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Little Marys Grave · Voices Off The Map

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  Speaker 1: What's up and what's going on, everyone? Welcome to Voices
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  Speaker 1: Off the Map. I'm your host, B, and along with
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  Speaker 1: me is my co-host and brother, Nico.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on, dude?
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  Speaker 1: Not a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You ready to get this new show off the ground? Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get this thing going.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, let's introduce our first guest. We have
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy from Michigan. So what's going on, Jimmy?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: All right, so today you have a story about Little
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  Speaker 1: Mary's grave from Jackson, Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And this story is about a little girl who supposedly
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  Speaker 1: passed away, but when she was buried, she wasn't actually dead.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the premise of this whole thing, right?
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  Speaker 1: As far as I understand it. We're going to get
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  Speaker 1: a little more into it in a second.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So for those of you that don't know, let's go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and do kind of a little history thing. So
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  Speaker 1: little Mary's grave belonged to Mary McNaughton, who was born
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  Speaker 1: September 5th, 1884 and died July 18th, 1892. So she
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  Speaker 1: was seven years old and buried in Jackson, Jackson, Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Mary was a real person and she was the
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  Speaker 1: granddaughter of a prominent Jackson physician and former mayor, Moses
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  Speaker 1: Archibald McNaughton. Her cause of death, was from peritonitis caused
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  Speaker 1: by ruptured appendix during a regional diphtheria and typhoid outbreak. However,
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  Speaker 1: she died in Brighton, Michigan, but she was buried in Jackson. Now,
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  Speaker 1: here's the lore behind this. The lore is that this
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  Speaker 1: little girl was buried before she had actually passed away.
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  Speaker 1: And the local folklore claims Mary's mother had a premonition
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  Speaker 1: or dream that Mary was buried alive at Hillcrest Memorial Park,
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  Speaker 1: Formerly known as Oakdale or Oak Cemetery.
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  Speaker 2: Now, is that... I'm not sure. Is that right, Jimmy?
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  Speaker 4: I believe so. I'd have to look it up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 4: No worries.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, so here's the big kicker. The coffin discovery.
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  Speaker 1: The legend alleges that when the coffin was exhumed and opened,
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  Speaker 1: they found scratch marks on the lid and bloody hands
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  Speaker 1: from Mary trying to escape.
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  Speaker 2: Now, people have reported.
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  Speaker 1: that when they go to visit Mary's grave, they start
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  Speaker 1: hearing sounds of scratching or crying or seeing a young
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  Speaker 1: girl's ghost hovering near the grave site. Now, me personally,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any firsthand accounts. I know Nico doesn't either,
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  Speaker 1: but Jimmy does. And so I'm going to hand it
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  Speaker 1: over to let Jimmy explain his encounter when he went.
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  Speaker 2: To visit little Mary's grave.
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  Speaker 1: So Jimmy, whenever you're ready, it's all yours.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. So growing up in Jackson, we were all
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  Speaker 4: familiar with the story. of Little Perry. So in the 1980s,
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  Speaker 4: I was a teenager and I worked at Burger King
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  Speaker 4: with my sister and some of our friends. And we
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  Speaker 4: usually worked Friday nights until close at midnight. And normally
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  Speaker 4: after we would close, we would hang out after, we'd
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  Speaker 4: hang out in the restaurant or go to somebody's house.
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  Speaker 4: But this one particular Friday night, we decided to go
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  Speaker 4: on an adventure and look for Little Perry's grave. So
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  Speaker 4: we drove to the cemetery and We looked around the
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  Speaker 4: cemetery to see if we could find her grave. We
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  Speaker 4: did end up finding it way in the back in
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  Speaker 4: a part of the cemetery that apparently was no longer
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  Speaker 4: being used anymore because it was overgrown. So this kind
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  Speaker 4: of made it more interesting to be in this back
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  Speaker 4: part of the cemetery that was overgrown. It was after midnight,
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  Speaker 4: kind of a hazy, foggy night. It kind of made
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  Speaker 4: us feel like we were sort of in the scene
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  Speaker 4: of a horror movie. Like I said, we did find
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  Speaker 4: the grave. We did not have any paranormal experiences, but
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  Speaker 4: it was kind of interesting. About 10 years ago, I
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  Speaker 4: was back in Jackson with a friend. We were down
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  Speaker 4: there for some reason, and I told him about the grave,
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  Speaker 4: and we decided to drive in there to see if
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  Speaker 4: we could find it again. Of course, this was during
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  Speaker 4: the day. However, that time, it would appear the back
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  Speaker 4: part of the cemetery had been fenced off. You could
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  Speaker 4: no longer go back there. So it wasn't able to
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  Speaker 4: see at that time.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And so, okay, so you went to visit this thing
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  Speaker 1: when you were a teenager, and this time, or that time,
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  Speaker 1: it was at night.
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  Speaker 2: And so, first off, no.
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  Speaker 1: Secondly, when you were there, since you had first-hand accounts,
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  Speaker 1: did you hear, see anything?
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  Speaker 4: We did not.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck.
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  Speaker 2: That would have been crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so, I mean, but even to think about it,
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  Speaker 1: like even that walk to find the grave just had
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  Speaker 1: to have it to be eerie as all hell.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. And even though that's what we were thinking, if
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  Speaker 4: I found that probably would have ran out of there scared.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. You would have to. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way in hell. And so when you went, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So you went back, you said like 10, 10 years later. And, um,
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  Speaker 1: And so you were down in Jackson, but the area
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  Speaker 1: where her grave.
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  Speaker 2: Is, is now fenced off.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So is it more, is it fenced off more like
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  Speaker 1: a construction site fenced off, or is it fenced off
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  Speaker 1: like a property line?
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  Speaker 4: Just like a property.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: They apparently don't want people going back there anymore.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes me wonder if it's something like that,
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  Speaker 1: if it belongs, I mean, I wonder if it was
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  Speaker 1: the family of Mary, you know, like descendants that had it.
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  Speaker 2: Sectioned off finally.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah it could be i think a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: go back there or work or going.
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  Speaker 1: Back there well yeah i i can imagine if that
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  Speaker 1: was kind of like a local legend and a hot
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  Speaker 1: spot i'm sure that was probably where every teenager was
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  Speaker 1: kicking it at some point yes you have to test
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  Speaker 1: boundaries like i'm good like i've done stupid stuff but
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  Speaker 1: i don't know something about going to a cemetery and
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  Speaker 1: Even if it was just looking for it, the last
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  Speaker 1: thing I want to do is just piss off a
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  Speaker 1: ghost and then... No, I don't need something following me
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  Speaker 1: back home. I don't need something getting in the car
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  Speaker 1: with me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That was my initial thought. Yeah, like, absolutely not. So,
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So, ten years later after the first encounter, or first
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  Speaker 1: time you went, have you gone back after the second time?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So.
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  Speaker 2: would you want to go back?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, probably not.
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  Speaker 2: I got it.
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  Speaker 1: So with Mary's grave, I mean, is it, does it
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  Speaker 1: fit in with the rest of, if there is a
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  Speaker 1: cemetery right there, does it fit in with the rest
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  Speaker 1: or does it literally look like it's kind of off
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  Speaker 1: the beaten path?
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  Speaker 2: It's overgrown.
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  Speaker 4: Well, all of the, uh, uh, grave sites, that part
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  Speaker 4: of the cemetery were overgrown. Um, it was mixed. It
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  Speaker 4: was mixed in with the other graves. It was a
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  Speaker 4: fairly prominent, uh, grave just because of like you said
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  Speaker 4: she was from a wealthy family so they had put
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  Speaker 4: out the money for a fairly impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Grave site I think we no I think we got
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  Speaker 1: disconnected wait everybody back? I'm here everybody's back alright so
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  Speaker 1: I apologize Jimmy go ahead and continue everybody there?
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  Speaker 2: I'm here okay.
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  Speaker 1: Cool yeah so Jimmy you can go ahead I apologize
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  Speaker 1: wherever it kicked off last time I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: it keeps breaking up so I am sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll repeat what I just said, because I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure what you heard. So I said, yes, that whole
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  Speaker 4: part of the cemetery was overgrown, and her grave site
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  Speaker 4: was mixed in with the normal graves. However, it was
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  Speaker 4: a fairly prominent grave site with a large monument there. Because,
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  Speaker 4: as you stated, she was from a wealthy family, so
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  Speaker 4: they had put out a lot of money for impressive
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  Speaker 4: grave sites.
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  Speaker 2: OK, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. With her
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  Speaker 2: being from a prominent family, that would make that would
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  Speaker 2: make sense. But, you know, it's hard. It's hard to
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  Speaker 2: imagine that.
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  Speaker 1: I know the family denies the rumors, but it makes
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  Speaker 1: me wonder how it got started. And from what I
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  Speaker 1: from what I from what I've looked up, it turned
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  Speaker 1: around and said that the reason why the family supposedly
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  Speaker 1: went back to the grave was because the mom had
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  Speaker 1: a premonition that the daughter was actually when she was buried,
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  Speaker 1: she was still alive. And so that made them look.
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  Speaker 1: And when they got the coffin, the coffin had all
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  Speaker 1: the scratch marks in it. The family, now the actual
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  Speaker 1: family denies all this. And so, but I just made,
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  Speaker 1: it makes me wonder what started the rumor.
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  Speaker 4: Good question that I don't know the answer to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like that one's crazy. Like I can imagine if at
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  Speaker 1: the time, because people were mistakenly getting buried alive, if
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  Speaker 1: that could have been it or like, just, just what
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  Speaker 1: I like, I don't know that that to me is surprising.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Especially because it couldn't have happened anymore. Let me rephrase that.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be any more terrifying than when you think
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  Speaker 1: about someone who is not only buried alive, but this
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  Speaker 1: is a seven-year-old girl that was buried alive. So not
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  Speaker 1: only are zombies terrifying, but children zombies are terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. That's no joke. That's definitely wild.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I mean, I know it's all speculation, but if
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  Speaker 1: there is, to me... you always hear that within every legend,
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  Speaker 1: every myth, every story, there is just a fragment of truth.
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  Speaker 1: So I wonder what, what it was besides the obvious
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  Speaker 1: that this little girl passed away.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's wild, man.
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  Speaker 1: Um, do you have anything else? I mean, you want
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  Speaker 1: to add to it or that's it? Yeah, that is
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  Speaker 1: definitely crazy. All right, Nico, what about you, man? Any
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  Speaker 1: last minute questions?
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  Speaker 2: No, I guess not. He must've stepped away for a second.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, Yeah, my bad.
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  Speaker 2: Apologies.
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  Speaker 3: But, no, I don't have anything else. Crazy story. I'd
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  Speaker 3: be interested to go up and see it, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if I'm that interested.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you also don't know how close you can really
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  Speaker 1: get anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean, understandable with people who might go
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  Speaker 3: around and vandalize it and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So... All right, Jimmy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we won't keep you, man, but we greatly appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you telling us this story.
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  Speaker 2: My dogs are losing their freaking mind.
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  Speaker 1: All right, man, but we greatly appreciate it, dude. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for taking the time telling us this story. If
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  Speaker 1: we're ever up in Michigan, definitely might have to check
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  Speaker 1: out Jackson just to see what we can see with
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  Speaker 1: Little Mary's Grave because the story really is compelling, and
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many other stories... are right along the
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  Speaker 1: same line, but I think hers might have been brought
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  Speaker 1: to the forefront just because of the family that she
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  Speaker 1: came from.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're coming from a prominent family.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I'm definitely... Yeah, if we're ever up
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan, we'll definitely have to check it out, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure when you talk to, like, locals, they will
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  Speaker 1: all have a story, and especially if you find the
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  Speaker 1: ones that have actually come across and seen some stuff
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  Speaker 1: or heard some stuff, it.
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  Speaker 2: Would definitely be wild.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, would be fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: So, all right, Jimmy, we'll go ahead and we'll let
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  Speaker 1: you get out of here.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, thank you again. And we will talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Take care, man. All right.
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  Speaker 4: And again, thank you everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for joining us on voices off the map.
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  Speaker 2: We hope to catch you next week.