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This is a very special podcast and I'm so happy that Joel
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Garvin has come by and he's going to talk with me about
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UFOs, ancient civilizations, modern abductions, government
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cover-ups. The whole nine yards.
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Joel is an engineer by trade and an expert on the ranch a book
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teachings, as well as having a foot, a Bigfoot, in the ufology
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world assure you, this will be an exciting conversation this
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time up, mommy Rancho, Radio podcast.
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Yes. Joel Garbin has been on our
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program along with a couple times and he sort of a kind of
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he and I have in common some techy stuff, sort of the way
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they would look at the ranch of book is very similar and if you
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if you've listened to any of our previous interviews you
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understand that Joel is not only a smart guy but he's very smart
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about the Urantia book too and that's why we decided to have
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him back on you know of late. I I started talking again Joel
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about a u.s. a UFO conference and you and I were sharing some
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e-mails back and forth and I think one of the things in my
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earlier years I was very much into the UFO Knology thing that
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was going on because like so many other people I was always
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curious about the past and why there seemed to be ancient
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civilizations and where did they come from and what happened to
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those people. But once I really got into my
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study of the Rancho book, I felt satisfied.
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I'd that the ranch look pretty much addressed all of the
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ancient civilizations, just by The Narrative of having verse
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the caligastia 100 and then later appearing the Adam i'ts
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and then Melchizedek so, in a strange, kind of way you could
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say they are Extra-Terrestrial because they weren't from here,
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but they came here and they were Advanced and I thought I'd talk
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to you about it because I know in our last conversation, we did
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talk about ufologists It and the sort of interconnecting tissue
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between ufology and your auntie book.
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So let's talk about that a little bit.
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Where do you think? How do you assess the world?
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Now, everybody seems really excited about life on other
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planets, and UFOs, and alien visitors.
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What's your sense of what's about to happen or what's
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happening in the ufology community?
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Well, let me give you a little bit of context here.
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Jim on this whole excitement about the whole UFO, ET field.
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So, just in the last couple weeks, there's been an
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interesting juxtaposition of what I would call three discrete
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events. One was this the world's largest
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UFO ET related conference called Contact in the desert?
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And that was just held a couple weekends ago, right?
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Outside of Palm Springs. I happen to be a speaker at that
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conference, on a topic related to Boat the Rancher book and
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ufology and some other embedded topics in their religion and
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climate science, and breakthrough, energy, and kind
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of like trying to bring those things together.
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Show some common threads there, but one of the highlights of
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that conference was a panel presentation by some of the
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leading UFO, researchers on the planet and kind of giving the
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State of the, of the field relating to that topic.
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And it was really fascinating. Many of these researchers have
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been personal friends of mine for four decades and it's always
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incredible to kind of get caught up with them on what the latest
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is. And there were some things that
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definitely I had learned new about how far things have come
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including On The Whistleblower testimony that's been going on a
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plate. So that conference was kind of
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the the first little foray into the recent activities.
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Then just a couple days later there was revealed in the news
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about a very high-level intelligence Community.
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Whistleblower is name is David grush and he's gotten a fair
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bit. bit of press coverage because he had made a basically
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gave some interviews that revealed he had recently
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submitted his sworn testimony in front of the US Senate
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intelligence committee select committee on intelligence and
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his testimony had to do with the fact of their being In a secret
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program within the US government embedded in the military that
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has operated and active alien crash retrieval program.
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So, alien spacecraft, they've operated this for decades that
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they have. In fact, retrieved actual UFO,
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physical craft, as well as bodies on a number of occasions.
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Occasions and he filed a formal whistleblower, complaint with
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the intelligence Community Inspector General, that
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complaint had to do with reprisals that he has
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experienced. As both a US military US, Air
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Force military officer and as an intelligence operative within
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both the The National geospatial Intelligence Agency and the
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national reconnaissance office is he's been an intelligence
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employee in both of those agencies as well.
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And so his complaint had to do with some reprisals from the
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intelligence Community against his attempt to to be a
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whistleblower on this whole topic.
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So he maintains that there has been a secret Program within our
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government and that our own us intelligence Community has has
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inappropriately withheld key information on that topic from
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Congress. And the the Inspector General
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for the US intelligence Community has just stated that
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his complaint is credible and Urgent, pretty strong words.
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Okay, so no, let's let's and summation here then.
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The ufologists a community is all a stir because we seem to
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have evidence. Now that the government at
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Lisa's acknowledging or we have evidence to show that they're
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very well aware that there's been extraterrestrial activity
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to meet to that. I would say as of your Ranch of
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book, reader, big deal, you know, because I already accept
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the premise that we have been visited numerous times by super
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intelligent life. Forms.
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I get it, I'm there. So now let's move on to the next
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step who are these who are these visitors, where they coming
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from. Are they coming from you?
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Versa, are they coming from Jerusalem?
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Where are they coming from? The Pleiades?
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Are they green and alien or they spiritual?
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And super mortal beings, like the kinds that we've had
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experiences with, in the past, it's like that Richard Dreyfuss,
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you know, in Close Encounters of the 3rd time where he slammed
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his hand on a, on the desk. And he says, who the hell are
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you people? Okay.
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So, who are they? Who are these?
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These Alien Invaders, in your opinion.
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Yeah, well that's a great question.
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I think some more of the context here to examine that question
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has to do with some of the information that was provided by
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a very well-known researcher on the topic name.
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Dr. Steven Greer who also just last week held a two-day
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conference on disclosure of The Whistleblower testimony.
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These are other whistleblowers Blowers.
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And and then that, that two-day conference was followed up by a
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two-hour National Press Club, press conference in Washington
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d.c., this was just last Monday in fact Byron bullets us
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attended both bat full weekend, two-day conference and the
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national Press Club conference I was hoping to go to that dr.
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Greer had invited me to come to that as his guest but I couldn't
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because Other priorities, but Byron was there.
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I had a chance to kind of debrief with him to see what he
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heard, what he experienced. He said it was, it was very
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sober, very moving actually even quite emotional hearing the
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testimony that was provided and one of the things that that dr.
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Greer have revealed during that press conference, was that the
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estimate is that there have been between T and 70 species.
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Of, you know, aliens or humans from other planets that had been
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visiting our planet here. That's a, that's a large number.
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And these are, these are physical beings apparently that
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doesn't exclude that. There might be other types of
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beings, who, who can reveal themselves somehow in some way
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that aren't fully material, but we're talking dozens, Yeah.
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Well your but again races within within the context of the bigger
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picture which is how I view it, we already know from the ranch
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book narrative, there are upwards of a billion seraphic
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beings on our world at this very moment.
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So, what's the big what to do about the space?
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People who come travel they come see us, they don't ever let us
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see them. They never, they always go to
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the intelligence Community, which I think is a contradiction
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in terms when you're talking about the United.
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States intelligence because it's the United States and they're
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very rarely intelligent in my opinion because while there are
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about as secrets and because they think we can't handle it, I
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think people could handle it. And why don't these aliens go to
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one of your conventions? That would be great.
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Like, you know, when Captain Kirk shows up at a Star Trek
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convention? Why doesn't one of the greys
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show up and start talking to us? I mean it sounds like I'm
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joking. But come on now we're way past
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the suspense you know? Don't they show themselves?
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That's that's my one. My one gripe.
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Yeah. Well it's so this is a really
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good question. Jim.
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And now I would maintain that that largely these beings have
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not just appeared to intelligence Community or
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military officials or leaders of Nations or whatever that they
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frequently have shown themselves to regular citizens of all
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Stripes of all nationalities. I mean, there are millions of
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people who have had their experiences of various forms of
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contact that might have been sightings of UFOs.
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That might have been sightings of some type of crash evidence,
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or or having actual contact with beings directly.
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And, you know, and I have had, I've had my own direct personal
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experiences of the phenomena, both both singular.
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Early and in a group on several occasions and so you know there
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are different stages of the of these contact experiences but I
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think it's been happening to many, many people on this planet
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now why don't they show up in? Like a mass formation of of you
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know Mothership and little Scout ships at conferences in at the
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fairground and all that. That I can't really speak to
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that. But certainly there have been
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well documented sightings of multiple crafts in various parts
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of the world. I've seen much of the film
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footage of this, I've talked to various folks who have who are,
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you know, these are credible people regular folks, as well as
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military inside or Witnesses, who have given me their
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testimony on the things that they've seen activities.
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They've been part of including Oh, Terry programs, and and also
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involved in suppression of that information, a come out into the
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media and such. So, so these these contact
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experiences are much more widespread than what one might
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think. Now, you're your question about,
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you know, who are they, where are they coming from?
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You know, what are they alike? Are these just Spiritual Beings?
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I would say, no, they're not. Evil beings.
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For the most part they aren't these aren't Angelic beings that
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we can't see because, of course we can't.
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We can't register the presence of a spiritual being with our
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physical sense faculties. So we wouldn't even know if a
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seraphic Garden is right next to us.
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And I do believe they are, but these beings that have have, you
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know, been the subject of these contact experiences Large layer
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material and they have material craft that they operate actual
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Mechanical Devices. Now, they may be much more
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sophisticated than what we have is.
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Our typical technology on this planet, but they have figured
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out how to navigate Interstellar distances.
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So, let's consider in, in terms of the, your Rancho book.
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What? Physical Beings who are not
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native to this planet. Have actually been part of the
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history of this planet. I think we can start with the
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life carriers. Okay, so we know, going back,
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hundreds of millions of years, your answer book says that these
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things, the life carrier order came to this planet and they
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came here. After performing certain
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experiments of Life, formulation in Laboratories On the life
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carriers, fears, that that are around the universe
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headquarters. Okay, salvington, so these
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beings actually have have the assistance of Electro chemists
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and physicists. That's that's actually called
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out in the Rancher book and they, they operate Laboratories.
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That's not some etheric little kind of fantasy or thought-form.
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These are Actual physical Laboratories where they do
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experiments now, it says, in the book that when they they came
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here for the light implantation that they didn't actually bring
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a life-form with them to implant but that they conducted the
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formulations for Urantia actually, here on the planet
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that meant they brought Laboratories with them.
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Well, how do you do that? You don't bring that on a
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seraphic transport. You Bring that on some type of
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actual craft, you know, because you're talking a physical
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laboratory. It's going to come on a physical
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craft because they're doing actual physical experiments in a
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life. Carriers are described as being
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three phase beings they have options to be in three different
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phases. One being kind of semi material
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once kind of a semi more enjoyable but the third is an
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actual physical form where they can manipulate Electrochemistry
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and can can actually perform physical operations, which would
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include laboratory experiments, and, and planting something in
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an ocean or whatever and such. So the life, carriers are the
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first actual physical beings that appeared on this planet.
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Now, we kind of progress, you know, further down in history, a
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few hundred million years. We get to, you know, 500 a
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thousand years ago, the arrival of caligastia and his corporeal
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staff of 100. Okay?
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So these are, these are 100 ascendant Mortals from other
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planets who were, you know, who had lived their life on those
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planets. They now had their Morant
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reforms on on jerris em but then when they volunteered to come to
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this planet, Once they arrived here, they had specially
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constructed material physical bodies that are said by the book
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to have been those bodies were, were said to have been been
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implanted with life plasm from some 100 of the and denied
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humans. By these surgeons from Avalon
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Okay, so surgeons are taking something material, putting it
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into material bodies. These were material beings from
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elsewhere, who clearly would have been using some type of
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physical instrumentation, maybe Laboratories against things like
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that. They would have arrived here
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with, with all of that equipment or what have you in a physical
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craft, these, these Avalon surgeons, or whatever would not
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have come. Come here on seraphic transport
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because again they need it material instruments.
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And and who knows what kind of Technology with them to, to do
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these delicate genetic extractions and
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transplantations. So, that was kind of the second
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round of visitation. Then we get to, you know, the
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adamic visitations of Adam and Eve, you know?
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These again, these are material beings that Up being here on the
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planet for all the purposes that are described in the your Ranch
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of book and then I would say you know, after that we got milk
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Maka done, the cute animal milk. He's a deck here you know comes
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has an actual incarnate presence here on this planet as a human
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albeit superhuman but in physical form.
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So clearly the melchizedek's also have this.
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This perogative, even though it might be used, rarely to
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actually incarnate is a physical human-being on our planet and in
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the, the last and very significant mentions throughout.
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The book are what are called the student visitors?
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And the student visitors. I think kind of gets short
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Thrift in the Rancher Community. They tend not to be recognized
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or discussed much, but they're actually mentioned in several
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parts of the Look, and some curious things about student
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visitors. It says that they are, they are
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ascendant Mortals from various planets, you know, all
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throughout the Universe who who are seeking basically increased
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knowledge and understanding, they they are free to travel
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throughout the Universe. They are free to travel to even
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quarantined planets. So that's not off limits which
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would include our own planet and the other thirty-six planets
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that are supposedly under quarantine and in our own local
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system. But the student visitors clearly
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range widely throughout the Universe and they can perform,
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you know, such such activities as observation of a planet.
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May be just that Scientific or cultural curiosity, they can be
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helpers in certain missions as well.
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And you know, it sounds very natural to me that, you know,
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given that that our own brand of Humanity on this planet, has
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always had a keen sense of adventure and exploration and
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Discovery. We like to go find out new
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things and travel to new places. It makes sense that humans on
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other. This would be doing the same
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thing if they're more advanced than we are technologically.
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If they become spacefaring, it makes total sense that they
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would travel around to various planets.
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Now, the Rancher book does say that at the student visitors
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tend to be more semi spiritual inform and that they actually do
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travel by seraphic transport. Now, that would imply that they
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would not routinely be visible to us here.
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Because, you know of our physical senses, not being able
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to detect them. However, we don't know if there
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is technology on this planet within our classified, programs
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in the military or intelligence Community, we don't know if they
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now have technology that can detect these semi spiritual, or
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Mirage, social forms of life and energy using technology,
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Certainly we have instrumentation that can detect
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forms of energy, including various wavelengths of light
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that are outside the visible spectrum.
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I Want Me The Roots just because you brought that up.
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I want you to just what you just said.
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This is what we've been able to detect from from the
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Sagittarius. Cloud of cosmic explosion that
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happened. Jared years ago, listen to this
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Joel, that's from a cosmic burst from
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the Sagittarius. Cluster of there's a there's a
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black hole there and Joel that happens to be where the ranch
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book says is You minor the third.
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What we call enza or minor sector isn't that fascinating?
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But it just plays to what you were just saying totally Wild
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Jim, but it just goes to show. Look, we would not have been
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able to detect that type of energy which, you know, in this,
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in this case, you know, that was, you know, frequencies of
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sound. Yeah.
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That would be outside our normal range of human physical.
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All sense of hearing but we've got instrumentation that can
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detect. You know, that type of frequency
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we can detect light frequencies both in the infrared and
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UltraViolet and and Gamma many other ranges within the, the
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full electromagnetic spectrum. My expectation, is that
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spiritual frequencies of energy and Amarante, show frequencies
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of energy that they are also part of the electromagnetic
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spectrum. bactrim and can be detected if you have the
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suitable technology to do that, and I want to be surprised at
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all if the advanced technology used in classified, you know,
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military programs have that ability and as you listen to the
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whistleblowers, give their testimony, especially these
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military whistleblowers and you hear about the degree of
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sophistication of the equipment that they were privy to their
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There, there is a lot to be said to the ability of our military,
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at least in the US, to not only be able to detect incoming
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spacecraft of various sorts visible and invisible, but to be
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able to Target them and actually bring them down with some type
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of weapons for technology. And it sounds like in many
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cases, this is a type of Well basically beam weapon technology
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that can track and bring these bring these Technologies down.
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According to dr. Steven Greer at that National
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Press Club. Conference last week.
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He said that he has actual data and evidence of at least 120
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crash retrievals that have been performed by these classified.
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Programs within the US Military and the pretty active.
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I mean, I have to say that that indicates there is a lot of
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activity, you know. I would imagine it and I'm sure
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you've heard this said before, but if you were from an
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advanced, you know, Society, you know, on a planet far, far away
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and you're mastering the ability of interstellar, Interstellar
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travel. Then you come to this planet and
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you get a up-close look at how we behave and some of the
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problems that we're having here, I would, I would argue, they
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would probably You will not want to be seen by us because because
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it will have our belligerency, you know, we're very
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antagonistic species. Well, it's a good point.
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I mean, whether it's a military with sophisticated weapons free
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targeting you, you know, if you're coming in and all you
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want to do is maybe just observe, or you're curious
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because you've heard that, you know, Michael was here.
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So I think yeah, this is a life modifications fear with forms of
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life that Don't exist anywhere else.
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So, that's part of curiosity to you here.
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This is a divisional headquarters of Archangels,
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which is supposedly quite unusual and rare and special
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that would Peak some interest. And then most especially this is
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the one planet out of nearly four million in our local
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Universe, where our own Creator son, had his seventh bestow as
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an incarnate human. So in Hence, interest would be
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the case in our little blue green sphere here.
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Yeah. Well, cut.
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Cultures on other planets would take an interest and wanting to
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come and check it out. See, maybe I observe, you know,
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who are these backward. Your actions here and hopefully
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not be targeted by by sophisticated weaponry and other
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types of threats. But yeah, I agree with you.
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Jim. I'm sure we appear just quite
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backward and ignorant and belligerent compared to the more
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advanced races and some of whom may be certainly millions or
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even billions of years more advanced in their spiritual
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growth in their technology in their ethics.
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You know, then we are here. Well then I feel better talking
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to you Joe. I knew you'd help me sort out
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this a little bit and give me some perspective.
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I think he's kind of won me over a little bit.
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I don't see the conflict that I saw before we started talking
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because I'm a purist. I mean your ancient book purest.
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I often say if it's not mentioned in the book there's a
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good reason for that but in a way they do sort of mention it,
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don't they I mean there is definitely a thriving, the
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universal Community surrounding us and we just aren't aware of
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it because of misgivings of our own history.
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That's all so. Yeah, you're right.
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You know, clearly there are many, many different Different
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types of beings here. Celestial beings and probably
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thousands or Millions who are doing kind of their routine
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duties here, you know, unbeknownst to us because, you
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know, we might react in very inappropriate ways, if we were
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aware of their direct presence. But I think you know, those who
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are familiar with your answer book, I think we've become very
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curious and, and I would say I would like to meet these beings.
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At least one in each of us. Love to have a direct meeting
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with our Guardian seraphim. Oh, sure.
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I'm waiting. That would just be spectacular
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or to me, you know, you know, a Melchizedek receiver or, or any
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of the light carrier. Custodians to says that there's,
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you know, there's two senior light carriers and 12 life.
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Carrier custodians, here who've been here for a long time.
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And undoubtedly they continue to monitor the progress of Life
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development here. In a they probably are hugely
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concerned with what's going on here.
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Because you know, we we are, you know, by some claims we are in a
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mass extinction period where we're losing so much of our
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biological diversity on the planet at a rapid Pace, we have
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a lot of challenges With human help and and issues we have to
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contend with in that realm, human fertility and in other
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things and a lot of kind of you know, ignorant but also
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malevolent human activity that goes on.
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That is kind of ants. I live.
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I would think the life carriers and others would be hugely
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concerned about that and maybe they are doing some type of
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preservation activities along with you.
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Just the pure monitoring what's going on here.
31:29
So we have one of the key elements that you will
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frequently here in the UFO. ET Community is hybridization
31:37
programs where people will say, hey, they had a contact
31:41
experience with, with some alien being, they were taken aboard, a
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craft. They had their eggs or sperm
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withdrawn. And they were, they were later
31:52
told that this was part of a breeding program, or
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Hybridization program in some of them claim and I have even
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talked to some of these a few women in particular who said
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they actually were introduced to the hybridized children that
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were you know half there's and half half another order of being
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so pretty startling stories when you hear them.
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But these are again just regular people who who don't Have a lot
32:26
to gain by sharing Fantastical stories where they'd be likely
32:31
to be ridiculed and called Cooks.
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But when you see that these are sincere people who have been in
32:38
many cases traumatized by those experiences, you know, you kind
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of like, wow, you know, you feel some empathy for for what
32:46
they've gone through but hybridization should not just be
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thought of as as like something new and extraordinary because
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What the adamic mission was all about.
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Yeah, was revising. The evolutionary human with the
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Violet race to bring about a new and higher form of human with
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enhanced endowments of Mind, enhanced endowments of
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physicality more better immune system to leprosy and other high
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senses, spiritual perception. All these kind of things.
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Things that that we would have had as our natural endowment.
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But, but, you know, we know that program got largely thwarted.
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So we only got two at best kind of a piecemeal bit of that up
33:41
stepping of our biology. But nonetheless, that was a
33:46
hybridization plan and, you know, so to hear that, that some
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of these kind of more recent account.
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So of hybridization Ation genetic modification.
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What have you to me? That's like, thoroughly
34:04
possible. That that might even be
34:06
something being conducted by the life carriers, on an emergency
34:11
basis of some sort because of what's going on on our planet.
34:14
We got to remember that the the your into book Revelations,
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largely, you know, work included, you know in you know,
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the 40s, perhaps maybe perhaps up to 1945 and here we've had 80
34:31
years since then of dramatic acceleration in our technology
34:39
and in so many other things happening on this planet.
34:44
So we don't have 80 years of more Revelation that we can read
34:49
about. So it's not like things stayed
34:52
static since those, you know, those, the book itself.
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Was finalized and published, you know, things have continued to
35:00
go on. So who knows what all the
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additional things that have been undertaken on this planet, by
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the celestial overseers, it could be far far, you know, just
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it could be spectacularly. Surprising you know about what
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they might be doing as conservation.
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Measures for the life on this planet including human life.
35:26
It's a good point. I think that's a good place to
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leave it to, because, obviously, there's you, you've proposed so
35:30
many more questions and that's, you know, that's one of the
35:33
frustrating things. I, when I'm watching Ancient
35:35
Aliens by the end of the episode is like, wait a minute.
35:38
You didn't answer any of those questions, but far, be it for me
35:44
to say this. All of this is under a guiding
35:49
loving hand, a spiritual Creator, and it takes nothing
35:52
away from a relationship that a person can have With their
35:56
Divine Spirit, the spirit of God, it takes nothing away from
36:00
the authority and the power of Michael.
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And in Christ Jesus, it takes nothing away.
36:05
All it does is reinforce the, the same notion that the Urantia
36:10
book puts for, which is that we are part of a much larger Global
36:15
Universal community and eventually we're going to grow
36:18
into that and we will have, hopefully maybe open
36:22
communication with some of these Advanced societies around
36:25
around. And the universe, why not?
36:27
Why wouldn't that be a natural event that could unfold through
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time? I mean, we've only been if you
36:34
think about it, man has been on this planet for a little less
36:38
than a million years, but only in the last hundred, have we
36:42
really started to explore the universe?
36:46
So we still got a long way to go.
36:47
We still have a lot of things to learn.
36:49
So any, well Seth? Yeah, I'm very well said, and I
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thoroughly agree with you. Well, I appreciate Jaded and I
36:57
are you doing anything fun? Are you going to any of the
36:59
upcoming events that the foundation of the fellowship are
37:03
sponsoring going to? I see 23 at all with any any
37:07
specific. What do you think of the?
37:09
The I know you're into space the eclipse next year, August 21st,
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the big, the big Eclipse that comes seven years after the
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other Eclipse that occurred on. August 21st, I guess.
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This next one will be on Easter. Resurrection date.
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If any of that energy Interest you at all.
37:27
Oh yes. I'm glad you brought that up.
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Yeah. I'm very interested in in that
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Eclipse. You know, I was in the path of
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totality of the the one that was in 2017.
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You have Coral camera? That's right on.
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August 21st. Yeah.
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Yeah, that was an amazing experience.
37:50
And I'm hoping to again, get it get into the path of totality
37:53
somewhere in the US for the upcoming Many clips and I have
37:58
been, you know, paying attention to some of your other guests who
38:01
had some, some comments about, you know, what?
38:04
Some possibilities might be associated with that, which are
38:09
curious, you know, I don't, you know, I entertain, you know, all
38:13
possibilities for something like that and they're undoubtedly.
38:17
There are something really special that happens when you
38:19
get directly experienced that full full solar eclipse.
38:24
It is an unusual. I experienced that, that is
38:29
moving, very moving on deep levels, not just intellectual or
38:34
emotional, but physical levels to because it's such an out of
38:38
pattern experience from our normal, you know, diurnal, sweat
38:44
cycle and I think it kind of causes a reflection of sorts in
38:52
the mind of those who get to experience that just about
38:55
house. Show this is and how is it that
38:59
that our own moon is is of such a size and distance to just
39:07
perfectly perfectly. Be able to to fit directly in
39:13
front of our star. Yeah, just seems Way Beyond
39:17
coincidence, doesn't it? Jim sure does.
39:20
I know the ink is used to lose their heads over this.
39:26
Literally right now, you're right.
39:30
I mean when you cease that it just sort of a it's you know,
39:33
it's humbling more than anything because it really makes you feel
39:36
like I'm small Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you look at it, when you
39:43
read through the life, carrier account in the Rancho book and
39:47
you, you know, they say all of these different unique and
39:56
special aspects of our planet in the life here.
40:00
That clearly are not our evidence that life is no
40:05
accident that it has been planned at.
40:08
Vastly high levels, as a part of a divine plan and carefully
40:14
formulated including our atmosphere and, and certain
40:19
aspects of the planet and in a neighboring.
40:23
Neighboring, planetary bodies, including our moon and such, and
40:28
they say that the the midwayers have have conjectured nearly buy
40:34
tickets at 50,000 different reasons.
40:39
That point out the planning, the intelligent planning of life.
40:45
Not just the random bombardments of cosmic particles that somehow
40:50
accidentally gave rise to two life which is just ridiculous
40:56
and absurd. I think for any, any thinking
40:58
person to maintain, yeah, I agree.
41:01
There's nothing wrong with admitting that the Universe came
41:04
into reason came into being for a purpose that we have not yet,
41:07
discovered that Purpose and full should net should not take away
41:11
from the fact that this is wasn't an accident.
41:14
So anyway, we'll leave it there. Thank you so much.
41:16
Joe for coming by and I look forward to our next
41:19
conversation. This is my home now.
41:24
You yourself called me, destructive race?
41:27
That's true. Still there is another side.
41:34
You see I I love them. This is a very strange thing.
41:44
I can't find a way to explain it to you for many years.
41:48
I cursed my love for being sent to you.
41:52
Human life is difficult. But as this life is coming to an
41:58
end. Now I consider myself lucky to
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have lived it