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Only 1 team left undefeated in NCAA women's hockey · The PodKaz: USCHO Women's Hockey

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  Speaker 1: Usccho dot com. I had welcome to the podcast on
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  Speaker 1: Todd Malusky here when Nicole Hosey. We're from us cho
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  Speaker 1: dot com and we are here to talk women's hockey
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  Speaker 1: with you. We've got a little bit of WHL talk
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  Speaker 1: about as we answered the regular season later this week.
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  Speaker 1: But let's get right into the NCAA weekend that we
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  Speaker 1: saw just a few days ago. Nicole, they the big
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  Speaker 1: series for me was Colgate and Cornell going into the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: and it did deliver. Colgate handing Cornell its first loss
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  Speaker 1: of the season three nothing on Friday, Cornell beating Colgate
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  Speaker 1: in overtime on Saturday after being down two goals in
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  Speaker 1: the second period. I think good, good things on both
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  Speaker 1: sides there. We had talked about Colgate needings to build
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  Speaker 1: something and this being a great opportunities. Well they did
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  Speaker 1: that on Friday, not far away from getting a sweep,
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  Speaker 1: but would have been a really big sweep. But Cornell
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  Speaker 1: the show a bounce back and get right back into
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  Speaker 1: it on the second gay second day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's two things right. It was signs
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  Speaker 2: of life from Colgate and like not just with the win,
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  Speaker 2: but it was an okay first period and then they
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  Speaker 2: must have had one heck of an intermission, and they
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  Speaker 2: came out and scored, you know, two goals and seventy
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  Speaker 2: seconds to start the second And that's you know, that's
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  Speaker 2: how you turn the tables, that's how you that's what
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  Speaker 2: you build on all the sort of stuff we've been
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  Speaker 2: talking about sort of hypothetically for teams that need to
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  Speaker 2: get back into it. I felt like Colgate went out
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  Speaker 2: and did, you know, sort of exactly what they want
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  Speaker 2: to do in that game, and then you know, had
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  Speaker 2: a solid game in the second game too, And and
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  Speaker 2: for Cornell it was that ability to fight back and
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  Speaker 2: come back right when you've started off undefeated and you know,
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  Speaker 2: sort of all those cliches, but it's the things that
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  Speaker 2: you that adverse you need to face and you want
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  Speaker 2: to be doing that now in the first half and
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  Speaker 2: before we get to you know, February. So I thought
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  Speaker 2: for both teams, there was just so much to like
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  Speaker 2: about what they did and just to like to keep
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  Speaker 2: showing and building on them. So yeah, for Colgate, I thought, wow, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is like where has this been? So I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what needed to happen or what had what clicked
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  Speaker 2: for them, If it was that it was that rivalry game,
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  Speaker 2: but it felt like the pieces game together for them
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  Speaker 2: in a different way this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought so. And that first game, it's not
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  Speaker 1: like that was a fluke or anything. They outshot Cornell
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  Speaker 1: forty four to twenty, so you could say that that
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  Speaker 1: game was definitely in their their their side the whole way.
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  Speaker 1: Brooke Davis made twenty saves for the shutout, and like
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, Alexis Petford and Emma Gervais Beauchamp got goals
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  Speaker 1: in the first minute ten seconds of the second period
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  Speaker 1: and away they went. After a kind of a seemed
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  Speaker 1: like a little bit of a feeling out first period
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  Speaker 1: and it had had some chances and then it did
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  Speaker 1: go Colgate's direction in the second period. There So, that
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  Speaker 1: being Cornell's first leaves Penn State as the only undefeated
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  Speaker 1: team left in women's hockey. The Penn State is now
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  Speaker 1: fourteen and oher and running away with things in Atlantic
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  Speaker 1: Hockey America as we talked about before, but Cornell Correl
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  Speaker 1: Prefontein and giving the overtime goal in the Saturday game
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  Speaker 1: important for the Big Red there down like I mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: three to one second period to find their way back,
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  Speaker 1: and that's a something that is going to I think payoff.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout the season. You see teams always ask, well, how
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  Speaker 1: do we do when we face some adversity. Well, there
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  Speaker 1: it was, you lost one, you're down by a couple
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  Speaker 1: of goals. Let's see what you've got. And I think
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  Speaker 1: Cornell showed us something there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say too though, I think maybe the
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  Speaker 2: one sort of question mark or the little wobble is
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  Speaker 2: that everyone in their goals with special teams and so
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  Speaker 2: there's absolutely positive of call your way back and also
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  Speaker 2: taking advantage of the opportunities presented to you, but also
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  Speaker 2: not great that they're not scoring you know, at even
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  Speaker 2: strength there and so it was at even strength a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a struggle for them at times, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: things to build on and learn from, and just overall, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I felt like both of those teams has to come
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  Speaker 2: away from that weekend pretty happy. I mean, the way
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  Speaker 2: things are going, you know, Cornell probably felt like they
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  Speaker 2: could sweep that weekend and things like that. So there's
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  Speaker 2: some disappointment there, but with the way the games played out,
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  Speaker 2: I think they both come away from that, like the
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  Speaker 2: with the points, but also with the lessons learned and
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that's going to help them for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of other results in ECAC last week
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  Speaker 1: that worth mentioning, Harvard getting a four to one win
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  Speaker 1: against Number ten Yale on Friday, Emily Davidson making forty
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  Speaker 1: three saves for the Crimson There. That's the team we
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  Speaker 1: haven't talked a lot about over the last few years.
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  Speaker 2: No, they had their worst season in like program history
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  Speaker 2: last season. Like they've struggled, So I assumed that's what
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  Speaker 2: we were going to see more of, right, Like, they
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  Speaker 2: definitely weren't on my radar to be doing what they're
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  Speaker 2: they've been doing so far.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, even I mean I think early in the
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  Speaker 1: season it's uh, you know, they start later than everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: We've we've talked about that before. But finding finding some
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  Speaker 1: some wins here and there is big for that program
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  Speaker 1: to rebuild. I don't know where they are necessarily in
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  Speaker 1: that or whether you even call it a rebuild given
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  Speaker 1: the way things kind of shift year to year anyway,
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  Speaker 1: but if if you can you can put some some
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  Speaker 1: roots down there in terms of how you're going to
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  Speaker 1: move forward, Uh, that's that's a good way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Especially against Yale, which we know Harvard and Yale have
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  Speaker 1: a pretty spirited rivalry in all sports.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there not only are they just like
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  Speaker 2: getting the wins and getting the results, but they're you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're scoring almost a goal more per game, or I
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  Speaker 2: think it's over a goal at this point. They're allowing
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  Speaker 2: a goal fewer per game, like all of those metrics
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  Speaker 2: that you want to see. And and it's just true
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  Speaker 2: too that like winning the gets for their winning, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like if you're when they have their worst record program history,
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  Speaker 2: they're not, it's not great to show recruits, right, So
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  Speaker 2: like when you start getting those wins, it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: some of the stuff we've talked about with Brown and
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  Speaker 2: Dartmouth over the last couple of years. They don't have
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  Speaker 2: the same story history as Harvard, but you gotta you
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  Speaker 2: have to show that work to improvement to pull in
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  Speaker 2: those recruits. So it's this like building process, and I
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  Speaker 2: feel like what Harvard is doing this year is showing
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  Speaker 2: that like that season. I mean, it hasn't been great
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of years, but last season being the
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  Speaker 2: worst like that is the anomaly and not not what
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  Speaker 2: we want this program to be. You know, there's been
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  Speaker 2: a lot of changes there over the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: You've you know, you've kind of got your your coach
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  Speaker 2: getting settled and getting her own, you know, her own
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  Speaker 2: stamp on a program that was coached by the same
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  Speaker 2: person for decades. So yeah, I just think like there's
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing but good to see out of what's coming
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  Speaker 2: out of Harvard so far the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Harvard five four and one overall of three four
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  Speaker 1: and one in ACAC play. So yeah, not you know,
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  Speaker 1: not a bad start for a team that, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: had it just a year to forget a year ago
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  Speaker 1: and it seemed like nothing it right. Having having something
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  Speaker 1: go right fairly early an important step there. Also rewinding
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  Speaker 1: a little bit further. Last week, there was a midweek
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  Speaker 1: game number twelve. Clarkson got a six to one win
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  Speaker 1: over Saint Lawrence on Wednesday last week. Uh, that one.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like that was an important one for Clarkson.
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  Speaker 1: You know, midweek games you never really know where you
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  Speaker 1: know what's going to show up sometimes, especially then you
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  Speaker 1: don't play the following weekend. It's you've got a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of time off for Clarkson to come out and
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  Speaker 1: get a big win. In that game. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was impressive, and especially after having just kind of a
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  Speaker 1: really rough stretch of things Tige with Quinnipiac scoreless tie.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was if I remember it right in
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  Speaker 1: Princeton losing there, we were.
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  Speaker 2: Worry about Clarkson scoring goals, right, like, yeah, really, it's fine,
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  Speaker 2: it's all fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Six, that's a big one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, I agree. I think that was a
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  Speaker 2: really important sort of statement bounce back, however you want
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  Speaker 2: to say it, and it's I mean, it's obviously things
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  Speaker 2: were low, but I think just sort of shaking off
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  Speaker 2: what happened before and like you said, making having that
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  Speaker 2: really and that's a big rivalry from them. We talked
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  Speaker 2: about those skills are literally you know, a couple miles apart,
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  Speaker 2: and I think, yeah, that was that's their their daytime game,
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  Speaker 2: and just there's so many good things that happened there
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  Speaker 2: for them to come away with and really sort of
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  Speaker 2: prop up the last few weeks before they head into
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  Speaker 2: the break over.
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  Speaker 1: In the WHA, we had Saint Cloud State hosting number
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  Speaker 1: one Wisconsin and the first game in a five to
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  Speaker 1: one for Wisconsin, but the Huskies. I was impressed. On
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  Speaker 1: Saturday with the number of times that they rebounded and
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  Speaker 1: responded to Wisconsin goals and getting a four to four tie.
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  Speaker 1: Wisconsin did win the shootout after that, so they took
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  Speaker 1: five or six points, but Amelia Kurico fifty two saves
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  Speaker 1: in that one, returning from injury, kind of showing what
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  Speaker 1: Saint Cloud had been missing a little bit over the
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  Speaker 1: last few weeks. And just for Saint Cloud to we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this plenty of times, you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: tough to to make any headway in the WHA. For
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  Speaker 1: them to get even that kind of resultant show that look,
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  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, whatever has happened happened, but we're not
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  Speaker 1: backing down in our own building. To come back from
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  Speaker 1: two goals down and then caught back up, made three
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  Speaker 1: to three, went down again, but with the power play
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  Speaker 1: goal by Wisconsin and then Maria mckaylien. Sorry I probably
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  Speaker 1: get that wrong.
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  Speaker 2: She's Russian, so I think it's Mikauelien, but support on.
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  Speaker 1: The power play three forty six left to make it
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  Speaker 1: four to four. So impressive result, if not the full
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  Speaker 1: result that Saint Cloud would have won.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, but you could see we've talked in past
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  Speaker 2: and like some of the teams maybe from the bottom
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  Speaker 2: and the half the standings might steal some points. These
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  Speaker 2: weren't stolen points, Like though they honestly probably should have
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  Speaker 2: won that game, Like they made Wisconsin look bad, and
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  Speaker 2: every time Wisconsin, you know, sort of found their depth
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  Speaker 2: and do what they do is one of the top
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  Speaker 2: teams in the country. They were still able to answer.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, like that's such a crucial point to
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  Speaker 2: what happened there. I mean, some of it was teasing,
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  Speaker 2: I think, but I saw some talk on social about
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  Speaker 2: like how I think Saint Cloud is like four four
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  Speaker 2: nine and one something like that, Like how they're still
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  Speaker 2: ranked as high as they are in them It's like,
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  Speaker 2: because look at that game. They're in these really tough games.
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  Speaker 2: They're not getting blown out from them. They're winning the
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  Speaker 2: games they should win, and they're coming close in the
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  Speaker 2: games against teams that are significantly more and better restores
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  Speaker 2: and stronger than they are. You know, I think like
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  Speaker 2: there's really there is a valid conversation to have there
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  Speaker 2: about how much you want to weigh some of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a nonsense conversation, but I also
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  Speaker 2: think that people are not if you just look at
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  Speaker 2: that record, like that's not fair to Saint Cloud State either,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't I think a lot of other teams
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  Speaker 2: that are currently raked would not have as good of
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  Speaker 2: a record on Saint Cloud's schedule as Saint Cloud currently has.
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  Speaker 2: And I just kind of want to shout out too,
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  Speaker 2: Like I think I have talked a bunch about some
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  Speaker 2: of the freshmen, especially some of the European freshmen on
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State and Minnesota and some of the other schools.
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  Speaker 2: Maria is someone that has been I think a little
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  Speaker 2: under the radar coming out of Russia, like we're not
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  Speaker 2: getting as much, you know, sort of information or things
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  Speaker 2: like that, and she has been a huge, huge addition
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  Speaker 2: to that roster. She so I was looking up, but
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  Speaker 2: she played a little bit with Nu Ratu at the
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  Speaker 2: krs Vanka Raise and that was the connection to get
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  Speaker 2: her to Saint Cloud and to meet Brian Atulski to
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  Speaker 2: get recruited and just like what a huge, huge addition
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  Speaker 2: for them. She's just she is so dynamic. She impressed
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  Speaker 2: me so many times already so far this season, and
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  Speaker 2: that you know, there are a dozen games in or
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is. So she's someone that I think needs
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  Speaker 2: to be on more radars for sure.
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  Speaker 1: On the other side of that is a Wisconsin team that,
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  Speaker 1: like you mentioned, there had some stretches where it just
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  Speaker 1: didn't look very good last week coming off of a bye,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a bye when they had you know, five
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  Speaker 1: of their players at the rivalry series. So it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different.
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  Speaker 3: But but they had their full roster for the first
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  Speaker 3: time in weeks, and they looked slow, they looked they
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  Speaker 3: made there was a lot of turnovers, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: defense on the stakes, some of the same stuff we
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  Speaker 3: saw against Minnesota a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it was not it was not
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  Speaker 2: a good look.
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  Speaker 1: No, And that's uh, you know, it has to be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a concern if there's I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's points that you can say, well, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is probably pretty correctable for a lot of the things,
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  Speaker 1: because it was some of it was, you know, there
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  Speaker 1: I think some effort questions. I think there were some
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  Speaker 1: you know, a detailed kind of things that yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably good for them every once in a while to
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  Speaker 1: you know, get callid, you know, to pay the price
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  Speaker 1: and for those things to then mean something and be
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  Speaker 1: able to turn it right back around in practice because
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  Speaker 1: the quality is obviously no lower there than it has been.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a matter of you know, putting it together,
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  Speaker 1: and that's that's really what it comes down to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the it's not necessarily that it was
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  Speaker 2: a bad game, that's concerning it's for me partly that
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  Speaker 2: it was the second one that we're seeing some of
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  Speaker 2: the same stuff that went poorly against Minnesota and led
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  Speaker 2: told that loss, and then also that it came off
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  Speaker 2: the bye week, and as you said, there are asterisks
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  Speaker 2: to that, but this is a team, you know, Mark
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  Speaker 2: Johnson and even the players we're talking about how important
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  Speaker 2: that weekend off and some of that was. And so
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  Speaker 2: to come out looking like this after that bit was
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  Speaker 2: a little like that's not great, guys. And again, like
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  Speaker 2: we have talked about it as much since the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the season, but with the Olympic stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: none of this is getting any easier. And so if
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  Speaker 2: this is what you're doing with your full roster, then yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's work to be done, right, Like there's there's just
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that you have to be
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  Speaker 2: unhappy with there. So and and also like I think
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those things where they're their own worst
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  Speaker 2: enemy and that they've set their own expectations really high,
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  Speaker 2: Like we know how good they can play, we know
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  Speaker 2: what Mark Johnson expects from them. So when you see
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  Speaker 2: some of the like some of the laziness and the
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  Speaker 2: effort stuff, it's a little like mmmm huh.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: But that being said, I think if that persists, they've
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  Speaker 2: kind of quite the bench and that player. Those players
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  Speaker 2: just won't be on the ice anymore so or won't
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  Speaker 2: be on the ice as much. So Yeah, but the
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  Speaker 2: effort thing is just very strange. But you got to
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  Speaker 2: remember too that they're they're still really young kids, right like,
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  Speaker 2: even though we think of them as professionals and some
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  Speaker 2: of them are gonna be Olympians, you're still talking uh,
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  Speaker 2: developing minds and developing players. So yeah, I think there's
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  Speaker 2: some mastress and also kind of like what you're talking
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  Speaker 2: about with Clarkson, right Like, if that continues, I have concerns.
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  Speaker 2: And Clarkson went out and did not continue it, so
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  Speaker 2: maybe that will happen again. But yes, it's it's one
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  Speaker 2: of those like I'm in a bookmark that and remember
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  Speaker 2: this and think about it in a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Right also in the WCHA, Minnesota loose number five team
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  Speaker 1: in the country as of last week, got a sweep
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  Speaker 1: at Saint Thomas number fifteen three to one on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: four to two on Saturday. E f gascon on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: with thirty five saves to complete the sweep. And that's
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  Speaker 1: you know, it feels like you're definitely seeing that division
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  Speaker 1: forming in the WHA between the top four and the
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  Speaker 1: bottom four. There's not a lot of question. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: the way it is. Again.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely the sort of you know appendix that is that
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, those were I thought Minnesota Duluth
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  Speaker 2: dominated the games, they were in control of the games,
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  Speaker 2: but Saint Thomas was in both of the games. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that for them is the thing that they
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  Speaker 2: have to take away from it that it wasn't you know,
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  Speaker 2: again the idea of like they're not sealing goals and
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  Speaker 2: things like that, They're they're holding some possession and making
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  Speaker 2: some really good plays and needing to be able to
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  Speaker 2: put it all together. But those are pretty close results
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  Speaker 2: for Saint Thomas in that situation. And so I think, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we have the dividing line. And also there are you
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  Speaker 2: know positive to see you know what could be coming
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  Speaker 2: as well?
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  Speaker 1: In Hockey East last week we had a rivalry series
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  Speaker 1: between Boston College and Boston University, and BC got a
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  Speaker 1: sweep of that home and home set, five to two
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  Speaker 1: at home on Thursday, three to two on Friday at
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: BU at Agaanis Arena. I believe that one was or
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  Speaker 1: what did they play that at Walter Brown we had
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  Speaker 1: to listed as a gain. Yeah, okay, So going to
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  Speaker 1: the third period on Thursday and then BC broke it
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  Speaker 1: open with three goals in the first six minutes on
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  Speaker 1: Friday two two game late in the third and Emma
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  Speaker 1: Connor scores for a three to two lead, and the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles salt that one away to move to seven six
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  Speaker 1: and one overall and sending BU to two and ten.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked before about BU struggling. We've talked before about
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  Speaker 1: BC doing a little bit of a surprising too. I
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  Speaker 1: think were we saw both of those happen on the
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  Speaker 1: same weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one of the things that BC has
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  Speaker 2: I think struggled with over the past few seasons is
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  Speaker 2: like sort of that consistency to put up a good
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  Speaker 2: result followed up by more good results and taking advantage
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  Speaker 2: of opportunities in front of them. You know, obviously, I
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  Speaker 2: think Northeastern has really stepped it up there. They set
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  Speaker 2: up program record for consecutive wins to start their conference season.
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  Speaker 2: But BC's hanging with them, and I think, you know
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  Speaker 2: that Northeastern is doing better but isn't where they had
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  Speaker 2: been in the past few seasons. And BC is really
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  Speaker 2: consistently going out and not just win games, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: winning close games. You know, they've had some of those
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: late goals. It's just sort of all those little things
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  Speaker 2: that we kind of want to see from a team
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  Speaker 2: that that's really going to fight for that that top position.
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  Speaker 2: I just think that they're putting things together really nicely
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to like possibly having one or two good games,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. That it's really sort of building
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  Speaker 2: on each other and stringing stuff together. That's the part
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  Speaker 2: that's impressive impressing me so far this season.
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  Speaker 1: Also, a big crowd there on Friday, it was I
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: believe that BEU for for a special night there, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They set a Home and Hockey East home attendance record
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: with thirty nine, one hundred and sixty five people. The
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: previous record was set at Aganas I say it differently
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: than you, and I don't I assume you know it better,
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  Speaker 2: is it aghanis?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I don't honestly know. No, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I went from Boston will tell usons. Sure, but that
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: is eleven hundred more people that had set the record
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  Speaker 2: at this game last season. So obviously not the result
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: that be wanted, but really cool. We just don't see
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: those third of crowds at women's hockey in Boston right now.
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  Speaker 2: Just there's a lot of different things that people can
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and get themselves entertained with, and so I like seeing
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: these bigger crowds out there. The players deserve it, and uh,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe p WHL's helping that, whatever it is.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I hope we see more of these, you know, multi
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: thousand crowds out in the Boston area for these teams.
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  Speaker 1: Delaware getting its first Atlantic Hockey victory on Friday, beating
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Linden went five to three, Caitlyn fin again scoring two
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: goals there. So that's two wins now for Delaware. Every
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: every milestone, you know, means something when you're building a program,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and and so getting a first conference whin I know
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: has to be has to be big for for for Delaware.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I just think like we've seen like
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it's really hard to start from scratch, and it's like,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: you know, Saint Thomas at least was playing NCAA, Like
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: these guys weren't having weren't even doing that right, like
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: it was a club team. And so I'm just really
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: impressed with what they've been able to do in terms
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: of not just results, but sort of how they're playing
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: in games and how they're showing out in these very
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: first few games as a brand new NCAA program. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like you said that, that first conference is a big one. Also,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: they're all blue jerseys. They're like bright blue jerseys. I
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: think I said this on social like so good, such
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  Speaker 2: a good look. Uh so you know, always nice to
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  Speaker 2: look nice while you're doing it too.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Uh, Mercy Hearrison rit interesting set of results there
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  Speaker 1: one nothing for one nothing for rit on Saturday. I
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  Speaker 1: guess they were close, Yeah, Magdalena uh Logan Luggan not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Mercy Herris's goalie twenty four saves Friday. Sophia Bolina forty
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  Speaker 1: six says for RT Saturday. So that's and those are
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  Speaker 1: the teams that you were kind of in that race
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  Speaker 1: for second place. So them splitting and stay continuing to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: win means now Penn State's sixteen points clear of Mercers,
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  Speaker 1: a top Atlantic Hockey America, so that one that one
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  Speaker 1: could be over by first week in January, second week
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  Speaker 1: in January.
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  Speaker 2: It's uh yeah, I wanted to point when you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: Penn Cate before two, like, not only are they on
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: this massive win streak, like they outscored I think it
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: was what it was like fifty, I don't remember they
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: outscored the point, it's like seventeen to They had like
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: an eleven goal game this weekend, and I believe Tessagenik
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: he had won or had assists. Like it's not again,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: they're not just relying on her, like just complete dominance
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: from the Nitney Alliance. And then I'm sorry, I wanted
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to go back with our Merciers. The weird thing is
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: what we've been seeing a ton in splits is sort
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of really like opposite results like a team, I mean
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: kind of like Wisconsin this weekend too, like you win
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  Speaker 2: five to one, but then you need to win in
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: a shootout the second game. We're not seeing a lot
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of one oh one oh splits. It's been a lot more,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a lot more parody, a lot less instancy.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like looking at at Ri T and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're you know, their last couple series they lost to
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  Speaker 2: linden Wood on Halloween three nothing and then one seven
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  Speaker 2: to one the next day. Right like they lost to
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  Speaker 2: Syracuse five to two and then one four to one
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  Speaker 2: the next day. Like we're seeing these crazy switches between
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  Speaker 2: the first and second game of the series. So to
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  Speaker 2: me on one O games is actually kind of weird
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  Speaker 2: from what we've been seeing so far this season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to mention in Neuha, sant Anselm beat
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  Speaker 1: Long Island two one and eight to two to move
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  Speaker 1: eight points ahead of Assumption. Uh, so that that's actually,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you know, the the second biggest lead Penn State, obviously
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: having the big lead in Atlantic hockey. Uh, sant Ansel
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  Speaker 1: eight points in New Ha. Everything else is within a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: point and a half. Sant Ansel pushing ahead here and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: it has a big one coming up this week with
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a home and home against Assumption, who's in second, So
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that could that could really extend that or Assumption can
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: get right back in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just shout out Assumption for like solidly in
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: second place too, again just like not where we thought
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the team would be at this point. So going into
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: this season like they're they're actually think sort of massively
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: overperforming from what they've done in the past, and they're
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: doing it consistency, consistently. But yeah, sat anslom is just
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: on this like they're not splitting their series right, like
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: they're taking They're taking the points every weekend and that's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: what's made this big difference. There's been some great parody
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: on the rest of the conference where you're seeing these
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: really interesting, you know, results back and forth over a weekend,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and with st Anselm being able to take all six
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: points or most of the points every weekend, it's uh,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: that's making a huge difference for their lead conference.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that wraps up our look back at last week.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: We will have more of a look ahead at what's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: coming this upcoming weekend in a few minutes, but when
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: we come back in the next segment, I'll look at
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the first weekend of pw HL play. Stay with us
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast. Welcome back to the podcast, Todd Nicole. Here,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk some p w h L, which gets it's
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  Speaker 1: third season started on Friday with a pair of games
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  Speaker 1: Toronto at Minnesota and the expansion team Seattle at Vancouver.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw that Golden Eye logo on the center
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: ice at the Pacific Coliseum and that that looks pretty good.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Just just the logo in this in the center and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: nothing else that they did. They did pretty well, now
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: they did.
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  Speaker 2: And I have to say I had heard the name
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: ahead of time, and I wasn't so sure, but the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: logo and the messaging around it has all been really good.
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  Speaker 2: And like you said, it looks really awesome there at
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: that at center right. I mean, that's the only team
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: that has their own home mice, right that isn't sharing it,
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  Speaker 2: so pretty cool for them. Just a good step forward
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: for the league as well. And then to have it
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  Speaker 2: look so so pretty is just a sort of cherry
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  Speaker 2: on top. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So two new teams that are playing right away, I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: see Ian Vancouver making an eight team league. What kind
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of things do we need to be looking out for
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this season? As you know, the there's that means there's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: more players in the league, but there's also been more
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: players coming out of college joining the league. So we're
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: seeing some some player movement that you know, maybe is
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a little unexpected.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and also an uncontinued influx of players international players
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: coming in. So teams have until Wednesday to the nineteenth
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to finalize the rosters. They have to be at twenty three.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So teams have been sending out press releases in the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: past two days talking about, you know, sort of who
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: is no longer on the training camp roster, like where
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: they're staying, how many they have forwards, defenders, coolies. I
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: think the one that most caught my eye was Elizabeth
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Jageer being drug from the training camp roster from Ottawa,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: probably the biggest name that I've seen so far. Obviously
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: plenty of other recognizable talent as well. I saw Olivia Wallen.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that's interesting is I've
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: seen some people drop from rosters that were drafted last
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: season too, and so just not something you necessarily expect
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: or see. But there's all the players that are dropped
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: from training camp rosters will be eligible to sign for
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: other teams. That doesn't mean any of these players aren't
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: going to play this year, but yeah, it's like that's
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: a player that regularly got ice time right and spent
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of time, you know, helping out her team
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: and someone who we know is really talented, and I
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: think it was just surprising. So I think that's going
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to continue to happen. I think there's a bigger player pool,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more talent out there. I think teams
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: can be a bit more flexible on like, if this
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: isn't working, whatever it is, whether it's chemistry, whether it's handedness,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: whether it's so one not doing as well on faceoffs,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: if they'd like, there's a pretty big pool of other
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: players to try. And so I think that we're going
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: to see a bit more movement than maybe people have
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: thought about or maybe prepared for. There was, you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: so much upwar with the expanse draft and players moving
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: from where we expected them to be. I mean, I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: still am getting surprised at times when I see there's
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: been some preseason games and some social media updates and
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, right, that player is there now. So
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I think that's that's something that I think fans are
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: just going to have to continue to get used to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: until if, or until that changes, and we're just going
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to keep having an influx of talent to a limited
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: number of roster spots, you know, I.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Wondered, I guess over the last few years, not just
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: this year, but you know, what kind of is going
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to be the long term relationship between teams in North
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: America and teams in Europe because there's no real minor
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: league here, no no call up sending down, nothing like
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that in in any way that's going to get them
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: keep still playing minutes important minutes in games. I don't know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: do you have a good feeling of like what that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: is going to be looking like in coming seasons or
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: even throughout this season of what? Uh? You know, when
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: when someone loses a spot in the p WHL and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like they're going to get another one, are
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they looking to Europe? Are they?
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I mean I think so for sure, just because you
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: want to if you if your goal is to get
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: back on a roster like you have to be playing.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm not trying to love like the I don't know.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's implied even if you don't mean it
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that like sort of the other leagues are our feeder
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: leagues to the p WHL, And I don't know that
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: any of them would love being called back right like that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: They would be the minor leagues to the p dub
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: So I think there's some carefulness there, but without going
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: on too far of a tangent, like this is has
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: been an ongoing problem for the w n b A, right,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: so there is a bit of a blueprint in terms
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: of like more seasons of what does this look like
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: where there's way more talent coming in than there are
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: roster spots. And obviously the WNBA has slowly expanded, but
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: like one of the things they've dealt with is there's
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of hardship contracts and things like that because
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: they don't have this minor league system. What they're trying
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: to avoid is for you to like take a player
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and stash her on like your practice roster and not
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: let anybody else have her, but also not pay her
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and things like that. And so, like I said, I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: don't want to get too far off topic, but I
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: do for people that are interested in that, I think
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you can find a lot of writing about how the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: WNBA has navigated that, not necessarily always well, but what
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: are some of the pitfalls and the things that can
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: come up when you have this huge player pool. And
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make me wonder if we're gonna like could
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: we be talking about shifting seasons in terms of like
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: so you could play overseas and you could play here,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you know, like if there's almost like a back and forth,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: and so you can like as we were seeing from
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: w NBA players when they were going overseas or now
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: they have you know, the three on three league and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: their off season. Uh, I don't know. I don't know
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: what it's gonna look like. Obviously that all of those
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: comparisons are not direct, but I do think there are some,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: if not blueprints, some some ways to look at things
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: to be to think outside the box and look at
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: what you can do to try and retain to retain
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: that talent and make sure that there's not sort of
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the loss of players that suddenly don't have anywhere to play.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I do assume that if you're I think
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that we probably have
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to learn more about is like the fluidity of going
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: between those two leagues right like maybe intermittently to start,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and how open any of them will be, Like are
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: we gonna see like almost like two week contracts? But
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know that the SDHL is uh
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: super amenable to being tied, uh, because the conversation has
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: sort of pitted that as the lesser and I don't
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody takes kindly to that. And so yeah,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: there's a there's this whole Do I have an answer?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I'd be hopefully getting paid as a consultant
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: if I did.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it just doesn't feel like that's a real,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: like sustainable two way discussion because you've got leagues in
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Europe and Sweden specifically that I do not want to
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: be seen as second class and and and put forth
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of effort to be a top tier option.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Right like before the PWHL.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Ever showed up, right, And so yeah, I don't see
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: that just being like, oh yeah, we'll statue in Europe
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: for a while kind of arrangement.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I would also say the SHL is very focused on
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: like developing Swedish talent first. They take that pride in
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: like this is our home league, and they there are
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: rules from the federation about how many players and so
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: there's also some limits to just how many how much
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: back like how many spots over there there are for
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: for saying North American players as well, So they still
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: want to be using that is their big development tool.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: For their own international teams and programs, and so that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I think puts a little bit of a hamper on
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: any of those discussions as well.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So what players that just came out of college last
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: year should we be looking for this year? And the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: p WHLS has having a chance of you know, putting
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: on a pretty good show in the opportunities that they
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: get to play well.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're both probably a little a
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: little biased on this one, but obviously I'm a big
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: case O'Brien fan. First of all, I just think she's
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: she's super talented and we've seen, you know, sort of
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: close hand, all of the things she's all the work
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: she's put in sort of each year she picked a
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: skill and really like you know, toned it, and I
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: mean she has put in. She's a naturally talented, very
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: fastcater that also put in a lot of work to
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: like round out her game. And New York officially announced
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that she assigned a one year contract on Tuesday, So
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: that's great. And I also think that, like when he
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: saw some of the preseason games she was playing, even
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: though she wasn't yet officially contracted or at least had
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: been announced, she and Sarah Filiate and Culti Cultonkova basically
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: ran the show like that is a three headed monster
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that all can do a lot of really good stuff.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Can you know, have power from distance, can put handle
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: really well, can win face offs, can go on breakaways,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and so I think Culti and that was such a
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: master move from the Sirens at that draft to get
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: both those two players to make that trade and get
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: that that I can't imagine that. That's not like those
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: two aren't the two that we're gonna be talking about
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and seeing and then you sort of like install them
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: online with Sarahffiliated, It's like, well, that's seems a little
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: unfair to everybody else. But of course New York's had
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: a great roster for two seasons and not produced. So
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I think there's always that I am yet to go
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: all in on the Sirens until I see them, Like
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: at this point, any Sirens fan is a little burnt
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: for the last two seasons and worrying but not answering
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Rocky question. But the other line that I saw during
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: creaseson was Abby rock in Montreal, which everyone needs to
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: remember that's where she is now. But she was on
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a line with Laura Cec and Pulan and that is
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of not just hockey skill, but a lot
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of like spatial and and like with the the rules
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: in the PWHL with more contact, like those are all
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: like really heavy players that really fight for space on
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the Yeah, like you're not knocking any of them on
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: their butt real easy. So that is a bit of
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a I mean, I don't want to imply that there
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: is not also skill and like grace, but there's a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: bit of a like cannon ball bullet at China Shop.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: It is to that and like the best possible way
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: to that line as well, like they are, I would
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: not want to be standing between them and what they
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: want to be doing. And any one of the three
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of them can do something magical with the puck to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: put it in the back of the net, which that's
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: another It's another line that if that's what they stick with,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: is going to cause a lot of problems. And it's
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: not as though Montreal has struggled with offense in the
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: past few seasons.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, New York and Ottawa open in Ottawa on Saturday
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: nights Sunday afternoon. Montreal is at Boston. You can find
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: where these games are on TV or streaming on the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: PWHL website. They've done a pretty good job of giving
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: where all the opportunities, all the the regional carriers that
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: are going to be having those games, where you can
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: find those are available on their website.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I noted for US, we sometimes hear in Wisconsin
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: get Frost games either on the regional network or on
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: their alternate station, but it seemed to be kind of
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: hit and miss. I never knew when that was going
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: to be the case, and so again obviously just talking
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: from experience, but looking at the schedules this year, there's
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a lot more information there about like what secondary or
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: alternate channels or regional networks might be showing it. I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: saw my Facts nine or my Fox nine plus is
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: going to show more of the Minnesota games, which is
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: cool too, but also in the US, like it's always
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: going to be on YouTube and it's always going to
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: be on PWHL dot com. So it's probably a little
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: concerning that we're in the third season and not talking
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: about a national broadcast for the PWHL. You and I
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: were talking, you know, before we started recording. With the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: return of the NPS NBC Sports Network, could we see
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: something tied into the Olympics and raised interest there. We
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: don't know, puer speculation, but you know, things like that
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: make you wonder. But also, all the games are available
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: free on YouTube, and that I think makes me less
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: worried about that broadcast. I mean, I think we want
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: them to get the money from broadcasting a lot of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, But in terms of like accessibility,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: like the games are super easy to see, and.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: That YouTube really hits the demographic that they're looking for
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: right where they are, but is not the most lucrative, right, Like,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you're not not the highest dollar figure platform.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, both things are true, right.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Like, Oh yeah, that's that's part of having you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: an emerging league and emerging platform and a very.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Busy sports season. Yes, yeah, like there's just a lot
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: going on, like football is still happening, and yeah, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: like there's just there's so many things on on any
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: given weekend that I can imagine that it's difficult to
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: find that. But I also don't think that let's anyone
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: off the hook. I do think that needs to be
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the top priorities. Oh, we should
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: talk about there were two rules changes as well. They
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: took away coaches challenges, which is super interesting. Interesting there
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: was on Tuesday that I haven't yet listened to, which
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming we'll hear more about it from that. I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: apologize for talking over you, but yeah, the coaches challenge
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: thing is fascinating, right.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: It if if it's meant to take it all and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: put it all in the hands of a review center,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I get that, but they've got to be tasked and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you know, confident enough to say we're stepping in whenever
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: we need to step in.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: And has not been consistent in the link for two years,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Like it's probably been the biggest talking point, the inconsistency,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: mostly because these are not refs employed specifically by the league.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: These are officials that work a ton of different places.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: They tried to track I remember the first year. I
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: mean there were so many officials that did one or
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: two games all season, Like it's really hard to get
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: used to the rules and knowing how to call it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, heck, we're seeing we see bad officiating in
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: college from the same officials we've been watching for twenty years,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: so I can only imagine. But you know, it wasn't
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: set up for them to succeed. So now changing this
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: in a situation where we know the officials. I mean
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: they also created an officials task for us. Who knows
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: if that means anything worthwhile, But yeah, I don't love
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: it in terms of that, like knowing how bad the
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: officiating has been by bad I meaning consistent.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that is a I'm torn a lot
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: between the you know, the intent of replay is to
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: reverse obvious mistakes.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It's twenty minutes looking at an iPad on a folding table.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Well, not to litigate someone's toe being over a line
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: or you know, on an offside. I have the biggest
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: problem with offside challenges, and so seeing those go away,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not upset about that. Yeah, I understand there's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a there's a possibility that you uh uh, you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: officialized missed an obvious It feels like you went.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: From feast to famine, Like is there no middle ground?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Like I yeah, I don't know. I can't imagine. I
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: imagine the conversations and that were super interesting, and uh.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I think it will be one of those where I
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: guess we'll have to wait and see how that plays out.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: But as you said, sort of entrusting it entrusting it
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to a center group means that that center group has
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: to be willing to step in and make the calls.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm guessing part of this conversation is to speed
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: up the games and stop all the challenges. But like,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: does that mean that the people and send the central
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: are gonna like way you were about, like, is this
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: a thing? We're stopping the game? You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: it feels like there need to be some sort of
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: more hard and fast rules, which at least there were
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: for coaches.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: So and I'm I'm much more I'm much more in
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: favor of the NHL way of doing things with coaches
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: challenges than the college way where in college you if
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you have a timeout and you challenge, and you the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: call isn't reversed, you just lose the time out. In
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the NHL, any challenge that isn't appell or that it
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: does not result in a reversal is a minor penalty.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And I think that that puts enough on the line
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: too to slow a lot of the Wow, let's just
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: challenge because we can, uh so that we see in yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: which yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: If you had already used your time out, you would
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: get a penalty in college, but that we haven't really
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: seen that come up too much. I don't see a
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: ton of usage of timeouts except for towards the end
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: of a game when we're you know, trying to double
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: double shift and things like that. So yeah, interesting for sure.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: That's a wait and see, I think, but certainly something
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to watch for. The other was about mandatory third goalie
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: that can be dressed if someone gets injured, which frankly
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: just only makes sense. So that one both pretty low
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: stakes overall. I mean, I think it has a big impact,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: but I think everybody looked at that one. Yeah, of course,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: but the coaches challenged things certainly raise the eyebrows, and
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: we'll be something I think we'll talk about as the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: season goes on.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Okay, when we come back, we'll talk about
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: what is ahead this week in NCAA Women's hockey. Stay
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: with us on the podcast. We're back with podcast Todd
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Nicole here to wrap things up this week with a
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: look at what we've got coming up in This week's
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: schedule starts with a Thursday night game Saint Thomas at Wisconsin.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But before we get to that, I want to get
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: there's a top five series Friday and Sat. Day Number
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: three Ohio State at number five Minnesota Duluth. Uh that
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: is uh just looking at players on both sides with
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of incredible goaltending. We've seen a lot of
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: uh frankly amazing goal stats being put up on both
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: sides at certain times of the year. This this one
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: could be dynamite between these two teams.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Not only that, but had a really good series between
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: these two teams last season. They were pretty evenly matched
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: and so didn't U m D go in there to
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: start the year and get the couple of wins so
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: they did. Yeah, just sort of a lot of history.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna my bold prediction for this is the the
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Jersey Saint Martin revenge game. I feel like she's gonna
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: she's gonna want to show out a little bit against
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Ohio State here. Yeah, like you said, there's just so
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: many things to like about how the gonna match up
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and probably one of the tougher tests for Minnesota Duluth.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: So love to see how because so much of what's
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: been great about that team has been some of the
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: younger players. That's not to say the veterans haven't been
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: holding it down. But you know, how do how does
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Gascone and Caitlin Kramer and all the rookies, how do
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: they all do in this series? You know, like that
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: that first one the first week of less year doesn't
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: not great in terms of telling us how how things
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: are going to be handled. And you know that was
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: sort of Creamer's introduction and she played really well. But
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: now with all that extra experience, that's the sort of
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: stuff I'll be looking at. And obviously Ohio State rookies
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: have been some of the best in the country, so
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see if we're looking at what
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the rookies you are if it's the veterans that they carry.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: The day, you know, yeah, absolutely, Saint Thomas at Wisconsin,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I did mention this is Wisconsin that, like we talked
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: about before, may have a little bit of a chip
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: on their shoulder, probably had a a interesting week of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: practice after talking leads correct, losing those leads at Saint
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Cloud last Saturday. I'm interested to see how that team
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: looks when they come out of the tunnel on Thursday night.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Also just that it's a Thursday Friday series and like
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Mark Johnson does not love when his schedule is different
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: than but that just changes all the prep, right, Like
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: you're talking about coming they were on the road coming back,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and how like if you're there's stuff you want to
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: work on and it's a short week and all that
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff. So that plays into all of it
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: as well. And you know, I think this is one
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: of Saint Thomas's opportunities to really show that what they've
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: done so far this season can be manifested in games
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: like this. And they've played well and gotten results about
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: against some of the other top WHA teams, but generally
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: haven't done that as much against Wisconsin. So I think
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: for them it's a big opportunity to show who they
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: are and what they're capable as well as well. I
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: think for them that's something that's gonna stick in the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: back of their head that that this is sort of
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: one more giant that they're they're looking to slay a
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: little bit, right.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Mark Johnson there a minute ago. Mark Johnson
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: got a contract extension recently in the rays of a
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: nearly one hundred thousand dollars, so he's he's the already
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: was the highest paid coach as far as we know
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: in terms of the contracts that are available, but it's
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: hard to imagine him not being the highest paid coach
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: in the country right now now up to five hundred
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars a year, which is you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: more on par quite a bit else is making.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a twofold because it's you know, generally sucks
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: how little women's coaches get paid, and that you know
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: he it does generally, not that he does not just
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: of it, but I want all of the coaches to have,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: you know, while paying jobs and also to be closer
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to making what their counterparts coaching men's teams are. This
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: brings Mark modern. I mean, it's still not going to
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: be closed, but like this brings Mark more in par
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and like what what coaches of men teams are making
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: some coaches and men's teams are making, and I'd like
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: to see that for more. So I you know, he
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: was already making six figures more than others, So I
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: can't say that I feel like this is gonna like
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: maybe booster or make other teams like be paying their
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: coaches more. I'm not sure that that's the case. I
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: would like for that to be the case, but also
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: like good for Mark and I guess, uh, it's hard
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: to praise the Wisconsin Athletic Department, but good on them
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: for for you know, rewarding what he continues to do
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: with this program.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: It does speak to the difference in resources between sure.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I mean just that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: His is probably bigger than several salaries.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: It is, and it's the median of the eleven schools
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: we were able to get when I when I did
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: this research on it was going back into the summer.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: So I did this research over the you know, for
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: last years eleven uh coaches whose contracts we could get
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: because they're at public universities or not named Penn State.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: The median was somewhere, I believe it right around one
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand. So uh, yeah, now that that's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Mark Johnson's The media is better.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: So I hope that helps people negotiate.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Well, you make the average better. Yeah, the media is
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: actually who Obviously it has now moved on to the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: p WHL, so I don't actually know what it would.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I'll be getting those numbers eventually, yeah, I'm sure.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: So I hope that at least they can point to
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: an average and help in negotiating for other coaches.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: De uh E C A C. This week, Clarkson we
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: mentioned before, got back on track with a big win
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: against Saint Lawrence and this week hosting number twelve Brown
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: and number fourteen Yale, we've seen where you know, Yale
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: obviously had had some difficulty last weekend with Harvard. Brown's
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: been on a you know it has shown some pretty
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: good signs.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm true what to know about Yale at this
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not sure what to think.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, let's see Clarkson against these two teams and
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll know a little bit more about what what
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: the see what we're going to see the rest of
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brown plays a slightly unique style to some of
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: the other teams that Clarkson Hans beat, and they're just
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more speed and fast break and a
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: little bit different style than some of the other teams.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: And so I think that could just be an interesting
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: matchup And how both of those teams handle the other
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: I think could probably tell us a lot about things
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: going forward. So less the score line and more how
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: does Clerks and handle you know, sort of the speed
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and the style play for Brown, and if the defense
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: does do really well again, how does Browns often to adapt?
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: So those are sort of the details that I'll be
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: watching for those games.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, New Hall leaders Saint Anselm against second place Assumption
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: in a home and home series Friday and Saturday. We
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: mentioned that before, but this is a an opportunity for
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Saint Anselm to really take a firm grip on first place.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Not that they don't have it already up eight points,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: but they even more so kind of says it's it's
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be tough to pull back and pull ahead of Hard.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: To say this before Thanksgiving, but it does feel like
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Assumption has to take some points here for this to
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: be like this is a big marker for them. If
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: they take no points this weekend, I feel like you
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: kind of have to take them out of serious running
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: for at least unlessen things treating drastically. It's real early
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: to be saying that, but Saint Anselm's lead is such
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: that I think unless they get slowed down a little
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: here by the team closest to them, I can't imagine
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: there will be an opportunity to make up that kind
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: of ground.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Anything else you're looking forward to this week, A lot
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: of stuff going on between college and.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: P w H there will be several screens happening in
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: my living or no, I'm thrilled for the PWHL to
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: be starting it does you know it gets a little overwhelming,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and from a journalist's side, to try and cover it all,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: it's die on impossible. But you know, I'm always happy
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: for more hockey, and there's just so many things that
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: have changed in the pub from rosters and the new
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: teams and all that sort of stuff. So I'm I'm
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: just typed to see all of that, and I love
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: how much I'm excited for this weekend. But I love
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: how much the peed dub plays during the week. I
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: think there's probably some argument in terms of like how
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: that affects it like in house attendance, but it's really nice,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: like for several nights a week to just be able
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: to turn on free YouTube top tier women's hockey at
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: pretty much any given moment. And so I will not
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: lie about that. That's that's my probably my favorite part
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: of the league. I'd be sad if they move truly
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: to only weekend games, but yeah, I the idea that
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I can sit down this weekend and just disappear watching
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: a bunch of hockey will be pretty awesome, and it
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: helps that Wisconsin series being like the I always have
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: to get decide between going to Madison to watch the
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: games in person or to stay home because being outside
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: of Madison, Like if I go to a game, that's
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the whole day and I'm not watching a ton of
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: other hockey, so that there's day st Thomas means I
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: get to go watch that really hold this weekend watching
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  Speaker 2: everything else, which will be nice, right all right.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy watching the hockey, whichever game or
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: games they happen to be this weekend, and thanks for
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: joining us on the podcast. For Nicole on Todd, we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk to you next week