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"Macho" Perv-Tate-Bros, Whine About Jail Snacks · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: It never ends with these two. Sex fiend Tate brothers
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  Speaker 1: wanted in three continents. Three continents, tonight, whining about their
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  Speaker 1: jail snacks. They don't like them. You're not getting enough
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  Speaker 1: snicker bars. The so-called sex fiend Tate brothers, now we
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  Speaker 1: learn they're private jets. They're huge yachts. They're Rolexes on
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  Speaker 1: both arms. The whole lifestyle is fake. And we learn
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  Speaker 1: that in a humiliating court brawl. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Dynamic Brother Duo and social media influencers Andra and Tristan
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  Speaker 2: Tate are facing multiple criminal indictments over allegations of human trafficking,
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  Speaker 2: sexual assault, and money laundering, placing the controversial influencers back
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  Speaker 2: into the global spotlight.
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  Speaker 3: There's no such thing as a perfect woman. If you
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  Speaker 3: want a woman who's perfect for you, you must build
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  Speaker 3: her to be perfect for you.
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  Speaker 4: A woman who is understanding and kind and who respects
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  Speaker 4: you does not exist unless.
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  Speaker 3: You force her to be that way. The woman must.
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  Speaker 4: Learn that her man is an iron mountain and the
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  Speaker 4: easiest path is to obey.
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  Speaker 3: Any other kind of resistance simply doesn't work. That's how
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  Speaker 3: you have to be.
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  Speaker 4: But some women are more moldable than others. I, with
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  Speaker 4: my skill level, can make any female do as I say.
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  Speaker 3: And I say that with absolute conviction.
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  Speaker 4: I've never met a woman who will not do the
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  Speaker 4: basics of what I say. Bring me coffee, turn up
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  Speaker 4: where I tell her to, listen to me, not talk
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  Speaker 4: to other men.
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  Speaker 3: Basic things. We've had the sex now. We've had it.
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  Speaker 3: We've had what we wanted.
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  Speaker 4: So the attention has to drop instantly to set a
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  Speaker 4: standard for the relationship.
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  Speaker 3: And the relationship standard.
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  Speaker 5: Is as follows. You better be nice to me. You
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  Speaker 5: better f * * * me when I want you to.
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  Speaker 5: You better do as you're told to get my attention. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 5: it's staying down here. You have now won the game.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, what assets do I have? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I have a car, I have this, I have that.
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  Speaker 4: And then I realized I had about five girlfriends, all
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  Speaker 4: smoking home. And females are an asset. Attractive females are
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  Speaker 4: absolutely an asset. So when I realized I had all
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  Speaker 4: these assets, I had to find a way to monetize
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  Speaker 4: the assets. Your goal is to inspire a girl to
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  Speaker 4: make money and give you the money. So the way
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna do that is you have to have some
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  Speaker 4: element of influence and you're gonna have that element of
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  Speaker 4: influence through her respecting you, looking up to you, and
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  Speaker 4: her believing she needs you.
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  Speaker 3: And this is extremely important. Because at the beginning, she
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  Speaker 3: will need you. But then she won't need you.
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  Speaker 4: But you have to keep that fallacy, keep that dream
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  Speaker 4: alive that she can't do this without you to ensure
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  Speaker 4: that she doesn't do it without you. You don't want
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  Speaker 4: a girl who's in it for the money. You want
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  Speaker 4: a girl who's in it because she loves you. So
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  Speaker 4: when they're working hard, you have to please them. You
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  Speaker 4: have to please them with attention. The easiest way to
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  Speaker 4: give a girl attention is to That's the life you're
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  Speaker 4: going to have to live. You're going to have to
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  Speaker 4: be that.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of guy. You have to be militant.
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  Speaker 3: But that's why having a good ball is so, so,
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  Speaker 3: so important. It's extremely important.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Morse joining us tonight. Veteran defense attorney out of
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  Speaker 1: this jurisdiction in Florida. Founder of the Morse Legal Law Firm. Author,
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  Speaker 1: The Untested Morse. That's from the Andrew Tate Ph.D. course. Thoughts?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm not sure who would take that course. So
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  Speaker 7: or he would even take it for once. But it
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  Speaker 7: doesn't have anything to do with extradition or them being
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  Speaker 7: held in custody awaiting extradition.
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  Speaker 6: It's irrelevant. I mean. It's not a real course.
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  Speaker 1: You don't take the course. Like what?
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  Speaker 6: You're signing up for Harvard Online? Who would watch it?
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  Speaker 6: You're playing semantics. All right, so who would watch it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, somebody's watching it because they have made millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Some idiots out there watch this.
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  Speaker 6: Again, I can't speak to the people that would watch it.
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  Speaker 7: I was raised by a single mom, so I don't
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  Speaker 7: have those views. I don't know what to tell you.
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  Speaker 7: But as far as these guys staying in custody and
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  Speaker 7: being extradited to England, this has no bearing on that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not sure why this is even relevant to the
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  Speaker 7: issues that are in the United States.
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  Speaker 6: You don't think so? It's not at all.
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  Speaker 7: Put them up.
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  Speaker 1: Put them up.
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  Speaker 6: Not at all. This is about whether they.
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  Speaker 1: Are the people that are in the extradition warrants. It
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  Speaker 1: does have bearing on it, and I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 8: Only today, on your ex account, to millions of people,
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  Speaker 8: You've said this, stop letting women vote. Stop giving women
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  Speaker 8: position as judges. Stop giving women political appointments. As soon
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  Speaker 8: as only men run government and law, all the problems disappear.
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  Speaker 8: Women now understand that without male protection, they're nothing but victims.
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  Speaker 8: You are not a girl boss. There is no such thing.
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  Speaker 8: Crying for Iriana is a wake-up call for females.
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  Speaker 9: The idiots who are going to sit there and pretend
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  Speaker 9: that a woman should be able to make her own
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  Speaker 9: money and.
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  Speaker 4: Take a public transport alone and.
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  Speaker 9: Sit next to a black guy and not worry about it.
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  Speaker 9: All of their worldviews led to her murder.
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  Speaker 1: From our friend, Piers Morgan Uncensored. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: he even listened to Tate without holding his nose. My
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  Speaker 1: point is, Lauren Conlon, contributor, L.A. Magazine, investigative reporter, star
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  Speaker 1: of Pop Crime TV. What's the name of the judge
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  Speaker 1: that presided over this hearing in Miami?
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  Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, it's none other than a female U.S. district judge.
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  Speaker 10: And she was not having any of it during their
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  Speaker 10: bail hearing in August. And the decision came out in September.
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  Speaker 10: She drafted a 30-page motion and she denied their bail
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  Speaker 10: for a number of reasons. And look, this whole thing
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  Speaker 10: is very unusual. But I just feel like they're full
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  Speaker 10: of crap and they don't even listen to their own advice.
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  Speaker 1: I am this close to getting to the actual charges.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how these two landed in the U.S. anyway.
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  Speaker 1: They're wanted in the U.K., they're wanted in Romania, but
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  Speaker 1: yet they have found safe haven in Miami. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you this, Judge Lauren F. Lewis, the presiding U.S.
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  Speaker 1: magistrate judge, said, go back to jail, whiny boys. And
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  Speaker 1: speaking of whining, Dave Mack, is it true that in
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  Speaker 1: Addition to a humiliating hearing where they claim that their
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  Speaker 1: big yacht, all of their Rolex that they drape themselves with,
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  Speaker 1: their private jets, their luxury lifestyle, it's all fake. It's
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  Speaker 1: all fake. They've got 10 million followers that say, can
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  Speaker 1: I hear about the Snickers bars, please? The big, burly,
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  Speaker 1: macho Tate brothers are whining about Snickers bars?
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  Speaker 11: Nancy, these guys have actually started complaining about snack items.
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  Speaker 1: This is what they said.
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  Speaker 11: And it was a handwritten note. It looked like it
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  Speaker 11: was written by a six-year-old. And it says that they've
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  Speaker 11: only received 14 snack items between the two of them
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  Speaker 11: over a 32-day period. Tristan saying, I've lost 13 pounds.
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  Speaker 11: Andrew take claims he's lost eight pounds. They've allegedly only
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  Speaker 11: been given access to commissary one time. And it wasn't
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  Speaker 11: just about, you know, having access to commissary. They're complaining
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  Speaker 11: about everything about their jail, their jail meals containing no
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  Speaker 11: real food, the limited access. And then, of course, complaining
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  Speaker 11: about their diet that they do get is mostly junk food. So, oh,
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  Speaker 11: they also complained about ants and the lack of privacy
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  Speaker 11: around the toilet. I'm not kidding, Nancy. They're in jail
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  Speaker 11: and Tristan Tate is complaining about a lack of privacy
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  Speaker 11: around the toilet in his cell.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I can't confirm this, but according to certain sources,
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  Speaker 1: they had the same problem that Sean Combs had. I
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  Speaker 1: think I know why they don't want anyone watching them
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  Speaker 1: at the men's urinal. But let's just say this isn't
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  Speaker 1: a full Tootsie Roll. This is a midge, okay? Does
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  Speaker 1: that mean anything to you, Tape Bros? That said, Greg Morse,
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  Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer, what about it? Was it what, the 28th,
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  Speaker 1: the 29th, the 31st Amendment that guarantees you Snickers bars
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  Speaker 1: behind bars?
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  Speaker 6: Well, no, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 7: But commissary is currency in jails.
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  Speaker 6: I've been to FDC where they're being held many, many times.
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  Speaker 7: And people, when they're in custody or trying to get out,
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  Speaker 7: they're going to complain about every little thing.
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  Speaker 6: It's not for you to feel bad for them.
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  Speaker 7: It's for their lawyer to be able to create grounds
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  Speaker 7: as to why they.
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  Speaker 6: Shouldn't be in that condition. And you don't need to.
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  Speaker 6: But as far as what they're complaining.
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  Speaker 2: About— Florida.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that Miami Detention Center. Not a
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  Speaker 1: thing in the world.
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  Speaker 7: Listen, I've had clients there for more than 20 years,
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  Speaker 7: and I've not had issues.
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  Speaker 6: With my clients at that facility.
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  Speaker 7: Like every jail or prison in America, whether it's state
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  Speaker 7: or federal, they deteriorate.
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  Speaker 6: They're overcrowded.
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  Speaker 7: Corrections doesn't make money for government, so not a lot
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  Speaker 7: of money is put into it.
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  Speaker 6: We get new courthouses all the time.
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  Speaker 7: We do not get new jails to at least have
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  Speaker 7: a bare minimum of facilities working. But again, I've been
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  Speaker 7: to this jail many, many times in my career. It's
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  Speaker 7: a jail. It's reasonably okay. But these guys are complaining
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  Speaker 7: about every little thing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, please don't start whining along with the Tate brothers
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  Speaker 1: about the jail. It's a perfectly fine facility.
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  Speaker 6: Let me just ask a quick question.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, is there– oh, I'm still hearing something. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's you. Dave Mack, have these guys been beaten? This
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  Speaker 1: is a lightning round. Yes, no. Have they been beaten
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  Speaker 1: behind bars? No.
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  Speaker 11: No, they have not been beaten by a bar.
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  Speaker 1: Have they been tortured?
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  Speaker 3: No, they have not.
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  Speaker 1: One word. One word.
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  Speaker 6: Operative.
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  Speaker 1: One word. Are they allowed visits from their lawyers?
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  Speaker 12: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Are they getting three hots in a cot? Yes. What's
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  Speaker 1: the problem? Guys, speaking about how badly they're being treated,
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  Speaker 1: what is this, Dave Mack? They're having ramen noodles?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: They're having all season chips. They're having Doritos. They're having chicken. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: ramen chicken soup. Low sodium. Roast chicken. Turkey and Swiss
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  Speaker 1: combo sticks. Twix. They're having Twix. Yet they're whining about Snickers. What? Wait,
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  Speaker 1: do I see Snickers on there? Okay. What am I seeing?
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  Speaker 1: They're getting all this. Hey, they wouldn't be getting this
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  Speaker 1: in the Romanian jail they're looking down the wrong end
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  Speaker 1: of the barrel at. Is that correct, Dave Mack? Is
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  Speaker 1: that truly one of the Tate Bros food receipts?
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  Speaker 11: This is actually Tristan Tate's receipt from jail. The guy
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  Speaker 11: claiming he's lost 13 pounds since being there. And yeah,
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  Speaker 11: the all-season chips, the ramen noodles, Doritos, spicy sweet chili.
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  Speaker 1: It's a state's exhibit. See that? I can't tell you
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  Speaker 1: how many thousands of these stickers I've put on evidence.
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  Speaker 1: I'd recognize that anywhere in the world. This is a
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  Speaker 1: state's exhibit. It looks like number 10 to prove the
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  Speaker 1: Tate Bros have not suffered behind bars. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: get to the charges, the charges of trafficking. But I
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  Speaker 1: know this, to Danny Pinter joining us, Chief Legal Officer,
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  Speaker 1: National Center of Sex Exploitation, She actually represents an alleged
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  Speaker 1: victim of the Tates. I know this. There's one teen
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  Speaker 1: girl that I know of, a little teen girl, just
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  Speaker 1: barely over 15. And they have made of that one
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  Speaker 1: girl over a million pounds. That's about a half, one
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  Speaker 1: and a half million American dollars. Not just from trafficking her,
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  Speaker 1: according to claims, but from web trafficking. camming her. A
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  Speaker 1: little girl allegedly being webcammed to, they've got 10 million followers,
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  Speaker 1: to men all over the globe that pay to see
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  Speaker 1: a teen girl in sex acts, undress. That is where
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  Speaker 1: they made money. And that's off one girl reportedly, Danny Pinter, Right.
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  Speaker 12: And now we're seeing charges for creation and possession of
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  Speaker 12: child and decent images of children coming out of the UK.
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  Speaker 12: So it's looking like that's exactly what you described is
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  Speaker 12: what happened. And yet the Tate brothers got on the
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  Speaker 12: stand at their detention hearing and told the judge that
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  Speaker 12: their heinous comments about women and sexual violence were just
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  Speaker 12: a character and a big joke.
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  Speaker 1: A big joke. Okay, but Lauren Conlon, it's not so
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  Speaker 1: funny when you look at the actual charges, Lauren. Could
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  Speaker 1: you explain? It's not a joke. It's not just puffing
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  Speaker 1: themselves up online. These are actual charges with actual alleged victims.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, as you stated, they are facing multiple prosecutions. And
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  Speaker 10: as of right now, there are 59 charges against them
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  Speaker 10: pending in the UK. We have a seven counts for rape,
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  Speaker 10: three counts for arranging or facilitating traffic, 19 charges involving
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  Speaker 10: indecent images of a child. And then again, the webcam accounts.
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  Speaker 10: And then you have in Romania, the September 4th charges.
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  Speaker 10: This indictment is brand new. And as you mentioned, it
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  Speaker 10: involves a girl who they trafficked and made visible and
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  Speaker 10: made a product almost through their webcam business. They also,
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  Speaker 10: the government in Romania is actually seeking to get this
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  Speaker 10: $ 1. 25 million back from them and also are seeking to
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  Speaker 10: confiscate luxury vehicles in connection to this. So again, these
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  Speaker 10: are very serious charges, Nancy, and their public persona absolutely
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  Speaker 10: does not help them. Let's remind everyone what this PhD
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  Speaker 10: course was called. The website was once called Hustlers University.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, you heard that right.
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  Speaker 3: Hustlers University.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of, I don't know why the control room feels
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  Speaker 1: they have to keep bombarding me with videos of the
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  Speaker 1: Tate brothers without their shirts on. You think I care
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  Speaker 1: about their steroided muscles? I don't care.
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  Speaker 14: Am I a bad person? Because the more you didn't
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  Speaker 14: like it, the more I enjoyed it. I fucking loved
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  Speaker 14: how much you hated it.
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  Speaker 9: Turn me on. Why am I like that?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 14: I am one of the most dangerous men on this planet.
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  Speaker 14: Sometimes you forget exactly how lucky you were to get
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  Speaker 14: fucked by me. Would you rather me pin you down
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  Speaker 14: and make you do things you didn't like, or would
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  Speaker 14: you rather you didn't like that I was thinking I
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  Speaker 14: can do whatever I want to you?
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 14: I'm the smartest person on this planet. Are you seriously
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  Speaker 14: so offended I strangled you a little bit? You didn't
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  Speaker 14: f * * * ing pass out.
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  Speaker 9: Chill the f * * * out. Jesus Christ, I
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  Speaker 9: thought you were cool.
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  Speaker 11: What's wrong with you?
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  Speaker 1: Those are leaked voice memos of Andrew Tate from Vice
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  Speaker 1: to Lauren Conlon. What was that? Who was he speaking to?
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  Speaker 10: Listen, Nancy, I've heard multiple voicemails and leaked audio like this.
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  Speaker 10: This is just how these guys speak. It doesn't really
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  Speaker 10: matter who they're speaking about, Nancy, because at this point,
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  Speaker 10: there are so many alleged victims that want to come forward,
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  Speaker 10: that have cases against them. I mean, we're not even
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  Speaker 10: going into the civil suits here. So again- He is
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  Speaker 10: just speaking. This, again, is how he talks about women,
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  Speaker 10: both of the brothers. This is not surprising to me.
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  Speaker 1: Danny Pinter represents an alleged victim of the Tate's. Danny,
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  Speaker 1: does what we are showing and reporting tonight coincide or
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  Speaker 1: jive with what your client says happened to her at
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  Speaker 1: the hands of the Tate's?
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  Speaker 12: Yes. So my client, you know, cooperated with Romanian authorities
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  Speaker 12: when she was rescued from the Tate Brothers' properties in
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  Speaker 12: April 2022. She describes observing and experiencing similar acts of intimidation, threats,
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  Speaker 12: and violence. And this This voice memo was directed towards
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  Speaker 12: an alleged victim in the UK from over a decade ago.
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  Speaker 12: What is so compelling about the allegations against the Tate
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  Speaker 12: brothers is that women have been coming forward for almost
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  Speaker 12: 20 years now. There's over 46 women victims identified in Romania.
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  Speaker 12: Seven women are the subject of the current 59 charges,
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  Speaker 12: and they've reported similar acts of violence, including strangulation. and
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  Speaker 12: similar methods over this entire span of years, even though
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  Speaker 12: these women are from different countries, never met each other,
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  Speaker 12: and in some instances even speak different languages.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you're hearing Danny Pinter, who represents one of the
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  Speaker 1: alleged victims of the Tate brothers, describing the, quote, Tate properties.
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  Speaker 1: There are reports and allegations that at least in Romania,
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  Speaker 1: women were kept R. Kelly style against their will, in
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  Speaker 1: basically an enforced sex compound where they were trafficked to
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  Speaker 1: various people. Now, she, Danny Pinter, confirms that what you're
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  Speaker 1: about to hear were threats and intimidation on a UK
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  Speaker 1: tape victim.
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  Speaker 14: Am I a bad person? Because the more you didn't
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  Speaker 14: like it, the more I enjoyed it. I fucking loved
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  Speaker 14: how much you hated it.
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  Speaker 1: Turn me on.
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  Speaker 14: Why am I like that?
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  Speaker 15: Why?
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  Speaker 14: I am one of the most dangerous men on this planet.
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  Speaker 14: Sometimes you forget exactly how lucky you were to get
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  Speaker 14: fucked by me. Would you rather me pin you down
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  Speaker 14: and make you do things you didn't like, or would
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  Speaker 14: you rather you didn't like that I was thinking I
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  Speaker 14: can do whatever I want to?
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 14: I'm the smartest person on this fucking planet. Are you
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  Speaker 14: seriously so offended I strangled you a little bit? You
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  Speaker 14: didn't fucking pass out. Chill the Ow, Jesus Christ, I
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  Speaker 14: thought you were cool.
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  Speaker 9: What's wrong with you?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Those are leaked voice memos of Andrew Tate from Vice
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to Danny Pinter. Could you expound on the alleged enforced
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: sex compound? What happened in Romania? Multiple charges there. What
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: happened in UK? What are the charges there? What are
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the allegations, the claims, and how the H-E-L-L These two,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: while they're wanted elsewhere, find refuge in Miami? I do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: not know. But could you give me a description of
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: what was happening in Romania? Because it's my understanding that
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: your client was lured by them from Florida to Romania
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: by the Tate brothers. What are the claims in Romania?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: What are the claims in UK?
• 21:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so in Romania, the allegations are that the Tate
• 21:03
  Speaker 12: brothers used a systemic method of a romance scam to
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: sex traffic women into webcam pornography. So similar to an
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: experience that my client had, the Tate brothers pretend to
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: be interested in a romantic relationship. They wine and dine
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: these women, they make elaborate promises. And then when the
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: women come to Romania, they're increasingly isolated, surveilled, their movement
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: is restricted, and they're being constantly pressured and allegedly coerced
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: into participating in pornography. And that is what Romania alleged
• 21:37
  Speaker 12: happened to over 46 victims, including a minor victim. And we,
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: and we have seen the reports now that just on
• 21:44
  Speaker 12: that minor victim alone, the tape others are alleged to
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: have made over 1.5 million pounds. Then we have dating
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: even further back in the UK, at least seven women
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: now have current charges about their experience of either sexual
• 21:59
  Speaker 12: violence or similarly being coerced into the webcam pornography industry
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: in Romania. In addition to those seven women, there are
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: four other women who brought charges initially in 2014 and 15,
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: alleging that they were being sexually assaulted and abused in
• 22:17
  Speaker 12: webcam pornography to UK police then. But the UK dropped
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: the ball, did nothing with those charges. They were dismissed
• 22:25
  Speaker 12: in 2019. And now the UK has acknowledged that that
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: investigation was botched. It's now been reopened. And those four
• 22:32
  Speaker 12: women currently have a civil case against the Tate brothers
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: in the UK.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Andrew and Tristan Tate, the so-called Tate bros, have just
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: lost their bid in a Miami courtroom to be released
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: from a Florida jail. They are fighting extradition to the UK,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: where they face charges of assault and trafficking in the UK. Now,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: here's the rub. They are dual victims.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: U.S.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Citizens. Yes, these two, sadly, are U.S. citizens. They have
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: been held in U.S. custody since their arrest after the U.K.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: unveiled new charges. They dragged their feet. That leads me
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to the question to John Nance joining us, former supervisory
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI, then assigned to Miami and Washington, D.C.,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: As I recall, the field office is for over 20 years.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: You can find him on all social media at the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: John Nance. Why have they gotten away with it for
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: so long? And they're right there online with 10 million
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: followers flaunting an extravagant lifestyle. Why have they gotten away
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: with it for so long?
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: Well, I would assume that they exploited their dual citizenship,
• 23:59
  Speaker 16: and that's how they gained entry into the United States
• 24:02
  Speaker 16: to begin with. But, you know, watching these videotapes of
• 24:06
  Speaker 16: these individuals, I'm absolutely astounded that anyone would listen to
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: this kind of garbage, much less pay for it. That's
• 24:13
  Speaker 16: what really shocks me. And I think what is also
• 24:17
  Speaker 16: very interesting, and I've seen this over and over again
• 24:19
  Speaker 16: in my law enforcement career, that individuals like this who
• 24:23
  Speaker 16: talk about being, you know, quote unquote, the most dangerous
• 24:26
  Speaker 16: man on the planet are now whining in prison or
• 24:31
  Speaker 16: in the Miami detention center.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: About their Snickers?
• 24:34
  Speaker 16: About their Snickers and complaining that they're possibly in danger
• 24:39
  Speaker 16: of dying from scurvy. I thought that claim was particularly humorous.
• 24:45
  Speaker 16: But how they got here, I would assume because of
• 24:48
  Speaker 16: their dual citizenship in Romania and the U.K., have been,
• 24:55
  Speaker 16: I think, preparing their cases very thoroughly. And I'm delighted
• 25:00
  Speaker 16: to see that the bail request has been refused and
• 25:05
  Speaker 16: extradition looks like it's a very, very real possibility. So
• 25:09
  Speaker 16: 59 charges in total with regard to Tate himself. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 16: his brother, I think, is looking at a total of
• 25:17
  Speaker 16: around 30-something charges. And as you stated earlier, their potential
• 25:25
  Speaker 16: housing in Romania is going to make them long for
• 25:30
  Speaker 16: what they've got right now in Miami-Dade.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: You used the lover boy method. You said, sir.
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: The lover boy method. Andrew, this is going to be
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: a very interesting interview. We had a good one last time.
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: You're a nice guy.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: We have some interesting conversations.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: I didn't say you were a nice guy. I'm going
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: to come along.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: We're going to make some money from this interview.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: Money will be made for both sides.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: You lover boyed me.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: You had a website, Hustlers University, offering courses teaching husbands
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: and boyfriends how to get their partners into webcam.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: Absolutely false.
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: The Hustlers University, which you can go to now. Actually,
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: we've changed the domain. It's university.com. It's a school which
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: teaches modern wealth creation methods. We teach people how to
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: make websites. We teach people e-com.
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: Why did you call it a PhD pimping hose degree?
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: No, you're talking about an old video which was made satirically.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Why did you call it that? Oh, that was satire.
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: Of course it was.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: You've repeatedly said in interviews since you were arrested... that
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: you have never categorized yourself as a pimp. You don't
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: think you're a pimp, right?
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: Well, what about all the rappers?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Did you ask Ice Cube if he's a pimp and
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: a murderer and a drug dealer?
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: James E.
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: Sold crack.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: I'm not interviewing them.
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: I'm asking you whether you have at any stage in
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: the last 15 years been a pimp.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: Of course I've not been a pimp. I've said I'm
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: a pimp. I've said I'm an astronaut. I've said I'm
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: a cowboy. I've said I'm the strongest man in the world.
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: I've said I'm James Bond. Throw me in jail. They
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: had six months to charge me. Usually the Romanian state,
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: even the American embassy, confirms to me charges within 30 days.
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: With me, they used all six months trying to build
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: a case and find actual victims of an actual crime.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: They couldn't.
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: They charged me on the very last possible day they could,
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: unless they'd have to drop the entire case. And they
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: charged me with garbage because they have nothing.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: There are no victims.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: I've done nothing wrong.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Not according to your client, Danny Pinter. That's our friend,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Piers Morgan, on Talk TV. And specifically, Danny, you hear
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: him claiming that he was never a pimp and he
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: never trafficked anyone, that he also claimed that he was
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: James Bond. He claimed that he was the strongest guy
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in the world. He said, I'm an astronaut. I don't
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: know if any of that's true, but he is denying
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: all of these claims. That's not true, according to your
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: client and many other women. Exactly.
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: Andrew Tate repeatedly has said there's no victim's Well, I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: here to say there are, and I represent, want, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: stand by her and all the victims that have come forward. Additionally,
• 27:50
  Speaker 12: it's interesting. Yes, Andrew Tate has said many wild things,
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: but he hasn't taught courses on all of those things.
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: Not only has he repeatedly called himself a pimp, but
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: he did sell a course called the Pimping Hose Degree
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: and a webcam course, sold these courses specifically teaching men
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: how to Get women on webcam and convince them to
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: give all the money to you. That is what he taught.
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: And those mirror the charges. So I'll leave it to
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: the jury and the public to decide what they think
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: is true or not. But it's interesting that the charges
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: reflect exactly what he described doing himself. And the victim
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: testimony also reflects that. Additionally, he talks about victims not
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: coming forward, but my client for merely cooperating with Romanian
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: authorities has been victim to a smear and harassment campaign
• 28:41
  Speaker 12: from the Tate brothers in their camp for years. She's
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: been sued by them and their proxies in three different lawsuits.
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: They're suing her right now in Florida for her testimony.
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: All she did was give our true accounting of what
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: she experienced in Romania for that she's been sued and
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: her parents have been sued. And she has been smeared
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: online with horrific lies and attacks. And these 10 million
• 29:06
  Speaker 12: followers have jumped in the fray to attack her and
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: harass her. She's received death threats. So this is the
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: risk that victims take to tell their story. And this
• 29:16
  Speaker 12: is why many victims are hiding their identity. This is
• 29:18
  Speaker 12: why the UK is protecting their identity, because this is
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: what happens when someone speaks out about the Tate brothers.
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: The Tate brothers are also facing charges for witness intimidation
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: in Romania, and they're alleged to have attempted to buy
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: off victims.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Greg Morse joining us, veteran trial lawyer. Greg, I want
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to talk to you about witness intimidation because we know
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the Tate brothers have 10 million plus followers. And as
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you just heard, Danny Pinter, chief legal officer, National Center
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: on Sex Exploitation, described her client and the client's family
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: being harassed, getting death threats, being sued. Yet, no, I've
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: got 10 million people three inches up their tailpipe. How
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: can we stop that?
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Well, it's... Don't say followers.
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: It's 10 million losers, because anybody that would watch this
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: for a second is there's something wrong with them, clearly.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: But putting that aside, that's that's the problem today.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: We see this in so many different areas with the
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: Internet and followers. People take it upon themselves to be aggressive.
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: behind that computer screen. Like these guys, most of these
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: people are weaklings when you go up to them and
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: confront them face to face and they cry and whine. However,
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: they can make a family, a victim, a victim's family miserable.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: They're scared.
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: And then you have this inundated amount of people barraging
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: you and your family. However, Trying to link all of
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: that to, you know, the defendant, in this case, the
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: Tate brothers, that's a difficult thing on some level unless
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: there's a direct link to it. So, you know, this
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: is the world we live in today, Nancy. This stuff
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: becomes public. And on an aside, I think the anger
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: should be more with Romania and the U.K., You know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: you just talked about 70 plus charges, all these things
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: and how horrible these guys are. Well, it took them
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: to come to America and for the American jurisdiction to
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: arrest them and to keep them in custody. So the
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: fact remains, Romania obviously has terrible resources, terrible law enforcement.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: They should be ashamed of themselves if these guys did
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: what they're saying they did.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: And the same thing with the UK. Let me get
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: this straight.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: You have 70 plus counts and you botched an investigation
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: where the guys put their crimes essentially or links to
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: it online and had followers.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Come on. I mean, at the end of the day,
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: uk is acting.
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: Wrong here they waited you know for the um extradition
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: to the last possible moment on the 60 days if
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: you want to prosecute these guys get them back and
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: prosecute them stop trying to prosecute them through the media
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: this is irrelevant but so you know the victims are
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: the ones that suffer here and while they're now suffering
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: twice in my opinion at the hands of government in
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: the uk and romania and allegedly at the hands of
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: these two guys.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: And it's terrible for them. But the world we live in,
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: people have followers.
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: And people behind a computer screen, they feel strong and
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: they want to be involved and they want to feel
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: special and they do it in really bizarre ways, just
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: like this. So it's an unfortunate thing, but I call
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: it the white noise. You got to ignore the white
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: noise when you're a victim or a defendant. You just
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: got to ignore it and try to cut yourself off
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: from it because it's a fool's errand and it's not
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: worth to get anxiety over it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Let me see, Morris. Is he actually blue in the face?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Because after that, okay, no, he's flesh-toned. Do we look
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: like we all just fell off the turnip truck? Because
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: we didn't. I just heard Dr. John Delatore joining us.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I need to shrink to respond. First of all, cut
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: his mic. Dr. John Delatore, did you hear all of
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that going on, the blame shifting?
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. Greg Morse, this is why he wins so many cases.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: He takes a focus off the clients, the tape bros, okay?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: He says, it's the world we live in. It's the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: world's fault. It's the, quote, people behind the screens. It's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: their fault. It's UK's fault. It's Romania's fault. It's everybody's fault.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But these two guys that are facing a slew of
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Of serious felonies. Blame shifting. Don't look here. Look there.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: That's a crock.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: Because what it makes other people believe is that everything
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: else is kind of developed to go against the Tate brothers.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: That's what the Tate brothers kind of need in order
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: to establish their cult.
• 34:02
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: It's a fragile narcissism that they're putting out into the world.
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: But other people buy into it. Other people start believing
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: these kinds of things. And when you diffuse their responsibility
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: for their actions and make claims about, you know, how
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: other people should have gotten in the way first, so
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: other people should stop them earlier. All these kinds of
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: things kind of shift and make it so that, well,
• 34:25
  Speaker 13: they must not have been so bad if, you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 13: the governments are taking so long. And, you know, it's
• 34:30
  Speaker 13: it's Romanians government that, you know, that they don't have
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: enough resources, right? All of these things are part and
• 34:37
  Speaker 13: parcel for what these guys do online, which is cultivate
• 34:42
  Speaker 13: a fragile view of masculinity and believing that it must
• 34:47
  Speaker 13: be someone else's fault that they're actually able to succeed.
• 34:52
  Speaker 13: It's not my fault for giving you the education. It's
• 34:54
  Speaker 13: your fault for believing in me. And so that's the scheme.
• 34:59
  Speaker 13: That's the con man element that is associated with the
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: Tate brothers. Now, that's not the only two. There's all
• 35:04
  Speaker 13: kinds of them. But these are the two that seem
• 35:07
  Speaker 13: to put themselves out more and establishing this weird sort
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: of pseudo masculinity for other people to fall into.
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: If any female on the planet has a problem with me,
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: I strongly recommend her to go to the police and
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: try and pursue me for criminal charges. I'm actually such
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: a nice person that I've never had anyone come at me.
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: The BBC has spoken to somebody since your arrest who
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: says exactly those things, that with you it's all manipulation,
• 35:28
  Speaker 15: there's an ulterior motive.
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: To everything you do. Is this Sophie? Oh, it's Sophie,
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: the fake name, no face.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: I was so intent.
• 35:35
  Speaker 15: On wanting to please him and wanting him to be
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: happy that I was just kind of, yeah, okay, do
• 35:40
  Speaker 15: whatever you want.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: And what has she accused me of a crime, this
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: imaginary Sophie?
• 35:44
  Speaker 15: She's making the point that there is an emotional or
• 35:47
  Speaker 15: psychological manipulation.
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: I've asked you a question and I've allowed you into
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: my house.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you a question.
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: Correct, but you're not the boss here.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Wow, you're not the boss. He told her. That is
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: from our friends over at BBC claiming the victims are imaginary.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: It's not real. Well, these indictments in UK and Romania
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: are real. real.
• 36:08
  Speaker 15: You've got the police naming you by name as someone
• 36:12
  Speaker 15: who has a harmful influence on children and on women
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: in the UK and elsewhere because of the things you say,
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: because of the way you present gender relations, the way
• 36:22
  Speaker 15: you say men should treat women.
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: That's very upsetting. And the reason that's very upsetting is
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: because I know that's not true. I'm genuinely a good person.
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: I believe my impact on the world is positive.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Okay. Credit to her. She didn't give up. That is
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: from our friends over at BBC And there we see
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a Tate brother talking about what a great guy he
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: is and how he is a good person. Well, can
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: you explain this, sir? I.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: With my skill level, can make any female do as
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I say. And I say that with absolute conviction. I've
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: never met a woman who will not do the basics
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: of what I say. Bring me coffee, turn up where
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: I tell her to, listen to me, not talk to
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: other men.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Basic things. We've had the sex now. We've had it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: We've had what we wanted.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: So the attention has to drop instantly to set a
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: standard for the relationship. And the relationship standard is as follows.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: You better be nice to me. You better me when
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I want you to. You better do as you're told
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: to get my attention. Otherwise, it's staying down here. You
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: have now won the game.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: So I was like, what assets do I have? Okay,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I have a car. I have this, I have that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: And then I realized I had about five girlfriends, all
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: smoking home. And females are an asset. Attractive females are
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: absolutely an asset. So when I realized I had all
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: these assets, I had to find a way to monetize
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: the assets.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Your goal is.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: To inspire a girl to make money and give you
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: the money. So the way you're going to do that
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: is you have to have some element of influence. And
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: you're going to have that element of influence through her
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: respecting you, looking up to you, and her Believing she
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: needs you, and this is extremely important, because at the
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: beginning she will need you, but then she won't need you.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: But you have to keep that fallacy, keep that dream
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: alive that she can't do this without me to ensure
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: that she doesn't.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Do it without me.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I'm really surprised they have not been attacked behind bars because,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you heard Greg Morse state he was raised
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: by a single mom. I think about my mom and dad,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: but my mom working long hours to help put us
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: through school and everything else, and this guy attacking women
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: like you're hearing? It's disgusting. So, Dr. John De La Torre,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: here's something I don't understand. I understand the charges as
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: laid out by Danny Pinter and Lauren Conlon. What I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: don't understand are the 10 million followers that are paying
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: people to hear this trash. Have you ever been on
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a farm, Della Tori?
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: A pig farm specifically?
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Not a pig farm.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Okay. Then you know what slop is. It's what people
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: feed pigs. It's disgusting. It stinks and they roll in
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: it and they like it. That is what these two
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: are spewing, slop. But people are paying to hear it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with them?
• 39:33
  Speaker 13: Well, I think it depends on the why they're there.
• 39:37
  Speaker 13: There are some people who absolutely believe in the message
• 39:41
  Speaker 13: that these guys are espousing, that, you know, men should
• 39:45
  Speaker 13: be at the top and women should be at the bottom.
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: There are some people that actually believe that. There are
• 39:50
  Speaker 13: some people that believe that the Tate brothers can give
• 39:53
  Speaker 13: them something that they are missing in their lives, whether
• 39:57
  Speaker 13: it is strength or whether it's power, whether it's control.
• 40:00
  Speaker 13: They believe that there's something wrong with them and that
• 40:02
  Speaker 13: the Tate brothers have the answer. All of these people
• 40:06
  Speaker 13: are somewhat deluded into believing that these guys actually care
• 40:11
  Speaker 13: about the plight of man and whatever. But all they
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: really care about is money. So long as they can
• 40:18
  Speaker 13: get money, they will say and do whatever it is
• 40:20
  Speaker 13: that they need to say or do. And that's where
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: you can get 10 million different people all doing and
• 40:26
  Speaker 13: paying for different kinds of things that these guys are offering.
• 40:30
  Speaker 13: And so all of these individuals are part of a
• 40:33
  Speaker 13: cult type following that these guys have slowly cultivated, that
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: have slowly masked the reality of what is actually here,
• 40:43
  Speaker 13: which is they don't care about anybody. Everybody is a commodity.
• 40:47
  Speaker 13: Everybody is an object to be used and disposed of
• 40:50
  Speaker 13: in whatever way they see fit. And they found different
• 40:53
  Speaker 13: ways of entering into these people's lives and getting that
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: money from them, exploiting them in whatever way they see fit.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You know, Dr. De La Torre, I don't want to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: go too deeply into Sigmund Freud, but I wonder how
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: much they must hate and disrespect their own mother for
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: to speak about women this way.
• 41:19
  Speaker 13: They, I mean, they never saw their mother as a,
• 41:21
  Speaker 13: as a real human being. And that's the rub here
• 41:23
  Speaker 13: is that you think that these guys like care about people.
• 41:26
  Speaker 13: They don't care about people. They don't care about their father.
• 41:29
  Speaker 13: They don't care about them. They don't care about anything
• 41:32
  Speaker 13: other than money. Everybody is an object. Everybody is a commodity.
• 41:37
  Speaker 13: These guys have said that everybody's an asset, including their parents.
• 41:41
  Speaker 13: They would exploit their mother.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
• 41:43
  Speaker 13: If they had that opportunity. So they'll do and say
• 41:47
  Speaker 13: whatever it is that they need to say or do
• 41:48
  Speaker 13: because the only thing that they care about is themselves.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: To John Nance joining us, former supervisory special agent, FBI
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: assigned to this jurisdiction of Miami in addition to D.C.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I'd like to hear your take. We heard Greg Morse
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: tune up and he had a point. He's trying to
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: blame everybody but the Tate Bros, but he actually made
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a good point. Why? Why did everything go sideways in
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Romania and UK? And what can be done about it now?
• 42:25
  Speaker 16: Well, like you're saying, I do agree with this point
• 42:27
  Speaker 16: with regard to Romanian law enforcement and, you know, our
• 42:30
  Speaker 16: partners over in the UK. Their standards don't really meet
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: up to our standards. Not that the Bureau or any
• 42:36
  Speaker 16: other law enforcement agency is perfect, but I think that,
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: you know, the standards in Romania leave somewhat to be desired,
• 42:43
  Speaker 16: to say the least. And, you know, the way that
• 42:46
  Speaker 16: we approach law enforcement is very, very different than the
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: way the UK does it. So, you know, I think
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: that's those are some of the issues with regard to
• 42:56
  Speaker 16: seeing justice done in this case. But like I said before,
• 42:59
  Speaker 16: I'm very glad to see that extradition is very, very
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: likely and that these individuals will be facing criminal proceedings
• 43:07
  Speaker 16: in the UK and in Romania.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Lauren Conlon joining us, investigative reporter, contributor at LA Magazine,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: star of Pop Crime TV on YouTube, and so much more. Lauren,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: why are they still here? I have to pay for
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: their Snickers bars and their Three Hots and a Cot.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Why aren't they in Romania? Why aren't they in UK?
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Go away, Tate Bros.
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: Yes, let's just go back to July 18th. That's when
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: they were actually arrested by the U.S. Marshals in Miami.
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: And this is following Britain's extradition request. So what happened was, Nancy,
• 43:51
  Speaker 10: the UK invoked an emergency provision of its extradition treaty
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: with the United States, allowing the brothers to be arrested
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: here while they work on their formal extradition request. And actually,
• 44:04
  Speaker 10: that request and all of the supporting materials is due
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: to Wednesday, September 16th. Now, once the judge gets that,
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: Judge Lewis, then they will set up a hearing, an
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: official hearing to determine whether she deems that they can
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: be extradited to the UK or not to face these charges.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Lauren Collin is right. And all this is going to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: land in the lap of U.S. Magistrate Lauren F.
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: Lewis.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Who is she, Dave Mack?
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: Nancy, she is, as you mentioned, the United States magistrate judge,
• 44:39
  Speaker 11: became that eight years ago. And prior to becoming the U.S.
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: magistrate judge, she worked for a private firm in Miami.
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: She's got a life in service and is not new
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: to the judgeship. And she's after graduating from Fordham. She
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: ended up as a clerk for U.S. District Judge Michael Moore,
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: which is what ended up bringing her to Miami. After
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: that clerkship was over, she was an AUSA in the
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: SDFL for several years. She's got two children, manages to
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: take care of all of this. And by the way,
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: a husband who now works at the law firm that
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: she was with in Miami, Boise Schiller Flexner.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Well, she's no lightweight. If you know or think you
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: know anything regarding this case, and of course, if you
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: know or are a Tate Brothers victim, please dial 800-225-5324.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: We remember American Hero Police Chief Michael Maloney, Greenland PD,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire, shot and killed in the line of duty
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: after 26 years serving and protecting, leaving behind his wife,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: now widow, Margaret, and two sons, Michael and Ryan, American hero,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: police chief, Michael Maloney. Thank you to our guests, but
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us. Nancy Gray signing
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: until then, good night, friend, and a special good night
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: to the Tate Bros.