening thing
26:46
Speaker 16: about the Harbor Bridge March only a couple of weeks ago,
26:50
Speaker 16: wet and cold and rainy though it was, There were
26:52
Speaker 16: massive crowds there of people who clearly supported the Iya,
26:56
Speaker 16: toilet of Iran, clearly supported Hamas, clearly supported eye al Qaeda.
27:01
Speaker 16: They flew all the ribbons and banners. They made the chance,
27:04
Speaker 16: the death chance to the IDF. And this is only
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Speaker 16: a fraction of what Australia has deliberately imported over decades refusing.
27:15
Speaker 16: And again it's critical to make this distinction. You cannot
27:18
Speaker 16: have an immigration policy that refuses to assimilate the people
27:23
Speaker 16: coming in and that views integration as a dirty word.
27:27
Speaker 16: That's the mistake that every government has made since the
27:30
Speaker 16: Whitler years. And Jewish people are now suffering, but not
27:34
Speaker 16: only Jewish people, all Australians. Any Australian individual could have
27:40
Speaker 16: died and may yet die in attacks that are paid
27:43
Speaker 16: for and sponsored for sure by Iran, but which are
27:47
Speaker 16: carried out by very, very willing adherents whose people in
27:52
Speaker 16: this country might be first, second generation, whatever, whose loyalties
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Speaker 16: are to the theocratic regime of it Iran or any
28:01
Speaker 16: of the other entities in the Islamic world that hate
28:04
Speaker 16: Jews and hate the West and until Australians get rid of.
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Speaker 1: So we got to ask rong. We got to ask
28:12
Speaker 1: if Iran is down to burning synagogues and Kosher restaurants,
28:20
Speaker 1: how do you know they're not doing also the simple
28:23
Speaker 1: things like funding some protests organizations. How do you know that?
28:27
Speaker 1: I don't know that, do you? I don't Also, I
28:30
Speaker 1: was struck by now you go ahead, Well.
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Speaker 16: I was just going to say those governments like Iran
28:37
Speaker 16: or those players like Iran and others would look at
28:40
Speaker 16: Australia and look at the Albanesi governments and say, wow,
28:43
Speaker 16: they recognize Palestine. They criticize Israel every five minutes, they
28:47
Speaker 16: do everything in the United Nations. They're on our side.
28:50
Speaker 16: There will be plenty of people in that country we
28:52
Speaker 16: can use to create mischief and havoc. And the Albanzi
28:56
Speaker 16: government I believe. I'm not sure if it's true, but
28:58
Speaker 16: I believe we're aware of the Iranian connections to some
29:01
Speaker 16: of these anti Semitic attacks before they recognized palasign so
29:06
Speaker 16: they went ahead reward. Iran would be leaping with joy
29:10
Speaker 16: along with her Maas and has Boler and everyone else
29:12
Speaker 16: that Australia recognized Palestine. It's time for the Albanesi government,
29:18
Speaker 16: if they're serious about tacking this problem, to turn round
29:20
Speaker 16: an unrecognized Palestine and say we made a mistake. We
29:24
Speaker 16: were rewarding entities like Iran through those actions and we
29:28
Speaker 16: are encouraging attacks against Australians. No governments should be allowing
29:34
Speaker 16: attacks against Australians.
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Speaker 1: If it wants to payback Iran for this outrageous attack,
29:42
Speaker 1: what better than to say and by the way recognition
29:45
Speaker 1: of Palistines now off our regenc site. Brilliant. Let's see
29:49
Speaker 1: if it's got the guts. Rowan, brilliant. Thank you so much,
29:53
Speaker 1: indeed for your time, Ron Dean. After the break, Liberal
29:56
Speaker 1: politicians say ban burning the flag, but Donald Trump's just
30:01
Speaker 1: showed them the way. See Sean Spicer on that and
30:04
Speaker 1: more after this. Some things are supposedly so sacred that
30:12
Speaker 1: we have laws against even photographing them, which is why
30:15
Speaker 1: two travel influences from America have been ordered to delete
30:19
Speaker 1: photographs of Oo Laru or be fined. But burning our flag,
30:25
Speaker 1: which a lot of Australians would also consider, you know,
30:28
Speaker 1: kind of sacred, well, no problem there. It gets burned
30:32
Speaker 1: a pro Palestinian protests, it gets burned by race warriors too,
30:37
Speaker 1: and liberal and peace say well that's enough. We need
30:42
Speaker 1: a law.
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Speaker 17: Make it a national law that you cannot burn the
30:46
Speaker 17: Australian flag. It is not just a piece of fabric.
30:49
Speaker 17: It is something that brings our nation together. It also
30:53
Speaker 17: should unites this country. We should be proud of Australia
30:56
Speaker 17: and what we've achieved, but also remember that those that
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Speaker 17: fought and die under this flag pave the way for
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Speaker 17: this country, and we should honor them by making this
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Speaker 17: a criminal offense.
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Speaker 1: But in the United States, Donald Trump this week beat
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Speaker 1: them to it in a way. There's actually very strong
31:12
Speaker 1: laws in the US defending free speech, which means, you know,
31:16
Speaker 1: up to now burn the flag. But Trump is signed
31:19
Speaker 1: an executive order telling officials to take action wherever possibly
31:22
Speaker 1: against flag burners who they can argue were inciting violence
31:29
Speaker 1: by burning flags.
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Speaker 15: All over the country. They're burning flags all over the world.
31:34
Speaker 15: They burn the American flag and as you know, through
31:38
Speaker 15: a very sad court. I guess it was a five
31:41
Speaker 15: to four decision. They called it freedom of speech. But
31:44
Speaker 15: there's another reason, which is perhaps much more important. It's
31:48
Speaker 15: called death. Because what happens when you burn a flag
31:52
Speaker 15: is the area goes crazy. If you have hundreds of people,
31:56
Speaker 15: they go crazy.
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Speaker 1: You could do other things.
31:58
Speaker 15: You can burn this piece of paper, and when you
32:02
Speaker 15: burn the American flag, it incites riots.
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Speaker 1: I was joined earlier by Donald Trump's first White House spokesman,
32:10
Speaker 1: Sean Spicer. Sean Spiccer always great to talk to you.
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Speaker 1: Burning the flag, that's always been seen in the United
32:17
Speaker 1: States is an expression of free speech, so lawful. But
32:22
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is that ordered administration officials that prosecute flag
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Speaker 1: burners where it can be seen as what he calls
32:28
Speaker 1: an incitement to violence. Who also wants to deport flag
32:31
Speaker 1: burners who are foreigners. Do you think, given how strong
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Speaker 1: America is on free speech and God bless America for that,
32:39
Speaker 1: that this order is actually going to achieve much.
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Speaker 13: I don't know. It's a really interesting question, and I'm
32:46
Speaker 13: conflicted on this. Let me just be very clear. I
32:48
Speaker 13: find flag burning to be abhorrent.
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Speaker 12: I think that if you don't recognize how great this
32:53
Speaker 12: country is in the freedoms that it bestows on everybody,
32:56
Speaker 12: then shame on you.
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Speaker 13: I've served in the US military for over twenty five years.
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Speaker 12: But that being said, Andrew, to your point, I will
33:04
Speaker 12: defend somebody's right to burn the flag because it is
33:08
Speaker 12: protected speech. That's what makes America great is that you
33:11
Speaker 12: defend what you hate. And so I get this. And
33:14
Speaker 12: there's a couple of things that are interesting about how
33:17
Speaker 12: Trump is approaching this. They're not necessarily making flag burning illegal,
33:23
Speaker 12: they're making the consequences of it illegal. So, in other words,
33:27
Speaker 12: as you kind of correctly stated, if violence ensues afterwards,
33:31
Speaker 12: that what you did to incite the violence is going
33:34
Speaker 12: to be prosecuted, and one year in jail is the penalty.
33:38
Speaker 12: What I don't like about it is how is the
33:40
Speaker 12: left going to weaponize this going forward if they ever
33:43
Speaker 12: regain power and use it as a precedent. And so
33:46
Speaker 12: what worries me is that this might be used as
33:49
Speaker 12: a justification when they go back to their woke sensor
33:52
Speaker 12: culture trying to ban people on the right, as they
33:55
Speaker 12: have done.
33:55
Speaker 13: For the last four years.
33:57
Speaker 12: So I worry more about the future than the present
33:59
Speaker 12: in something like this.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think you make a very good point there.
34:05
Speaker 1: It's not a question of who is going to shouldn't
34:08
Speaker 1: be a question of who's going to ban what on
34:10
Speaker 1: either side. It should be a free speech I think
34:13
Speaker 1: you're I think you're spot on there. Donald Trump said
34:18
Speaker 1: after its meeting with the Russian president of letting me
34:20
Speaker 1: Putin in Alaska that finally agreed to meet Ukrainian President
34:24
Speaker 1: miss Zelenski to talk peace. Now, I've said, Putin has
34:28
Speaker 1: been promising this for months and months and months and
34:30
Speaker 1: never fronted up. And now Donald Trump has admitted that
34:34
Speaker 1: these talks may not go ahead.
34:36
Speaker 7: Here he is have you spoken to Putin since last Monday?
34:41
Speaker 10: What is your conversation?
34:43
Speaker 15: Every conversation I have with him is a good conversation.
34:47
Speaker 15: And then unfortunately Obamas loaded up into a Kiev someplace,
34:51
Speaker 15: and then I get very angry about it. Why do
34:53
Speaker 15: you think President Putin is so reluctant to meet with
34:56
Speaker 15: President Zelenski because it does like them so che.
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Speaker 1: What do you expect to happen? Now?
35:03
Speaker 13: You and I have talked about this many times.
35:05
Speaker 12: I don't think Putin will ever actually agree to anything.
35:09
Speaker 12: Whether or not he fakes a meeting or not, it's
35:12
Speaker 12: never going to happen. But here's where I think this
35:14
Speaker 12: time is different.
35:15
Speaker 13: He has not taken Donald Trump seriously enough.
35:18
Speaker 5: I agree.
35:19
Speaker 12: I believe that when Trump came into office, he wants
35:22
Speaker 12: to be known as the guy that ended the conflicts.
35:24
Speaker 12: He is proud of the work that he's done in
35:26
Speaker 12: those six other conflicting situations, and I think he wants
35:29
Speaker 12: to end this war that happened on Biden's watch.
35:31
Speaker 13: But Putin's not going to let it happen. And so
35:34
Speaker 13: I suspect at.
35:35
Speaker 12: Some point pretty soon Trump allows the secondary tariffs to
35:39
Speaker 12: kick in, and I fully expect. I don't know if
35:42
Speaker 12: it's going to be you know sometime mid September, but
35:45
Speaker 12: within the next month. I think Trump is going to
35:47
Speaker 12: ratchet it up because he knows that he's not who
35:49
Speaker 12: want to spend a ton of money, but he also
35:53
Speaker 12: needs to make putin, you know, pay a price for
35:56
Speaker 12: the level of disrespect that he has shown to this
35:58
Speaker 12: opportunity that he was presented a.
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Speaker 1: Lot of people in America's far right, sean, but also
36:03
Speaker 1: on the left. Let's be fair. This is a meeting
36:05
Speaker 1: of the far left and the far right, where claiming
36:08
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump was covering up some supposed list that
36:12
Speaker 1: convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein now dead apparently suicide in prison
36:18
Speaker 1: list had kept a famous and powerful people had supplied
36:21
Speaker 1: with very young women for sex. There claims that Trump
36:25
Speaker 1: himself was in these files. But last week, Trump's Deputy
36:28
Speaker 1: Attorney General released tapes of his interview with Gillais Maxwell,
36:33
Speaker 1: Epstein's partner and procure She's now in jail of course
36:36
Speaker 1: for that. She actually denied a Trump link, denied there
36:40
Speaker 1: was any file, and said this about the conspiracy theories
36:43
Speaker 1: that Epstein was murdered in jail to shut him up.
36:47
Speaker 18: So you think he did not die by suicide Given
36:51
Speaker 18: all the things we just talked about.
36:52
Speaker 19: I do not believe he died by suicide.
36:55
Speaker 18: Do you have any speculation or a view of who
36:58
Speaker 18: killed him? No, I don't, And I asked that because
37:03
Speaker 18: if you don't believe that there's any truth to the
37:06
Speaker 18: allegations of blackmail, or that he had kind of a list,
37:11
Speaker 18: or that he had reasons to have people hate him,
37:16
Speaker 18: why would somebody kill him in prison?
37:18
Speaker 16: In prison.
37:20
Speaker 19: Where I am, they will kill you, or they will
37:25
Speaker 19: pay somebody can pay a prisoner to kill you for
37:29
Speaker 19: twenty five dollars worth of commissary's about the going rate
37:33
Speaker 19: for a hit with a.
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Speaker 1: Look, Sean, given all that is this supposed that's seeing
37:38
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory now sort of you know, running out of air.
37:42
Speaker 12: Look this, I just can't believe in any world if
37:46
Speaker 12: there was evidence of Donald Trump, pictures, recordings, eyewitnesses, that would.
37:52
Speaker 13: Have come out by now. There's two pieces of this.
37:54
Speaker 12: This is what the left has been trying to perpetrate,
37:57
Speaker 12: that somehow Trump's involved and that's why he cared. We
37:59
Speaker 12: know that, but that's clearly not true. Now there's been
38:02
Speaker 12: literally person after person that was involved in this case
38:04
Speaker 12: that said there's nothing there. But I think the problem
38:07
Speaker 12: right now, to your point about the left and the right,
38:10
Speaker 12: is that there was a level of expectation that there
38:12
Speaker 12: was more, there was something to see here, right. We
38:15
Speaker 12: saw those binders get handed out, and so what's going
38:18
Speaker 12: to happen is somehow that has to get satisfied. And
38:21
Speaker 12: the longer that they prolonged this, the longer it will
38:24
Speaker 12: go on. My advice to them, and I'm not alone
38:27
Speaker 12: in this, is that at some point they need the
38:28
Speaker 12: Attorney General, Pambondi, Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, the deputy to
38:33
Speaker 12: get on one stage and say we're going.
38:35
Speaker 13: To tell you everything that's here.
38:37
Speaker 12: We've got these nefarious tapes, these inappropriate videos of girls
38:41
Speaker 12: and witness testling.
38:42
Speaker 13: Here's what we have.
38:43
Speaker 12: But until they do that, I don't see how this
38:45
Speaker 12: goes away, because they just keep kicking the can down
38:47
Speaker 12: the road. And again I understand this, certain testimony can't
38:51
Speaker 12: be shared. I understand certain witness statements and certain videos
38:54
Speaker 12: are highly inappropriate.
38:55
Speaker 13: That's fine, but they need to explain it.
38:58
Speaker 1: And we leave, of course, in a time Sean where
39:02
Speaker 1: left hand right believe in conspiracy theories, and I put
39:05
Speaker 1: that in part down to the media promoting so many
39:08
Speaker 1: fake stories, particularly about Donald Trump that turned out to
39:11
Speaker 1: be false, that no one now has confidence in the
39:15
Speaker 1: institutions in including the media. Thank you so much for
39:18
Speaker 1: your time.
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Speaker 13: I always good to see you.
39:22
Speaker 1: I should clarify that gillais Maxwell in that interview said no,
39:25
Speaker 1: she didn't think Epstein suicided. He was murdered. She thought,
39:30
Speaker 1: but she said, didn't believe that he was murdered. To
39:33
Speaker 1: keep him quiet, she said, if people really thought that,
39:36
Speaker 1: they would have had better opportunities to kill him outside
39:38
Speaker 1: jail would have done that. So just to clarify that
39:41
Speaker 1: point after the break, one airline gives a real welcome
39:45
Speaker 1: to your country. A happy passenger after this and straight
39:53
Speaker 1: to the panel, Jamutonini columnists and communications becauseult than Caroline
39:57
Speaker 1: to Russo, commentator and President of the West Australian Liberals.
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Speaker 1: Jemma you recently, I think last weekend you came back
40:04
Speaker 1: from Fiji landing to a very welcome message from your
40:08
Speaker 1: airline that was a real welcome to country. Tell us
40:11
Speaker 1: about it.
40:11
Speaker 8: Well, we landed in Sydney on Monday around lunchtime and
40:15
Speaker 8: the voice came over and said, ladies and gentlemen, welcome
40:18
Speaker 8: to the landown under.
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Speaker 5: I did explode with pride.
40:20
Speaker 8: It was a beautiful way to be welcome to Australia.
40:24
Speaker 1: But such a difference, Caroline, from the very fussy, you know,
40:28
Speaker 1: welcome and the land of the none of all people,
40:32
Speaker 1: whatever city you're landing in and pay our respects and
40:37
Speaker 1: all that. This is a real welcome to country, it
40:38
Speaker 1: seems to me.
40:41
Speaker 20: Yeah, But it has changed recently, Andrew, and it has
40:46
Speaker 20: been truncated in recent months to a welcome to whichever
40:51
Speaker 20: country you're landing with in no reference any longer, without national.
40:56
Speaker 5: Airline to elders at all.
40:59
Speaker 20: So it's just it kind of just goes in with
41:01
Speaker 20: the rest of the welcome. It's not separate, and it's
41:04
Speaker 20: not long, and it's a very very I have no
41:08
Speaker 20: particular difficulty with it, but it's very very interesting that
41:11
Speaker 20: it has been paired back in recent times.
41:16
Speaker 1: I think I last came back with it, and I'm
41:19
Speaker 1: not sure it changed there, but shall I shall pay
41:22
Speaker 1: more attention next time, because I'm more automatically tune out
41:25
Speaker 1: to save myself from popping a vow. But in Victoria, Jemma,
41:30
Speaker 1: we are still getting more and more of that old
41:32
Speaker 1: divisive racism. Victoria is so broke, Stay out, Jemmy. I
41:37
Speaker 1: know your headquarters are in city.
41:39
Speaker 5: Coming down on the weekend. Andre I can't promise, but
41:42
Speaker 5: go on.
41:43
Speaker 1: Turn around, turn around, No wonder when it's paid half
41:47
Speaker 1: a billion dollars to not hold the Commonwealth Games and
41:50
Speaker 1: it's so broke that it's traumatized. Museum's Victoria with big
41:54
Speaker 1: budget cuts that's forcing it to cut fifty five jobs.
41:58
Speaker 1: And race ticket prices is twenty dollars US for Whites
42:01
Speaker 1: and Asians and Africans refugees, but not for one race.
42:06
Speaker 1: The Age reports the chief executive Museums Victoria's saying that
42:10
Speaker 1: for the Melbourne Museum, from the first of September, we
42:13
Speaker 1: will increase inmitsion fees for adult's sccession cards holders and seniors.
42:16
Speaker 1: Entry for children and first peoples will remain free. Is
42:22
Speaker 1: that not racist?
42:23
Speaker 5: Well, of course it is.
42:24
Speaker 8: Any decision that segregates people based on their race is
42:27
Speaker 8: racist by definition. That's that's just the simple definition of it.
42:32
Speaker 8: And I almost you know, I read that story tonight
42:34
Speaker 8: and so many things going through my mind, some of
42:36
Speaker 8: them not repeatable on a family show.
42:38
Speaker 13: But isn't it?
42:39
Speaker 5: Isn't it?
42:40
Speaker 3: Is it?
42:40
Speaker 8: The politics of guilt. Is it the politics of low expectations?
42:44
Speaker 8: I mean, Victoria is this state that gives us, you know,
42:48
Speaker 8: disposable bins for machetes and injecting rooms outside of primary
42:53
Speaker 8: schools and all of the you know, the wonderful socialist
42:56
Speaker 8: left advancements that got you know, decades of labor have
42:59
Speaker 8: given us in Victoria larrior. Apart from as you said,
43:01
Speaker 8: to state that if it was a company, you'd be
43:03
Speaker 8: trading in sulvent, and if it was a nation it
43:05
Speaker 8: would be a failed one.
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Speaker 5: I don't understand this. What are they trying to prove?
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Speaker 8: It is just a it is a device. It is
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Speaker 8: something that says from the beginning that we are not
43:15
Speaker 8: the same, We are not the same.
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Speaker 5: You know, they are a little bit this way, Andrew.
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Speaker 8: There are parts of our society in our country in
43:22
Speaker 8: which indigenous people do need to be treated differently. There
43:25
Speaker 8: is systemic disadvantage in the northern territory and big parts
43:29
Speaker 8: of the region that the Albanese government has conveniently forgotten
43:33
Speaker 8: about since the Voice referendum didn't go the way that
43:36
Speaker 8: they hoped. Those situations require a different set of circumstances
43:40
Speaker 8: and a different approach entry to a museum is not
43:43
Speaker 8: one of them.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's say, Caroline, first peoples without saying of Australia,
43:51
Speaker 1: I could say, I'm a descendant of the first peoples
43:55
Speaker 1: of Frisland. Can I come in for free? This is
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Speaker 1: ridiculously What is the valorization about of people who were
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Speaker 1: first rather than people who came from first countries or
44:08
Speaker 1: were second.
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Speaker 20: Well, that's actually a really good point, because then I'm
44:14
Speaker 20: the first peoples of Sicily and I would like my.
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Speaker 5: Entry for free.
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Speaker 20: The thing that I really dislike about it is it
44:21
Speaker 20: is essentially this very elitist class saying that they don't
44:25
Speaker 20: think that indigenous people of Australia can afford.
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Speaker 5: To go to the museum. And I think that's revolting.
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Speaker 20: I mean, my business partner has Indigenous ancestry, and if
44:36
Speaker 20: someone said to her, would you like this for free
44:38
Speaker 20: because you're indigenous, she'd do her block, She'd she'd be
44:42
Speaker 20: really offended.
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Speaker 5: She would. Then you look at the other.
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Speaker 20: Side of it, and there's probably there's probably some families
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Speaker 20: out there who have a disadvantage background that isn't indigenous,
44:52
Speaker 20: who would love to take their kids to the museums,
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Speaker 20: but they don't have that particular benefit. So, like with
44:59
Speaker 20: all things, we shouldn't looking at this from the point
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Speaker 20: of view of race.
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Speaker 5: If you want people to go to.
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Speaker 20: The museum who may not otherwise necessarily be able to
45:06
Speaker 20: afford to go to the museum, well that it needs
45:09
Speaker 20: to be on the basis of disadvantage. And we shouldn't
45:11
Speaker 20: just assume that indigenous people are disadvantage.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, both of you have got Italian background
45:19
Speaker 1: Sicily count of Italy or we do some Sicilian, Yes
45:23
Speaker 1: we do. It doesn't really do.
45:24
Speaker 5: It, we do anything, so we do. You're a fan.
45:28
Speaker 1: Of the Leopard. You don't anyone read The Leopard, a
45:33
Speaker 1: great book of bas In Sicily.
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Speaker 5: Beautiful, very different, beautiful book. It is a fantastic book.
45:38
Speaker 1: But but but the point is, Jemma, you know when
45:42
Speaker 1: you do go to Italy, you don't see this valorization
45:45
Speaker 1: of the original you know, the first peoples of like
45:50
Speaker 1: I went.
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Speaker 5: To well where yeah, we're a.
45:54
Speaker 1: Well you're a mix. I mean, you don't go back
45:56
Speaker 1: and say, look, the Romans don't go around the peninsula
45:59
Speaker 1: saying look we're very very sorry we conquered you Sicily,
46:02
Speaker 1: We're very very sorry. You know, they don't do that,
46:06
Speaker 1: and so I'm wondering what is it about Australia that
46:08
Speaker 1: we do.
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Speaker 8: Look, that's a really big question andrew to be unpacked
46:14
Speaker 8: in the amount of time that I suspect that I have.
46:16
Speaker 8: I mean, Australia is an incredible country and our indigenous
46:21
Speaker 8: you know, our indigenous neighbors and our brothers and sisters.
46:23
Speaker 8: Their history does go back tens of thousands of years.
46:26
Speaker 8: That's a fact. So I think it's comparing apples and walnuts.
46:31
Speaker 8: To be honest, I mean, everyone had a crack through
46:33
Speaker 8: Italy from the north where I'm from at various parts.
46:36
Speaker 8: My family village was part of France. I think it
46:38
Speaker 8: was part of the Austro Hungarian Empire at some point.
46:41
Speaker 8: Unless I'm wrong, you know, it has at various times
46:45
Speaker 8: been parts of different areas of continental Europe. My auntie
46:49
Speaker 8: had a DNA test and she's got more scandy in
46:51
Speaker 8: her than Italian. So it's just not I don't think
46:55
Speaker 8: a fair comparison. There are different things, and don't get
46:58
Speaker 8: me wrong, I joke about it, but Italy has its
47:00
Speaker 8: own issues of cultural racism. My grandfather did his banana
47:04
Speaker 8: one year when he thought I was going to my
47:05
Speaker 8: school ball with a Sicilian. I mean, heaven forbid a
47:08
Speaker 8: girl from the Lombards should go to her school ball
47:11
Speaker 8: platonically with a short person from the south of the boot.
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Speaker 1: Well to when you do go to Italy, right, there's
47:23
Speaker 1: a celebration of all the history over the centuries, millennia,
47:27
Speaker 1: you know, pride in what was done built and temples
47:31
Speaker 1: and roads and aqueducts still standing. I don't know why
47:34
Speaker 1: we think it's a matter of pride to have a
47:38
Speaker 1: culture which did not produce any of that. We say
47:41
Speaker 1: it's a continuous culture. It did not develop, it did
47:43
Speaker 1: not go through these revolutions. Why is one supposedly then
47:47
Speaker 1: better than I don't know what I see in Europe.
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Speaker 20: Well, I think the point is that they treated differently,
47:55
Speaker 20: like history is part of the past and it none
47:58
Speaker 20: of it should be forgotten, None of it should would
48:00
Speaker 20: you know, be necessarily.
48:03
Speaker 5: Revised.
48:04
Speaker 20: It just it is what it is, and it doesn't
48:06
Speaker 20: mean that that's necessarily the way we behave today.
48:10
Speaker 5: And there are parts of.
48:11
Speaker 20: The Italian history and the Roman history which are incredibly traumatic,
48:16
Speaker 20: and you look at things like the Punic Wars, and
48:18
Speaker 20: you know, the Battle of Trasemini and those sorts of
48:20
Speaker 20: things incredibly traumatic you want to talk about sicily. I mean,
48:24
Speaker 20: we have been occupied and raped and pillaged so many times.
48:28
Speaker 20: Most of my family don't even look racially alike.
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Speaker 5: But it just is what it is.
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Speaker 20: And that doesn't mean that that's the way that we
48:35
Speaker 20: behave today or that you know, it.
48:38
Speaker 5: Doesn't mean anything. And this is the problem with Australia.
48:41
Speaker 5: We have this black arms. Give you.
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Speaker 1: I forgive you guys for invading Holland. So there you go.
48:48
Speaker 1: You've got to learn that currently rustling.
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Speaker 5: We brought your civilization.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, aded for your time, Yes, exactly
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Speaker 1: coming up next Sherry Marks and good night.