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Patriots Unfiltered 9/3: Week 1 is Here, 2024 Captains, Finding Elite Wide Receivers · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium, and most importantly,
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  Speaker 2: we're two days away from the opening of the NFL
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  Speaker 2: regular season. We're only a few days away from the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots traveling to Cincinnati to get ready to play the
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  Speaker 2: Bengals for their season opener.
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  Speaker 2: Again and you feel the electricity.
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  Speaker 6: Chris this morning in fall. It feels, you know, it
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  Speaker 6: feels like it's the time is right to begin the
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  Speaker 6: football campaign of twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Deuce, it's me, it's Paul, it's Evan, Matt
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  Speaker 2: and thea booth We're going to talk about the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: for the next two hours. A lot to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: obviously as they get ready for the Cincinnati Bengals, But
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  Speaker 2: it seems like, you know, previewing who the Bengals are
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  Speaker 2: are kind of secondary to like just talking about the
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  Speaker 2: team itself, in the state of the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: And what it's going to look.
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  Speaker 2: Like going into this game, because really no one has
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  Speaker 2: any idea.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we kind of have an.
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  Speaker 2: Idea about the defense and what we think it should
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  Speaker 2: look like based on a lot of there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of carryover from last year. Even with coaches, there's there's carryover.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes to the offense, for me at least,
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  Speaker 2: it's a whole new world. I have no clue what
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  Speaker 2: it's going to look like.
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  Speaker 6: I think they're going to try to run the ball.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it seems like that's what I kind of
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  Speaker 6: to that's the one thing to start the starting point
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  Speaker 6: with the offense. But I've said it before, it's like,
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  Speaker 6: how productive are these wide receivers going to be? You know,
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  Speaker 6: how effective is the passing game going to be? The
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  Speaker 6: pass protection? You know, we see it seems like the
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  Speaker 6: injuries to Low and so have carried over into this week,
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  Speaker 6: so was not spotted, but he did talk at his
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  Speaker 6: locker room. It's a whole new world. And then you
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  Speaker 6: know Lowe was out there, but have you said he
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  Speaker 6: was He was pretty limited, so.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, that's late developmentre we go, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: And then I mean, not to get into Bengals, but
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  Speaker 6: like Jamar Chase is watching practice and a T shirt
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  Speaker 6: as of yesterday, still so is you know, are they
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  Speaker 6: going to figure that out? It seems like the Bengals
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  Speaker 6: whole off season has been about everybody wants to get
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  Speaker 6: paid now and they're you know, trying to figure out
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  Speaker 6: how to how to make it all work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were at practice yesterday and there's chooks the
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  Speaker 4: corps for a left tackle. Then Nick Leverett and Michael
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  Speaker 4: Jordan were switching off at left guard because there's no
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  Speaker 4: city so right now Robinson still in when he still
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  Speaker 4: has the right side. So there, that's what it's trending towards.
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  Speaker 4: I guess is probably the starting five and maybe at
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  Speaker 4: left car there's going to be a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: a rotation between Leverett and Michael Jordan, but it's not
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  Speaker 4: exactly reassuring.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, I would trade.
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  Speaker 2: I would trade for continuity, stability and communication on the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line for Jamar Chase playing. Like if I could
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  Speaker 2: trade that, Jamar Chase is going to play for sure,
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  Speaker 2: but we knew who this offensive line was and it
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  Speaker 2: was you know, stable, I trade that at this point.
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  Speaker 5: That's a great pH Well, p U debate right there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, no answer, there's no right answer, no way
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  Speaker 5: of you know.
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  Speaker 6: Chase just hopping and play. I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 6: kind of I would.
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  Speaker 5: Rather have the other thing. Would Chase not playing? It
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  Speaker 5: looks like is probably going to happen because I think
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  Speaker 5: it'd be hard pressed to keep up with him if
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  Speaker 5: if Chase worth ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: But I think they have other good receivers too, so
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  Speaker 2: and they still let Joe Burrow.
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  Speaker 6: And changed over. Yeah, I mean, so there's gonna be
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  Speaker 6: some questions in the spot with andre Yoshiva's I believe
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  Speaker 6: this is always say yeah from Princeton, big athletic guy,
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  Speaker 6: which you know we'll get into matchups, but.
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  Speaker 2: Here we got things have changed. So paulse you know
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  Speaker 2: what Paul's doing. He's setting it up. If Chase doesn't play,
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots should win.
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  Speaker 5: If they don't I'm not setting it up for that.
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  Speaker 5: You're not doing a fella, guy, No, No, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: setting it up for that. I think they're going to
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  Speaker 5: have a hard time. But I think if Chase was
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  Speaker 5: one hundred percent and ready to go, I think the
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  Speaker 5: Patriots offense would be hard pressed to keep up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's what I'm trying to I.
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  Speaker 6: Say two in the twenty twenty two game with the Browns,
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  Speaker 6: would pre say that those Chase didn't play in that game,
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  Speaker 6: and they didn't you know, they weren't very productive. So
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  Speaker 6: he's that's no secret. He's He's a huge part of
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  Speaker 6: what they do. And it seems like the Sicki's their
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  Speaker 6: number one tight end now too, which is a little
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  Speaker 6: bit strange.
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  Speaker 4: I me and Drew Sample can make the case for
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots for a second.
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  Speaker 3: Make the case.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna make the case. Make the case there are
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  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm saying there's a chance. I'm not picking
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots, but I'm saying there's a chance based off
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  Speaker 4: of some of the trends that you look at between
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  Speaker 4: these two teams. I think the biggest one being Jacoby
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  Speaker 4: Brisset trounce this team in twenty twenty two, just two
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  Speaker 4: years go thirty two to thirteen in that game in Cleveland,
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  Speaker 4: played pretty well in that game. The Browns under Stefanski
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  Speaker 4: and Alex van Pelt six and two in four seasons
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  Speaker 4: against the Bengals, so they were kind of the thorn
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  Speaker 4: in the Bengals side in that division. It's one of
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  Speaker 4: those weird division matchups where the Browns owned the Bengals,
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  Speaker 4: even though you probably would think it would be the
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  Speaker 4: other way around. Last trend Joe Burrow in week ones.
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  Speaker 4: They are notoriously slow starters in Cincinnati. Joe Burrow's one
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  Speaker 4: in three in weak ones as the starter since he
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  Speaker 4: got drafted by the Bengals. So I'm not saying they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna win. I'm not necessarily picking the Patriots. But there's
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  Speaker 4: always those matchups, especially division matchups, where somebody just knows
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  Speaker 4: something about the other team, and maybe Alex van Pellt
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  Speaker 4: has that Pittsburgh Steeler blueprint that we're used to around
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  Speaker 4: here on lou Anna Marumo. See, I knew I was
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  Speaker 4: going to butcher it just lou Ana Rumo. Maybe they
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  Speaker 4: just have the.
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  Speaker 2: Just to the Jet Division has always been creazy. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even when the Browns were down, they they would have
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  Speaker 2: good games, if not winning games against the Steelers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so that's always been a very competitive division
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  Speaker 2: amongst them.
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  Speaker 6: How competitive you know, it's a lot of the Patriot
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  Speaker 6: games in their division that over the years that you know,
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  Speaker 6: you know, Miami was always tough. I mean the Jets even.
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  Speaker 6: I know there were some mixed in trouncings in there too,
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  Speaker 6: but there were you know, overtime games against you know,
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  Speaker 6: teams going to Super Bowls, Patriots teams and Jets teams
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  Speaker 6: going nowhere. So I don't know, I mean, it's wishful thinking.
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  Speaker 6: I just I wish I just feel like it's divisional and.
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  Speaker 5: Well I think it's I mean, is not a fella girl.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to set it up, but it is
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  Speaker 5: a good time to play a team that is better
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  Speaker 5: than you on paper. Sure, you know at the start
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  Speaker 5: of the season when there's a lot of newness and
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  Speaker 5: things aren't really buttoned down. Now, I will say, I
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  Speaker 5: think a lot of their week one issues and those
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  Speaker 5: four years have been related to Burrow. Burrow hasn't made
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  Speaker 5: it out of a training camp healthy and this is
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  Speaker 5: the first time that he will in four years. It's
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  Speaker 5: coming off of twenty acl then an appendectomy, and then
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  Speaker 5: a cap strain. So he entered the season the last
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  Speaker 5: three straight years at well below one hundred percent. This
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  Speaker 5: year he's not, but he's probably gonna be missing his
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  Speaker 5: number one receiver and there's still time, right know how,
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  Speaker 5: you can just live with yourself.
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  Speaker 4: I can hope he also he is coming off of
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  Speaker 4: major injury that ended last season, but.
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  Speaker 5: Not didn't miss any time in camped In the last
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  Speaker 5: three years he's missed time in camp.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just even their month of September record is
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  Speaker 4: not very good in the Borough era. They are just
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  Speaker 4: one of those teams that gets hot at the right time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you want to get hot post Thanksgiving and
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  Speaker 4: then carry it into the playoffs. And that's how Cincinnati
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  Speaker 4: has been. If you're going to play Cincinnati, you want
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  Speaker 4: to play him in September.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not it doesn't you know, it doesn't strike
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  Speaker 5: me as the explosive offense that they've had in the past.
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  Speaker 5: So that's why I think it is a good time
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  Speaker 5: to get him. I you know, if the game is
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  Speaker 5: a little bit lower scoring, then that obviously favors the underdog. Sure,
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  Speaker 5: you know it keeps you, It keeps you in the game.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 5: I do think Cincinnati should be a little bit better
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  Speaker 5: defensively than they were a last year. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: these things don't just work on paper. They they brought
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  Speaker 5: in a couple of safeties that they think are going
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  Speaker 5: to help their secondary out, but doesn't mean it's going
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  Speaker 5: to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: You know with Gino Stone and Von Bell, they they
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  Speaker 5: brought those two guys in and they felt like that
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  Speaker 5: was a huge issue with them trying to replace Jesse
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  Speaker 5: Bates from the year before.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Trum Brown looks like he's going to be on
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  Speaker 6: the right.
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  Speaker 5: Brown's going to have to start for Amarus Mims, who's
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  Speaker 5: not going to doesn't look like he's going to play anyway.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 2: So back to the Patriots offense, still uncertainty on the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line, even just based on the last thing that
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  Speaker 2: we saw at practice, they're still mixing and matching out there.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this last week. Who's the Patriots number
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  Speaker 3: one wide receiver?
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  Speaker 5: I would say Tomario Douglas lining up where Wasn't that
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  Speaker 5: our answer last week?
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  Speaker 4: He's their best receiver. I don't think they have a
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  Speaker 4: number one receiver. I think they're.
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  Speaker 5: Hoping would be the answer.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, to spread the ball around. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they have multiple guys contributing. I don't think they have.
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  Speaker 6: Their number one. But he's not on number one.
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  Speaker 5: I know that. I don't really understand why you don't.
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  Speaker 8: See that.
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  Speaker 3: He's not he's not yet and he's not an X
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  Speaker 3: And for.
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  Speaker 5: Things that really get under Mike us, that's the one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: X Y Z one two football talk.
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  Speaker 4: To be fair, the X thing does boy like people
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  Speaker 4: some people think the only way you can be a
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  Speaker 4: number one receiver as you play X.
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  Speaker 5: That I haven't say so.
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  Speaker 4: Grob Gronkowski was not a number one receiver for ten years.
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  Speaker 4: He's the best tight end on the planet because he
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  Speaker 4: didn't play X. Like I agree with you on that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just but I think speaking solely from
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  Speaker 6: like the Patriots number one like, what does that even
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  Speaker 6: really mean that your best receiver is going to be
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  Speaker 6: a slot receiver on third and medium? Ton is a
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  Speaker 6: splot receiver who almost won m VP a couple of
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  Speaker 6: years ago.
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  Speaker 4: It's a super Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: It's not necessarily like you can't have a number one
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  Speaker 5: receiver who's a slot receiver.
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  Speaker 4: But you just want one that's going to play more
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  Speaker 4: than you need a number one.
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  Speaker 3: Colt got to.
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  Speaker 6: Play every down like Cooper Cup plays every down. I
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  Speaker 6: don't know's gonna play every down.
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  Speaker 5: No, I don't think so he's going to be.
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  Speaker 3: I think the point that we just don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know who's going to emerge as their best receiver,
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  Speaker 2: however you want to call that number one or you know.
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  Speaker 3: What I mean, We just don't know.
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  Speaker 4: They have nice they have the ability to maybe have
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  Speaker 4: some good role players within the roles that they're going
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  Speaker 4: to ask them to play. They don't have anybody that
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  Speaker 4: can just do everything well right, Like they don't have
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  Speaker 4: that number one Jamar Chase. Play them inside, play them outside,
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  Speaker 4: all three levels of the defense. But when you look
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  Speaker 4: at their their receiving room, they each have one thing
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  Speaker 4: that they can kind of hang their hat on that
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  Speaker 4: they're really and that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like if if you truly do spread out
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  Speaker 2: the offense so that the defense has to cover the
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  Speaker 2: whole field, that's great. Now you need a quarterback who
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  Speaker 2: can recognize what's going on out there and make those
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  Speaker 2: decisions to be able to take advantage of that because
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to look the same on every play,
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  Speaker 2: and when you don't have that one guy that attracts
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  Speaker 2: attention from a defense, they can spread out their defense
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more evenly. And again it goes back
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  Speaker 2: to the quarterback to be able to recognize what's going
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  Speaker 2: on and distribute the ball that hasn't been Jacoby Brissett's
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  Speaker 2: m O.
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  Speaker 6: You know no, And I would I would say too,
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  Speaker 6: just to piggyback on like what Evan said, Like they're
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  Speaker 6: from Cincinnati's familiar with what Alex van Pelt probably wants
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  Speaker 6: to do too, Like they probably have a pretty good
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  Speaker 6: sense that it's gonna be a wide zone. They're gonna
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  Speaker 6: be bootlegs, there's gonna be I mean they've said it
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  Speaker 6: in the press, there's gonna be screens. And I mean
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  Speaker 6: if I was a defensive coordinator listening to what the
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  Speaker 6: Patriots have kind of said, like that's what I would be.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Paul's had a great point of you don't
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  Speaker 6: really need to blitz them. I mean, the Bengals aren't
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  Speaker 6: really a big blitzing team anyway. I mean, they want
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  Speaker 6: to win with their front four and those two big
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  Speaker 6: edge guys. So you know, I just I don't think
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  Speaker 6: you overthink it too much. I think you just try
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  Speaker 6: to make the Patriots beat you deep and watch the
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  Speaker 6: wide zone and you know, I mean that's like remember
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  Speaker 6: whenever the Patriots have played Denver, you know, it was
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  Speaker 6: always the whole week talking about it's the wide zone, like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we need to know how to you know,
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  Speaker 6: move what horizontally with the blockers and you know, maintain
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  Speaker 6: our gap integrity. Those kind of talking points. I think
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  Speaker 6: those will be you know, key for Cincinnati. So I
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  Speaker 6: think it goes both ways. They're gonna know kind of
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  Speaker 6: what to expend.
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  Speaker 5: The Bengals. You know, again, we can only go by
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  Speaker 5: last year because we don't have anything you know, currently,
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  Speaker 5: but they were a horrific run defense last year. They
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  Speaker 5: were you know, at the bottom of the league both
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  Speaker 5: in yards allowed on the ground and yards average per carry.
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  Speaker 5: So they brought in Sheldon Rankings. I don't know, it's
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  Speaker 5: weird good enough, you know, to to just like sort
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  Speaker 5: of is he the Devon Godshaw. He's like kind of
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  Speaker 5: a he's more early down player that can stop the run.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, but that that was an
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  Speaker 5: issue for them. Last year, and that's a good defense.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I haven't talks up in a ruma a lot,
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  Speaker 5: and with good reason. He's a he's a really well
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  Speaker 5: respected defensive defensive coordinator. And but you know, at the
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  Speaker 5: same time, they had some glittering issues a year ago.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know if they if they've
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  Speaker 5: fixed those.
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  Speaker 2: Well, especially when you do the pregame show, are you
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  Speaker 2: going to have Mike Petraglia and we're going to have
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Hobson.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Jeff Hobson.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't get tracks on?
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  Speaker 5: We did not, Okay, Jeff, He's been around a while.
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  Speaker 5: Jeff Hopson is uh uh. I like to call these
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: people the Paul of the Bengals. Yeah, okay, good ty
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: praise in a good way way.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: Big lou is gonna be a head coach in the NFL. Yeah,
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: maybe next year. And when you look at the Drake
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: may have it all throwing him out there to a
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: defensive coordinator who you know a lot of people, Tab
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: is like a master of disguise, like he never shows
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: you the same picture twice, A type of coordinator. He's
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: he's trending in that direction towards head coach status in
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: the League. I would say maybe even as soon as
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: next cycle. So he's really really good. But they're very
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: like sound though they're not necessarily this. You watch them
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: on films and it's not super exotic, like I'm not
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: watching this like crazy Amiba defense or something like that.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: But they're very very sound in what they do, and
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: he's very good at changing the picture pre and post
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: nap on the quarterback.
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: That'll be next week the Amba defense.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, next week they'll be we'll talk about that.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: What are we looking at for the availability of Hunter Henry.
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: With the injury report, But he's he's been back at practice,
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: and I mean as far as the because you guys
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: have been watching a little bit longer, right like they've been,
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: they seem like you're out there a while yesterday.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeremy Springer didn't want us to see, you know,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: the punt unit or whatever because we're all gonna tweet out,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: you know, who's in the protection or or something. But yeah,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: we were out there through period five yesterday, which is
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: like right up to team drills, so you know, right
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: through individuals and all that.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: Still kind of doing the same ramp up like they
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: did during training camp with all those.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Conditioning early on yesterday.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So just a reminder to everybody that we're back
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: to our in season schedule Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays at noon,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: so you're gonna have three days going forward of Patriots
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: unfiltered every week and on Thursday we will be doing
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: our picks.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: So not just for the.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Patriots, but we picked the whole league, both straight up
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and against the spread.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: And I can continue my dominance.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: We're pretty damn good at it.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: So your dominant, just saying, you know, overall, I think
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: we've got a pretty good record.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: We do, Yeah, we do.
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: Alex. Alex did pretty goo last year, didn't she.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think she fell off.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she had an off year.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: She's gonna come storming in here to show.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: You the final status Patriots yesterday.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah some of them.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: I had a heart attack there for a second.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Mike looked at me like like he saw a ghost.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: When when And I know that all the listeners now,
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: because our listeners are they're well informed. And when Gerrod
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: Mayo initially announced the captains, he left out Jacobe Brissett
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: and then immediately corrected it when he was was asked
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: about Brissette. But when it happens, Mike had already sort
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: of gotten something together about the captains. In his face
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: was white like, oh no, it's like Girod took the podium.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: I saw they posted my thing and then you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: and I was like, you know, very careful obviously, but he.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Didn't say that. I'm like, oh my god, like I'm
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: looking at Paul and public what. I had no idea
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: what you were talking about, because I didn't know who
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: the captains were, yeacause I'm not in your club.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: No, no, I don't get fined. Only when it happened.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: I thought about being a good company man and being
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: like you know or something like yeah, but I just
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: decided to I was one.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Of the funny thing is I didn't think anything of it,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Like I didn't know, and I didn't think anything.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: I credit for instantly going right to it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I was watching on my computer and I won two
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: three missing something. Oh yeah, but it is Jacoby Brissett,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: David Andrews, David Andrews, John Bentley, Joe and.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: Joe Cardona, Fred Kurrish, Oh no, you were the only
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: one that didn't make it.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: No surprises there.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: I don't think maybe I was a little surprising who
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: I thought was a little surprising.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: I thought Cardona was a little surprised.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Well, some do they need to have a special teams captain?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Is that like a requirement?
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: If they do, I would have thought I would have
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: been Brendan's schooling. To be honest with you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Well, Cardona is the longest tenured player on the team.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I think about he's a long snapper thing.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I know, but he's been on the team a long time.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: And I was a little surprised that Hunter Henry wasn't
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: It was not because he was a captain last year, correct.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: I think there's fewer this year though, is that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I didn't confirm that, but I was thinking about it
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: because Cardona took Slater's spot, so that one was one
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: for one And I don't remember Peppers. Yeah, like I
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: don't remember how that. I want to say there might have.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Been sad last year Mac for Jacobe.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Right, everyone else kind of had it that was in
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: versus out had sort of an even Yeah, so I
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: guess Jabrill Peppers maybe in for Hunter Henry was how
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: I'll look it up.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I was fine right now and I said this during
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: training camp. Peppers might be our best defensive player.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: I think there's a strong argument for that.
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I sort of wrote something about that in the notebook
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: that I posted this morning. Yeah, I just feel like
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: he's trending to that. And this is not I don't
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: mean this to be disrespectful to Peppers, but you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Barbore is gone, Judaan's gone, right, I think Pepper's is
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: the logical.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think, you know, and I absolutely write
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: what you're saying. I think if Barba was here, you'd,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: you know, may make an argument, right, But I think
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Pepper's game has risen a little bit towards you know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: last year, and hopefully it continues to rise.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: But I think it is where Evan and I will
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: take the next half hour off.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: He came on last year, so I you know, I'm
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I think the future is bright for him on this team.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: I just want to see turnovers, So I want to
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: see takeaways from him, you know, I want to see
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: him really involved in those. We didn't see enough of
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: them last year, just as a whole on the defense.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: And and we're talking a little bit. On our preview show,
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Evan was mentioning in the late nineteens teams now they
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: kind of relied on the secondary a little bit more
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: than they had the elite pass rushers, and you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: I just I think you really saw a big drop
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: off last year. Maybe one of the biggest reasons that
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: the win total took such a dramatic dip was just
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: those dried up too. Your turnovers spiked on the offensive
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: side of the ball. So I just think for a
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: team like this is really important this year, get get
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: those takeaways. You know, get christians all. It's not a
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: lot of ball hands on balls this summer. I want
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: to see more of that. I want to see him
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: be able to get some takeaways. Jonathan Jones. I just
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: that's that's such a key for this defense. It seems
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: like they're going to be aggressive, and if they're able
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: to get those takeaways in the secondary, I think it'd
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: just be a huge, huge boost and hopefully Pepperson lead
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: the way.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not as many of Paul's pick threes.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Now there are a few, but they just didn't they
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: didn't have any turnovers.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Mike is right twenty twenty two. That was all it was, right,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: and that's short fields and good field position, and that's
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: you know why you get to eight wins instead of
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: four in a lot of ways, but this safety tandem
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: for the Patriots is like the one thing that I feel.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Like that you can say strength of the team.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: This is a really, really good duo that they have,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: maybe the best duo in the league. If both those
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: guys play to their potential this season, and both players
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: can make splash plays on the ball, both players can
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: play at all three levels of the defense. It's an
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: exciting tandem with Duggar and Pep. And I just wonder
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: you don't have Judah, you don't have bar More. You know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: maybe the way to get after the quarterback is we
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: can get by with only five guys back here, like
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: we have Christian Gonzalez. We have these two safeties and
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: we like a whole lot. Jonathan Jones is like mister
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: steady on the back end too, And maybe they can
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: bring five, bring six guys sometimes to get after quarterbacks.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: That WASKI it's risky.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Well, they did it in eighteen and nineteen when Gilmore
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: was winning Defensive Player of the Year and he was
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: like at his peak. And I'm not trying to say
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: that Christian Gonzalez needs to be that good and in
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the running for Defensive Player of the Year. But if
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: he looks like he did the first month the last season,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: and you can put him on an island against you know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: other team's top receivers and you can come after the quarterback.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: I think my big question right now is like, who
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: is your best nickel and dime players? You know? And
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: I know they can be cornerback, can be safety, but
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: you know, it's it's after the top four with Jones, Gonzales, Dougar, Peppers,
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: who's the next best two guys and what you know?
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: And of course they can rotate and they can put
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: you know, it could be Marcus Jones, it could be
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: Jalen Hawkins. But who are the best Who's the best
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: fifth and sixth guy in the secondary?
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's those two, just depending on you want
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: to be three safety or you want to be like
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: traditional nickel yeah, or.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: Is there anybody else who is even in that mix
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: right now?
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: I think just speaks to their depth.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: I think Marco Wilson might be. But I agree with Evan.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: I think the two guys are the ones you mentioned Mark,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: you know, and if it's not them, it could be
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: some issues because you need some depth. And this is
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: back to the argument that you and I made heading
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: into training camp, Mike about corner. I think safety is
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: pretty deep. I feel pretty good about those three guys,
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: but corner, I don't feel as good about the top three.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: And I don't think there is really a fourth as
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Mao said that has established any consistency.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: There's not really even that depth up front either, you know.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Like I mean see. And that's the other thing is
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: I think the front seven was the strength. Now I
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: would say that the back end is the strength because
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: and lose barmb more and Jude on. Yeah, that that
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: chips away.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It's so funny how the game has changed, because I
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: remember when I was young, you'd be talking about teams
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: linebackers first.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: You know, who do they have at linebackers?
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Now no one plays linebackers like the field.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: It's so funny how it's just like in basketball, like
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: how there's no mid range game anymore. Yeah, linebackers are
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: the mid range jumper of the NFL. Like they just
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: it's all about the back end and the front end,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: you know, the layups and threes, like that's all they're
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: worried about now. And I just look at the Patriots.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: In to Mike's point, their dime like is probably a
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: three safety dime with Jalen Hawkins and going back to
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: that eighteen season, I just remember with those three guys
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: back there that they one would play the up top
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: and the post safety role and then one would be
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: on the tight end, one would be kind of roaming.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: And that's what you sort of get with that three
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: safety package. Hawkins starn Harmon like he can literally just
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: play the deep middle and just not give up a bomb,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: you know, over his head, and that's all that they
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: need from it. That's the big difference.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, you just named it. I mean it's Deron
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Harmon and Jason mccordy, who were two established proven NFL
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: players as kind of your nickel and dime guys, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: now they just they don't really they don't really.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Have that depth.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: I was also going to say, like the Bengals are
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: kind of a good example with what they've done with
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: with Wilson and Pratt like those that's kind of you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: those two guys just kind of play the whole time.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: It's and that's like a lot of teams, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: they have two guys now you could say well, I
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: like Bentley and Tavia better than someone else, or you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Wilson and Pratt better than you know Bentley and teams
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: have good linebackers, but they don't have a lot of them.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: To Fred's point, used to be able to like rattle
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: off like a three four defense like, oh, they have
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: those four linebackers or you know whatever.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Teddy Johnson Pfeiffers like that. It's like right down the list.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now you know it's one of it's doesn't get
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: as much attention as like the full back going away
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: and things like that, like the way people play nowadays,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: But linebackers are not generally the lifeblood of a defense.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: You know, we're getting except for cornerback. Are we getting
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to the point or trending toward positionless defensive players?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I would say that the Patriots hybrids are kind
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: of positionless, like Dugger Pepper's Like those guys play linebacker
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of the time, Like they literally are playing
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: linebacker at the second level of the defense. But you know,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: the Patriots, like on passing downs thirty eight, like they
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: run their five zero package, so they have five rushers
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: across the line of scrimmage and then six guys in
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: the back end, and there's just nobody in the second level,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Like they just you know, they don't really even cover
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: the second level in that type of way anymore. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: it's a totally different way to structure defense, and they
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: were to Belichick's credit, he was kind of at the
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: forefront of that, Like, let's get the two hundred and
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: fifty pound linebacker off the field on third down and
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: let's replace him with a two hundred and twenty pounds
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: safety who that if they do surprise us and run
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: a draw or something like that, he can still make
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: a play.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Be competitive. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I lost
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: my train of thought anyway. Now, I was just I've
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: said it before that everything in the league now favors
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the offense in terms.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Of the rules and all that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean the defenses aren't getting better. You
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: may not see the elite defenses that you saw in
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the pass but for an average to just middling quarterback,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: these defenses are tough.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: I would play last year it was a little bit
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: of a resurgence. It was defense in general. Yeah, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: it's not anything else. Yeah, it's not a trend of
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: him overall, but I thought there was a little pushback
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: on defense last year, but I think.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: We don't see it as late people. But these defenses
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: are sophisticated. They are hard to read for a quarterback,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and that's why there's not a lot of good quarterbacks
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: in the world that can play in the NFL. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: it's because these defenses are really tough to figure out.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: They've the defenses are back, yeah, like I'm not sure
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: all the way back yet, but they're they're trending back.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: And the two biggest things is they figured out RPOs
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: at the NFL level, Like the RPO, like yards per
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: play on RPOs is on a downward trend, like they're
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: they've the league is like all right, Like we get it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Like you know, we're gonna play the pass with man coverage,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: We're gonna stop the run with six guys in the box.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: We're good, right, Like it's not as much of an
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: advantage like Philly last year. Their offense is like built
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: on RPOs and they were nowhere near as good as
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: they were the year before. Defenses are catching up. The
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: other thing just you know, schematic minutia a lot of
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: more simulated or creeper pressure where you only bring four guys,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: but you don't know which four guys are coming in
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the pass rush. So they'll put you know, five, six
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: guys up along the line of scrimmage maybe, and then
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: two will drop out and four will come. But it's
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: a different four every single time.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Steelers, I mean, have been doing that for years really.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's just a way to kind of keep
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: the numbers in the secondary the same but still get
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: pressure in disguise pressure and blitz and things like that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: So those things have kind of even in the playing
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: field a little bit.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: Again, that's a conversation next week we'll be having. Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's probably the best at it, Mike McDonald's, you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: other frankly, other than Bill, Like Bill was really very
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: good at all this stuff too. And the Patriots run
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: all sorts of you know, sims, creepers, all that kind
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: of stuff, all.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Right, Eight five to five Pass five hundred is the
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: ACE ticket hotline, web radio at Patriots dot com is
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the email address. Lots of emails coming in. But I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: want to also talk about some of the other games.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Are you going to be watching Thursday night?
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, that's a that's a good matchup Kansas City
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: were the two best teams in the AFC.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe in the league, Derek, I was just gonna.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Say, not that anybody cares, but they were one two
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: and my my preseason power rankings.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, he could be the difference for Baltimore, take
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit of the burden off of Jackson in
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the run game and just pound the all with him.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Well when they had I mean mark Ingraham went like
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: twenty nineteen when they beat the Ingram Sorry, yeah, get
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Ingris something missed up, but that was when they were
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: kind of felt like at their best with that power,
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: you know, having that power compliment to Lamar's.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Speed and just ability. So yeah, it's it's.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Worrisome, I would say having that guy with that team.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: We'll see, But.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not as sold on that. I think he's
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: a little bit close to done and I don't think
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: that style is necessarily conducive to him. But we'll see.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I agree, I wouldn't worry with him. Would be like
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: you're going to run Derrick Henry out of the gun,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: because if he doesn't have a full head of steam
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: coming at the line of scrimmage, it's a different cat.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Like he's not he's not a spread back like he is.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: A put the quarterback under center, hand it off, you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: turn around, handed off, and let him go to work.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: So there's other ways that maybe they do it to
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: kind of get around that. But I don't really love
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Derrick Henry starting from a standstill and then having to
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: like make quick moves and things like that.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: My thing, Fred, this will stun you. Yes, I think
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: if Baltimore is gonna get over the hump and take
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: the next step, they need to figure out a way
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: to be more productive in the passing game. And I
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: don't think that this on paper seems to be an
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: indication that they want to do that. I think they
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: want to just continue to pound the football, like Mike said,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: maybe not have Lamar have to run as often because
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: they have a guy that maybe they can rely on,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: which is great, But I think at some point you
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: fall behind in a big game and you don't really
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: have the tools to get back in it. You know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: It's it's obviously, especially with Taylor Swift drawing up plays
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: for the Chiefs, it's obviously, you know, a high power
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: to high class problem. But it's similar to like what
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: we used to say about the Mac Jones Patriots. They
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: can't fall behind now. They don't fall behind, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: as often as the mac Jones Patriots did. But you
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: saw what happened when they played Kansas City, and I
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: don't think the Chiefs would. I don't think the Chiefs
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: were great last year. And I know that's silly to
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: say of a Super Bowl champion, you know, a back
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: to back Super Bowl chain it being at that, but
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I think they were there to be had and Baltimore
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: I think was better. They just didn't play better that
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: day and they fall behind. I think Lamar Jackson is terrific,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: but he still hasn't refined himself enough in my view,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: as that pure NFL passer to be able to come
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: from behind to do that in a big spot like that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: They've also had trouble with receivers like Zay Flowers is
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: probably the best one that they've gotten in there so far.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: He's single handedly almost lost that game.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Almost also why they were in it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: He does both.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah, a rookie you play guy tea,
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah right.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Rashad Bateman like kind of been a bust of a
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: first round pick.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Nelson Agalore is their other receire right now, Tess Walker.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: They drafted, you know, from North Carolina on a Drake
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Mays guys. But other than Mark Andrews, they really haven't
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: had a ton of wide receivers.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: They had enough last year, and I just think that
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: they fell short because they don't have I don't think
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: they're sophisticated enough in what they want to do. I
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: think they still reliant and to me, the Henry move
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: signals that that's what they want to keep doing. Because
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Henry is a high volume guy. If you want to
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: get the best production out of him, you've got to
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: give him the ball a lot. He's gonna wear that
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: wear you down, and eventually he's going to break one.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: That's sort of Derek Henry's amo.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they hope that Todd Monkin was going to make
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: this more of like a pro style passing game.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Remember they talked about hurry up and yeah, just using
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: tempo a lot, doing more happened.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Progression reads and like actual pro style football. Whereas you
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: know before with Lamar, with the guy who's bank, Greg Roman,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: thank you, it was like a college offense.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: You know, I got a boy from Evan that that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Was a read option, you know, spread college style offense.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: So Todd Mankin was supposed to come in and take
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: it to that next level with for Lamar, I mean
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: he wanted to be the league. Like we're talking about
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: it like that's.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: It was really good.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like they're so good that they can play. I
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: just I would worry, like in a big and it
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: might only be once, like they could go, you know whatever,
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: thirteen and four easily that they're that good and it
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: might not really come up in the regular season. But
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: at some point, I feel like you need to find
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: a different way to win. It's not like, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: not all teams can be like the Celtics and just
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: roll every round and never have to like find a
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: different way. That's it's a hard thing to do.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: In the NFL Friday Night Friday, the Packers and the
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Eagles again in Brazil.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: It's actually a great game too.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good matchup. I don't know if what what.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: What station or streaming service is that on Friday Night?
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, do we know?
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Is that an NBC game or is that Amazon?
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: It's on the Peak, it's a streaming, it's a streaming.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: It's on the Peacock, on the Peacock on the on
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: the you know, okay on the so I don't know
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: if I'll be watching good matchup in I got opening
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: night for for Fenwick that night.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: Anyway, how'd you feel about some of the players saying
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: they're not going to leave their hotel rooms.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Darius Slay's interview was hilarious. They were told not to
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: leave their hotels. He didn't say I'm not leaving my hotel.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: He said, we were told not to leave our hotel.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: I'm out, Fred, we go to Brazil, not aull out.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Well see the same guy.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: When it was first announced that, you know, there was
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: this thing about wearing certain colors down there.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: Definitely like walking with your phone is a big no
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: no because they just run by and grab it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: But I don't know that's I vaguely remember something about
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: the colors.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if it was Darius Slay that came
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: out and said, you know.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: They said something about the Packers and the Eagles weren't
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: a lot like those were like cut, like the uniforms.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: They were gonna have to wear different uniforms or something.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but I think that turned out to
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: be yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Right right, I'm looking forward to Jordan love, Yeah, because
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: you know you've made this point before. They had they
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: hand them in this giant contract really off of like
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: one season of production. And I think he's great.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: It's the Packer way, though, f I think he's great,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: don't get me wrong. Just let him sit for twelve
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: years and then you know he's great, Right.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I hold these quarterbacks, though, I kind of need to.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Just let him sit behind a future Hall of Fame, Right,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: he'll be great.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: I haven't really been following. I did see though it
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: seems like maybe Watson might have been banged up again
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: or they're talking about him. But I still go back
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: to that training cameraon a couple of years ago where
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: he was just such a good piece of that puzzle
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: and him getting banged up and being inconsistent and.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Mike did he play the X?
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: I think it was one, two, three X y Z.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: They also have He's a number one X. They really
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: like Wicks in Green Bay, Dobbs your boy reading last
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: year Yeah, yeah, and they got the two young tight
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: ends too.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: They got at the year two yep.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, eight five to five pats five hundred.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Let's get to our listeners. See what's on people's mind.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: We'll start with Tim in Pensacola.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: What's up? Tim?
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: Hey, Fred, how's it going?
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Really quick?
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: Set good, really quick set up, and then I'll question
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: I will take off the air. So I'm actually excited
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: about Alex van Pelt. I know he probably wasn't even
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: the patriots first choice, but he has a history of
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: working with quarterbacks. I think he'll he knows what you
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: need to play quarterback and I'm sure he'll be able
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: to wing up may in there. My question is more
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: about long term, and I'd love to hear each of
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: your thoughts on it. So, Alex van Pelt, he believed
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: strongly in running the football. I think in times where
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: he was play callers in the past, his teams ran
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: the balls of most I think you were passes. And
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: the question is if Drake may keeps progressing and the
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: fact that this teams to tell bet on eventually getting
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: a number one receiver, which I'm sure will eventually land
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: on long term, do you think that if Drake may
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: develops into an elite quarterback and we have superstar weapon
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: out there on the outside and Van Pelt, do you
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: think he'll just want to keep pounding the rocks and
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: do you think that will cost tension and maybe for
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: them to look to a coordinator that's more, you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 11: more leaning towards the passing game, or do you think
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: that Van Pelt, like he said.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Would just adapt to become the war I get it, ye, yep,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I got it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks for the call to listen.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: If Drake May has the you know, indication that he's
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: trending toward becoming an elite quarterback, and whoever the oc
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: is doesn't adapt to the quarterback, then see you later.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know what are we talking about.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Well, we were just talking about it with Lamar and
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: it feels similar to me with Alex van Pelt, that
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: there is a world where Drake May outgrows Alex van Pelt.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: And like right now, I think Alex van Pelts is
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: a good guy for the job because of what the
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: caller said. He's experience with quarterbacks and he can fundamentally
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: build Drake May up to a good spot. At some point,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: You're gonna want the khaki pant guy, right, You're gonna
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: want Ben Johnson, You're gonna want you know, the guy
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: in Houston. I'm banking on names today. You're gonna watch
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: those types of slower. Yeah, Bobby Slope, you're gonna wat
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: these these guys that are drawing it up in the
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: lab and all that kind of stuff. Once you get
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: to that version of Drake May right now, he kind
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: of needs the veteran offensive coordinator to bring him along
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: slowly and all that kind of stuff. Once we get
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: to the point where the callers at, well, I'm not
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: ruling out somebody, so let's yeah, let's play.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: Let's play Tim's let's Tim's game though, So this year,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I mean next year, you know, let's just say that
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: May is the quarterback all of twenty five and by
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: the end of twenty five we got we got something here,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: we got the guy. So heading into twenty six, well,
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: will Alex van Pell say we can't do it the
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: way we have the last two years, we have to
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: do it differently, or will he be intent on.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Well, part of also tim scenario is you land the
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: number one receiver, you land that elite guy.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: But I see I'm even putting that secondary. Yeah, I'm
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: saying what we saw in the Philadelphia game was a
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: departure from the quote unquote base offense. It was much
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: more shotgun. It wasn't that many plays. I don't I
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: don't want to get too lost with it. But they
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: talked to us afterwards. If you were in the post game,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: was when they were talking about North Carolina stuff, you
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: know a little bit different than what Alex Van Peltz
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: has been installing. Will he be willing to do that
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: or will he insist on doing what he did to
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Jashn Watson and you know, sort of having him under
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: center and having him hand off to Nick Chubb. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: that's why he's not in Cleveland anymore. Right, So I
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know the answer. I'm just asking.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: I'm asking Tim's question.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not so much worried about him being too
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: stubborn to do it. I just don't know if he's
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: the play designer that's going to have the chops to
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: design the passing game in a modern way, in the
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: way that you know Kansas City's passing game is designed,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: or something like that, where you're really going to get
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: the maximum out of Drake May if he is an
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: elite passer. But I'm I'm coming around on alexman pelf
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: for today. I just don't know if he's going to
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: be the guy in three years from now that's going
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: to be, which is fine.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: If he doesn't, hopefully it's something we have to worry about.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but if he does his job now and he
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: is let's let's just say that evans right, and he
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: doesn't really have the creative mind to adapt, that's okay,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: as long as he does his job now. And I
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: am kind of coming around to he was a good
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: pick to nurture a young quarterback. I've reserved the right
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: to change my mind on that around the middle of October,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: the end of October, if Jacoby Brissett still planned, that
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: would tell me that he is sort of wants to
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: stick with what he's coming.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back to what we talked about.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: We have no idea what this offense is.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Going to look. Yeah, I'm not necessarily concerned about the
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: offense as much as I am Drake May. And when
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Drake May is ready to play, is they going to
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: be pushed back? No? No, no, no, no, he's not quite
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: ready yet.
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: It's just a hard position because if he develops Drake
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: May into an elite quarterback and then you're gonna say, well,
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: good job, but you're not going to get us over
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: the next level, so you're out a hard decision. I mean,
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: I wonder about they got a big staff. I wonder
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: if someone like TC McCartney, who young guy, you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: like maybe like there might be more percolating.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: That's the biggest question I have with this entire coaching
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: staff on offense, is their play designing ability. Sure they're
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: like that this they don't have a Sean McVay, a
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan, a Bobby Slowick Ben Johnson, like that's not
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: who they hired, which is fine, But when you get
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: into the games, now you're gonna be going up against
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Big Lou and McDonald and you know, Salah and all
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: these great defense of minds, Like are they going to
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: be able to outfox defensive coordinators schematically or are they
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: gonna this is what we do. We're gonna go under
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: center and we're gonna hand it off forty times and
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: like that's just not going to win very many games.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: I don't think for the way that they're constructed.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: I just I don't.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: I don't feel like I know for sure what Alex
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: van Pelt is. I mean, this is you know, when
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: has he really done this before?
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, I mean, just that's why I'm
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: just going off of what it keeps telling me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: And so you look at the evolutions of the Patriots
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: offense over the years of you know, under Josh McDaniels,
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: of the you know, the twists and turns that they make.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, I just I don't think you can stick
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: in this league as an offensive coordinator if you're not
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: willing to adapt to not only your personnel, but to
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: the trends of the league and what's being effective. And
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: you know, I think sometimes you overthink it a little
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: bit and you're trying to be too smart, get too cute,
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: try to you know, oh, everybody's getting really small, we're
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: gonna get really big. And you know, now we're slow
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: and we're not fast, so you know what kind of
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: backfires on you. But I just I don't know that
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: they don't have a tight pants guy on them, Like
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: I don't know that TC McCartney isn't you know. We
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: love this kid. This kid's a brilliant mind. And you know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: like so yeah, and I don't and I don't think that,
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: you know, I mean, every time Alex Van Pelt has
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: been running an offense, he's been kind of under somebody's thumb, right, Like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: so are we so sure that it was always Alex
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: van Pelt, who's the conservative one who's saying we have
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: to do it this way.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying it is or it isn't. But I
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: just think this is the first time that he's had
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: a chance. And if he's developed Drake May a little bit,
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: we've seen some progress already, then it's a positive step forward,
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: you know, so we'll see. I just would hope that
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: everybody would be aware though, that you have to evolve.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: You have to, you know, think of different ways. You
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: can't stay the same. I mean, the Patriots in two
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: thousand and four you mentioned Corey Dillon brought in Corey Dillon.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: You got you got a burgeoning best quarterback of all
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: time on the roster, and your crown piece was to
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: bring in a running back to kind of support itself.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: And I think by that time, where Drake May is
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the guy, I think he should be part of that
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: process in developing the office.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: What's his talents and how can you know how.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: He should be in the room when you're drawing up
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: these plays, so you know he has a stake in it,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: and it's coming out of his head as much as
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it is the offensive coordinators.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, I just think in a buffalo a little
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: bit with you know, he obviously came up under dable
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: and things were successful, and then they went to what's
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: this Ken Dorsey and it wasn't they got to get
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: rid of him, you know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: So it's it's it's hard. It's really hard.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: Especially it's almost harder in success because if he stinks,
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: then you know, the offensive coordinator stinks and you fire him.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: But if he's good but he's not quite good, or
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: the offense isn't quite you know, one of these elite
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: operations that's you know, taking any defense out to the woodshed,
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: then you know, it's just a harder decision to make. Like,
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: good job developing, developing a ma Alex, but we're gonna
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: you know, move on and you know, change boatsmid streams,
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: so to speak, to try to you know, get to
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: that elite level.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: It's it's hard.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: They have no there's no data in him as a
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: play caller either like that that I kind of know
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: conceptually what how they're going to scheme and how they're
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: going to run the offense based off of camp in
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: the preseason. But we have no idea how he's going
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: to play call plays. And the big thing to me,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: you know, we were talking about running the ball forty
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: times and stuff like that, Like I don't want them
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: running the ball on first and second down as much
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: as I think they might, because like, if I'm with you,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I would much rather them throw to run right, like
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: throw to get the lead and then run the ball
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: late in the game.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: High percentage passes. But you know you do that instead
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: of running on first Yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: And I think that this, and it happens all the time.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: There's a misconception that when you rack up those rushing attempts, well,
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: that's you know, how they win. They ran it down
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: their throat, and that very rarely is how they won.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Usually it's we got a three score lead, and we
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: ran the ball twenty of the last twenty three plays
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: of the game, and we ended up with forty carries.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. That's generally how those big
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: attempt numbers get. You know, they come would you say
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: thirty two to thirteen?
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was and there, yeah, and they run there.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: Must have played pretty well in that game and had
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: an abnormally productive game, you know, through the passing, and
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: then they just pounded away and salted the game away
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: in the second hand they got the lead. And I
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: don't know what the parameters of the game. This is
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: not exactly wait no, it's exactly one of my psychotic
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Oh I remember that game, this is what happened things.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: I don't have any recollection of the game at all.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: Off exactly what that would be. My guess the lead
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: because you just it's so rare in this day and
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: age to just well, we're just gonna come out and
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: we're gonna have the Ghost of Stephen Jackson game and
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: just run the ball in the first fifteen plays of
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: the game and we're gonna win by three touchdowns. You
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: don't do that in the NFL. You don't do what
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: BC did to Florida State last night in the NFL area.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: And there it is.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: By the way, can we get a close up of
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Deuce's socks?
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Do you have like nine pair of that?
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: I got different Patriot socks.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: I wear a little something, you know.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Is that just or it's just a week long thing.
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: You got to know it just days weren't there they
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: go yeah, slow zoom on those Reboks too, pretty good. Yeah,
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: I got two pairs down in the owners meetings, so
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: you know, fire them.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Up week Ons and Patriots they gave you they were free.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they every team.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: They did, they did, and they're like, what team do
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: you want?
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: Well, guy, I got to pick the Patriot. Yeah, obviously you.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Can't be here. Where are the Chiefs?
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: No?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Red Sox?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Jeff and Virginia writes in listen to every show this
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: offseason and loved it, really excited for the next four
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to five years. The entire offseason, we've been told how
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: bad the Patriots old line is. I listened to a
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: ton of other podcasts slash local reporters, and it seems
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: that twenty to twenty five teams are in the same
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: or similar position regarding offensive line. This is probably a
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: question for Evan, but how many teams do you think
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: actually have great offensive lines? Let's define great as four
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: players who are above average. It really seems that seventy
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: percent of the league has a bad offensive line, especially
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: a tackle. But would rather hear from Evan to fact
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: check that center starts?
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Can I just like so just the qualifier because I'm
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: actually curious to see what your answer to this is,
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: you need four guys that are above average. No, that's
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: what he said to have a great.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Offense, great offensive line.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, So I don't think really there's going to be
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: too many that qualify. But I think there are teams
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: that have that I would say have great offensive lines,
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if they have four above average players. Yeah,
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: Kansas City has a great offensive line. I don't think
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: they have four guys.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I just three. I just wouldn't look
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: at it that way because to me, it's one unit.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Like it's five guys playing together. So like, no matter
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: what your individual talent is on the offensive line, if
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: you aren't seeing it through the same set of eyes,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: and you could, you could be terrible with Hall of
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: famers everywhere in that particular position. So, which teams have
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: like the elite Tier one offensive lines? Just like, off
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: the top of my head, Detroit number one in the
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: league to me, Philadelphia like right there with Detroit, Kansas
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: City right up there in that category. I would probably
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: cut it off around there was.
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: In my mind, I'm done, yeah, in terms of.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Tier one, like the elite offensive lines, and I think
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: Kansas City might be more like one be you know,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Philly and Detroit.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: To me, does every one of those teams have a
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: notable offensive line coach?
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Well, Statlin in Philly is like Dante Scarnekia level. He's fantastic. Detroit,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's not like a notable offensive line coach.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: But Ben Johnson's obviously their coordinator and he's very good.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: And they have Penny Sewell, who might be the best
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: offensive lineman in the entire NFL. So yeah, you have
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: you know, talent, and you have coaching with those two
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: teams just fantastic groups, Like across the board.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Really, I think that coaching.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Is, yes, is probably, if not the most important, really
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: critical in getting a cohesive offensive line because it really
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: is a ballet that they're doing there. There has to
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: be communication and coordination on that line, especially with them
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: again going back to how sophisticated these defenses. They give
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of different looks to the quarterback, but they're
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: also giving a lot of different looks to any individual
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: I'm concerned about it too.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, coaching is critical on the offensive line.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it comes back to like the Van Pelt, Sorry
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: they cut you off. It goes back to the Van
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: Pelt thing for me, where it's I think Scott Peters
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: is a really good technique coach, Like we hear him
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: out there at practice and he's breaking down like your
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: hand was a centimeter off, like you were here and
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: we need you to be there, Like he understands that
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff. But the big picture, like the concept
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: is like the bigger question with that, like are you
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: all on the same page? Are you all all five
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: guys like flowing together and all that kind of stuff.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: As good as as Dante was at the individual technique,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: I might have been even better at the big picture.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I would say two years ago, maybe it was as
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: much a problem as last year. But I really noticed
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: it two years ago where you'd have guys just not
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: covering anybody. That's not because they don't they can't block.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: It's because the communication is terrible and and they're left
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: on without anybody to block, because they're whoever is doing
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: it isn't making the right reads to start to play,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: and they're not all on the same page. You know,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: most of these guys in the NFL offensive lineman can block.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: You know, they wouldn't be in the NFL if they
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: you know, just got manhandled on every play. But the
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: failings of most offensive lines is just that they they
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: just don't play well together and they're just not on
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: the same page. And yeah, every once in a while
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: you get beat no, no, obviously, but when it happens
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: week in and week out, you can look at, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: a lack of communication and coaching as a main culprit.
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: Like even when Dante was here, when I was, before
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: I even worked here, Like one of the things that
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: I just kind of came to believe was that the
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: offensive line is going to take some time, even when
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: you have a Hall of Fame offensive line coach and
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: you know, some really good players along that it's just
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: it always was going to take some time. I remember, God,
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: there was like a game in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: around here where they liked they just couldn't block anybody.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Game.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: It was fourteen. It was the on the Cincinnati game,
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: the game before it in Kansas City. You know, say
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: the name again.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: Jordan dev H the two the most surprising week ones
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: that was.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: That was one of the worst performances by an offensive
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: line in the Brady era that I can remember, right
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: and that's was you know, like, is Brady too old
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: to avoid this pressure anymore? This is the kind of
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: protection he's going to have, and as just normally the case,
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: Brady figured it out. Yeah that was that was That
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: was good? Right?
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: That wasn't Dante Scarnekia that year?
• 53:54
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: It was not.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: But I think there was one that the one I
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: might have been Ryan Stork ended up being parted to.
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: Uh they lose to the Cardinals, I think in like
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: twenty twelve, like first couple of weeks of the season. Yeah,
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: same kind of.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: The game.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: Uh, you know, it's it just speaks to the nature
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: of the line though, where Dante who's special and this
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: is not this is the exception of the rule. But
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: you know, you are able to put together a functional
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: offensive line with really good coaching, even if these guys
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: aren't super talented. I mean, and like Joe Toney and
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: Jack Mason are arguably still two of the best guards
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: in the NFL right now. And you know, there was
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: a third round pick and what was Mason's four fourth
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: round pick, So you don't.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Get to the combine.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: That's where you get your guards. And they did a
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: great job of identifying the talent out of the draft
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: and then they developed them because they were really good player.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: It's not like they blossomed elsewhere. They were really good
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: players here and they recognized that and paid them both
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: and then decide to let them go.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Tony might be a Hall of Famer, like a like
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: a Pro football Hall of Famer, Like he's got rings,
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: he's going to be Like all right.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I was talking with a person at the Patriots about,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: you know, the failings of the offensive line over the
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: last few years, and I said it began with Joe
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Toney and this person agreed.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: They said they should have paid him.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: How are you not sick about it?
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: Like you drafted a potential Hall of Fame guard and
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: what you Why why.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: Is he not fourth on it? Because I do think,
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't care. I would spread the money
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: like that's fine with me, but they do, you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: like the percentage of the cap can't go to one guy.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: So like I understood what they were doing for me.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: I just look at like San Francisco right now and
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: suddenly figuring out how to get these mammoth contracts for
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: Ayuk and Trent Williams done On the eve of the season. Oh,
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: it's really remarkable, you know, Deshaun Watson. They convert money
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: to a signing bonus and create thirty five million of
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: cap space in Cleveland. Like to me, it's there are
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: things that you might not want to do because sometimes
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: it's hard to cough up the money at the time.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: But the cap isn't the reason why no. And I
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: agree with you, Fred if you just said instead of
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: instead of franchising Tony and just gave him the contract,
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: much like they did with Shaq Mason. They gave Shaq
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: Mason a big time extension and then not only they
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: let Tony walk after he was franchised, then they deal
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: Mason in the middle of that that extension, which I
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: didn't really understand. Like you had two guys, like I
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: just said that you drafted developed and they hit right
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: on the prime of their careers. You said, well, we
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: don't need either one of these guys.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Let's also not forget about Ted Carris too, who was
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: also right in that mix.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Solar was even more.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: Player, even more inexcusable because that was peanuts and the
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: other two at least were high priced commodities.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: So they offered Ted Carris a contract and then offered
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: him a lower contract after the team offered him more money,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: offered him more money to walk and it just not
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: how you do negotiations. Yeah, none of it.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: When does that ever work?
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: He's not Joe Toney Like, he's not on that level,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: but he's one of those into your offensive linemen either
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: at center or guard where you put him in the
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: starting lineup and you don't worry about that position.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, they had a guy like Logan Mankins was
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: great Patriots Hall of Famer, very similar guards his position,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: but he can play tackle if he has to.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: You know that. He was so versatile Toney.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: I just I think that was the beginning of the
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: end for the offensive.
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: You could write a whole essay about the decline of
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: the Patriots dynasty just through the lens of guards, like
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: like between letting Tuney and Mason go and paying them
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: the Joe Ton drafting cold strange. I mean, it sounds stupid,
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: but like it's really breaking.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: They've been chasing theiric.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: And and then the coaching turnover to like Carbaruselo had
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: them playing okay in twenty one and he leaves with
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Josh to Vegas, and then that opens up a hole there.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: And then if you're gonna lose Dante's and Tom Brady,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: your talent better be better.
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, along the.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: Line, like I thought, carn Basillo is a good offensive
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: line coach for them, and then he left to Vegas
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: with Josh and they replaced him with Matt Patricia and
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: then they drafted guard in the first round and hand
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: him to Matt Patricia to.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Develop that Patricia.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to defend Matt, but I'm
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: going to You didn't have the time.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: You had too much on his plate.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: He also didn't know what he was He basically.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Handed over the coaching of the offensive line over to
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: David Andrews. You know, like it wasn't fair to anybody.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a mess.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: No, they didn't have a they didn't have enough coaches.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: They lost a lot of valuable coaches earlier than they
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: had lost them in previous years. You know, like they
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: were only around for a couple of years and coming
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: into their own and then they were those guys were
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: leaving and they were really caught bear on their coaching staff.
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: Just to bring it and bring it back home. It's
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, we've seen a lot of issues with the
• 58:56
  Speaker 6: offensive line. It's just my hope is that And I'm
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: not going to judge him off a Sunday or next Sunday,
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: but like we need to start to see things settle
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: down a little bit at least with some of these pieces,
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: And that's the concern now is if does you know
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: so it is not so and low probably not going
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: to play as we.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Say, yeah, we'll see tomorrow, you know.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: I know that Gerard told us, you know which, we
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: have to look forward to Fridays.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: I guess we're going to find out who's playing and
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: who's not.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure I feel about that.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have any issue with it, you know,
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: within reason, but I think those two guys are probably
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: going to be hard pressed to play. So now, just
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: to like come full circle, we're talking about how great
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: it was when you had Joe Tuney and Jack Mason.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: So Evan's telling you, what was that practice yesterday? And
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: it was like a rotation between Nick Leverett and Michael Jordan,
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: one of those guys on the practice squad, right, Michael
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: George Jordan's on the practice squad. So that's like, and
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying like Listen, he's a five year guy.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: It's not like he's some kid undrafted. It was just
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: making this way in the league. But this is where
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: you are on opening day. I know you're you're probably
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: going to have a practice squad elevation play yeah, in
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have jukes that left tackle, which is
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: I can't even get lined up right in a preseason game.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: So that a whole difference.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: And now I do with you a point, Fred that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: you made at the beginning of this offensive line stuff
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: that generally the worst offensive lines, it's not about like
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: I'm lining up against you and I just can't get
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: in your way enough. I have no quarterback even times
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: it's the communication problems. It's not reading it the right way,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: you know, like Evan says, you see it through the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: same set of eyes. David Andrews has a lot in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: his plate. I do think it'll be better when he's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: in there than it was when Nick Leverett was in there,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: because I think Andrews has much more experience, you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: doing doing these sorts of things. But I do worry
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: about the breakdowns, like the mental breakdowns that we've seen
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: throughout the summer, and I'm sorry. Part of that is coaching.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: I just thought of another part of my through the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: guard lines. It's the Michael and Wynu and then you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: finally get a guard, but because you're so strapped in
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: everywhere else that you have to move him out to tackle.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Like you know, I don't know, it's all pro.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: That's all I figured. By now they have it figured out.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: But that preseason finale, just to go back to the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: lining up, and that was one of the worst coached
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: offensive line performances I think I've ever seen. Like guys
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: weren't even lining up correctly.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: It's almost like.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: They were being stubborn, right, I don't care what you're
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: gonna go.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: I'm okay.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: And they both I thought a quarter I think went
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: on we got called for one, yeah, but I thought
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: they both sounded defiance when they talked about it.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And they I mean they get they have like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: three guys run into each other and the starting quarterback
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: gets hurt on the you know, the first series, and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: he's already hurt. It's just all of that could have
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: been a void.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: And you can make an argument for coaching on that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: play too. You know. I think Evan talked about this
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: last week, just like the design of the play. What
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: you're asking guys to do.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Right Russell and Arkansas. Would you say that running back
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: is still an area of need?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 13: Is?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: So what route? Would you go?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Sign a free agent or seek out a trade I've
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: read some of those clickbait reports that Damian Pierce could
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: be on the rate on the trade block any interest there.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Seems like mixing has locked up the starting role, and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: the Texans staff basically said that Pierce is going to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: be a special teams guy.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: I'm okay running back Remondro Stephens hurt and there.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: Will be interview elevate Kevin Harris off the practice squad.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: That's Damian Pierce.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: Terrell Jennings, Yeah, I think had a decent summer.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: Jennings, Yeah, I'm okay with that. I don't mind if
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: they like have that. There's somebody on the street right
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: now that they think fits what they want to do
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: and they want to sign. That's fine. I don't have
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: any interest in dealing even anything for uh, you know,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: a retread back. You know, Damian Pierce to me is
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: not any different than what you have. I don't know
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: how you guys feel. Yeah, Usually someone says I got
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: to go, I gotta takelf just gets up, makes an
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: awkward face at me in the middle of a sentence,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: and just walks off the sets. You got to go,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: And I have not even I haven't even remembered the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: last time I bought do with Fred. So you guys
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: can't blame this one on.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: It's the chairs.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: You need to drive the plane, all right, We're entering
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: our two here.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: You can't argue anymore.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: It's it's just not because we're also relaxed in these chairs.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: I know you can't.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: You need a table to burn extra sitting in this chair. Abially,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: it throws me off mentally.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: I think we worked at the Paul. We're going to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: get some tables here, maybe for Thursday shows.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: So you know we're efforting that. Mike, I appreciate you
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: working on my behalf.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: We just we just jump right into uh since he
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: though it felt like because this we you know, it's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: it's it's usually we save like there's no talk about.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: But we don't have any talk about the previous game
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: like we usually Tuesday's usually therapy Tuesday, you know, or that's.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: What it was all last year. Right out of the gate,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: everybody was like, oh, they did they played well against
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: the Eagles, and I was like, no, they really kind
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: of didn't.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was I remember, you got everybody mad at you.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got everybody mad at me.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: It's it's it's just fun standing on precipice because I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: know Jacoby said something like like last week, we're like, yeah,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: we're just excited to go on this journey. And you know,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: you realize that, like it is a journey. It's it's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: a trip. And it's like you have no idea all
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: the twists and turns, the injuries, the close losses, the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: close win any of that stuff. Uh, until you go
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: and experience it.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm gonna make a quick trip to the phone lines.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: We'll get Sam in North Carolina. Sam, you're next, Sam,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: sim they didn't lose a call.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: I'm excited for the season coming up. I'll be a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 10: lot more excited. Direct Flavors playing me too.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but you can't have it all. You know, I
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 10: understand the process, even though I don't agree with it
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 10: because I don't understand the function of the line. How
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 10: we just drafted a right tackle, but you still won't
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 10: kick win. You out to tackle. And I don't know
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 10: about the coaching staff, you know, but like our guys
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 10: just did, it's a journey. But I have a game.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 10: I want y'all to know. You take a blue chip player,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 10: and you take a yellow chip player, and you mix
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 10: them together, you get a green chip player.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: Have a good Okay, I think that was a good
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: I think that was a shot at somebody.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who was talking about those yellow chips?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: I think we had a caller that had this game
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: that he wanted and I got total confused in the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: middle of it.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I think it was elder, right.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know what a yellow chip is. That doesn't
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know. There's blue chip and red chips. That's it.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: There were a lot of color codes for the various level.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Well this potato chip, poker.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Chip, blue chip, you get that right chip in.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Douglas, my three sons, I gotcha, gotcha?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 12: Uh?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Curtis from Saint Louis writes in wanted to say thanks
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: for keeping our off season fun and full of great content.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I'm always overly optimistic, so here's my hot take. May
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: will start Week five against Miami. The Patriots will finish
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: second in the division, ahead of Buffalo in New York
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: and they will sneak into the wildcard round. Then next
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: year we will continue to build around May in this
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: offense and become a real super Bowl contender in twenty twenty.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Five, let's go.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: I think that's really optimistic from Curtis and Saint Louis.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: Good job, Curtis. That's that's springing a lot of positivity.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any chance that the Patriots finish
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: ahead of Buffalo, like maybe one of the gets hurt
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: and the Jets gets the Jets wall always Jets like
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: they'll find a way to blow it in New York.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: But like the Bills, that's what I'm Pete Schrager picked,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: you know, not but top seed in the a f C.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: Peter Schrager on Good Morning Football this Morning picked the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: Jets to be the top seed in the AFC.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: An argument that that's the most talented roster in the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: a f C. They can make that argument.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Last yeah, last year, even years to be last year
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: with that meant quarterback, they won eight games, right, yeah.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: I think it was seven, but yeah, your point still.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Take Yeah, I mean, and that was a mess at quarterback.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: It's a really good roster it is. I don't know
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: how great the coaches, and I don't know how you
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: can rely on a forty whatever coming off of forty
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: one and Achilles.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: Well that's the big thing with the coaches that he's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: never really had rubber hit the road, like, we don't
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: know what everybody's just don't know what's.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Go I opened the floodgates in more ways than one.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: I have to tinkle too, but I'm waiting for a break.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: We don't know what solid is.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you know they take a break every ten minutes,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: so you can do that.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: We don't do that.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: I have a lot of bones to pick with Paul
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: shows these days, but I'm going to keep it to myself.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Let's say James Pettig grew the most interesting Patriots fan
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: of the world. Rites in question for the nerds, who
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: would that be?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you guys can sit this one
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: out again.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: How much could Drake's mobility offset the old lines vulnerability
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: if he's a legit threat to run, does the defense
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: scheme differently or is Drake more of a scrambler than
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: a legit runner in defenses will blitz anyway.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: He's more of a scrambler than a legit runner. But
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: I like that line of thought, like, yep, does that
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: back off the rush because you can't be as aggressive
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: going after a guy who can move.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I tend to think so it can work both
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: ways because if he's moving into pressure, then he can
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: create pressure. Like this is the old thing with Russell Wilson.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Like Russell Wilson over the years would hold the ball
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: forever and he'd run around and do the rust magic
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: and everybody be like, oh, look at how great this is.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: And there are other people that would say, well, he's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: running into pressure, right, So it's like, is it harder?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: A lot of offensive linemen would say it's harder to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: block for the Russell Wilson, Right, you don't know what
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: it is, right, Whereas Tom Brady was always in the
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: same spot. Now, his improvisational skill and his mobility should
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: help him get out of some things, you know, get
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: you know, the little houdiniacs and things like that. So
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: it goes both ways.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I know, from a morale thing, when you've got
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: a team like third and ten and you everything's covered
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: and then that quarterback takes off and runs.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: For the first down, it's a backbreaker. It does it
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: kills you?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 12: It is?
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: It is, And I will say I feel pretty comfortable
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: in saying that if Drake May played the whole year,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: he would be sacked more than Perssett will be if
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: he plays the whole year.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: I mean that's just kind of an age thing. But
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: also if you look at a lot of the mobile quarterbacks,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: they get sacked a lot because they're running around always
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: looking to make a play and sometimes they catch him
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: behind the line of scrimmage. It just happens. Yeah, you know,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: I think Russell Wilson is a guy especially to Evans point,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: that's that falls into.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: This, especially early on in players careers at quarterback, because
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: they don't realize how fast these defensive guys are.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: They can outrun them all in college.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: So that was one Like with Williams, I'll be interested
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: to see how many sacks he takes it.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: So we were watching, Yeah, he'll he'll get sacked a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: lot in Daniels will too.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: I mean he even got sacked a lot at USC.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but when we were I think it was the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: first preseason game, the one that Joe Milton played played
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: well in in the fourth quarter. He had to play
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: in that game, I think it was one when he
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: sort of started running backwards and he was running around
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: and he looked around, and Brian Hoyer was with me,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: and he goes that one wouldn't have worked out as
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: well if Gdvian Clowney was playing who was on the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: Panthers that night, and right one of the thirty guys
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: that wasn't dressed right, And he goes, that wouldn't have
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: worked out as nearly as well. In other words, to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: your point, Freddy, the defensive ends run, you know, as
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: well as those quarterbacks, you know, the athletic ones. I'm
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: not talking about every one of them, but the athletic
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: guys will run you down.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Justin and new Hampshis says, I think I'm more excited
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: about three shows a week than I'm watching Jakobe Brissett
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: throw the ball.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: Yay, okay, all right?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: This year to foods here so much about just like
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: the how does everybody else look like? I know none
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: of us are super excited about watching Jacoby Wessett, but
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: some of their other younger players like are still going
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: to play a lot even if Drake may is on
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: the bench.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: And maybe the level of blotting would be if the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: Patriots came out and like put thirty four on.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: The board, well they better watch out.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: No, but I'm just saying, like, if that happens, it's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: gonna be Yeah, but it's going to be like an
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: indictment of all of us and everybody else. That's position.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: I hope it happens.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not. I wouldn't.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: He'll get buddled.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: I'll have a rebuttal to that, because I've opened the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: show without the Browns.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: You showed the path.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: The Browns have owned this defense in this team. So
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: if they scored thirty I would just say, well he
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: knows this, you know Van Pelt really, but there's.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: A difference between like having you know, like they could
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: win the game and not necessarily have a great offensive day. Yeah,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: but I'm talking about that, like they just came out
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: and lit it up fire like that we didn't even
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: see for five seconds, right, Like.
• 1:11:58
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  Speaker 14: We have our servicemen and women outside, you know, they
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 14: have a lacrosse game. Just went out there and kind
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 14: of just offer my appreciation for their sacrifice. I know
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 14: a lot of times it's easy to say thank you
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 14: for your service, but there's a lot of sacrifice that
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 14: those guys give up for the safety of our country,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 14: and you know, it's noticeable when you go out there,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 14: so definitely wanted to make sure that was known, just
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 14: kind of, you know, to move forward. Excited to get
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 14: to this point in the season when now we're really
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 14: game planning for a team. This is an exciting time
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 14: for me personally, and I think for the players that
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 14: are in that room before we get into I'm sure
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 14: they'll questions about the quarterback and questions about Cincinnati. Hopefully
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 14: more questions about Cincinnati. Just wanted to wrap up one
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 14: thing with our captains, so this morning we had a vote,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 14: and I do think it's very important that captains are
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 14: not selected by the coaches, but selected by their peers.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 14: And the captains for this year's team, which this year
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 14: they'll have their seas. I do think it's important to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 14: have the sea on the jerseys. That's one difference that
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 14: I think is important. But Andrews, Bentley, Pepper's, Joe Cardona
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 14: and Dietrich Wise, those are our captains for this year.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 14: And look, they embody everything that we preach about each
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 14: and every day, not only on the football field, but
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 14: also off the football field. And I'm very excited to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 14: have these guys and I know they're excited as well
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 14: to lead this football team.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: One of the difference is wearing the scene.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: Why is that important to you?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, I was a captain seven out of
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 14: eight years, which look, once again, whatever happens inside the building,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 14: that's always the most important thing. But I do think
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 14: it's like a badge of honor. It's a badge of honor,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 14: and I think when guys do the right thing, they
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 14: should be recognized for those things. And you know, it's
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 14: something that's small, is just having the captain's patch. I
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 14: think it's important for those guys.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: Jacobe not being voted a captain, do you think that?
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 14: Oh sorry, sorry sorry, Ember said sorry the good cat. Hey,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 14: good catch, good catch. So just hit the lead on
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 14: those texts and all those tweets.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 14: I appreciate you bringing that up. That was going to
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 14: be a fire But hey, thank you, thank you. I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 14: definitely do appreciate that. I'm good on my opening statement.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: You guys, fire away opening up the season.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: How excited are you in the job ahead at Cincinnati?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 14: I'm very excited once again, you know, every day is
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 14: a learning experience for me and excited to go through
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 14: this week and really prepare, you know, with the guys
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 14: that are going to be out there on the field. Look, Cincinnati,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 14: they offer many challenges offensively and defensively that we're going
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 14: to have to have answers for. And I think the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 14: guys are ready to go. Today is a bonus day
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 14: for us. So just like I spoke about last week,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 14: we really were still focused those last two days of
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 14: practice on getting any p better. What I will say
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 14: is that's still the message going forward, while at the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 14: same time sprinkling in a few things here and there
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 14: that Cincinnati offers. And what I would say is, look,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 14: they're a very versatile team. Obviously, they have a bunch
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 14: of great players on that team, and we just got
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 14: to be able to go out there and compete on
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 14: each and every day.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: Just rewinding until last Thursday to showed us the courtesy
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: to come.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: Out as you said you would thank.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: You for doing that.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: We didn't have as much time for follow up questions
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: if you had meetings that day, But how did you
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: come to the decision?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 14: So yeah, I mean we had our process of you know,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 14: talking to the coaches, the coordinators, you know, Elliot as well.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 14: That was part of the process. But what I would
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 14: say is, ultimately was my decision to put who I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 14: thought gave us the who I think gives us the
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 14: best chance to win football games. And hopefully you guys
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 14: got it last week. We're one hundred percent behind Jacoby.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 14: He can't think about what's in the rearview mirror. He
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 14: has to be ready to drive this thing forward. And
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 14: I made sure that he understood that he has the full,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 14: you know, full support of not only as teammates, but
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 14: also the organization for him to go out there and
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 14: perform at the level that we know he can.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: Which was the rever any consideration to starting drink May
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: week Warder, as the plan always.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 6: Been to try to Eastwood Wonger.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 14: No, we always you know, we kept saying, look, competition, competition,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 14: and you know that is something that I truly believe it,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 14: and it was a real competition. It honestly came down
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 14: you know, to you know, a few days where that
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 14: separation started to happen. Now, the things that kind of
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 14: went into that, you know, that pot as far as
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 14: how we came out with this conclusion, I mean, there
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 14: were many things that were waited differently, and once again,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 14: you know, I just feel like me personally as the
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 14: head coach here, that Jacoby gives us our best chance.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: What do you take me to change between now and
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: Drake's first start, whatever that is for.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 14: You to feel like it's time to play, you know,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 14: for me, you know, we talk about competition and training camp,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 14: but quite frankly, it's competition each and every week and
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 14: we'll see how it goes. But once again, I don't
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 14: want Jacoby to feel like someone's nipping at his heels
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 14: and he'll get the majority of the reps while at
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 14: the same time continuing to develop Drake in other ways. Now,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 14: a lot of you guys, I guess the next question
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 14: will be how do you do that? Uh, he will
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 14: still participate, you know in some of the you know,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 14: the team drills for the upcoming team, but I also think, uh,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 14: you know, the show team reps are very important. They've
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 14: always been important, and even when I was a rookie,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 14: I also was a top ten pick. But even as
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 14: a rookie, I was on those show teams, and I
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 14: think that's another place where you can develop as long,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 14: I mean, as well as the other tools that we've
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 14: talked about here over the summer.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: Misconception is it that he was brought into here, Jacoby
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: to be kind of a placeholder or a mentor or
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: whatever it's supposed to.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: When he brings to the team as a starting.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 14: Quarter he is a mentor, and I would say which
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 14: is reflected in the captain's voting. Thanks again, I think
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 14: he's a mentor to the entire offensive side of the ball.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 14: He's familiar, you know, he's familiar with the offense.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 14: And at the same time, you know, he knew he
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 14: was in a competition and still remain steady, which is
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 14: something you definitely appreciate from your quarterback position.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 8: The health of the offense and.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: The help with tens Jim out and play how.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 10: Would get very low doing they ever out their league
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 10: last week to take the guard.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 14: Yeah, so coming out of training camp, you know, we
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 14: had a we had a tough training camp and there
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 14: are definitely things that that popped up. We'll see if
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 14: if those guys are ready to play, But right now,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 14: we just had to move forward, and we talked about
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 14: that next man up mentality, like we don't know if
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 14: he'll be at the game or not. He may wake
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 14: up tomorrow talking about low feeling great. I mean, I
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 14: just don't know. But going back to what we've done
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 14: the entire training camp as far as moving people around,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 14: you know, we were trying to find our best five
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 14: while at the same time building depth through the guys
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 14: that we have on the team. And so that's the
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 14: difficult part of it. But as we continue through the week,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 14: and this is why I'm gonna meet with you guys
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 14: on Friday, right Stacey, to talk a little bit more
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 14: like who's ready, who's not ready, And I'll try to
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 14: be as transparent as I can with you guys. I'm
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 14: not I'm not a guy. I mean, I'm not going
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 14: to get into, you know, trying to be cryptic or
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 14: anything like that. I'll just let you guys know the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 14: truth and try to be as transparent as possible to
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 14: the Drake like Scout.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: Show team taking some team reps.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: How about like I've heard.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: Like a quarterback running a meeting, you know, like, is
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 8: that possibly if you talk to Alex or Ben or
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 8: tc about letting Drake install the game playing the night
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: before a game or something.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah, So I mean we've done that.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: We use that tool.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 14: I think it's called like the finement technique. I think
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 14: that's what it's called. But I do believe like if
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 14: you can teach it, you have a true understanding of
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 14: the play of the game plan. When I first got
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 14: into coaching, I was teaching my son Cover two, which
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 14: I will say as a proud father right now, he
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 14: had six tackles two for a loss this past weekend
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 14: and block the field goal without jumping, and I thought
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 14: that was pretty cool. But what I will say is, look,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 14: he'll have certain projects and things like that that he'll
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 14: be responsible for and saying that, look, he'll still go
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 14: through just a normal game week each and every week.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 14: And that's how it's gonna be.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: As of today.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 15: When someone accidentally threw a the school play costumes, oh no,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 15: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 15: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 15: now it's next for residential delivery only and now great
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 15: moments in.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: History.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: So I love college football. He has no interest in
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: it until February, but it's so much. This weekend especially,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: it is gonna be great. You know, Alabama Tennessee. There's
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: probably at least one future Patriot playing in that game,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: so that would probably be it.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, because he's patting himself on the back so much.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna just say this, the reason why I don't
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: get into college football in the fall is because I
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: have what's called a girlfriend, and.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: I had a shot fire ballot Saturday.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: I spend it with Jess.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: I'm going to truly enjoy my Saturday this week.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: And I thought you said we weren't doing.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: We weren't doing personally.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: That's another great moment.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: From so far, the college game has been pretty good,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: some good games.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: Just for the record bag, we have to give.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: We have to give congratulations to O'Brien BC Eagles for
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: beating the number ten team and the.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: It might be the first time that I can recall
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: that I've ever rooted for Boston College and anything.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Because you're a Northeastern fan.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: But I like Billy Oh, you want to be rooting
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: for him, and in all seriousness, now, listen, Florida State
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: is probably not very good, you know, based on the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: start of this season, So I'm not over but it
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: just shows you how much a quality coach can change
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: a team. Like they don't have any different level of talent,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: But how many penalties at BC have last night? Right,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: how many times they get caught with the wrong personnel
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: on the field and that kind of stuff. Right, Like
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: they had an idea of how to play football. Now
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: you're not going to run for almost three hundred yards
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: against every team like they dominated Florida State last night.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: But I just thought it was striking how much more
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: organized they looked. And I think athlete his predecessor was
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: not bad. I think he did a pretty good job then.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: But I just think it's the difference between a guy
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: like Billy Oh and some of the predecessors. I don't
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: think they'll be great. I'm not trying to say I
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: have any illusions, but that was an impressive performance him
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: last night.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: I'm a good start.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: Seven eight wins not out of the question, right, eights.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: He's not wrong about you see, he's a great school,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: like academically a great school. It's right outside of Boston. Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: He keeps saying like, why can't can't be.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: A football school?
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a lower standard a little bit, right,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: it's not crazy.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: You got to start recruiting and overlooking some things.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: Right nowadays, you're going to have to find some of
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: that nil money.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, you need to get in
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: that transfer portal.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of triple legals in the area
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: that could fork over some money, right.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: You know what have triple egle is what are the triples?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: The person that goes, I believe, is the person who
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: goes to BC High, Boston College, and then Boston College grad.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I heard of the double legal. I never
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: heard of the triple. I don't think the grad students
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: are doing much good for BILLYO.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Though we talked earlier about the game in Brazil and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Christian from Virginia writes in uh, the drama down there
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: is that South Polo's soccer rival, Corinthians main color is green,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: so South Polo fans don't really love people wearing green
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: in their stadium. This then got twisted by media into
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: some gang violence nonsense, which is most likely what you
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: guys were hearing.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: The good news for those those fans, though, is neither
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: team will be wearing green. Eagles and Packers won't be
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: much green in the States as green as Cats.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: I thought he's experienced. We could of got the Jets
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: involved in the Jets.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Green right, Ron and Conway New Hampshire. Okay, Evan, he says,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: and the rest of the guys too. I guess I'm
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: not excited about this season, even though I really want
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: the team to do well. So after listening all season,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: there was a small amount of conversation of when Cole
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Strange comes back, if he could possibly play center. If so,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: how do you think the old line would look next year?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: If everyone was healthy and the line look like this
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: with mayat quarterback, left tackle to right, draft Will Campbell,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: then sow Or Robinson Andrews, and when U and Kayden
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Wallace in the draft after Campbell, I wonder what the
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: team would consider as a pick.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, there is no period, so.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: I would need to know what's so Robinson and Wallace
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: play like, yeah, yeah, but if they're good enough that
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: you don't feel like you got to replace him. If
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: they maybe you're implying, but they have the best I
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: have or are they good enough? Yeah, you know what
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, their guards like Andrews. Well, you know, I
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: have an idea of what he'll look like, and I
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: have an idea with the one who look like, when.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Did you start thinking about life after David Andrews.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: That's not gonna be absolutely valuable. We've got a question
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: in the mailbag this week about that. Yeah, with Strange,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that's you know, one of the things.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: He's a backup center if he's going to play.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: My fear with the whole center thing is like, let's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: not that's not cold Strange center, Like, let's not draft
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: one in the first round because David Andrews retires like centers.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: I know, but I'd rather have him.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: But it's not you know, like if there's if he
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: can be a good center, it's just like mccordy, uh, Devin, Yeah,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: you know you drafted him as a cornerback. You you
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: realize maybe he'll be better at safety, and you switch
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: him over.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the issue with Cole Strange to me
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: at center is that he's tall, like he's he's a
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: little bit upright to play center, Like he's like six three,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: six four. It's a big center. That's a big, big,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: big center, and I typically like more of like the
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: David Andrews types of centers that can get underneath guys.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: And yeah, it's got a low center at gravity, So
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: that would be my one thing. But if they draft
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: Campbell or Telvin Banks Junior or whoever, and he's a
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: franchise left tackle, the whole thing is gonna be fine.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna look a lot better.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: Eight eight five five past five hundred to get hotline
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Rodney's and Delaware.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: What's up? Rodney?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 10: Thank god?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: I had a question. So Rodney, you can hear me.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: Rod I get no respect, doesn't.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Eldred?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: Happened when I take the Eldred's in North Carolina?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Hey Aldred? Hey? Oh I didn't hear him?
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll shoot for you?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I can.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 12: Can you hear me?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 12: Okay, okay, hey Fred, thank you for defending me a
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 12: little bit.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 11: For all you.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 12: Peons that don't understand the chart. Like I said, I
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 12: didn't make it up, but Deuce you picked up on
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 12: it right away. You know it's the talent level. Knuckleheads.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 12: If you can't understand the talent level, go back listen
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 12: to the podcast and they'll tell you they're playing everything
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 12: to you.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I understand the talent level, I understand, I don't
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: understand pink, orange, blue green, all that future pink.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 12: Pink is a young like like me. He's the upcoming start,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 12: but you don't know what he's gonna be like. But
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 12: he's up there him.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: And maybe we understood it. Eligi, to be honest with you,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: with too many categories, I know, I.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 12: Know they got to build a foundation of a championship team.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 12: That's what that means for the pion They don't understand
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 12: football charts.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 13: But that's that.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 12: But other than that, my question is the guys that
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 12: they the guys that they brought up, did they put
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 12: free agency wide well practice squad, those tackles and nick
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 12: guard you was talking about, anyway they push for a
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 12: starting position.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: Did the ones that we got the waved off the waivers? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: the waves I would hardly doubt, highly doubt that.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Demntre Jacobs has got some tools, but it seems
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: like uh, Trey Jacobs, I stand corrected. Uh, he's got
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: some tools, but he's the developmental type of player, good athlete, big,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: you know, six six three fifteen, three twenty. But I
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: don't know if he's ready to contribute that the way
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: Eldrid is talking about.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 5: Plus he's gotta learn the system and everything.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 12: Yet a whole lot better than than what we've seen
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 12: doing pre seasons.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know about that. Yeah, give me the quarterback.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he's better than Vederian Lowe.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: The guys that got cut. Yeah, like right, guys that
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: are off waivers, that are on their rookie contract that
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: get cut. I don't think we'll qualify as better than
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: what you have.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: We're gonna believe our earlier email.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Or there's not too many teams with good defensive lines
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: and they got cut.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: And the young ones that are making nothing because they
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: can't have, you know, four or more years experience to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: to have to go through waivers.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: All right, thanks, I'm looking forward to thank you. Okay,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: thanks for the call. Yeah, I'm here, hear me, Okay,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: we can hear yet.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 16: Yeah, Okay, Seeing how bad all that the line is
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 16: doing right now, why not the Patriots try to make
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 16: the trade for Walker Little from Jacksonville so that we
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 16: don't have to spend the first round pick on the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 16: table here to take the till McMillan from Arizona. Is
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 16: that a valuable option?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: I don't really believe Walker Little is anything special. If
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: I remember correctly, he was. Also, there's something weird with
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: him in the in the drafts, like injuries or he's
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: like older. So I don't remember what it is off
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: the top of my head, but I don't. I'm not
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: gonna sit here and pretend like I want a bunch
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: of Walker Little tape over the last couple of years.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: But I don't recall him being like that. We've now
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: solved this problem, set that tackle, you know, Like I
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: don't really view him quite on that lovel he's twenty five. Yeah,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: there's something about him in the draft I don't remember.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: So just out of curiosity. If he's so good and
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: he would be better than drafting Will Campbell as an example,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: why is he available? Yeah, Like the whole notion of
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: picking up someone else's scraps so you don't have to
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: take one in the first you know, the top top
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: five doesn't make sense to me, Like, why would you
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: assume that Walker Little is a better option than Will Campbell? Oh?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was injuries? So in college. In his
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: last two years in college, he played one game because
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: he had so many injuries in college on tap talent,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: so I remembered kind of health. But yeah, I mean.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: Second round pick in twenty one. Yeah, so he's available,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: I assume, forgive me, but I don't know the depth
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: charts of thirty two teams on the offensive line.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: Very surprised, Paul.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: So this is a guy who should be if he's
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: that good, and he was. He went in the second
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: round instead of the first because of injuries at Stanford, right, yep,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: But he's not playing for the Jags, so we can
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: get him. And that's better than Will Campbell. And by
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: the way, the guy that he mentioned, and this is
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not picking because the guy had an unbelievable game.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: The guy you mentioned, the receiver from Arizona. Can't pronounce
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: his first name, but we call him t mac just
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: to he's got Oh.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: He was talking about Ted mckillan mcmill millings.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: Because me, he had three hundred yards receiving in the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: opening game and he is considered to be one of
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: the top wide receivers coming out right, I am very intrigued.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: So Antennas are all the way up. So he goes
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: to the University of Arizona. I know the backup quarterback McMillan,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: So his name is I think he's like Samoan or something.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: I should probably do that, not just say something so
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: Ted mckill McMillan. I keep seeing mckillan for some reason.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: You kind of just say it for short. But he
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: is a prototypical talk about X receivers, like he's six ' five.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: You know, he's in the same body type of like
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: a Drake London in Atlanta. Some people say Mike Evans.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: I've retired Mike Evans from player comps. I think he's
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: too good. Like I don't try not to comp people.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: The players like Mike Evans, but he's in that sort
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: of category of like big time outside receiver, moves incredibly
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: well for his size, and is going to be top
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty pick in the draft next year.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: Ten in Las Vegas writes in I haven't heard the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: question asked who will be the backup quarterback to Brissett
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: and who will be the emergency third quarterback? It was yeah,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Drake may is the backup quarterback. He says, I think
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I'd prefer Milton to be the backup rather than May
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: and maybe the emergency. I don't know if May's first
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: appearance should be coming in as a backup why, Well,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: no matter when he at this point, no matter when
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: he comes in, he's going to be coming in as
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: the backup.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: Well, I think his point is he would like him
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: to prepare it in the middle of the game as
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: a starter. But I don't really know why. What's the difference.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's not coddle the guy.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: We've already already.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: And what did you see from Joe?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 6: Like, I was kind of disappointed in Joe Milton summer,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: to be honest, Not that I was expecting much, but
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 6: I just didn't see a lot of progress.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe it was there if you looked at the
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: minor details.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: But five for eighteen not doing it for you.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: No, that's a good way of putting in Mike he
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: kind of It wasn't that he was ever terrible. It
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: just ye had that one opening preseason game was good
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: and then it just kind of leveled off from there
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: and it never Drake May got better.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: The last the preseason games were really rough for Milton.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: It just became throw the ball deep. Just throw the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: ball deep, That's all I want to And that.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: Kind of coincided with him. And this is probably not
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: coincidental with him really getting almost no reps to it
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: like that. That's once the preseason game started, his reps
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: almost disappeared in practice, So it's probably not a coincidence
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: of that girl performance in the games really went down.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: David Mayne writes in when coach Mayo announced Jacoby Brissett
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: as the starting quarterback, I really wish a media person
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: would have asked him if starting the solid but non
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: mobile average quarterback over the young athletic playmaking rookie was
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: something he learned from Bill. Mayo was so bound and
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: determined to be the opposite of Bill that I bet
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: he would do a one to eighty and start may instead.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: I say that tongue in cheek, but I do think
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: there's some truth there that brings me to my question,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: in your opinion, why was Bill so terrible about building offense?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: From Nikhil Harry to taking Cole Strange of the first
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: round to making Maddy PC. I feel like in the
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: last few years he drafted a lot of old linemen,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Yet here we are. Do you think this was just
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: a lack of respect for offensive football. Was he trying
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: to sabotage Mac because he didn't want him to in.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: The first place.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: I still to this day can't understand how the greatest
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: coach ever made such terrible decisions.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: How long we going?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: No, I think he struggled late. I mean, I don't
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: think he had a hard time now. Obviously Brady helps that,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: but I don't think we picked apart every move that
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: he made offensively over the years. Now, certainly Mike plays
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: the greatest hits of the last seven eight nine years
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: or so. He struggled, and I think it was less
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: about identifying, you know, like Nikhil Harry's an identification problem,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: that's an evaluation issue. I think they ignored it more,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: you know, too.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: Often towards the end, especially.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: I just I don't know if it's a cliched as
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: just the old guy who gets set in his ways
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: and just doesn't want to change. That's kind of got
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: used to having a quarterback and an offensive coordinator who
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: just kind of made things run.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: And I know what things he could still do was
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: the offensive lineman. Like WHENU was his, so was his
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: And those are guys that are playing, and I would
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: count David Andrews in that group, even though he wasn't
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: a draft pick. He was an undrafted rookie that they
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: developed and he played right away.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: It's just the high round misses. And I think the
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: thing that stood out to me was like when Drake
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: may or Christian Gonzalez is on the field this summer,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 6: they're different, They're different, They're talent, they are super talented
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: athletic guys, and there was none of those guys on
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: the roster the last few years, you know. I mean,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: it was just it was so hard, the high round misses,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: the lack of talent. But I just there's a lot
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: going on there. I will never be able to figure out, though,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 6: how the Matt Patricia thing of it all coaching the line,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: how that was? How was that?
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: I think that Bill got overconfident when he drafted Steven
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Neil and he ended up being a really good guard.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: I think Stephen Neil was undrafted, wasn't he he was?
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: But I think at the point, but I think that
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: they had really good success with Lineman. Yeah, yeah, I
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: think that.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: Well, and because they had Dante well.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: Because he but he also I think ways like lineman
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: haven't changed dramatically. Now there's some that that's maybe moving
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: to a more athletic lineman, but there's still like the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: principles of line player, the same guy in front of
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: you right. Offense in general has changed dramatically, and I
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: think as it's gone from Corey Dillon leading the way
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 5: to the quarterback being the focal point, I think he's
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: been slow to adjust.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think he never he never put the
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: value in the receiver position the way that the rest
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: of the league did, Like that trend hit, and he
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: was still all this draft this guy or signed DeVante Parker,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: trade for DeVante Parker, you know, depressed Nelson Agalre, Kendrick Bourne,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: and I love Kendrick.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, like I think there's a whole thing.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: It comes down to locker room economics. He was very
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: aware of, you know, what the economics and the culture
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: of the locker room was. And I think he looked
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: as a football team as this unit that you know,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: I'd rather have a bunch of guys who love football,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: can play together, are coachable. Football is important than have
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: these one or two divas. And I think he was
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: really wary of getting those types of guys on his team,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: and when he did, they were like the retreads.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: That used to be a dealers.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Tony never won IM ring and now was just grateful
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: to be given that chance. And so you come in
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: with that sense of gratitude and loyalty to me. I
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: know that if he was here, he called me a moron.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm being serious, but I think there's something to that.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: But that was just about content, not necessarily right.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: But I do think Fred, you you know you're you
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: could be right about that. But it's like, but once
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: the team starts losing, then no one cares about the hierarchy.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 6: They care that you suck and you're getting your teeth
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 6: kicked in every week and you can't move the ball.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: You don't have enough talent to move the you know
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: what I mean, you have Tom Brady.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: It just covered they never He never valued the wide
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: receiver position the way the rest of the league was
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: starting to value it. And the NFL is one of
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: those things where like the money just follow the money,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: like what are teams spending money on? And all of
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: a sudden, the wide receiver position just became a thirty
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: million dollars a year position for the elite guys, and
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: he would never pay a wide receiver that kind of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: money because he just didn't see the value in it.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: And he didn't Well it's again, you might be right
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: in terms of not seeing the value in it, but
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: the reason he didn't value it is because of the
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: how it would disrupt his locker room and how it
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: disrupted the pecking goal.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: I think that's the whole I think that's valid. Yeah,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: I think that's absolutely valid. But I think what Evan's
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: saying is valid too. It wasn't just like the higher archy.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Like you can't say he didn't value Randy Moss.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: Of course he did, yeah, but at that at that
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: price again and a depressed assets and as soon as
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: Randy Moss. But I think as important as what you
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: were talking about is the mentality of the like the
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: the grateful attitude, like you owe this to Bill. It's
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: not just about the money he was making. It's I'm
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: giving him his last chance, that's right, So I'm going
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: to get the most out of him.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: I don't mind if he's going to get some money,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: but because he owes it to me, and I think
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: that was part of it. There's a lot of things
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: that people have said about what Mayo has done so
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: far that well, Bill never would have done that. It's
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: been a lot of things so far, most of which
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think are true, Like when they signed far
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: More to an extension and Stevenson Joia. Bill would have
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: never done that. They just did the same thing like
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: last year to Godshaw into Devonte Parker. Guys like that. Right,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: this is one that is one thousand percent true. There's
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: no way they would have gone as aggressively after Brandon
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: Ayuk as the Patriots did, offering a thirty plus million
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: dollar annual value contract and investing resources to get him.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: Now to guarantee Poe.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: But if somehow he fell through the cracks and he
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: becomes Randy Moss and I can get him for a
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: fourth round pick and paying peanuts. Now he owes me right,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: these guys were looking to come here. I agree with Evan.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: He doesn't value does not value that position. He looks
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: at everybody else is now.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: He looks like it. Teams like Miami, who he thinks
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: three three players are taking up like you know, however
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: much of their cap it's to a Tyreek Hill and
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: Jalen Waddle and he's like idiots like idiots, right, But
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: the rest of the league is that's how it's now
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: being structured.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Well, it used to be like, well, how do you
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: sustain that?
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Well, you can sustain it by manipulating the cap later on,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: so all the cap is so high. Yeah, so you know,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Tyreek killed the size of retired, which I thought, by
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: the way, he was going to do after this year.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: But anyway, you know, so he's gone, all right, so
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: maybe yet you're left with a whole bunch of dead money.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: You figure it out by moving some other contracts around.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: There's a way to sustain it.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He went on TV whatever gig he was doing,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: and he was waxing poetic about how great of a
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: job Kansas City has done running their cap, completely ignoring
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: the fact that they have Patrick Mahomes as the quarterback.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, when Patrick Mahomes is your quarterback,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: you can trade Tyreek Hill and you still are going
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: to win Super Bowls.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: Because you have Again, they just speaks to the right,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: So we don't have to beat up on Bill. The
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: guy's track record and resume speaks for itself. But it
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: just speaks to his mentality that he still thinks it's
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: about him.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: But the problem is, and listen, I love Bill, I'm
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: grateful for everything he's done, so don't get me wrong,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: But when he says that no one challenges him, well
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: because nobody pushes back.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: But they have Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: Because they have they're just so happy to be around.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: Like it's like college game day.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: They got rid of type kill and they still won
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: Suddenly it's like, you know, Shacky green Sabin up there,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: like he just he comes out and says, uh, you know,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: you gotta run the football. That's so true. Coach, that's
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: so true.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: But that's like because it's Pat mcavie.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: It's just unbelievable the way they fawn over Bill and
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: Nick Sabe and like, listen, great coaches arguably the best
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: to ever do it at their respective levels. Right, I'm
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: not telling you anything is overrated, But does everything they
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: have to say be so insightful? Does it have to
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: be like like mind bending, like football knowledge when they're
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: just talking in generalities like everybody, but did you hear
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: the sabing thing this week? Like you know that they
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: have a twenty million dollar roster with an io, Well
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: you better have the right twenty million, otherwise it'll go
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: worth a bleep. You would have thought that, like, oh really, yeah, really,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: you don't want to waste money on bad players like that.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: This is like insight, right, Like you want to make
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: sure that if you're spending a lot of money on
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: your roster, those.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: Guys play right and they're good.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: Of course, it's the same in the NFL.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: Right, if you have a first round draft pick, you
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: better make sure you use that on a good player.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: You better make sure he's not bleep, right.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: I think that twenty nineteen season, though, was such a
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 6: good example because you draft to kill Harry in the
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 6: first you went and grabbed the Antonio Brown, and then
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 6: you traded a second round pick for Mohammed Sanu. It
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 6: was like, you know, three different pieces that showed that
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: they were kind of searching for it but picking the
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: wrong guys.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: Well, I said, the evaluations was an issue with Harry.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: There were guys available that were a lot better than him,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: and as we all know, the Bobo told us that
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: if we thought that dk Metcalf was a better player
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: than Kaneil Harry, we were an idiot.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 6: It's carry out of the league now, did he get cut?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: I probably, but that's what he switched positions, the tight end.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: That's what Mike Lombardi famously told us. Right if you
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: think that dk Metcalf was a better player than Kaneil Harry, yes,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: I know it was always called him.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: It's just always so tough for me, the captain and
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: Kanil when we.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: Can look at it as as media types Layman's as
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: Fred likes to say, and say, you drafted Nikhil Harry
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: over A J. Brown and Deebo Samuel, like what are you?
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: What are you doing? But then the greatest coach of
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: all time like evaluated the players and came out with
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: Nikhil Harry And.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: It just doesn't make sense.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: It just that's the part that I can never And this.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: Goes back and this is why I kind of agree
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: with Evan how he just doesn't really value that spot.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: And it goes back to that excerpt from that book
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: a long time ago with Dimatrov talking about when he
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: made the move in Atlanta to move up to get
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: Julio Jones and he asked, he called Belichick and asked
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 5: for advice, and he said, why would you do that?
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: Just stay where you are and take Jonathan Baldwin again.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: I don't want that that guy like. This is why
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: I think both of you are right. I don't want
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: the entitled star. I want the workman like guys. It's
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: going to be grateful to me for drafting the first
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: round row. We know.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: The background on Nikhil Harry compared to some of these
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: other guys was he's a he's not as hard, not
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: as much of a boss.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 6: You know, you probably liked the physicality and he looks
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: like in thedonnas, I mean, it's not hard. He even
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 6: talked about the prototypical acts of h I mean, you
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 6: can look at Nikhil Harry without watching him play and
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: just his body type and say he's got the size
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 6: to play outside, he's got a willingness to like, you know,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: you could maybe understand what they were trying to sell
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: themself something.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: This is good when he wasn't throwing up behind the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: light pole about Harry.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: Practice anyway, Travis in West Virginia rights and no, I don't,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: but you don't remember.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: Probably more off here.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: Travis in West Virginia is the new pre and post
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: game guy talking about mattis going to be the host
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: for the whole season. Yes, So would you mind giving
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: me a quick bio of him, just so I know
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: his story and the genesis of his nickname. Well, he's
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: he's a senior executive producer of the Patriots. So all
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: the team, the preseason game and the TV shows that
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: you see. Uh, he produces all of those. And he
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: came here like what twenty years ago? Oh yeah, at
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: least from Channel five. He was a producer there. And
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: I believe, well we know that we call him No
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: Socks because when he wears shoes, he doesn't wear socks.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: When he wear sneakers, he does.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know if No Socks
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: would admit this, but I think he got the no
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: shoes with socks from Mike Lynch Swinger, who was the
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: sports guy, longtime sportscaster here in Boston, and whenever I'd
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: see them, because back then Channel four wasn't the station
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: was Channel five was the partner with the Page Access
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: Channel five, and when Mike Lynch would come in here
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: to film, he'd never have socks with his shoes.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: First, my first stinch on All Access was Channel.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: So I think I think Matt, Matt No Socks got
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: it from Mike Lynch.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: He also loves flops Matt Smith. So when you guys
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: say no socks, I always think about him on the
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: road just walking around with the dogs out.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: He is also the coast of Pass from the Past
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: with Paul.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: He's also on Think a college bomber shout out.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: I didn't know.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: So his long career mostly behind the scenes, behind yeah
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: that's what I said. Yeah, not on behalf behind behind
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: and now he's you know, he asked Mike and I
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: like in the off season when we figured out that
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: Hardy wasn't coming back, Well, what do you think if
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: I host? Yeah, you know, of course he's my boss.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: So I really feel like I was comfortable enough to say, well,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: I really don't like that idea all.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: But he knows.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 6: He's been around a lot, and as I said on
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: the air during the pregame show, he's down in this
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: KSP studio, so there's just a high amount of foot traffic,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: so he's talking to everybody and he.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: Knows a lot of constant chatter. But he is one
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: of my favorite road trip guys that I've ever road
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: tripped with. I call him appetizer Matt because you go
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: to a restaurant with him and he's got a bud
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: light in his hand and get through the door, and
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: then he and then he tells the waiter, why don't
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: you bring another bud lights because by the time you
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: get back, I'll be done with this one, said this.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: One, I've been here before, and this one has a
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: hole in it.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he'll order every single appetizer on the menu.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: He's a good restaurant guy.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: He is a restaurant guy. He's a good conversationalist. He's
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: good to do that stuff. And Freddy, I mean, this
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: is no slight to you, Freddie, okay, because we had
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: some great road trips me you and Andy.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: So we've had a lot of storytelling over the years,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: and Matt's right in line with that kind of stuff.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: So I can see Evan, why you while you enjoy that.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: H Travis also says, also, can you tell No Socks
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: that when he takes phone calls, he doesn't need to
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: point out that the caller was waiting patiently every single time.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: Chances are they're not actually patient anyway. So yeah, No
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: Socks is going to have to understand that you're gonna
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: have to take your hits because our listeners and our
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: viewers are very.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: Nasty, critical, and that's what they just want to get
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: the best out of. That's what we want. We want
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: biting commentary, that's what we're looking for. So I would
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: just say that was Matt's first show this week, and
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: I think he sort of Mike and I talked to
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: him a little bit about like, you don't have to
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: feel compelled to jump on every email and call as
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: soon as you get it. To breathe a little bit,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: to breathe, like if we're talking to the topic, you know,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: like preseason pregame show, not exactly you know, two hours
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: worth of content there, but there will be, you know,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: when the season starts, we'll have some stuff and you
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: don't necessarily have to like stop everything you're doing. All right,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: someone's up on the on the call screen, and we
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: got to take that call right away. I think he felt, well,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: he's been waiting patiently. We got to get to him.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: That's why he kept saying, Fred doesn't care. Fred, it's rude, Fred, Fred,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: it's rude. We just started to show.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: As opposed to Hardy, who never read emails.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: Hardy was anti electronic.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't like people emailing, and then when he
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: would finally read it, he'd pretend he was Shakespeare.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: On the you know.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: But speaking of phone calls, let's get back to the
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: A Sticket hotline at eight five five past five one hundred.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: James is in North Carolina.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: Hey James, James, Hey guys, I'm here.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 13: Can hear me?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: We can hear you? All right?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 13: Good? So first of Paul Captain and Kneil is sneaky good.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: Sneaky good.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: That was me.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: That was That was Fred's line. But I got it again.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: The only guy in the room. I got it. I'm
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: the only one old enough.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 10: I brought it the other day.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: Hello, all right, what's going on?
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: You're doubled? Are you? Are you juggling things right now?
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 13: Carr stold my phone call. It's all good. So I
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 13: brought this to Rook the other day. How would you
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 13: guys feel about trying to address wide receiver by starting
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 13: at the bottom and looking at scouting. Pittsburgh pulled gems
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 13: out of the draft every single year. Nobody's got to
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 13: take a look over at their scouting department.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, why would Pittsburgh give up their wide receiver guru.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Well, well, maybe giving him a promotion less money at
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: a scouting direction. Yeah, No, it's I mean, it's not
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: a bad theory in identifying who around the league is
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: a really good evaluator of wide receivers, in promoting them,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: giving them more money and a promotion to get them
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: over here.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: So just because you want Tom to identify a wide receiver.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: To help you ongoing to help you know, part of
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: my scouting.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: I think Kevin Colbert was the reason for Pittsburgh scouting
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: dominance and he's out of the league to retire.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: But would you say that an element of continuity there too?
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 6: Though it seems like, you know, stable coaching staff seem
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: like their system was kind of in place. Knew what
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 6: they were looking for. Have people that have been there
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: had come up, you know, knowing what they were looking
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, is that part of it too?
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, gonna go chat the egg with it, Like, how
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: do you know how much of it is evaluation and
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: how much of it is development? Thanks James, because so
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: I would go with the development part now, because like
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: they've had some guys over the years that Antonio Brown,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: It's like a sixth round pick. Now, some of that
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: was because of the off field stuff.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: And Annuel Sanders and Antonio Brown. I believe we're in
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: the same draft fourth and sixth round. Yeah wow, or
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: maybe back to back years.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that to me is development, right, that's what
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: And Antonio Brown didn't play right away because it was
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: a crowded and so they those two guys to me
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: are like development. They also had like Chase Claypool, who
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: was the most talented guy that's probably come out out
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: of the draft at that position in a couple of years,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: and it just didn't work out, you know, had one
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: good year and didn't work out. So yeah, they have
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: a great track record with wide receivers. I just don't
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: know how much of that.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: It's all of it.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: It's coaching, it's development, it's evaluation. How do you replicate that?
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: One other thing, I saw Brady doing one of his
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 6: things that he's been doing, but he was talking about
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 6: receivers that couldn't get it and guys that you know,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 6: this guy can't even line up right. He'd used Welker
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 6: as an example of like Wes, I knew, no matter what,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 6: even if he doesn't catch the ball, he's gonna go
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 6: one hundred Miles, probably he's going to be in the
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: right place. And he was pretty forthcoming about if the
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: guy doesn't know what he's doing, he's not getting the ball,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 6: and you know, so I just I think, and I
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 6: brought it up before on the show, if he was
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: part of that like and for better or worse, And
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: you certainly got much more good than you got bad
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 6: with Brady, but I think you also had a very
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 6: high bar for what it took to be successful. And
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: I mean I wonder if if maybe some of that's Nikill.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, obviously ni Kill Harry hasn't worked out, but
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: you know, it's it was tough to play for Tom
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: Brady and to be able, and I'm sure once you
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 6: were up against it, it only got harder because he's
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 6: looking less and less your way. He doesn't trust you,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 6: and you know, it gets harder, so he an he
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: kills part of it too.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: If Jalen Pope does well, does that like.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Give you a little bit more confidence or does the
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: mistakes of the last few years still go on this
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: current scouting department?
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: I think a guy like Thornton it was still credited
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 5: was mac Growe remember, like remember mac growe belligerently, like
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: speaking to us and all, you've been grinding all the
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: tape and you know at that post draft press conference
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: that year. But yeah, for the most part, this is
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: a new group. There's the new guys that are picking
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 5: the play.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm picky. I just think, like, you know,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 6: to find a slot receiver, you know, you should be
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 6: able to do that. You should be able to find
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: a guy like pol who you know, it looks like
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 6: a solid, good sized possession receiver. The test for me
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: is getting the one getting that, you know, being able
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: to pull an Antonio Brown out of the sixth round
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 6: those kind of thing, is that, you know, that's the
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 6: true test of talent evaluation is finding an elite wide receiver.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 6: You know, these guys are good and they're solid, and
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 6: I think there are two pieces in place that you
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: need to win football.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 5: Is solid.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: You know, they're solid pieces.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 6: You need the needle mover guy not make it.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: But you can't do that, you know, like, no, but
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: that's fine.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: Bill was really grinding Liberty tape in the sixth round.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: But I'm okay with that. But I'm just saying it's
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: not like they haven't been able to find complimentary pieces.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: To Mike's point, they haven't been Nikhil Harry was supposed
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 5: to be the home run right, right, and they haven't
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: been able to.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: Get that guy.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: The high end guys, you know, first second round picks
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: Aaron Dobson, you know, and no one's killing them for
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: Kembell Tompkins. And when I'm drafted free agent.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: Like Evan can go out to the Shrine Bowl and
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 6: see to Mario Douglas and say this guy's can move,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 6: he's you know, I can turn on Jalen Polk after
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 6: not watching cold football and I'm saying, I like this kid.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 6: I think he can you know, I think he has
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 6: something to offer. But it's that like finding that gem
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 6: elite player that's going to truly.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: Identifying the guy like the kid from Arizona the other
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: day and saying he can do that in the NFL. Yeah,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 5: and that's hard.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: Spiing Fresno, speaking of picking on no socks.
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  Speaker 2: He has a habit of sharply responding correct when someone
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: has expressed an opinion he agrees with. If it an opinion,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: it's not necessarily correct. The implication is, yes, lucky you,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: I approve of your opinion.
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  Speaker 5: Man, this last this last portion of the show is
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: not going to sit well.
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  Speaker 4: Then, I just feel like change. We all know him
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: so well, so all these things that they're pointing out
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: is like, well, that's just Matt and they don't you
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: don't know him yet, so you'll.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: You'll realize exactly what ever is saying. Mad has a
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: lot of quirky idiosyncrasies. You know, he's a character.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 6: You'll get to know him.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get to know him all season because he's
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: going to be hosting the pre and post game show
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the season.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: Except for that one game that's my favorite.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: All right, that's going to be it for this edition
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfilter. Remember we're back to three days a week,
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  Speaker 2: so we will be back tomorrow Wednesday, which is the
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: turn the Page Day, although I know they've already looked
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: at Cincinnati, but it's the first big media day of
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: the season in the regular season. It'll be all about
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati and the game coming up tomorrow, press conferences, all
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: So we'll see at noon.
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