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Steve Price | 9 May · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price. Welcome to Friday's breaking news
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Speaker 1: all around the place. Steve Price with you will be
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Speaker 1: joined by Matt Canavan who made that shock announcement late
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Speaker 1: today that he is going to challenge David Little Prowd.
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Speaker 1: More on that shortly. We're six days on from what
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Speaker 1: really was a shock election result last weekend and the
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Speaker 1: triumphant winners by a country mile. They all gathered as
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Speaker 1: a caucus the Labor Party in Canberra today. Here was
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Speaker 1: the reaction when the return Prime Minister, Anthony Albanezi walked
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Speaker 1: into the room and a crowded room it certainly was
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Speaker 1: more than ninety now. We think it didn't take long
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Speaker 1: though for some pointed sledges at both the coalition and
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Speaker 1: the defeated Peter Dutton. It started with a welcome to country.
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Speaker 2: I begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of land on
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Speaker 2: which we make and pay my respect to elders.
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Speaker 1: A clear reference of course to that recent debate around
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Speaker 1: such welcomes to country. That was more an acknowledgment, but
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Speaker 1: that was seriously a stab at Peter Dutton. Another stab
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Speaker 1: at Peter Dutton's campaign admission that he'd rather live in
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Speaker 1: Sydney than Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Before the national capital, the wonderful great city of Canberra was.
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Speaker 1: As at least four supporters. Well, the Hubrews has crept in,
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Speaker 1: but why not. They won by so much there they
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Speaker 1: probably need to celebrate. It. All is, of course unfolded
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Speaker 1: in front of a divided factional brawl. After two cabinet ministers,
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Speaker 1: we find out overnight the right winger Mark Drayfus who
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Speaker 1: was the Attorney General and Ed Husick were both dumped
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Speaker 1: and have more on the future and will now have
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Speaker 1: ninety plus labor majority in the Lower House. Here's what
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Speaker 1: else is coming up on the program tonight, As I said,
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Speaker 1: another bombshell for the coalition with Matt Canavan Senator Matt
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Speaker 1: Canavan from Queensland announcing that he will challenge David Little
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Speaker 1: Proud for the national leadership at their party meeting on Monday.
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Speaker 1: It's all a bit of a mess, but I said,
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Speaker 1: I'll speak to Senator Canavan shortly about why exactly he
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Speaker 1: is mounting a challenge, and I can tell you he
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Speaker 1: has put out a statement today which is rather long,
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Speaker 1: but it really shows that he's been thinking about this,
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Speaker 1: I believe for some time. Also coming up tonight on
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Speaker 1: the politics. What will this labor majority mean for the
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Speaker 1: taxpayers of Australia, including another attack of course on superannuation
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Speaker 1: taxing assets deemed to have made a profit but you
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Speaker 1: haven't even sold or cashed in. Adam Crayton from The
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Speaker 1: Australian and the IPA will join me as well. After
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Speaker 1: the over eight reaction, we will get a new reaction
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Speaker 1: to the new Pope, leader of the Catholic Church, to
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Speaker 1: be known as Pope Leo, surprisingly an American who speaks
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Speaker 1: five languages. From here, we on the line from Rome
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Speaker 1: will talk to Colm Flynn, backing correspondent for Catholic News,
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Speaker 1: and I'll change at the top of two of Australia's
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Speaker 1: biggest police forces. In New South Wales, I think it's
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Speaker 1: important to look at Karen Webb, the New South Wales
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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner, is going to step down later this year,
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Speaker 1: while in Victoria, a key we Mike Bush will take
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Speaker 1: over running police in a state that is stuck in
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Speaker 1: a team crime crisis. Former Detective Charlie Bazina will be
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Speaker 1: in the studio with me. I'll get to that dreadful
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Speaker 1: Adam band in just a moment. But we are looking
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Speaker 1: at a leadership lotto now in the fallout from Labour's
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Speaker 1: win last Saturday, with the shock announcement this afternoon that
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Speaker 1: the Nationals leader David little Proud will face a challenge
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Speaker 1: from at the Nats party meeting set down for Monday
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Speaker 1: from Matt Canavan, already rocked by the decision from Senator
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Speaker 1: just sent an Amper Jimper Price to jump ship to
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Speaker 1: the Liberals in what might end up being a joint
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Speaker 1: ticket with Angus Taylor. News out of Queensland that Canavan
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Speaker 1: will take on his leader and vows to use climate
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Speaker 1: policy as his reason for standing came as a shock
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Speaker 1: to most people. Compared to the Libs. Little Proud's Nationals
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Speaker 1: I thought had a pretty good campaign a pretty good
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Speaker 1: election result, But Matt Canavan believes the coalition needs to
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Speaker 1: be a stronger alternative on things like net zero and
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Speaker 1: nuclear As I mentioned, he will join me shortly now.
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Speaker 1: The typical ungracious losers speech from that Greens leader x
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Speaker 1: Adam Bant in Melbourne yesterday, I couldn't believe what I
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Speaker 1: was watching. What a dreadful man he is, showing the
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Speaker 1: typical inability of the left to concede that they lost
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Speaker 1: something bent Bent spent twenty minutes blaming everyone but himself
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Speaker 1: as Labor voters kicked him out of a seat he
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Speaker 1: has held since twenty ten. Aw bizarly, He even suggested
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Speaker 1: that people who had previously voted for him instead voted
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Speaker 1: for the Labor Party to deny Peter Dutton a win.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how twisted is this bloke's logic? Dutton, who
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Speaker 1: has managed are fairly been fairly quiet since Saturday, immediately
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Speaker 1: hit back with this comment, No spin from Bant can
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Speaker 1: change the reality that he and other Greens lost their
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Speaker 1: seats because of that appalling treatment of the Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: He said, people were disgusted at their behavior, and they were.
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Speaker 1: Bant took the Greens down a radicalized, dangerous and turning
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Speaker 1: his back on core interests like trees in the environment.
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Speaker 1: He instead helped stoke hatred. He was no Bob Brown,
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Speaker 1: never was not even close. He held a seat that
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Speaker 1: included places like North Fitzroy and Collingwood and Habitsman. He was
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Speaker 1: an inner city green activist, not an environmentalist. Respected Melbourne
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Speaker 1: Rabbi Daniel Ravens said Bant had been a source of
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Speaker 1: deep pain, adding quote, while we were grieving twelve hundred
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Speaker 1: lives lost, including babies burned, women brutalized and families hunted down. You,
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Speaker 1: as in band, chose that day to accuse Israel of genocide.
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Speaker 1: He added quote, while Jewish Australians felt afraid and alone,
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Speaker 1: you stood silent or spoken ways that made us feel erased.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty hard to argue that assessment. So Bant's gone.
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Speaker 1: The Greens have lost three or four Lower House seats,
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Speaker 1: but sadly they still have numbers in the Senate to
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Speaker 1: push through Labour's agenda. The one thing newly confident Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Albaneze he could do is try and avoid using them.
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Speaker 1: If he does so at his own peril. No one
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Speaker 1: wants the stain of the Greens on this ev We'll
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Speaker 1: have Matt Canavan coming up shortly now. Following on from that,
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Speaker 1: like it or not, we're going to have a Labor
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Speaker 1: government for a minimum of three years, probably six. Labor's
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Speaker 1: the only game in town, with the Liberals well and
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Speaker 1: truly left licking their wounds after Saturday. There has been
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Speaker 1: pointed out today by the Australian contributor Adam Crichton, who
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Speaker 1: has even gone as far to say that when it
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Speaker 1: comes to tax policy, perhaps the next three years of
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Speaker 1: labor won't be so bad. I wonder how that's gone down.
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Speaker 1: Adam Crichton joins us in the studio. You decided to
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Speaker 1: put yourself out on a limb. Mat Well, Look, I don't.
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Speaker 3: Think I trained that heading. Actually that was a subeditor. Look,
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Speaker 3: I was trying to look on the bright side of things.
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Speaker 3: But as you say, we have labor now for six years,
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Speaker 3: they are the only game in town, and there's been
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Speaker 3: a lot of understandable upset on the conservative side of politics.
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Speaker 3: But I just don't think that knee jerk adversarialism against
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Speaker 3: labor for the next three six years is really going
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Speaker 3: to help the country. We need to try to work
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Speaker 3: with them and try to convince them to do the
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Speaker 3: right thing. And you mentioned earlier the taxes on superinnovation.
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Speaker 3: It's a dreadful and I'm certainly not supporting that in
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Speaker 3: any case. But as you pointed out in the Senate,
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Speaker 3: why not the liberals negotiate to make that tax less
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Speaker 3: bad than have labor, you know, basically pass it with
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Speaker 3: the Greens, which you know, which could mean the thresholds
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Speaker 3: lowered from three to two million, which will be a disasters.
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Speaker 1: I'll get back to that. As an economist, how disappointed
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Speaker 1: are you that there's no brave economic reform and particularly
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Speaker 1: of the tex system.
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Speaker 3: Well, extremely upset because you know, this is something the
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Speaker 3: Labor Party did in the nineteen eighties.
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Speaker 4: You know, they lowered the top marginal rate of tax.
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Speaker 3: I mean I noticed that I noted in that column
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Speaker 3: today that Paul Keating repeatedly says, and he's you know,
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Speaker 3: he's one hundred percent right on this, that a top
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Speaker 3: marginal rate above forty percent is completely confiscatory, as he says,
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Speaker 3: and it massively retards economic growth and innovation and saving
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Speaker 3: an effort. So hopefully, you know, one of his prototees,
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Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers, might actually listen to that advice.
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Speaker 1: There's no business tax reform.
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Speaker 4: Either, No, it's absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: Companies are just going to lead.
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Speaker 3: And the thing is, you know, one of the good
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Speaker 3: things is they have a huge majority. They can do
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Speaker 3: things that their base won't like.
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Speaker 4: Right. I guess they know they're going to lose some seats.
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Speaker 1: And the great point you make is, I mean the
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Speaker 1: Greens might not take it off in the Senate, but
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Speaker 1: the Liberals.
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Speaker 3: Good, Yeah, that's right, And Also, you know, if you
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Speaker 3: look around the world at different you know, different western countries,
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Speaker 3: is actually easier for parties of the left to do
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Speaker 3: serious tax reform than the right. When the right tries
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Speaker 3: to do it, they get attacked from the left, whereas
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Speaker 3: when the left does it, the right will agree. So
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Speaker 3: it's much easier to do it. So they do have
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Speaker 3: an opportunity to do sensible things. Of course they need
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Speaker 3: to rain in spending though as well. That's a huge problem.
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Speaker 3: But you know, we have to hope. I mean, Chalmers
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Speaker 3: has said that he wants a productivity agenda in the
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Speaker 3: second term, and maybe something will come of this. They
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Speaker 3: had a tiny majority first time around.
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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll see some good stuff this time. We have
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Speaker 4: to hope.
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Speaker 1: We have to be optimistic on these superannuation changes. The
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Speaker 1: Coalition didn't make enough of it during the election campaign.
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Speaker 1: It was an easy change to really strongly argue against,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of our audience probably would not realize it.
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Speaker 1: But what they're trying to do here is you'll have
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Speaker 1: to report to the tax office at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the year and at the end of the year what
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Speaker 1: your superannuation has done, and if your superannuation has nominally
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Speaker 1: gone up, and everyone hopes their superannuation does go up.
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Speaker 1: Everything that goes up over a three million dollar level
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Speaker 1: will be the tax on that will be double.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that is exactly right.
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Speaker 1: So AS's got gold or whatever.
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Speaker 3: I mean wealth taxes, you know, this is the beginnings
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Speaker 3: of a wealth tax, basically starting off in superinnovation that
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Speaker 3: may spread elsewhere later.
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Speaker 4: You know, the history of these taxes around the world
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Speaker 4: is really bad. They don't work, they're extremely.
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Speaker 3: Abide and we tried it, didn't he yes, that's right,
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Speaker 3: he tried and actually normally tried it. They introduced a
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Speaker 3: wealth tax and then they had to repeal it because
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Speaker 3: so much wealth left the country.
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Speaker 4: So, you know, the very bad idea.
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Speaker 3: But also with this particular tax, you know, rather than
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Speaker 3: putting money in super more money, we'll go into housing
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Speaker 3: and house prices will go up even more. So you know,
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Speaker 3: it's a disastrous idea. But you know, this gets back
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Speaker 3: to the liberals. Maybe they can convince labor to the
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Speaker 3: unrealized component of it, the capital gains unrealized component. That
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Speaker 3: would make it a less bad tax, and that would
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Speaker 3: be a better situation than if they negotiate with you.
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Speaker 1: Because most people. Anybody who had more than three million
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Speaker 1: dollars in superannuation, you would think they'd have a pretty
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Speaker 1: good financial advisor. There'd be financial advisors, I presume adam
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Speaker 1: around the country now working out how to move their
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Speaker 1: assets around so that you don't get captured by this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not just financial advisors will benefit, but also bureaucrats
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Speaker 3: will benefit because there need to be lots more to
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Speaker 3: implement the tax. I mean, a good tax is a
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Speaker 3: simple tax and a clear tax, and this is not
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Speaker 3: that right. There's going to be all sorts of arguments
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Speaker 3: of the evaluations at which date then and there, you know,
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Speaker 3: when was it realized, et cetera.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a really very bad idea.
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Speaker 3: If they want to raise money, and I don't want
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Speaker 3: them to raise money, but if they really do want
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Speaker 3: to raise money, they can do it elsewhere. You know,
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Speaker 3: they could lift the GST or something and then they
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Speaker 3: could do some tax reform with that.
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Speaker 4: This is a very bad idea.
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Speaker 1: Brave tax reform. I'm going to go to Rome in
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Speaker 1: a set. Just want to quickly ask you Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 3: You know him well, yes, friend, have him for fifteen
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Speaker 3: years and he has a very fine economic mind, and
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Speaker 3: he's a good retail politician. I mean, of course i'm
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Speaker 3: by as he's a friend of mine, but I do
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Speaker 3: think that he's the future of the National Party. You know,
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Speaker 3: he's a young guy. He's my age.
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Speaker 4: Young I have to steal young maybe, and you know,
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Speaker 4: I really hope he gets it, you know, I think
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Speaker 4: it'd be great.
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Speaker 1: Good on you, Adam. Thanks, great to see. Thanks Adam Crichton.
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Speaker 1: Make sure he read that column in the Australian. Let's
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Speaker 1: head over to Rome, as I said, where the biggest
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Speaker 1: story of the day is obviously the election of a
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Speaker 1: new pope. I can believe it when I woke up
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Speaker 1: in Australia this morning. Robert Prevost from Chicago, he is
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Speaker 1: the first pope born in the United States, joining us
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Speaker 1: on the line from Rome, and I've so enjoyed his
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Speaker 1: commentary during the last week or so. Colin Flynn joins
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Speaker 1: us from the Vatican. Were you shocked when you saw
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Speaker 1: who it was, Cole.
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Speaker 5: Steve, Yeah, A very good morning from Rome.
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Speaker 1: Good evening to you.
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Speaker 5: I think no one expected an American because the feeling was, well, look,
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Speaker 5: they are the superpower in the world when it comes
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Speaker 5: to geopolitics, when it comes to capitalism, when it comes
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Speaker 5: to the entertainment industry, you name it what you want
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Speaker 5: to control.
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Speaker 4: The Catholic as well.
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Speaker 5: But I was told beforehand by someone that look, if
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Speaker 5: one of the Americans is going to get it, it
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Speaker 5: would be Cardinal Robert Prevos, because he, they said, was
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Speaker 5: the least American of all the Americans. He spent a
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Speaker 5: third of his life in Peru working in the missions
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Speaker 5: there in Latin America. He also had a great job
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Speaker 5: here in one of the dicastris, so he had proven
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Speaker 5: himself as not only a pastor but an administrasure.
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Speaker 1: But I was here in the square.
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Speaker 5: I was actually had my back to Saint Peter's Basilica
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Speaker 5: when all of a sudden I heard that that roar
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Speaker 5: that you would hear in a football stadium when your
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Speaker 5: team takes the winning goal, and it just rattled the buildings.
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Speaker 5: You could see. Suddenly everybody ran towards the Basilica when
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Speaker 5: they saw the white smoke. And then we waited. We
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Speaker 5: waited for around an hour when they came out and
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Speaker 5: they announced that it was an American from Chicago. Jewel's citizenship.
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Speaker 5: Of course, there was an American priest beside me and
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Speaker 5: his jaw dropped.
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Speaker 1: I bet the other Joe that dropped at that moment also,
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Speaker 1: I was you, as President Donald Trump, he we would
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Speaker 1: have been thinking to himself, how good is this? So
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Speaker 1: I've got Beck in the White House and now we've
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Speaker 1: got to pipe in the Vatican.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what Donald Trump said when he was asked
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Speaker 5: about it. He said, Look, this is a great honor
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Speaker 5: for the United States. And we all know that joke
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Speaker 5: in poor taste, perhaps Donald Trump tweeting out the image
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Speaker 5: of him as Pope the Ai image. But I think
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Speaker 5: this is going to be a fantastic thing for the
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Speaker 5: church because you know, in the pre conclave meeting Steve
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Speaker 5: before they went into the Sistine Chapel, they talked about
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Speaker 5: the themes and the issues that they wanted to prevail
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Speaker 5: from these votes, the things that candidate should embody, and
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Speaker 5: the one thing that kept coming up again and again
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Speaker 5: was unity. And Steve when you saw him come to
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Speaker 5: the balcony and when he made his speech, he touched
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Speaker 5: on many of the key theme issues that were priorities
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Speaker 5: of Pope Francis. So he mentioned the environment, he mentioned
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Speaker 5: being close to those and the peripheries, and when he
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Speaker 5: came out. The first thing he said was in the
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Speaker 5: words of the risen Christ peace I give to you all,
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Speaker 5: peace be with you, a big thing of Pope Francis
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Speaker 5: always pushing for around the world. But look at what
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Speaker 5: he was wearing, Steve, Because the speech may have spoken
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Speaker 5: to the more left progressive side of the Catholic Church.
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Speaker 5: But remember Pope Francis refused the word the traditional papal garments.
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Speaker 5: He kept it simple and white. But here we hired
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Speaker 5: Cardinal Leo the fourteenth wearing some of the traditional red
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Speaker 5: papal attire that was sending a message to the more
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Speaker 5: conservative traditional side of the Catholic Church being, Look, I
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Speaker 5: will be a pope for you, and I will be
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Speaker 5: a pope for everybody. I want to be a unifier.
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Speaker 5: And as someone said to me yesterday, what we could
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Speaker 5: hope for this is maybe, even after Pope Francis being
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Speaker 5: such a disruptor, perhaps a more quiet papacy.
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Speaker 1: Cob, you've done great work over there this week. Thank
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Speaker 1: you very much for joining us. From a sunny rhyme,
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Speaker 1: I've got to go strike to met kenneven now news
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Speaker 1: this afternoon, of course, that he has now set to
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Speaker 1: challenge David Little pred this meeting will take place on Monday.
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Speaker 1: The leadership challenge in the Liberal Party will take place
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Met Kennavan joins us, Now, why have you
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Speaker 1: decided to put your hand up? We'll Steve.
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Speaker 6: I think we've got a fight. I think I'm a fighter.
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Speaker 6: I've always taken politics up. Are pretty hard and we're
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Speaker 6: not going to have a fighting chance unless we put
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Speaker 6: up a fight. I felt over the last few years
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Speaker 6: the Nationals part in particular, but both with us, the
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Speaker 6: Liberals and the Nationals, we've just turned the volume down
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Speaker 6: too much for some of the causes that we need
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Speaker 6: to fight for. You know, the biggest disappointment about the
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Speaker 6: election results for me is not our stunted ambition. It's
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Speaker 6: the West Australian sheep grazeres and all their workers that
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Speaker 6: work for them. The shearers, the fencing contractors, the truck drivers,
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Speaker 6: all of them now are facing economic ruin because we've
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Speaker 6: got a for the first time in our history, we
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Speaker 6: have a government's decided to shut down an entire industry
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Speaker 6: in the live of sheep trade. We just passed the
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Speaker 6: bill last year. Your nation's parliament just says, bang, you're
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Speaker 6: out of work. That's it, and I find that disgusting
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Speaker 6: and I don't think it's an appropriate use of power.
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Speaker 6: We try to fight against that. We're hoping if we won,
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Speaker 6: we would overturn that. But we didn't really talk about
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Speaker 6: the West Australian farmers during the election. We didn't talk
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Speaker 6: about a billion dollar gold mine that this government has
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Speaker 6: said no to because of a mythical story about a
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Speaker 6: mythical bee. I mean absurd as that, but that's what
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Speaker 6: we're up to in our country. And I think their
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Speaker 6: record shows that when we do fight, when the National's
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Speaker 6: Party is not shy, it's not gun shy from having
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Speaker 6: its views heard, we actually do pretty well. Did pretty well.
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Speaker 6: So let's go back to that success. And as I say,
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Speaker 6: with my record on a DARNI on delivering in Central
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Speaker 6: Queensland political results, I think it's the best way forward
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Speaker 6: for our party.
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Speaker 1: Reading what you've put up online as to why you
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Speaker 1: want to do this, I can tell that you've been
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Speaker 1: thinking about it for some time. This is not just
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Speaker 1: some snap decision. I suspect you were probably always thinking
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Speaker 1: of doing this. If the result was like it was
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Speaker 1: last Saturday, how disappointed were you in the way the
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Speaker 1: coalition campaign was run. I mean, you make the point
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Speaker 1: about that gold mine being shut down. Not one politician
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Speaker 1: even visited there and did a stand up in front
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Speaker 1: of it.
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Speaker 6: Look, I just to correct you. Look, I wasn't expecting
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Speaker 6: to do this. I have thought about these issues very deeply, Steve.
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Speaker 6: I feel deeply the lack of representation that many Australians have.
18:28
Speaker 6: The soclell quite Australians, they've said in that piece. You know,
18:32
Speaker 6: many of the people that vote for the Nationals Party
18:35
Speaker 6: have to shower after work. They work demanding jobs, physically
18:38
Speaker 6: tiring jobs, sometimes dirty jobs, and they're the kind of
18:42
Speaker 6: people they don't necessarily get a lot of reward and
18:44
Speaker 6: a lot of big pay. They don't have the time
18:47
Speaker 6: to get involved the political process, and very often their
18:49
Speaker 6: views are ignored, certainly on the lights of the ABC
18:51
Speaker 6: and other media. They're just just overlooked. And that's why
18:56
Speaker 6: I think you've got this growing frustration out there in society.
18:58
Speaker 6: You've got the record minor party at the election because
19:02
Speaker 6: I just don't see any representation of their real lives
19:05
Speaker 6: in the political process. But look, I was hoping someone
19:08
Speaker 6: else might stand. I realized I'm a senator, so It's
19:10
Speaker 6: unconventional for the Nationalist Party to have a Senate leader,
19:13
Speaker 6: but other parties have done that, and I think as
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Speaker 6: a senator I could get around the whole country and
19:19
Speaker 6: help us get back to a competitive position politically. So
19:23
Speaker 6: I haven't I didn't really expect to do this, but
19:25
Speaker 6: I have been thinking about what we need to do
19:27
Speaker 6: and where we position ourselves as a party and how
19:30
Speaker 6: we deliver for our people for a for a long
19:32
Speaker 6: long time. In terms of the results of of course,
19:34
Speaker 6: I show I was incredibly disappointed. I was frustrated during
19:38
Speaker 6: the campaign and it's no secret, Steve, I've used my
19:44
Speaker 6: writer as a backbench in the last few years to
19:46
Speaker 6: point out where I think we had made poor decisions.
19:49
Speaker 6: I'd never thought we should have signed up the netzer
19:50
Speaker 6: emissions by twenty fifty. It's a unachievable goal. It's now
19:53
Speaker 6: a futile goal because of the election of Donald Trump.
19:56
Speaker 6: And we always knew China and India don't do anything,
19:58
Speaker 6: and so it was ridiculous over countries that represent overhalf
20:02
Speaker 6: the world's missions and now not even doing the net
20:04
Speaker 6: zero whole thing, and we still are going down that track.
20:07
Speaker 6: All it does is make life harder for austrains with
20:10
Speaker 6: higher energy costs, higher cost of everything, and it's putting
20:13
Speaker 6: people out of work. I mean already, just in this
20:16
Speaker 6: first term stave of the Albneasa government, we have lost
20:20
Speaker 6: a urea industry. Urea is the most important fertilizer, so
20:23
Speaker 6: it can't grow food at the moment on our own back.
20:25
Speaker 6: They have to import that now from China. In the least,
20:27
Speaker 6: we've lost our plastics industry, so it can't make things
20:30
Speaker 6: like water ring tanks, polypipe, also very important for farming.
20:33
Speaker 6: And we've lost our nickel industry because Indonesia that doesn't care,
20:37
Speaker 6: it builds colid bi powerstations. We tried to make nickel
20:40
Speaker 6: with green energy and it was massively expensive and we
20:42
Speaker 6: lost ten thousand jobs. And so I'm just I'm very worried.
20:46
Speaker 6: If we don't stop that rot, if we continue to
20:49
Speaker 6: go down this path blindly, we're going to lose a
20:51
Speaker 6: whole lot more manufacturing. We're going to lose a whole
20:53
Speaker 6: lot more wealth in our country, and we will keep
20:54
Speaker 6: bequeath a nation to our children much much poorer than
20:58
Speaker 6: we inherited. That would be the first time that would
21:01
Speaker 6: ever happen in Australian history and it'd be a great
21:03
Speaker 6: indictment on our record if we don't change that.
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Speaker 1: Got to go to a break. But just finally you're channeling.
21:11
Speaker 1: You're in a petty castello. You think we all need
21:13
Speaker 1: to add more babies.
21:15
Speaker 6: Also thought that for a long time too. I've done
21:17
Speaker 6: my job today. My wife actually sorry so that my
21:20
Speaker 6: wife has done that job. Five did we love them?
21:23
Speaker 7: They're great?
21:24
Speaker 6: And it's Mother's Day on the weekend. Happy Mother's Day
21:27
Speaker 6: to all the mums. And I just yeah, look, it's
21:30
Speaker 6: a die die of prediction for us to our country
21:33
Speaker 6: if we can't let their birth rate from one point
21:34
Speaker 6: five babies per woman. It's gotten lower than I thought
21:38
Speaker 6: it would. And just you know, without going through all
21:41
Speaker 6: the technical maps here, if we continue at that rate,
21:44
Speaker 6: for every hundred Australians A love today, you'll have just
21:46
Speaker 6: forty great grandchildren. It happens that quickly. We go from
21:49
Speaker 6: twenty seven million to eleven million in three generations. It's
21:53
Speaker 6: very hard to change once it's there. So I think
21:56
Speaker 6: we need to take immediate action now to support families,
21:59
Speaker 6: to help help people care for their young children. Have
22:03
Speaker 6: always championed the idea of income spitting treats families like
22:06
Speaker 6: a team and helps reduce tax for those families that
22:08
Speaker 6: need one spouse to go out of the workforce to
22:11
Speaker 6: look after their child. Things like that is what we
22:13
Speaker 6: need to encourage more babies, encourage families and are the
22:16
Speaker 6: growth thing in life. Grossing of life as a baby,
22:18
Speaker 6: of setting the piece that they do growing a teenagers.
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Speaker 6: That's a bit of a bugger.
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Speaker 1: Good on your good luck on Monday. I'm sure we'll
22:26
Speaker 1: talk again soon. That's Matt Canavan. He'll challenge David Little
22:28
Speaker 1: Proud on Monday after the break speaking of our farmers.
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Speaker 1: The farmers of Victoria are most upset about a new
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Speaker 1: tax from the Allen Labor government and they were out
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Speaker 1: in big protests. Today us will catch up with Campbell Newman.
22:42
Speaker 1: He'll join us to discuss the tussle for both the
22:44
Speaker 1: leaderships Liberal and Nationals. Welcome back to Steve Price with you.
22:51
Speaker 1: Great to have Matt Canavan on. We'll talk to Campbell
22:54
Speaker 1: Newman about the state of playing Queensland. Shortly we'll speaking
22:57
Speaker 1: of farmers as I was there with Matt, the Victoria
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Speaker 1: farmers and you can't blame them, and you've got a
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Speaker 1: Victorian Labor government that's about to impose a brand new
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Speaker 1: tax on farmers when farmers in western Victoria in the
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Speaker 1: middle of a drought. This is all to do with
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Speaker 1: the rural fire services tax and charge. Now a large
23:15
Speaker 1: convoy of rural trucks descended on Spring Street in central
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Speaker 1: Melbourne today as well as at Jacina Allen's office in Bendigo.
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Speaker 1: The showing is in reaction, as I said, to this
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Speaker 1: legislation that would impose a hike in emergency service taxes
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Speaker 1: that some farmers say will send them bro joining me now.
23:34
Speaker 1: One of the farmers involved today, I think he dropped
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Speaker 1: the truck off at Jacinta Allen's office in Bendigo is
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Speaker 1: Ben Ducks. And Ben, thanks for your time. Explain how
23:45
Speaker 1: tough this tax is going to be for your average
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Speaker 1: broad acre farmer.
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Speaker 7: The ole thing of it's wrong. We can't put up
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Speaker 7: with this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 8: We've been backed into a corner with a decenter tax
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Speaker 8: and this this money is about going back down to Melbourne.
24:03
Speaker 8: It's not about going into the regions or anything like that.
24:06
Speaker 8: It's about taking the money down down to Melbourne and
24:09
Speaker 8: it's for their fiscal irresponsibility. They can't handle money, and
24:14
Speaker 8: they want to tax every farmer out there, and you
24:16
Speaker 8: know we're backed into a corner, Steve.
24:18
Speaker 7: We can't take this lying down.
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Speaker 8: It's a massive amount of money that will be taken
24:23
Speaker 8: out of the regions and will be regional towns and
24:26
Speaker 8: regional small business and free enterprise.
24:29
Speaker 7: So yeah, we won't take this lying down.
24:32
Speaker 8: As you can see from the footage from Melbourne and Bendigo,
24:35
Speaker 8: farmers are just just about to start uprising and we'll
24:40
Speaker 8: be back bigger and better when they try and do more.
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Speaker 1: Ben How dishonest is it of this Allen Labor government
24:48
Speaker 1: to tie this to the idea for city people that
24:52
Speaker 1: this money is going to go to, you know, emergency
24:55
Speaker 1: services like to see.
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Speaker 7: If that's the whole trickery of it, Steve.
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Speaker 8: They make it out as though it's all money for
25:04
Speaker 8: emergency services and not it's it's money for the for
25:07
Speaker 8: them to try and keep propping up their state. They
25:10
Speaker 8: cannot handle money, this government. They do not know how
25:13
Speaker 8: to handle money, and they come for what we've got
25:15
Speaker 8: out here in Victoria and then their.
25:17
Speaker 7: Regions, you know, come out to our regions and.
25:20
Speaker 8: See fix our roads, get us some rural doctors and
25:23
Speaker 8: some support in teaching and all that sort of stuff
25:27
Speaker 8: like this is all about a money grab for the
25:31
Speaker 8: people in downtown because just Center Allen can't handle money
25:35
Speaker 8: and she's toxic out here and she's she's a Bendigoes parliamentarian.
25:40
Speaker 8: This is out in the regions and she's toxic out
25:43
Speaker 8: in this area and we're not putting up with it.
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Speaker 7: We will stand up for ourselves and we'll keep fighting.
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Speaker 1: How bad is the drought where you are been?
25:53
Speaker 8: No, No, it's we've had good, good years before this one,
25:56
Speaker 8: Steve so dry enough. But the thing about farmers is
26:02
Speaker 8: they're quite resilient and we'll take one or two on
26:04
Speaker 8: the chin and that sort of stuff.
26:05
Speaker 7: And we love farming, we love where we live and
26:08
Speaker 7: all that sort of stuff.
26:09
Speaker 8: So we just want to be left alone to farm
26:12
Speaker 8: and produce the food for Australia without the red tape
26:16
Speaker 8: and the green tape coming into us. And it seems
26:18
Speaker 8: to be never ending at the moment from the Justina
26:21
Speaker 8: Allen government and the federal government as well. And as
26:26
Speaker 8: you saw today Dan in Melbourne, people will stand up fromselves.
26:30
Speaker 8: Rural people are quite resilient, but we will not be
26:33
Speaker 8: boxed into a corner and not come out swinging. So
26:36
Speaker 8: today is part of our industrial action. We'll take it
26:40
Speaker 8: further if they think they can try and bring this
26:42
Speaker 8: in on Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: Ben, good luck to you, good more power to your arm.
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Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye out for the next protest. Thanks
26:51
Speaker 1: for joining us, Ben duckson there. Now let's get back
26:53
Speaker 1: to federal politics and the battle for the Liberal leadership
26:56
Speaker 1: we know is heating up. Susan Ly will officially throw
26:59
Speaker 1: her has officially thrown her hat into the ring. Dan
27:02
Speaker 1: Tine from Western Victoria's bowed out and there's been an
27:06
Speaker 1: announcement of course that you Senta Nampa. Jimper Price has
27:09
Speaker 1: defected from the Nationals to the Liberals. Some spe expectation
27:15
Speaker 1: she will run as a deputy with Angus Taylor. Now
27:18
Speaker 1: the Nationals are not happy with her decision to defect,
27:22
Speaker 1: and we spoke to Matt Canavan before about his challenge
27:25
Speaker 1: to David Little Proud that it will happen on Monday.
27:27
Speaker 1: It's happening all around the place and you're not surprised
27:30
Speaker 1: because of the scale of the loss on the weekend.
27:34
Speaker 1: Joining me now, our Friday regular from m Queensland Premier
27:37
Speaker 1: Campbell Newman. Where do we start, camb Let's start with
27:39
Speaker 1: Matt Canavan. What do you make of him suddenly deciding
27:44
Speaker 1: today and he said he's only just made the decision
27:46
Speaker 1: to take on the challenge of trying to lead the NATS.
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Speaker 9: Fantastic, Steve, absolutely fantastic. I hope he gets up, and
27:58
Speaker 9: I should say I hope me backing him isn't a
28:02
Speaker 9: kiss of death or anything like that, because look, Matt
28:04
Speaker 9: Canavan is so articulate, is so focused, so determined. He
28:09
Speaker 9: has over the last few years demonstrated time and time
28:13
Speaker 9: again that he can effectively prosecute the issues of concern,
28:19
Speaker 9: particularly to people in rural and regional Australia. So I'm sorry,
28:24
Speaker 9: David Little Proud, but he does a much better job
28:27
Speaker 9: than you've been able to do in the same period.
28:30
Speaker 9: And I hope he gets up because I think he
28:33
Speaker 9: will be terrific and the National Party need to have
28:38
Speaker 9: their own particular voice.
28:42
Speaker 1: He's released a statement online. I urge everybody to have
28:45
Speaker 1: a look at it because what he's done is he's
28:47
Speaker 1: nailed in about twenty paragraphs what the coalition, both the
28:52
Speaker 1: NATS and the Liberal Party Campbell should have been arguing
28:55
Speaker 1: about during the election campaign, they wouldn't see themselves in
28:58
Speaker 1: the position they are in right now. He talks about
29:00
Speaker 1: the film. He's closing down and he's dead gold minds
29:03
Speaker 1: and you know, trashing live sheep experts. I mean, why
29:08
Speaker 1: weren't they doing that? Well, that's the extraordinary thing about it.
29:13
Speaker 9: And you know, by the way, just looking at the
29:15
Speaker 9: result in Queensland, you know that the primary vote was
29:20
Speaker 9: thirty five percent. The primary vote was thirty five percent.
29:24
Speaker 9: Now that plumbs the depths, if you like, of the
29:28
Speaker 9: whole situation, and it demonstrates the rusted on LNP vote
29:32
Speaker 9: in this state. The worst results in state elections sort
29:37
Speaker 9: of twenty seventeen, I think it was about thirty three,
29:40
Speaker 9: thirty four, and then in twenty twenty it was about
29:42
Speaker 9: thirty five again, so that shows you how low it
29:47
Speaker 9: can possibly go, and it should have a fore in
29:49
Speaker 9: front of it, so you know, something has to happen.
29:52
Speaker 5: And I just think.
29:53
Speaker 9: Canavan is just such an effective voice and such a relentless,
29:58
Speaker 9: determined hard worker.
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Speaker 4: So I hope he gets up.
30:04
Speaker 1: How surprised were you Saturday night when Dixon fell?
30:09
Speaker 9: I was surprised viewers of this program would know that.
30:12
Speaker 9: I felt that Peter Dutton would hang in there. I've
30:16
Speaker 9: been searching for what may have caused that, and I
30:19
Speaker 9: think one of the probably the biggest explanations was, well,
30:22
Speaker 9: there's two parts to it. One just the relentless character
30:25
Speaker 9: demolition by the Labor Party. That was very effective, and
30:30
Speaker 9: we talked about that. But I think the other factor
30:32
Speaker 9: might have been the local thing. Was that the way
30:35
Speaker 9: that the Labor Party said, well, while the cyclone was
30:37
Speaker 9: bearing down on Southeast Queensland, he went for a fundraiser
30:41
Speaker 9: in Sydney. I hadn't really taken as much attention of
30:44
Speaker 9: that as I perhaps should have, but I think on
30:47
Speaker 9: the ground it sounds like that had some real bite.
30:50
Speaker 9: And I'm really sorry because Peter Dutton is a terrific
30:54
Speaker 9: blake and he's going to wear a lot of the
30:58
Speaker 9: al most of the criticism going forward, and you know,
31:02
Speaker 9: there are plenty of other people who need to take
31:04
Speaker 9: responsibility for what's just happened.
31:08
Speaker 1: Brisbane voters did the right thing by us. I ran
31:11
Speaker 1: a couple of Greens out of town, which is all
31:13
Speaker 1: good news for everybody.
31:14
Speaker 7: There was a yeah, well that's another one.
31:17
Speaker 9: I sort of got wrong a bit Steve, I think,
31:19
Speaker 9: just to recap, I think I predicted to you that
31:23
Speaker 9: the Brisbane would go to Labor or perhaps the LNP,
31:26
Speaker 9: but it went to Labor, which tick Altuck claim that one.
31:30
Speaker 9: I felt that Max Chandler may that would hang in there,
31:33
Speaker 9: but it was great to see him gone because he
31:36
Speaker 9: had probably some of the most dangerous and seductive policy ideas,
31:40
Speaker 9: particularly for our young people, repackaging old discredited policy as new,
31:46
Speaker 9: wonderful stuff in new bottles. And Elizabeth Watson Brown is
31:51
Speaker 9: the great surprise that what I really thought the LNP
31:55
Speaker 9: would reclaim. So I can only claim one out of three, really, Steve,
32:02
Speaker 9: Susan Lee wants to lead the Liberal Party.
32:04
Speaker 1: She'll go up against Angus Taylor. Here's Susan Lee saying
32:08
Speaker 1: why she should get the job.
32:11
Speaker 6: I've listened, we got it wrong.
32:13
Speaker 10: We need to do things differently going forward, and we
32:17
Speaker 10: do need a fresh approach.
32:20
Speaker 1: But do you reckon wins that contest? Gee? I don't know, Steve.
32:25
Speaker 9: I don't really know the dynamics of the party, and
32:28
Speaker 9: I guess I felt that Angus Taylor didn't play a
32:32
Speaker 9: big enough role in the campaign, and particularly that you'd
32:36
Speaker 9: expect someone like the treasure to really be going relentlessly
32:40
Speaker 9: after sorry, the shadow treasure going relentlessly after Jim Chalmers
32:44
Speaker 9: as the Treasurer. So I wasn't really impressed with that.
32:47
Speaker 9: But with Susan Lay, I've got a personal ax to grind.
32:50
Speaker 9: My government had a high value agricultural project on Cape
32:54
Speaker 9: York that was to provide jobs and economic opportunity for
32:57
Speaker 9: Aboriginal people, and as federal members Minister for Environment and
33:01
Speaker 9: a coalition government in the last ten years, she listened
33:05
Speaker 9: to the bureaucrats in Canberra and scotched it on environmental grounds.
33:10
Speaker 9: And I mean, you know, if we want to run
33:12
Speaker 9: Aboriginal communities in remote areas as just sort of disadvantaged
33:17
Speaker 9: welfare communities, will go right ahead, Susan, And she's never
33:21
Speaker 9: had the guts to pick up the phone and talk
33:24
Speaker 9: to me about that and explain herself. I also point
33:27
Speaker 9: out that she's the person and caught out wraughting parliamentary
33:31
Speaker 9: entitlements and I think that's a terrible look for someone
33:34
Speaker 9: who wants to lead the parliamentary party.
33:39
Speaker 1: I think the Coalition federally survives.
33:45
Speaker 7: Oh absolutely.
33:45
Speaker 9: I think one of the sayest of course voices on
33:48
Speaker 9: the whole thing is Peter Kredlin, who is really very
33:53
Speaker 9: very astutely sort of dissected what went wrong and I
33:58
Speaker 9: agree totally with her analysis from almost immediately after the election.
34:03
Speaker 9: And people shouldn't lose their heads about this. You know,
34:07
Speaker 9: these sorts of things happen in politics. The thing is
34:09
Speaker 9: to get down, listen to what the voters have said, recap.
34:15
Speaker 1: Lick your wounds, come up with What really.
34:18
Speaker 9: Needs to happen is they need to go back to
34:19
Speaker 9: the values of the Liberal Party. What are those values
34:24
Speaker 9: and it's small government, private enterprise, the primacy of the family.
34:29
Speaker 9: Out of that must come a vision for Australia and
34:32
Speaker 9: then a completely coherent plan and out of that drops
34:37
Speaker 9: policies and announceables in an election campaign. But they need
34:41
Speaker 9: to get back to that, agree that have the plan
34:45
Speaker 9: and get on and start to sell it over the
34:48
Speaker 9: coming years.
34:51
Speaker 1: Good on, new Campbell. I'll talk to you next Friday night,
34:53
Speaker 1: Campbell Newman. There Now after the break, I'll speak to
34:56
Speaker 1: from a homicide squad detective Charlie Zina about two high
35:00
Speaker 1: profile police appointments and what if any chance they might
35:05
Speaker 1: have of bringing crime under control. Plus a radical left
35:08
Speaker 1: wing activists are out today protesting. Can you believe this
35:13
Speaker 1: to defund the police? Charlie Bizina is coming up next,
35:19
Speaker 1: go back to Steve Price with you. A panel coming
35:21
Speaker 1: up shortly. I want to ask them about this mad
35:23
Speaker 1: anti police rally in Melbourne today. It was just crazy
35:27
Speaker 1: calling for the defunding of the police. I meant, seriously,
35:30
Speaker 1: give us a break. I'll also get our next guest
35:32
Speaker 1: to wigne on that form of Victorian homicide Squad. Detective
35:35
Speaker 1: Charlie Bazena joins me in the studio. Welcome. I'll get
35:39
Speaker 1: to that in a second. But the two top police
35:42
Speaker 1: jobs in the country are now virtually vacant. You've got
35:47
Speaker 1: the new South Wales Police Commissioner stepping down I think
35:49
Speaker 1: in September, and you've got an acting police Commissioner Eugene.
35:54
Speaker 1: In Victoria, Victorians have decided to go with a kiwi,
35:58
Speaker 1: a bloke who's I think in his sixties direct who
36:02
Speaker 1: had been retired. Is there no one within the Victorian
36:05
Speaker 1: police force that they could have promoted? I mean, you're
36:08
Speaker 1: an old detective copper. Whenever the top job became vacant,
36:12
Speaker 1: everyone said, oh well there's him and him and him.
36:15
Speaker 1: Why can't we find someone locally.
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Speaker 11: I don't think here's anyone please command currently that could
36:19
Speaker 11: take that mantle and have the confidence of the community.
36:22
Speaker 11: I think they've been there too long and needs a
36:24
Speaker 11: good wipe out. And I was saying prior to the
36:26
Speaker 11: appointment of Mike Bush that we need someone from outside,
36:30
Speaker 11: no baggage, no connections to current police command. Completely knew
36:35
Speaker 11: and it was great to see him appointed.
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Speaker 1: He inherits a crime crisis, youth crime crisis, Tobacco shops
36:41
Speaker 1: burned down every night. The latest thing is the crims
36:44
Speaker 1: are stealing cars and doing ram raids into high end
36:48
Speaker 1: Colin Street stores. He's got his job cut out for him.
36:52
Speaker 11: Well understand is that this is something we inherited. This
36:55
Speaker 11: is two decades of inept police command that's been in
36:59
Speaker 11: that in trying to control the crime to get us
37:02
Speaker 11: to where we are today. Mike Bush has now got
37:05
Speaker 11: two decades to try and fix this won't happened eight
37:08
Speaker 11: He's going to come. He won't know the true damage
37:10
Speaker 11: until it gets below the waterline once he's got his
37:13
Speaker 11: bum in the seat at Spencer Street, so only time
37:15
Speaker 11: will tell them.
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Speaker 1: Might take one to two years.
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Speaker 11: Surprisingly, interestingly enough, new Zealand demographics compared to our demographics
37:23
Speaker 11: are not dissimilar. And it's all about back the basic
37:27
Speaker 11: policing a crime avengine better than detection, getting a safety
37:33
Speaker 11: message across and he's front line police orientated.
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Speaker 1: What does he do Charlie about the fact that the
37:38
Speaker 1: magistrates have got a revolving door on bail. You've got
37:41
Speaker 1: a state government that's hard left, that don't want to
37:44
Speaker 1: lock up teenagers because they say they'll end up being
37:46
Speaker 1: career criminals. I mean, he would have to go into
37:49
Speaker 1: this with his eyes wide open knowing that's what he's
37:51
Speaker 1: going to fight againstouldn't he?
37:52
Speaker 11: Ever, he must say and I don't think he's not
37:54
Speaker 11: one to shy away from a challenge. I think that's
37:56
Speaker 11: why he's come on board to challenge and be part
37:58
Speaker 11: of the solution. He's going to push back on the government.
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Speaker 11: He's going to be able to do that now the
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Speaker 11: government to come to an agreement about the bail they're
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Speaker 11: increasing that. What has got against him is the court system,
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Speaker 11: the government. And this happened also when the Victoria Police
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Speaker 11: Union's watch. Also they've been so quiet and they're politicized.
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Speaker 11: He's got no support, so is.
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Speaker 4: A one man band.
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Speaker 11: He's going to come in and start looking at and
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Speaker 11: he knows he's got to wipe off two billion dollars
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Speaker 11: in four years now from the budget. Now, surprisingly enough,
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Speaker 11: the amount of millions that the police generate for this government,
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Speaker 11: how about putting some of that back into policing for
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Speaker 11: the sheer's safety of our community.
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Speaker 1: Well, we don't even have police or lamed armed with
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Speaker 1: dass correct And I'll get to that protest at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Your south Wiles Karen Webb, she's had a checkered career.
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Speaker 1: She had a problem when one of the police officers
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Speaker 1: tasted the ninety year old woman. She also didn't handle
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Speaker 1: particularly well. I don't think the stabbing that happened in
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Speaker 1: that church in Western Sydney. I thought she did a
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Speaker 1: pretty good job on BONDI. She's going to Eve and
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Speaker 1: New South Wales have now got to find a top
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Speaker 1: cop and they've got their own crime problems every month.
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Speaker 11: So but I only think they've got the budgetary problems
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Speaker 11: that we've got down here in Victoria. Now we might
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Speaker 11: find the applicants that we had for Victoria might start
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Speaker 11: looking at New South Wales so they might get someone there.
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Speaker 1: Now it is one of the biggest police forces. We
39:18
Speaker 1: are not dissimilar to it. But at the end of
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Speaker 1: the day, they're also paying police war than here. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: very much.
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Speaker 11: Say we're losing him to Queensland and New South Wales
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Speaker 11: and why the government here doesn't see that. Now, even
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Speaker 11: with the tobacco they've said we want to have them
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Speaker 11: license in his government sits on their hands and doesn't
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Speaker 11: assist the police.
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Speaker 1: So there was a protest through the streets of Melbourne
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Speaker 1: today by a group of people calling for the funding
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Speaker 1: of the Victorian police force. It comes out of that
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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement in the United States. This was
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Speaker 1: a homeless man in I think FoxH Gray, armed with
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Speaker 1: a knife. Police asked him to drop the knife, drop
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Speaker 1: the knife, drop the knife. He kept coming at them
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Speaker 1: and he was fatally shy. These people now say that
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Speaker 1: this is all a racial police force, that they hate
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Speaker 1: the homeless. I mean, seriously, what do they really think
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Speaker 1: would happen if we had no police? Correct? Correct?
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Speaker 11: Then they're talking about disbanding border force even now ultimately
40:10
Speaker 11: it's a matter of they're there to protect it and
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Speaker 11: this is where the police union come in. How about
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Speaker 11: giving we had the roight out of tasers. It's going
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Speaker 11: gradually gradually. How the hell there's no tases at the
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Speaker 11: Footscrape police station was one of the busiest stations in
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Speaker 11: the Western suburbs.
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Speaker 1: That blow could still probably be alive.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely so don't blame the police they think got the
40:29
Speaker 11: tools to do it. He's been The police are being
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Speaker 11: challenged and allegedly attacked by this guy holding a knife.
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Speaker 1: They don't know his background.
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Speaker 11: The fact is they're there to preserve their life and
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Speaker 11: the community's life with a man running around the streets
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Speaker 11: with their est ridiculous chance.
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Speaker 1: It is great to see you again. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: coming up. After the break, the panel weighs in on
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Speaker 1: two high profile labor MPs that got dumped. I mean
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Speaker 1: I'm talking ed Husick of course, and Attorney General dreyfus fuss.
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Speaker 1: Is there any hope left for nuclear power in this country?
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Speaker 1: Welcome back Ron Deine. Coming up at the top of
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Speaker 1: the hour. Our Front and Night panel is in place.
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Speaker 1: Entrepreneurly and Small Business Women Australia founder. Her title gets
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Speaker 1: longer by the week. A man the Rose and Sky
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Speaker 1: News contributor brand. Welcome to you both, great book and
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Speaker 1: to you both just have a just think about it
41:23
Speaker 1: for a moment. If you're a Sky News regular like
41:26
Speaker 1: you two are, you could end up leading a major
41:28
Speaker 1: political party. Matt Canavan has gone from being a regular
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Speaker 1: on Sky to putting his hand up Joe. He says
41:34
Speaker 1: that he can knock off David Little Proud and take
41:37
Speaker 1: over the National Party. I must say his manifesto that
41:41
Speaker 1: I read before I came on air to night, and
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Speaker 1: I spoke to Matt earlier, it looks like it should
41:47
Speaker 1: have been a blueprint for the election campaign.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Matt Canavan is one of the smartest, most canny
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Speaker 12: political brains I've ever come across. Were obviously not on
41:59
Speaker 12: the same ticket in terms of what we sort of
42:02
Speaker 12: like in terms of politics, but he is absolutely cut
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Speaker 12: through his extraordinary the way he can get right to
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Speaker 12: the heart of an issue and communicate that really, really clearly.
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Speaker 12: I would be very worried if I was David Little Proud,
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Speaker 12: because he is someone who can really really do the job.
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Speaker 1: Amanda, are you surprised that Joe's not wearing a red
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Speaker 1: tie tonight or an elbow badge or something, given that
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Speaker 1: he spent the last five weeks giving his mate Anthony
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Speaker 1: a rap and Anthony, of course, with Joe's help, has
42:36
Speaker 1: now got a massive majority in government.
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Speaker 10: Look Joe bleeds read and look, give Joe the respect
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Speaker 10: of the fact. No, yes, right, But the fact is
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Speaker 10: Joe didn't budge from where he stood, right, And that's
42:53
Speaker 10: something that people need to respect. So any whether it's
42:56
Speaker 10: a media commentator or a politician, when you stand for
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Speaker 10: a particular policy or of value and you stick with it,
43:03
Speaker 10: whether someone agrees with you or not, whether I agree
43:05
Speaker 10: with you or not, when someone sticks with it, you've
43:08
Speaker 10: got to respect that. And I think Joe, being on
43:11
Speaker 10: Sky News and being very Labor and Albanese's friend, I
43:16
Speaker 10: think he's suffered but pulled through and look he won.
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Speaker 1: Oh bless you. What we you and I both need
43:23
Speaker 1: to do, though, is use Joe's contacts with the new
43:26
Speaker 1: Labor government and try and get a decent debate now
43:30
Speaker 1: going around how we rescue small business Amanda from the
43:33
Speaker 1: mess that it's in because of the mess of the economy.
43:37
Speaker 1: I mean again, we're still Emma, we're talking about all
43:39
Speaker 1: sorts of large scale rewiring the nation with renewable energy
43:44
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. But every day I read
43:47
Speaker 1: that a cafe, a restaurant, a building firm has gone
43:51
Speaker 1: barely up and people have lost their jobs absolutely.
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Speaker 10: And that's the biggest failure of the Labor Party in
43:59
Speaker 10: general Federal Labor is the fact that they've never backed
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Speaker 10: small business or even considered them in mechanisms or leavers
44:07
Speaker 10: with tenders or.
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Speaker 1: Anything like that.
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Speaker 10: So I will be harassing Joe on a regular basis
44:12
Speaker 10: to make sure that he tells his mate that unless
44:16
Speaker 10: we do something for small business, whether they like small
44:19
Speaker 10: business or not, we need to make sure they're protected.
44:22
Speaker 10: We're not talking big business and it Labor's friends with
44:24
Speaker 10: big business, but we need to make sure that you know,
44:27
Speaker 10: they get access to procurement, that they get the programs
44:30
Speaker 10: that they used to have, like boosting female founders that
44:34
Speaker 10: were slashed beforehand for no reason when it was successful.
44:38
Speaker 10: We need to bring that back and bring it back
44:40
Speaker 10: for both sexes. Bring it back for male and females
44:42
Speaker 10: because we need to encourage innovation in Australia.
44:47
Speaker 1: Joe, we are surprised overnight to learn that ed Husick
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Speaker 1: in particular, but also Mark Drefus had been dumped out
44:54
Speaker 1: of cabinet. That's pretty brutalis factional stuff. Yeah, it really is.
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Speaker 12: I mean the way that the factor determine who gets
45:01
Speaker 12: to go into cabinet and then the PM decides what
45:03
Speaker 12: portfolio they get. It's always been pretty brutal. Basically, it's
45:07
Speaker 12: determined by how many seats you get and how many
45:10
Speaker 12: seats each state gets as well, and that is the
45:13
Speaker 12: way that the cookie has crumbled. Ed Husick is an
45:16
Speaker 12: enormous talent. I think it is a mistake to lose
45:19
Speaker 12: him from the cabinet just because he has got a really,
45:21
Speaker 12: really good policy brain. And also while you know people
45:25
Speaker 12: like Jason Clare and Tony Burke, obviously you couldn't get
45:28
Speaker 12: rid of them. But they know they are under attack
45:31
Speaker 12: from the Muslim vote movement, and it is very clear
45:34
Speaker 12: that that is a two term strategy at least that
45:38
Speaker 12: they are planning a long term strategy to cannibalize the
45:41
Speaker 12: labor vote in Southwest Sydney and supplant it.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that.
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Speaker 12: Getting rid of the only Muslim in cabinet in the
45:50
Speaker 12: first reshuffle post election is the best way of signaling
45:53
Speaker 12: to the Muslim community that you know that you're the
45:56
Speaker 12: best party to represent them. So I would like to
45:58
Speaker 12: think that Ed Husick would come back before the term
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Speaker 12: is up. Mark Dreyfus has been around for a long
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Speaker 12: time and I think it's probably fairer for him to
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Speaker 12: sort of ride off into the sunset. But Ed Husick
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Speaker 12: is a rising start and this is the second time
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Speaker 12: he's had to fall on his sword in the Labor
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Speaker 12: front bench. He did it once before so that Christina
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Speaker 12: Cannearly could have a spot, and again I'm not sure
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Speaker 12: if that was the right call either.
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Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll see him back. A man who has
46:24
Speaker 1: spent five weeks talking about whether we'd go nuclear or
46:27
Speaker 1: not if the Coalition won, that policy now is clearly
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Speaker 1: dead and buried. You can't imagine unless Matt Canavan wins
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Speaker 1: the leadership of the National Party next week, that the
46:39
Speaker 1: Liberals are going to go anywhere near nuclear now. So
46:41
Speaker 1: that again puts it at risk. The whole security of
46:45
Speaker 1: Australia's energy and power bills are again going to go up.
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Speaker 1: So what do we do now?
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Speaker 10: Well, that's right, So you know, the Liberals are split
46:55
Speaker 10: at the moment with nuclear and some are for it
46:57
Speaker 10: and some are against it. But the thing is, when
46:59
Speaker 10: it comes to energy, I think the biggest mistake you
47:02
Speaker 10: can do is focus on just one solution, and you know,
47:05
Speaker 10: Labor focuses on sustainable energy, and Dutton came out and
47:08
Speaker 10: focused purely on nuclear instead of well he likes to
47:12
Speaker 10: have a portfolio of all of it. But he's an
47:13
Speaker 10: election campaign. He focused heavily on nuclear. But a lot
47:16
Speaker 10: of people said, well, hang on a minute, that's ten
47:17
Speaker 10: twenty years away. I want something now. So I think
47:20
Speaker 10: having a honest I know it's rare for this to
47:24
Speaker 10: happen in politics, but an honest discussion to say what
47:27
Speaker 10: do we have available to us right now that we
47:30
Speaker 10: can utilize to keep energy costs down, because labor still
47:34
Speaker 10: does have an obsession of net zero at any cost,
47:38
Speaker 10: and that cost is actually the mom and dad, the
47:42
Speaker 10: elderly person that can't afford their heating in winter, and
47:45
Speaker 10: we are coming into winter. And I know electricians that
47:48
Speaker 10: have said to me that a third of their job
47:50
Speaker 10: has been to go around and turn off electricity for
47:53
Speaker 10: people's houses.
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Speaker 5: Now, that is not what we need.
47:55
Speaker 10: So we need a government that can say, you know,
47:58
Speaker 10: instead of being obsessed over you know, appeasing the powers above,
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Speaker 10: actually be sensible and think of the people of Australia.
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Speaker 1: Joe just quickly. One of the disturbing images I got
48:11
Speaker 1: was Pauline Hanson yesterday telling Chris Kenny she was dancing
48:15
Speaker 1: around in her underwear, drinking Gin and Tonics, watching Adam
48:18
Speaker 1: Bandt concede that he'd lost. I can't get that out
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Speaker 1: of my mind. I can't. I just don't know why
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Speaker 1: she'd tell anyone that. Thank you both for joining us.
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Speaker 1: I've been great through the campaign. We're going to be
48:30
Speaker 1: able to have some fun and get on to some
48:33
Speaker 1: lighter topics probably next week. Good on you both. I'll
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Speaker 1: see you then. That's Joe and Amanda there and the
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Speaker 1: leadership challenges will take place Monday and Tuesday. Matt Canavan
48:44
Speaker 1: wants to take over the National Party, and of course
48:47
Speaker 1: we have the challenge also in the Liberal Party, who
48:50
Speaker 1: is going to replace Peter Dutton. Rundine's