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252. Jaycee Gossett, VP Of Training & Development At The Class · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: It's going to be very uncomfortable before it shifts. There
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  Speaker 1: is no transformation or change or alchemy without pressure, compression,
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  Speaker 1: sheet confrontation. That's all necessary. There's no skipping the line
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  Speaker 1: or magic bullet.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? Everyone, Emily A body here.
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  Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and fifty two
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  Speaker 3: of Hurdle, a.
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  Speaker 2: Wellness focused podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts
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  Speaker 3: and industry CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments, and
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  Speaker 3: everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,
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  Speaker 3: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you
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  Speaker 3: to better navigate yours and move with intention so that
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  Speaker 3: you can stride towards your own big potential and of
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  Speaker 3: course have some fun along the way. For episode two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two, today, I am sitting down with
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  Speaker 3: Jace Gossip. She is a founding teacher as well as
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  Speaker 3: vice president of training and development at the class. I
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  Speaker 3: know I talked to you all a bunch about the
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  Speaker 3: class over the last couple of years, and so it
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  Speaker 3: was my honor and privilege after taking Jac's class the
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  Speaker 3: last time I was in Los Angeles to ask her
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  Speaker 3: to be on the show and truly what.
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  Speaker 2: A special special conversation this is.
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  Speaker 3: Jace is a beam of light, and she talks about
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  Speaker 3: how taking the class back in twenty thirteen changed the
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  Speaker 3: entire trajectory of her life. She talks about how she
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  Speaker 3: made the choice to join the team at the class,
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  Speaker 3: what it was like for her teaching her first few sessions,
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  Speaker 3: and when she knew that this was going to be
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  Speaker 3: a true career choice for her. In today's episode, jac
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  Speaker 3: talks a lot about her more recent decision to move
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  Speaker 3: out to Los Angeles and the difficult circumstances that had
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  Speaker 3: a part to play in that role, including her fertility struggles.
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  Speaker 3: Jace is so open and honest about the challenges that
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  Speaker 3: she has faced on her own journey. I'm so appreciative
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  Speaker 3: of that, and I know that her openness is without
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  Speaker 3: a doubt, really going to help others who have experienced
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  Speaker 3: or are currently experiencing fertility hurdles of their own. This
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  Speaker 3: episode is packed with themes of resilience and so many
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  Speaker 3: helpful takeaways on exactly how to show up during life's
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  Speaker 3: most challenging moments, life's biggest hurdles.
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  Speaker 2: Jac, thank you seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Make sure you're following along with Hurdle over on social
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  Speaker 3: It's at Hurdle Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You know me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily a body, and I would love
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  Speaker 3: to ask this community to do me a favor. My
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  Speaker 3: birthday is coming up in a couple of weeks and
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  Speaker 3: for my birthday, I want to answer thirty five listener
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  Speaker 3: questions for thirty five years. And in order to do that,
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  Speaker 3: I need your listener questions. So click on over to
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  Speaker 3: the show notes. In there there is an opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: you to leave me a voice message. Do it and
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  Speaker 3: help me celebrate my birthday and style by giving back
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  Speaker 3: to this community again. The link to leave me a
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  Speaker 3: voice message and ask me a question whatever you want
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  Speaker 3: is in the show notes. And with that, let's get
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  Speaker 3: to it. Let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 2: Today.
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  Speaker 3: I am sitting down with JC Gossett. She is the
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  Speaker 3: vice president of training and development for the class.
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  Speaker 2: How are you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so well, Emily, so happy to be here with you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like the Hurdle Podcast, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Such a fan of everything you do and who you
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  Speaker 2: are and what you stand for. So I'm nervous to
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  Speaker 2: talk to you. I hope I say good things.
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  Speaker 3: I see what you're doing here. You're trying to flatter me,
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  Speaker 3: so I go easy on you. Well, fun fact for
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  Speaker 3: the hurdlers listening, and a lot of you have come
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  Speaker 3: on board since this time. But Jac's husband, Adam was
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  Speaker 3: episode six of Hurdle Podcasts and Jace's episode will be
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  Speaker 3: episode two.
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  Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty two. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's only numbered episodes, so those are Mondays.
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  Speaker 3: And then there are also episodes that happen now these
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  Speaker 3: days on Wednesdays and on Fridays, so there are I
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  Speaker 3: think over six hundred episodes in the catalog right now.
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  Speaker 2: But Adam was episode six. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: So this is kind of a full circle fun moment
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  Speaker 1: for me. Wow, he was at the very beginning. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: you've done a lot. How many years is that? With
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  Speaker 1: all of those we are five years in.
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  Speaker 3: Congrats, thanks man, congrats Toe you and I mean so
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  Speaker 3: much has obviously happened, not just for the show but
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  Speaker 3: also in the evolution of your relationship. We're sitting here
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  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we moved.
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  Speaker 1: We moved a year ago from New York out tore
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  Speaker 1: out here to LA.
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  Speaker 2: We live in Venice.
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  Speaker 1: We opened our LA flagship studio in the fall and
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  Speaker 1: that's been really exciting and was such a blessing to
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  Speaker 1: start this next chapter, both of our relationship together in
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, because Adam is from here and feels very
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  Speaker 1: connected to LA, the LA community, the sobriety community that's here,
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  Speaker 1: so and he loves to surf, and so I feel
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  Speaker 1: for us it is coming kind of full circle too.
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  Speaker 2: It's so perfect.
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  Speaker 3: And for those that don't know, And if you are Hurtler,
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  Speaker 3: you've heard me talk about the class before, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure the way that I talk about the class is
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  Speaker 3: very different then the way jac is about to describe
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  Speaker 3: the class. Obviously we'll get into knowing you specifically, but
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  Speaker 3: let's just give some contacts. Someone asks you about what
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  Speaker 3: is the class or what do you talk about?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And I love everyone's each interpretation of it because
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  Speaker 1: it is so personal. And some people will be like,
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  Speaker 1: it's a spiritual car wash for your body. It is spiritual.
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  Speaker 1: It's a spiritual boot camp. It's I can't explain it,
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  Speaker 1: you just have to do it. It's where you scream
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  Speaker 1: and cry like I've heard all of the different ways
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  Speaker 1: to describe it and what sums it up for me?
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  Speaker 1: And I'll talk about it from different angles is it
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  Speaker 1: is such a personal experience and the method meets you
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  Speaker 1: where you're at and where you're showing up. How I
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  Speaker 1: like to talk about it from different angles is it
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  Speaker 1: is an opportunity for you to come back to yourself physically, mentally, emotionally,
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  Speaker 1: and spiritually. It is a dynamic, moving meditation. It is
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  Speaker 1: physical fitness as well as it is energetic, emotional and
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  Speaker 1: spiritual healing.
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  Speaker 2: It's freedom, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Fitness and self regulation tools in one. It's the practice
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  Speaker 1: of life. How to boil all that down to the
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  Speaker 1: people that are like, but what are you doing? Because
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  Speaker 1: that's the question. We get a lot, but like, what
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  Speaker 1: exactly are you doing? Right? So, what we're doing with
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  Speaker 1: the body are things that probably people have seen before
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  Speaker 1: or know from physical fitness. We're doing squads, jumping jacks,
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  Speaker 1: We're doing sculpting exercises, cardiovascular flushes, not crazy choreography. We're
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  Speaker 1: not using any props with the original signature class. But
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  Speaker 1: the movements that we will do are the doorway into
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  Speaker 1: exploring your internal world energetically, emotionally, and spiritually. So once
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  Speaker 1: we get the body in motion via the physical fitness,
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  Speaker 1: we get to witness our own thoughts, tune into the
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  Speaker 1: sensations going on in our body, and then use it
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  Speaker 1: as a processing tool to take all of the things
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  Speaker 1: we all have going on in our life and give
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  Speaker 1: it somewhere to go, so that not only are you
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  Speaker 1: working your body physically in a way that's really great
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  Speaker 1: for your health, you're leaving with this cathartic release of
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  Speaker 1: processing strong emotions and having a better understanding of your thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: the things that run run your life, and somewhere to
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  Speaker 1: actually put it. Because when I got into movement, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know where to put my stuff. I knew that
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  Speaker 1: I could, like go to the gym.
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  Speaker 2: I was a.
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  Speaker 1: Dancer, but I didn't know what to do with what
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  Speaker 1: I was feeling and what I was thinking and where
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  Speaker 1: to put it. So my coping mechanism was to repress
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  Speaker 1: and hold. So when I found the class, I was like, Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I can bring my stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I have somewhere to take the feelings, take the experience,
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  Speaker 1: take the things going through my mind, and not only
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  Speaker 1: can I process them here, they're welcomed and they're invited
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  Speaker 1: without judgment.
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  Speaker 3: And how long have you been teaching at the class?
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  Speaker 1: I taught my first class in twenty fourteen, and I
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  Speaker 1: took my first class with Tarin in twenty five thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so this is a ten year journey. Do you
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  Speaker 3: remember if you walked out of the class in twenty
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  Speaker 3: thirteen and someone asked you how to describe it?
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  Speaker 2: What would you have said?
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 1: My thought coming out of that class was this is
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  Speaker 1: going to shift the way we approach working out. Was
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  Speaker 1: what was my hit? I was like, this is this
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  Speaker 1: is going to change everything. And it's a combination of
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  Speaker 1: so many different healing modalities in one and I was
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  Speaker 1: like tearing to me, He's a fucking genius.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm going to tell you how I described
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  Speaker 3: the class.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I literally just in a lunch meeting said that if
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  Speaker 3: Carrie Bradshaw Insex and the City like went to go
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  Speaker 3: do a workout, she would have one hundred percent gone
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  Speaker 3: to take the class because it is just so purely
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  Speaker 3: Tribeca mom, New York, Like, it is an arrangement of
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  Speaker 3: just things that you do not get in any other room.
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  Speaker 3: And then if I had to describe it from a
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  Speaker 3: physical standpoint, because you said, but what do you actually do?
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  Speaker 3: I would say it is a series of either sculpting
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  Speaker 3: or pilates inspired movements, perhaps combined with cardio, and you
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  Speaker 3: do each move for an entire song to fatigue the
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  Speaker 3: muscle but also strengthen your will because by doing the
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  Speaker 3: same movement for the duration of two to three minutes,
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  Speaker 3: you get to a point where you inevitably want to
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  Speaker 3: break down, and you learn throughout the duration of the
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  Speaker 3: class how to push past a place where you didn't
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  Speaker 3: feel like you were capable of pushing past. That's what
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  Speaker 3: I would say, OK, I love the carry Bradshaw reference
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  Speaker 3: because it is also fabulous.
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  Speaker 2: The class is fabulous.
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  Speaker 3: It's so fabulous. It's so fabulous. So it's just it's
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  Speaker 3: so funny. Also because I can definitely relate with you
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  Speaker 3: on the This brings out the emotions and releases my
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  Speaker 3: energy in a way that I didn't necessarily feel safe
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  Speaker 3: too or capable of in other ways, like when are
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  Speaker 3: you in a space and even in your own apartment,
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  Speaker 3: like I know for me living in New York City,
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  Speaker 3: Like if you scream in your own apartment, it's still
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  Speaker 3: like there are people near you. So there you get
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  Speaker 3: to a place where you're like, where do you go
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  Speaker 3: to a place that you feel like you have the
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  Speaker 3: agency to let go in that way, and this is
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  Speaker 3: a place where you have that agency, which is why
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  Speaker 3: for me, from that emotional POV, I really leaned into
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  Speaker 3: the class the most during the pandemic. Definitely Yeah from home, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: which was very different, Yes, very different, very different. I
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  Speaker 3: think a lot of us didn't.
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  Speaker 1: And for us too as teachers, the class has always
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  Speaker 1: been medicine that we take for ourselves as well, and
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  Speaker 1: teaching also gives us that space where we're able to
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  Speaker 1: nurture ourselves as well. But I know for all of us,
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  Speaker 1: we were just so grateful that it existed and we
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  Speaker 1: had a space to come and it did give me
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  Speaker 1: a different perspective of what a safe space is and
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  Speaker 1: a safer space is, and how to hold space in
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  Speaker 1: that way so that people do feel comfortable to really
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  Speaker 1: let it, let it go.
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  Speaker 3: Bring me to JC in twenty thirteen, Yes, describe her
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  Speaker 3: for me.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh jac in twenty thirteen was coming off of a
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  Speaker 1: project that she worked on for the Travel Channel called
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  Speaker 1: Dance the World. At that point in my life, dance
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  Speaker 1: was was my dance was always my first love, and
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  Speaker 1: then eventually I got into competitive ballroom dance and that
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  Speaker 1: became my big love, and I had previously worked in
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  Speaker 1: commercials and hosting on TV, and when I was much younger,
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  Speaker 1: was working in commercial modeling and things like that. And
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  Speaker 1: I had this big passion through travel to bring a
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  Speaker 1: show to the world that could use dance as universal
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  Speaker 1: language to experience different cultures, but also from a place
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  Speaker 1: of deeper connection. So I was just coming off of
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  Speaker 1: filming that and putting that out into the world and
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  Speaker 1: reconnected with Tarin, and the corporate executive that had signed
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  Speaker 1: off on my deal was replaced by somebody else, and
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  Speaker 1: that new person didn't like the idea anymore. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: the industry is the industry, and I was in that
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  Speaker 1: place of now, what is the next thing for me
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  Speaker 1: to hook into? And I was like many people juggling
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of different things, working here, working there, teaching
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  Speaker 1: myself to make all the things work.
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  Speaker 2: So I knew I.
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  Speaker 1: Was searching and seeking and thirsty for something to hook into.
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  Speaker 1: So I see myself in that seeker searching space in
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and filtering through all of my previous experiences
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  Speaker 1: with movement and travel and healing, specifically because when I
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  Speaker 1: was in the world of competition dance as much as
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  Speaker 1: I loved it when I was a commercial.
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  Speaker 2: Model and doing hosting.
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  Speaker 1: The emphasis is on the performance, and I knew that
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to come back into a place of healing,
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  Speaker 1: and not just for myself but for whoever my students
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  Speaker 1: were or whatever I was going to offer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you felt called to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was kind of like straddling the how
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  Speaker 1: are we in this industry that's forward facing, that isn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily valued solely from the forward facing and be in
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  Speaker 1: it from a place of healing.
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  Speaker 2: But it didn't know what that was going to be.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So then when you come back around and reconnect
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  Speaker 3: with Taren, how does that conversation go.
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  Speaker 1: I run into a mutual friend of ours on the
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  Speaker 1: street in twenty thirteen in New York City. That's like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Terreen's doing this thing. Have you heard about No, here's
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  Speaker 1: the here's the here's the information on it. You should
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  Speaker 1: reach out to her. I reach out to Taran. I
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  Speaker 1: see what you're doing. It looks amazing. I would love
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  Speaker 1: to come. She says, great, I'm sold out for the
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  Speaker 1: next two weeks or something like that. And at that
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  Speaker 1: point I'm like, what is she talking about? What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean, she's sold out, you know. I never wasn't,
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  Speaker 1: but just kind of thing wasn't on my radar. So
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  Speaker 1: she had a late cancel. She told me to come.
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  Speaker 1: She says, don't be late. You don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: the miss. The beginning, I come into a very buzzy,
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  Speaker 1: busy child dance studio in Tribeca with two two's everywhere
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  Speaker 1: and Barbie dolls on the wall and like capes and
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  Speaker 1: ribbons and little kids running around, and then this one
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  Speaker 1: room of about thirty eight to forty women that were buzzing,
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  Speaker 1: and it was definitely a vibe and the group of
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  Speaker 1: women were powerful and strong, and I was intimid I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what is this, What's about to happen? But
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  Speaker 1: at that point Natalie was there. I took my first
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  Speaker 1: class blown away in the first few seconds, like.
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  Speaker 2: Just blown away, and all.
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  Speaker 1: I knew was that there was something here for me,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to just keep coming back. I just
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what was. I was like, I want to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of this and I want to keep coming.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know what that is. So very quickly
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  Speaker 1: it turned to Natalie and I setting up Terence's classes,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like being her assistant, wiping down the mats,
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  Speaker 1: checking people in, helping carry the towels, rolling the mats
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  Speaker 1: down the street, all all of that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 1: for maybe a couple of weeks until Taran said, well,
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  Speaker 1: would you ever think about teaching this? At that point,
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  Speaker 1: so many things were happening for her, she needed support.
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  Speaker 1: She's was like, I have to go do this thing.
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  Speaker 1: Could you sub the class? And that was terrifying. I
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  Speaker 1: said no, it's like you're out.
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  Speaker 2: Of your mind. There's no way I can do this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know how you are doing this. And
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  Speaker 2: it's also called the class with tearing. To me, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's gonna fly.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, a couple months not even Yeah, a couple
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  Speaker 1: months later, I taught my first class.
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  Speaker 3: And because there was no at this point formal training program,
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  Speaker 3: what did you getting onboarded to be able to stand
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  Speaker 3: in front of the class look.
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  Speaker 2: Like it looked like having Terran download.
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  Speaker 1: What was going on in her head and what it
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  Speaker 1: was at the moment that at that point where I
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  Speaker 1: was entering, like she was like Yoda and I was
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  Speaker 1: coming in fresh off the boat of like I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Her approach to it.
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  Speaker 1: At that point had was so advanced that I just
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  Speaker 1: was struggling to learn the language. And Natalie and I
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  Speaker 1: would take her class and really try to focus in
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  Speaker 1: class what she was doing, and then afterwards sit with
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  Speaker 1: these sticky notes and say, Okay, she did this, and
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  Speaker 1: then she did that, and then this went into this
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  Speaker 1: and try to reverse engineer it as well as getting
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  Speaker 1: her downloads. But like with anything, you can get the
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  Speaker 1: guidebook and the map, and you can get all the downloads,
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  Speaker 1: but then it really comes from you doing it. You
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  Speaker 1: can study all you want and witness it and watch
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  Speaker 1: it and take notes, but the muscle that needed to
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  Speaker 1: be worked for us, and I think this applies to
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different aspects of life specifically also for
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  Speaker 1: the teachers of the class, is you get it by
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  Speaker 1: doing it, and the more you do it, the more
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  Speaker 1: you get it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I'm sure the more that you do it,
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  Speaker 3: the more impactful it is on you as well. As
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  Speaker 3: you said at the top of this, the class really
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  Speaker 3: being an opportunity for you to work through your shit
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: as you're helping other people work through theirs.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And when we started doing a more formal teacher
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: training and I stepped into my role of training. How
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I describe it to the trade needs is whatever's going
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: on for you on the map as a student, when
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you step on to the co facilitator MAD or the
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: teacher met, it supersizes it by one hundred percent. So
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: now's the time to start going through your own stuff
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and get a good handle on your own practice, because
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: when you're standing there, it just magnifies it by a million.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: For someone who is listening to this and is still
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: trying to grasp and understanding of kind of maybe some
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: of the language or the practices or perhaps the things
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: that you're saying in class, can you maybe try to
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: paint a little bit tougher picture for that totally.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: So the somatic aspect of the class is helping people
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: tune in to their body and practice embodiment. So a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: lot of the cues that we're going to be giving
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: in class are to help the student guide themselves via
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: our cues into their own experience that is beyond just
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the mind. So we'll talk a lot about sensations, we'll
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: talk talk a lot about yes, activation of the muscles,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: But the guidance is not imposing the practice on anyone
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: or telling anybody what it should be, but a map
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: for the students to be led into their body so
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that they can use the content.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Of their life in the class.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Specifically, what is happening for them, what's going on in
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: your life, what's going on in your relationships, your career,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: your own mind, your own health, Where is that stored?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And then how can we use the movements and the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: tools of vocal release and breath with the music as
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: well to open those pockets of whatever is repressed, unexpressed
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: hidden in the blind spot that could.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Be aired out.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget when I had Natalie on the show,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and I'll link to that episode in the show notes.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: But she said something that I go back to all
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: of the time, and she said, how does a muscle
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: strengthen you give it something to push up against? And
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: then she said, how does your will strengthen? You give
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: it something to push up against? And I think that's
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: really a holistic example perhaps of some of the language
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: that's used in this room.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: It's really empowering.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: And also I would argue triggering inquisition into what's actually
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: happening within you so that you can come to terms
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: kind of like we were saying before like you show
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: up in the front of the class and the facilitator
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: spot and this gets magnified, so to trigger you to
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: have a full understanding of what's happening within you and
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: then allowing you to process that away totally.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I'll say it sometimes in class that this is the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: simulation experience. So it's like NASA is not just going
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to put you in a spaceship or a space rocket
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and that's your first experience of going into space. You're
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: going through the simulator. You're going in the underwater thing.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: They're turning you around in the G force. So we
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: get to do that in class. We get to shake
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: it up and stir it up and simulate it in
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a safe and healthy way, so you know what is
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: going on for you, because that is the stuff, like
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you're saying, in this intentional triggering, that is going to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: come up in any big life event or that just
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the daily of what life brings for each of us
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: as individuals.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: That is the stuff that's going to get kicked up.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: So if we're just waiting for the moment where something
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: happens on the news, a pandemic happens, we change relationships,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: we move, we make a big life change. We experience loss,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: there's no time to practice it. You're practicing it in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the real live. So for us, it's like, why wait
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: until you're in that moment that potentially could be crisis,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: which is where the resilience comes in.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: The resilience is not.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Let me just put a bubble wrap around myself and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: no bad shit is going to ever.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Happen to me.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Ever again, I'm going to block out the bad vibes.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I'm going to never date toxic people. I'm gonna only
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: surround myself with positive. This it's not attainable, nor is
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: it real. So can we work with the challenge? Can
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: we experience all of the stuff that we have accumulated
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: in this lifetime? And if you believe in multiple lifetimes,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: multiple lifetimes, so that when it actually is happening and
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: you're sitting on the receiving end of some really difficult
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: news or you have to make a really difficult life decision,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you have more awareness about what you're bringing to it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, exactly. So, speaking of awareness of what you're
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: bringing to it, what did you enter your time teaching
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: at the class with oh.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So much, so much.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I my early environment came from a big family. There
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: was five boys in me and my family, and there
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of education maybe around communication or expression
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: in things like this, and I found movement as a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: healing salve for me to work out what I was
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: feeling because I didn't know how to articulate it. Articulating
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: it was always more of a challenge for me. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: then I love dance because I just used my body.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So when I came to the class, I had to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: put it together. I was like, Oh, I can't. This
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: is a This is not a I do it in
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: you mirror. This is not just I'm doing the moves
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and you're following along. I have to learn how to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: articulate my experience the experience and help guide you through
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: my articulation and my energy into your experience.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: So it was like.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Learning connecting these dots of how do I describe what
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: any of this is? How do I talk about it
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in myself? And that imposter syndrome that flares for me
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: every now and again. And at that time, when I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: think about twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, was I pieced a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: lot of my stuff together like many other people do, right,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't follow a traditional p I didn't graduate from
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a specific school that led me to this. I didn't
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: go to college. I didn't get you know, the I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: didn't go to some healing institute. Of all of the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: things I learned from life experience, had really amazing teachers,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and yes, did a lot of studying and went through
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: different certifications. But standing up on that, Matt was the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: imposter syndrome of do I have anything to offer? What
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: do I have to offer? I mean, why me?
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: What do you tell someone who tells you that they
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: are also often met with imposter syndrome?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Breathe, breathe, take a beat, and then let's evaluate what's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: really happening. As I went through life, I've had the
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: opportunity to work with people that have had all the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: degrees that went to all the traditional things, that were
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: top level titles and great experiences, and then also the opposite,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the people that just made it happen, that just didn't
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: go and get the certifications and all the things, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it looked different. So I would say, it can look different.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to look one way. That just what
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was what I was.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Told it had to look one way.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Didn't have other examples and what do we know to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: be true right now? Because what I've seen and throughout
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: my experience is.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: In a way, we are kind of all making it up.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean making it.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Up from a bad way, But aren't we all just
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: kind of figuring it out? Aren't we all coming to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it from different angles? And what's to say that someone
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: else has it all figured out.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And you don't. Yeah?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: And so when you start to put your claws into
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the class, yeh, and you start teaching, and you start
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: understanding how to communicate a little bit more, let's say, effectively.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: How does that feel for you?
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: So freeing, so liberating?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: A piece of the puzzle that got to click click in.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: There's something very cathartic with speaking your truth, and that
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: comes through as a student in the class when we're
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: vocalizing and using breath and sound. I'm also a big
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: believer of talk therapy. That works for me. And it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: also not just enough to talk about it, but to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: talk and move at the same time and use breath
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and sound and the energy and the music. All of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: those pieces come together in such a beautiful way, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: it's just so powerful.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: How did it manifest in the rest of your life,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the adding of this into your life.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I had some real heart to heart with myself of like, Okay, Jacy,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: so now you're learning to do it over here, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: now you got to you gotta practice what you're what
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you're doing. You gotta take it all into the areas
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of your life, advocating for yourself, speaking up in those
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: relationships that historically had been felt suppressing for me, or
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that I would shy away from speaking up or avoiding confrontation,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: deferring to the louder voices or the bigger personalities, letting
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: myself kind of be steamrolled because I was recovering from
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: people pleasing and that person that wants it to be
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: copasetic and everyone to get along and not have it be.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Uncomfortable.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So it challenged me to say, Okay, now you're doing
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: this here, what about here, here, here, and here that challenge?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: How did the challenge make you feel?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Ooh, scared?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Scared and intimidated and excited to know that there was
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: real opportunity from many different angles, not just in what
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do as a as a facilitator and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a leader at the class or a teacher at the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: class who I was standing for as someone that was
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: training other people in this method, and who I was
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: standing for as someone who didn't want to stand.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: For that for other people.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's understandable that you felt all of
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: these emotions right, Scared, also a little bit excited, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: when you speak specifically about it, empowering you to take
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: stock of your relationships and understand maybe the patterns that
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: weren't serving you.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I've been there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: There have been many times where I've had to have
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: that talk with myself, asking myself, is this person is
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: this relationship really serving you? Is it making you as
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: happy as it once did? Or are you holding on
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: to that former level of happiness that is no longer?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And to be.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Able to step out from that situation can be so
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: so so difficult because even though at times that situation
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: may be let's say it disrespectful or toxic, toxic, it
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: still has this like resonating amount of comfort totally for
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: someone that's stuck in that, now, how do they get out?
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: There's something that Natalie says often, and I don't know
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: necessarily if she credits where she got this, but what
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: is familiar is not necessarily what is good for you?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: And when we.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Start tracking our early environments and what we were exposed to.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: There's an unconscious attraction to what is familiar, and that's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: very different from what is good for you.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: How you move through it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: With that courage to know it's going to be very
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable before it shifts. There is no transformation or change
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: or alchemy without pressure, compression, heat, confrontation. That's all necessary.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: There's no skipping the line or magic bullet. So one
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: breath at a time, one moment at a time, and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like you mentioned, it's hard with that residue of maybe
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it's serving still some kind of purpose, which is which
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: is like an old pattern or an old coping mechanism,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: having some kind of support system, and whether that is
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: literally like a therapist or a sacred council. That is
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the representation of the healthy is a barometer that is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: important because you need to see it. You need to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: feel health in some other capacity, whether that's a relationship
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: or in any other area, to be able now to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: recognize it, so that you can determine the difference of like, oh,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: right over here, we're going over here. That's over there,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: we're going over here.
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  Speaker 3: When do you gain an understanding that this is going
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  Speaker 3: to be more for you in terms of a career
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  Speaker 3: than simply teaching at a studio.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I started to see it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: When I first started teaching. I mean, I'll just name it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: It was not good, Like my glasses were not good.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: We had everything from people coming.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: In and seeing it was I mean, I love Tarin
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and so I feel like I can say it like
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: seeing it wasn't her and just being like piece out, Bye,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick up my mat and leave, or like
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: into the second song, bye, I'm going to the bathroom.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I've never gone back. And of course there was a
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: learning curve with anything, but it.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Was so drastic what was happening that I was committed to,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: all Right, how do I make this better?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: How do I make it better?
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: And in the space of you know, maybe it's anything
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that you do in any vocation or career, but specifically
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in energy and healing work, you are setting the tone.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: So it's your tone that is co creating the experience.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: So if you're not looking at your own tone or
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: energy or life experience, which is ultimately creating the container
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: or co creation, you're not really doing the job, you
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's a little bit of like
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: check in and check out. So that's just what I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: wanted for myself. I started to see that this was
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: not going to work by showing up and just clicking
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: in and being like I'm here to do my thing
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and then clicking out. There was too much happening in
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that separation that wasn't fully integrating into how I would
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: then show up the next time.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: That's interesting because I think that speaks to your passion
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: and your deep commitment to the work, knowing that the
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: work is actually very tied to what you want to
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: do with your life and who you want to be.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Because there are certainly people that are listening to this
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: right now that will never feel that way about their work.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: So the fact that your instinct was I'm going to
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: figure out how to make this better.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I want to keep this turned on.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I don't want to check out that says something about
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: you and what you arrived to this entire experience with
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: in the first place. I don't think one is necessarily
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: always better than the other or vice versa. Right, definitely,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: because everyone has different priorities.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Totally, totally and wherever you are in your life and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: what you're focusing on. And there were plenty other jobs
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that I had where I didn't feel that level of passion.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not really that invested to go
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the extra mile or try to put in off the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: clock time with my own research and my own things
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and my own studying and my own self work. But
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I started to see that, you know, the group or
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the students or the experience of the class is only
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: going to go as far as where I am. So
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: if I want to give a wider range of experiences,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I have to stretch that in myself.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: How do you show up when you don't feel like
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: showing up?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I do it. I drink that cup of coffee.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I'm a capricorn, I'm the goat climbing the mountain like
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I just fucking do it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get up. I know this is not about me, right,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm here in service. I'm here. I mean
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: this is person what I believe.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I'm here in service of some kind of greater good
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and that is so much bigger than me that my
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: moments of fatigue or I didn't get enough sleep is
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a is a grain of sand to potentially how some
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of the students are showing up in what they need
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and that bigger picture and approach of what we're doing
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: is the thing that motivates me to show up.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that still doesn't mean that showing up is easy. No,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And over the last few years, pandemic a big move
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: things going on in your personal life. I am sure
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: that there have been times where maybe it did feel
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: harder than others. Totally talk to me about the how then.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Observing where I am so part of my process before
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I teach is I don't want to ever bring any
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: of my own shit or residue or stuff to project
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: into the room. So part of that is and am
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I saying that I get that perfect every single time?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely not saying get.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: A perfect every time, But there is a moment of
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: what do I need to do right now to not
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: have this come into the room.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Is it crying in my car? Because I do that
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I put the music up really loud, I scream, I
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: yell all sorts of stuff in my car.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: My car is like my little bubble. Even in New York.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: We were blessed to have a car in Brooklyn.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: But I would go in the car and just scream
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and cry and do whatever I had to do to
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: make space for me to go and create that space
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: for others. Yeah, a lot of self talk, a lot
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: of like a pep talk for myself, playing different kinds
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: of music to shift my energy and mood, sometimes removing
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: myself from a situation that was weighing on me, Like
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I just need to change my environment. Let me go outside,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: take a walk, let me very specific people that I
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: know I cannot talk to on the phone before I
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: teach my class, Like nope, not taking that call right
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: now to do that later, but knowing what are the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: tools that I can do right now to shift my energy.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's taking a shower, Sometimes it's taking a bath.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like changing my clothes.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of awareness here, and that awareness
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't just show up overnight and so knowing that these
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: are things that are within your control, you can control
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: the controllables. That doesn't mean that it makes any of
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: the uncontrollable any less, maybe anxiety inducing or whatnot, but
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: it means that you have a firm grasp on what
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: you can do with any situation. And that's hard to
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: come to terms with, especially when things do feel bigger
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: than you. What would you say, over the last let's
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: give it three years, has felt bigger than you? I
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: mean one for sure, the pandemic, right, there's no controlling
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: that or how that was going to affect all of
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: our lives.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Personally.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I've been on a fertility journey for a very long
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: reframe very long, maybe since maybe like around four or
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: five years, and I don't have any control over that. Definitely,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: health stuff throughout my fertility journey. In the very beginning,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: via all the testing and preparation, they found a calcification
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: in my breast that was pre cancerous surgery. All those
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: things definitely bigger than me. Being newly married, figuring out
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: how to coexist, yeah, both working from home, newly married,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: all the things definitely bigger, bigger than me.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I love about you?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: JC is.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: You have such a kind of compassionate soul and a
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: softness to you, but you're also firm, and you have
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: so much power, and I think often we hear that
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: you can be both kind and firm, but it is
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: a hard line to walk, and you also radiate so
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: much joy, and so to hear you going through those things,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: thank you for sharing that with me and with us.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: But also I'm sure that it really resonates with someone
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: listening to this that may also be going through the
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: things that feel bigger than them. I know that it
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: can be so challenging to feel like you don't have
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: agency over your own body, which you have already stated
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: is something that is so important for you to move
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: with and to work with and to be in kind
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: of cohoots with.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: So how do you come back to calm a lot
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of compassion? You know, I'll start a lot of it
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: by breathing, like, take a breath, and then the compassion
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: for our bodies in a way that is not hating
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: on them. Because of this, you could look at it
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: as a roadblock, right, You could be like, why is
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: this happening to me? How did this happen? I did
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: all the things I'm healthy and this and that my
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: body's failing me. There's maybe an out projection of what
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: did you do wrong? How come you can't do this?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: How come you you know, how'd you let this happen?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And tuning out all of that noise, because what you're
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: our bodies are not going to heal from more judgment,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: shame and anger. They're going to heal from love, just
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like an animal or a plant or a child does.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: It needs to be watered.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't need punishment, you know, I'm not talking about
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: being firm.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: But punishment.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: So a big part of what we do is is
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: coming into harmonization. So in all of those situations, it's like, yes,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: acknowledge that it sucks, acknowledge that this is not what
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: you thought was going to happen, have a space to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: have all of those feelings. Because for me going through that,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the like, hey, just stay positive.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: That shit was not cutting it for me. That was
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: not working for me.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: And and that could be partly my disposition that I'm
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I feel things very deeply, and but if if we
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: just ignore what's we're real feeling, that's going to create
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: less harmony and what we're working towards is that harmonization
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: in all those parts of ourselves so that the body
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: could actually do what it does to heal some and
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: some capacity. So it's like if we're at war the
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: whole time, and that could be applied from like the
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: number on the scale, the size.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Of your close.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: It clothes whatever diagnosis you've been given, which does not
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: have to be your life sentence. This is not how
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: you're going to like live the rest of your lives
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: carrying around this like infertility stamp. Coming back to calm
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: or presence is not has to come from love and compassion.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: How do you not lose the faith?
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I will be honest that of course you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: lose it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: It's you lose it. You wake up and you're like
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: what the fuck? Yeah, now what?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I'm still working with this thing. Today's a hard day.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: So I don't think it's about like how do you
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: not lose it? Maybe it's just knowing you will feel
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: days where it doesn't feel there, but that doesn't mean
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that it's gone.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: It's like, then what do you do? Who that was powerful?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: There are days that you might not feel it, but
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that it's gone. It's like the sun.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: There are days. It's cloudy out right now. Yeah, you
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: know what I dressed for today? Eighty five and sunny.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: You know what's going on.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel so I have on a furry sweater
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and like literally my fall jacket clearly like lives in California,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't live in California.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: But the fact is is that I know that it's
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: up there. Yeah, and it's something that you can go
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: back to and you can believe, I'll never forget. When
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I sat down with Neka Ogu mackay, she's a WNBA player,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: and we were talking about we were talking about her
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: experience with depression, and she likened it too sitting inside
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: of a room and the curtains are drawn and you
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: have the ability to reach and touch the curtains, but
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: for some reason that you cannot explain, you're incapable of
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: drawing them and feeling the sun and feeling the warmth.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: But you know it's there, but you're just stuck, right,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: And so to keep that faith and be resilient despite
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: it feeling as though everything is working against you. It's relatable,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: it is heartbreaking. It is also a beautiful sentiment to
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: what we are capable of and what you have been
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: capable of since you've been going through this journey.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: We are not preparing for the days when it's perfect.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: We say this a lot in the class, like we're
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: not practicing for the day you wake up and you're like,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: life is fucking amazing and I feel great. Those days
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: will come great, celebrate them. It's what about all of
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the other days when it's just not right at your fingertips?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: This is where the tools and coming back to. All Right,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like doing it, but I'm gonna go
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: move my body. I don't feel like drinking water today,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: but I know that.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: That's good for me. I don't feel like.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe getting together with that friend where I'm going to
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: have to be honest, but I know that's one of
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: the tools in my tool belt.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: It's also funny because you can liken it to getting
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: into a new relationship and you in those first like
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: three or four dates, it's like all excited and giddy
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: and whatever, and it's beautiful.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: But the fact is is that.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: You can do good times with anyone, but you can't
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: do bad times with everyone. So what happens when the
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: curtains are drawn and you can't open it up. How
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: does that person show up for you? And is that
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: in a way that serves you truly? And then going
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: back to what we started to talk about before, being
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: honest with yourself. If the answer is no, because you
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: can't hold on to the good times and pretend that
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: that feeling is going to sink in when you have
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: other unhappiness in your life.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, because that's I mean, that is what it is.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: There's it would be. We would be gaslighting ourselves if
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: we did not allow ourselves to be really honest of
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: all of those other days. You know what I mean,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: like this, why don't I feel happy today? Why isn't
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: and everything working out? Life is supposed to be this
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and this that we would be gaslighting ourselves. What's next
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: for you? If you don't mind me asking what's next? Well,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I'm here now in Los Angeles. I'm loving living in
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: La class Wise, we have the La Studio going. I'm
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: about to go to San Francisco do some pop ups
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and then lead the class for treatment in Bali, which
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I'm very excited about. We have launched yoga and meditation
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: at the class. We're launching an audio series where you
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: can take meditation, walking meditation, yoga, the class itself outside
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: and do the practice with us off staring at a screen.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Lots more retreats and events and all the things happening
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: all over And then you know, a big piece also
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: me moving out here personally was giving my body a
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: chance to heal. There's a lot of procedures that go
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: into the fertility journey. There's a lot of poking and
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: prodding and a lot of things that don't necessarily feel
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: great and hormones and medicine, which, thank goodness, those things exist,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: but I've realized it, Yeah, like it. None of that
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: stuff just automatically shifts when you stop doing it. There's
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a physical residue and an energetic residue. So I'm giving
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: myself permission of you know, like let's hike, Let's have
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: time when I'm not working to take walks. Let's be
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: in that state where my body can do what it
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: needs to do and stay open to what this potentially
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: will look like for me in building a family if
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: that's what we do.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I told you what my perception is of you, and
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sure like someone goes maybe to your social media
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: and they see this woman who is a VP at
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the class, and she's teaching, and she has these wisdoms.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: But when you look in the mirror, what is it
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: that you see looking back at you.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I see someone that is choosing to get up for
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: another day. I see someone that is committed to keep going.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I see someone who's not is choosing not to escape
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and numb the pain. I see someone who's not afraid
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Vulnerable and raw and wailing to learn still be a student.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I know this word sensitive gets misused and can have
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: a negative connotation to it, But as I've learned more
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: about it and look at it from a place of sensing,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: which I believe, we're all sensitive, right, and people are like, oh,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: you feel too much, you're sensitive, and then it becomes
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: this bad thing, and then people it can be told
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: to us in a way of gaslighting our feelings. But
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I see someone who is highly sensitive and not from
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: a place of experiencing life in their sensing body.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting definition and I really appreciate it. But
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: there had to be times where you just completely broke down.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Oh one thousand and those days still occur, definitely. Yeah, where.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: What is needed is the curl up in a ball
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: on the ground and sob and whale, and I think
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that that's healthy.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, God, I think that.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: That like a once weekly crying question over here.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or cancel all the things, cancel the plans, stay home,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: or go outside when you're not supposed to be outside,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but this work has helped reframe that
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: for me. I didn't I've never saw people break down before.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I never that was not like, this is part of living,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: this is part of being human. It was hold it in,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: don't talk about.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: It and perform or you know.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: So when there are moments in class this is this
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: happened this week. There were a couple people processing very deeply,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and in that moment, I was just so grateful. I
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: was like, how amazing that not only do we get
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: to do this, but there are other people in here
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that are going to be affected by this in such
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: a great way. To know that that is part of
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: the human experience.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I love the way that you elanguage that processing so deeply.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: That is definitely a vernacular that has been shared in
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: a way that makes it seem better than there was.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: This person breaking down on that free yeah.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've been there, right, And when we
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: go through these moments where we quote unquote process so deeply.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: I have never come out on the other side and
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: thought to myself, damn, I wish I hadn't done that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: No, you're not like that was a waste of time. No. Never.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: In the moment leading up to it, there's resistance, probably
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: because we don't spend as much time there and it's
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: maybe unfamiliar, and for myself personally, there was a residue
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: of fear that I wouldn't be able to come out
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: of it. Once you know you can come out of it,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: going into it makes it way less scary.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: I also think that in the moment when that is happening,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: the quote unquote processing, there's also a certain amount of
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: shame that can be around that, especially in an environment
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: where that processing is happening in any sort of public
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: setting or anyone's around, even if they're your most compassionate
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: and beautiful lover. It's like sometimes were made to feel
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: as though we shouldn't be emotional, you shouldn't be vocal,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be angry, whatever it is, insert emotion here,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: And when you get to a place as you're describing that,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: you understand that these emotions are inherently human that it
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: enables you to get past that shame with time, with time,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: and then get to the other side.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Yep. And in those situations there's a reminder there, like
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily safe to process with everybody, you know,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Like there are lots of people who will not be
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: able to hold space for you, and they could be
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: just not equipped, they could be didn't have that exposure
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: in their life, but it's uncomfortable for them, So of
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: course the're not gonna be a hold space for you.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: So knowing that discernment of okay, over here not over there,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I don't break down with everybody. I don't break down
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: in every situation.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I've learned that.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Carving out that space for yourself and knowing where you
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: can do that is self care.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: I think that communication of like how can I show
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: up for you? Yes, that's what's important.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Definitely important. And Terry Real, who's written a bunch of
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: books about relationships and he's a therapist and an author
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and speaker, he talks about holding space and I love
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: his definition of it. It's without judgment or agenda, because
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: sometimes holding space is like it can feel really woul wuie,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: like oh, I'm a holding.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Space for you.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: But then it's like, well, what is it and what
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: is a space that allows somebody to feel safe? If
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: we can approach whoever it is without any agenda or judgment,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes that's the greatest gift we can give somebody.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I totally agree.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Everyone gets to make the decisions that work best for
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: their boundaries, right, and understanding and coming to terms with
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: what those boundaries are is part of the human experience.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that there was yoga and meditation now.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we launched it a couple months ago on the platform,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: and so you can take yoga with us in studio
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and on the digital platform.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: The class going somewhere beyond LA and New York.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Question mark, Oh, the million dollar questions. We would love
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: to be everywhere? Of course, we would love to be everywhere.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I think right now we're committed to growing here Los
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Angeles and the other programs that we do where it's
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: retreats and immersions and then seeing what's possible.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good answer, Yeah, I mean, good answer.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Good answer.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Selfishly, of course, I'm like, yeah, let's go to Miami,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Portugal, let's go let's go to all
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: these places.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Portugal, and you're like, we can go there, Let's go
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: to Austin. Let's be great. Yes, that'll be great.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, all right, my friend, we're at the final question.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Yea.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Right now you have the opportunity to offer yourself a
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: piece of advice when you're in the thick of the
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: I just don't feel like I can do this anymore,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: knowing what you know now on your journey, what do
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: you tell yourself during that hurdle moment?
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: You can? You can.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: It's going to be hard, and then there will be
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a moment where it shifts. There's something here for you, you
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: just might not be able to see it yet. Yeah,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: trust that this is for your greatest good, so powerful.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Whatever's following apart needs to fall apart. There's a rebuilding
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: process somewhere in some moment of time.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, the fall apart always gets me. Ah, I'm
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: so happy that we did this. Thank you so much.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Jac If people don't follow, if the hurdlers don't yet
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: follow along with you or the class give us the lowdown,
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: how can they do that?
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, if you.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Would like to follow along with me, you can see
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: me on Instagram at jcy Gossip All Things Class related
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: heads to the class dot com, and you can follow
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: us on social at the Class.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: At the Class I'm Over, at Hurdle Podcast, and at
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: Emily a Body Another Hurdle Conquered.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.