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Will OJ Simpson go free? Nancy takes your calls! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty two. It is a hearing that everyone will
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Speaker 1: be watching. O J. Simpson will get his shot at freedom.
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Speaker 1: He scheduled to have a prole hearing on Thursday, Nevada.
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Speaker 1: So you former football star is sitting right now in
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Speaker 1: a state prison for robbery in Las Vegas. No, I
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Speaker 1: wasn't dead to hurt anybody. I just wanted my personal things.
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Speaker 1: And I realized and I was stupid. Count one conspiracy
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Speaker 1: to commit a crime guilty, Count to conspiracity met kidnapping guilty.
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Speaker 1: Count three conspiracy meant robbery guilty. I am sorry. I
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Speaker 1: didn't mean to steal any thing from anybody, and I
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Speaker 1: didn't know I was doing anything illegal. The countdown has started.
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Speaker 1: Notorious football star Orenthal James Simpson, known as O J
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Speaker 1: O J. Simpson the Juice, is set to walk free
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Speaker 1: out of a correctional institute where he was placed after
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Speaker 1: being found guilty of being part of an armed robbery.
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Speaker 1: He didn't just straight up to the judge, looked the
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Speaker 1: judge in the eye, and lied, saying he was simply
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Speaker 1: trying to reclaim family heirlooms and had no idea that
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Speaker 1: all of his flunkeys had guns. I'm surprised he didn't
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Speaker 1: get more time. The reality is Simpson is set to
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Speaker 1: walk free. The parole hearing going down in less than
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Speaker 1: seventy two hours. That clock ticking at crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What a travesty. I will never forget
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Speaker 1: the day that O. J. Simpson walked free on a
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Speaker 1: double murder. His wife found in a pool of blood,
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Speaker 1: her head nearly chopped off. A young man no connection
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Speaker 1: to either of them, a waiter at a restaurant she
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Speaker 1: had been at that night, returned with some glasses to
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Speaker 1: her home, dead in the prime of his life. How
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Speaker 1: a jury setting free nobody really knows. But the reality
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Speaker 1: is we knew him do something again, and he did
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Speaker 1: and armed robbery once again, believing he was above the law.
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Speaker 1: But now he's set to walk free. As you know,
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Speaker 1: some some found guilty of two thousand eight of armed robbery, kidnapping,
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Speaker 1: and other charges stemming from an angry and armed confrontation
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Speaker 1: at a sports memorabilia dealer in Vegas. It was in
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Speaker 1: the casino hotel room, you know, with me right now
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Speaker 1: is Art Harris, veteran investigative journalist. He's been on TV, started,
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Speaker 1: I believe, at the Washington Post and more important for
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Speaker 1: right Now covered the O. J. Simpson murder trial. Also
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Speaker 1: with me, thanks psychologists out of New York Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: and we are taking your calls here on serious x M.
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Speaker 1: You know what's amazing, aren't Harris, is that his stint
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Speaker 1: behind bars has been compared to basically a cruise ship
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Speaker 1: with barbed wire club met in the Nevada desert. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a good way to put a cruise ship with
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Speaker 1: barbed wire. A club med in the Nevada desert is
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Speaker 1: how one correctional officer described the prisoner. Simpson has been
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Speaker 1: now for several years, but he's heading to the Nevada
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Speaker 1: border parole and could be released. M M m M.
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Speaker 1: Inmates in Nevada have is saying that love law is
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Speaker 1: easy time. Why do you say it's a club med
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. Let's start with that,
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Speaker 1: arn't Harris? Well, Nancy, you know the reports say he's
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Speaker 1: had access to a gym, softball field, volleyball accords, got
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Speaker 1: ping pong and uh, you know he has access to
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Speaker 1: movie night cable TV. And he's treated like a god.
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Speaker 1: And this is a movie night, movie night, movie night.
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Speaker 1: You my children, you know my children aren't They asked
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Speaker 1: me if they could have a ping pong table, and
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Speaker 1: I said no, that it costs too much. But did
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Speaker 1: I know O J. Simpson has the ping pong table?
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Speaker 1: And from what I've heard, what I've been told, he
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Speaker 1: even has a butler, somebody that does his prison chores.
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Speaker 1: Well he can pay them to. You know, he's been
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Speaker 1: he's been building up all that NFL pension money has
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Speaker 1: been going in into a saving's account and nobody can
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Speaker 1: touch it, not even the gold ones. Rub it in,
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Speaker 1: rub it in? What our Harris, is your most vivid
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Speaker 1: memory well of the debacle trial of O. J. Simpson.
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Speaker 1: You know when I was, you know, at the scene.
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Speaker 1: You know, he had the Tower of Babel, the fifty
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Speaker 1: foot tall skyscraper of reporters. Uh and when he got
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Speaker 1: acquitted Nancy, we had to fight our way through the
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Speaker 1: crowds to climb up those ladders and go on TV
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Speaker 1: and talk about I was sitting next to uh Dominic Dunn,
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Speaker 1: our mutual friend, and he was so appalled that someone
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Speaker 1: called him an anarchist because you know, his daughter was murdered.
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Speaker 1: So he ripped off his microphone and stalked off the
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Speaker 1: set and while the crowd below we're screaming O J
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Speaker 1: O J. And it was it was truly a jubilant
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Speaker 1: day for o J fans and uh people were in
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Speaker 1: shock across the country. So I guess my my sense
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Speaker 1: of sitting up there and watching the see of of
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Speaker 1: injustice celebrated, uh is a pretty uh amazing thing to
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Speaker 1: think about. And here's a guy who who got off
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Speaker 1: by reaching out to those he left long ago to
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Speaker 1: save him. Um, but that that trial was pretty much
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Speaker 1: determined when gil Garcetti picked downtown Los Angeles as the venue,
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Speaker 1: because then he could be tried not by a jury
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Speaker 1: of his peers, but by those he had left behind
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Speaker 1: who had felt abused by the L A p D.
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Speaker 1: And this was a you know many thought of get
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Speaker 1: even verdict. Well, I mean another thing about it with
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Speaker 1: me famed psychologists out of New York in addition to
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Speaker 1: veteran investigative reporter Aunt Harris Karen start another thing is
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Speaker 1: this when you think you know somebody like legions of fans,
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Speaker 1: I thought they knew O. J. Simpson. Remember the commercial.
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Speaker 1: I guess it was for Avis rent a car. I'm
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Speaker 1: not I can't really remember exactly what it was. Sorry, Sorry,
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Speaker 1: it hurts. At least I knew it was a rental car.
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Speaker 1: So he's running through the airport and I think he's
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Speaker 1: got like something in his hands, maybe a bag or
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Speaker 1: some a suit or something, and he's trying to I guess,
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Speaker 1: make a flight. Then he did the movies, and he
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Speaker 1: was beyond football. It wasn't just a football star. I mean,
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Speaker 1: many people thought, Karen start that he was attractive. I didn't,
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Speaker 1: of course. I never think of defendant is attractive physically
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Speaker 1: because I know about them. Okay, um, but attractive to
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Speaker 1: many people athletic, the world at his fingertips, rich, successful,
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Speaker 1: well known, charismatic, and people you know, thought they knew
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Speaker 1: him because he had been in their homes on the
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Speaker 1: TV set. It's hard to get past that when you think, oh,
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Speaker 1: I just don't think Simpson would do it. You know
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Karen? Okay, when people see people on
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Speaker 1: television through the media, they make them median impressions about
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Speaker 1: how they feel about these They sort of feel they
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Speaker 1: are their personal friends, so they have extreme caring, like
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Speaker 1: in the case of Jennifer Roundistan or they have tremendous
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Speaker 1: hatred with Angelina Joliefer being a homebreaker. And in the
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Speaker 1: case of v J, he was seen as an all
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Speaker 1: American hero. Everybody looked up to him. He was one
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Speaker 1: of the first black men to be seen as someone
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Speaker 1: that had made it and was terrific, and so they
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Speaker 1: were very happy to know that he got off. Karen,
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Speaker 1: you just hit on something I think is critically important,
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Speaker 1: and that is your phraseology of all American, all American.
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Speaker 1: Aren't Harris that really describes it, now, you know, Aren't.
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Speaker 1: I went on from the District Attorney's office to to
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Speaker 1: anchor a show with his lead defense attorney, Johnny Cochrane,
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Speaker 1: as you well know, and I was furious Art. As
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Speaker 1: I told you at the time, I blamed Cochrane forgetting
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Speaker 1: Simpson off right or wrong, and I would sit on
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Speaker 1: that set. I would sit there and just seethe. And
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Speaker 1: it took me a long time to accept that Cochrane
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Speaker 1: was doing his job as a defense lawyer. He didn't
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Speaker 1: do the double murder, but I would always say, Cochrane,
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Speaker 1: you know he did it. This would be off camera
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Speaker 1: of course, and he never once God rest his soul,
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Speaker 1: say he was innocent. I'll tell you really did it,
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Speaker 1: or he was innocent. I'll tell you why. Every time
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Speaker 1: art he would say, jury acquitted him. That's all I
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Speaker 1: was saying. And they were brilliant at throwing spaghetti against
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Speaker 1: the wall to see what would stick Nancy. And they
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Speaker 1: created a reasonable down, so much smoke screen in the
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Speaker 1: mind of jurors who may not have believed that he
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Speaker 1: was innocent, but they had something to seize on, They
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Speaker 1: had some excuse, they had something to waive and say, well,
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Speaker 1: this could be true, or that could be true. But
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Speaker 1: you know what, Uh, he might not have made it
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Speaker 1: through those lights near his house. I mean there were
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Speaker 1: so many things, you know, the blood, the contamination that
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Speaker 1: were red herring thrown out there that a jury that
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Speaker 1: was not that astute. You know, they ruled out anyone
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Speaker 1: with high school math or science so they could confuse
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Speaker 1: them with the DNA put them to sleep. I was there,
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Speaker 1: you know, through the whole trial, and the jurors were
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Speaker 1: falling asleep listening to the experts grown on about the
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Speaker 1: odds of the DNA. And you know, we'll see that
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Speaker 1: is when they the lawyer has to jump in and
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Speaker 1: stop the expert and say, bottom line and are you
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Speaker 1: and I were in court together a couple of times,
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Speaker 1: and it's your duty to break in and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: what wait, you know, we're just regular people. You gotta
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Speaker 1: break it down for us. Don't don't talk like a scientist.
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Speaker 1: What are you saying? And I recall distinctly that I
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Speaker 1: would go to the medical Examiner's office repeatedly and work
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Speaker 1: with the medical examiner who were brilliant and get them
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Speaker 1: to talk and regular people talk, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm going to go to the lines. Art
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Speaker 1: Susan in New York high Susan, what's your question? Great?
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Speaker 1: I love? How are you, Susan? I'm great? And can
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Speaker 1: I tell you why I'm great? Because I think there's
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Speaker 1: a very good chance that Simpson may stay behind bars
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Speaker 1: and ps. My twins are now nine years old. My son, Susan,
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Speaker 1: you know, I thought I followed them when you send pitches.
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Speaker 1: I always loved them. You're such a good mother. Oh
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Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I was a better mom. And
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Speaker 1: you know what, Susan, John David my son. Okay, they're
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Speaker 1: in a phase and Art You're gonna love this, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: You're gonna love this because you guys know them too.
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Speaker 1: John David is in a phase where he's wearing all
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Speaker 1: of his clothes inside out and backwards. And Lucy Lucy's
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Speaker 1: trying to play a U kalleile? Are you kalleile? She
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Speaker 1: saw some girl on YouTube with one and that was
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Speaker 1: just it. So that's what's happening with me. And another thing,
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Speaker 1: speaking of the twins, Susan and you work, think about
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Speaker 1: Simpson's children, how they grew up without a mother, right,
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Speaker 1: so sad, tragic and with and with their father. What's
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Speaker 1: your question, Susan in New York? How how can we
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Speaker 1: prevent him from getting out? And I hope oh j
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Speaker 1: Sta Beard, Well, I can tell you this much. He's
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Speaker 1: a threat to whoever he shacks up with next. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know if anything can be done.
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Speaker 1: People have written, people have emailed, people have left messages
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Speaker 1: with the parole board. But the reality is does any
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Speaker 1: of that work? I mean, come on aart Harris Let's
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Speaker 1: address Susan's question. The reality is we have, for instance,
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Speaker 1: Charles Manson and all of his followers. They haven't gotten
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Speaker 1: out that many of them have not gotten out because
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Speaker 1: of pressure, and do you think that's true in this case?
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Speaker 1: Art Harris Nanthy. What's funny is if you notice all
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Speaker 1: the documentaries, the ten part series that one UH an
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Speaker 1: Emmy about o J and the trial and all the players.
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Speaker 1: America steems to be starved for this celebrity. They have
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Speaker 1: gone O had OJ withdrawal for nine years and suddenly
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Speaker 1: the chance that he's getting out and you didn't, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: But I'm saying that just the it's like, there's this
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Speaker 1: this cry in the in the colosseum, you know, we
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Speaker 1: gotta have it is it is quite surreal. Um, it
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with justice, are you talking about?
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Speaker 1: Like when the throng called for uh and they let
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Speaker 1: that's a great That is a great comparison. Nancy, don't
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Speaker 1: even get off with me about dragging him into this.
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Speaker 1: But but I don't want him in this part. So
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Speaker 1: how do you stop that? You know, Uh, it's got
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Speaker 1: to be somebody pulling out something he did. And we've
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Speaker 1: read that a guard actually got him off. Well, there
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Speaker 1: was something he was written up for taking a cookie
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Speaker 1: that was stolen. You knew that, and there was a
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Speaker 1: guard who wrote him up. Yes, he stole, he stole
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Speaker 1: STI look, you know he can he can buy whatever
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Speaker 1: he wants. Do I still have Susan in New York. Susan,
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Speaker 1: listen to this. I was reading about this and it
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Speaker 1: sounds like a little thing. I know it sounds like
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Speaker 1: a little thing, but it is indicative of what he's
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Speaker 1: all about. This guy has basically unlimited funds, unlimited. He's
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Speaker 1: behind bars. He can buy whatever he wants to buy.
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Speaker 1: And the canteen and the commissary and what did he do?
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Speaker 1: He stole He stole cookies and they caught him. I
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Speaker 1: feel bad for the most besides his children, it's the
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Speaker 1: Goldman family because they're never going to bring back his
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Speaker 1: fat boy, their son. And I don't think that he
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Speaker 1: should ever come out of jail again for what he
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Speaker 1: did for all of those people. He ruined so many lives.
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Speaker 1: He's a snake in the grass. He shouldn't come out.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Susan, and I can only hope
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Speaker 1: the parole board hears us today because there will be
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Speaker 1: a hue and cry like no other if this guy
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Speaker 1: walk box. So what I'm saying, aren't here as you
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Speaker 1: brought up the cookie thing. It's not about the cookie.
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Speaker 1: I don't give a flying fig about a cookie. The
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Speaker 1: point is, with all the money he has at his fingertips,
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Speaker 1: he could buy whatever they have in the commissary. But
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Speaker 1: instead he stole. He stole the rules main nothing to
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Speaker 1: him art and he was written up by the guard, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And the guard was persuaded by another guard to tear
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Speaker 1: up her her piece of paper that cited him for
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Speaker 1: this infraction that could have cost him parole. So it's
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Speaker 1: not in the record now, Nancy. So there's no record
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Speaker 1: of this little item. And he's getting credit for helping inmates,
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Speaker 1: for teaching people, for coaching a ball you know, the
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Speaker 1: softball team. Whatever he did behind the bars, he had
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Speaker 1: a hole. He was he you know, he was an
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Speaker 1: idol behind bars. So as a result, uh, you know
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Speaker 1: he in fact, he said to the parole board last time,
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Speaker 1: you know, I feel respected by most of the inmates here.
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Speaker 1: That's that's his whole thing. He wants respect. He mean, Susan,
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Speaker 1: I'm with you. It just turns my stomach because let
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Speaker 1: me tell you, go to our website, Susan, because if
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Speaker 1: you've got the stomach for it, Because the crime scene
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Speaker 1: photos are there, and do I like them? No? I don't.
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Speaker 1: But are they true? Yes? They are? And I've tried
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Speaker 1: many a case where I don't like the evidency. Evidence
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Speaker 1: made me sick, It made me cry and have horrible nightmares. Horrible,
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Speaker 1: but it is the truth and we cannot turn away
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Speaker 1: from it, and hopefully the hopefully the parole board we'll see.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, Susan in New York, thank you
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Speaker 1: for calling us straight out to Dana in Vegas. Hi, Dana,
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Speaker 1: Hi Nancy, how are you? I am fit to be tied.
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Speaker 1: I could chew and nail in half over Simpson about
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Speaker 1: to be paroled and right there in your backyard. What
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Speaker 1: do you think? I know? I know. I hope he
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Speaker 1: doesn't get out. He's a horrible, horrible, evil man, and
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Speaker 1: I hope he stays in for what he did. None
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Speaker 1: of us are biggs want him out. You know. The
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Speaker 1: thing is this, This is my fear. Oh ps. I
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Speaker 1: just took the twins to Las Vegas. Not to gamble,
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Speaker 1: of course, yes I did. But we went to the
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Speaker 1: Hoover Dam. We had an awesome time. We got in
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Speaker 1: one of those helicopters and I took my mom and
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Speaker 1: the twins down into the Grand King and we had
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Speaker 1: the best time. And of course I had to take
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Speaker 1: John David to see David Copperfield, which was awesome. By
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Speaker 1: the way. We had the best time. And so I've
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Speaker 1: got great, great memories of veg. I'm so glad. This
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Speaker 1: is what I'm worried about. And I'm gonna go to
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Speaker 1: you on this art, Harris. The parole board, I guess
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Speaker 1: under the law has to look at the armed robbery,
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Speaker 1: not the double murder art exactly. And and so did
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Speaker 1: he pay for his crime? Did he do his time? Uh?
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Speaker 1: And did he do it without a blemish? And the
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Speaker 1: record will show that he was pretty uh Mark, you know,
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Speaker 1: black Mark free behind bars. And of course he had
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Speaker 1: a few friends looking out for him, including a guard
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Speaker 1: who got another guard to tear up an infraction. But
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Speaker 1: he had the the inmates, as you said, you know,
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Speaker 1: fetching and doing things for him. Uh. And he was respected.
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Speaker 1: He was like a hero behind bars, Nancy. So he's
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Speaker 1: been living in this bubble while people on the outside,
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Speaker 1: like you, were seething, and his fans, I wonder maybe
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Speaker 1: they're expecting him to still be looking for the killer.
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Speaker 1: But the if you if you look at the pictures
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Speaker 1: you have on your website of the crime scene, I
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Speaker 1: wonder if you look really close, you'll see his imprints,
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Speaker 1: his shoeprints in the blood. Remember the Bruno Maglis that
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Speaker 1: were proved to be his and that were tracked to
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Speaker 1: the shoes he bought. I mean, so everywhere you look,
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Speaker 1: Nancy was a reminder that the evidence makes him guilty.
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Speaker 1: How can you avoid the fact that d n A
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Speaker 1: points to o J. It's his blood at the crime scene,
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Speaker 1: It's in the Bronco, was everywhere. And they were able
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Speaker 1: to somehow, using the jury and using the prejudice us
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Speaker 1: and the anger at the l A p D to
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Speaker 1: get between o J. Freedom and justice, and they were
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Speaker 1: able to show the jury with enough reasonable doubt, hey
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Speaker 1: this is you've got enough here to let him walk.
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Speaker 1: And that's what happened. And now then he goes and
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Speaker 1: he messes up, and you know, he holds up some
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Speaker 1: some guy with with his goons with guns to get
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Speaker 1: his quote autograph balls back that he says are his,
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Speaker 1: and and he gets nine years and some say well
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Speaker 1: that was payback, and lined about it and lied about
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Speaker 1: stood up in front of the judge and said he
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Speaker 1: was trying to get family heirlooms. That's a lie. And
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Speaker 1: he also said he didn't know the other people were armed.
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Speaker 1: So Dana in Vegas, I just wonder if we can
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Speaker 1: count on this parole board to do the right thing
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Speaker 1: and keep him behind bars. Another thing, his girlfriend a
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Speaker 1: thirteen years Christie Prody, was very explicit, even as her
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Speaker 1: family members question why would she even date him. She
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Speaker 1: has come forward and stated she feared for her life
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Speaker 1: while she was dating him and that she firmly believes O. J.
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Speaker 1: the new network for crime. Karen Stark, he moved from
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Speaker 1: his advancing community that most people can only dream of
19:58
Speaker 1: where the double murder went down. Then he moves in
20:03
Speaker 1: with the Christine Christie Broke Prody, who says that Simpson
20:08
Speaker 1: subjected her to constant physical and emotional abuse. He threatened
20:13
Speaker 1: to kill her. Of course, he has denied it, and
20:17
Speaker 1: things he told her. Things he told her made her
20:21
Speaker 1: convinced he murdered Nicole and Ron. What about that, Karen Stark, Well, Nancy,
20:29
Speaker 1: the court of public opinion, which certainly has decided at
20:32
Speaker 1: this point for the most part, that he's guilty of
20:34
Speaker 1: the crime, and not the least bit surprised people do
20:37
Speaker 1: believe that he committed those crimes. Once you're an abuser,
20:40
Speaker 1: you're always an abuser. I actually interviewed women in l
20:44
Speaker 1: A wondering if they would go out with him once
20:47
Speaker 1: he got out, and they were blinded by the celebrity,
20:50
Speaker 1: and one who looked a little bit like Nicole who's
20:53
Speaker 1: blind told me, well, I don't think he'd kill me.
20:57
Speaker 1: This is the the stardust in the eyes of someone
21:01
Speaker 1: like a Simpson who is so much as you know,
21:04
Speaker 1: celebrity halo around him, which is so tarnished, but it's
21:06
Speaker 1: still enough. There's still enough pixie dust to to fool
21:10
Speaker 1: a lot of people a lot of the time, and
21:12
Speaker 1: they don't have to look at it. And I hear
21:13
Speaker 1: the great question that that Karen brought up, and that
21:16
Speaker 1: is why didn't the murders matter to the parole board.
21:20
Speaker 1: He's not in jail for that, you know, that was
21:22
Speaker 1: that he got a pass for that in the eyes
21:24
Speaker 1: of the laws, you know, And so they've got to
21:26
Speaker 1: only look at how he has been in prison, and
21:29
Speaker 1: he's got a you know, uh, he got all a's
21:32
Speaker 1: and he was bragging to the parole board. You know.
21:34
Speaker 1: I helped a lot of a minute. So has Leslie
21:36
Speaker 1: Van Houghton. So Charles Manson's followers, they have behaved behind
21:41
Speaker 1: bars and they're still behind bars. So why can't Simpsons
21:45
Speaker 1: stay behind bars? Aren't Karen? Stay with me? Back to
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Speaker 1: the lines, Karen in Kansas City, Karen, thank you for
21:52
Speaker 1: calling into serious x M. What is your question, dear
21:56
Speaker 1: Hi Seed, I've just loved you to death for years.
21:59
Speaker 1: I can just save to begin with, I just loved
22:01
Speaker 1: you for years. Thank you guys, no problem. My husband
22:05
Speaker 1: and I used to watch you like religiously because we're
22:09
Speaker 1: totally for justice. My question is is why is the
22:14
Speaker 1: justice system so unbalanced my son. I have two sons.
22:19
Speaker 1: They've been murdered. One guy gets a hundred and twenty
22:22
Speaker 1: days for shooting him in the head because he says
22:24
Speaker 1: it's an accident. September. Another one was euthanized in his sleep,
22:30
Speaker 1: and they Springfield, Missouri police investigators won't even work it.
22:36
Speaker 1: It's like they're keeping it so like isolated because it's
22:40
Speaker 1: a college. So I've dealt with all this, and I
22:43
Speaker 1: just don't like criminals. And I think he needs to
22:46
Speaker 1: stay in there for the rest of his life. And
22:48
Speaker 1: I just hope they find who killed my son. And
22:51
Speaker 1: I want to something. I gotta tell you something, Karen
22:54
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I hear you. I hear you. And
23:00
Speaker 1: people think that after you're you become a crime victim,
23:04
Speaker 1: which you are, that after time passes, it goes away.
23:08
Speaker 1: That is not true. I know from the murder of
23:11
Speaker 1: my fiancee. Of course, now I have a husband and
23:15
Speaker 1: two wonderful children that have changed my life. I've been
23:19
Speaker 1: so blessed, but I've never forgotten Keith or his murder,
23:25
Speaker 1: and it has changed my whole life. It was devastating.
23:29
Speaker 1: And when I think in this case, um, I'm going
23:32
Speaker 1: to throw this to Aunt Harris, the children of O. J. Simpson,
23:37
Speaker 1: how it must have devastated them. I wonder if they
23:40
Speaker 1: ever actually accepted that their dad murdered their mom. What
23:44
Speaker 1: do you think are how do you accept that? Oh? Uh?
23:47
Speaker 1: You know, how can they possibly accept that? Because if
23:50
Speaker 1: they do, then that means they have no one to
23:52
Speaker 1: look up to, no one to look forward to seeing. Uh.
23:55
Speaker 1: But deep down, Nancy, you have to know they do
23:57
Speaker 1: know because of how their lives maybe have turned out
24:01
Speaker 1: and how they've turned that. You know that I guess
24:04
Speaker 1: loss into sort of a self hatred and uh, Karen
24:08
Speaker 1: and psychologist would know better than me. But I remember
24:11
Speaker 1: speaking of loss. You were the first one you I
24:13
Speaker 1: think I was the first reporter you ever told about
24:15
Speaker 1: about Keith, about your fiance. None of the Atlanta criminal
24:18
Speaker 1: bar understood why you resisted them and fought them so
24:21
Speaker 1: hard for the victims, and they until I guess they
24:25
Speaker 1: realized they saw that story of mind where you, for
24:27
Speaker 1: the first time, many years ago, talked about your loss
24:30
Speaker 1: that you had been a victim too, and so that
24:34
Speaker 1: was a reason that was a very good one that
24:36
Speaker 1: they just I mean, they were trashing you for all
24:38
Speaker 1: sorts of other reasons, but you felt it like this,
24:41
Speaker 1: this this mother on the line who has felt the
24:44
Speaker 1: fallout from personal tragedy, and the Goldman still feel And
24:48
Speaker 1: unless the question was how do you get the pearl
24:51
Speaker 1: board to change it, You've got to have enough of
24:53
Speaker 1: these people who still suffer go before them and give
24:57
Speaker 1: a litany of of if not proof, but of human
25:01
Speaker 1: sorrow that this guy getting out would rub salt in
25:04
Speaker 1: the wounds. And if that overshadows his quote to stellar
25:09
Speaker 1: behavior behind bars, maybe, just maybe they would keep him
25:13
Speaker 1: in for the full sentence. I don't know, Nancy, you
25:15
Speaker 1: know pearl boards better than I, but well I know this,
25:18
Speaker 1: and I know this what Karen in Kansas City just said. Really,
25:26
Speaker 1: I want to say, hurt me in the sense that
25:29
Speaker 1: I thought I had really suffered when Keith was murdered.
25:34
Speaker 1: But the thought that you would lose your children, your child,
25:38
Speaker 1: and she lost two of them. This is what happened
25:41
Speaker 1: to Ron Goldman's parents. They lost their boy, their baby boy,
25:47
Speaker 1: all grown up and handsome, wonderful, slaughtered, slaughtered, And I
25:53
Speaker 1: just want to add when it comes to the children
25:55
Speaker 1: that they're in a bind because it's their father. They
25:58
Speaker 1: have a natural love for their father, and it's very
26:02
Speaker 1: hard to accept that someone that you love that way
26:05
Speaker 1: would actually kill you a month, very very hard. As
26:07
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, every time I've tried a case
26:10
Speaker 1: of homicide where it's domestic homicide, the children were never
26:16
Speaker 1: wanted to accept that the remaining parent committed murder. We
26:19
Speaker 1: are taking calls. I want to go out to Dara
26:23
Speaker 1: in Reading, Pennsylvania. Hi, Dara, thank you for calling. I
26:26
Speaker 1: just wanted to say that I've seen an interview. It
26:29
Speaker 1: was a short, probably less than a minute interview. O
26:32
Speaker 1: J was sitting there and they said he's seventy years
26:34
Speaker 1: old now, and he was talking into the camera and
26:37
Speaker 1: he said, I've missed my children's graduation, I've missed my
26:42
Speaker 1: you know, all these things that he's missed. And he says,
26:45
Speaker 1: not anybody's going to contest my getting out, And he
26:47
Speaker 1: just had that smirk on his face that just when
26:50
Speaker 1: they mentioned the cookie incident, just like he had that
26:53
Speaker 1: smirk on his face when he was trying the glove
26:55
Speaker 1: on where he said, if it doesn't sit, you must
26:58
Speaker 1: have quit that smirk that he has on his face,
27:00
Speaker 1: and I think what he's doing like like I don't
27:03
Speaker 1: know if it's a psychologist that you had on that
27:05
Speaker 1: said that he's so narcissistic that And I think that's
27:08
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He even though he can buy it,
27:10
Speaker 1: he's doing it just to see if he can get
27:12
Speaker 1: away with it. And I think that's exactly why he
27:14
Speaker 1: did it. That's exactly why he did it. And I
27:17
Speaker 1: just and the thing with the parole is just watching him,
27:21
Speaker 1: just putting my personal feelings aside and just looking at
27:25
Speaker 1: him how somebody that I don't that I wouldn't know,
27:27
Speaker 1: like the parole board doesn't know him personally, and how
27:30
Speaker 1: he would say about his children and being a parent,
27:33
Speaker 1: saying well, and you think your children. And I think
27:35
Speaker 1: it's going to depend on how sincere he comes across
27:38
Speaker 1: is what they're going to rule on. I mean, granted
27:41
Speaker 1: his crimes that he committed and got away with, but
27:44
Speaker 1: I think that they just have to stay open minded
27:47
Speaker 1: to this one case and that's what they have to
27:49
Speaker 1: base their decision on. And they're gonna look even though
27:52
Speaker 1: they may have heard about this cookie. They can't use
27:54
Speaker 1: that because he was never wrote up for it. So
27:58
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's going to two and with
28:00
Speaker 1: them puppy dog eyes, and it'll feel bad for me
28:03
Speaker 1: and and I just that's just my personal opinion. But
28:06
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't get out, but I have a
28:08
Speaker 1: strong feeling he probably will. I hope the parole board
28:13
Speaker 1: will see through that charade, that mask he's been wearing,
28:18
Speaker 1: and I think you're absolutely right that he will play
28:21
Speaker 1: that game, Dara. Thanks Joe in Miami, Hi, Joe, what's
28:26
Speaker 1: your question? I I don't have a question. I have
28:28
Speaker 1: a comment because I met him when he came back
28:31
Speaker 1: to hard He had a home here, and one day
28:34
Speaker 1: I left my UH, I left my quality service to Lincoln,
28:38
Speaker 1: Mercury and Coral Gables, went to the golf course, came
28:40
Speaker 1: back late afternoon and carrying my golf bag, and I
28:44
Speaker 1: heard a voice say those are pretty good clubs. I said, yeah,
28:47
Speaker 1: they are, and it was Oh j about fifteen feet away,
28:51
Speaker 1: waddling towards me. And I decided not to call him
28:55
Speaker 1: what I wanted to if I ever ran into him,
28:58
Speaker 1: a a effing murderer. I decided I couldn't do that.
29:04
Speaker 1: He came up to me, he tried to tell me
29:06
Speaker 1: that he had an investigator looking for the murderer, and
29:09
Speaker 1: of course all of that, and he gave me a
29:12
Speaker 1: lot of crap, and I simply said, um, I never
29:15
Speaker 1: shook hands, never said that his car was ready, and
29:20
Speaker 1: he left. And my impression was he didn't need me
29:24
Speaker 1: to call him names, because he'd have to think about
29:27
Speaker 1: what he did every day for the rest of his life.
29:30
Speaker 1: You know, Joe, it's amazing to me that you would
29:34
Speaker 1: stand up and say that when he could have punched
29:39
Speaker 1: you with one hand and knocked you flat. You did
29:43
Speaker 1: what a lot of people wouldn't have the guts to
29:46
Speaker 1: do with me, is aunt Harris. He was at the
29:49
Speaker 1: trial every day. We covered the trial together at the time.
29:53
Speaker 1: I was still a felony prosecutor at the time. The
29:56
Speaker 1: legal reasoning for parole, as we all know, is as
30:01
Speaker 1: did the person do their time? Is there a reason
30:03
Speaker 1: to keep them behind bars? Have they committed any prison violations?
30:09
Speaker 1: But here's the deal, it's bigger than that. And I
30:11
Speaker 1: really believe Art that we are on the brink. And
30:15
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, yes, they could let
30:20
Speaker 1: him go but also Art, they can keep him. It
30:25
Speaker 1: is solely within their discretion a parole board. There is
30:29
Speaker 1: no appeal from a parole board. There is can be
30:33
Speaker 1: taken if the Nevada Supreme Court. But if you look
30:37
Speaker 1: at the the arrogance that has gone into his his
30:41
Speaker 1: life of of denial thinking he's above the law. Going
30:45
Speaker 1: back to to Nicole, he blaming you know, him blaming
30:50
Speaker 1: her for she got what she deserved. You know, my
30:52
Speaker 1: investigation of him and their lifestyle, he did a lot
30:57
Speaker 1: of cocaine and he was the one who introduced it
30:59
Speaker 1: into their relationship and he had a real problem. But
31:01
Speaker 1: his ability as a narcissistic personality is to compartmentalize his
31:06
Speaker 1: responsibility and what he saw provoked him to do what
31:10
Speaker 1: quote he had to do that you know, she deserved it.
31:13
Speaker 1: So this is a total injustice to allow someone who
31:18
Speaker 1: can justify themselves, you know, into taking a life in
31:22
Speaker 1: two lives like he did. Art. It was predicted that
31:26
Speaker 1: once he was acquitted the first time, somebody would take
31:29
Speaker 1: a shot at him. That never happened. As a matter
31:31
Speaker 1: of fact, he became a celebrity post acquittal and fortune
31:36
Speaker 1: signing autographs. Yeah, people loved around and paid him. And
31:41
Speaker 1: the other thing is this, he's been signed photographs and
31:44
Speaker 1: autographs behind bars like a machine. I've been told reportedly
31:49
Speaker 1: making tons of money behind bars. Right now, I want
31:53
Speaker 1: the right thing to happen. I want justice, and justice
31:57
Speaker 1: is that he not get out the parobe or can
32:00
Speaker 1: keep him in if they want to out to the lines.
32:05
Speaker 1: Julie and Jacksonville. Hi, Julie, Hi, it's nice to talk
32:10
Speaker 1: to you too. I have a real quick question, okay me.
32:13
Speaker 1: I think you've always done a wonderful job by the
32:15
Speaker 1: way I followed you for years. Thank you. My question is,
32:18
Speaker 1: if he does get paroled, doesn't he have civil jud
32:21
Speaker 1: judgments against him? What is the possibility that if he
32:24
Speaker 1: does get paroled that he's going to have to pay
32:26
Speaker 1: financially for the rest of his life. Yes, he does
32:29
Speaker 1: have a thirty million dollars scial judgment agains him had Art.
32:34
Speaker 1: You see. The thing about that is that his NFL pension.
32:37
Speaker 1: The way is to find that is actually protected from
32:41
Speaker 1: any possible judgment he is. You know, he's got this
32:44
Speaker 1: money he's been building up every year since he's been
32:46
Speaker 1: behind bars, his annual income from the pension, and so
32:49
Speaker 1: he's coming out a much richer man than he went
32:51
Speaker 1: in because he hadn't been able to spend it and
32:53
Speaker 1: throw it away on on various pursuits. But you can't.
32:56
Speaker 1: The Goldman's can't touch it, nor can they touch all
32:59
Speaker 1: the money you just and he got from signing footballs
33:02
Speaker 1: and autographs and signal and and photographs behind bars or
33:05
Speaker 1: at these shows. And that's how he made a fortune
33:09
Speaker 1: in cash. And never use that because he did it
33:11
Speaker 1: in cash and kept it under the table. And that's
33:14
Speaker 1: and that's why these you know, even this though arn't
33:18
Speaker 1: from all all the years since he was acquitted back
33:21
Speaker 1: to Julian Jacksonville, he never paid them one red penny never.
33:27
Speaker 1: I don't know how he was making all his money never.
33:30
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you when you don't know a horse,
33:32
Speaker 1: look at his track record. He's not gonna pay a
33:35
Speaker 1: penny and he's gonna walk scott free on it. The
33:38
Speaker 1: clock is ticking down. It is now less than seventy
33:41
Speaker 1: two hours till a parole board will hear evidence to
33:45
Speaker 1: determine whether notorious football great or enthal James Simpson, who
33:50
Speaker 1: many believe is responsible for the brutal murders of two
33:55
Speaker 1: people Nicole Brown. Ron Goldman, then convicted at trial in
33:59
Speaker 1: an armed robbery, once again believing he's above the law,
34:03
Speaker 1: will walk free with me. Thanks. Psychologists out of New
34:07
Speaker 1: York here and Stark and Ace investigative journalist reporter Art Harris,
34:13
Speaker 1: and we are taking your calls out to James in Auburn, Maine. James,
34:18
Speaker 1: thank you for calling. What is your question? Um, Well,
34:21
Speaker 1: my question is this, Nancy. If O J does walk,
34:24
Speaker 1: does it does it mean that he's gonna end up
34:26
Speaker 1: have the having like bodyguards protecting him because it's I mean,
34:30
Speaker 1: there's lots of people out there that don't like him.
34:32
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have nothing against the guy himself,
34:34
Speaker 1: but I'm just afraid that if he gets out and
34:37
Speaker 1: he does walk, if he's you know, his life may
34:39
Speaker 1: be in danger because there are people out there that
34:41
Speaker 1: want to you know, ring his netro for all the
34:44
Speaker 1: crimes that he's done. You know, interesting question, James. All
34:48
Speaker 1: the years that I've been in the criminal justice business,
34:51
Speaker 1: since has been since my fiancee was murdered many many
34:54
Speaker 1: years ago, I've always heard about quote jail house justice,
34:58
Speaker 1: Oh this guy did this on the outside. Then the
35:01
Speaker 1: guys in jail are going to get him for that.
35:03
Speaker 1: Very rarely happens. And when you don't know what's gonna
35:08
Speaker 1: happen in the future, Look what's happened in the past.
35:11
Speaker 1: All those years after Simpson was acquitted, nobody did anything.
35:16
Speaker 1: Nobody and another thing. People actually loved him, James in
35:22
Speaker 1: aubur Main. They wanted their pictures with him, They wanted
35:25
Speaker 1: his autograph, his his autographed photo, selfies running up to
35:31
Speaker 1: him at restaurants and events. I mean, he couldn't beat
35:34
Speaker 1: the people off. And this is after all that evidence
35:38
Speaker 1: came to light. So I doubt pretty seriously that anything
35:42
Speaker 1: is gonna happen to O. J. Simpson when he walks,
35:45
Speaker 1: other than he'll shack up with another Nicole Brown look
35:48
Speaker 1: alike and he'll keep that football pension coming in and
35:53
Speaker 1: rolling in money from signing memorabilia and getting paid cash
35:58
Speaker 1: under the table. That's what I think is going to happen, James.
36:00
Speaker 1: It said, we will probably commit another crime. What do
36:02
Speaker 1: you think is gonna happen, James, I don't know. It's
36:05
Speaker 1: just I hope he stays out of trouble and he
36:06
Speaker 1: doesn't cause any more than what he's already you know,
36:10
Speaker 1: And I kind of hoping that they don't release him.
36:12
Speaker 1: I'm praying, I've been praying every night that they keep
36:15
Speaker 1: him in jail. But you know, it's up to it's
36:17
Speaker 1: up to them what they want to do, you know.
36:19
Speaker 1: So I just I just pray that whatever happens, that
36:23
Speaker 1: you know that it's it's going to be a good thing,
36:25
Speaker 1: that that he you know, will will hopefully learn a
36:29
Speaker 1: lesson from all this, if he does at all. So
36:31
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. I mean, all we
36:34
Speaker 1: can do is watch, hope and pray. What what do
36:38
Speaker 1: you think about the parole board members aren't Harris. Do
36:41
Speaker 1: you think they're feeling any pressure as it relates to this. Well,
36:45
Speaker 1: they've got to be feeling, you know, being in the crossfire.
36:48
Speaker 1: But they're not very public figures, so it's not like
36:51
Speaker 1: their their photos are out there on Facebook and people
36:53
Speaker 1: can single them out and you can lobby them like
36:56
Speaker 1: you would your congressman. They're they're pretty much above I
36:59
Speaker 1: know who they are, Okay, Tony Corda, Susan L. Jackson,
37:03
Speaker 1: Adam Endel, and the chairman, Connie S. Bisbee. What I
37:07
Speaker 1: don't understand is why the folks who are feeling the
37:10
Speaker 1: pain from or would be feeling it if he is
37:12
Speaker 1: let go. Uh, there has not been a concerted effort
37:16
Speaker 1: to somehow quantify the torment that they have felt all
37:20
Speaker 1: the years, and they would feel the salt being rubbed
37:24
Speaker 1: in their wounds by him walking around free. Why that
37:26
Speaker 1: hasn't been put in front of them or hasn't been
37:29
Speaker 1: We haven't really felt the weight of it. We don't
37:32
Speaker 1: know what they have felt from that. I have a
37:34
Speaker 1: few specifics. It's my understanding that Parole Board is appointed
37:37
Speaker 1: by the governor. I know exactly who the Parole Board
37:40
Speaker 1: members are who are going to determine simpsons fate. They
37:43
Speaker 1: are Tony Corda c O R d A, Susan L. Jackson,
37:48
Speaker 1: Adam Endel E N D E L and the chairman,
37:51
Speaker 1: Connie S. Bisbee B brother I S B E E.
37:56
Speaker 1: There's a chance they could split two to two. There
37:58
Speaker 1: are normally seven commissioners in total, three of them normally
38:02
Speaker 1: stationed in the boards Vegas office. If the four commissioners split,
38:07
Speaker 1: the other three are typically called in to continue the voting,
38:10
Speaker 1: with a minimum four votes for one side needed to
38:14
Speaker 1: determine an outcome. But Commissioner Maurice Silva retired June thirty.
38:20
Speaker 1: Now there are only six board members. The new commissioner
38:24
Speaker 1: won't officially assume position until after the hearing, so if
38:28
Speaker 1: they're deadlocked in that rare case, Simpson will be denied
38:34
Speaker 1: parole for another six months. Then there will be a
38:37
Speaker 1: follow up hearing. This is going down this Thursday. This
38:45
Speaker 1: goes down Nevada time ten a m. Now. We anticipate
38:51
Speaker 1: the decision to be announced on Thursday. Deliberations usually don't
38:58
Speaker 1: take a lot of time, and we anticipate no more
39:01
Speaker 1: than twenty to thirty minutes to come for the Parole
39:04
Speaker 1: Board to come back onto the record. Sometimes hearings are
39:08
Speaker 1: not conducted with a full majority, but we believe we
39:12
Speaker 1: will have a decision Thursday. The hearing itself will take
39:17
Speaker 1: place in Carson City, Nevada, where the Nevada Board of
39:22
Speaker 1: Parole Commissioners will meet. That is what I know right now.
39:28
Speaker 1: If he's denied parole, uh, he will continue behind bars
39:33
Speaker 1: with a anticipated with an anticipated date of nine twenty two.
39:41
Speaker 1: How many votes does it require for him to be
39:44
Speaker 1: paroled for and what is next for him? If he
39:48
Speaker 1: has paroled, the board will review the parole plan. Halfway
39:54
Speaker 1: houses are usually requested as a plan. If there's no
39:58
Speaker 1: other residents available, we're gonna note most likely on Thursday.
40:04
Speaker 1: That's what I know. Let's go straight out to the lines, Elizabeth,
40:08
Speaker 1: Pasco County, Florida. Hi Elizabeth, what's your question? So excited
40:13
Speaker 1: to be on? Well? What do you think? You know?
40:17
Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying the parole boards should
40:19
Speaker 1: let him go because he has not had any infractions.
40:21
Speaker 1: Behind bars? I say no, absolutely not, and hopefully the
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Speaker 1: parole board will have some degree of decency and keep
40:32
Speaker 1: this guy behind bars. I mean it goes all the
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Speaker 1: way from a double murder, two allegations he beat his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend when he got acquitted, two armed robbery, all the
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Speaker 1: way to stealing a cookie behind bars as if he
40:50
Speaker 1: didn't have the money to buy whatever he wanted. Elizabeth. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I think you should stay behind bars. If you disagree
40:56
Speaker 1: with me, tell me why. I'm I'm afraid for I'm
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Speaker 1: afraid this this guy is gonna get loose in Florida
41:03
Speaker 1: and I personally don't want him in the state of Florida.
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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, he's coming to Florida, Elizabeth, because he'll
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Speaker 1: want to get another house there and under the law
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Speaker 1: of Florida. Those civil judgments can't take away his house.
41:17
Speaker 1: I don't blame you who wants O. J. Sipson in
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Speaker 1: their backyard? You want to run into him at publix? Uh?
41:24
Speaker 1: Remember right what? Elizabeth right out there too? Because I
41:28
Speaker 1: know people in Miami that said they see him on
41:30
Speaker 1: the golf courses. I heard another caller said they ran
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Speaker 1: right into him on the golf course. So he's he's
41:35
Speaker 1: He's like, immediately he goes into I'm a celebrity, the
41:39
Speaker 1: whole thing starts again. I hear you, Elizabeth in Pasco County.
41:43
Speaker 1: You know I have the parole board thinks about Floridians
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Speaker 1: as well. K and San Diego. Hi, K, what's your question? Hi?
41:50
Speaker 1: I just wondered, you know how much his popularity influences
41:55
Speaker 1: the parole board and over rides ASICs. Now, if you
42:02
Speaker 1: put a woman in his shoes and she did all
42:06
Speaker 1: of that, there are two standards, one for men and
42:09
Speaker 1: one for women, it wouldn't be carried on. And b
42:14
Speaker 1: is considered or considerate the the against the woman. As
42:21
Speaker 1: the man has he has more privileges. Oh, there's definitely
42:26
Speaker 1: a double standard. Kay. In San Diego, nobody likes to
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Speaker 1: talk about it, but there is a double standard. You're right,
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Speaker 1: he would have been behind bars at the get go.
42:37
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And your question is how much
42:39
Speaker 1: does celebrity play into it? A lot? Now it did
42:43
Speaker 1: bother that Nevada jury. They convicted him, and I only
42:47
Speaker 1: hope the parole board. Who you cannot appeal a parole
42:52
Speaker 1: board decision. I hope they have the backbone to keep
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Speaker 1: him from keep him behind bars. K and San Diego
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Speaker 1: fingers crossed. Thank you for calling, Joe and in Ohio,
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Speaker 1: Hi Joe, and thank you for calling. What is your question?
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Speaker 1: I was great, love you, Thank you. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm a little confused about all this with oj um yea.
43:14
Speaker 1: I've been watching you SIPs core TV. I'm sure remember
43:16
Speaker 1: when I was on with Johnny Cochrane. Now that was something.
43:20
Speaker 1: What's your question, dear, Well, I don't know. I'm a
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Speaker 1: little I'm confused with o j over here. Um. First
43:27
Speaker 1: of all, I don't know why everyone's putting the double
43:31
Speaker 1: murder in with this case. He got acquitted of it.
43:34
Speaker 1: I don't know why. And I think he got over
43:36
Speaker 1: killed on this case because of the murders. You know
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Speaker 1: that he got acquitted of and I don't think that's there.
43:43
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not and I'm not sure if he
43:44
Speaker 1: killed him or not. Well, I hear what you're saying.
43:47
Speaker 1: And you know what, Aunt Harris, A lot of people
43:50
Speaker 1: think that they do as they are entitled to think
43:53
Speaker 1: what they want. What about it, Aunt Harris? What is
43:55
Speaker 1: justice for O? J? Simpson answer? You know, he's someone
43:58
Speaker 1: who who loves the adulation and loved the acceptance at
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Speaker 1: the country club. Now the worst thing that's happened to
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Speaker 1: him is that he's been banned from private clubs. He
44:07
Speaker 1: has to play golf on a public course. Are you
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Speaker 1: kidding me? You know what? I wish I could just
44:13
Speaker 1: reach through this microphone and gant and remind your ears
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Speaker 1: and shake you. Are you did you actually just tell
44:22
Speaker 1: me his punishment? He's got to play the public course?
44:24
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? And that's right? And you know,
44:26
Speaker 1: in his mind he has been accepted in spite of
44:29
Speaker 1: all that, if you see, I mean, celebrity trump justice
44:32
Speaker 1: in this case, as it often does, but in his
44:34
Speaker 1: case especially. And so he went back out and he
44:37
Speaker 1: was playing golf, but he couldn't get back into his
44:39
Speaker 1: private clubs because he was a prior. I think I've
44:42
Speaker 1: got Charlotte in Florida. Hi Charlotte, what's your question, dear? Yes,
44:47
Speaker 1: my question is when O J said he would spend
44:51
Speaker 1: all his time and money finding the murderer of his
44:56
Speaker 1: ex foye, why didn't he just look in the mirror?
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Speaker 1: Because he did it? Any belief that, Arlotte? What what
45:05
Speaker 1: is your take on whether he should walk? Oh? I
45:09
Speaker 1: think he should stay right where he is behind bars.
45:12
Speaker 1: He should have been there all this time. I agree.
45:15
Speaker 1: And this this is what is This is what's bugging me, Charlotte.
45:19
Speaker 1: Everyone is a lot of people are saying, well, this
45:22
Speaker 1: is not about the double murder, and they're right about that,
45:25
Speaker 1: But you know what, It's about justice. And right now,
45:29
Speaker 1: those parole board members have the power at their fingertips
45:34
Speaker 1: to seek justice and do the right thing. It is
45:38
Speaker 1: within their discretion. Whether he stays in or walks, it
45:43
Speaker 1: is not appealable. They have the power at their fingertips
45:47
Speaker 1: to make this decision. And yes, this is not about
45:51
Speaker 1: the double murders, but this is about seeking justice. So
45:57
Speaker 1: Art Harris, give me your best guess. Are they to
46:00
Speaker 1: let him go? Art? Nancy Uma sadly sadly, Um I
46:04
Speaker 1: think they might, and I think that the reason would
46:06
Speaker 1: be they don't want to discourage other inmates. But what
46:09
Speaker 1: is the bigger message here that they will condone a
46:12
Speaker 1: certain level of evil in the world. I don't know.
46:16
Speaker 1: What matters to me is justice. Justice was not served
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Speaker 1: originally and this is a chance to get justice. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend.