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Bonnie and Clyde · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck
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  Speaker 1: and Jerry's here too, machine Gun Jerry Rowland and this
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  Speaker 1: is Stuff you Should Know about Bonnie and Clyde. A
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  Speaker 1: true crime edition but also a folk hero edition.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, and it's given me an opportunity to get
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  Speaker 2: that Bonnie and Clyde song stuck in my head all day,
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  Speaker 2: which is great because I've never heard that song, Bonnie
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  Speaker 2: and Clyde. Bonnie and Clyde, I think you're just making
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  Speaker 2: that up now, it's for real. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: Serge Gainsbourg, but I know the Luna version.
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  Speaker 1: I came across that mention of that, so yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was Serge Gainsburg and Brigie Bardot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Luna covered it. And speaking of Luna leader,
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  Speaker 2: Dean Wareham's brother Anthony as a listener, So hello Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, we finally got to Anthony.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to buy Dean's guitar off of Instagram a
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  Speaker 2: few weeks ago. How did he go, Well, he put
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  Speaker 2: his guitar up and it's the one that's on the
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  Speaker 2: cover of his book Black Postcards. And he's used in
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  Speaker 2: the studio and on tour. And I was like, huh,
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  Speaker 2: let me just see how much he wants and he said,
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  Speaker 2: I missed it by a day, so it stinks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe Anthony can pull some strings for you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like steal a guitar from Dean and just send
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  Speaker 2: it my way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And if Anthony did that, he'd be a lot
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  Speaker 1: like Clyde Barrow or Bonnie Parker.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, these guys like to steal stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I did you see the PBS documentary, the
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  Speaker 1: American Experience documentary on him. No, just it, it's worth watching.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen the movie. So you put the two
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  Speaker 1: of us together, we have a full comprehension, right.
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  Speaker 2: That's how it works.
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  Speaker 1: But they kind of they basically got across that they stole,
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  Speaker 1: or Clyde stole just literally a way of life, like
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  Speaker 1: he stole cars to get around, he stole money to
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  Speaker 1: buy food with, like he that's just how he lived.
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  Speaker 1: And they make the point. And I think Lvia Olivia
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  Speaker 1: helped us with this. I she kind of makes the
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  Speaker 1: point too, like these were the options that were open
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  Speaker 1: to them, especially Clyde because he was raised dirt poor
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  Speaker 1: during the depression, and like a lot of people were
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  Speaker 1: poor during the depression. So if you were dirt poor
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  Speaker 1: during the Depression, you were really really poor. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the life that that Clyde Barrow was born into.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, and you know, not to excuse crime,
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  Speaker 2: but that was just his background and not to you know,
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  Speaker 2: they've been glorified over the years, but kind of reading
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  Speaker 2: through this, it was like, oh, man, they like just
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  Speaker 2: would murder people at will, again usually to get out
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  Speaker 2: of a scrape, but still just like killing people left
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  Speaker 2: and right, just you know, to not get caught.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly cops. And there's some disputes over there's a
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  Speaker 1: pair of patrol men that were killed, and it's disputed
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  Speaker 1: whether Bonnie was one of the gunmen or not. There's
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  Speaker 1: some other crimes that they have had attributed to them
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  Speaker 1: that may or may not have been there doing, but
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  Speaker 1: there are definitely there's a the path behind them was
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  Speaker 1: littered with dead cops that they definitely murdered. They were
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  Speaker 1: known to like if a cop came up to him,
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  Speaker 1: even if they had no idea who they were and
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  Speaker 1: were trying to help, they just opened fire and killed
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  Speaker 1: the guy. Like that was definitely their mo typically with
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  Speaker 1: cops though, and this isn't like justify it, but this
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  Speaker 1: was also the era where the cops would just open
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  Speaker 1: fire on you too. There wasn't like I put your
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  Speaker 1: hands up kind of stuff. It was like, you're an outlaw.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start shooting at you first, ask questions later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not like these days where cops and ice never
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  Speaker 2: just kill people, right, bad joke? Yeah, all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: and you know it. And maybe I'll make this point
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  Speaker 2: later too. But and again it doesn't justify it. But
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  Speaker 2: after Clyde's prison stent early on, like he was to
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  Speaker 2: me like clearly killing people, so he would never ever
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  Speaker 2: have to go back to prison, right you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can kind of get that after you
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  Speaker 1: hear about his time in prison and how much he
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  Speaker 1: hated it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get going and talk about Clyde first.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's Bonnie and Clyde, but we're going Clyde
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  Speaker 2: and Bonnie initially.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh.
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  Speaker 2: He was born in Texas in nineteen oh nine, in
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  Speaker 2: Teleco And you know, when he was a kid, he
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  Speaker 2: I don't think this necessarily means he was set for
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  Speaker 2: a life of crime. So a lot of kids played
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  Speaker 2: gangster play outlaw and that's but that's what he did.
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  Speaker 2: And in the twenties they moved to a very very
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  Speaker 2: very poor neighborhood in West Dallas and we're homeless as
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  Speaker 2: a family for a while. And his brother Buck Barrow
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  Speaker 2: and Clyde started you know, early on, like stealing food,
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  Speaker 2: like you mentioned, stealing turkeys, and then that graduated to
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  Speaker 2: robbery and car theft and stuff like that, to the
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  Speaker 2: point where he was eventually arrested for the first time
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  Speaker 2: when he was seventeen for car theft.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. This was not him boosting a car, which was
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  Speaker 1: basically how he got every other car. He actually went
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  Speaker 1: and rented a car and then a girlfriend and then
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  Speaker 1: didn't take it back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's stealing, though, you know, no, it definitely ok.
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  Speaker 1: Death by taking I think, But I think also you
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  Speaker 1: can implicate the car rental place for renting a car
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  Speaker 1: to a seventeen year old.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was also quite frankly surprised to learn that
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  Speaker 2: they had car rental services in nineteen twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, although it was probably just some dude in town
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  Speaker 1: who'd let you take his car for ten.
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  Speaker 2: Bucks or something, but you got to be thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, that was his first brush with the law,
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  Speaker 1: and that was certainly far from his last. And that's Clyde.
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  Speaker 1: His middle name was Chestnut, by the way, which I
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  Speaker 1: thought was pretty cool, very cute. Bonnie's middle name was Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 1: Her name was Bonnie Elizabeth Parker. She was born into
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  Speaker 1: different circumstances than Clyde. Her mom was a seamstress, her
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  Speaker 1: dad was a bricklayer, but she was born in Rowena, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: and after her father died, the family had very little
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  Speaker 1: means of supporting themselves, and her mom was I think
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  Speaker 1: her mom's name was Emma. She was basically left to
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  Speaker 1: raise three very little kids on her own. So they
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  Speaker 1: ended up in the same area roughly where Clyde and
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  Speaker 1: his family were. Basically, I saw it put that they
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  Speaker 1: were both from the same side of the tracks, despite
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  Speaker 1: Bonnie's mom raising her and her siblings to be respectable
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  Speaker 1: and up to feel that they were above their circumstances
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  Speaker 1: rather than you know, part of their circumstances for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, this was the early nineteen hundred, so
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times you would find kids dropping out
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  Speaker 2: of school or getting married at very young ages, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what happened with Bonnie. At fifteen, she married a
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  Speaker 2: guy named Roy Thornton who was a criminal, so that
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  Speaker 2: kind of gave her a taste of that lifestyle. They
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  Speaker 2: weren't together too long, I think about four years, even
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  Speaker 2: though they never officially legally got divorced, and finally hooked
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  Speaker 2: up with Clyde in nineteen thirty when he was twenty
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  Speaker 2: and she was nineteen. And it wasn't long after they
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  Speaker 2: got together that Clyde went to prison for car theft
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  Speaker 2: and burglary again just sort of doing the same fairly
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  Speaker 2: low stakes crimes at the time, and she got him
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  Speaker 2: out of jail. She smuggled in a gun and helped
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  Speaker 2: him escape basically with two other inmates. They were all
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  Speaker 2: three recaptured though, and that's when he got his kind
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  Speaker 2: of really tough stint in prison.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they send him to fourteen years hard labor on
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  Speaker 1: the East of Prison farm, which was a notorious farm
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  Speaker 1: in the Texas pedals system where you would just get
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  Speaker 1: beaten for no reason by the guards who were just
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  Speaker 1: completely beyond the law. And he was also he had
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  Speaker 1: been taken remember he's still pretty young at this time.
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  Speaker 1: He was basically claimed by another inmate who raped him
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  Speaker 1: repeatedly and beat him repeatedly, and he essentially was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is my life now for at least the next
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  Speaker 1: fourteen years. And there he finally was tired enough of
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  Speaker 1: it that he smuggled a galvanized pipe into the cells
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  Speaker 1: with him and he walked to the showers, knowing that
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  Speaker 1: this guy was going to follow him, and the guy did,
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  Speaker 1: and Clyde suddenly turns on him and beat him over
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  Speaker 1: the head until he was dead with the lead pipe.
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  Speaker 1: And I think one thing that really kind of gets across,
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  Speaker 1: like how Clyde was. He was kind of a likable
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  Speaker 1: person throughout his life, but especially at this time. Another
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  Speaker 1: inmate who already had a life sentence he was never
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  Speaker 1: getting out, he took the blame so that Clyde wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: basically ruin his future for killing the man who'd been
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  Speaker 1: raping him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, hey, it's a pretty stand up thing
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  Speaker 2: to do for that guy in prison.
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  Speaker 1: It totally is. It's like I donated a kid need
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  Speaker 1: to a stranger. Oh yeah, well I took a murder
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  Speaker 1: rap so a kid wouldn't who was doling out his
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  Speaker 1: own justice wouldn't ruin his life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know that's what I was referencing when
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  Speaker 2: it You know, it seems that Clyde did everything, including
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  Speaker 2: killing cops, that he could to stay out of jail.
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  Speaker 2: Again again, not excusing to killing a police, just kind
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  Speaker 2: of kind of lay down the reality of being assaulted
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  Speaker 2: in prison like that.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're explaining his mindset. That's legitimate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So one of the other things. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think Clyde was ever accused of being like the smartest
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  Speaker 2: guy in the world, because at one point he cut
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  Speaker 2: off two of his toes to avoid the hard labor
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  Speaker 2: part of the hard labor prison, and less than a
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  Speaker 2: week later he was freed when in his mother petitioned
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  Speaker 2: for parole. So I didn't time that one out quite right.
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  Speaker 1: No, he was also, I guess, not known as the
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  Speaker 1: luckiest guy around too. Yeah, he spent so he spent
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  Speaker 1: less than two years in prison. But in that time
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  Speaker 1: he changed like fundamentally before, like you said, fairly light stuff,
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  Speaker 1: boosting cars, stealing truckloads of turkeys, that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But there was another guy that he was in the
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  Speaker 1: prison with who said that before his very eyes he
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  Speaker 1: saw Clyde change from a schoolboy to a Rattlesnake, and
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  Speaker 1: even Bonnie. Later on, in a poem that she wrote
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  Speaker 1: she used to write poetry, she mentioned that that Clyde
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  Speaker 1: was basically a victim of unfair institutionalization. Basically that that's
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  Speaker 1: what that's why he was the way he was.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta say, every time you say boosted a car,
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  Speaker 2: it makes you sound super street.
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  Speaker 1: It sound like a fifties greaser in the seventies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of stealing a car, Like I'm not cool,
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  Speaker 2: I don't say boosting a car.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could say stealing. Yeah, I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know any other way to put it. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's just because I'm from the streets.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's about to say, you're like, oh wait, there's a
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  Speaker 2: word for boosting a car, stealing steel. Yeah, they don't
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  Speaker 2: teach that on the street. So I don't blame you.
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  Speaker 2: So Clyde was released, like we said, when his mother
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  Speaker 2: petitioned for that release, and he went right back to robbing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, gas stations, convenience store stuff like that. He
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  Speaker 2: had his first sort of partner in crime. His name
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  Speaker 2: was Ralph Foltz, and Bonnie was kind of joined up
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  Speaker 2: with them as the first version of the Barrow Gang,
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  Speaker 2: just the three of them, even though like you know,
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  Speaker 2: parents on both sides were like, Bonnie, you can't join
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  Speaker 2: up with this criminal gang, Like please, don't do it,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, I love my man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, I like the bad boys for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, one of the reasons why we still
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  Speaker 1: know about Bonnie and Clyde not just because they became celebrities,
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  Speaker 1: but also because they were just totally in love with
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  Speaker 1: one another.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like basically every single outlaw romance or love story that
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  Speaker 1: you've ever seen, and the movies are on TV, is
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  Speaker 1: in one way or another based on Bonnie and Clyde.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's my theory. Yeah. I should probably say
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  Speaker 1: this is not you know, something from an academic journal
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  Speaker 1: I read, but.
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  Speaker 2: A white paper, as Emily would say.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, it's it's something I'm working on.
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  Speaker 2: Emily.
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  Speaker 1: Emily's got one for everything, doesn't she.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when I like, you know, when she'll just
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  Speaker 2: sort of make a claim or something else and not
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  Speaker 2: to its challenger, I'll just be like, are you sure
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  Speaker 2: about that or something, and She'll be like, well, I
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  Speaker 2: don't have a white paper. On it all right, I
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  Speaker 2: know that's the time.
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  Speaker 1: To back off, Thank you, Emily.
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  Speaker 2: So in April of thirty two, and you know, we
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  Speaker 2: should point out this is over just a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years that all of derrib shenanigans took place. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna be spitting out dates kind of Fast and Furious.
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  Speaker 2: But in April of speaking of boosting cars of thirty two,
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  Speaker 2: did you get that one?
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  Speaker 1: Hm?
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm, Fast and Furious?
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, did they boost cars? I thought they There
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  Speaker 1: were extensive, lengthy scenes of them negotiating at car dealerships.
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  Speaker 1: Actually they're purchasing.
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  Speaker 2: I think saw you got to sell me this car?
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  Speaker 2: It's about family. I only know that line about family
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  Speaker 2: as a reference because I've only seen one of that.
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  Speaker 2: I think I saw that very first movie, did you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with the Fast and the Furious verse,
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  Speaker 2: But were they even Carthy's I think they were right.
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  Speaker 1: I probably, I mean they were definitely. I get the
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  Speaker 1: impression that they were on the wrong side of the law,
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  Speaker 1: the right side.
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  Speaker 2: Of Justice's man, that's the log line. Did you you
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  Speaker 2: didn't see any of those? No, not even the first one. No,
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  Speaker 2: you say that like you have that I know I'm
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  Speaker 2: starvage movies before.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, but it's also the highest grossing movie franchise in
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  Speaker 1: the world ever.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's because there's thirty seven of them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's definitely part of it. But also people
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  Speaker 1: prettily like car movies.
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  Speaker 2: They do, they're supposed to be good, all right. So
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  Speaker 2: back to after pointing out my dumb pun. April of
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  Speaker 2: thirty two, Bonnie and Ralph Fultz, who was the guy
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  Speaker 2: who he initially hooked up with and then gang they
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  Speaker 2: were arrested trying to rob a hardware store and she
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  Speaker 2: got out, was never indicted at least, and Ralph was convicted,
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  Speaker 2: and while she was sort of being investigated for indictment,
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  Speaker 2: Clyde and his other boys are still out there again.
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  Speaker 2: Robin banks, Robin stores, gas stations, all pretty And this
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  Speaker 2: is one reason they got away with it for so
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  Speaker 2: long is they never did like these huge things. They
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  Speaker 2: were kind of in small towns Robin, you know, kind
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  Speaker 2: of backwater grocery stores and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's key.
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  Speaker 2: But it was at one of these robberies where the
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  Speaker 2: first murder happens when a store owner and one of
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  Speaker 2: the only non cops, a guy named John Butcher, was killed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's also not clear whether it was Clyde
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  Speaker 1: that did it. Yeah, I don't think anyone thinks it
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  Speaker 1: was Bonnie. I'm yeah, she was in jail, I think,
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  Speaker 1: like you said at the time, Yeah, definitely wasn't her.
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  Speaker 1: There was. He was with an associate named Raymond Hamilton,
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  Speaker 1: and Raymond Hamilton and Floyd Hamilton would kind of come
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  Speaker 1: in and out of the Barrow gang, and I got
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  Speaker 1: the impression that, like Clyde was definitely one of the
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  Speaker 1: more stand up gangsters, of the people in his gang,
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  Speaker 1: that he ran with some shady, shady dudes that were
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  Speaker 1: way more murderous than him, and that it was just
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  Speaker 1: basically him being pragmatic, like he just had a small
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  Speaker 1: pool of people who he knew could help him rob
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  Speaker 1: a store at any given time, so he had to
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  Speaker 1: kind of hang out with these shady people. I get
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  Speaker 1: the impression the otherwise wouldn't have necessarily.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of do too. Yeah. So that was
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  Speaker 2: in April of the first murder. The second murder was
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  Speaker 2: in August of that year when Clyde and Raymond and
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  Speaker 2: another you know guy that they was sort of in
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  Speaker 2: and out of the gang killed an undershare if I guess,
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  Speaker 2: which is sort of like a deputy named Eugene Moore
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  Speaker 2: in Stringtown, Oklahoma, and then went back to Dallas around
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  Speaker 2: Christmas and Clyde talked to a kid, basically a sixteen
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  Speaker 2: year old named w D. Jones into joining up with
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  Speaker 2: the gang. And on Christmas Day, which was the next day,
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  Speaker 2: they killed another guy named Doyle Johnson while stealing his car,
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  Speaker 2: and Clyde was like, all right, kid, like, you got
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  Speaker 2: to stay with us now otherwise like they're going to
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  Speaker 2: get you for this murder.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and w D being sixteen at the time, was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh God, I have no choice. I have to turn
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  Speaker 1: to a life of crime now. I'm in too deep.
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  Speaker 1: As Phil Collins would later saye so he did. He
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  Speaker 1: stuck around and he and Bonnie and Clyde were essentially
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  Speaker 1: the first cohesive Bonnie and Clyde gang, Yeah, because they
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  Speaker 1: stuck together for quite a while.
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  Speaker 2: A member.
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  Speaker 1: She did a lot of stuff. Everything we're talking about here,
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  Speaker 1: every signify thing, which is usually the murder of a cop.
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  Speaker 1: They're in between those, there's handfuls and handfuls of robberies
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  Speaker 1: and you know, shootouts and stuff like that that they
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  Speaker 1: engaged and they were on the run and on the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: move and under the gun. Yeah, every moment from the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: start to their death. Over the course of this two
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: something years, they were just constantly in action. Even when
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: they took a vacation, as we'll see in Joplin, Missouri,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: they ended up in a shootout.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of gunplay. I mean that
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: was at Christmas when the second murder happened. In January,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: there was another murder and this was just a sort
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: of an unlucky circumstance when they walked into an ambush,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't for them, it was for a different target,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: but it was an ambush nonetheless. So they killed the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: deputy sheriff named Malcolm Davis. And for the next couple
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: of months, basically early thirty three through the spring, it
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: was Zora, Arkansas, Oklahoma, stealing boosting cars how to say it, right, Yeah,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: boosting cars. And you know, if you've ever seen the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: very famous photos that looks like, hey, this looks sort
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: of like a photo shoot of these criminals, that's kind
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: of exactly what it was. It was during this time
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: that w D took these photos of them, these very
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: famous photos. One of which I'm sure you saw this
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: one online. Somebody did a really good job colorizing the
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: one where he's kind of lifted Bonnie up and like
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: colorized and retouched to where it looks like a modern photo.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: There's like a lot of clarity because otherwise they're sort
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: of grainy black and white. But yeah, you get your
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: with this color photo. You get a really good look
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: at like who they were, and they they you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Fade Dunaway and Warren Batty played them for a reason,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: like they were both like pretty attractive people.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't know this, but Bonnie was really Dnkham's.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Like she was under what is that she was under
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: five feet tall and weighed eighty five pounds.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: That's a Dnkham's.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a dnkham Never heard of that. I guess
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it's it's mine. Oh okay, like being white papered. It's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: on archive right now.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Well you means it to a small person, do you say,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: come here, little Dinkams? Is that where it comes from?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Drives her crazy, She's like, put me down, all right?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a Dnkhams. That's why he was just
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: sort of holding her up with one arm.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I guess yeah. And also it would come in handy
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: later when she injures her leg, right, because she had
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: to be carried quite a bit. But so around this
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: time those photos, like you said, they'll they'll come back
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in again. But around this time, I guess in March.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: This is January when they started shooting at the cops again.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: December and January art shooting at the cops again, right,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: so this is this is March. And when Clyde's brother
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Buck shows up, and Buck had been in pre remember
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: he basically taught his little brother Clyde how to be
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a criminal, but not a murderous criminal. Clyde learned that
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: on his own, remember, Yeah. And Buck's wife Blanche came along.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: So now they had a two couple gang with a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: fifth wheel in WD Blanche and Buck and Bonnie and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Clyde in poor little w D, who again is like sixteen,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: maybe seventeen by now, and after like this at least
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a year of just constant crime, they're like, let's take
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: a vacation in Joplin, Missouri, Missouri, right, that's how they
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: say it. Yeah, And they were there for thirteen days
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: before the cops got called on them because they were
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: basically being noisy drunks in a neighborhood, and the neighbors
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: were like, these are probably bootleggers because this is you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I guess it's after prohibition, shortly after prohibition, but still,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: these bootleg operations were so successful. I'm sure they just
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: didn't go away immediately.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, whoever's at this airbnb is really dragging
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the neighborhood down.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: So they did call the cops and another gunfight. You know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the cops come up and, like you said, this is
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: just a time where people are just opening fire all
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: over the place, and they killed two cops, Harry McGinnis
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and Wes Harryman, and the gang got out of there
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and wd his nickname was Little Forty. He was shot
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: in the side and recovered and they somehow, with those
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: old cars in the nineteen thirties, drove about six hundred
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: miles overnight to Shamrock, Texas.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: It's a long drive, yeah, because Clyde was a professional
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: getaway driver. He was really good at stealing cars and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: he was really good at driving cars fast.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, should we take a break, Yes, I.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Think that's a great idea.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Chuck, all right, we'll be right back with more on
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: B and C.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Burning Stoffy jaw Sh shows Soffi.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: S all right, So we're back with Bonnie and Clyde.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: They are starting to get a little bit of press
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: at this point, and the newspapers show up at the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: hide out in Joplin, Missouri, at the Airbnb once they
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: found out what was going on. They found you know, guns,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: they found this poem that Bonnie had written, which we'll
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: get to in a second little more detail. They found
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that undeveloped film, so you can imagine they developed that
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: film of these like soon to be infamous photos of
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Bonnie with a cigar and all this stuff, and it
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: was front page stuff, and like everybody was all of
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a sudden, like really kind of captured by the allure
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: of these gangsters.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because not only are they like doing you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: news paper article worthy crimes, getting away from the cops,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: killing cops. Now there's photos that they can run alongside
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of them. So everybody starts getting in on the act,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: not just the press, but also true crime magazines, newsreels.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Like they became famous overnight, Like they were already local
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: legends in Texas after those photos started getting published on
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the wire. That was when they just really became icons.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean attractive young lovers. They're having a good
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: time because in these photos they're like goofing off and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: having fun, so obviously just something that's going to capture
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the public's attention. They published that poem that you referenced earlier.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: This was called the Story of Suicide sal and I
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: read the poem. I'm sure you did too. She wrote
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: this in jail when she was briefly in jail in
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty two. And you know, it's an okay poem.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It's not the greatest thing in the world. But when
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I was reading it, I was like, I wonder if
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: anyone's ever put this to song. I was like, surely
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: someone has, and I went online. I was like, oh, yeah,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: there it is. And I went and played it and
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I was listening to it and it was this woman
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and it was like a country sort of version. I
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute. I was like this, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: bet this is not real. And I looked of course
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: it was freaking Ai from like February of this year,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: like all completely fake, and I was just it left
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a really nasty taste in my mouth.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, and well it should man, Yeah, you got
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: duped by AI. Somebody said, AI make a song out
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of this Bonnie Parker poem in the in the in
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the the style of Juice Newton.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It was more like, I don't know, I can't think
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of a country singer like.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: New country stuff like country pops.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't poppy. It sounded country. But the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: way the woman's the fake woman's voice, I don't we
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: want to call her a woman. The computer voice mm
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: was just super sort of modern Nashville polished. Yeah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope AI, when they take over, don't come
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: back and punish us for saying things derogatory things like
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: we've said about them over the years.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Remember, Yeah, I remember the guy on the train in
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Canada that I overheard talking about AI. Was on the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: ride from uh yeah, uh Ottawa to Toronto.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't remember what he said.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: He said, he's talking about AI. He's like, some people
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: don't like it, some people do like it. He's like,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I mean I can't wait for AI to get here,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: like it was coming to dinner. I was like, oh,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: it is here, my friend, Yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Sweet, sweet to get off the more often.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what, he knew a lot about
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: NHL hockey though.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I'll bet this, like basically every Canadian does. Yeah, one
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: thing about that poem too, So in it she uses
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a bunch of like slang, like like underworld slang basically yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: but it's still a serviceable poem, especially for a twenty
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: two year old who dropped out of school at fifteen.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's like a really good back
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of the envelope sketch of Bonnie's personality. She was very bright,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: she excelled in school, but she dropped out at fifteen,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and she was fascinated with the underworld and like outlaw
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: stuff so much so that she started living that life
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: because she found a guy who was living in that
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: life and she decided to be with them, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: So that was that's her basically encapsulated.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. So there the public again is
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: enthralled at this point. They're in like the true detective
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: mysteries magazines and stuff like that. In nineteen you mentioned
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that Clyde loved cars and like loved to boost them
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and also drive them, and he loved Fords, and he
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: wrote a letter in nineteen thirty four supposedly. I don't
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: think they verified it from him, but it certainly sounds
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: like it was to me. Wrote a letter to Henry
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Ford and he said. Part of the letter says, while
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I still have got breath in my lungs, I will
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: tell you what a dandy carr you make. I have
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: drove forwards exclusively when I could get away with one
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: for sustained speed and freedom from trouble. To Ford has
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: got every other car skin. There's your ad. And even
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: if my business hasn't been strictly legal, it don't hurt
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: anything to tell you what a fine car you got
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: in the V eight and judging from you know, we
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: later got poems from Clyde as well, and there are
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of misspellings and stuff. And I said he wasn't,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you know, the brightest bulb because of his upbringing, of course,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: but it sounds to me pretty legit.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think at least Henry Ford was like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: it's legit enough to have his secretary Kraft to thank
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you letter to sounds back pretty funny, yeah, And you
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: said that that like they were, you know, they become
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: popularizing true crime magazines in part as like folk heroes,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Like I said, at the outset, And one of the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: reasons why is they're committing these crimes at the height
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: of the depression or the depth of the depression. Yeah,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and people were rooting for people who did things like
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: rob banks because the banks were the villains at the time.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: They were foreclosing on like hard working, honest people, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: so if you robbed a bank, you kind of automatically
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: became a folk hero. And people like Bonnie and Clyde
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: so much that those true crime magazines basically attributed scores
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of bank robberies to them that they never did.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Apparently they were popular enough that banks would if they
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: got robbed, they'd be like, yeah, Bonnie and Clyde just
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: robbed us, just to have that brush with celebrity, even
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't them.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, get it in the paper for sure.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: They also, you know, they did kill a lot of cops,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: but they also let a lot go by way of
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: kind of taking them with them, which is technically kidnapping.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Sometimes cops sometimes civilians that would they would kidnap and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: then just drop them off in the middle of nowhere,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: basically so they didn't have to kill them, which you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that was a better choice, I guess. And they were
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: also like, you know, this is a time where you
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: get away with crime a lot easier and come and
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: go as a lot easier, just because of communications and
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the way things worked. And they would, you know, they'd
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: go home and like visit their families and stuff and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: not get caught, Like they didn't have their famili's homes
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: staked out at this point.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: No, But they were also really safe about it. They
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: were very smart, Like they write a message in a
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: coke bottle and just throw it out of the car
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: as they were driving past at their mom's house or whatever.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Like they were smart. They assumed the phones were tapped
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But if you're an outlaw that
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: are well known around those parts, just show up at
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: home is still pretty pretty risky, oh for sure. So
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: after Joplin, after the little vak in Joplin that ended
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: on a shootout with the cops and the death of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: two cops, they kept moving. They got back on the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: road and they were in a car wreck actually at
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: one point like a couple months later, and they it
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was a bad crash. The Clyde was going really fast.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: They rolled the car and Bonnie got third degree burns
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: on her leg. I saw from one account that she
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: was burned because the car caught on fire. Another account
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: said that it was acid from the battery. Either way,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: she had third degree burns down to her bones and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: no options about going and getting actual medical treatment. So
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: she had. She was in a lot of pain and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: limped and hopped and was carried in some cases for
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the rest of her life.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Why does it surprise me that cars had batteries? Then?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I think that was actually very new, and that was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons Clyde was able to steal so
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: many cars is because you could hot wire them. Now,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: oh okay, I think that was super new.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: All right, which is probably what it leaked all over Bunny.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I guess they didn't have the caps.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: No, They're like, just don't tip it over, don't roll
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: your car over, and everything should be fine, all.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Right, So good driver, except when he's crashing cars. Later
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: they wrapped. I think that was in June of thirty three,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: they robbed a store in Alma, Texas, another gunfight with
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: two cops, and they killed another cop, Marshall Henry D.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Humphrey escaped again in July. They were not at that Airbnb,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: but they went to a different one in Missouri, another guesthouse,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and the owner and I never had heard of this,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: but it makes sense if you, apparently back then, if
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you would back a car, and they called that like
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: gangster style because you want to get out of there quick,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: and that was sort of a just a red flag.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: So he noticed that they backed their car in the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: other thing he noticed to me a bigger tell is
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: they taped newspapers over the windows, and they paid for
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: their meals with coins. And it turns out some vending
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: machines nearby had been robbed. So this was all just like.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: The guy was like, well, maybe I should call the cops.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So they did. The cops came out. Guess what happened.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Another gunfight. Guess what happened. They escaped again, but this
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: time Buck Barrow his brother was wounded pretty badly and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Blanche was too. Blant's got charge of glass in her eyes,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing temporarily blinding her considering the jobs she had
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: later in life.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: She was blinded in at least one eye, so I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was permanent or not. Either. I
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: didn't see that anywhere. Yeah, so they actually made it.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: They escaped from this gunfight with the cops in Missouri,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and they made it all the way to Iowa, and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: they found like a park and were hanging laying low
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: in this park, trying to keep Buck alive and I
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: guess tending to Blanch as well. And again they backed
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: their car in gangster style, and that caught people's attention.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: They also left the car running when they went to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: town to buy supply.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Extra gangster for sure.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Either there, you just got places to be, you know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But I guess people were jumpy back then. Yeah, the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: cops showed up at the park. Somebody followed them or said,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: these people are staying at the park right now, fifty
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: cops show up. Another gun fight happens. This is like
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: a day or so, I think, after the first one,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and Blanche and Buck buckets hit again and He's like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I can't make it any further, you guys go on.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Blanche stays with Buck and they both get arrested. Bonnie
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Clyde and w D make their escape and they actually
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: get away. W D finally says like that's enough for me.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I'm done. He did the whole Blackjack dealers like I'm
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: out thing. Yeah, and he went home to Texas.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he goes home to Texas while Buck is arrested,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I think five days later he dies. So a big
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: brother is now gone, Blanche's husband, and when w D
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: goes home, he's arrested in pretty short order, I think
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: in November. And he told the cops like, yeah, I
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: was in the Barrow gang, but he said he was
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: forced into it, and because of that fact and because
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: he was a kid, they were fairly lenient on him.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: They sentenced ht to six years in prison.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I think WD kind of got the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: least of it to anybody because also at this time,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: like there are other people that they're kind of coming
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: up against doing some crimes with here there, they're going
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: in and out of prison, Yeah, pretty pretty frequently. And
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, because he was shorthanded, he
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: actually Clyde stage a prison break. Remember the old Eastham
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: prison farm that Clyde had learned to hate, and it
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: had changed Clyde essentially right. Well, he had people on
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the inside and he and a guy named Jimmy Mullins
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: busted these guys out. They busted out Henry Methvin, Joe Palmer,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: guy named Hilton Biby and Raymond Hamilton remember him from
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the earlier section. He had been captured and sent to prison,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and so they busted him out because Clyde needed more
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: help because now WD was gone and so was.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Buck Yes, and killed two guards in the process here,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: So that's two more down. I mean, the bodies are
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: stacking up at this point.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Well, one of those guards I think may have been
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: purposely killed because he was known as such a brutal guard.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: He would leave his post just to go beat inmates. Yeah,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: so it's probably not coincidence that he was one of
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the two that were killed during this.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Get one on the way out, all right, So the
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: gang is still on the run, and it feels like
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: it feels like the noose is tightening a little bit.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Like the original gangs now has partly died and been
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: in prison, so it's been splintered. Yeah, but they're soldiering
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: on with new people. And in April of thirty four,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Bonnie Clyde and Henry Methvin were in and he was
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: one of the guys they boosted from prison. Yeah can
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you say.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: That too, Yeah, you can boost somebody from prison.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Sure, okay, what about when you just give somebody a boost,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: like an emotional support? Where does that fit in?
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: That is see, I guess that would be Clark and somebody.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Clark made some good feelings. Yeah, so, uh, where
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: was I Henry Methin? They all went to grape Vine,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Texas At this point a couple of highway cops, highway
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: patrolmen saw thought they were stranded motorists and stopped to
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: help them out, and they killed them. So two more
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: cops dead. And then five days after that they killed
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: another cop in Oklahoma and kidnapped a police chief. So
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: things are getting really pretty intense at this point.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean three cops in two days, I think, Yeah,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that's or three cops and yeah, three days something like that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. So this was like, yeah, you kind of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: get the impression that things are starting to move really
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: really fast at this point. Right Raymond Hamilton, he was
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: recaptured I think by like a month or so after,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: but he'd already been involved in the murders of these
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: cops and like a bunch of other robberies and stuff.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So remember he had been busted out. So when he
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: was recaptured not only was he being re sentenced for
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: escaping prison, but also for all the crimes, including murder,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that he committed in the short like month or two
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that he was out. Yeah, he was sentenced to the
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Texas State Pen in Huntsville and placed on death row there. Yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: he also escaped there too, but he was recaptured again.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Do you know, heart, it's got to be to escape
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: from death row?
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: How hard?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Really hard?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: But he had already actually split ways with Bonnie and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Clyde when they finally recaptured him and sent him to Huntsville,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and they had had a falling out.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They ended up sending a letter to Hamilton in prison, yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: saying like, you know, you stole from us and you're
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: a coward. So yeah, it was a pretty bad breakup.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: It was. There was no love lost.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Should we break up this episode?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Oh? Good call?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll be back to finish up on Bonnie
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: and Clyde, right if you did.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Softly jawh sh.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Soft okay, Chuck. So you had said a little while
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: ago that one of the reasons they were able to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: be so successful is because they were there was a
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: there were a handful of reasons one. They typically kept
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: their targets pretty small. They were small towns, often mama
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: pop groceries, maybe like a gas station something like that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Every once in a while a bank. But remember like
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: all of their crimes were exaggerated, so they were supposedly
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: two of the greatest bank that ever lived, even though
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: they'd only done a couple of banks. So by making
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: their takes pretty small, I think the biggest take was
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like eighteen hundred, which is less than fifty grand today.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: That was far and away the biggest take. Sometimes they'd
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: make enough money just to buy some groceries or something
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: like that. They kept themselves small. They made themselves small targets.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: What made them huge targets was killing cops, you know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: like that definitely catches the attention of other cops. And
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: there was another Texas outlet named Willis Newton who said
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: killing that first cop, Eugene Moore, was their true undoing,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and then all the cops after that just made them
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: even bigger targets. But one of the other reasons they
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: were able to still get away even after killing all
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: those cops is because those cops and the different jurisdictions
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: were not coordinating in any way.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: No, I mean that didn't happen back then. It's not
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: like they were being stubborn. That was just not a
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: thing that had really come along yet, like working interstate
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: with one another or even inter county. Probably, yeah, BI
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't quite a thing yet. The Bureau of Investigation was
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and all they could. They did start investigating them the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I guess the BI in December of thirty two, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: did get a warrant in May of thirty three, but
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: it was only over interstate moving of the stolen cars.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: But they did get involved with the local cops and
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: start sort of providing information, providing support to like the
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: local cops and the state agencies as you know, part
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: of the eventual dragnet. And it seems like the cops
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: in Texas and Louisiana are the ones who really sort
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of got together finally to zero in on them and
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: focus on these guys. And when the Texas Rangers come
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: on the scene, that means things are really serious. And
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: that's what happened after that that second prison break. The
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Texas Rangers got together. This guy came out of retirement,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Captain Frank not Hammer, but Hamer. I guess he probably
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: he'd probably called himself the Hammer, and he was like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I'm coming out of retirement to get these guys and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: had a posse of six rangers and he's like, I've
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: killed fifty three dudes in my law enforcement career. So
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: it was really on at this point.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: It was he coordinated with a guy named Henderson Jordan,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: who was sheriff in a parish in Louisiana, Bienville Parish.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: And the reason he's significant is because Henry Methvin. Remember,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: he was one of the guys that got busted out
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: with Raymond Hamilton and some of the other guys and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: joined the gang. Methavin was now a part of the gang.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: He lived, his family lived in Bienville Parish, and supposedly
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Henderson Jordan, the sheriff, had been approached by Methvin's family,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: who were alarmed that he was wanted by the cops
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and with Bonnie and Clyde's notorious outlaws, and they said, look,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: we can get our son to cooperate. He was basically
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Daryl and Red Dawn essentially. Yeah, right, that's Daryl's dad's car,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: it's the mayor's car. So his family is like, we'll
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: get him to cooperate. But you got to give him
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Clement and see, but we'll get you Bonnie and Clyde
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: if you make sure our boy doesn't get the chair
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: for all this stuff. And so Frank Hamer and Henderson
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Jordan are like, let's make this happen. This was ultimately
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the downfall. Trusting Henry Methvin was what brought them to
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: their end.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm still mad at Darryl after all these years.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: The second you said Darryl from Red Dawn, I was
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, that.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Guy they picked, like a perfect actor for that guy
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: really suited that part.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was one of the bad socials in The
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Outsiders too.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that, so that fits. Did you
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: know that Si Hinton was a teenage girl? Wouldn't you
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: write the Outsiders?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: So they kind of figured out their route basically, and
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that Bonnie and Clyde were driving a lot to that
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Methven home in Louisiana on Highway one point fifty four.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: So in May of nineteen thirty four, they were like,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: all right, we really need to get this done. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: this is where the famous ambush happens. There, you know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: are different, like kind of disputing accounts of exactly how
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it went down, but it seems like they got Methan's
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: dad's car out on the road and parked it there
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: with a wheel removed, so they would be like, oh,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: that's your dad's car, Like, it looks like he needs help,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: so they would pull over. They had those six Texas Rangers.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: They had automatic rifles, and as soon as that Bonnie
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: and Clyde car showed up, they just started firing. They're like,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: we've seen enough of these guys work to not let
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: them open the doors, not try and arrest them or whatever,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: because they're going to be shooting at us. So they
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: just basically shot the crud out of this car and
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: to great effect. I mean, they murdered the cred out
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: They did, they got them.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bonnie was shot twenty six times, Clyde was shot
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: seventeen times. Further, Resharts says that it may have been
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: as many as fifty times. They were kids, you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: they were twenty three and twenty four years old, and
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: it was pretty gruesome and the people in the press
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: went wild over this ambush.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they towed the car with the bodies inside.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah too. Well, they also laid in wait and executed
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: them without giving them any chance to give themselves up.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: So at this point, basically anything's on the table, right. Yeah,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: So they towed the death car, and I guess it
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: essentially immediately became like a tourist attraction. They sent them
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: both back to Dallas for burial, and both of the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: funeral homes where they were they were each in a
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: different funeral home because Bonnie's mom, Emma was like you,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: in death, they can't have anything to do with one another.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I couldn't talk her out of being with them while
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: she was alive, but I'm calling the shots now that
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: she's dead, and I don't want her anywhere near him. Yeah,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: both of their funerals were thronged with onlookers. But even
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: before that, while their bodies were just basically hanging out
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: in the public, all these basically souvenir seekers were trying
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: to like cut off their body parts and stuff.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, just like looting what they could to
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: get a piece of the car, maybe to get a
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: like a blood soaked handkerchief or something like that. And yeah,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: supposedly some guy tried to cut off Clyde's ear Their
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: death photos are you know, you can look those up
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: if you have a strong stomach. They're pretty nasty, and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: their funerals attracted like thousands of people to come and
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: see the burials of Bonnie and Clyde. After they died.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: There was sort of a lot that went on. There
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: was a book initially from Bonnie's mother and Clyde's sister.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: They got together and wrote a book called Fugitives, colon
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the story of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker. They started
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: publishing more poems from Bonnie and Clyde. One from Bonnie
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: called The Trail's End or the Story of Bonnie and Clyde,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: and then another one that I mentioned earlier that Clyde
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: had written sort of as respect and both of them
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: they're kind of still talking about like, hey, we didn't
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: do all these crimes, were not as bad as everyone
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: makes us out to be. That kind of thing and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: key though in one of these Bonnie had requested, at
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: least in the poem, someday they'll go down together day
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: meaning them, and they'll bury them side by side. So
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: that seemed like that would have been her wish that
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: she did not.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Get no because her mom said, heck no, I read
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: his nephew and her niece maybe great niece have been
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: like trying to trying to draw up support to bury them,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: rebury them together, but it hasn't gotten anywhere.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as you know, I said, a lot happened.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Basically what happened from this point forward is the cops
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: were like, it's not good enough just to get like
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Bonnie and Clyde, Like, we got them, but we need
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: to just dragnet the whole operation. And so all of
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: their friends and family that were ever aiding in a
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: betting or anything like that were rounded up. I think
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Dallas police got twenty four family. Everybody was found guilty
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: and you know, not very long prison sentences. I think
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the max was like a couple of years. But they
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: wanted to get everyone who ever touched part of this
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: gang and put them away.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, yeah, two years for just basically
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: being friends with Bonnie and Clyde. That's a lot.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Raymond Hamilton aiding in a bedding is like, yeah, we
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: were just friends, right, right, Like they might have stayed
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: at my house and I might have given him food and.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Right and give them the cops, but like ammunition, and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that's what friends do. Raymond Hamilton and Joe Palmer, they
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: were both executed in Huntsville at the prison in Huntsville
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: on May tenth, nineteen thirty five. And Henry Methvin, he
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: was so there was this. I said, there was a
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: disputed murder of one of the patrol men. That farmer
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: who supposedly witnessed this, said that he saw Bonnie like
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: go over and execute the cop at point blank range,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: blowing his head off with the shotgun and making some
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: greasily tasteless remark about it. She supposedly wasn't.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Even I'm about to head out or something that would.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Have been good. No, something like a look of there
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: his head bounced like a rubber ball or something like that. Right,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: So the kind of thing where you're like, wow, she's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: really despicable. And of course everybody printed it because this
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: farmer said he saw it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: What historians now believe is that it was actually Henry
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Methvin who actually did the killing, and the reason why
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: he wasn't implicated was because his family's plan to bring
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in Bonnie and Clyde was already in motion. So now
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the authorities had to cover up his murder of a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: cop before he could turn in Bonnie and Clyde, so
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: that it was attributed to her and almost certainly wasn't her.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Methan was eventually paroled in forty two and died
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: six years after that. And the story is he was
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: hit by a train. He was either drunk and got
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: hit by a train or maybe he was shoved into
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: a train and murdered, but no one was ever tapped
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: for that. As far as Blanche, she was Bucks, you know,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Clyde's sister in law and Buck's wife who was blinded
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: in one eye. She served six years, was proled in
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: thirty nine and wrote her book, My Life with Bonnie
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: and Clyde No Colin's and went back to Dallas and
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: you know, lived a life there, worked as a taxi
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: dispatcher and a beautician, cared for her dad, got married again.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: The death car eventually, you know, it would end up
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: at Buffalo Bill's resorting casino in prem Nevada. I think
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: that's where it is now, But for a while it
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: was you know a lot of this stuff, like the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: guns and the cars, like everyone wanted a piece of this.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I think everyone knew it was going to be worth
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of money, so various family members had to
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: sue various institutions to get this stuff back. And in
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the case of the guns, Clyde's mom was like, I
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: want those guns back because Clyde had never been convicted
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: of the murders, like he was just shot in cold blood,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: So I want those guns back. And I think the car,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: like the original car owner Ruth Warren, was like, Hey,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that was my car to begin with. Yeah, the cops
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: can't keep that thing, so she sooned to get it
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: back and got it back.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And before it ended up at the Prim Valley
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Casino resort, it was a traveling amusement at like circuses
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and carnivals and state fairs and stuff.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know entirely that we would just know and
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: everybody would be walking around knowing that there was such
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: a couple as Bonnie and Clyde were it not for
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: that nineteen sixty seven movie starring Fade Unaway and Warren Beatty.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I never saw the movie, so it's not like my
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: understanding of them comes directly from it, but all the
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: people it informed, I think it brought them back up
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: into the popular culture again and they never really left
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: since then.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: It's a good movie. The great Arthur Penn was the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: director who had another Stuff you Should Know connection, and
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: that he directed The Miracle Work as well.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, that's he's basically a friend of the podcast.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Then yeah, two Stuff you Should Know movies. A good
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: movie though, but it was the year after the Hayes
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Code ended, you know, the movie Codes that tried to
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: rein in sex and violence, and so there was a
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: lot of sex and violence in this movie and glamorization
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: of crime and stuff like that. And that ambush scene
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: is like a sort of a legendary film scene because
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: it shows it all and it's pretty gory. But it
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: was a It was a big, big movie, and I
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: think a lot of gangster movies kind of started coming
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: around in its wake because it was so popular.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was huge in the UK apparently, and it
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: set the stage for other bloody movies to come, everything
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: from The Wild Bunch two years later, to Pulp Fiction,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: which was originally written by Eleanor Roosevelt, to basically every
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: violent movie you've ever seen. Bonnie and Clyde essentially set
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the stage for that that's right.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. If I'm ever near prim Nevada,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go over to Buffalo Bill's Resort and Casino
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: to check that car out.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Uh, I'd like to see that and his death shirt too.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah they got a shirt.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. I mean it's full of holes.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not in a bad plot sort of way.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Boy, you're pulling all those ingers today, aren't you? That
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: little shorty for w D or a little forty?
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? Did you catch that one?
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I was killing Uh you got any other little zingers?
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I got no other zingers?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then that means this is the end of
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the road for Bonnie and Clyde as far as stuff
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: you should know goes. And I think that means it's
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  Speaker 1: time for listener mail.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, and uh, we did not plan this everyone,
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  Speaker 2: but here's the listener mail. Hey guys, I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: share a moment from the Eleanor Roosevelt episode that gets
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  Speaker 2: a gold star for Josh. I have a long history
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  Speaker 2: of Josh like moments where I will add in an absurd,
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  Speaker 2: impossible fact when talked to my wife, such as a
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  Speaker 2: local construction site being a dining with your pets restaurant
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  Speaker 2: or coming or a Lava Fields in the California Desert
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  Speaker 2: being a huge disposal site for used asphalt. And my wife,
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  Speaker 2: over twenty five years of marriage, has become very canny
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  Speaker 2: about my quote unquote facts, and it's very difficult to
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  Speaker 2: fooler anymore. However, when Josh said in her writings Eleanor
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  Speaker 2: Roosevelt wrote an initial treatment that became the script of
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  Speaker 2: pulp Fiction, I saw my wife process that fact for
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  Speaker 2: about ten seconds with narrow eyes and complete confusion, followed
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  Speaker 2: by a loud no. So thank you Josh for that
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  Speaker 2: magic moment, and thank you both for all you do.
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  Speaker 2: Very long time listener, I started listening when there were
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  Speaker 2: only about one hundred back episode, so one hundred episodes
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  Speaker 2: in and that is from Sam and Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. Thanks Sam, And yeah that wasn't planned. How what
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  Speaker 1: a coincidence? Huh.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as you said it, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: boo ah, I'm just going to be so excited.
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  Speaker 1: And I was and I still will be, probably for
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  Speaker 1: hours after this, Sam and Lisa, Right, that's right. Sam
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  Speaker 1: and Lisa, thanks for the email. Thanks for listening to
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  Speaker 1: us for so long too, And if you want to
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  Speaker 1: be like Sam and Lisa and send us an email.
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