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#170: Nathan Fanger-Kent State University · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  a rock and hit where he is. He's not too far from us here in
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  Champaign, Illinois, and he's got an exciting new title, which
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  is even more fun. So, help me welcome today.
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  The director of track and field for Kent State University.
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  One of my favorite trivia questions.
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  We're going to get into that. Is that can State?
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  I love it. Help me.
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  Welcome the wise, the wonderful Nate Sanger Nate.
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  How are you sir? Good, how are you guys doing
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  man? Awesome.
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  You know, the trivia question that Kent State is in, that's
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  one of my favorite trivia questions ever, you know?
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  I mean, it comes to Kent State. I don't know if it revolves
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  around the, for dead in Ohio or the, oh, man, it's all positive.
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  So I'm going to ask you the trivia question and then because
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  there's there's multiple answer. So name, the school's name, the
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  colleges that their mascot does not end in s.
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  So you have a high o State Buckeyes.
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  Right. That's the most popular.
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  It always ends with. S right?
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  The Auburn. Tigers Troy Trojans.
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  What are the? There's there's actually quite a
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  bit but which ones can you think of that actually don't end with
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  this? Oh my gosh, that hmm.
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  Yeah, you're right because you got the Longhorns for the
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  Seminoles. Everything is SS Tar Heels.
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  She's what skin States. Are we have a golden flash?
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  There it is. There's one.
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  That's what I love about. Kent State.
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  You're the golden can't stay golden flash.
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  You don't end with this. Yeah.
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  That having it university. University of Illinois, the
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  fighting Illini. Okay.
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  Yeah. All right.
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  I give you a couple hints. Come on.
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  You got it. I know.
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  You can think of at least one. There's some no no trick
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  questions and these are some big schools, you know.
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  This isn't like you know finding some small junior college that I
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  used to work at in Kansas like these are big name schools that
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  have mascots that don't end or you know if it'd be mascot or
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  whatever it is but don't end with this you can tie.
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  So could care less about mascots.
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  My favorite thing in the world like my so over they have a
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  mascot I wouldn't even know what it is.
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  And I'll give you one hint, then I'll know, then I'll name a few
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  of them because other people right now are listening yelling
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  out there. Their guesses right now.
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  All right, I'll give you a hint. This school is not in a
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  conference, but kind of is in a conference.
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  But it's not in a conference big school.
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  Well, I mean Notre. Dame, bam Fighting Irish there.
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  You got it. Yeah, there you go.
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  Alright, some others that I've learned the Stanford Stanford
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  Cardinal I was gonna say that too, but they're a tree so they
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  but that's about it. But do you even call that it,
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  like a sycamore tree or something?
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  Yeah, I don't know what that scary tree is, by the way, I
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  don't know, like I was thinking about Stanford is a tree, that's
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  not end of the desk, but they don't walk around in their
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  games. Either.
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  Right? Right.
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  But Stanford Cardinal, that's their logo mascot whatever.
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  They want to call it. Right?
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  To Lane to Lane, is the Green. Wave the wave.
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  Right? I know that.
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  Yeah. Not waves just wave up.
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  Tulsa is oddly the golden hurricane.
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  There's never been a hurricane in Tulsa Oklahoma.
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  But for some reason they're the golden hurricane.
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  See I want to know that all. Yeah that one's a little.
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  That's why I'm saying it, you know, with Notre Dame and okay
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  here you know, Notre Dame's big, here's another big one Alabama.
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  Oh yeah, Roll Tide. Crimson Tide.
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  Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
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  And then you have a bunch up in the Northeast, like the Harvard
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  crimson and the I think Brown is brown brown or something like
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  that, which is odd, but they're smarter than me, so I can't
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  figure it out. Okay.
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  Finger, we're five minutes in and people are like, that's
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  awesome. What does this have to do with
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  today's guests? It does though, right?
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  Member because golden flash, that's why I thought about this
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  at Kent State is one of those part of the trivia questions.
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  So Nate, you know again thank you for being here today.
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  Thank you for Let me have a trivia question with you.
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  I got to start coming up with trivia questions for guess.
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  That'll be a lot of fun. It'll be, it'll be stuff that I
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  have no idea of the house. All just I'll just be wrong all
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  the time, but Nate. So you know what we wanted to
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  talk about today? First of all, let's openly
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  publicly give you your flowers. Your do your praise
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  congratulations man. You have just recently been
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  named the director of track and field at Kent State.
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  That's no small thing because you're following, I'll say a
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  legend. I'll have to tell the story in
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  today's podcast of how Bill Austin, changed my life coaching
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  wise, and then there for the rest of my life.
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  So you're, you know, you're following not a small guy here
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  and now you're the the directory, the big man, no
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  longer just, that's air quotes the throws coach your capital T
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  capital h, capital e, you're the coach.
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  How's it feel to finally be in the, I don't see the big boy
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  chair. But the the bigger chair, Big
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  Boy, chair. You know, I guess there's
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  awkward. As it sounds, I mean.
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  I mean I guess it's exciting because I get I get my own
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  Direction. So you know being a throws
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  coach, we know what kind of we want to do or how we would
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  proceed, but you don't necessarily have that power to
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  proceed as being an assistant coach.
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  So high, you just kind of tuck things down here.
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  Got you talk things down away but having the ability to now
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  create your own staff, Do Your Own Thing.
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  Have your Meats? Yeah I mean I think that
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  empowers it empowers you a little bit more.
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  I don't know if I was like Oh my gosh, this is so crazy.
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  It's not like, I grew up wanting to be a track and field coach,
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  or even a head coach. So it's like here's the next
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  step. Let's go win.
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  The next 20 Conference champions our own, you know, the goal is
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  to be top 25 in the country type thing.
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  So, I love it. Well, let's put a pin in that
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  because I do, I love to explore, always whenever someone becomes
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  a first time head coach, which I actually don't know.
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  I'm guessing that's, that's for you will find out here in a
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  little bit. But also, I think something
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  unique here and it probably shouldn't be unique in my, maybe
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  my opinion. I do want to explore as we go
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  through the Journey. What it's like for a throws
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  coach to be a head coach. And I say that because I could
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  probably name about 10. I'll stuff of my head but not
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  100, but I also know. Throws coaches pretty intimately
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  as far as resourcefulness coaching wise time management.
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  I mean, I just don't know how you can be a throws coach with
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  the the different types of events and quantities of numbers
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  of athletes that you typically have and not have some really
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  strong. On head-coaching.
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  Positives already built into you.
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  So I want to explore that as we get to it.
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  But let's kind of Kickback, you talked about, you know, the goal
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  was never, maybe even to be a track coach or maybe even being
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  a director. Where does, you know, at some
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  point coaching, if you are an athlete went from something that
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  happens to you, a coach would pour into you as an athlete and
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  somewhere in your mind, at some point, it had to flip and be
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  like, oh, wait a minute, I actually could be a truck like,
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  this could be my profession, I don't have to be an accountant,
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  or a doctor, or a lawyer. I actually Be a track coach,
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  where does coaching come into you and your life?
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  I mean, that goes way back to be a hunter sauce.
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  Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of mise what I was 12 years old.
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  I decided that's what I want to do is go to the Olympics.
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  So it was, this has been this. I have a 12 year old now and
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  he's very athletic. He does his thing but no one in
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  my family had 12 15 and 17 is decided.
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  This is what they were going to do at 12 years old.
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  I knew I was going to the Olympics.
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  I had my goal set. I was, I was gonna throw the
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  discus. It was my whole.
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  So, I've, I've been in this mentally for a long time and
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  then you get to a point when I was in high school.
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  I'm from Montana by the way, and you would think Montana did a
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  very big high school. But I end up going to a bigger
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  High School, my Junior and Senior year and they had like,
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  34 guy throwers in my throws coach would take 17 and go
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  through the shot, put he would give me the 17.
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  And so I was coaching the 17, other discus, thrower, so we
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  kind of split, half and half Laughs and I would help out the
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  discus throwers while he was down the shot.
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  Put and then he would come back and then he would help me after
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  practice. Got want kind of wound down and
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  there wasn't too many people out there than he would coach me.
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  So, I was coaching in high school already a little bit and
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  then I got to college and I would just kind of help out.
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  And then so I've been coaching honestly myself or somebody else
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  from what I was super young. It's just kind of instilled in
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  me and my, my dad was a teacher. My mom was a teacher.
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  My sister is a teacher, my grandpa was a Sir we come from a
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  family of kind of teaching anyway so I don't know if it's
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  just part of who I was as I grew up or who I am so it maybe isn't
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  the most uncommon thing to hear about kind of that player /
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  coach but it might be uncommon that it was a 14, 15, 16 17,
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  year-old a high schooler and you said really early 12 years old.
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  You're like oh yeah. I'm like this is my mission.
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  I'm going to the Olympics in The discus by the way.
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  Yeah, that's not uncommon for a twelve-year-old.
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  Say, I'm going to be go to the NFL or Major League Baseball,
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  but rarely, unfortunately, do we have the kid that says, oh yeah,
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  in The discus on. That's where I'm going, right?
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  How did you get to that point though?
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  Because you didn't just as a 12 year old and Coach looked at and
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  said, oh yeah, you're basically my assistant coach and then I'll
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  help you after. How did that evolve to where you
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  were kind of this student-athlete coach as a high
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  schooler? Well I guess my so my dad was a
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  is a well I guess it was because he retired, but he was a junior
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  high track and field coach. And so you know, in junior high
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  as six, seventh grade, they would have us, try the mile and
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  the high jump, and the Bold and this T, all these different
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  events that you're trying, because they don't know where
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  they're going to push you, because you're young and you're
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  developing, but he my dad was the throws coach.
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  So he would go to the shop, but the shock foot and then we had
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  another discus coach, but I was like no joke when I was in.
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  Eighth-grade I wrestled, I wrestled in seventh grade.
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  I wrestled 98 pounds in 8th grade, I wrestled at 105, so I
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  was Tiny. So I, I liked being aggressive.
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  I was an Angry Kid. I had a lot of frustration as a
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  kid. So the shot was throwing events,
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  actually fit me very well. I can get a little bit of
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  aggressive, let that out. But I sucked in the shot put
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  because I was 100 pounds, right? Soaking wet discus, though, you
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  can get away with being kind of technical along and more of a
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  smooth. If you can kind of smooth, those
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  techniques out, you can get away if thrown relatively far or
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  further and not having to have that muscle tissue behind you
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  the shop. Or so, I always found myself
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  over the discus ring a lot and just it was it was fun.
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  Having those coaches got to help me out.
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  I had, I had a junior hot or a church right beside our Junior,
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  High that I end up throwing the discus right through their
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  church window at one time. And just just small memories
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  that you keep you were like a young kid and then, Eli and get
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  that John Powell discus video and I would watch that like a
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  30-minute thing. I'd probably watch it two or
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  three times a night. So I was 13, 14 years old and I
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  just put it on repeat and repeat rewind, rewind rewind, just kind
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  of dig in all this stuff and I the Mac Wilkins, discus video
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  and being in Montana, I guess I didn't have a ton to do so when
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  you're kind of bored, well, you found something to do, let's
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  just do the best, you could do at it.
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  And that just tended to be athletic /, discus, I love that
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  dedication of watching the film because back then, you know,
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  we're not that old, but We certainly didn't have YouTube
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  back then, so we were watching those videos over and over and
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  over and over and over. Again, you mentioned, you
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  mentioned, Mom, Dad, cousins brought.
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  Everybody was a teacher as you were going through high school
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  and started looking towards the college side.
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  Was it kind of like, I'm going to be a teacher or what did you
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  think about career-wise at this point?
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  Yeah, so that's the other and eventually getting reptiles, but
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  the other, the other part of I'm artistic.
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  So even as the Coach right now. I, I mean, obviously we coach,
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  the physicality aspect that we have to know the central nervous
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  system. You have to know the muscular
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  system. You have to know how to develop
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  an athlete, but I really see it as an artistic side as well.
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  So there's an art flow, there's energy flow, there's movement
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  flow. So, when I was in high school, I
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  did a lot of art stuff. I I was I majored I did a PR tie
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  wanted to college one and to be a free Land Art freelance
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  artist. I was going to draw from medical
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  books was kind of my back, my head go to the Olympics and draw
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  from And then as you're kind of in the college system, you kind
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  of like well Arts not going to necessarily cut it.
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  So I went to Art education and then I was like, well and I
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  started off actually my first year of college at University of
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  Arizona. So but I end up transferring
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  here after Mike. Mike Manor was my coach and I
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  transferred up here after my first year because of finances
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  and then I kind of just worked my way from art education and
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  doing education. I got social studies
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  comprehensive thing, like I I go where I could do.
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  Geology geography. Psychology was kind of all
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  comprehensive type thing. So, yeah, I ended up doing with
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  patient even though that was, it wasn't my initial thought you
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  say that you probably wouldn't believe this, but you're the
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  second person that I know, I know someone who does that, who
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  draws for medical books. No way.
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  Yeah, she's in our small group for church and I was that was
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  faster than I ever thought about like oh yeah, someone has to do
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  that. And someone has to do that
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  really well by the way, because it has to be, you know,
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  anatomically correct and all that.
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  The stuff and but I was like what a nice job like this is all
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  she does is she draws all these different things for here at
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  University of Illinois for medical books and such.
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  So I I never thought I'd meet another person who's like, oh
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  yeah. That's what I was going to do.
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  Yeah, no, I knew when I was a very young age, he's funny talk
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  about your church because that's where I use kind of kind of
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  like, Hey where's God directed me and I loved art.
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  So it was like, Hey I love the, the anatomy of the hand or the
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  leg, or just all the details of the Muscular and structure or
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  system. And so I like that fine detail
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  work. They didn't really pan out as
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  far as drawing stuff later on a life.
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  But that's where my kind of reptiles that the artistic side
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  of me is I love the color and the aspects of what I have
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  downstairs in my basement, which is still a huge part of who I am
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  as well. So I love that side, you know, I
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  came up through coaching a Sprint hurdles and jumps.
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  But early on, I mean, maybe the first college real job I had,
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  Troy University, I found myself going to practice early just to
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  watch The Hammer thrower specifically.
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  I love the shot in The discus and the jab, but those seem more
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  I'm gonna say violent, you know, especially shot like, you know,
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  it's just one big push and then even Javelin Ron, and it's just,
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  you know, stopping and trying to think everything into it, but
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  the hammer seemed more that might be the right word for me
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  to describe, as well as artistic, it feels like, oh,
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  it's a dance. It's like a ballet in this
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  really small circle by the way, right?
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  And you do these amazing Circle Turns, and then there's a little
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  bit. I know it's probably more
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  violent than I'm going to say, but then there's like this
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  little violence at the end to, you know, actually release the
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  hammer, and then it goes. So stinking far in every stop.
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  I've ever had Ball State Mississippi.
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  I just love watching the hammer and it's just, so, it's just
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  fascinating to me. I love love that event.
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  You mentioned, you went to Arizona.
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  So, I'm going to assume you got bigger than 105 pounds to go,
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  throw the discus at Arizona under the great Mike Maynard, by
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  the way. I mean, it's not like Slouch of
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  a coach here. Picked you up.
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  How did that progression going to Arizona with Mike?
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  I was good. He like so every year, you know,
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  when you're a young kid, you've got it.
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  You got to try to put on that weight that's going to come no
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  matter what but that was, I mean, that's part of the goal
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  like liking the weight room or not or liking to eat or not.
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  That was. So, I went from, I went to house
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  115 pounds of freshmen and then 132 sophomore like 170 or 180 is
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  a senior than went to Arizona were and got up to well, found
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  by the time I got there, I was around that. 190 I got to about
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  2005. Then I think probably that.
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  Yeah, 2005 that first year where I red shirt at University of
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  Arizona which is an awesome year.
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  It was just it came down to Dominique Johnson was a pole
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  vaulter and he and up going 18:8 that year and they were going to
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  kind of give me some scholarship but I think they end up giving
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  him pretty much the full scholarship and I totally get it
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  in 1880. He was going Olympics that year.
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  I think in 96 I totally got so it was kind of like well shoot
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  you I financial burden that and Maynard was awesome.
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  He really Helped out and they've lost and call was there.
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  Who knew the pagels and the pagans were had just taken a
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  position up here at Kent State and Ramona was the, was the
• 18:44
  American record holder in chocolate.
• 18:45
  So yeah, through that kind of networking.
• 18:50
  I was able to get in contact with them and glue trick had
• 18:52
  called me. He was down North Carolina as
• 18:54
  well. So Brian was out North Carolina.
• 18:56
  I knew him. We slightly and I and I was told
• 19:00
  the pedals were up here, so it was kind of between in my head
• 19:02
  kind of like that. Boots down North Carolina or
• 19:05
  Kent State. And I just thought in my head
• 19:07
  like, hey, Ramona's, not wasn't a very big person and I'm not a
• 19:11
  very big person, so they kind of understand that smaller side of
• 19:14
  the technical framework, so I know.
• 19:17
  Yeah, I came up here in 96. So, yeah, I was an athlete here,
• 19:21
  you know, 97 98 99 and 2000. Yeah.
• 19:23
  And then I think it's an interesting point.
• 19:25
  You brought up there, I just had a conversation with a coach and
• 19:28
  we were talking about. Everybody's every coach has
• 19:31
  favorite subject right now the portal And he was lamenting
• 19:36
  about it, but also he, you know, admittedly said, I'm also
• 19:39
  gaining from it as well and this up.
• 19:41
  Yeah, I don't want to give away too much but so, you know, I get
• 19:48
  a lot of insight secrets and I blessed by that.
• 19:50
  So I don't give away any inside Secrets, but what we were
• 19:53
  talking about was some of the kids that were transferring,
• 19:56
  they not only in and out for this coach, but he was talking
• 20:00
  about, you know, some of these kids were on 50% scholarships
• 20:03
  and now, Going somewhere where they can get a full or 90 and
• 20:06
  he's like, he's like, I can't, I can't hardly fault them for
• 20:09
  that. You know, I don't want to saddle
• 20:11
  a kid with student debt and things like that.
• 20:13
  So I like that topic about, you know, Arizona and finances as
• 20:16
  like, okay, you know, I, you know, they had another teammate
• 20:19
  who did really, really well, so I kind of get it.
• 20:21
  But, you know what? I don't want to be saddled with
• 20:22
  a bunch of student debt either. So where do I go?
• 20:24
  Where can I go? Because at the end of the day,
• 20:26
  how many of us are going anywhere in our athleticism for
• 20:28
  track and field, any sport, by the way, that's going to go make
• 20:31
  money. So get that education and get
• 20:33
  it. His little debt as possible.
• 20:35
  I think that's a bigger subject that maybe we don't really talk
• 20:39
  about a lot of times, no sure. And I get that as well.
• 20:43
  I mean, he got that. That's, that's kind of hard
• 20:45
  aspect of track and field. You gotta understand that
• 20:48
  athletes are not only athletes, are there.
• 20:50
  People that humans are going to have you say that they're going
• 20:53
  to have at the at the end of their college career and they're
• 20:56
  not going to be going Olympics even if they wouldn't pick
• 20:58
  someone picks don't even pay really that much.
• 20:59
  I mean it just depends upon it it's a heart and passion as you
• 21:03
  like. Spawn where they want to end
• 21:05
  where they feel like they're they need to be.
• 21:07
  So I mean that to me is on a personal level so I have no
• 21:10
  problem with the transfer portal for the most part out there.
• 21:12
  I mean they've got to be where they fit best in suits them.
• 21:15
  Yeah and especially in track could feel I have a little less.
• 21:21
  I'm a little less concerned about our football and
• 21:23
  basketball players, because they're all on full rides.
• 21:25
  But when we only get 12 and a half-ish for the men and 18,
• 21:29
  which 18 seems like a lot, but it only seems like a lot because
• 21:32
  you're comparing it to the men who are 12.6.
• 21:35
  I mean, 18 is what we're talking about.
• 21:37
  What does it 82 for football? And it's, you know, 15 I think
• 21:40
  for basketball and the roster size of like 12, they don't give
• 21:43
  out all their full rights for. I'm sure I get those numbers
• 21:46
  mixed up, but but it's a farce when it comes to what our sport
• 21:50
  is in the Our ship level that supports it.
• 21:53
  So it's hard for me on the outside.
• 21:55
  Now again, I'm not coaching anymore so I also it's way
• 21:58
  easier for me to go. Yeah.
• 22:00
  Sorry finger that get transferred but they're going to
• 22:01
  get a full ride and it's like, yeah.
• 22:03
  But man, I was bacon on that kid.
• 22:05
  It's uh, it's my job. It's I get it.
• 22:07
  I get it. So you go to Kent State.
• 22:09
  Now, you don't seem to have a problem.
• 22:11
  You went from Montana to Arizona, that's a big distance
• 22:14
  and obviously in Montana and around that area.
• 22:16
  There's there were some probably great options for you for school
• 22:19
  and for throwing and now you go. Go all the way out to the
• 22:22
  Midwest, so you don't seem to have a problem going away from
• 22:24
  home and being kind of on your own and establishing your own
• 22:26
  roots. No, no.
• 22:29
  I mean it's not like I didn't like my family, my parents.
• 22:31
  But I mean, listen, I'm my own person.
• 22:33
  I that's just the way I am to this day.
• 22:35
  Even with my fan. Like I am who I am.
• 22:38
  I got I'm not tied in or down anywhere.
• 22:40
  It doesn't feel like I mean, essentially this and you had
• 22:44
  mentioned but like a home Bible group and that's a big thing and
• 22:47
  maybe we'll get to that later but that's essentially in who I
• 22:51
  am. Like Christ can lead and direct
• 22:52
  it where he wants me to go and that's how I felt like I was
• 22:56
  called down to University Arizona because Maynard and I
• 22:58
  like that warm weather atmosphere, the ability to be
• 23:01
  able to train outside year-round and then you know what, things
• 23:05
  didn't quite pan out there. But obviously, if we're, if you
• 23:09
  kind of understand how God works in his sovereignty, he puts you
• 23:12
  in a situation because he's going to move it over the
• 23:14
  situation. So lost in college, hook me up
• 23:16
  with the peg is up at Kent State and this is where this is where
• 23:20
  he's essentially had me make home for the last 26 years.
• 23:24
  So, yeah, I've no problem jumping around, that's for sure.
• 23:27
  Which that's in its Rarity to, right?
• 23:29
  I mean, I was just talking with Marlon break our guest last week
• 23:34
  about he's from Wayne State Nebraska and he's been at that
• 23:37
  Institution. For 20, these going on his 23rd,
• 23:39
  season is what we talked about. And, you know, that's, that's a
• 23:42
  rarity of coaches that are staying in one place, and I'm
• 23:46
  not by the way, no judgment. Like, if you're Because by the
• 23:50
  way, 10-year career, for coaching college, and I went to
• 23:52
  five different places. So I can't say anything about
• 23:54
  anybody jumping around. In fact, you know, if you listen
• 23:57
  to Two blue schexnayder is episode here on the podcast.
• 24:00
  He talks about, hey we pay our coaches.
• 24:01
  So little, if you can go somewhere, specially early in
• 24:04
  your career, that makes more money.
• 24:05
  Go. You got to, you got to take care
• 24:07
  yourself for one day to retire and take care of your family and
• 24:10
  things like that. So no judgment that but you
• 24:12
  would to Kent State and so is this where the story ends?
• 24:16
  Like you went to undergrad and then he became an assistant and
• 24:19
  now the director. What's this is?
• 24:21
  That it. Alright.
• 24:22
  Well, thank you. Whenever yes.
• 24:31
  Yes that's it. But so that maybe the story and
• 24:35
  I actually I love that story and to explore why?
• 24:38
  Because obviously and it could be you know God's plan, it could
• 24:41
  have been your plan. It could have been plans that
• 24:44
  you thought were going to go on but obviously you chose to stay
• 24:48
  as well. You're definitely not stuck at
• 24:50
  Kent State, you're choosing to be at Kent State.
• 24:53
  So what was it coming from undergrad?
• 24:55
  How did it? How did you know?
• 24:56
  There's a very Common way to go somewhere else as you graduate.
• 24:59
  So you go maybe be a ga or go somewhere else.
• 25:01
  How did you stay at Kent State after your undergrads?
• 25:05
  Well, I graduated and I had actually graduated.
• 25:08
  I like, I push back my student teaching because I was not going
• 25:11
  to student teach and do my my senior year, my that spring.
• 25:16
  So I said, listen, I'll student teach that fall.
• 25:19
  So I came back and I did, I student taught from the fall of
• 25:23
  2002 2021, but they had Of things went down.
• 25:29
  Kind of weird, here, rainbolt. End up going Wichita State and a
• 25:33
  big crew would follow him. John wise, went down there.
• 25:36
  When mcraven, who was the distance coaching up saying?
• 25:38
  Got the head position up here and I was still here doing my
• 25:42
  student teaching. He was interviewing and fourth
• 25:44
  rows coaches, while I was still training and I wasn't even
• 25:46
  honestly, listen, dude, I wasn't thinking of being a throws
• 25:48
  coach. I was gonna get my teaching
• 25:50
  degree that I was going to go back to Montana work with my
• 25:52
  strength coach, get stronger. Boom, go to the Olympics.
• 25:55
  That was my goal. I was, I was right around. 95
• 25:58
  feet. If I put on some strength, you
• 26:00
  know, do I get to 205 or to 10? Where does that leave me?
• 26:04
  And, you know, it ended up being like, Wendell had interviewed
• 26:09
  some good candidates, likely submits a pica who was really
• 26:11
  good. She brought in probably three or
• 26:13
  four people and no one had end up taking the position, so I
• 26:16
  don't know if it was probably like October or November he was
• 26:19
  like, hey bastard, you would you ever thought about being a
• 26:21
  throws coach? I was like, hey, what do you
• 26:24
  want me to be here? Throws coaches.
• 26:25
  I'm sure you want to do your videos like Or whatever.
• 26:28
  It's like stepping his officer 15 minutes.
• 26:30
  He's like okay, you both ropes, coach like that.
• 26:32
  Awesome. That's all I remember.
• 26:35
  My resume was like worked at McDonald's.
• 26:37
  What I can feel Camp. I mean, dude, it was.
• 26:40
  So it was so sad. Your resume was I'm here.
• 26:43
  There you go. What else do we got to do here,
• 26:44
  Wendell? Right like, well yeah, I had no
• 26:48
  resume out of college. So what year was that because I
• 26:51
  was at Ball State O2 and O3 Seasons.
• 26:55
  Yeah, O2 and O3. I thought you were Wendell,
• 26:58
  definitely was the head coach during that time.
• 27:01
  May be built, was the coach for the first year, but Windows only
• 27:03
  one. I remember being at can see
• 27:04
  where you can State when I was at Ball State.
• 27:07
  So I got so I was here again in 2000 and that summer 2000 Summer
• 27:12
  that split what up like Rhett rainbow was out.
• 27:16
  Little got the job, I got the job but I couldn't get
• 27:19
  officially hired until I actually graduated.
• 27:22
  So I You waited that December. So, in the fall I was doing my
• 27:26
  student teaching from September to December, so I actually was
• 27:29
  officially on the payroll starting December.
• 27:34
  Yeah. Well it would have been January
• 27:36
  2001. Yeah, but they didn't really
• 27:39
  actually pay me. I didn't find out until like
• 27:41
  August of that year. It was just like a stipend type
• 27:43
  thing so I officially officially was hired August like, August
• 27:48
  1st 2021. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:53
  But I was here but I never lie. Skip the because, you know, I
• 27:56
  was I was an athlete from 97 98 99 2000 that I was coaching 2000
• 28:02
  all the way up, I had not. I like I was using the athlete
• 28:05
  then, boom, shares a coach. So yeah, that you know, speaking
• 28:08
  of the hammer like a talks about, you know, that was
• 28:10
  amazing right way. Exact Riley and Dale caliper.
• 28:13
  And I mean, just two guys in the MAC Conference battling.
• 28:18
  Now, you saw like a mini preview of Nationals at our conference
• 28:21
  me because those two guys would go to Nationals and did.
• 28:23
  He well, it was such a such a fun time and really taught me
• 28:27
  about the MAC Conference. You know, you can say all you
• 28:31
  want about power 5 and then, you know, the rest of the five or
• 28:33
  whatever G5, whatever, they call them that Matt conference.
• 28:37
  And I don't even want to say, I used to say especially in the
• 28:39
  throes but it is kind of all across jumps prints, you name,
• 28:42
  it distance etcetera. But during that time I just
• 28:45
  remember the throws being really, really stop strong, and
• 28:49
  having some really good throws coaches in that Conference
• 28:51
  during that time. Yeah, and they're still they're
• 28:55
  still out here. It gets a good bath house by.
• 28:57
  There's for sure there's no question.
• 28:59
  Absolutely. So you become the assistant
• 29:01
  coach what happens to the training aspect for you.
• 29:04
  That that was a pretty big part of your your goal set.
• 29:07
  Did that go away because coaching takes 400 hours a week
• 29:11
  or how did you kind of help or try to balance the two?
• 29:15
  Well, so on, I graduated, I still wanted to be top tier
• 29:21
  level athlete but You get to a point honestly, where, you know,
• 29:26
  you know, you've probably maximized that side of your
• 29:29
  body. I was 22 or 23 years old, but it
• 29:34
  was, it was a good transition. It was a weird transition, but I
• 29:37
  end up transitioning out on quite how it happened.
• 29:39
  But I transition to the jablin for a little bit, I actually
• 29:42
  picked up a javelin and threw it for now.
• 29:45
  I don't even know. I don't even want to call it
• 29:46
  competitive for two or three years, but it was, it was a
• 29:49
  stage were like, all right? Listen, I'm not a big guy.
• 29:53
  If I wasn't in the weight room I guess probably at 2230 225 to
• 29:57
  230. If I wasn't in the waiting for a
• 29:59
  week or two, I drop down to two 9:45.
• 30:00
  It was just I couldn't actually hold string.
• 30:03
  So that's why you don't see me. You didn't see me on any big
• 30:06
  stage by any stretch but the javelin was still something.
• 30:10
  Were, you know, technically have to wrap your mind around it and
• 30:15
  it was something I had. I enjoyed it was still throwing
• 30:17
  event but it wasn't something I'd done but it picking up for a
• 30:20
  year to was perfect for me because Cuz I know dorf, Vincent
• 30:25
  or was he was, he was our Javelin thrower here, which is a
• 30:28
  stud one of my, one of my best friend's dad at Wichita State.
• 30:31
  And he helped me kind of, hey this, what you got to do?
• 30:35
  Yeah, I would send film down. I'm down south every once in a
• 30:39
  while too. So that some of the coaches down
• 30:42
  there like hey, you know, give me an i, what do you think of
• 30:44
  this? And that actually was a big
• 30:45
  aspect of me. I knew the shotput, well, I knew
• 30:48
  the discus will Hammer I had thrown when I was in college,
• 30:51
  like 190 191. So I knew it but I didn't, you
• 30:54
  know, it was a whole growth aspect of it with John Smith and
• 30:57
  Judd, Logan. Those guys kind of mentored me
• 30:59
  through that position point, but the job and I had no clue.
• 31:01
  So throwing it myself competitively for a year or two
• 31:06
  it was perfect. Exactly.
• 31:07
  What I needed as far as getting into that coaching aspect as
• 31:10
  well. So I didn't think it was going
• 31:12
  to teach. Take me, the coaching aspect, I
• 31:14
  just want to do a competitively but yeah, I end up blowing out
• 31:18
  my shoulder and getting some cortisone in that after two
• 31:20
  years. It was like, you can't really
• 31:22
  transition from Um a muscular bet which is more discus Shopper
• 31:25
  writing into the into the javelin even though I enjoyed it
• 31:28
  for a hot minute. There's your good training back
• 31:33
  myself. There's your PSA right there.
• 31:35
  You notice he said okay so I had to get some cortisone like that
• 31:37
  was maybe not the great health-wise there on the
• 31:40
  shoulder. You know that that brings up a
• 31:43
  great point, you know, I don't believe I once had someone tell
• 31:47
  me, they were a volleyball coach and she told me because she had
• 31:51
  done the events. I was a Absolutely terrible
• 31:54
  hurdler and high school a tad bit better.
• 31:59
  Whatever, whatever. Terrible is, whatever just a tad
• 32:01
  bit. Better is half mile or I was
• 32:03
  garbage. I was just there's nothing a
• 32:05
  genetically. I was bankrupt coaching.
• 32:07
  I was bankrupt, probably motivation.
• 32:09
  I was just above bankrupt but I was able to take that passion of
• 32:14
  track and field and have a lot of great mentors and coaching
• 32:16
  education and became an okay Coach.
• 32:20
  She tried to tell me because I didn't do the events that I I
• 32:22
  couldn't be a good coach because she did the vents that she would
• 32:25
  be better. Now, obviously that's a farce
• 32:28
  right there. You you're thinking right now
• 32:29
  the 100 coaches that never did an event that coach it out of
• 32:33
  this was zoom and they're just amazing, right?
• 32:36
  What do you recommend? You talked about that that
• 32:38
  helped you throwing the javelin, which I can see where it would
• 32:41
  help. I don't think it would not help,
• 32:43
  right? But there's gonna be plenty of
• 32:45
  coaches and not specifically the throws here but because we have
• 32:48
  throws coach will take that as the example.
• 32:50
  How do you what's your recommendation?
• 32:53
  Coach who, you know, was a, let's do the reverse, let's say
• 32:56
  you got a coach, a throws Coach Guy, a guy who wants to be a
• 32:59
  coach and was a really, they don't have to be good.
• 33:01
  They were a javelin thrower and now they're responsible for
• 33:04
  coach and the shot, the disc the hammer and of course, the jab,
• 33:09
  what's your recommendation for someone who never threw the
• 33:11
  shot? The hammer, the disc to be able
• 33:13
  to coach it? Now see that is such a loaded
• 33:16
  question, though, because you have right-minded people and you
• 33:20
  have left mine at people, you have the mathematics.
• 33:22
  And you have the are mostly. This is the artistic side coming
• 33:25
  out, perfect. Okay, 100% me as an artist like
• 33:29
  I need even as I write my lifting workouts or as I
• 33:35
  administer, hey, you're going to throw heavy ball of in a light
• 33:37
  bulb, whatever you're going to do, right?
• 33:38
  I need to know how that feels with in my head and in my body
• 33:42
  before I administered to the athlete.
• 33:44
  So I know if I'm going to give him the Russian Cyclone the
• 33:47
  weight room. I know how it feels.
• 33:48
  I know the barrenness of it, I know how they're going to
• 33:50
  respond on a day-to-day basis and I know they're going to be
• 33:52
  pissed. Off wore down.
• 33:53
  But I know what to expect from them.
• 33:55
  I know if I expect to work on their plant leg, their block
• 33:58
  leg, how that's going to feel for the rest of the day or the
• 34:01
  rest of the week. So to me as a coach, I have to
• 34:05
  be able to step into their shoes.
• 34:06
  Physically. That's a big aspect of who I am
• 34:08
  in my head and how I'm going to program because I need to know
• 34:11
  what the response is. Is that athlete?
• 34:13
  Now it doesn't dictate how that that day is going to unfold if
• 34:17
  they come out that day, I'm like, hey, how's it going in the
• 34:19
  responses? You know, it's okay, I know,
• 34:22
  they either flunked Math test, they broke up with their
• 34:24
  girlfriend boyfriend. They didn't get the right food
• 34:26
  they needed. So that might adjust every day
• 34:28
  is an adjustment to what's going to happen in the Rings or in the
• 34:31
  weight room and you got to be on your toes for that adjustment.
• 34:34
  You can't take your program in, throw out the window for that
• 34:36
  day, you have to have you stopped to have that
• 34:37
  programmability but you lessen the numbers, you increase the
• 34:40
  numbers, everything's a slightly different.
• 34:42
  But for me as a coach, I have to know primarily how that response
• 34:49
  is going to come outside of their daily life.
• 34:51
  How is there a It's going to come from the weight room from
• 34:54
  the throwing aspect of it. But again, that's my artistic
• 34:56
  side of it. You can really be a good coach
• 34:59
  in knowing the number side of it.
• 35:00
  I know people who have everything calculated down to,
• 35:04
  if they throw this ball, this number, this many throws this
• 35:06
  day and this, they have everything precisely down on a
• 35:09
  computer and graph down everything else.
• 35:11
  I'm like, I am so anti graph anti number anti every, but
• 35:16
  that's just who I am. As a coach, right find really
• 35:19
  good success in my side of the coaching or really good success
• 35:22
  too. Their side of coaching.
• 35:23
  So everyone comes at coaching slightly differently and how
• 35:27
  they process. It's all processing.
• 35:29
  It's all cognitive processing and how you think about it and
• 35:32
  how it kind of flows out that body to me, it's all about
• 35:35
  energy. How do I position the even in
• 35:38
  position even technique in and of itself, positions are only
• 35:41
  there to establish energy flows and the energy has to flow in
• 35:44
  certain mechanism. So it goes out through the
• 35:46
  Implement and if it's not, you don't get the proper energy into
• 35:48
  the Implement. It's still not going to go far
• 35:50
  no matter how well the positions are created or not created.
• 35:52
  So everything comes down to energy flow at how the athlete
• 35:55
  can move their body. I think you really hit something
• 35:59
  on the head there. Like, in fact, if you're
• 36:00
  listening the hit the rewind button about three times.
• 36:03
  And listen, that what you said there Nate was, I'm going to say
• 36:06
  in a slightly different way. Make sure you correct me.
• 36:08
  If I'm by misunderstand it, you talked about coaching the
• 36:11
  person, not just the events, like, you're not coaching
• 36:15
  robots. I thought your point about when
• 36:17
  a kid comes in and they're like, you know.
• 36:20
  Yeah, it says, okay or whatever and you're like, oh, Okay, yeah,
• 36:23
  yeah. This this this kids on a little
• 36:25
  bit of a downward. You flunked the test girlfriend
• 36:28
  boyfriend broke up with them. Mrs. Mom you know that's not
• 36:31
  that's not uncommon. Right mrs.
• 36:32
  Family, I'm probably not going to get the A+ workout that I
• 36:37
  wrote up. However we need to still get the
• 36:40
  right things going today. So, maybe we lighten the weight
• 36:42
  load in the weight room. A, we take off a rapper to
• 36:44
  outside on, try your coaching the person, do you do?
• 36:49
  So I think that's extremely important.
• 36:51
  Do you do the opposite? In what I mean by that is kid
• 36:55
  comes to you for practice and he or she is bouncing like they are
• 36:58
  on cloud nine. They passed a test, mom or dad
• 37:01
  slipped him, an extra almost had a 20, but 20 22, that's probably
• 37:05
  not a lot of money slip. The next 100 dollar venmo, you
• 37:09
  know the cute boy cute girl, talk to him.
• 37:11
  Whatever do you ever add a rep or add weight?
• 37:15
  In that case? Yes, Hunter said that's the
• 37:18
  other thing. I'm again.
• 37:19
  So if we're gonna go down that line like I try to sew So in the
• 37:23
  world of throws, I'm probably going to probably try to get
• 37:26
  anywhere between 20 to 30 throws a day, but if I know they are
• 37:31
  sometimes down to 10 if they're really beat down, but if I know
• 37:34
  they've got a ton of energy and they're on like throw 22.
• 37:37
  And I'm like, hey what number are you on there?
• 37:38
  Like I think I'm like 20 or 22 and I'm like, well you've got 15
• 37:41
  more to go now. They're like, what?
• 37:43
  Like yeah, you've got the energy and you continue to produce.
• 37:45
  There's no reason why we don't want production today because
• 37:49
  you might not get it tomorrow. So let's continue to push in
• 37:51
  that production. I mean, on that same point in
• 37:54
  the weight room, like an unpredicted Max day.
• 37:57
  Now, this doesn't happen all the time, but there's no reason.
• 37:59
  Why if you're feeling froggy and we're doing doubles and triples
• 38:02
  and they're like, all right, you know what, we're going to max
• 38:04
  out today, throw on a single see where you're going because you
• 38:07
  got a ton of Pop, you got a ton of energy and just go get it
• 38:09
  done. Sometimes trying to calculate
• 38:11
  that out, does it necessarily work out calculation wise?
• 38:14
  But if you're feeling is today, do it.
• 38:16
  I'm not going to ask you out necessary on 86.
• 38:19
  Is in five days. That that's more volume.
• 38:22
  More hypertrophy. Fe more build the body up but on
• 38:24
  a day, where you getting feeling popping your in doubles and
• 38:26
  triples, hey, dude, if you feel like you max out, that doesn't
• 38:29
  happen all the time, but you got to go with the few good or bad.
• 38:33
  So, on that artistic side, the coaching art side, how do you
• 38:38
  sell that to? This is the closest we have ever
• 38:41
  gotten to X's and O's, I'm, I'm walking a fine line with you my
• 38:44
  friend. Don't, you always have the most
• 38:45
  fun with girls coaches? So we're getting too close in my
• 38:48
  opinion. But but, but it's my show.
• 38:51
  So, you know, I write the rules. How do you sell that to the
• 38:55
  athlete? You were dealing with in your
• 38:58
  area, 18 to 22 year olds when you add work too?
• 39:02
  Someone it's a punishment you know it's like God will go do
• 39:06
  more of that at a here you're adding work to them but it's
• 39:09
  actually not a punishment. It's actually an attaboy like
• 39:11
  you're doing so well, like everything's flowing.
• 39:13
  Let's get more of the good stuff going while we can.
• 39:16
  How do you write on the art side?
• 39:19
  Get that kid to believe into that.
• 39:21
  Like oh coach has a mad at me. I'm I'm doing more because he's
• 39:24
  mad at me. Went in the opposite is actually
• 39:26
  true. How do you how do you sell that
• 39:28
  to the kid again? So yeah, we can back off back
• 39:31
  off the x's and o's. Talk about either the recruiting
• 39:34
  aspect of it or who you're getting as an athlete aspect of
• 39:36
  it. Like so if you're, if you're
• 39:38
  going to recruit the kid, listen, I the longer I am in
• 39:41
  this, in this job. The best in the most
• 39:44
  advantageous way to recruit yourself as a - recruit yourself
• 39:47
  to say, listen, you're coming in and you're going to get your
• 39:50
  butt handed to you on a day-to-day basis.
• 39:52
  You're gonna not be a very big fish.
• 39:55
  You're going to learn how to like come in with seniors and
• 39:57
  juniors that are kicking your butt, having better numbers and
• 40:00
  Reps than you are. So you've got to live through
• 40:02
  The grind for a long time and establish yourself.
• 40:04
  And if you don't Art hungry and passion about being kicked to
• 40:09
  the curb for a little bit. Then you probably shouldn't be
• 40:11
  here because the fact of the matter is, I mean, this is the
• 40:15
  way I say it. I guess the my vernacular, but
• 40:18
  we're tracking Fields the bastard, sport in the throwers
• 40:21
  are a bastard. Child within the bathroom sport.
• 40:23
  So it's not like we're even cared about a whole ton, which
• 40:25
  is fine. I've got no problem with it at
• 40:26
  kind of, its kind of what I feed off.
• 40:28
  Anyway. I like, I, like feeding off.
• 40:30
  Like, hey, no one's looking at. No one's Karen.
• 40:32
  I, let's just go kick some butt but they've got to actually
• 40:36
  they've Got to like that attitude as well.
• 40:37
  How much pain can I suffer through to make myself better?
• 40:40
  How good do I want to be? What's the process of this
• 40:43
  thing? Is it the process or is it the
• 40:45
  end of the day? I want to be a 200-foot.
• 40:46
  Her but do you want to work every second of every day to be
• 40:50
  that 200 footer and it's the attitude who you recruit
• 40:53
  essentially and it doesn't have to be necessary sometimes.
• 40:56
  I'm not looking for the best number, you know, called out of
• 40:59
  high school. But I gotta have a kid when I
• 41:02
  get on the phone with are telling me about what they're
• 41:04
  doing the weight room and tell me who they're watching film
• 41:06
  wise. They doing and how do I get
• 41:07
  better? Now, there's some athleticism do
• 41:09
  that because you can be a hungry athlete, but if you don't have
• 41:11
  talent, you know, you're not going too far.
• 41:13
  God's only giving you so much ability.
• 41:15
  So how much is that it does that ability and hunger and passion
• 41:18
  work together? That's who you're going to find.
• 41:22
  So if I mean, if we're in that scenario where I'm telling you,
• 41:24
  you got to do more that day and they're not excited about it.
• 41:27
  That I probably don't have the right person so you kind of look
• 41:30
  at it, like, oh, maybe I didn't do my homework, right, or
• 41:33
  whatever circumstances like I'm like.
• 41:35
  Yeah. And I listen, I still have kids
• 41:38
  like that in your program. It's not like you know, maybe
• 41:41
  when I was younger coach, I get pissed off.
• 41:43
  Like, oh man, I want everybody have this hunger but again, I'm
• 41:46
  me. So I have a hunger and passion
• 41:48
  every day. I wake up all hungry.
• 41:50
  I can't necessarily drive your hunger and your desire.
• 41:53
  So you kind of eat nowadays. I would say, I psychologically
• 41:59
  coach, 90% of the time and physically coach 10% of time.
• 42:03
  It's, it's how the relationships building.
• 42:05
  How you understand? Your It's your athletes and how
• 42:08
  you're going to give them an administer, the workouts that
• 42:10
  day because you know who they are.
• 42:12
  So it's building a relationship. I'm more of a psychological
• 42:15
  coach and in can benefit getting more out of it and kid than I
• 42:20
  can just trying to like plug in numbers and say, hey well this
• 42:23
  was your rep scheme today in the weight room and he didn't get it
• 42:26
  done. So you're going to get worse?
• 42:27
  No. Well, you didn't get it done
• 42:29
  quite the way you want to but tomorrow, let's transition and
• 42:32
  get some other stuff out of you like everyone's a little
• 42:34
  different I can't you don't want to be a cookie cutter coach, you
• 42:38
  don't want to, you don't want to have a mindset of.
• 42:41
  This is the way you need to coach and this is the only way
• 42:43
  you need to coach. There's every kid you coach is
• 42:45
  going to be different. So you're probably you're
• 42:47
  coaching every different kits. Kids slightly different
• 42:51
  differently, right? Every everybody has to come to a
• 42:54
  different terms in their head on how they approach the names.
• 42:57
  But again, your your I'm one throws coach out there.
• 43:00
  So I have say 20 kids out there, I not at one time, they kind of
• 43:04
  come through, you know, different different times that
• 43:06
  But you still have to have a singularity within the throws
• 43:10
  program. What are we after as a group and
• 43:12
  then within that Singularity, I can still Branch off and still
• 43:16
  create different individuals, you know.
• 43:18
  Verity, some some people I'm trying to win a National
• 43:20
  Championship. Some people I'm trying to get to
• 43:22
  my own Conference Championship because can even make the 30-30
• 43:25
  Squad roster. I don't know.
• 43:27
  So everyone's got a different different place.
• 43:30
  Yeah, I think coaching for sure is the Art and Science, right?
• 43:33
  Because if it was fully one way or the other, if it was all are
• 43:36
  it'd be one way of he was all science.
• 43:37
  Well, then what do we actually need to coach for you could just
• 43:40
  write up a workout on the tablet and have the kid go to the track
• 43:43
  or the weight room by themselves and what are you really doing
• 43:46
  here, right? As a coach.
• 43:47
  So I love that aspect, explore that a little bit more.
• 43:50
  Help me, understand you, talk about your coaching, 90% more
• 43:55
  psychologically, 10% physical. I think I might have switched
• 43:58
  one of your words up there. Where does that come from?
• 44:01
  You mentioned some mentors earlier that we didn't delve
• 44:04
  into that, I'd love to you mentioned.
• 44:05
  You know, Judd, And you mentioned the pagels, John
• 44:11
  Smith. Yeah.
• 44:12
  John of course, did you pick up that from guys and gals like
• 44:18
  them, or was this something earlier because of the, you
• 44:21
  know, the the bend of artistic for you as a younger kid?
• 44:28
  I'm going to say the the artistic side.
• 44:30
  Here's here's what helped me to be the best throws coach to be
• 44:33
  Hunters. Asia.
• 44:34
  God has given me only so much athletic ability.
• 44:37
  And so I had to work. My flip and butt off to do what
• 44:40
  I did to throw 195 feet by 5 foot.
• 44:43
  I'm 220 pounds. I don't deserve to be in the
• 44:46
  ring to be awesome with some of the competitors I was in.
• 44:50
  So I had to do everything. I need to do to learn technical
• 44:53
  position. So, all the film that I watched
• 44:55
  everybody, I watch, I would watch people and watch.
• 44:57
  Born, you know, you don't just watch the small people, you
• 45:00
  know, watching the big people, you see the nuances and how they
• 45:02
  come out of the back of the ring and how they strike and are they
• 45:04
  using the left leg right leg, you watch it so many times that
• 45:07
  you end up being a student of the sport.
• 45:09
  And that's it. It's kind of what I pushed my
• 45:11
  athletes. You got to be a student, the
• 45:12
  sport, you wake up every morning, you gotta watch some
• 45:14
  film you. No idea what you do on that day,
• 45:16
  go do some drills. If only if you're only doing
• 45:18
  what I'm giving to you at practice, then you're only going
• 45:21
  to be so good, you need to have more, you need to take it home
• 45:23
  with you but that so that's the physical Act of it, knowing kind
• 45:28
  of how to throw. But again, the psychological
• 45:30
  aspect of it is trying to convince the kids and that's not
• 45:34
  trying to convince the kids, but it's keeping their passions
• 45:36
  going. So if I'm at a heavy cycle in
• 45:38
  the waiting room, like the Russian cycle really just really
• 45:41
  tears. Her body down, they get super
• 45:44
  tired mentally in the fall. They're trying to do their catch
• 45:47
  up on their studies their work while they're tired, while
• 45:50
  they're trying to get technique done.
• 45:51
  You psychologically, you really have to drag him out of the mud
• 45:55
  every day. This.
• 45:55
  So essentially I'm kind of Like, hey guys, we could do this, you
• 45:59
  know, I get it, you're tired, but let's continue to do this.
• 46:01
  So the coaching aspect of it, I know I can write a program in.
• 46:06
  I've been consistent with the last 20 years, I'm not trying to
• 46:09
  reinvent the wheel, you do add little nuances, five, or ten
• 46:13
  percent. You always change up here and
• 46:15
  there so you keep things fresh and so the athletes don't know.
• 46:19
  They're doing the same thing like day to day or year to year.
• 46:21
  You want to keep things fresh for them but the biggest aspect
• 46:24
  of it as a coaches go out there and be their cheerleader, you
• 46:27
  know? No, or, you know what?
• 46:28
  Even, not just their cheerleader.
• 46:30
  Sometimes, you got to be a there, dad, I call, I call.
• 46:32
  It's irrigate parenting. So, when I, when I recruit you,
• 46:35
  I tell their parent, like, listen, I'm going to Syria
• 46:36
  parent, they're leaving you, and they're coming to me.
• 46:39
  So, I have them now for the next four or five years and then
• 46:41
  under my care, under my tutelage, and they are like my
• 46:43
  children. I and sometimes dad asked to be
• 46:46
  really harsh and put their foot down and say, Hey, listen,
• 46:49
  you're screwing up, your pissing me off, and you need to learn
• 46:52
  the hard way and that resonates that I think they need that
• 46:57
  discipline. Sometimes it gets them out of
• 46:58
  some Punk's or they kind of have to learn a little lesson in life
• 47:02
  because not everyone's coming in here, you know, necessarily is
• 47:05
  passionate every single day or wanting to go to the Olympics.
• 47:08
  You know you got to have a little parenting involved in
• 47:09
  there as well so there's parenting, there's there's
• 47:13
  cheerleading there's you know, writing programs, there's
• 47:16
  learning artistic flow coaching side, it has a big aspect of it
• 47:20
  and I think younger coaches when I was a younger coach, it would
• 47:24
  be 90% that programming. Active in 10% psychological,
• 47:29
  right? I was your cheerleader 10% of
• 47:31
  time, but doggone it. If you didn't listen to my
• 47:32
  programming, you're pissing me off and you're screwing up.
• 47:35
  It is 20 years into the show. It is totally reversed.
• 47:40
  Here's what I've got. If you don't want to do it,
• 47:42
  probably not going to get very good but I get it because you're
• 47:45
  being an idiot today, but I'm trying to psychologically bring
• 47:48
  you back around to that. I think that's where some of the
• 47:50
  best coaching comes from. Not necessarily the numbers on
• 47:53
  paper, but net how that relationship works.
• 47:56
  So how do we Love that. I mean Bingo.
• 47:59
  And here's where we can bring value from your experience.
• 48:03
  You just said early in my career, the 90/10 was probably
• 48:07
  physical versus psychological and now twenty years on its
• 48:12
  flipped 180, it's completely opposite.
• 48:14
  So you had to have gone through ups and downs, athletes, that
• 48:18
  challenged you personal aspects of the coaching that challenged
• 48:24
  you to do that. It didn't just one day you on
• 48:26
  your 10th anniversary. Of coaching, they didn't just
• 48:28
  flip like it went from 90 10 to 80, 20 to 70 30, you know,
• 48:31
  probably didn't go that linear either, by the way there, you
• 48:33
  know, we know the truth of ups and downs.
• 48:36
  So, help someone out right now. There is a coach listening and
• 48:40
  they're in their third year coaching and they.
• 48:42
  There's two coaches, we're going to have two scenarios.
• 48:44
  There's a coach listening right now.
• 48:46
  They're in their third year and they think they got it down like
• 48:49
  they're kind of listened to you. Like, really took you 20 years,
• 48:50
  man. I'm in my third year and I got
• 48:52
  this thing down pat on the greatest coach and I'm about to
• 48:54
  coach a million Olympians and then there's another coach out
• 48:57
  there right now. That's in their third year
• 48:58
  going. Okay?
• 49:00
  Okay, I believe this. So, how do I not wait until my
• 49:03
  20th year finger, how do I learn this?
• 49:05
  Now, in my third fourth fifth year, what advice can you give
• 49:08
  to Young coaches? And I don't know that this
• 49:09
  isn't, I don't know that this is a throws advice here, even
• 49:14
  though we got the throws coach, I think this is a coaching
• 49:17
  advice. How do you how can we help
• 49:19
  accelerate young coaches into this?
• 49:21
  What I believe is the proper mindset of coaching young people
• 49:25
  18 to 22 years old? Well, okay, unfortunately I'm
• 49:30
  going to say like this. You're going to have to
• 49:33
  continue. It isn't like, like you said, it
• 49:36
  doesn't go from 9010 at all sudden to switch that there is a
• 49:40
  natural progress and the progression comes from you as a
• 49:42
  human being learning how to deal with other human beings.
• 49:46
  So I rolled on finger now that everybody wanted you to give
• 49:50
  some kind of magic pill and you know, you're going to get that
• 49:54
  athlete that struggles to learn the hammer.
• 49:57
  Because they never did in high school.
• 49:58
  You just said something that's really challenging.
• 50:01
  You said, you're going to have to it's on you.
• 50:05
  You're going to have to develop as the coach.
• 50:07
  Yeah. It's not the athlete.
• 50:09
  It's you. As a human being.
• 50:10
  It's how you process. It's how you cognitively
• 50:15
  process. The ability to coach.
• 50:17
  It comes down to it because when I was young and you have to
• 50:20
  program what you're trying to prove to the athletes and trying
• 50:23
  to prove to yourself, which takes years.
• 50:25
  And I'm, this is the hardest part done.
• 50:27
  Stand and the years, man, the years of programming have to
• 50:32
  have to lend to successful athletes.
• 50:35
  So, if you have mac Champions, if you have continually National
• 50:40
  qualifiers, if you have kids in the top on the platform of the
• 50:44
  NCAA championships, then you're doing something right.
• 50:46
  That's the programming aspect of it because the reality is this,
• 50:49
  you could be a third year coach right now.
• 50:51
  If I'm talking to you as a third, your coach and you think
• 50:53
  you have it down, ask yourself. How many people did you put on
• 50:56
  the The NCAA is, could see if you didn't put one, you don't
• 50:59
  have it down. If you didn't put a national
• 51:00
  champion out there, you don't have a down and the person that
• 51:03
  is questioning themselves. That's a good question to have.
• 51:06
  Who, how were you successful as coach?
• 51:08
  Now, everyone's different maybe with somebody wanted to be a
• 51:10
  conference champion and not a national champion.
• 51:12
  Well, that's fine, you find out your own level as a person who
• 51:15
  you want to be. If I don't have somebody
• 51:17
  standing on that National Championship stage, I didn't do
• 51:19
  my job. So the first aspect of it is
• 51:22
  being able to understand how to get the athletes there through a
• 51:25
  programming system. That's Or the early years, you
• 51:28
  better be talking to Don Babbitt, you better be talking
• 51:31
  to the pagels, you better be talking to John Smith.
• 51:33
  You better be talking to every Mentor that you can think of
• 51:36
  and, you know, unfortunately, the Judd Logan's.
• 51:39
  How do you program your system now?
• 51:42
  Just because it came from them, doesn't mean it fits you, like,
• 51:45
  I've learned as I'm watching, as I'm as I'm sit there and asking
• 51:49
  questions, I'm like, well, that I'm glad I'm asking these
• 51:51
  questions because that really did well that program in the way
• 51:54
  you coach the person, but he would never Fly with me, it
• 51:57
  would never sit well with the way I program just because it's
• 52:00
  who I am in the artistic flow of it.
• 52:02
  So, I've learned just as much of talking to them about what not
• 52:05
  to do for me, as about what to do to do for me.
• 52:09
  So those first again for five or six years is do develop, take
• 52:14
  some time to develop who you are as a programmer.
• 52:17
  And a lot of that comes down to this, I've been talking to my
• 52:19
  young assistant coaches and I'm excited to be a head coach
• 52:21
  because I can actually work into being with my assistant coaches
• 52:26
  as much as my ass. It's like really trying to make
• 52:28
  better assistant coaches. But a lot of it is like, hey, if
• 52:32
  you have, if you want to know how to play with an athlete, get
• 52:35
  a walk-on kid that that might you might be good, might not be
• 52:39
  good. But then you could that's your
• 52:40
  test dummy. Hey, what am I going to do here?
• 52:43
  I'm throwing different ideas out.
• 52:44
  Did it stick? Did it?
• 52:45
  Work did not work. You don't want to break them by
• 52:47
  any stretch. But did, are they going really
• 52:50
  well? That they are, they not doing
• 52:51
  well, you can us as coaches really have to play with our own
• 52:54
  recipes. Is it too much salt?
• 52:55
  Is it too much? Pepper.
• 52:57
  Is it take this out? Take that out so you kind of do
• 52:59
  it takes a while to formulate in your head.
• 53:02
  Are you successful as a coach? Because what stage are you
• 53:05
  putting them on? And then getting to that part
• 53:08
  where their programming? Well, and then as that happens,
• 53:11
  okay? Now I've got a good program
• 53:13
  setup, but you as a person now, I don't want to say this to some
• 53:17
  extent, but you kind of get bored there's born in that sets.
• 53:20
  And so if I do this year after year, after year after year, not
• 53:22
  change, anything sure I've got a good program, but where's that
• 53:25
  boredom come in I like, okay, well, I didn't change anything,
• 53:29
  these athletes are killing it. So that's where the
• 53:31
  psychological aspect of. So, instead of trying to just
• 53:34
  administer now positioning to them.
• 53:37
  Now I'm befriending them to some extent or I'm being a dad to
• 53:40
  them. So now here's the, here's the
• 53:42
  outlay of the plan, how do we work to that me and you
• 53:45
  together? That's where that friendship
• 53:46
  comes in and I think you early on in your career, friendships
• 53:49
  are hard to have because you're so pinpoint on making that
• 53:53
  programming, right? Which is I get it as part of
• 53:55
  coaching, you need to have that. I mean, right in order to be
• 53:57
  successful, the older you get some of the boredom sets.
• 54:00
  In psychologically, you can flip things around and you kind of
• 54:03
  grow as an individual. It's just it's like listen, it's
• 54:06
  like sanctification. You're always working on the
• 54:08
  process of being a better Christian.
• 54:11
  You're always working on the process of taking that sin away
• 54:14
  from yourself and becoming christ-like follower and that's
• 54:17
  no different than in my coaching aspect of it.
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  I'm trying to Everyday make these kids better and it did
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  have it had its flows you start with the mechanics of it and um,
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  Up working to the relationship of it.
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  So I think an important aspect you said there is You can go to
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  clinics and go to camps and go to Coach it education and I, you
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  know, if you've listened any episodes here, you know, that I
• 54:40
  am a huge huge proponent of that mentors.
• 54:43
  Huge huge proponent of that. And you mentioned some of the I
• 54:47
  mean true Legends specifically in throws but real Legends in
• 54:51
  our sport but there's one thing that you can't force you can't
• 54:55
  speed up you can't compact into a short amount of time and
• 54:59
  that's experience. I think it's exactly what what I
• 55:02
  hear you saying. Is, you know, you're working on
• 55:04
  your program and years 12345. And to your point that maybe
• 55:07
  three years for one person and maybe 10 years for another.
• 55:10
  We're all different how we learn and how we process feedback from
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  our own athletes and programs. As you continue to develop and
• 55:18
  gain experience, you see what works, what doesn't work with
• 55:21
  different parts of your careers boredom when that sets in.
• 55:24
  How do you get? You know, Platts get out of that
• 55:25
  Plateau. It's that experience part that
• 55:28
  you just can't. I love how you talk about your,
• 55:30
  you're 18. You're so excited now about
• 55:32
  mentoring. Two young coaches.
• 55:34
  Now that you're a head coach, like you have been with your
• 55:36
  athletes for many years, you're going to give them so much,
• 55:39
  great leeway and lengthen, the leash and experience, but they
• 55:44
  can't force experience. They're going to need year 1 and
• 55:46
  year 2, and then 4 and 5 Etc. So I love that.
• 55:51
  Let's let's pivot here a little bit to something.
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  We were talking about earlier. I tend to think of these things
• 55:56
  a little bit differently than I think most people, and it may be
• 55:58
  sounded like, you might be on the same wavelength.
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  I think it's important for people to hear.
• 56:02
  All sides of it. You were talking about
• 56:04
  recruiting and you know, the researcher doing on the athletes
• 56:08
  and it's not just about the mark and I think maybe four throws
• 56:11
  specifically male throwers, it might be even more important to
• 56:14
  see physical abilities and regards to are they six foot two
• 56:18
  or five foot ten etcetera, just because of the, you know, the
• 56:21
  way going up from high school to college for women, I was found,
• 56:25
  you know, not that I recruited a lot of women shelters but I'm
• 56:27
  like, hey, that 4K is going to stay the exact same.
• 56:30
  You get SAR levels. So I'm if you throw in 50 feet,
• 56:32
  Now I'm good. Maybe why I was I'm not coaching
• 56:36
  anymore, but you talked about during the recruiting process
• 56:42
  almost at the interview process which is, which is what it is.
• 56:45
  You're looking for certain things.
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  And if someone doesn't have that and you were talking more like
• 56:49
  attitude and doggedness and determination if they don't have
• 56:53
  it. You're like it's better that
• 56:56
  they don't come to you, right? Because your talked about if you
• 56:59
  come to my program and you aren't ready to be the bastard
• 57:01
  of the bastard sport, you're a struggle here.
• 57:04
  You know. So how do you deal with that
• 57:07
  that mind frame of when a kid says, hey I'm not coming to your
• 57:11
  program because of whatever reasons they may actually give
• 57:13
  you whatever the reasons might actually be.
• 57:15
  That's actually a like I think of that as like a good thing.
• 57:18
  It's like, oh if a kid decides I'm not the right coach for
• 57:21
  them. Hugh, we both Dodge bullets.
• 57:23
  They're not going to come here and be miserable and they're not
• 57:25
  going to come here and make me miserable and make the program.
• 57:27
  How do you deal with that during recruiting?
• 57:29
  Because you want them? All right.
• 57:30
  I mean, if you're attracted to a kid for Marx and personality
• 57:33
  you. You want them but it may not be
• 57:35
  the right fit. Sure.
• 57:38
  You know what? That, again, that's part of the
• 57:39
  the coaching aspect of I guess this is where maybe I differ
• 57:46
  that a lot of different coaches and it, I again, I probably
• 57:52
  because it's my centrality, it's who I am.
• 57:54
  I'm as a Christ follower, I call it my Catch-22.
• 57:58
  I pray for who needs to be in here.
• 58:00
  It's, here's the other thing for me to me.
• 58:02
  I coach that's what I do gods. Give me the ability to cope so
• 58:06
  it. But I also consider this my
• 58:08
  Ministry. Like I'm not going to shove it
• 58:10
  down anybody's throat, I don't like Christ never made anybody
• 58:14
  Christian but I am an Avenue. I am an Avenue for a Ministry
• 58:17
  essentially so that's why I think it's kind of a catch-22.
• 58:20
  Hey God if you want them here? Cool, if not whatever are you
• 58:23
  fine who needs to be here? That that's so we be able to
• 58:26
  real a process on my own and that aspect of it because
• 58:29
  there's a lot of kids that I, you know, I wanted like for
• 58:32
  Studs last year and I missed out on every one of them.
• 58:36
  But you know what? That is what it is.
• 58:37
  You go on and he said, okay, well, if I miss for heavy ones
• 58:40
  in a row, I guess I needed but two or three, you know, building
• 58:44
  kids like kids that maybe I have the biggest Mark but eventually
• 58:48
  could work with them and by their Junior and Senior year or
• 58:50
  sophomore junior senior year, they're up to the level where
• 58:54
  they're at conference like winning top three or maybe they
• 58:57
  make the regional M it possibly make it the NCAA championships
• 59:00
  versus the other the for that I could have had you know, Would
• 59:02
  have been cough Mac, Champions Regional, you know, qualifiers
• 59:05
  and on to the ncaa's within that first year.
• 59:08
  So, a lot of it depends upon again, how things flow?
• 59:11
  I don't, I don't take anything personally, that's by any
• 59:14
  stretch of the imagination nowadays.
• 59:15
  If you take it personally, like all, they didn't come because of
• 59:17
  me. Listen, I'm recruiting the kids
• 59:20
  state. So it's a two-way street.
• 59:21
  I'm recruiting you because I want you to be here, but you're
• 59:24
  recruiting me because you want to be here at Kent State.
• 59:26
  Do you have the major? Are you willing to go through a
• 59:28
  lot of work? Are you around your family?
• 59:31
  There's a lot of different But I'm not going to go recruit
• 59:33
  California, Texas and Florida because I'm going to bring them
• 59:35
  to Kent State, Ohio with six inches of snow on the ground.
• 59:39
  All winter long. It is what it is.
• 59:40
  Like, I've got a field house but I don't have sunny California
• 59:43
  weather. So I'm not going to go out and
• 59:45
  search for that all the time. Don't they come to me?
• 59:47
  That's that's fine. And I've made some good
• 59:50
  interactions with like Jamaica. I've had a Jamaican female on my
• 59:54
  throat. Probably, for the last.
• 59:56
  I don't know, since Daniel in 2012.
• 59:58
  So last 10 years that I'd really actually enjoy that aspect of it
• 1:00:01
  is keeping A ship down there. It's not like I have to have
• 1:00:04
  every single Jamaican or or every single Ohio, and it's
• 1:00:07
  just, you know, you learn 22 years, like, you get them.
• 1:00:11
  Cool. If you don't, whatever, move on
• 1:00:13
  to the next one, you'll figure it out.
• 1:00:15
  How to have a throws program one way or the other.
• 1:00:17
  You know this does not diminish what you just said.
• 1:00:21
  But you also are in the midwest. It's hard not to have a good
• 1:00:24
  throws. Forget well actually it is hard
• 1:00:25
  because there's so many great throws coaches but there are so
• 1:00:27
  many great throwers. I'm reminding you it's the right
• 1:00:36
  fit. Does somebody fit here?
• 1:00:37
  Do I fit with them? They feel with me.
• 1:00:38
  Yeah, I'm reminded. So I'm a big Christian, hip-hop
• 1:00:42
  fan. That's my 99% of the music.
• 1:00:46
  I listen to is Lecrae and KB and Andy Mineo and KJ, five, two and
• 1:00:51
  more. The other one percent.
• 1:00:53
  By the way, is Vanilla Ice. Just in case you're curious what
• 1:00:58
  that other one for sin is its Rob.
• 1:01:00
  It's been allies but there's a line I believe it's an elite
• 1:01:03
  crazy song. He says, you know, you made me a
• 1:01:06
  preacher but you didn't give me a collar meaning, you know, the
• 1:01:10
  traditional catholic collar. And that's how, you know, a Pap
• 1:01:12
  reach priest priest, he ever kept Catholicism, I'm reminded
• 1:01:17
  of that with you when you talk about your faith and you're
• 1:01:19
  like, yeah, you know, I'm like this is how I am Minister.
• 1:01:23
  I don't have a cop. I'm not a, an official Priest or
• 1:01:27
  a preacher or what not? But this is how you you show,
• 1:01:29
  God's love that and with his effect on your life and where
• 1:01:32
  you are today, right hundred percent.
• 1:01:35
  Yeah, you gotta call it, you're not gonna have a throats coach,
• 1:01:37
  or a head coach or something like that.
• 1:01:38
  I mean, like I would put a collar on no way, he's got me in
• 1:01:42
  this, this line of work because he enjoys this line of people,
• 1:01:46
  like, that's a calling, I can call these.
• 1:01:48
  People is awesome, and I'm not that great of a theologian, but
• 1:01:51
  I do believe that Jesus never wore a collar either.
• 1:01:54
  So, I think it, I think it's okay.
• 1:01:57
  It fits right in. So obviously his calling was
• 1:01:59
  after, you know, close to 20 years as an assistant coach, to
• 1:02:03
  now the right time and you probably knew the insides of it
• 1:02:06
  but it caught me off-guard when I saw the retirement of Bill
• 1:02:09
  Lawson who had also been at now. Kent State for quite a while to
• 1:02:13
  be now the director of track and field.
• 1:02:16
  I told you to put a pin in it earlier when I talked about a
• 1:02:18
  throws coach being a head coach and you alluded to this earlier,
• 1:02:21
  when you talked about, you have my throwers and you're likely
• 1:02:23
  on, they come at different times.
• 1:02:24
  That's traditionally what I see on the Legit setting for
• 1:02:27
  throwers is, you know, Hammer throwers come out at 9 a.m.
• 1:02:32
  Javelin throwers at noon. One section of shot-putter,
• 1:02:35
  discus at two, and then another for making of times, but you
• 1:02:38
  know, it's, that's not unheard of for me to hear of two to
• 1:02:41
  three to four different workout groups for for throwers because
• 1:02:45
  the events are so radically different.
• 1:02:48
  I know the long jump triple jumps different but it's still
• 1:02:51
  main component is run a run up the runway and then you do
• 1:02:54
  something different. Once you go past the The take
• 1:02:57
  afford, I just ticked off every throws or every jumps coach in
• 1:03:00
  the world right now. They're all like, remember I was
• 1:03:01
  a jumps coach? I know.
• 1:03:03
  I know it over. Simplified that.
• 1:03:05
  How do you as a throws coach? How do you now is the director?
• 1:03:10
  You're responsible for a lot more than what you were as the
• 1:03:13
  throws coach? How are you going to change?
• 1:03:19
  If at all on how you coach in regards to not not how you coach
• 1:03:22
  exynos but how you coach organizationally also knowing
• 1:03:25
  that, you know, Got other things.
• 1:03:27
  You got to do now, is the director scheduling budgeting
• 1:03:29
  assistant coach mentoring and Cetera.
• 1:03:33
  Listen, Maybe I thought about it before I even applied number
• 1:03:38
  one, you know, can you can you do all these other things and
• 1:03:41
  still be a successful throws coach?
• 1:03:43
  But I think really the biggest key is number one is having your
• 1:03:46
  the right assistant coaches around you.
• 1:03:48
  So law was the type of guy who had to do most everything
• 1:03:53
  himself, he was going to do the hotels.
• 1:03:55
  Use going to do this. He was so he structured himself
• 1:03:59
  more dictator like I've got this, i got this handled so.
• 1:04:02
  It did freed up a lot of us like a well, shoot, I've got
• 1:04:05
  officials, and I've got my throwers, you know, I've got
• 1:04:09
  some odds and ends you like recruiting aspect of it, but I
• 1:04:12
  didn't have a ton of that head coaching stuff so I was like
• 1:04:14
  shoot, you know, the way he made it look was going to be like,
• 1:04:16
  man, do I want to do this? Do I want to bear that that
• 1:04:19
  burden and then East kind of stick gets back, you like listen
• 1:04:22
  that's not how you have to do. It's by any stretch you give you
• 1:04:26
  get an assistant coach for that, you trust and I brought Mike
• 1:04:30
  schobert, I hired him he was upset.
• 1:04:32
  For Michigan. Killed it up.
• 1:04:33
  There had more than 60 points or 62 points at our conference
• 1:04:36
  championships and I knew sprinting coach why he's going
• 1:04:39
  to get the job done as far as getting the Sprint stuff done
• 1:04:41
  and I can trust that and I can trust him doing some of the
• 1:04:44
  stuff on the day-to-day stuff. I've got a young assistant named
• 1:04:48
  Alex Bloom who is crazy, recruiting awesome recruiting, I
• 1:04:53
  can trust and Rod him that and James Croft.
• 1:04:55
  My distance coach. I can trust.
• 1:04:57
  So it's having those people you trust around you.
• 1:05:00
  Number one that I'm not going to be up in the office.
• 1:05:02
  They by any stretch of the imagination.
• 1:05:04
  The other aspect of it is I my youngest is 12 years old.
• 1:05:09
  He's going to get on the bus at 7:30 in the morning.
• 1:05:12
  And once he's on the bus, I've got my 17 year old, already
• 1:05:15
  drives, the high school, my 15 year old can go with him.
• 1:05:19
  I don't have to do lunches, we have to get kids in the bus at
• 1:05:22
  8:30. I don't have to pack everything
• 1:05:25
  else. My mornings have freed up
• 1:05:27
  massively, so I plan on being in the office which is nice say
• 1:05:30
  8:30 to 11, then I have group. One that goes 11:49.
• 1:05:33
  We lift from eleven or twelve to one session, to goes from 12 to
• 1:05:38
  2 live from 12 to 2, 3 or 4. Then, after that, we've got Med
• 1:05:43
  balls or javelins, I mean, again, you're right.
• 1:05:45
  We go Section after section a section about those coaches do.
• 1:05:48
  But I've got that morning, time to come up here.
• 1:05:50
  And hey, what do we need to do? The other?
• 1:05:52
  The other aspect of is this a lot of coaches like to come up
• 1:05:55
  in the in the offices and they sit down and they just BS with
• 1:05:58
  other coaches solo come in and talk about this or listen.
• 1:06:02
  I told my staff. What I'm in here.
• 1:06:03
  If I've got work to do I'm not necessarily shut my door but you
• 1:06:06
  shut up and I'm gonna do my work.
• 1:06:07
  You do your work we got our stuff done.
• 1:06:09
  We can have fun in the office obvious because I'm Gonna Have
• 1:06:11
  fun wherever I am, but the idea is not to come up and chitchat
• 1:06:14
  the ideas that come up for that hour or two that we need to get
• 1:06:16
  stuff done and get it done. And then, boom, you go out and
• 1:06:19
  throw scope. So I think sometimes you know us
• 1:06:22
  T, we step back and we make a little bit too big of a deal
• 1:06:25
  about ourselves. I go as the head coach, we got
• 1:06:27
  so much responsibility. Listen, I did hotels, I can set
• 1:06:30
  that up in like like less than a day.
• 1:06:32
  I I've got my schedule down. It's not who really hard to do
• 1:06:35
  this stuff. It's just making time to do it.
• 1:06:38
  Having the coaching staff from the right room.
• 1:06:39
  Making sure we're all on the same page in proceeding with
• 1:06:42
  what we need to do. And if I'm not up the office,
• 1:06:43
  hey James, your did your cross country in the morning, you're
• 1:06:47
  the office in the afternoon, get some stuff done.
• 1:06:48
  That needs to be done because I'm not going to be up there.
• 1:06:50
  So it's just trusting your people for the most part.
• 1:06:53
  I do wonder how much you know we talked about as track coaches
• 1:06:57
  the number of hours that we have to put in a week.
• 1:06:59
  It's not an 8 to 5 jobs, not a 40 hour week job and I would
• 1:07:02
  agree with that but I do Wonder because we don't have that
• 1:07:06
  structured 825, you know, we have to clock in at 8 and out at
• 1:07:09
  5:00. I wonder how many times we you
• 1:07:12
  know, we we lacked we relax too much and it's like, oh, I don't
• 1:07:16
  have to worry about. I can do the bus schedule
• 1:07:17
  tomorrow or two hours from now and it's like, well, okay.
• 1:07:20
  Well there's two hours you you didn't have to work that you
• 1:07:23
  could have already really work. You know.
• 1:07:25
  I just wonder if our if we fit self-fulfilling prophecy that
• 1:07:28
  you know I know it takes four hundred hours a week.
• 1:07:31
  Well it's because As you're in the office, not working.
• 1:07:34
  Because because we're typically probably not office people as
• 1:07:37
  track coaches. I see it all the time.
• 1:07:39
  They're like, oh, we work so much.
• 1:07:41
  I'm thinking myself, like, like they give us a tour.
• 1:07:43
  So busy, I'm like, no, you just get it done.
• 1:07:46
  Like, literally stating get it done for like, at that hour and
• 1:07:49
  then it's taken off your plate. Like, I'm not saying you can't
• 1:07:52
  procrastinate because I think that's building the relief
• 1:07:54
  relationship again, right? You need to have that
• 1:07:56
  relationship with the staff and the assistant coaches.
• 1:07:58
  And when I sit up here, my guess is, I'm going to have people
• 1:08:00
  filter my office. So even though I want to I've
• 1:08:02
  done, I'm always got somebody, sit in the office want to talk.
• 1:08:05
  I did that aspect of it but the reality is when I want to get
• 1:08:08
  something done I'm going to get it done and say, get out of my
• 1:08:10
  office. I got to get this done.
• 1:08:12
  Not so I think it is we like to were, I think people people you
• 1:08:16
  know, people persons, we like that are hundred athletes and we
• 1:08:20
  like to have that discussion, we build those relationships, but
• 1:08:22
  if you let that relationships continue to flow into the
• 1:08:24
  office, then we say, oh, we're so busy really.
• 1:08:27
  It's just your relationship building.
• 1:08:29
  When you want to find, just shut that off and get crap done and
• 1:08:31
  be done with it. Yeah, I don't see it hard and no
• 1:08:36
  judgment. I mean if you are if you want to
• 1:08:39
  say, overcompensate on that side of it, no judgment.
• 1:08:42
  It's just hard for you to now say, oh, I'm working 60, 70, 80
• 1:08:46
  hours a week when in reality you could pair it back to closer to
• 1:08:51
  the traditional 40 but again, no judgment.
• 1:08:53
  If that's how you want to write in different parts of our lives,
• 1:08:56
  right? You mentioned, you know, 12 year
• 1:08:58
  old and then, you know, two older ones are in high school.
• 1:09:00
  That is way different than when you had a newborn.
• 1:09:02
  And to, you know, almost middle schoolers, right, that life
• 1:09:05
  looked a lot different than what you have today, you know.
• 1:09:09
  I don't think I'd have been a head coach.
• 1:09:11
  If I had anybody in that middle school age where I'm trying to
• 1:09:14
  still be a dad and I want to get home and like so no, I'm going
• 1:09:18
  to be at home as long as I can and I'm going to get done throws
• 1:09:21
  coaching on we go home because I'm gonna be home again.
• 1:09:22
  Like I've got soccer practice, I got football practice, I've got
• 1:09:25
  this. I got I think YouTube and I've
• 1:09:26
  got like, like right now my daughter.
• 1:09:29
  She just joined the golf team. So I got to drive her in the
• 1:09:31
  morning or pick. Her up at 10 and Driver to band
• 1:09:33
  camp at noon and come back at noon and blah, blah blah.
• 1:09:35
  Well now my my 70 said hey I got a podcast today so you're
• 1:09:39
  picking people up so it's still like life still flows around the
• 1:09:42
  job and of itself but you just got to be able to come to the
• 1:09:44
  office and get stuff done in your head.
• 1:09:46
  You know he's part of the rocket.
• 1:09:48
  Any of these kids going to be track coaches, we just sort of
• 1:09:50
  golf coach, which that might be the real sweet coaching gig.
• 1:09:53
  By the way, as become a golf coach know, my kids are, so not
• 1:09:58
  who I am. Every my youngest my 12 year,
• 1:10:01
  olds more. Athletic and more, like, I'm
• 1:10:04
  going to get to a, but my oldest is like, hey, you know what life
• 1:10:07
  comes like? I could see him living in a van
• 1:10:09
  down by the river. That is 1000 percent and I'd be
• 1:10:13
  like, hey, I'll visit you down by your van down by the river.
• 1:10:16
  And that's where you living. That's good.
• 1:10:20
  My daughter, she is she's the fifteen-year-old, she'll
• 1:10:24
  probably become a teacher because she just likes to teach
• 1:10:26
  everybody and be bossy in the house and then the 12 year-old,
• 1:10:29
  I think he'll be an athlete and kind of like Dad.
• 1:10:31
  I guess. I don't know about a track
• 1:10:32
  coach. Nothing did really track and I
• 1:10:33
  don't care. Do what you want to do.
• 1:10:35
  Like, I've got my reptile my crack and I buy, I love read my
• 1:10:39
  Bible in the morning and my relationship with Christ is most
• 1:10:41
  part things. So, outside of that, you guys
• 1:10:43
  have fun with life and do whatever floats your boat
• 1:10:46
  because I don't really care. Hey, that's healthy.
• 1:10:48
  Some people are listening there right now and going, wow, what a
• 1:10:50
  day? That's not a good debt.
• 1:10:52
  I actually think me and you are, that's what I love learning
• 1:10:55
  about people. We have on the podcast, mean you
• 1:10:57
  are a lot of like my friend that makes me feel bad for you but
• 1:11:01
  we're a lot alike. I say the same thing I'm like
• 1:11:03
  all right whatever you do, don't care, just go do it.
• 1:11:05
  You know, have fun long as you enjoy.
• 1:11:07
  That's all that matters. I think that's super healthy as
• 1:11:09
  a parent. You know, it's being overly
• 1:11:11
  involved. Being involved is really, really
• 1:11:13
  important. I think they're in.
• 1:11:14
  It's a fine line. Being overly involved.
• 1:11:17
  I think, is an issue. We were just at the Illinois
• 1:11:21
  State Fair. We only went for one reason is
• 1:11:23
  because this company that does lures fishing.
• 1:11:26
  Lures was down there and my son, huge to Sherman.
• 1:11:30
  I can't stand fish. Being at all like, yeah, it's
• 1:11:36
  boring to me, I just cannot do it.
• 1:11:39
  He, uh, fishes 24/7. And so, we literally, when he
• 1:11:42
  was younger, we took him to a free fishing day because I was
• 1:11:45
  like sounds like kind of in the same vein.
• 1:11:47
  I was like, whatever the kids want to try let them try.
• 1:11:49
  If they love it. Great, if they don't.
• 1:11:50
  Okay, whatever. And so we took him to a free
• 1:11:53
  fishing days like well, maybe he'll like it.
• 1:11:54
  I don't know. I can't stand it, but maybe he
• 1:11:55
  will. And, you know, purview no pun
• 1:11:58
  intended. He was hooked.
• 1:11:59
  The very first little stinky fish and now he's Ten pound bass
• 1:12:03
  at camp this summer and just, I mean he is the guy's got like
• 1:12:07
  200 and something lures. I mean, it's like when I say
• 1:12:10
  he's addicted, he's addicted. And I'm like knock yourself out.
• 1:12:13
  Go do your thing man. I don't hate to say the way you
• 1:12:16
  said it but it is true is like I don't care.
• 1:12:18
  Just go do your thing man. Honestly I was you have passion,
• 1:12:21
  it's all good. There's our there's our
• 1:12:23
  parenting tip of the podcast right there.
• 1:12:26
  Okay. Let's go to a different kind of
• 1:12:28
  parenting and something that I'm wildly fascinated by.
• 1:12:32
  Cuz I'm a critter person I used to have snakes from college up
• 1:12:36
  and up until I met my wife who is not a snake person.
• 1:12:39
  I've had different types of snakes and reptiles good friend
• 1:12:42
  of mine, Jeff Hartwig is a big reptile reader dealer, and
• 1:12:46
  things like that. You I don't know how I think I
• 1:12:49
  learned it through Facebook. These seats social media is
• 1:12:50
  amazing. Yahoo tell me more you breed you
• 1:12:54
  sell, you have these. I'm going to probably say it
• 1:12:57
  wrong and I'm say lizards there get goes you're going to teach
• 1:13:00
  me give some fascinating reptiles.
• 1:13:02
  Tell us about this. How did you get into that?
• 1:13:04
  What do you, what do you do these things?
• 1:13:05
  Tell us more. So I was always, I always liked
• 1:13:10
  animals growing up. I always had either a parakeet
• 1:13:13
  or a snake, or a rat, or I had an iguana when I was in high
• 1:13:16
  school. So I was an animal guy, but it's
• 1:13:21
  just his kind of evolved to like having a reptile room and when I
• 1:13:25
  was, when I was younger, I so I had snakes like with you, but
• 1:13:31
  then I got married in the wife said, Oh whoa, no snakes.
• 1:13:33
  I was like, okay, I'm okay with no snakes and so we end up
• 1:13:36
  taking my snake and I traded at a pet shop for tortoise and I
• 1:13:40
  end up and it was like, a self Kutta.
• 1:13:43
  The African sell kind of tourists, which is the fourth
• 1:13:45
  largest tortoise in the world. I knew he was going to get super
• 1:13:47
  big, but tortoises had me hooked for a little while.
• 1:13:49
  I love their little like, love to who they were.
• 1:13:51
  But I knew once, Gregory that was his name.
• 1:13:54
  That was our first tortoise. He got to the size where I'm
• 1:13:56
  like, listen I can't, we can't keep this tortoise forever.
• 1:13:59
  So I end up selling him to a person out in California, who
• 1:14:01
  could raise them Big farm and do their stuff there.
• 1:14:05
  And I got in the big research was the smallest tortoise and so
• 1:14:09
  I had tortoises product probably for a decade.
• 1:14:11
  But tortoises honestly are long-lived.
• 1:14:13
  It takes a while for them to mature.
• 1:14:15
  You don't even know if they're going to be males or females
• 1:14:17
  until your two or three sometimes four or five.
• 1:14:20
  Like if you got big ones like Galapagos has are all dobrze
• 1:14:25
  will take 10 or 20 years so you got to have a long I wasn't into
• 1:14:29
  that. So I end up ten years in a
• 1:14:31
  Taurus unlikely. And I'm going to, I'm going to
• 1:14:33
  step away from the reptiles for a bit and kind of just take a
• 1:14:36
  break and after a year of not having any reptiles like this is
• 1:14:39
  ridiculous, I've got something. So I end up getting I was in the
• 1:14:43
  geckos for a while so I put some money into some geckos and I got
• 1:14:48
  a lot of Australian species in the neveress was like really
• 1:14:51
  wheeler. I and I got a me, a and Levis
• 1:14:54
  and all these different species and I again this is the artistic
• 1:14:57
  aspect of me. I would get red ones in Orange
• 1:14:59
  ones and banded ones. And so I love the art.
• 1:15:02
  It going downstairs and feeding them crickets.
• 1:15:05
  The whole feeding aspect of it, cleaning cages and looking at
• 1:15:07
  them. But after I mean I started with
• 1:15:11
  geckos in 2011, by Levi about 2,000 18 or 19.
• 1:15:14
  I probably had 40 of them. And yes, it was and 40.
• 1:15:20
  I don't know. Some people are like, oh, for
• 1:15:21
  he's not bad because I have like 3,000, well, 40 as a track
• 1:15:25
  coach. So I've got females that are
• 1:15:27
  laying eggs. I've got pink eggs that are
• 1:15:29
  incubating popping out. And I'm always on a A trip and
• 1:15:32
  so the wife has to go downstairs.
• 1:15:34
  I'm like hey go you know see if there's anything come out of the
• 1:15:37
  incubator and I've got baby cage, just made.
• 1:15:39
  Go put those three babies in the cape so she is having to deal
• 1:15:41
  with this and I would say by 2019, she had had enough of it,
• 1:15:47
  she was pissed. So as well shoot, I can't not
• 1:15:52
  have reptiles but I can't continue to do what I'm doing.
• 1:15:55
  So I end up finding and I don't know how I didn't have him
• 1:16:00
  earlier. But like you said, lizards, I
• 1:16:02
  Kind of got I've shifted in the lizard's aspect of it and
• 1:16:05
  they're called agar. Nia the species is a gurney.
• 1:16:08
  And it's a, there's essentially skinks from Australia and
• 1:16:14
  they're more rare. And so there are super high
• 1:16:17
  dollar. They're not cheap by any stretch
• 1:16:19
  of imagination. I have one pair of a gurney of
• 1:16:23
  that are ten thousand dollars. I have another pair of of
• 1:16:26
  depressive that are four thousand dollars even though I'm
• 1:16:28
  selling them because I'm buying some or boreas, gotta practice
• 1:16:31
  which are from From East Africa, but they're about anywhere
• 1:16:35
  between seven to ten thousand dollars for a pair.
• 1:16:37
  So I have massive amounts of money into a couple pairs but
• 1:16:41
  here's the deal. It's like instead of having 40
• 1:16:44
  geckos that end up being 25 thousand dollars.
• 1:16:46
  Now I only have six to eight things downstairs and their
• 1:16:50
  lives bearers. So they don't have eggs, they
• 1:16:53
  are easy with the desert. I have my hot spots on them if
• 1:16:56
  they become grab it and Pregnant and they have a baby, it's not
• 1:16:59
  like the wife has to deal with them.
• 1:17:00
  So everything is self. Contained in my reptile room
• 1:17:03
  right now high-dollar species. Yes, less of them and they're
• 1:17:06
  self-contained. So we need 40 pets is a lot 40
• 1:17:12
  pets, that you're breeding and taken care of and you know it's
• 1:17:16
  I'ma call it a business you know it's buying and selling and
• 1:17:18
  things like that. That's that's a full-time job.
• 1:17:21
  I never could understand what Hartwig was you know, being a
• 1:17:23
  professional pole vaulter and then his agency and working with
• 1:17:28
  us and it was doing. I was like, where do you find
• 1:17:30
  the time? I mean, I know it's not, you
• 1:17:31
  know, it's not a Every day you got to make sure something
• 1:17:34
  happens, you know like a dog. You got to feed it every day and
• 1:17:36
  walk it every day, but still it's takes time and effort and
• 1:17:41
  research and it takes time. So we're on the, on the 40.
• 1:17:45
  Get goes where you breeding like trying to make specific color
• 1:17:49
  patterns and things like that. That some people do like snakes
• 1:17:52
  and other. Yeah, depending on what you're
• 1:17:54
  doing it like the ball python rolling, say the snakes, we call
• 1:17:58
  them color palettes. And I can't have something I
• 1:18:00
  love to watch like that. They have snakes that you can
• 1:18:03
  look up on morph Market that are probably 20 thousand dollars
• 1:18:06
  just for one snake because they have like they have recessive
• 1:18:10
  like a double recessive or a triple recessive or codominant
• 1:18:12
  jeans. And they stack all these genes
• 1:18:14
  therefore were five genes in a snake and it makes their color
• 1:18:17
  palette look killer, but it took 20 years to develop that snake
• 1:18:21
  because if you have a recessive gene, like an albino is a
• 1:18:23
  recessive genotype eyeballs recessive gene.
• 1:18:25
  But You Oughta Know by now piebald then that's a double
• 1:18:28
  recessive and you have so you can have recessive.
• 1:18:30
  Traits are dominant traits are codominant trade It's, and you
• 1:18:33
  end up. You have to really know.
• 1:18:35
  Number one, genetics. If you're a reptile breeders,
• 1:18:38
  you have to know genetics number one.
• 1:18:39
  Number two, you have to understand like mine right now,
• 1:18:42
  you have to understand the microclimates.
• 1:18:44
  So even though they're an Australian species, everyone's
• 1:18:47
  like, oh, they like the hot desert.
• 1:18:48
  Well, they like the hot desert. Yes.
• 1:18:50
  But they like it out in the hot for about an hour and then
• 1:18:52
  they'll go in the cool shade where there's moisture and
• 1:18:55
  humidity. And so people killer reptiles
• 1:18:57
  all the time, because they think, oh, I've got an
• 1:18:59
  Australian species. That likes it, hot all the time.
• 1:19:01
  Well, did you give it water? Can they can you have 50 to 60%,
• 1:19:04
  humidity underneath the log that you have?
• 1:19:06
  So I you constantly have to understand hot spots in the
• 1:19:10
  cage. Cool spots in the cage
• 1:19:11
  microclimates everything has working mechanism.
• 1:19:15
  That's just again, I like I like the aspect of going home and I
• 1:19:18
  am not track. And field is what I do as a job.
• 1:19:21
  But I don't take this job when I get home, I more or less enjoy
• 1:19:26
  reading about. I was into huge eschatology and
• 1:19:30
  I was into huge adamic Capri. Adama cages and when God built
• 1:19:34
  you know when we started in Genesis or we in Revelations and
• 1:19:37
  where we talk about pre-trib post-trib pre-wrath all this, I
• 1:19:41
  love during covid time. I love to study that but I also
• 1:19:43
  love to study my reptiles so traffic cones what I do but I
• 1:19:46
  don't necessarily take it home with me.
• 1:19:48
  I can put it away, I'm done coaching, I can put it to the
• 1:19:50
  side I and that's a I think huge mental aspect of it.
• 1:19:54
  I think again, if we want to talk about coaches, if you can't
• 1:19:57
  have a hobby or if you can't put it down, then you're going to be
• 1:20:00
  in trouble, 20 years in life when you have Nothing else to
• 1:20:03
  Define you other than track and field.
• 1:20:04
  And that's where I think a lot of people times they bounce
• 1:20:06
  around sometimes. It's because they get four,
• 1:20:10
  five, six years in, you could see somebody kind of, get bad
• 1:20:13
  boredom sets in mentally. And then they need to go
• 1:20:15
  somewhere else. And then four or five years sets
• 1:20:17
  in. They get bored or the head coach
• 1:20:19
  shifts and gets fired. There's other reasons, just been
• 1:20:21
  getting bored mentally but I think that's an aspect of it.
• 1:20:24
  Got to find a hobby. My hobby is I would have to say
• 1:20:27
  no I don't want to say Christ is my hobby because he's my life.
• 1:20:29
  That's how I live my life, her butt.
• 1:20:32
  Reptiles is my hobby is the thing.
• 1:20:33
  I can go home to and have enjoyment, studying feeding,
• 1:20:36
  breeding, everything else. And unfortunately, like I had
• 1:20:40
  just gotten some yellow tree monitors which are awesome.
• 1:20:43
  They're amazing. And I spent like five to six
• 1:20:45
  thousand dollars into him this season but now as being a head
• 1:20:48
  coach, and I'm talking to my reptile people last night, I
• 1:20:51
  don't think I can keep them because the time frame that the
• 1:20:54
  head coaching is going to be involved into is not going to
• 1:20:57
  allow me to keep the species because the humidity they need
• 1:21:00
  to be sprayed daily. They need meat.
• 1:21:02
  Daily eggs are have to be checked males to females.
• 1:21:04
  The male's will eat the eggs, if I'm not there, then we're really
• 1:21:07
  screwed. So, I added a species that as a
• 1:21:10
  throws coach. I could handle as a head coach.
• 1:21:11
  I can't handle. So, so to last subjects here, I
• 1:21:17
  really want to touch on what I think, is something really
• 1:21:19
  healthy that again, I don't think we talked a lot about in
• 1:21:22
  the coaching body that we should be, and I work hard at.
• 1:21:26
  When I talk about a coach instead of saying, hey, it's a
• 1:21:29
  coach and blah, blah, blah. I like to always refer to To it
• 1:21:32
  the person who chooses coach coaching specifically track and
• 1:21:36
  field as a profession. You know it's one of two
• 1:21:39
  professions where the title stays with you 24/7.
• 1:21:44
  So coach right? Maybe your neighbors probably
• 1:21:46
  know you as coach and you know kids will you've been coaching
• 1:21:49
  for 20-plus years? Some kid 20 years ago probably
• 1:21:52
  would see you in. Still call you coach not Nate
• 1:21:56
  not Nathan you know mr. Finger it's coach the only other
• 1:22:00
  profession is dr. You I'll have a doctor, losing
• 1:22:03
  your neighborhood. It's hey, Doc.
• 1:22:04
  How you doing? You know, you go to the grocery
• 1:22:06
  store, right? Doc, yeah.
• 1:22:07
  The dial for, you know, no other profession.
• 1:22:09
  No one's. There's no, you don't call your
• 1:22:11
  accountant account. Jim you don't call your.
• 1:22:16
  Let's go see a therapist with that.
• 1:22:16
  Be a doctor but you know it's one of those two titles that
• 1:22:19
  always stays with us and so a lot of times we make that our
• 1:22:22
  life we are coach. That is first second and third
• 1:22:27
  and into I don't want to let today's culture because it
• 1:22:29
  certainly isn't anything new. But in culture In society, we
• 1:22:33
  like to celebrate the grind, right?
• 1:22:36
  I go, if you ain't grinding 24/7, if you ain't work on your
• 1:22:39
  craft as a coach 24/7, you know, you're doing it wrong.
• 1:22:42
  Have you ever heard finger? Have you ever heard of ir
• 1:22:46
  Theory? No, so the I stands for the
• 1:22:51
  individual, you you Nathan finger, and the are too kind of
• 1:22:56
  make two columns. I it's you that's it's only
• 1:22:58
  thing in the column you who God made you to be who God wants you
• 1:23:02
  to be Etc to you. And in the our column, it's all
• 1:23:06
  your roles. So you just typically have a ton
• 1:23:10
  of rolls, right? One rules coach.
• 1:23:12
  One rolls a teammate, you have other People in your athletic
• 1:23:17
  department that depend on you to do their jobs and vice versa,
• 1:23:21
  head coach has a role for you son is a role for you.
• 1:23:25
  Husband is a roll dad, right reptile.
• 1:23:29
  What are you doing? Are you a retarded?
• 1:23:31
  What we what we call you were tile keeper.
• 1:23:33
  Breeder whatever. You know, what would you be?
• 1:23:34
  Yeah, that's a role. And so you have all these roles
• 1:23:38
  and I'm missing a ton of roles. I don't mean, I think you said
• 1:23:42
  you had brothers and sisters, right?
• 1:23:43
  So your brother is a roll. The mentor for some people
• 1:23:49
  teacher Etc. There's all these roles, right?
• 1:23:52
  If you, if you were to rate yourself on any one of those,
• 1:23:56
  you just pick a role, maybe that as husband, you're like, you
• 1:23:59
  know, hey, I'm from one to ten one.
• 1:24:01
  I am failing 10 will have killing it.
• 1:24:04
  How am I doing as a husband today?
• 1:24:06
  All right. You can't be an eight nine or a
• 1:24:12
  ten as a husband. If you can't see what God has
• 1:24:16
  made you to be, so your eye is a 10, sometimes we feel bad,
• 1:24:21
  right? He's like, oh man, I'm just not.
• 1:24:22
  I'm just not a good human. I don't, I don't, I don't.
• 1:24:25
  It's usually societal pressures, right?
• 1:24:26
  I'm not doing charity work. I'm not, maybe I'm not in
• 1:24:29
  married. Maybe you think that's what
• 1:24:30
  makes you a 10 because you're married to someone, which is not
• 1:24:32
  true, right? But if you can't see what God
• 1:24:34
  sees in you, there's a 10 Well then you can't be a ten as a
• 1:24:38
  coach or an eight or not, you know, eight, nine ten is all
• 1:24:40
  kind of saying that you're killing.
• 1:24:41
  If you're waiting on Tim, you can't be an eight nine or ten as
• 1:24:44
  a dad. If your don't understand what
• 1:24:47
  God sees in you and what he's made you to be, right?
• 1:24:50
  So part of that, where I'm getting to is when you talk
• 1:24:53
  about, hey, I'm a coach and that's important to you.
• 1:24:55
  That's my profession. That's what supports your
• 1:24:57
  family, and you love the sport things like that.
• 1:25:01
  But that's not what the fight. That's not number one like,
• 1:25:04
  right, my faith. What sounds like I don't want
• 1:25:06
  that. Your mom sounds like faith is
• 1:25:07
  number one, maybe family is number two, maybe others is
• 1:25:11
  number three, and we tend to forget that self has to be in
• 1:25:15
  there as coaches. You know, it's a very selfless
• 1:25:18
  profession, you're giving towards others, you're giving
• 1:25:20
  towards others kids, but there has to be, we sometimes forget
• 1:25:24
  about that, we have to take care of ourselves that we can take
• 1:25:26
  care of others. Right?
• 1:25:27
  With take care of our health. We have to take care of future
• 1:25:29
  retirement, things like that we have to we have to do things
• 1:25:32
  that are selfish so that we can become and do self less.
• 1:25:37
  So I think that what you mentioned they are about, you
• 1:25:39
  know, hey, you know what, I don't take my work home.
• 1:25:41
  When I go home I'm I'm in those other roles.
• 1:25:43
  I'm dad and husband, and son, calling your parents things like
• 1:25:46
  that. That's not talked about enough
• 1:25:49
  in our profession here as coaching track.
• 1:25:51
  We it's easy to get on social media and with our buddies at
• 1:25:55
  that meats and stuff and talk about.
• 1:25:56
  Yeah, I went to this clinic and I went to this camp and I was up
• 1:25:58
  till 10:00 watching this video all over again.
• 1:26:01
  And then I got up at six and you know headfirst wait practice and
• 1:26:06
  it's Like wow, where did you? And especially with our job, you
• 1:26:09
  know weekends it's easy to suck up every weekend recruiting and
• 1:26:12
  go into meets. I think what you, what you
• 1:26:15
  express their something that it's not talked about enough.
• 1:26:18
  And it needs to be talked about more needs to be the common
• 1:26:21
  talking in my true opinion. After, you know, being a
• 1:26:24
  coaching Advocate and talking to coaches around the country.
• 1:26:27
  I just think it's so important and we're kind of dropping the
• 1:26:29
  ball. Well, I think so that that's
• 1:26:34
  where I'm at now, the but like I've had times if you ask my
• 1:26:37
  wife and he's like, man, I guys up at 11:00 at night watching
• 1:26:40
  film, right? Because I, at some point in
• 1:26:42
  time, I was still trying to find who I was in the coaching.
• 1:26:46
  How do I, what am I looking for? How am I doing this?
• 1:26:49
  How am I? So, I think there is like,
• 1:26:52
  again, Ebbs and flows of life, like, where I had that first
• 1:26:55
  four or five years as a young coach is, how do I hone my Self
• 1:27:01
  as a coach. What am I looking for?
• 1:27:02
  How am I developing this? That's a big aspect of it and
• 1:27:05
  then and then obviously coming home and still being a dad.
• 1:27:08
  And that's that's where I find myself now, more than anything.
• 1:27:11
  I'm not saying it. When the kids are out of the
• 1:27:13
  house, I'm like, roof, I haven't done anything track and field
• 1:27:16
  wise for about five or six years.
• 1:27:17
  I haven't done any personal development.
• 1:27:18
  Haven't watched the film, like I don't know.
• 1:27:20
  Like let me get back caught back up under this a little bit.
• 1:27:22
  Like I think that's you've got to allow yourself to be able to
• 1:27:25
  go through some of those abs and falls on those roles and not
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  just stick with And if you're honestly, if you're just gonna
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  be a parent, a dad than you might not be as successful
• 1:27:34
  throws coach or coach at all because you've got to be able to
• 1:27:37
  have time to develop you as a person in that coaching role or
• 1:27:40
  if you can't just overload. One of the other, if I'm gonna
• 1:27:42
  just give me a reptile owner and go home and have reptiles, and
• 1:27:44
  good. Maybe get out of the coaching
• 1:27:46
  profession and be a reptile guy. So it's how you balance that
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  Christ in our life is all about balancing and how does he keep
• 1:27:53
  us balanced? You know, obviously you keep
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  prices is your Sentra quality. My that's my focal point.
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  And how do I work that in my head around?
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  And everything else. Like when you said you were a
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  role as a dad, a husband is this?
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  And that I was thinking, everything is a Ministry.
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  I'm a, I'm a in my my, as a husband, I'm a minister in my
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  role as this semester. It's where he has you.
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  That's it's Kingdom building. Thought process, I'm here to,
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  he's has me established as my kingdom but in my kingdom
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  revolves around the bigger aspect of his kingdom.
• 1:28:21
  So how do we, how do you put those roles in the mindset of he
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  is, he is King, he centrality. How you work?
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  That he's given you a His his structure, right?
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  So I don't know, I think you're right.
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  We don't talk about it enough and I think a lot of times
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  coaches are 20 years in, and they are, they've only known
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  coaching versus having a hobby, and taking a deep breath and
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  doing something else. And knowing who you are as an
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  individual, those are key aspects of I love snowboarding
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  with my son's in winter time, even though it's in the middle
• 1:28:52
  of season. I will figure out how to do a
• 1:28:54
  Friday night up on a mountain somewhere because that's huge to
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  what I am. I'm from Montana.
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  If I'm not snowboarding if I'm not being a husband, if I I'm
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  not going to football practice with my twelve-year-old.
• 1:29:02
  If I'm not having reptiles. It doesn't it does.
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  I'm not doing what I need to do to recharge my batteries once
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  every summer. I like to head out west, I
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  didn't get to this summer which is fine because I got a new role
• 1:29:13
  but I need to be out in Montana for a week or South Dakota for a
• 1:29:17
  week or I need to be some. Those are recharging batteries
• 1:29:19
  and getting you back ground into your feet and then stepping back
• 1:29:22
  into the coaching role, I knew we would find something that we
• 1:29:26
  didn't have in common. I'm never snowboarding.
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  I hate snow. I'm in Illinois.
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  I married a Chicago girls. I ain't Leavin.
• 1:29:33
  But yeah man, and I ain't going to Montana.
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  I camping, that's I assume. When you say Montana, sounds
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  like, oh, you roughing it. Yeah, you know, roughing it to
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  me is, I had to choose a Hampton over Hilton, Garden Inn, man.
• 1:29:44
  I'm just, you know, I'm not that tough.
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  All right, that's why I was, I would never been a thrower.
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  Not not Tough Enough at all at all.
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  Well, thanks. You know.
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  You actually, you help. Any kind of change my thinking,
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  their fingers you're talking about when I talk about, you
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  know, the roles and God family Other Self, you know, you're
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  not. I don't believe you can be a
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  coach number one, two and three like your professional no other
• 1:30:07
  profession. Ask for that.
• 1:30:09
  No nothing else business owner etcetera.
• 1:30:11
  That might be the closest but still but what you kind of
• 1:30:14
  helped with my thinking there's the evolution of the person who
• 1:30:19
  chooses to be a coach so maybe it is different rear 12345 of a
• 1:30:23
  coach Maybe. You need to be twenty four,
• 1:30:25
  seven, ish, coach different things that play into the areas.
• 1:30:28
  Are they married or not? You know, because obviously the
• 1:30:31
  then you're responsible for other people but maybe when
• 1:30:34
  you're, I was just, I was a single 20 year old, you know,
• 1:30:37
  coach when I first got into, I don't have responsibility for
• 1:30:39
  anybody else. Outside of my athletes, I could
• 1:30:42
  just do nothing but that, and then, as you move along, now I
• 1:30:45
  think about, you know, wife and two kids, I'm gonna go, I
• 1:30:47
  couldn't, I couldn't do that with, you know, I know what my
• 1:30:51
  personality would be and it would I would be taken away from
• 1:30:53
  me. Fatherhood in my husbandry, for
• 1:30:55
  sure. So.
• 1:30:56
  But that Evolution and then, so, maybe that means coaches in your
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  role, 20 years on 30 years on maybe, that means the Evolution
• 1:31:04
  for that person who chooses to be a coach, is to help the
• 1:31:08
  younger people. The newer people that are
• 1:31:09
  getting into coaching. Hey, you know, it's at some
• 1:31:12
  point you're gonna have to, you're going to do this a little
• 1:31:14
  different, you know, I know you. I know you enjoy watching track
• 1:31:17
  on TV 24/7, and being at a track meet every weekend.
• 1:31:20
  And yeah, yeah. It's some point.
• 1:31:23
  It's going to Be a little different, doesn't have to mean
• 1:31:26
  less passion. Doesn't have to mean less
• 1:31:28
  proficiency, it just means it has maybe be different.
• 1:31:31
  Maybe has to go down the priority totem pole if you will,
• 1:31:35
  from there. Yeah.
• 1:31:36
  You really like there really is, you're talking.
• 1:31:38
  I kind of helped me change that. Okay, man.
• 1:31:40
  Hey, let's wrap up here. You are the new director of
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  track and field. It can State program that has
• 1:31:45
  had many many successes every year.
• 1:31:48
  There are athletes that are at Nationals.
• 1:31:50
  This is an expectation of the program at least from the
• 1:31:53
  outside, you mate. Tell me different which means
• 1:31:55
  you probably would have been the new director if that's different
• 1:31:58
  for you. What's got you excited, man?
• 1:32:00
  You got a new year coming up new coaches.
• 1:32:02
  You mentioned the coach from Central Michigan.
• 1:32:03
  I believe he's an Alum, right? I always get excited when a
• 1:32:06
  lumps, come back to their alma mater.
• 1:32:09
  What's got you excited coming up here and the next couple Seasons
• 1:32:11
  as you start putting your fingerprints here on the
• 1:32:14
  program. You know, I just, I think the,
• 1:32:19
  the biggest aspect of what we need to do is be consistent with
• 1:32:24
  the coaches that are here, so that my my excitement is the
• 1:32:27
  staff that I have now is I think going to remain for the next
• 1:32:32
  four to six years, right? That is in the continuity.
• 1:32:35
  Like, I think, I think the biggest aspect of not being able
• 1:32:39
  to win conference year, after year, after year is, just when
• 1:32:42
  you have a different coach, you have to get on the same page and
• 1:32:44
  it'll earn. New system, and who do they
• 1:32:46
  recruit? Who they not recruit.
• 1:32:47
  And so, are we filling the right, gaps, or with filling the
• 1:32:49
  right holes? And if you have a turnover after
• 1:32:52
  turnover after turnover becomes a little bit, I don't know.
• 1:32:55
  It becomes just, it does not everyone's on the same page at
• 1:32:57
  all given time. So I think, once that page
• 1:33:00
  becomes can, I think that's my goal is to just be the top
• 1:33:06
  player in our conference championships 1st.
• 1:33:08
  I mean, that's I think that's the administration wise wants to
• 1:33:10
  see that and we, you know, for the individuals of the Getting
• 1:33:15
  them championship rings and having them be able to really
• 1:33:19
  feel the success over and over and over again.
• 1:33:21
  That's crucial. But I also want to be relevant
• 1:33:25
  possibly on the on the NCAA stage.
• 1:33:27
  So is it is it a thing where you can be top 20 to top 25 year
• 1:33:32
  after your at the national you have the right people that can
• 1:33:37
  that can get the job done. I mean it's really fun and, you
• 1:33:40
  know, one, two, three people. I had Danielle who end up
• 1:33:43
  winning The shop of one year in fourth, in The discus, in the
• 1:33:46
  same year and she was just because of her alone.
• 1:33:49
  We, I think we were, like, 15th in the country just because of
• 1:33:51
  her points. So it's getting the right people
• 1:33:53
  in the right place to win the conference Championship year
• 1:33:57
  after year, and see how well you can do at the Big Show.
• 1:34:01
  Well, you know, knowing you for a while.
• 1:34:03
  Now, haven't listened to your story here.
• 1:34:04
  Knowing the, you talk about consistency, your personal
• 1:34:08
  consistency there at Kent State, I have no doubts that you know
• 1:34:12
  what you done and this is no, you know?
• 1:34:15
  Good friends with Bill Lawson and he did an amazing job, you
• 1:34:17
  know, it's going to be different.
• 1:34:19
  I think it's a different person in the head chair but I think
• 1:34:23
  you know the things that he built that, you know he added
• 1:34:25
  onto it window built and he had gone to what the coach before
• 1:34:28
  them. I think it's just a continual
• 1:34:30
  building process and I'm excited to see it man because you are in
• 1:34:33
  a tough conference that did not get weaker.
• 1:34:36
  By the way, maybe got tougher as it could, you know, the coaches
• 1:34:39
  continue to develop and we'll see what new things happen at
• 1:34:42
  Akron. Kind of the Rival of Kent State
• 1:34:44
  there down the road. And so that'll be interesting to
• 1:34:46
  see. But man, we're excited to see
• 1:34:48
  it. We think big things are coming
• 1:34:50
  and big continually big things are coming.
• 1:34:53
  It'll be exciting to see. You know, you're you're like,
• 1:34:56
  said that your fingerprint that you put on it and I fully expect
• 1:35:00
  it'll be 80 throwers and 20 jumpers and sprinters and
• 1:35:02
  distant sites. I'm excited just to say 100,000
• 1:35:06
  throwers at Kent Ohio. But that's one thing though.
• 1:35:10
  Like, literally, there's no way to, I'm not going to change my
• 1:35:12
  throw. I'm not going to go down.
• 1:35:13
  I'm not going to go up. I think you have to be
• 1:35:16
  consistent, like, I'm good and I give good points to the team,
• 1:35:20
  but if I had 80 points, the team number one, I would kill our.
• 1:35:23
  We couldn't win conference or it be too busy as the head coach.
• 1:35:26
  So, you better have you got you have to know your role, just
• 1:35:29
  keep consistent consistency again.
• 1:35:31
  Know what you've done in the past, continue to do what you've
• 1:35:33
  done, figure out how to get that done.
• 1:35:35
  Don't add, don't take it away. Yeah, I think Ski.
• 1:35:38
  I love it man. I love it.
• 1:35:39
  And I'm so thankful man. You know, you're you're just
• 1:35:44
  starting to learn a bunch of new things, right?
• 1:35:46
  As the new director, and you're starting to put your plans and
• 1:35:49
  actually start to create your plans and then put them to
• 1:35:51
  action. You're hiring Etc.
• 1:35:53
  You know, the kids. Probably come back to school
• 1:35:54
  here any day now. So cross country season is
• 1:35:57
  literally a blink away which means fall practice is a snap
• 1:36:00
  away. You know, for you to give us
• 1:36:02
  today's time and means the world to us.
• 1:36:05
  You know, your journey is important.
• 1:36:08
  It's one of the reasons why we started this podcast because we
• 1:36:10
  truly believe that people who choose to be track coaches, your
• 1:36:12
  journey is important. What's awesome about your
• 1:36:15
  journey. Specifically, if it were a book
• 1:36:18
  you know, if it was values the example of a book, we might
• 1:36:22
  maybe we're getting close to halfway through that book.
• 1:36:25
  Which means there is a whole mess, more to go man.
• 1:36:28
  There's a lot of chapters to be written in your journey.
• 1:36:31
  And you know it's like you're barely at the 200 meter Mark for
• 1:36:35
  for 400. I have no Hammer analogy for
• 1:36:37
  that. So I'm just Use the 400 barely
• 1:36:40
  get into that 200-meter split, which is exciting because you
• 1:36:42
  have a lot of things built up, and there's a lot of things
• 1:36:45
  ahead of you for the program and the golden flash, which is
• 1:36:48
  pretty exciting man. And so, I'm just so thankful for
• 1:36:50
  your time today. And being here with us today, I
• 1:36:52
  appreciate you guys. Put me on has been fun and I was
• 1:36:55
  like, awesome, man. I told you we'd have fun man
• 1:36:58
  throwers. I don't know, they're a
• 1:36:59
  different breed and I mean that in all the best ways that's one
• 1:37:02
  of his roles by the way, throw her right?
• 1:37:04
  I mean it's quite amazing. Thank you for being here today
• 1:37:07
  and listening to us. Again, just super humbled that
• 1:37:09
  you spent any time with us. And here we just did an hour and
• 1:37:12
  a half. We'll just another amazing
• 1:37:13
  person. Who thank goodness, you know,
• 1:37:15
  this guy could have been an art teacher.
• 1:37:16
  I wouldn't have interviewed him if he was an art teacher
• 1:37:18
  somewhere. Right?
• 1:37:18
  Thank goodness. He became a track coach and has
• 1:37:21
  affected so many young, people's lives and positive manner.
• 1:37:24
  So many of his kids have gone to be coaches, have gone on to be
• 1:37:27
  parents business owners. I mean, that's the real impact
• 1:37:31
  of a track coach. Whether you're at Kent, Ohio,
• 1:37:33
  Eufaula Alabama, Los Angeles, California, don't matter.
• 1:37:37
  You affect young people in positive manners and that is
• 1:37:40
  your ultimate, Ultimate gift to this world for being a track
• 1:37:44
  coach, man. I'm just so thankful for you.
• 1:37:45
  So join us next week, we'll do it all over again.
• 1:37:47
  We'll get another guy or gal, who just chooses to spend a lot
• 1:37:50
  of time with me and we'll explore their journey and see
• 1:37:52
  what kind of value we can bring out of them.
• 1:37:54
  Have a great day. Thanks man.
• 1:38:04
  Thanks Mike what an incredible journey coach has been on so
• 1:38:07
  awesome to hear their story in their own words, tremendous
• 1:38:10
  proof of the positive effect coaches, make on a daily basis.
• 1:38:13
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