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Credlin | 4 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo kran Lad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good EPN.
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Speaker 3: Great to have your company. Here's what's coming up on
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Speaker 3: the program. Election speculation continues to mount in Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: remaining KG today on the day. One thing we do know,
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Speaker 3: Labour's already spending up big to.
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Speaker 2: Buy your vote.
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Speaker 3: In a moment, I'll reveal just how much they've spent.
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Speaker 3: And that's of course before the official campaign has even
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Speaker 3: kicked off. Live to London with Ian Herciali as UK
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Speaker 3: Labour sets up a sham working group to define so
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Speaker 3: called Islamophobia.
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Speaker 2: Now see this for what it is.
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Speaker 3: It's a cynical ploy related to the rise of the
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Speaker 3: Islamic voting blocks in the West, mark my words, it's
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Speaker 3: headed our way soon. Plus another day, another major development,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump ordering an indefinite pause and or military aid
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Speaker 3: to Ukraine, including equipment already on route. And on that
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Speaker 3: there appears to be some divide growing between our two
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Speaker 3: leaders here in Australia. But what exactly our contribution should
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Speaker 3: be to the war effort.
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Speaker 4: There's discussion at the moment about potential peacekeeping and from
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Speaker 4: my government's perspective, were open to consideration.
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Speaker 5: In terms of whether we should have boots on the
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Speaker 5: ground in Ukraine.
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Speaker 3: The first the phony elected campaign ground on again today
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Speaker 3: more Labour spending convictments, this time four and a half
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Speaker 3: billion over the decade to New South Wales public schools. Now, naturally,
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Speaker 3: there was a lengthy swipe of Peter Dutton plus a
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Speaker 3: false accusation that the Coalition had cut school funding in
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Speaker 3: the twenty fourteen budget.
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Speaker 4: And in the first budget there was eighty billion dollars
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Speaker 4: ripped out, fifty billion dollars from health under Peter Dutton
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Speaker 4: as the Health Minister, and thirty billion dollars ripped out
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Speaker 4: of school's funding in that first twenty fourteen budget.
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Speaker 2: Now, again that's a lie.
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Speaker 3: Spending might not have increased as much as Labour's unfunded
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Speaker 3: promises were, but it increased at all times.
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Speaker 2: There was no cut.
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Speaker 3: And besides, a better education system relies on good teachers,
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Speaker 3: a good curriculum and higher standards as much as dollars
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Speaker 3: to make it all happen. But put today's spending to
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Speaker 3: one side, let's look at the aggregate, because I'm just
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Speaker 3: staggered at how much money your Prime Minister has already
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Speaker 3: shoveled out the.
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Speaker 2: Door in this pre campaign.
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Speaker 3: Now, as I said at the end of last week,
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Speaker 3: here are the numbers part of Labour's pre election cash splash.
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Speaker 3: Since early January, the Albanezer government has already announced some
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Speaker 3: thirty five billion dollars in new spending. Here's the list
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Speaker 3: up there on the screen. Have a look at all
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Speaker 3: of that. Every single day. He can't help himself. Billions
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Speaker 3: and billions now, without a doubt, this is the most
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Speaker 3: left wing prime minister ever, no record to run on,
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Speaker 3: no plan for a second term, but he's trying to
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Speaker 3: put his own re election bid on the nation's credit card,
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Speaker 3: that and run a scare campaign against the opposition based
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Speaker 3: on lies.
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Speaker 2: Part of the Beams problem.
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Speaker 3: Now is that nothing he says gets clean air because
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Speaker 3: it's constantly derailed by questions about the timing of the election.
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Speaker 2: Here's what happened again today.
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Speaker 4: All that issue of designs.
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Speaker 6: So keep on Polis, who would have any effect on.
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Speaker 1: The election tone.
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Speaker 4: Oh, we're governing and that's what we're doing today. I
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Speaker 4: know others are interested in election timing. What I'm interested
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Speaker 4: in is getting things done on behalf of the country. Now.
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Speaker 3: If the election is delayed until May, the latest possible time,
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Speaker 3: he can hold the election. The government will have to
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Speaker 3: go to a budget in a couple of weeks time,
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Speaker 3: on the twenty fifth of March, and that will be
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Speaker 3: a sea of red ink. Better to avoid that, as
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Speaker 3: I've said for months, and keep up the pretense that's
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Speaker 3: got a good economic record based on two serendipitous surpluses
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Speaker 3: thanks to the coal and gas royalties that Green Labor
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Speaker 3: wants to abolish. But calling it to avoid a budget
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Speaker 3: is also telling.
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Speaker 5: If the Prime Minister doesn't have good news in the budget,
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Speaker 5: which would seem to be the case, then he's likely
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Speaker 5: to run to an election early, perhaps for April twelve,
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Speaker 5: And I think Australians would see that as a sign
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Speaker 5: that the Prime Minister doesn't want to tell the Australian
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Speaker 5: public the true dire picture of what the economic outlook
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Speaker 5: is for our country.
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Speaker 3: The reality of course, seven successive quarters of a shrinking
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Speaker 3: GDP per person, a household recession, a need ten percent
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Speaker 3: drop in living standards in terms of real disposable income,
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Speaker 3: and a cost of living crisis that government policy has
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Speaker 3: made worse, like the union driven workplace changes that are
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Speaker 3: killing productivity, like Labour's and missions obsession far from delivering
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Speaker 3: the promise two hundred and seventy five dollars cut to
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Speaker 3: your power bills has force bills up by nearly one
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars on average. Meanwhile, the Coalition was also out
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Speaker 3: campaigning today as well as an end to Labour's renewables
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Speaker 3: only energy policy, a twenty five percent cut to immigration,
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Speaker 3: access to their super for first home buyers, and flying
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Speaker 3: just one flag. As Jane Hume announced on the show
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Speaker 3: last night. If elected, the Liberals will end working from
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Speaker 3: home for Canberra public servants. Now in some federal departments
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Speaker 3: thought as much as seventy percent of staff as still
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Speaker 3: not turning.
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Speaker 2: Up to the office working from home. Well, I call
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Speaker 2: it shirking from home.
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Speaker 3: This latest move from Darton's likely to get a few
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Speaker 3: head nods in the real economy tradees, miners, factory hands,
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Speaker 3: hospitality workers, people who stack the shelves, nurses or they
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Speaker 3: can't pretend to be working at home online all day
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Speaker 3: as well. Today there's been some talk the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: couldn't possibly call an election this weekend because of the
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Speaker 3: looming storm disaster in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: Now take it from me, incumbents love disasters.
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Speaker 3: Because it gives them a chance to look strong in
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Speaker 3: a crisis and dispense practical help that oppositions can't classes.
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Speaker 2: We saw all the way through the pandemic.
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Speaker 3: In a crisis, the media pivots to the government of
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Speaker 3: the day and the opposition becomes all but irrelevant, meaning
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Speaker 3: that if there's a big weather event in Queensland and
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Speaker 3: a subsequent big cleanup, I wouldn't put it past a
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Speaker 3: PM to call the election this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Then a couple of days.
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Speaker 3: In suspend the campaign. You'll call it a truce, which
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Speaker 3: means he'd end up looking Prime ministerial and the Opposition
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Speaker 3: are effectively grounded now.
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Speaker 2: Right now, Labour struggling in the polls.
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Speaker 3: The PM, we know is an unwelcome in a lot
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Speaker 3: of electorates by colleagues who fear his unpopularity will drag
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Speaker 3: them down. What Labour strategists are trying to do here
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Speaker 3: is just survive the campaign, not win it, because they
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Speaker 3: know Albanez he can't win it, but he can survive
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Speaker 3: it and you might survive it. And by that I
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Speaker 3: mean doing enough to prevent the coalition and getting a
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Speaker 3: majority in its own right now, to survive the campaign,
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Speaker 3: Albanezey's got to avoid his mistakes of last time. Labour's
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Speaker 3: negative campaign against Dutton's got to hit the mark. He's
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Speaker 3: got to get to the other side with enough seats
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Speaker 3: to be able to cut a deal for minority government
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Speaker 3: with the Greens and the tail Cross benches. And anytime
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Speaker 3: Albin Easy can stop Dutton landing and blow on his
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Speaker 3: weakness's leader. He's lack of record as PM, how much
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Speaker 3: Australians are hurting on cost of living is a good
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Speaker 3: day for labor It's key to his survival. Hence the
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Speaker 3: attraction of distractions for the incumbent events like a cyclone
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Speaker 3: where a PM shows up, you know, stands there like
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Speaker 3: the top dog and next to the emergency workers, and
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Speaker 3: Dutton is then effectively sidelined into irrelevance because if if
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Speaker 3: he was to keep campaigning, commentators would accuse Darton of
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Speaker 3: not caring about those affected by the cyclone. Even better
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Speaker 3: for Alban Easy is the fact that the cyclone is
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Speaker 3: in Queensland and that would put in front and center
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Speaker 3: in the media in a state when Labour's doing poorly. Now, yes,
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Speaker 3: I know this all sounds machiavellian and callous, but believe me,
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Speaker 3: this is exactly what Labor is wargaming right now and
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Speaker 3: if anyone thinks they won't use a cyclone to their advantage,
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Speaker 3: then they do not understand the Labor Party. Rob get
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Speaker 3: the headlines out of Camber now, I'll send you out
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Speaker 3: political reporter Tritty Macintosh.
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Speaker 7: For the first time, the Prime Minister has signored Australia's
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Speaker 7: willingness to send peacekeeping troops to Ukraine, and.
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Speaker 4: From my government's perspective, we're open to consideration of any
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Speaker 4: proposals going forward.
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Speaker 7: Britain and France are leading what Kirstarma calls a coalition
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Speaker 7: of the WILLI other nations asked to help defend any
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Speaker 7: potential deal and guarantee peace.
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Speaker 4: Australia has historically played an important role in areas, including
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Speaker 4: in Africa, in Cyprus, in a range of peacekeeping areas.
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Speaker 7: The potential proposal doesn't share bipartisan support.
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Speaker 5: In terms of whether we should have boots on the
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Speaker 5: ground in Ukraine. I don't support that. I think the
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Speaker 5: Europeans have that task.
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Speaker 7: And Peter Dutton has promised to get public servants back
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Speaker 7: to the office if he wins the election. The number
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Speaker 7: of APS staff working from home is higher now than
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Speaker 7: during the pandemic.
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's unreasonable that people, like in many
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Speaker 5: other workplaces, are asked to go back to work for
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Speaker 5: that face to face contact.
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Speaker 2: Labour was quick to trash the idea.
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Speaker 4: Clearly the opposition haven no idea about how modern working
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Speaker 4: families operate.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't discriminate against people on the basis of gender.
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Speaker 5: We're not going to shy away from the fact that
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Speaker 5: this is tax payers money.
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Speaker 4: The Coalition want public servants to be at home all
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Speaker 4: the time, thirty six thousand of them, because I want
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Speaker 4: to sack them.
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Speaker 5: I would say to any Australian, I mean, let me
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Speaker 5: know if it's more efficient for you to deal with
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Speaker 5: the Canberra bureaucracy having thirty six thousand more public servants.
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Speaker 8: Of course it's not.
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Speaker 7: Trudy Macintosh, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in my colleague who is absolutely
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Speaker 3: gagging for the election political letter at Sky News, Andrew Clenell.
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Speaker 2: I know you love a campaign. I think we're getting
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Speaker 2: closer and closer, but the window is narrowing. Andrew.
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Speaker 3: Despite all the speculation, lots of things have play. They've
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Speaker 3: got to look at the budget, the issues about this
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Speaker 3: Chinese warship, saga tariffed lines in relation to the US cyclone.
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Speaker 2: I've just spoken about that. Now, where do you think
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Speaker 2: we're at.
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Speaker 9: Well, I don't think he's finally made up his mind,
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Speaker 9: but he could call it Sunday or more likely Monday
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Speaker 9: for April, or he has to do a budget, as
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Speaker 9: you say, and going May. And I don't think may's
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Speaker 9: out of the question. I think April twelve you'd favor,
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Speaker 9: But I don't think may's out of the question because
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Speaker 9: anything can happen the next few days. I definitely think
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Speaker 9: over the weekend the PM was thinking about May, but
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Speaker 9: then they got some better polling, frankly, and it's all
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Speaker 9: based on that. And I think it's a little bit
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Speaker 9: absurd that in three weeks time, almost to the hour,
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Speaker 9: we should be having a federal budget. We haven't been
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Speaker 9: told whether we have a federal budget or not. I mean,
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Speaker 9: that's in the Prime Minister's power, you know, that's the
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Speaker 9: way the system works.
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Speaker 8: But I just think.
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Speaker 9: The government has a responsibility to tell us whether they're
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Speaker 9: doing a budget or whether we're having an election. And
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Speaker 9: at this rate, he's going to wait, the PM until
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Speaker 9: WA's oversee what the result is there, wait for the
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Speaker 9: news poll on Sunday night and then determing it. It
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Speaker 9: looks a little bit indecisive. I mean, just just make
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Speaker 9: a call and go with it, is what I'd suggest
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Speaker 9: at this point that the argument I've had on the cyclone,
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Speaker 9: I hear what you're saying is if it's particularly bad,
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Speaker 9: it would not be a good look to just go
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Speaker 9: there quickly or something. Oh by the way, and we're
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Speaker 9: now having an election that's all about politics. That could backfire,
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Speaker 9: I believe, So let's see what.
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Speaker 3: The characters I don't disagree with how backfire.
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Speaker 8: Say Again, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't disagree with you that it could.
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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you that it could backfire, but
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Speaker 3: I do think it's absolutely more likely than not.
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Speaker 2: In your call it Sunday or Monday.
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Speaker 3: I think they will factor in that he gets sort
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Speaker 3: of an elevated standing out of a crisis. The opposition
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Speaker 3: leader is sort of neutralized in some respect. I think
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Speaker 3: he could do what Gillard did to us at one stage,
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Speaker 3: to spend campaigning for a couple of days deal with
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Speaker 3: the crisis. That puts Peter Dunton really out of the frame.
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Speaker 3: It's also hard to come back in a hard negative
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Speaker 3: campaigning in the days around that event, so you basically
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Speaker 3: lose about a week. And when you consider how early
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Speaker 3: people start to poll these days, you know you're three
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Speaker 3: weeks in and people are polling, so they'd be polling
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Speaker 3: by the end of March. If he was to call
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Speaker 3: it that early, you get that win for the incumbent.
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Speaker 3: Where I haven't really focused on it. Okay, I'll just
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Speaker 3: leave that guy there and our first term PM would
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Speaker 3: probably get a bit of a default vote, and Dutton's
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Speaker 3: are one who has to win in his own right,
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Speaker 3: so really has to move that needle. I think that's
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Speaker 3: probably in the PM's mind at the moment.
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Speaker 9: Well, cabinet ministers. I think that I've spoken of the
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Speaker 9: view he should go in April. They just feel like
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Speaker 9: there's so much going on at the moment. Something could
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Speaker 9: happen to worse than the prospects of the government. And
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Speaker 9: obviously that means one of the things probably going to
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Speaker 9: happen early in the campaign is Donald Trump not giving
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Speaker 9: us a tariff exemption. That could play early. But also
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Speaker 9: I've long said to you that the issue of not
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Speaker 9: doing a budget and waiting this late to tell us
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Speaker 9: you're not doing one, you do look like you're running
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Speaker 9: away from something. Maybe at the end of the day
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Speaker 9: that doesn't matter to normal voters, like maybe that's not
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Speaker 9: top of mind, but you know, people in government, including
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister well aware. I think that doing a
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Speaker 9: budget not doing a budget, both scenarios have their advantages
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Speaker 9: and disadvantages, and perhaps that's what he's taken so long
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Speaker 9: to make a decision. But all the mail I had
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Speaker 9: overnight and early this morning was that the mood had
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Speaker 9: shifted towards that April twelve, But it was it was
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Speaker 9: whether there was a variable like the cyclones, like poor
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Speaker 9: a polling, which we're going to affect that decision. Once again,
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Speaker 9: there's enough work being done that has been done to
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Speaker 9: produce a budget. And what a bizarre scenario that is
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Speaker 9: too if there's no budget Peter, as I understood it
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Speaker 9: a couple of weeks ago, budget statements went in. You've
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Speaker 9: had all these ercs, you know, I mean, all the
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Speaker 9: this work. If it ends up being that inverted commace,
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Speaker 9: it's just a crazy sort of process. Why couldn't you
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Speaker 9: say in January we're having that budget.
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Speaker 3: No, but I'll tell you why they did all of
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Speaker 3: that Andrew that so that they can do the costings.
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Speaker 3: They can get absolutely fantastic costings that are pretty bulletproof
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Speaker 3: from Treasury under the cover of the ERC process. So
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Speaker 3: under the cover of the budget process, and they are
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Speaker 3: streets ahead.
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Speaker 2: Of the opposition.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think the opposition themselves have put
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Speaker 3: out enough policy to my mind, if they're leading it
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Speaker 3: for the campaign, if they're leaving it in the tank
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Speaker 3: for the campaign, I think that's pretty dangerous. They can
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Speaker 3: only cost through the Parliamentary Budget Office. As you know,
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Speaker 3: these guys have been able to cost all the way
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Speaker 3: through Treasury. They'll be stronger and more defendable costings and
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Speaker 3: Labour set itself up. It'll have a line in the
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Speaker 3: budget already in the draft budget for spending not yet announced.
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Speaker 3: They'll have a great big war chest in there. I
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Speaker 3: made the point of the top of the show. They
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Speaker 3: spent thirty five billion just this year, this calendar year alive.
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Speaker 3: We haven't even started a campaign. So this spending is
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Speaker 3: going to increase, and it's going to increase dramatically. Hey,
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you though, just on campaign talk
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Speaker 3: about debates. Speculation today there could be four televised debates,
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Speaker 3: including one with the ABC. I'd be surprised if there
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Speaker 3: were four debates. I don't think Albaneazy could last through four.
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Speaker 9: What do you think, Well, as long as there's a
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Speaker 9: people's forum at Sky, that's the most important thing. And
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Speaker 9: I agree that's the case, Peter, because you know that's
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Speaker 9: when ordinary voters get to ask their questions as well,
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Speaker 9: with my colleague Kieran Gilbert gets to host that one.
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Speaker 9: If it happens, I don't think there'll be four, but
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Speaker 9: I reckon there could be three. There were plenty last time,
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Speaker 9: and there were plenty in twenty nineteen as well.
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Speaker 2: What about this other poll out today?
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Speaker 3: We talk about the two leaders a lot, but you've
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Speaker 3: got an aspirant there in Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 2: This is a red Bridge pole.
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Speaker 3: It says a quarter of voters have an unfavorable view
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Speaker 3: of Jim Charmers. Twenty percent don't even know who he is. Now,
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Speaker 3: pretty bad for him. Not so great either for the
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Speaker 3: Shadow Treasurer. But I mean the Shadow treasure is not
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Speaker 3: bearing the load in a cost of living crisis. I'm
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Speaker 3: surprised people don't know much about the treasure if.
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Speaker 9: I'm honest, Yes, And I mean i'd previously heard that
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Speaker 9: Jim Chalmers did quite well in focus groups, to be
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Speaker 9: frank Peter, so I'm a bit surprised by that too.
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Speaker 9: But at the end of the day, if everything goes
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Speaker 9: up fifteen percent and you have all these interest rate rises,
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Speaker 9: it's hardly surprising. I think this is a massive test
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Speaker 9: for Angus Taylor, and there is concern that while Peter
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Speaker 9: Dutton goes okay, some of the team behind him could
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Speaker 9: let him down and we'll see more of them during
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Speaker 9: the campaign. So Jim Charmers came on Sunday Agender and
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Speaker 9: challenged Angus Taylor to at least three debates and as
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Speaker 9: many as he wanted, and hopefully one of them can
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Speaker 9: occur on Sky. And I think that's very deliberate.
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Speaker 8: I think Jim.
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Speaker 9: Chalmers thinks he's got Taylor's measure, so Taylor needs to
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Speaker 9: step up in this campaign.
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Speaker 3: I think Chalmers is more show by his end, you know,
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Speaker 3: like he doesn't have an economics degree. His PhD is
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Speaker 3: a political paper about keating. You know, Taylor's a Rhodes scholar.
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Speaker 3: He's absolutely steeped in economics and business. The difference will
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Speaker 3: be about the communication of the economic message. I mean
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Speaker 3: that's probably where Chalmers thinks he's got it ahead. But
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Speaker 3: in terms of smarts, I know which bloker.
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Speaker 2: I'd be backing.
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Speaker 3: But I think this is also about Charmers auditioning to
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Speaker 3: be leader because let's face it, the PM survives, Let's
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Speaker 3: say he survives and it's a minority government, it's a
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Speaker 3: hung parliament. I guarantee you he will not be running
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Speaker 3: as Prime Minister at the next election, and Charmers wants
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Speaker 3: to see off any other competition and emerge victorious.
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Speaker 9: I think that's true. I mean Albanez, he's just turned
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Speaker 9: sixty two. You can see a scenario where he wins
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Speaker 9: sixty seven seats, you know, loses about ten sixty seven
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Speaker 9: sixty eight, stays in power, he's gripped on power. Then
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Speaker 9: he's substantially weakened, and the aspirants will say, we'll give
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Speaker 9: me a chance, give us a fresh face. So that
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Speaker 9: is potentially right now, the scenario we're looking at twelve
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Speaker 9: you know, a kind of minority labor win and a
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Speaker 9: change of leader in twelve to eighteen months. But a
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Speaker 9: lot can change during the campaign.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this will be a very interesting campaign.
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Speaker 3: As I say, this will be a campaign where it
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Speaker 3: actually matters, Andrew, thank you right, let's go that escalation today.
19:40
Speaker 3: Another one in the stand up between the White House
19:42
Speaker 3: and the Ukrainian government, President Trump ordering an immediate freeze
19:45
Speaker 3: on all military a to Ukraine that also included weapons
19:50
Speaker 3: in transit. A spokesman from the White House said the
19:53
Speaker 3: President has been clear that he's focused on peace.
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Speaker 2: We need our.
19:56
Speaker 3: Partners, said the spokesman, to be committed to that goal
19:59
Speaker 3: as well. Now it's some hard to figure out which
20:01
Speaker 3: partner they're talking about here. Joining me now to discuss
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Speaker 3: the director as Strategic Analysis Australian Michael Schubridge. Michael, I
20:09
Speaker 3: read that statement from the White House. I don't think
20:12
Speaker 3: anyone can accuse President Zelenski as being against peace. He's
20:16
Speaker 3: just against a deal with Putin to buy that piece.
20:20
Speaker 3: I think I'm with him.
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Speaker 2: And at that point about Putin, where is at loggerheads
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Speaker 2: with Trump?
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Speaker 10: Well, exactly, Peter, stopping military support to a partner who's
20:33
Speaker 10: in the middle of fighting a war, as Trump.
20:35
Speaker 2: Is doing, is a very bad idea.
20:38
Speaker 10: And you're right, Ukraine's president Zelenski wants peace, but he
20:43
Speaker 10: knows a peace deal that weakens Ukraine, rewards Russia and
20:48
Speaker 10: doesn't provide any security guarantees, is not going to be
20:51
Speaker 10: a stable or real peace.
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Speaker 3: Or a piece deal where he's not even at the table.
20:58
Speaker 3: I mean the idea that this gets negotiated and Ukraine,
21:03
Speaker 3: a legitimate democratic nation state, is not at the table
21:06
Speaker 3: dealing with their future when they've been fighting, like you know,
21:10
Speaker 3: no one expected them to fight for the last three years.
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Speaker 10: Well exactly, he's a wartime leader of the strongest military
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Speaker 10: in Europe. And pulling the rugout from under him to
21:23
Speaker 10: force him to nego to accept the deal others negotiate,
21:27
Speaker 10: I think is all bad policy and all bad news.
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Speaker 3: Right, Let's look at how it's been playing out in
21:34
Speaker 3: Australia today, because the PM was asked about Australia increasing
21:38
Speaker 3: our effort have a listen.
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Speaker 4: There's discussion at the moment about potential peacekeeping and from
21:47
Speaker 4: my government's perspective, we're open to consideration of any proposals
21:53
Speaker 4: going forward.
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Speaker 3: We heard from Kirstamy the other day, Michael, the UK
21:59
Speaker 3: would be to commit peacekeeping troops, but it had a
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Speaker 3: line in there about being sort of backed in by
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Speaker 3: the Americans. PM men not ruling it out.
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Speaker 2: How do you read that?
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Speaker 10: Well, I read it as mister Alberizi doing more of
22:15
Speaker 10: what he's done about other things like Darwin Port. Whenever
22:18
Speaker 10: he uses stuff like not ruling things in, not ruling
22:21
Speaker 10: things out, or having them under consideration, that generally means
22:25
Speaker 10: he's trying to vaccinate himself against making a decision. You know,
22:29
Speaker 10: Darwin Port, he's had three years of it being under
22:32
Speaker 10: consideration and apparently it's back again. So I wouldn't be
22:35
Speaker 10: holding my breath about him having a decisive moment on Ukraine.
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Speaker 3: That's a very fair point, because of course he was
22:43
Speaker 3: against the Chinese lease of the Darwin Port in opposition.
22:47
Speaker 3: He gets to government, he doesn't do anything about it,
22:51
Speaker 3: and he rolls over before he has his visit to
22:53
Speaker 3: China and says all the nice things that Chinese want
22:55
Speaker 3: him to say. Hey, the Abrams tanks, they're also in
22:58
Speaker 3: the mix here with Ukraine. Haven't listened to what the
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Speaker 3: Defense Minister Richard Miles had to say this morning?
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Speaker 11: Now co operational reasons. Why I go into the detail
23:08
Speaker 11: of that timeline.
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Speaker 1: They were promised last October, so that was five months ago.
23:14
Speaker 2: Were they going to arrive in a timely fashion soon or.
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Speaker 11: Well, they'll definitely arrive in a timely fashion and they'll
23:20
Speaker 11: arrive in a time frame that we've agreed with Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this folk fills me with no confidence whatsoever.
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Speaker 10: These ruly words about appropriate time frame, and he can't
23:35
Speaker 10: tell us about the time frame for operational reasons. Five
23:39
Speaker 10: months ago they were meant to be being provided to Ukraine.
23:43
Speaker 10: Defense officials said, at estimates last week the first ones
23:46
Speaker 10: might appear in July to September, nine months on. And
23:52
Speaker 10: in contrast, the UK government when they announced in January
23:55
Speaker 10: twenty twenty three they were giving fourteen Challenger tanks to
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Speaker 10: the Ukrainians, they delivered on that two and a half
24:02
Speaker 10: months later.
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Speaker 8: This will be a year on.
24:05
Speaker 10: And still all words.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't fill me with confidence again that if we
24:12
Speaker 3: had to put our military to the sharp end of
24:15
Speaker 3: a spear in any meaningful way in Australia, you know,
24:18
Speaker 3: if China was bearing down our neck, if we were
24:20
Speaker 3: headed towards Taiwan or something like that, you don't have
24:23
Speaker 3: nine ten months to get your act together.
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Speaker 10: Well, and you don't have international shipping lines that can
24:31
Speaker 10: move big, heavy items to stable ports. God forbid, our
24:35
Speaker 10: military has to move tanks somewhere unpleasant.
24:40
Speaker 3: Let's just go to China and the naval vessels as
24:43
Speaker 3: we know that have been on the East coast and
24:44
Speaker 3: now heading towards our west coast. In response, we've got
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Speaker 3: US submarines, austraight in submarines and an air warfare destroyer
24:53
Speaker 3: spotted leaving HMAS Sterling. This is our base just south
24:57
Speaker 3: of Perth. Given we're a week on since this episode
25:02
Speaker 3: on the East coast, surely they could have got to
25:05
Speaker 3: water earlier than this.
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Speaker 10: Well, it looks like that Virgin Pilot's news has traveled
25:12
Speaker 10: slowly across the country to the defense base at Stirling.
25:16
Speaker 10: This does look too little, too late, and to me
25:19
Speaker 10: it feels a little bit like sweeping up after the
25:22
Speaker 10: Mardi Gras parade has finished. Now, as I drove up
25:26
Speaker 10: here in Canberra, I saw an Australian Navy helicopter flying
25:30
Speaker 10: around Canberra dangling a very large flag below it, and
25:33
Speaker 10: I wondered, was this part of the surveillance operation.
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Speaker 2: I'll go to help us, Michael.
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Speaker 3: Just before we go, China's annual meeting of the National
25:42
Speaker 3: People's Congress and the Chinese People's Political Consultative Committee happening
25:47
Speaker 3: both this week. Major event, of course, Vig what should
25:51
Speaker 3: we be looking for here?
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Speaker 10: I think four things. Will hear the Chinese premiere talking
25:58
Speaker 10: up China's me trying to paper over its disastrous news
26:04
Speaker 10: on consumption spending and its continued property and financial collapses.
26:09
Speaker 10: We'll look we'll see more of the purge of senior
26:12
Speaker 10: pla military figures that she has underway. We'll hear about
26:18
Speaker 10: how wonderful the Chinese system of government is compared to
26:21
Speaker 10: the chaos in Washington. And we'll have she talking about
26:27
Speaker 10: how unreliable America is as a partner, a core Chinese
26:31
Speaker 10: propaganda line that events are letting him make hay with.
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Speaker 2: Aha. We will watch this closely, Michael Shibbish, thank you.
26:40
Speaker 3: After the break, the astounding rates of insolvencies in Victoria
26:43
Speaker 3: as the state turns its back on labor both at
26:46
Speaker 3: a state and federal level. Plus a bit later on
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Speaker 3: Live to London, the Starma government looks to pander to
26:52
Speaker 3: growing demands of the Muslim vote block.
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Speaker 2: Welcome Back's to come.
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Speaker 3: Growing concerns over free speech in the United Kingdom as
27:03
Speaker 3: the star Work government considers a new definition of Islamophobia.
27:07
Speaker 3: But first, for anyone who lives in Victoria, you know
27:09
Speaker 3: what an economic basket case the state's become. But further
27:12
Speaker 3: data today just underpins how bad things have got. Victoria
27:17
Speaker 3: is the mainland state with the greatest surge and insolvencies
27:20
Speaker 3: over the past eight months, having seen some sixty three
27:23
Speaker 3: percent increase in people going bust. By comparison, Queensland was
27:29
Speaker 3: up by forty four percent, New South Wales just thirty.
27:33
Speaker 3: Now this matter is not just to Victorians but all Australians,
27:36
Speaker 3: given Victoria used to be the key driver of Australia's
27:40
Speaker 3: overall economy, even now second only to New South Wales,
27:44
Speaker 3: but nipping at its heels is Queensland now and WA
27:48
Speaker 3: joined me to discuss this. Victorian Shadow Minister for Financial
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Speaker 3: Integrity and Budget Repair David Davis, Well, you hear all
27:56
Speaker 3: this anecdotal evidence and people tell you they know of
27:59
Speaker 3: this business is missing. You look down the high street
28:02
Speaker 3: you can see the shops are up for leae. But
28:04
Speaker 3: these sorts of statistics are damning.
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Speaker 12: They are damning. And you know, I can go down
28:09
Speaker 12: outside my office in South Era and Chapel Street has
28:12
Speaker 12: got massive closures. It's a very serious situation. The insolvencies
28:18
Speaker 12: are up and it's because of the state government's mismanagement
28:22
Speaker 12: of the economy. We've got much more debt, We've got
28:24
Speaker 12: many more taxes and increased taxes, and that is hitting
28:28
Speaker 12: people very hard. And regulation. The state government has put
28:31
Speaker 12: on layer after layer of regulation, and you know, the
28:36
Speaker 12: Chamber of Commerce has made it clear that we've got
28:39
Speaker 12: the most regulation of any state or territory in the country.
28:43
Speaker 12: So it's not surprising with that incompetence and the environment
28:48
Speaker 12: being so unfriendly to business, that there's actually a surgeon insolvencies.
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Speaker 3: I want to get to a comment. Yes, it's a
28:57
Speaker 3: federal poll on resolves numbers yesterday. This is bigger partner
29:01
Speaker 3: red Bridge Pole a federal seats and Jevity for Labor.
29:05
Speaker 3: Labour's two PP has gone from fifty one point four
29:08
Speaker 3: percent at the last election to a very low forty
29:11
Speaker 3: three percent.
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Speaker 2: This is a two party preferred.
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Speaker 3: A lot of the talk amongst Federal Labor and PS
29:16
Speaker 3: in Victoria is that this is all the fault of
29:18
Speaker 3: the state government.
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Speaker 2: How fair is that.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's certainly a very big part of it. I
29:23
Speaker 12: don't let Elbow off the hook. I mean, he's clearly
29:26
Speaker 12: been a very bad prime minister. But in Victoria, it
29:30
Speaker 12: is a special case. You've got crime that's surging out
29:34
Speaker 12: of control, home invasions, and that is right across areas,
29:39
Speaker 12: including my electorate. But also you've got the economic situation.
29:44
Speaker 12: You've got the standard of living falling, taxes going up,
29:48
Speaker 12: people doing it very tough, and the standard of living
29:52
Speaker 12: is actually falling in Victoria at the moment in households.
29:56
Speaker 12: So you know, it's not surprising that Elbow wants to
29:59
Speaker 12: keep his distance. It's not surprising that he actually understands
30:04
Speaker 12: that Victoria is a basket case. And it's actually very
30:08
Speaker 12: bad for him, that's for sure, But it's bad for Victorians.
30:12
Speaker 12: That's the terrible thing they are doing badly.
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Speaker 3: You're right, because there's stories today that the Prime Minister
30:18
Speaker 3: wants nothing to do with the Premier when he's in Victoria,
30:20
Speaker 3: doesn't want to.
30:21
Speaker 2: Stand near her.
30:22
Speaker 3: I might add a lot of the Prime Minister's colleagues
30:24
Speaker 3: are saying, please don't come near my seat. You're sort
30:26
Speaker 3: of you're a pox on everyone's house. But if he
30:29
Speaker 3: doesn't want to stand near the Premier, and she is
30:32
Speaker 3: absolutely desperate, as we know, for the suburban rail loop
30:35
Speaker 3: to get cash from camera, this doesn't bode well for
30:38
Speaker 3: labor in the campaign down here, or for Victorians.
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Speaker 12: Well, Victorians are in a bad position. The massive tax
30:44
Speaker 12: increases the falling standard of living. That is actually really
30:48
Speaker 12: something that people are feeling very strongly. And as I say,
30:51
Speaker 12: the crime is a particular problem here more than more
30:56
Speaker 12: than elsewhere. When it comes to the suburban rail loop,
30:59
Speaker 12: I mean, this is a grand wide elephant that the
31:02
Speaker 12: government has said would cost fifty billion for three sections.
31:07
Speaker 12: They're now saying it'll be thirty five odd billion for
31:10
Speaker 12: one part. But actually no one believes that they know
31:13
Speaker 12: the costs are surging out of control there. And you
31:18
Speaker 12: know Elbow, yeah, well he will he support that. I
31:22
Speaker 12: don't know beyond the modest amount that he's contributed. There's
31:28
Speaker 12: a real problem with the funding of this state. Government's
31:31
Speaker 12: got some money. They say they're going to get it
31:33
Speaker 12: all out of value capture. Well, that means charges and
31:38
Speaker 12: taxes and levies on people, on houses, on land, on
31:45
Speaker 12: the businesses that are going to be impacted, screw a
31:50
Speaker 12: lot of money out of people.
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Speaker 3: Given where we are now in Victoria, given the deckburn,
31:54
Speaker 3: and given all the other challenges, it's not a priority.
31:56
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the biggest challenges in the state now,
31:58
Speaker 3: of course, is energy timement of coal forced for a
32:01
Speaker 3: tirement of coal five power in this state. It's a
32:05
Speaker 3: state that's rich in gas, but it's got a gas
32:08
Speaker 3: shortage because for too long it wouldn't explore for gas,
32:13
Speaker 3: it would mine for gas. And now there's a decision
32:16
Speaker 3: that's before the government. This is about an import terminal.
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Speaker 2: So Victoria with all this gas is going to have
32:22
Speaker 2: to import gas to keep the lights off.
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Speaker 8: It's a very odd position. They've been in power. It's crazy.
32:29
Speaker 12: They've been in power now for eleven years and they
32:32
Speaker 12: have not allowed the exploration of gas through that period
32:35
Speaker 12: eleven years, no exploration permits, and that's a problem. It
32:41
Speaker 12: means that the rundown of gas in Bass Strait, which
32:44
Speaker 12: is predictable. There are old fields and the amount of
32:48
Speaker 12: gases are running down. But we need to be looking
32:51
Speaker 12: for gas. We need to be exploring for conventional gas
32:55
Speaker 12: on shore.
32:56
Speaker 8: And we know it's there.
32:57
Speaker 12: We know it's there, so you've got to get on
33:00
Speaker 12: the gas and bring not only bring the price down,
33:03
Speaker 12: but give security to industry. They've declared war on gas virtually.
33:09
Speaker 12: The Gas Substitution Roadmap is a document that looks at
33:16
Speaker 12: banning so many steps. They've already banned new gas on
33:20
Speaker 12: the States, but now they're saying with the regulatory impact
33:24
Speaker 12: statement that closed on Friday, they're saying that if your
33:28
Speaker 12: gas heater it dies because it's reached the end of
33:33
Speaker 12: its life, it will be illegal to replace that with
33:36
Speaker 12: a gas heater. If your gas hot water service breaks,
33:42
Speaker 12: it will be illegal to replace that with a gas
33:45
Speaker 12: hot water service. You'll have to convert to electricity, whether
33:49
Speaker 12: you want to or not. We say very clearly this
33:51
Speaker 12: is a matter of choice, and we need to bring
33:54
Speaker 12: on gas because it's important domestically in Victoria, but it's
33:59
Speaker 12: critically important for industry.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's critically important for industry. There goes the jobs
34:03
Speaker 3: in Victoria. I mean, Victoria used to be a huge
34:07
Speaker 3: manufacturing state, heavy industry value added in part from the
34:12
Speaker 3: Latrobe Valley, but you haven't.
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Speaker 2: Got that in no.
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Speaker 12: And it's got to be that we need that new
34:17
Speaker 12: gas and we need to make sure that gas is
34:19
Speaker 12: available so that people can actually both domestically and in
34:24
Speaker 12: businesses do what they need to do.
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Speaker 2: I live there, David Davis, thank you, pleasure.
34:28
Speaker 3: Right after Raak, we've got to the UK labors push
34:31
Speaker 3: it there to define as homophobia link to the rise
34:34
Speaker 3: of Islamic political movements. If countries like Australia, mark my words,
34:38
Speaker 3: this attack on free speech will end up here. The
34:40
Speaker 3: brilliant and brave Ian heresy, Ali coming up. Plus that
34:44
Speaker 3: thirty five billion of your money spent to try and
34:46
Speaker 3: buy your vote and the official campaign hasn't even started.
34:56
Speaker 3: Welcome back even of broken clocks right twice a day,
34:58
Speaker 3: isn't it. And that's what happens when the former CFMU
35:01
Speaker 3: and John Secca gave his his assessment of the Prime Minister.
35:04
Speaker 3: I'll show you just what Seca had to say in
35:07
Speaker 3: a moment the first the UK government has created a
35:10
Speaker 3: working group to come up with a new definition of
35:13
Speaker 3: Islamophobia following what was a biased parliamentary inquiry. It comes
35:18
Speaker 3: a bit growing concerns that such a definition would lead
35:21
Speaker 3: to a crackdown on free speech in the UK. Joined
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Speaker 3: me now to discuss this and more. New Credlin regular author.
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Speaker 3: I'm Messi Ali, I welcome to the program.
35:31
Speaker 2: Terrific to have you.
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Speaker 3: As always, this push for an official Islamophobia definitions about
35:38
Speaker 3: building a constituency to back it in, not actually about
35:41
Speaker 3: testing the merits of any definition, isn't.
35:44
Speaker 13: It absolutely yes? The Labor Party in the United Kingdom,
35:50
Speaker 13: as other center left parties in Europe with large numbers
35:55
Speaker 13: of Muslim immigrants, is they've come to depend on that
36:03
Speaker 13: vote and they have to give something in return for
36:08
Speaker 13: the votes they get. And what the Islamists want is
36:12
Speaker 13: to islamize society. They want to introduce more and more
36:16
Speaker 13: shereer compliant rules, they want to convert non Muslims. They've
36:21
Speaker 13: developed a well coordinated victim narrative, and of course they
36:25
Speaker 13: want to shut down the level playing field of ideas
36:30
Speaker 13: and arguments. And that's what Islamophobia really is for.
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Speaker 2: So what's the concern If there was a new legal definition.
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Speaker 13: The concern would be that you would not be able
36:44
Speaker 13: to criticize Islam at all. For instance, for someone like me,
36:48
Speaker 13: if I lived in Britain, I would not be able
36:51
Speaker 13: to talk about the gang rapes of the children who
36:57
Speaker 13: are subjected to horrific, horrific creeps by Pakistani and Bangladeshi residents.
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Speaker 13: Criticizing that would be islamophobic. If you wanted to talk
37:09
Speaker 13: about radical Islamic terrorists preaching in masks, that would be islamophobic.
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Speaker 13: That would be prohibited by that hate crime. If you
37:19
Speaker 13: want to talk about the spread the ilamization agenda of
37:23
Speaker 13: the Islamists, the building of masques and other infrastructure, all
37:29
Speaker 13: of that would be islamophobic, and so they would be
37:32
Speaker 13: able to spread their influence and control of the constituencies
37:37
Speaker 13: where they outnumber the local people, and no one would
37:40
Speaker 13: be able to say anything about it, because that would
37:43
Speaker 13: be islamophobic and you'd be fined or you'd be imprisoned.
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Speaker 3: When I was in London, I sat down with Nigel
37:50
Speaker 3: Faraj and he made this striking observation about the shifting demographics.
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Speaker 2: In the UK. Have a listen.
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Speaker 14: If you got the demography, the sheer number of young
38:02
Speaker 14: Muslim teenagers living in northern cities and towns who will
38:07
Speaker 14: be eligible to vote for the time in the next
38:10
Speaker 14: general election. Guards of Independence next time won't win four seats,
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Speaker 14: They win thirty, maybe forty, all coming straight from a
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Speaker 14: labor party.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is what's encouraging labor. I am, that's.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely what's encouraging labor. So he has a point there.
38:30
Speaker 13: Just the sheer volume the numbers of people who will
38:34
Speaker 13: vote for these Islamist agenda are getting bigger and bigger.
38:38
Speaker 13: And it's not just that this is why it's so
38:40
Speaker 13: important to talk about the infrastructure of masks and Islamic centers.
38:45
Speaker 13: That's where then these young people are corralled into and inductrinated.
38:50
Speaker 13: So it's not just that their numbers are growing, it's
38:53
Speaker 13: also that they're voting for on a genda that is
38:56
Speaker 13: anti British and it's anti women, and it's unti Jewish,
39:01
Speaker 13: it's anti Western. And so you're basically creating, through paradoxically
39:07
Speaker 13: legal means, through the ballot box, a parallel society where
39:12
Speaker 13: Sharia is introduced and becomes ever more formalized. So we'll
39:17
Speaker 13: go from Sharia lite to you know, a little bit
39:20
Speaker 13: harder and a little bit harder, and then you have
39:23
Speaker 13: the ghettos that are already formed will become formalized. And
39:28
Speaker 13: that's already happening in many countries.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I want to come back to this
39:34
Speaker 3: next week when I speak to you again, because I
39:35
Speaker 3: don't think Australians have a really good understanding of what
39:40
Speaker 3: Islamic structures are already in place, particularly legally in the
39:44
Speaker 3: United Kingdom. But before we go, I've got to get
39:47
Speaker 3: a comment from you about the recent German elections, because
39:50
Speaker 3: there was a massive surge of support there, not just
39:52
Speaker 3: for the center right parties, but for a party out
39:56
Speaker 3: further on the right, the Alternative for Germany Party AFG.
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Speaker 3: What what's this the referendum? Do you think about immigration
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Speaker 3: in Germany?
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Speaker 13: So, Germany has been dealing with a lot of immigration
40:12
Speaker 13: from Muslim majority countries, from Iraq, Afghanistansiria in twenty fifteen
40:17
Speaker 13: and so on. They've also been dealing with a lot
40:20
Speaker 13: of crime and in particular also arise in terrorist activities.
40:24
Speaker 13: And Germans have been voting for the closing of their borders.
40:29
Speaker 13: They don't want any more immigrants, and I think what
40:32
Speaker 13: they want really is to assimilate the immigrants who are
40:34
Speaker 13: already there. And so what you see is a disconnect
40:39
Speaker 13: between the German elite on the one hand and the
40:42
Speaker 13: German citizens who are voting for the closing of borders
40:46
Speaker 13: and less immigration. And that's what's making the AfD party
40:50
Speaker 13: bigger and bigger through every election.
40:54
Speaker 3: All Right, we'll come back to, as I said, the
40:56
Speaker 3: UK Sharia structures next week. Iron great to have you
41:00
Speaker 3: on the program. After the break, the Albanezi government throws
41:04
Speaker 3: more cash at voters in an attempt to buy the
41:06
Speaker 3: coming election. Plus revelations an indigenous group behind the blaming
41:10
Speaker 3: gold mine ban is now targeting the home of the
41:13
Speaker 3: Baptist one thousand Mount Panorama.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, a lock to get through.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in my padd on now, Queensland Federal MP
41:24
Speaker 3: the Member for Petrie Luke Haworth Menzi's Research Center, senior
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Speaker 3: Fellow Columns two with the Australian Nkata Jens. I want
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Speaker 3: to start with more spending today from the alban Easy
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Speaker 3: government seven and a half billion dollars, this time partially
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Speaker 3: for schools, public schools in New South Wales. Also to
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Speaker 3: pay aged care workers more, despite the fact here with
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Speaker 3: his twelve percent increase, they are all privately employed, they're
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Speaker 3: not public servants. All up, Luke Hawe, we've got thirty
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Speaker 3: five billion that the government has thrown out the door
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Speaker 3: since January to wool over voters.
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Speaker 2: We're drowning in.
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Speaker 3: Debt and the official campaign hasn't even started.
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Speaker 8: Well, Peter, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 15: Thirty five billion in additional expenditure on top of what
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Speaker 15: they've spent in the last three years, and as you say,
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Speaker 15: the campaign hasn't even been called. It's due to be
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Speaker 15: called soon, but it hasn't been called yet, and we
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Speaker 15: know that Albani and his ministers will throw a lot
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Speaker 15: more around then. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 15: it's Australians and people that are paying for it. The
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Speaker 15: Australian people are the ones that paying for it through
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Speaker 15: higher costs when they go to businesses, or through higher taxes.
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Speaker 15: And at the end of the day, Australians can't spend
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Speaker 15: more than what they earn. But this Prime Minister won't
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Speaker 15: go to a budget because the ten year four cast
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Speaker 15: looks terrible, the four year four cast looks terrible, and
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Speaker 15: he's spending Australians money to try and buy votes. People
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Speaker 15: are awake up, Trim and they know the last three
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Speaker 15: years have been hard and if there's another three years
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Speaker 15: under Labor it'll even be harder.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to promises they've made.
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Speaker 3: This is the Labor ten billion dollar Housing Australia Future Fund.
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Speaker 2: It's a massive failure, Nick Cator. No new houses have.
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Speaker 3: Been built and excuse me, in the almost two years
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Speaker 3: since the fund was announced, we learned in centate estimates
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Speaker 3: the three hundred homes they crow about that are soon
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Speaker 3: to be completed, not there yet, but soon to be completed.
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Speaker 2: Actually are just renovations.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is about thirty three million dollars per house
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Speaker 3: if my numbers are right.
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Speaker 2: This is a joke.
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Speaker 8: It is Peter fail.
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Speaker 6: I checked just before we came on air the latest
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Speaker 6: real estate prices. You can get a five bedroom, six
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Speaker 6: bathroomed house in Tuak for half of that, So plainly
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Speaker 6: it's ridiculous. But I know that everything the government does
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Speaker 6: is always much more expensive than the private sector.
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Speaker 8: But this is silly.
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Speaker 6: It's exactly the same problem the ire do and government
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Speaker 6: run into promising big on these housing and delivering nothing.
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Speaker 8: But the point you make is right.
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Speaker 6: I mean these actually existing houses that they're just repurposing.
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Speaker 6: They are not doing anything to ease the housing crisis
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Speaker 6: and not producing more houses. And if the government buys
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Speaker 6: up houses to us for social housing, that just makes
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Speaker 6: the rest of the housing sector that much more competitiveness,
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Speaker 6: that keeps prices high, so they're not helping anybody whatsoever here.
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Speaker 6: And once again with labor, it's all about the announcement,
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Speaker 6: not the follow through.
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Speaker 3: And we know something's going on that's corrupt at every
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Speaker 3: single level of our governments in this country. We've got
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Speaker 3: more land than almost any other nation state in the world,
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Speaker 3: more available vacant land, and yet we've got housing prices
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Speaker 3: at some of the most expensive in the world.
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Speaker 2: Let's go change of paces.
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Speaker 3: As a labor insider, Union insider former heavyweight John Setka
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Speaker 3: who was asked about Anthony Albanezi in a podcast interview
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Speaker 3: with Neil Mitchell, and he.
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Speaker 8: Had this to say to me, Well, I know he's weak.
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Speaker 1: He's weakest pissed, to be quite honest, doesn't he know
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Speaker 1: his work?
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Speaker 7: What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: Well, I had an incident which I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: go into with him, and let me tell you, I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be in the trenches with Albow if
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Speaker 1: we're in the war. He'd be the last person I
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Speaker 1: want in my foxhole with me.
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Speaker 2: All Right.
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Speaker 3: His language is a bit off there, but his assessment
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Speaker 3: of Albanese's leadership, Luke's got to be pretty accurate.
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Speaker 15: Well, look, guy wouldn't normally always agree with John Setker,
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Speaker 15: but I agree with him one hundred percent on this.
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Speaker 8: Peter Albanezi is weak.
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Speaker 15: I've observed him myself in Parliament over many years, and
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Speaker 15: particularly in the last three years.
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Speaker 8: He as weak as water.
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Speaker 15: And what you don't want in a leader is someone
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Speaker 15: who is weak and untrustworthy, and unfortunately for Australians with Albanizi.
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Speaker 8: We've got both.
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Speaker 15: He's been weak on issues like anti Semitism, tried to
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Speaker 15: have a foot in both camp right from day one.
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Speaker 15: And we know he's untrustworthy when we look at what
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Speaker 15: he said prior to the last election and then what
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Speaker 15: he did so at a time right now when change
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Speaker 15: it when there's changes in the world and locally we
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Speaker 15: need strong leaders and Albanese's failing us on every level,
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Speaker 15: so we desperately need change.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll make the point. If he's weak now
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Speaker 3: in a majority government, he'll be incredibly weak if he
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Speaker 3: has to deal with the Adam Band and the Teals
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Speaker 3: basically before he gets out of bed in the morning.
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Speaker 3: I saw that with Julia Gillard with the hung parliament
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Speaker 3: in twenty ten.
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Speaker 2: She was tougher.
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Speaker 3: He is weaker, and it was bad enough then. I
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Speaker 3: hate to think what it could be like into the future.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to Mount Panorama. If you like your motorsport,
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Speaker 3: I'm shouting out to my make Paul Murray here. If
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Speaker 3: you like your motorsport. It could be in jeopardy NICKETA.
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Speaker 3: The mob that are behind the Blainey gold Mine band.
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Speaker 3: They're now targeting Mount Panorama. This is the Warrigi Central
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Speaker 3: West Aboriginal Council. They've launched a bid to hold a
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Speaker 3: smoking ceremony up there, and a whole lot of other
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Speaker 3: things have happened.
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Speaker 2: How do you think this will play out?
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Speaker 6: This Morodery Corporation Central West. I think it's called they are.
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Speaker 6: It's not transparent what that organization is, what it's purposes,
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Speaker 6: who funds it. You can't find anything if you go
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Speaker 6: on to you know, what was the former charities commissioned
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Speaker 6: website or nothing about their finances. So I think we
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Speaker 6: need to know that, and we need to know whether
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Speaker 6: they actually represent Aboriginal people at all, because at the
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Speaker 6: moment they don't look to me like a not for
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Speaker 6: profit or organization. They look like a for profit organization.
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Speaker 6: So you can see that they're making a play in
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Speaker 6: making a play for Mount Panorama that is Aboriginal land.
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Speaker 6: But that allows them then to charge a huge amount
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Speaker 6: to the people who want to want a car race
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Speaker 6: up there. That's that I think is the most convincing.
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Speaker 6: That's what's themation I can find for this, Yeah, exactly
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Speaker 6: as a huge or follow the money trail when it
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Speaker 6: comes to this stuff, follow the money trail.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the fallout that's continuing for the citizenship
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Speaker 3: ceremonies from Tony Burke. James Patterson is demanding the governments
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Speaker 3: share the contact details of all these new tens of
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Speaker 3: thousands of Australians. I might add it have been sworn
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Speaker 3: in by Burke. Now, this is actually part of the
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Speaker 3: official code for ceremonies. You are supposed to give the
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Speaker 3: local member the opportunity to welcome these new Australians to
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Speaker 3: the community.
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Speaker 2: The fact that they're not handing out.
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Speaker 3: These details, Luke says that this is absolutely a political ploy.
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Speaker 15: Well, I think Tony Burke is trying to buy votes
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Speaker 15: before the election. Citizenship ceremonies are supposed to be non political, bipartisan.
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Speaker 8: You're not supposed to talk about politics.
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Speaker 15: I attend a lot of them in my own community,
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Speaker 15: and as a federal member, I'll often attend a lot
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Speaker 15: of them and even read the minister's message. Given there's
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Speaker 15: no labor members in my area and I'm always straight
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Speaker 15: down the line, read that.
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Speaker 8: Message as you're supposed to.
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Speaker 15: We're not there to sprook our policies and we're certainly
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Speaker 15: not there to buy votes. And it just seems like
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Speaker 15: in this position that's exactly what he's doing by not
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Speaker 15: inviting the elected Liberal members.
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Speaker 2: Well, Jennings, so I got to leave it there. Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much for your time.
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Speaker 3: Hey, I want to add, with all this talk about
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Speaker 3: gender pay gaps since nineteen sixty nine, Australians do not
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Speaker 3: forget that a man and a woman doing the same
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Speaker 3: job have to be paid the same amount under law.
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Speaker 2: To see that for what it is, that's it for me.
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Speaker 2: See tomorrow night at six. Here's Andrew