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Speaker 1: Gives the report.
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Speaker 2: Good e being a Welcome to the show. I'm Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight. Juliana Sange is right now
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Speaker 2: on his journey back to Australia via court tomorrow after
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Speaker 2: reaching a plea deal freeing him from prison. Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: campaign for his release and he'll join me soon. Plus
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Speaker 2: a Labor senator has defied her party by starting with
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Speaker 2: the Greens Palestine motion. Now under Labor rules that means
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Speaker 2: she could be expelled, but does Albanisi and the Caucus
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Speaker 2: and the Executive have the guts to do it. And
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Speaker 2: the ingenious response of an art gallery accused of discrimination
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Speaker 2: for having a women's only exhibition. Wait till you find
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Speaker 2: out where they've hung the paintings. But let's start across
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Speaker 2: the ditch tonight where they've announced a second COVID inquiry today.
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Speaker 2: Now there's already a Royal Commission in New z Zealand,
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Speaker 2: but its terms of reference are pretty narrow around just
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Speaker 2: the health and economic response to COVID, and it's face
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Speaker 2: to febit of criticism from Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters
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Speaker 2: and plenty of others. So now the government is going
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Speaker 2: to expand the Royal Commission later this year with a
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Speaker 2: new chair and new commissioners to look into the things
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Speaker 2: that actually matter. New Zealand's Internal Affairs Minister Brook van
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Speaker 2: Velden said today that the terms of reference would include
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Speaker 2: one the use of vaccines during the pandemic specifically mandates
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Speaker 2: approval processes and safety, including the monitoring and reporting of
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Speaker 2: adverse reactions to the social and economic sorry disruption of
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Speaker 2: New Zealand's response policies, specifically the impacts on social division
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Speaker 2: and isolation, health and education, and on inflation, debt and
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Speaker 2: business activity, and the balance of these impacts against COVID
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Speaker 2: nineteen minimization SORRY and protection goals and three extended lockdowns
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Speaker 2: in Auckland and Northland specifically where the similar public health
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Speaker 2: benefits could have been realized from shorter lockdowns. Now, hallelujah
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Speaker 2: a COVID inquiry that's looking into the hard questions and
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Speaker 2: good on New Zealand for having one. But where's ours?
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Speaker 2: In Australia, the US has had the Select Subcommittee on
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Speaker 2: the coronavirus pandemic, which publicly questioned former Chief Health Advisor
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Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci recently come back to that in a minute.
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Speaker 2: The UK COVID inquiry, which began two years ago this Friday,
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Speaker 2: is looking into resilience and preparedness, decision making and political governance,
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Speaker 2: i e. What was rational for all the calls that
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Speaker 2: was make, What was the rationale? The impact on the
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Speaker 2: healthcare system, vaccines and therapeutic treatments, government procurement and PPE,
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Speaker 2: the test and trace system, the impact on children and
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Speaker 2: young people, all the things that matter. Now New Zealand
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Speaker 2: thankfully is going to do much the same. But our
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Speaker 2: COVID in Australia doesn't include anything the States did, which
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Speaker 2: was basically everything. Closing borders, imposing lockdowns, shutting schools, vaccine mandates.
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Speaker 2: They were all decisions of the States and our sham inquiry,
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Speaker 2: which is designed to cover the asses of pandemic premiers
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Speaker 2: both labor and liberal, can't look into them. So what's
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Speaker 2: the point and why is Anthony Albanezi so afraid to
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Speaker 2: have a real inquiry, a royal commission into what happened
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Speaker 2: in this country when so many of our Western allies
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Speaker 2: are doing it now. The stuff that comes out of
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Speaker 2: these inquiries overseas has been quite illuminating. The UK inquiry
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Speaker 2: found that former Scottish First Minister Nicolas Sturgeon deleted all
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Speaker 2: of it WhatsApp messages during the pandemic, so of course
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Speaker 2: at a later date no one was able to see
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Speaker 2: the conversations that had been going on within her government.
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Speaker 2: Then we found out that the Scotland Chief Medical Officer, well,
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Speaker 2: he told his staff to their messages every day after
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Speaker 2: one city hoped that a conversation. Wasn't he if Hawaii able, well,
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Speaker 2: isn't that convened? We'll never know what the bureaucrats were
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Speaker 2: discussing or how they came to the conclusions and decisions
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Speaker 2: that they did, because puff, it's all gone. Yess who
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Speaker 2: else didn't have any messages from the pandemic?
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Speaker 3: You don't now have access to any of the WhatsApps
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Speaker 3: that you did send during the time of the crisis
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Speaker 3: to you.
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Speaker 4: No that I don't.
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Speaker 5: I've changed my phone multiple times over the past few years,
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Speaker 5: and as that has happened, the messages have not come across.
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Speaker 2: Well, I never Oh and another.
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Speaker 3: One, do you know why your phone was missing those
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Speaker 3: five thousand odd WhatsApps?
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Speaker 6: I don't know the exact reason, but it looks as
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Speaker 6: though it's something to do with the app going down
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Speaker 6: and then coming up again, but somehow not automatically erasing
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Speaker 6: all the things between that date when it went down.
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Speaker 2: G I mean, so many politicians who just lost all
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Speaker 2: their messages in the same period of time. That is
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Speaker 2: what the state premiers don't want to face. That's why
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Speaker 2: we don't have a proper inquiry or a royal commission.
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Speaker 2: Now in Fauci was interviewed by the sub committee I
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Speaker 2: mentioned earlier. He admitted that social distancing rules just sort
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Speaker 2: of appeared out of nowhere, quote unquote, and that he
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Speaker 2: hadn't seen any studies to attest that standing six feet apart,
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Speaker 2: which was the rule they had in the US, did anything.
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Speaker 2: He didn't recall any studies or data that supported making
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Speaker 2: children wear masks, and he said that he hadn't read
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Speaker 2: any follow up studies on the harm that cause to
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Speaker 2: children in schools. That is what the chief medical officers
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Speaker 2: and chief public health officers in this country don't want
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Speaker 2: to face. I mean, imagine sending this woman into face
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Speaker 2: and inquiry.
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Speaker 7: Well, not that I've been to many football games, I
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Speaker 7: have noticed occasionally it does get kicked into the crowd,
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Speaker 7: and we are working through the details of what that
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Speaker 7: will mean, if you are at Adelaide oval and the
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Speaker 7: ball comes towards you, my advice to you is to
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Speaker 7: duck and just do not touch that ball.
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Speaker 2: Strike me pink. That one never gets old. But that's
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Speaker 2: the problem, or at least the problem for them, that
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't last a minute in front of a genuine inquiry.
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Speaker 2: We would learn things that they don't want us to know.
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Speaker 2: But there's no excuse, no excuse not to have a
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Speaker 2: Royal commission. Questions amounting about vaccines, kids don't want to
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Speaker 2: go to school, the damage caused by lockdowns and mandates
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Speaker 2: and mask rules and rings of steel and border closures
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Speaker 2: and curfews and all the rest of it. It's still
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Speaker 2: being felt today, and alban Easy has even less of
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Speaker 2: an excuse to duck and weave. Now that New Zealand
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Speaker 2: has today joined the list of our allies to commission
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Speaker 2: a proper fulsome COVID inquiry. We need a royal commission,
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Speaker 2: and we need it now well. The message from Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier to Center Allen today was that it's okay to
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Speaker 2: take illegal drugs. Doesn't matter how much she protests, how
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Speaker 2: much she says that pill testing is just about safety
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Speaker 2: and she doesn't want people taking drugs. That's the real
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Speaker 2: consequence of the trial. She has announced.
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Speaker 8: This doesn't make drugs legal, and it most certainly does
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Speaker 8: not make drugs safe. And we're doing this because all
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Speaker 8: the evidence says it works. The evidence tells us it
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Speaker 8: changes behavior, it works to reduce drug use, and most importantly,
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Speaker 8: it helps to keep people safe.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is a major departure from the previous stance
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Speaker 2: of Victorian Labor because Daniel Andrews was steadfastly opposed to
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Speaker 2: pill testing. He said it never happen under his government.
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Speaker 2: But of course he's gone now and we all know
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Speaker 2: that Daniel Andrews became famous for uttering the words get
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Speaker 2: on the beers. Alan may as well have said today,
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Speaker 2: get on the pills. I mean, pill testing is to
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Speaker 2: criminalization by any other name. Sure, they mightn't say that
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Speaker 2: these drugs are one hundred percent safe for you to take,
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Speaker 2: but by testing them and showing you what's in them,
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Speaker 2: it's implying a level of safety or security that of
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Speaker 2: course encourages people to take drugs. In what other situation
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Speaker 2: would the government assist you to break the law? Police
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Speaker 2: Association Victoria president Wayne Gatt said, Varra statement today quote
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Speaker 2: as a representative for seventeen thousand, five hundred police and
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Speaker 2: PSOs that work every shift to keep Victorian safe. The
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Speaker 2: often tragic consequences of illicit drug taking is difficult to digest.
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Speaker 2: Our view remains that pill testing is not the panacea
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Speaker 2: to this issue. Pill testing diminishes the illegality of illicit
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Speaker 2: drug taking in a particular area at a particular time,
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Speaker 2: and that flies directly in the face of long accepted
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Speaker 2: policing principles, personal responsibility and the law. The government will
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Speaker 2: have to explain clearly to police and the community what
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Speaker 2: it expects police to do in terms of enforcement in
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Speaker 2: and around these events. And this is the biggest problem.
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Speaker 2: How a police meant to operate at a music festival,
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Speaker 2: for instance, where they know there are drugs, When the
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Speaker 2: government is there saying well, come on, kids, bring your
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Speaker 2: drugs over here and we'll check if they're safe. Fear
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Speaker 2: to pop, you're essentially creating a zone where it is
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Speaker 2: legal to possess illegal drugs. I mean, any right thinking
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Speaker 2: copper would march into that tent and arrest the lot
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Speaker 2: of them for drug possession. But of course if they
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Speaker 2: do that, then no one will go and have their
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Speaker 2: pills tested. So you have to have a place where
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Speaker 2: you know you're not going to be arrested for breaking
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Speaker 2: the law. What about when you walk out, can the cops,
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Speaker 2: for instance, follow you one hundred meters up the path
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Speaker 2: and peeing you there? Or will police be asked to
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Speaker 2: turn a blind eye to drugs in certain sections of
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Speaker 2: music festivals to allow pill testing to occur? As I
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Speaker 2: said before, it is to criminalization by any other name.
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Speaker 2: And this is a day after the Sport Integrity Australia
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Speaker 2: body handed down a report saying that there's a huge
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Speaker 2: problem with illegal drugs in sport. As I told you
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Speaker 2: last night, SAA boss David Sharp said significant intervention is
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Speaker 2: required immediately to address the illicit drug culture in sport
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Speaker 2: and the increasing and unacceptable risks posed to players, officials,
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Speaker 2: clubs and sporting codes. He went on, Sport Integrity Australia,
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Speaker 2: along with several partner organizations, have identified evidence across Australian
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Speaker 2: sports of clear dangers of criminals influencing sport through the
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Speaker 2: supply of illicit drugs, including by praying on athletes or
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Speaker 2: support staff to access inside information, and of course that
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Speaker 2: inside information can be used to go and place a
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Speaker 2: bed tour. Perhaps they have won over an athlete and
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Speaker 2: they tell them what to do so that they can
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Speaker 2: go and place a bet. And you see kids watch
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Speaker 2: and look up to these sports stars who are getting
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Speaker 2: on the drugs. And then when they're a teenager, the
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Speaker 2: premier tells them bring your pills to the festival and
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Speaker 2: get them tested, and you reckon, they won't look at
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Speaker 2: that and go alrighty, then it's okay to take drugs.
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Speaker 2: Well to the other big news of the day, and
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Speaker 2: of course that's Julian Assange. He's now free from prison
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Speaker 2: and on his way back home to Australia after spending
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Speaker 2: almost two thousand days in maximum security prison in the UK.
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Speaker 2: The WikiLeaks founder has struck a plea deal with the
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Speaker 2: US over espionage chargers, which he'll plead guilty to in
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Speaker 2: the Mariana Islands tomorrow, and the prosecution will seek a
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Speaker 2: sixth twenty two month sentence, which is how long he's
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Speaker 2: already been in the clink, meaning he'll be able to
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Speaker 2: come back to Australia straight away. Joining me now is
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Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Canavan. Matt, you have previously called for
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Speaker 2: Assange's release how did you feel about the news today.
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Speaker 9: Oh, look, I'm very very happy for Julian and for
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Speaker 9: Julian's family primarily, this has been an ordeal for them.
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Speaker 9: It's been far too long so of separation between their
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Speaker 9: family members. It's very sad for them. Obviously they're never
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Speaker 9: going to get back the time at these children's time
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Speaker 9: with their father. His wife Stella has obviously had an
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Speaker 9: enormous anguish over these years. So at a human level,
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Speaker 9: just just very very happy for them, and then at
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Speaker 9: a broader diplomatic level, it's just great news that we've
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Speaker 9: got this burr in the relationship between Australia and America removed.
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Speaker 9: We obviously have very friendly relations with America, but over
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Speaker 9: the past few years, all sides politics have united calling
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Speaker 9: for Julian to come home. Julian's an Australian citizen, and
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Speaker 9: I've come to the view that I don't think American
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Speaker 9: law should apply in a way that the American government
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Speaker 9: is trying to hear it too Australian citizens there. They
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Speaker 9: should be sovereign to Australian laws. And I'm glad that
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Speaker 9: America has come to this play deal because it removes
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Speaker 9: that burr as I say, from our relationship and we
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Speaker 9: can get back to being friends.
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Speaker 2: I have to say that my view on a Sante
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Speaker 2: has probably softened in the last year or so. I've
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Speaker 2: sort of come to the point where I think he's
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Speaker 2: done enough time. Now I'm not terribly worried about him
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Speaker 2: being let out. But of course plenty of people argue
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Speaker 2: that he is a traitor to the West, he's a
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Speaker 2: trader to Australia, he's a traitor to the US, that
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Speaker 2: he put people's lives in danger. Do you think, given
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Speaker 2: those criticisms, that he deserves to be let out.
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Speaker 9: Well, Look, one thing that really concerns me in the
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Speaker 9: West is the diminution or the dilation, the reduction of
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Speaker 9: one of our great principles is that people should be
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Speaker 9: innocent before proven guilty, and we see it in lots
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Speaker 9: of different crimes and public controversies now where there's a
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Speaker 9: mob like rush to convict an individual before they've properly
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Speaker 9: been able to have a case against them put against
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Speaker 9: them in front of their peers, in front of a
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Speaker 9: properly constituted court. And that hasn't happened obviously for Julian.
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Speaker 9: So I don't think we can rush to say he's
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Speaker 9: done anything that's criminal in nature. He's obviously signed a
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Speaker 9: plea bargain here now. But as I come back to
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Speaker 9: the point that if Julian has done something wrong, he
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Speaker 9: should have been prosecuted under Australian law. He never set
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Speaker 9: foot in America, he was not subject to any kind
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Speaker 9: of American oath. Saw an oath to their country. And
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Speaker 9: so if we think the activities of Julian sure or
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Speaker 9: should be criminal, it's a matter for our country to
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Speaker 9: pass a well constituted laws through our parliament for that matter.
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Speaker 9: And I think clearly, in my view of the US
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Speaker 9: was acting outside of its judicial extra acting extra tratorially here,
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Speaker 9: and we should stand up for our citizens and make
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Speaker 9: sure they're not subject to the laws of other countries
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Speaker 9: on a haphazard basis.
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Speaker 2: I spoke at the top of the show about why
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Speaker 2: we need a Royal Commission into COVID in Australia. I've
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Speaker 2: been calling for it for a long time. Of course,
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Speaker 2: as I said before, New Zealand is now expanding the
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Speaker 2: terms of reference for its Royal Commission so it can
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Speaker 2: look into things like vaccine mandates and the damage caused
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Speaker 2: by lockdowns etc. I understand you've put up a bill
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Speaker 2: to this effect today that would look into the powers
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Speaker 2: that could potentially be given to a Royal Commission in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: I've introduced a bill along with a number of other
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Speaker 9: Senators to establish what's called a Commission of Inquiry into
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Speaker 9: COVID nineteen. Now that would be exactly the same as
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Speaker 9: a Royal Commission. But it's just that the Parliament can't
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Speaker 9: use the designation royal that's reserved for the executive. But
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Speaker 9: because our executive, our Prime Minister won't live up to
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Speaker 9: the promise he made to the Austraine people to have
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Speaker 9: a royal commission. I think it's in combent on the
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Speaker 9: Parliament to force him to live up to the promise
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Speaker 9: he made to the Australian people before the last election.
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Speaker 9: Of course, the Prime Minister has announced a Clayton's Review,
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Speaker 9: a so called independent review, last September. That review has
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Speaker 9: been now meeting for nine months. All I've done is
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Speaker 9: take submissions and had some roundtables. I mean roundtables, I
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Speaker 9: mean I think the Australian people deserve what you just
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Speaker 9: showed earlier that our officials, the people who made these
16:34
Speaker 9: decisions to impose draconian laws take away people's freedoms. They
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Speaker 9: should be subject to a proper hearing under oath about
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Speaker 9: what went on and what mistakes, if any were made.
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Speaker 9: That has not happened it will not happen under this inquiry,
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Speaker 9: so we deserve something better. I hope that the Senate
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Speaker 9: would support this. It would then go to the House
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Speaker 9: of Representatives, and, as I say, will Labour actually live
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Speaker 9: up to their promise and give the Australian people what
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Speaker 9: they deserve, which is a proper, full, independent and powerful
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Speaker 9: inquiry into the extraordinary decisions that have been made of
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Speaker 9: the pass through a few years in response to COVID right.
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Speaker 2: As I said before, there's no excuse not to do
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Speaker 2: it now. There was a bit of drama in the
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Speaker 2: Senate today, of course, Labor senator Fatima Payment crossed the
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Speaker 2: floor and started with the Greens in a failed push
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Speaker 2: to recognize the state of Palestine. Here's what she said
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Speaker 2: after the vote earlier.
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Speaker 11: We cannot believe in two state solutions and only recognized one.
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Speaker 11: I was not elected as a token representative of diversity.
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Speaker 11: I was elected to serve the people of Western Australia.
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Speaker 11: And uphold the values instilled in me by my late father.
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Speaker 11: Today I have made a decision that would make him
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Speaker 11: proud and make everyone proud who are on the side
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Speaker 11: of humanity.
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Speaker 2: So I always thought that under Labor rules, if you
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Speaker 2: crossed the floor, that meant you were out. But it
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Speaker 2: turns out that payment could face expulsion from the party room.
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Speaker 2: That's up to the caucus, and then it's up to
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Speaker 2: the executive to decide whether or not she's expelled from
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Speaker 2: the party itself. And our political editor Andrew Clineill put
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Speaker 2: this to the government earlier and a spokesperson said there
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Speaker 2: is no mandated sanction in these circumstances, and previous caucus
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Speaker 2: members acrossed the floor without facing expulsion. I think she
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Speaker 2: ought to face expulsion, though, shouldn't she met.
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Speaker 9: No, I don't think so. I would hope that the
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Speaker 9: Labor Party joins the same principle as the Liberal National
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Speaker 9: Party have had for forever, really that we allow independent
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Speaker 9: members of the Parliament elected by train people to vote
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Speaker 9: in accordance with ultimately their conscience. Now with our party,
18:43
Speaker 9: what happens is, if you want to do that, you
18:45
Speaker 9: can't be a member of the ministry. The cabinet or
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Speaker 9: the shadow cabinet has to be solidarity. But I've done
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Speaker 9: that many times, I've crossed the floor, and I think
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Speaker 9: the parliaments are healthier place for a diversity of views
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Speaker 9: and having those views put Now what's happened in the
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Speaker 9: past is Bloody have enforced this sort of democratic socialism
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Speaker 9: where one decision that is made by the many binds
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Speaker 9: the all, and I think it makes our parliament a
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Speaker 9: much less vibrant, reflective institution of our people, because of
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Speaker 9: course people have differences of being in and sometimes they
19:16
Speaker 9: should be welcome to express those. So I obviously don't
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Speaker 9: agree with Senator Pavement on her position on this particular matter,
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Speaker 9: but I think our democracy is enriched by having a
19:26
Speaker 9: variety of views put forward. And I actually do respect
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Speaker 9: her courage and bravery here. And as I say, maybe
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Speaker 9: it will lead to a different, different approach to Labor Party,
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Speaker 9: because I know plenty of Labor senators Caleb who are,
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Speaker 9: for example, not happy with a live sheep ban right now.
19:39
Speaker 9: I know plenty of Labor senators who don't sign up
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Speaker 9: to the ridiculous scare campaign they're conducting on the nuclear
19:44
Speaker 9: power situation. So if it's good enough for a senator
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Speaker 9: pavement across the floor in this issue. Let those labor
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Speaker 9: centers across the flaw on nuclear, let them cross the
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Speaker 9: floor on live sheep. We'd be a lot more interesting
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Speaker 9: down here in Canberra very quickly.
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Speaker 2: Yes, But I think therein lies the problem if that
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Speaker 2: started happening us, as there might be some sanctions there
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Speaker 2: I something to you. We're not going to get a
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Speaker 2: double sweat.
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Speaker 9: We're not going to get alication.
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Speaker 2: For quite obvious reasons. Matt Canavan, thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for your time. Now. One of the strange things about
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Speaker 2: the alban Ezy government wedding the beard over Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: wanting to fire up some nuclear reactors is that they're
20:19
Speaker 2: supporting submarines powered by nuclear energy. So it's okay for
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Speaker 2: our submaran is under the water, but it's not okay
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Speaker 2: for normal people on land. Right, So you have to
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Speaker 2: ask the question, how can we be confident and how
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Speaker 2: can the US and how can the UK be confident
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Speaker 2: that we're actually behind orcus when the government is out
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Speaker 2: there carrying on so much about nuclear Well, Peter Dean,
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Speaker 2: who's the co author of the twenty twenty three Defense
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Speaker 2: Strategic Review, He said today that the nuclear power debate
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Speaker 2: could go one of two ways. Quote, if the debate
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Speaker 2: goes well, we could have a much better informed public
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Speaker 2: around that particular issue, or it could run off the
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Speaker 2: rails and get out of hand and potentially impact ORCUS. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: Labor MP and former soldier Luke Gosling has written a
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Speaker 2: paper for the Lowing Institute. He warns that long term
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Speaker 2: support for ORCUS cannot be taken for granted, and that
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Speaker 2: the pact is already on trial and the burden of
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Speaker 2: evidence is higher than for any other Australian defense project.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Strategic Analysis Australia director Michael Shubridge. Michael,
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Speaker 2: what do you make of all this? You know, the
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Speaker 2: government on one hand is denigrating the idea of nuclear
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Speaker 2: on land, but at the same time we're meant to
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Speaker 2: believe that they're right behind nuclear in the water, and
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Speaker 2: you could be excused for wondering which side they're actually on.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think the government is really causing itself huge
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Speaker 12: headaches and they're only going to get worse if they
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Speaker 12: continue this strange line that there are good nuclear reactors
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Speaker 12: and there are evil nuclear reactors, and the good nuclear
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Speaker 12: reactors with weapons grade highly enriched uranium in them. There
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Speaker 12: will be parked near Perth being Adelaide, and at a
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Speaker 12: base somewhere on the east coasts where they can't tell us,
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Speaker 12: whereas the bad nuclear reactors won't have weapons grade uranium
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Speaker 12: in them, and they'll be in places that we know
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Speaker 12: because Peter Dutton has announced the sites. So the government
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Speaker 12: needs to have an attack of honesty. Here, come clean.
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Speaker 12: Mister Dutton said, where the civil nuclear actors will be.
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Speaker 12: Why can't the government tell us where the East Coast
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Speaker 12: submarine base will be and where the waste repository?
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Speaker 2: Quite right? Well, remember we were going to have a
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Speaker 2: nuclear waste dump in my home state of South Australia
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Speaker 2: in Kimber and then that unfortunately got knocked off the head.
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Speaker 2: And so we're okay, we're going to have nuclear submarines,
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Speaker 2: which is going to create waste. We're going to have
22:52
Speaker 2: to put that waste somewhere. We want a nuclear industry,
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Speaker 2: but we don't want a nuclear industry that puts power
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Speaker 2: in the energy grid. And the opposition, as is to
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Speaker 2: be expected, they've been pointing out the rank hypocrisy of
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Speaker 2: all of this over the last couple of days. He's
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Speaker 2: just a short example.
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Speaker 10: Are you saying that our sub mariners are now going
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Speaker 10: to have three eyes because they'll be on a nuclear
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Speaker 10: powered submarine.
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Speaker 4: Waste from the nuclear propulsion system will be stored on
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Speaker 4: the submarine in the reactor for many years. Can the
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Speaker 4: minister confirm, Can the deputy minister Prime minister confirm that
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Speaker 4: it is safe for the sailors, for the sub mariners.
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Speaker 2: Which is a pertinent point. And look, I think Australians
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Speaker 2: are smart enough to see that there isn't a problem
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Speaker 2: with nuclear and the polling continually shows that people are
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Speaker 2: supportive of the concept of nuclear energy. But by running
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Speaker 2: the message that labor now is and I know that
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Speaker 2: some have talked about the costings, but others, including senior
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Speaker 2: members of the government last week, we're posting stupid images
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Speaker 2: online of you know, three eyed koalas and all of
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Speaker 2: this sort of thing. What they could potentially do is
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Speaker 2: destroy public support for nuclear subs and thereby sink pardon
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Speaker 2: the pun orcus.
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Speaker 12: Well exactly every argument that the government makes about the
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Speaker 12: problems with waste or cost, or the long time it
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Speaker 12: takes to get civil nuclear reactors or having them in
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Speaker 12: a place near a population center. All those arguments boomerang
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Speaker 12: back on the government when it comes to the Orcat
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Speaker 12: submarine program. I just can't believe they didn't work that
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Speaker 12: out before they open their mouths. Like Richard Miles tried
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Speaker 12: to say in Parliament this week, well eight nuclear submarine
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Speaker 12: reactors are different to domestic civil reactors because the nuclear
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Speaker 12: actors on a submarine only powers one machine, whereas a
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Speaker 12: civil reactor powers.
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Speaker 2: Lots of things.
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Speaker 12: I don't think that's the intrinsic thing about nuclear power,
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Speaker 12: whether it's powering a toaster or a submarine.
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Speaker 2: So really, I think.
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Speaker 12: The government needs to get honest about the submarine program
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Speaker 12: and stop shooting both feet off when they criticize domestics
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Speaker 12: and nuclear power.
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Speaker 2: I think a nuclear toast is otherwise known as a microwave,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. But how must our allies in the US
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Speaker 2: and the UK be looking at all of this? I
25:17
Speaker 2: mean they must be sitting there and going, for Heaven's
25:19
Speaker 2: sake and not forgetting that they're both countries that have
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy at a civil level and don't have any
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Speaker 2: problem with it, and have signed up to the idea
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Speaker 2: that they're going to expand their nuclear energy in the
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Speaker 2: push towards net Zeros. They've got energy, they're in on
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Speaker 2: the subs, and here we are supposedly going into business
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Speaker 2: to create nuclear subs with them. At the same time
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Speaker 2: as we're saying no, no, no, we don't like nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: They must think we'll wacko.
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Speaker 12: I think they just want to see a bit more
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Speaker 12: maturity from the government because, as Peter Dean said, ORCUS
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Speaker 12: is a long term initiative, it's got to have public support.
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Speaker 12: The government is not leading that debate.
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Speaker 2: Michael Shubridge, thank you so much for your time. Well,
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Speaker 2: do stay with us. Coming up after the break, we'll
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Speaker 2: show you the left's latest attempts to silence Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: And speaking of Trump, he recently had this to say
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Speaker 2: about Joe Barden.
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Speaker 13: I say he'll come out all jacked up?
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Speaker 2: Is he right? Former White House Press Secretary Shawan Spicer
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Speaker 2: joins me. Next now, Friday, of course, will be the
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Speaker 2: first presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. You
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Speaker 2: can watch it live here on Sky News at eleven am,
26:35
Speaker 2: and I hope you'll be able to join me again
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Speaker 2: at eight pm for the US Report, where I'll be
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Speaker 2: dissecting the whole thing with our experts from the United States,
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Speaker 2: but it's going to be a somewhat different debate, essentially
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Speaker 2: on Biden's terms. Mike's will be turned off when the
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Speaker 2: other is speaking, so they won't be able to interrupt
26:50
Speaker 2: each other. They won't be giving opening statements, and there
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Speaker 2: won't be a live audience, so there'll be no booing
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Speaker 2: or jeering or any other kind of live feedback. And
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Speaker 2: Trump's team and now questioning the impartiality of c and
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Speaker 2: Inn's debate moderator Jake Tapper, who's previously compared Trump to
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Speaker 2: Hitler and said when he was defeated by Barden in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty that for tens of billions of our fellow Americans,
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Speaker 2: their long national nightmare is over. We'll have a look
27:18
Speaker 2: at what happened today when a spokeswoman for the Trump
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Speaker 2: campaign appeared on CNN and was shut down after bringing
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Speaker 2: this stuff up.
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Speaker 13: To it take someone five minutes to google Jake Tapper
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Speaker 13: Donald Trump to see that Jake tapperam consumers interview. If
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Speaker 13: you're going to president my colleague, I'll filter. Now I'm
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Speaker 13: going to style and if I'm stating to attack my colleagues,
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Speaker 13: I would like to talk about nobody and Donald Trump,
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Speaker 13: who you work for.
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Speaker 14: Yes, if you are here to speak on his behalf
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Speaker 14: and I will to have this conversation.
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Speaker 13: I am stating facts that your colleagues have stated in
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Speaker 13: the past.
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Speaker 1: Now we're going to come back.
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Speaker 4: To Caroline, thank you very much.
27:53
Speaker 2: From your time joining me.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Is former White House Press Secretary Sewn Spicer good to
27:59
Speaker 2: have you? Sean, Look, I didn't really want to answer
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Speaker 2: the tough questions there see and ended.
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Speaker 13: They no, But think about what Caroline said. She asked
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Speaker 13: viewers to google Jake Tapper.
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Speaker 2: And President Trump.
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Speaker 13: They don't even want you to see Jake Tapper's pass
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Speaker 13: and just for the audience there in your country to
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Speaker 13: understand this. Jake Tapper was a Democratic House staffer who
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Speaker 13: worked for Chelsea Clinton's mother in law when she was
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Speaker 13: a member of Congress from Pennsylvania. A Democratic member of Congress.
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Speaker 13: He also worked for a very left wing organization called
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Speaker 13: Handgun Control. I don't know what they're afraid of, them
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Speaker 13: finding out the clips that you just played or his background,
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Speaker 13: but the reality is is that that's what I think
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Speaker 13: we can get used to expecting on the debate stage.
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Speaker 13: When Jake Tapper doesn't like what Donald Trump is saying,
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Speaker 13: He's just going to mute his might, and I think
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Speaker 13: this is what we can expect more of on Thursday.
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Speaker 13: It's going to be Trump versus the moderators and Joe Biden.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be an interesting debate, as I outlined before,
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Speaker 2: very different to what we've had before. No live audience,
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Speaker 2: of course, the marxes you've just said are going to
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Speaker 2: be muted. They're not going to have any notes either.
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Speaker 2: It's just going to be pen and paper and a
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Speaker 2: glass of water, I believe, and a lot of this
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Speaker 2: is what Biden has asked for. They've very much gone
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Speaker 2: for a debate that they think Biden might actually be
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Speaker 2: able to perform, okay, at very deliberately.
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Speaker 13: Well, let's also keep in mind that thesident President Biden
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Speaker 13: is now resting at Camp David for several days ahead
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Speaker 13: of this. I mean, it is unbelievable what they are
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Speaker 13: doing to get this guy ready. I understand why, considering
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Speaker 13: some of the viral clips that we've seen in the
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Speaker 13: last few days here with President Biden, but it's unbelievable.
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Speaker 13: They know that the expectations are where they are. They
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Speaker 13: have to come out and perform Let's keep in mind,
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Speaker 13: and I've tried to warn my US colleagues about this
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Speaker 13: here in the States, is that President Biden's been in
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Speaker 13: politics for over half a century. He spent decades in
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Speaker 13: the United States Senate, which is probably the premier debate society,
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Speaker 13: if you will, And so we shouldn't keep the bar
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Speaker 13: too low for him. He knows what he's doing. I
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Speaker 13: think he'll be rested up, he'll come out. But the
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Speaker 13: issue is is that Trump's got to stay on the
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Speaker 13: issue of record and policy. Biden doesn't have anything to
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Speaker 13: campaign on. Nothing is going well in this country. When
30:18
Speaker 13: it comes to his policies. He's going to talk about
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Speaker 13: abortion and democracy. The American people want to talk about
30:23
Speaker 13: a secure border, they want to talk about energy independence,
30:25
Speaker 13: they want to talk about lower, lower cost of doing business,
30:29
Speaker 13: less higher lower interest rates, etc. So, I mean, Biden
30:33
Speaker 13: doesn't have much to talk about in terms of policy,
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Speaker 13: and that's where Trump should focus.
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Speaker 2: What's the risk of Trump going a bit off track, though,
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Speaker 2: do you think? I mean, you know, when you watch Trump,
30:45
Speaker 2: especially lately, you know he loves to have a bit
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Speaker 2: of fun, right, and sometimes he can veer off the
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Speaker 2: message a bit, which is fine. When you're at a rally,
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Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily work so well at the debate.
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Speaker 13: You're absolutely right. I think you that very diplomatically. So look,
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Speaker 13: here's what I would argue. I don't think Trump has
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Speaker 13: a lot to lose. People look at him very much
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Speaker 13: the way that you described. He's pugnacious, he fights, he
31:11
Speaker 13: doesn't stay on script. They know what they're getting. There's
31:14
Speaker 13: no American that thinks that that's who Trump is. So
31:17
Speaker 13: if he actually stays focused on his record and policies,
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Speaker 13: it'll be a huge win for him.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he has much to lose.
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Speaker 13: That being said, conversely, Joe Biden is the one, as
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Speaker 13: you properly stated, that asks for these rules, that wanted
31:31
Speaker 13: this debate on CNN, a left leaning network, that wanted
31:34
Speaker 13: it on this at this date. So he has everything
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Speaker 13: to lose, and Biden really needs to show up and
31:39
Speaker 13: do well.
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Speaker 2: I think it's one thing.
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Speaker 13: To stand in front of a podium and give a
31:44
Speaker 13: remarks for thirty forty minutes. It's another thing to enter
31:48
Speaker 13: to exchange ideas back and forth in a debate.
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Speaker 2: And we'll see how he does.
31:53
Speaker 13: But make no mistake, Biden is the one with a
31:56
Speaker 13: lot to lose Thursday night. No one's going to be
31:58
Speaker 13: surprised comes out the way you described it kind of
32:02
Speaker 13: starts going after him.
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Speaker 2: Well, as we've just been talking about, he's been out
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Speaker 2: on the campaign trail, cracking jokes and basically making fun
32:09
Speaker 2: of the outcoming debate. I have a look, he's sleeping
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Speaker 2: now because they want to get him good and strong.
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Speaker 1: So a little before debate time, he gets a shot.
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Speaker 2: In the ass, and that's.
32:23
Speaker 1: They want to strengthen him up, so he comes out.
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Speaker 13: He'll come out, okay, I say, he'll come out all
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Speaker 13: jacked up, right, all jacked up.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to be one hell of a job.
32:37
Speaker 2: But of course, the interesting thing here, and I still
32:40
Speaker 2: can't really work it out, is why Biden himself asked
32:45
Speaker 2: for these debates.
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Speaker 13: It's a good question that you're asking, and I think
32:50
Speaker 13: the only conclusion is they needed something to shake up
32:55
Speaker 13: this race, and this was the only thing that they had.
32:58
Speaker 13: I'm with you, though I'm not so sure I would
33:01
Speaker 13: have called for it this early. I think that what
33:03
Speaker 13: they wanted is ahead of the Republican Convention, to do
33:09
Speaker 13: something that would shake up Trump's momentum and the other
33:12
Speaker 13: thing is, Look, they banked on the conviction that he
33:15
Speaker 13: got in New York and they want to continue down
33:18
Speaker 13: this path of branding him. This has all been a
33:20
Speaker 13: branding exercise to be able to ask the American people,
33:23
Speaker 13: can you vote for a convicted felon. I mean, granted,
33:25
Speaker 13: we all know it's a misdemeanor offense for internal bookkeeping
33:29
Speaker 13: things seven years ago. But the bottom line is this
33:32
Speaker 13: is part of their exercise, and I think that they
33:35
Speaker 13: didn't have much left in the tank, so to speak.
33:38
Speaker 2: Now, Trump's Mara Lago Classified Documents hearing got underway today
33:43
Speaker 2: and the prosecution was asking the judge to include in
33:49
Speaker 2: his bow conditions that he wouldn't be able to make
33:51
Speaker 2: any remarks that would endanger FBI agents. The judge has
33:55
Speaker 2: pushed back on that. I mean, you know, it's another
33:58
Speaker 2: example of them trying to stifle him, as they tried
34:02
Speaker 2: to do in the previous quote unquote Hashmney case. As
34:05
Speaker 2: you're just talking about.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's interesting because generally gag orders are to protect
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Speaker 13: the defendant. And again it doesn't make sense. You have
34:14
Speaker 13: to ask yourself why do FBI agents need protecting. It's
34:17
Speaker 13: not like there's an individual in particular that he's going after.
34:21
Speaker 13: He's talking about the raid on his place and how
34:24
Speaker 13: it was handled. He's not singling out an individual whose
34:27
Speaker 13: life might be threatened or anything. This again is just
34:30
Speaker 13: another example though, of them trying to silence him, right,
34:32
Speaker 13: So they're trying to silence him ahead of a debate,
34:35
Speaker 13: ahead of the Republican National Convention, where he's going to
34:38
Speaker 13: be out speaking, maybe even talking about.
34:39
Speaker 2: It at rallies.
34:40
Speaker 13: But they're throwing everything at the kitchen sink at this
34:43
Speaker 13: guy to try to slow his momentum down. You saw
34:46
Speaker 13: today there was this fact check from an organization called
34:49
Speaker 13: Snopes that said that this incident that occurred in Charlottesville,
34:53
Speaker 13: Virginia seven years ago, well, by golly, it actually wasn't
34:58
Speaker 13: accurate with the left. I mean what Biden and others,
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Speaker 13: Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority of the here have been
35:04
Speaker 13: saying about that incident. They've done everything they can to
35:07
Speaker 13: stop him over the last few cycles. And I think
35:11
Speaker 13: you know, you saw the Rastille dossier, the Russia hoax,
35:15
Speaker 13: the attempt to pull him off the ballot.
35:16
Speaker 2: The court cases.
35:17
Speaker 13: They literally are stopping at nothing to try to slow
35:20
Speaker 13: down Donald Trump. I just don't think that they've ever
35:23
Speaker 13: realized how powerful his movement is.
35:25
Speaker 2: Exactly looked. They should keep doing it. It just keeps
35:28
Speaker 2: building it up, I think, and just really quickly before
35:31
Speaker 2: we go. Of course, we learned today that Juliana Sangje,
35:35
Speaker 2: the founder of Wiki Lakes and Australian of course, has
35:39
Speaker 2: struck a plea bargain with the Department of Justice in
35:42
Speaker 2: the US that we'll see him come back to Australia.
35:44
Speaker 2: Your response, Look, I'm.
35:47
Speaker 13: Personally disappointed in that. I get what this is a
35:50
Speaker 13: little bit of a dance here. He's going to go
35:52
Speaker 13: to a territory of the US. Normally you have to
35:55
Speaker 13: be in the US proper where the charges were filed.
35:58
Speaker 13: Then he gets to return back to you guys in Australia.
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Speaker 13: I'm just disappointed. I take classified documents obviously, there's a
36:05
Speaker 13: big difference between people who might mishandle them and someone
36:09
Speaker 13: who intentionally does it. And that's what he did. He
36:12
Speaker 13: threatened an undermined national security of the United States willfully
36:16
Speaker 13: and knowingly, and I think that's a big issue in
36:18
Speaker 13: our judicial system. Did you attempt did you mean what
36:21
Speaker 13: you were attempting to do, or was it by mistake.
36:24
Speaker 13: He willfully did this, and I think that he should
36:26
Speaker 13: be punished for it, and I'm a little disappointed that
36:29
Speaker 13: the government is letting him off the hook.
36:31
Speaker 2: Shown spots, I think you a for your time? You
36:34
Speaker 2: bet coming up, The ingenious response of an art gallery
36:38
Speaker 2: accused of discrimination and an Aboriginal land council wields its
36:42
Speaker 2: power in Victoria, Plus the lightest crusade of the country's
36:46
Speaker 2: wokeust me It's timeism council bashing don't go away now.
36:54
Speaker 2: Prominent Aboriginal land council in Victoria has launched a legal
36:58
Speaker 2: challenge against Gold and Murray War, which granted a license
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Speaker 2: last year for a mini hydro electricity plant on the
37:04
Speaker 2: Rubicon River well. The torn Garoul Land and Waters Council
37:09
Speaker 2: says that the project will quote unquote materially alter the
37:13
Speaker 2: river's path of flow and claims that Gold and Murray
37:16
Speaker 2: Water didn't have the authority to approve the project. So
37:20
Speaker 2: they've had an initial hearing at VCAT and Theresa Basucci
37:23
Speaker 2: found that the Gold and Murray Water did in fact
37:26
Speaker 2: have the necessary authority to grant the license, but there
37:29
Speaker 2: are other reasons apparently that warrant a reconsideration of this license.
37:34
Speaker 2: Joining me now on the panel is scar and news
37:36
Speaker 2: host Anika to Giorgio here on the desk and the
37:38
Speaker 2: host of The Spectators Australia's Far It Will podcast, Will Kingston. Danika.
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Speaker 2: I find this whole thing quite strange, Yes, because the
37:47
Speaker 2: v CAT has said that there is actually no problem
37:50
Speaker 2: in terms of the river being diverted. All they're going
37:53
Speaker 2: to do is take some water out of the river
37:55
Speaker 2: to power a hydro electricity plant and then the water
37:58
Speaker 2: gets returned to the river. But what it shows is
38:01
Speaker 2: time and again we see more and more of these
38:03
Speaker 2: cases now where these Aboriginal land councils who make shed
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Speaker 2: loads of money out of deals that they do with
38:10
Speaker 2: government and they do with power companies and whatever to
38:13
Speaker 2: provide surveys. They then take that money and try to
38:17
Speaker 2: stifle important projects. They did it in South Australia with
38:20
Speaker 2: the mooted nuclear waste dump's Kimber. They're now trying to
38:25
Speaker 2: do it with a de sale plant. And here's just
38:27
Speaker 2: another example.
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Speaker 14: Well, they do have too much power. This is the problem.
38:29
Speaker 14: It's another day, another dollar, Kaleb, and another claim by
38:34
Speaker 14: these councils. It's almost becoming like a lucky dip. They're
38:37
Speaker 14: putting out thousands of claims across the country and seeing
38:39
Speaker 14: which one might come back as successful. But I've got
38:42
Speaker 14: to say though, in this case, this is the Victorian
38:45
Speaker 14: government's own doing, because they are going down a treaty
38:48
Speaker 14: negotiation pathway. They've said nothing is off the table, meaning
38:53
Speaker 14: that including property acquisitions, meaning we're going to see more
38:56
Speaker 14: and more of these projects and more and more land
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Speaker 14: claim buy these councils, and once treaty does go ahead,
39:03
Speaker 14: there it's going to be inevitable. Let's be honest, We're
39:05
Speaker 14: going to have a rainbow serpent in every river or
39:08
Speaker 14: in this case for example, they're saying that the rivers
39:11
Speaker 14: are going to be impacted. It's going to go through
39:13
Speaker 14: the court now, it's going to cost an arm and
39:15
Speaker 14: a leg.
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Speaker 2: We only saw last week.
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Speaker 14: You're a member in Queensland, there was a successful land
39:21
Speaker 14: title claim that was some three hundred and sixty five hectares.
39:24
Speaker 14: They tried to do it in wa whereby farmers would
39:26
Speaker 14: literally have to consult with elders just to dig a
39:29
Speaker 14: hole on their own property. I don't know what this
39:32
Speaker 14: stuff actually achieves. Does it help the lives of Aboriginal people.
39:36
Speaker 14: When do the claim stop and when does reconciliation.
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Speaker 2: Start precisely, And they really need to start looking into
39:42
Speaker 2: these land councils will because they operate under different legislation
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Speaker 2: to normal corporations. And if you go and try and
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Speaker 2: read some of their annual reports, which I've done, and
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Speaker 2: the flow of money or where the money actually ends
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Speaker 2: up is pretty murky.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Look, this is a an administry of law dispute about
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Speaker 5: whether water in a creek will be diverted or not.
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Speaker 5: I'm a bit bored by it. But let's talk treaty.
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Speaker 5: Let's go where Danika started. And the fact of the
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Speaker 5: matter is the Australian people comprehensively rejected Voice Treaty Truth
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Speaker 5: last year. My emotional response to Danika, and it has
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Speaker 5: evolved a bit, and it is in line with self
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Speaker 5: determination movements in Gaza, in Scotland all around. The traps
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Speaker 5: is if these First Nations groups want self determination, let
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Speaker 5: them have it, but then they have to give up
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Speaker 5: the range of benefits that they are getting from the
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Speaker 5: state that is giving them self determination, the easier access
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Speaker 5: to universities, the enhanced welfare benefits.
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Speaker 2: All of that stuff.
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Speaker 5: And I think that the treaty conversation ultimately is a
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Speaker 5: case of having your cake and eating it too.
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Speaker 2: I agree. Now you might recall Mona, which is the
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Speaker 2: Museum of Old New updown in Tasmania. They lost a
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Speaker 2: case recently in the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative Tribunal. They
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Speaker 2: were found to have discriminated against men because there was
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Speaker 2: a new South wales Man who wanted to go into
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Speaker 2: a female only exhibition that was back in April. But
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Speaker 2: under Tasmania's anti discrimination law it doesn't apply to toilets.
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Speaker 2: So the museum Denika has now decided that they're going
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Speaker 2: to and they've done it. They've hung Picassos in the
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Speaker 2: toilets and said these are women's only toilets. Go and
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Speaker 2: have a look. I love it. It lampoons the ridiculousness
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Speaker 2: of the laws in this case. Yeah, I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 14: I'll fly over to Mona. I'll go and inspect the
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Speaker 14: Picasso paintings in the toils unless you two, of course,
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Speaker 14: identify as female.
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Speaker 2: In which you know you won't feel.
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Speaker 14: The discrimination in which these laws actually protect you both from.
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Speaker 14: So this is totally genius, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: It's a smart move.
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Speaker 14: It once again shows up the perpetually outrageous. But ask
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Speaker 14: who has time though to go and take this to court?
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Speaker 14: Who cares that much to honestly.
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Speaker 2: Well, an idiot, I think, But I love that they're
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Speaker 2: taking it on now. Will our favorite lord mayor here,
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Speaker 2: the Lord Mayor of Sydney Clovermore, she's joined on to
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Speaker 2: an emotion that was brought by Green's counselor for the
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Speaker 2: Council to essentially boycott Israel. So they now have to
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Speaker 2: ensure that they're not giving any money to companies that
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Speaker 2: supposedly support what they call human rights of uses in Palestine. Look,
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Speaker 2: you know, I go on about councilors and we go.
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Speaker 2: I'll go on about councils in the next segment as well,
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Speaker 2: but just stick to core business. But they can't help
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Speaker 2: themselves getting involved in every little social issue, particularly one
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Speaker 2: as stupid as this. What how are they going to
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Speaker 2: work out whether anyone's involved in human rights abuses in Palestine?
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Speaker 2: I assume by that they mean we don't deal with
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Speaker 2: Israeli companies at all. It's just andy Semitism.
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Speaker 5: The same story pops up every three months. Counselors with
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Speaker 5: delusions of grand i who refuse to do the basics. Look,
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Speaker 5: this is up to the voters now. The same stuff
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Speaker 5: keeps happening. Nothing changes if the Sydney of City Sydney
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Speaker 5: of Sydney electorate wants to vote in these idiots, unfortunately,
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Speaker 5: that's on them now.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Will Kingston Denka to Georgia, thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for your time. Coming up more council madness. You know
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Speaker 2: I love it. Mornington Peninsula Council is voting tonight on
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Speaker 2: establishing its own Indigenous voice. I'll have all the details
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Speaker 2: for you next. Don't go away, all right. I did
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Speaker 2: some council bashing before, but indulge me because I'm about
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Speaker 2: to do it again. Mornington Peninsula Council is voting tonight
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Speaker 2: on whether to establish its own Indigenous voice, change how
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Speaker 2: Australia Day is acknowledged, and renamed buildings with Aboriginal names.
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Speaker 2: And that's all bad enough, But I think the most
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Speaker 2: worrying bit is that if this gets up, this is
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Speaker 2: their draft innovate reconciliation action plan. Don't know what that
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Speaker 2: difference is between a normal reconciliation action plant and innovate one,
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Speaker 2: but anyway, but it means that the council will have
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Speaker 2: to prioritize Indigenous people for jobs. Surely that is racist.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is the president of ratepayer group Council Watch,
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Speaker 2: Dean Hurlston. Dean, I mean we're talking about a council
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Speaker 2: here that's saying we are going to prioritize hiring people
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Speaker 2: of one particular race. When I was at the Herald Son,
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Speaker 2: I wrote a story about Daribin council. I'm sure that
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Speaker 2: council wouldn't surprise you, but they were hiring a street
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Speaker 2: sweeper and they advertised it for non men only. So
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Speaker 2: we've gone from councils in Victoria say we only hire
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Speaker 2: people who aren't men. Now we've got counsels talking about
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Speaker 2: only hiring people who are Indigenous. It's clearly racist.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you know, we all know it should
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Speaker 10: always be the best person for the job.
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Speaker 1: That's how it should work. What we keep seeing with.
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Speaker 10: These councils is this ideological brandstanding and creep. We pay
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Speaker 10: counsels to provide services, not to actually tell us.
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Speaker 1: What their ideology is and what our should be.
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Speaker 10: Now, there's nothing wrong with saying we shouldn't discriminate, but
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Speaker 10: that works both ways. Kaily that's because I'm not Indigenous
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Speaker 10: does not make me not the right person for the
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Speaker 10: job if I have the qualifications.
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Speaker 1: Or experience and what we know is right now.
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Speaker 10: The councilors at Mornington are furiously debating this issue because
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Speaker 10: the public feels that they are not being heard. We've
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Speaker 10: seen massive backlash today on social media from the residents
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Speaker 10: in the morning to Peninsula Shaia saying, yet again, we
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Speaker 10: have a council that isn't listening. This is the bureaucracy,
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Speaker 10: the tail wagging the dog and not listening to the community,
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Speaker 10: and the bureaucracy needs to be downsized and cut down.
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Speaker 1: Two sides.
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Speaker 2: Well, the community feels like they're not being listened to,
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Speaker 2: so the council says, oh, well, maybe we should have
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Speaker 2: an Indigenous voice to counsel. But the last census, which
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Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty one, found that one percent of
45:59
Speaker 2: more Wrnington Peninsula residents identify as Aboriginal. So one percent
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Speaker 2: of the population might get a voice on council, but
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Speaker 2: bugger the rest of you.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, why can't we actually just run a voice for
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Speaker 10: the ninety nine percent that are not being listened to.
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Speaker 10: If councils would only listen to the ninety nine percent,
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Speaker 10: perhaps we'd get happier with them because they do things
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Speaker 10: that ninety nine percent of people want.
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Speaker 1: Them to do.
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Speaker 2: I know. And you would think that the council and
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Speaker 2: other councils I know others have done this as well,
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Speaker 2: or at least looked at it, that they would look
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Speaker 2: at the result of the referendum we had last year
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Speaker 2: and go, hm, maybe not, we go we're not going
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Speaker 2: to entertain this. But they just can't help themselves. I'll
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Speaker 2: talk about this in the last segment. They cannot help
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Speaker 2: themselves getting involved in these issues instead of the things
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Speaker 2: that councils should actually be worried about.
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Speaker 1: That's right, Caleb.
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Speaker 10: They just want the sexier things, which you know, to
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Speaker 10: them are words like prety, diversity, inclusion, reconciliation, climate change.
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Speaker 10: Yet ninety nine percent of the resident saying you're not listening.
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Speaker 10: We just want you to empty the bins.
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Speaker 1: We just want you to actually fix the bottles in
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Speaker 1: the road.
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Speaker 10: We just want you to fix the traffic, you know,
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Speaker 10: clean up the graffiti. You know, those things are actually
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Speaker 10: what's sexy to the average voter, not your grand standing
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Speaker 10: international issues.
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Speaker 1: We don't want to hear about it.
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Speaker 2: And we've only got thirty seconds left, but I would
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Speaker 2: be worried if you've got an Indigenous voice to counsel
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Speaker 2: exactly how much power a body like that ends up with.
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Speaker 2: Can it make decisions about roads, about water.
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Speaker 10: What, Well, essentially, what I would really like all your
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Speaker 10: viewers to know is that it's actually these committees that
47:37
Speaker 10: actually control the recommendations that are coming to council. If
47:41
Speaker 10: you don't know that the committees in your council are
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Speaker 10: driving what's coming out of council, get involved, start.
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Speaker 1: Watching, go to our website.
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Speaker 10: We will show you how it's time for us as
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Speaker 10: a state, particularly this year in the elections, to push
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Speaker 10: back and put people in there who will make proper decisions.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. Well that's it
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Speaker 2: for me tonight. I'll be back again tomorrow at seven
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Speaker 2: pm up Now Sharry Marson