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The Opinions Of Elon Musk and Jack Ma About The (AI) Artificial Intelligence!!! · Elon Musk Thinking

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  Speaker 1: What are you supposed to say just things about AI? Perhaps, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the AI, right, you want to study orner AI?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is okay, great AI.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Actually I'm told that this A I mean love, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's like a name AI.
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  Speaker 3: It sort of sounds a bit like love. Yeah, A.
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  Speaker 2: I I hate the word AI called artificient intelligence. I
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  Speaker 2: call it ali baba intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, might might end up being true, you never know.
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  Speaker 1: I think generally people underestimate the the capability of capability
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  Speaker 1: of AI. They sort of think like it's a smart human,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's really much it's gonna be much more
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  Speaker 1: than that. It would be much smarter than the smartest human. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it would be like you know, if like can a
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  Speaker 1: chimpanzee really understand humans? Not really, you know that just
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  Speaker 1: we just seem like strange aliens. They mostly just care
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  Speaker 1: about other chimpanzees. And this will be how it is
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  Speaker 1: more or less in a relative In fact, if it's
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  Speaker 1: if the difference is only that small, that would be amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Probably it's much much greater.
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  Speaker 1: So like the biggest mistake that I see artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 1: researchers making is assuming that they're intelligent. Yeah, they're not
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  Speaker 1: compared to AI, and so like a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: cannot imagine something smarter than themselves. But AI will be
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  Speaker 1: vastly smarter, vastly So what do you do with the
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  Speaker 1: situation like that? What do you do with situation like that?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, you know, I hope they're nice. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I have obviously some you know, I think in
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  Speaker 1: a situation where if you you know, they all saying
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  Speaker 1: if you can't, if you can't beat them, join them,
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  Speaker 1: you know. That's what neuralink is about, is like can
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  Speaker 1: we go along for the ride with AI? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I really think that there should be other companies like neurallink,
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  Speaker 1: essentially to create a high bandwidth interface to the brain
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  Speaker 1: because the.
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  Speaker 3: Right right now, we are already a cyborg.
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  Speaker 1: People don't realize we are already a cyborg because we
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  Speaker 1: are so well integrated with our phones and our computers. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the phone is almost like an extension of yourself. If
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  Speaker 1: you forget your phone, it's like a missing limb. But
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  Speaker 1: the band with the communication bandwidth to the phone is
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  Speaker 1: very low, especially input. So in fact, input bandwidth to
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  Speaker 1: computers has actually gone down because of typing with two
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  Speaker 1: thumbs as opposed to ten fingers as a big reduction
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  Speaker 1: in bandwidth. Input bandwidth has gone up because of video
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  Speaker 1: and imagery, so input bandwidth as many orders of magnitude
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  Speaker 1: greater than output bandwidth. But at a certain point, if
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  Speaker 1: we're just assuming a benign scenario with AI, we will
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  Speaker 1: just be too slow.
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  Speaker 3: To something.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say a computer that has like an exoflop of
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  Speaker 1: you know, many extra flops of computer capability. A millisecond
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  Speaker 1: is an eternity and to us it's nothing. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think I always think like human speech to a
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  Speaker 1: computer will sound like very slow tonal wheezing. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like whale sounds. Yeah, you know, because what's up
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  Speaker 1: band with like a few hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Vision about the technology. I'm not the tech guy. I
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  Speaker 2: think I'm all about life. I think AI is going
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  Speaker 2: to open a new chapter of the society of the
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  Speaker 2: world that people try to understand ourselves better rather than
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  Speaker 2: the side wade. And it's so difficult to predict the future.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine nine percent of the predictions that
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  Speaker 2: human being had in history about the future.
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  Speaker 3: All wrong, including that one.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, only you know, the zero point zero zero
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  Speaker 4: percent of the prediction are right.
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  Speaker 3: They're right because by accident.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also true that eighty percent of statistics
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  Speaker 1: are false.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So my meaning is room, Come on, guys, there's
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  Speaker 3: a joke.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy about the artificial intelligence or ali baba intelligence
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  Speaker 2: that's going to understand a human, the insight of the
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  Speaker 2: human better. So when people worry a lot about artificial intelligence,
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  Speaker 2: people should have more confidence in themselves because I think
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  Speaker 2: if a lot of solutions we don't have today, but
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  Speaker 2: there will be solutions tomorrow. We don't have solutions for
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  Speaker 2: the young, people will have solutions. So I'm quite optimistic
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think artificial intelligence is a threat. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think at official intelligence is something terrible, but human
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  Speaker 2: being are smart enough to learn that. And to me,
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  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence is just like people worry a lot about
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  Speaker 2: this today. Are those people I called them called called
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  Speaker 2: college smartness. People like us straight smart We're never scared
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  Speaker 2: of that. We think it's a great fun and we
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  Speaker 2: want to change ourselves to embrace it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that's like famous last words. Let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you AI, I mean, you know, gets sort
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  Speaker 1: of the rate of advancement just in general, the rate
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  Speaker 1: of advancement of computers is insane, and like a good
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  Speaker 1: example would be video games.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you're back forty years ago, fifty years ago,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you had.
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  Speaker 1: Pong that was just two rectangles in a square. Now
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  Speaker 1: you've got forty realistic, real time simulations with millions of
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  Speaker 1: people playing simultaneously. If you assume any rate of improvement
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  Speaker 1: at all, the I mean, these games will be indistinguishable
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  Speaker 1: from reality. You will not be able to tell the difference.
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  Speaker 1: Either that or civilization will end. Those are the two options.
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  Speaker 1: But even if the rate of technology improvements slowed down
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  Speaker 1: by a thousand then okay, advance a thousand years.
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  Speaker 3: Or ten thousand years. This is still very tiny. I
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  Speaker 3: mean civilization.
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  Speaker 1: Civilization has been around for probably arguably I think seven
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  Speaker 1: thousand years or something like that. If you counted from
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  Speaker 1: the first time there was any any writing, any recorded
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  Speaker 1: symbols besides k paintings, there's a very tiny amount of time.
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  Speaker 1: Considering the universe is thirteen point eight billion years old.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if civilization lasted for a million years, we
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  Speaker 1: would only increment the third decimal point after thirteen point
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  Speaker 1: eight billion years if we lasted for a million years,
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  Speaker 1: So that seems like a long time. Given that we've
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  Speaker 1: only been around for seven thousand years, it's been pretty
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  Speaker 1: it's been kind of a roller coaster on the civilization front. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to be I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: naturally optimistic person. To be clear, I'm not saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: doom and gloom. I'm just saying that this is the
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  Speaker 1: apparent pattern. The rate of change of technology is incredibly fast.
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  Speaker 1: It is outpacing our ability to understand it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure is that good or bad? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it seemed to me some time ago that
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  Speaker 1: you could sort of think of humanity as a biological
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  Speaker 1: bootloader for digital superintelligence if IF for those who know
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  Speaker 1: what a bootloader is, the very tiny piece of code
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  Speaker 1: without which the computer cannot start. But it's it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of like the minimal bit of code necessary for a
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  Speaker 1: computer to start. Like you couldn't evolve silicon circuits, they
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  Speaker 1: needed to be a biology to get there.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, let's talk about something fun. I'm a demnd
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  Speaker 2: that you want to go on the Mars.
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  Speaker 3: So we go to the Mars? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So what will the life look like on Mars?
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  Speaker 2: Are you both moving. What are thing about that? Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not interested in Mars. I just came back from
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  Speaker 2: their soul. I'm more interested on the Earth, the things,
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  Speaker 2: what's going on happening here? So why you are so
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  Speaker 2: curious about the Mars?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the thing about Mars is that I
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  Speaker 1: think it's important for us to take the set of
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  Speaker 1: actions that are most likely to continue consciousness into the future.
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  Speaker 1: What increases the probability of consciousness of continuing into the future.
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  Speaker 3: I think we should not take it for granted that.
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  Speaker 1: Consciousness will continue because we have not encountered any aliens.
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  Speaker 1: Where are the aliens? This is the Filmi paradox. This
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most important questions. How come we've
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  Speaker 1: not found any aliens? As people out there think we've
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  Speaker 1: found aliens, trust me, I would know we have not. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: people ask me to be to area fifty one. Okay, please,
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  Speaker 1: SpaceX actually has area fifty nine.
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  Speaker 3: It's even better, eight better than fifty one.
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  Speaker 1: So, among the set of actions we can take that
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  Speaker 1: are likely to increase the scope and scale of consciousness
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  Speaker 1: such that we are better able to understand the nature
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  Speaker 1: of the universe, one of those actions is to become
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  Speaker 1: a multiplanet species, or ensure that life is multiplanetary, not
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  Speaker 1: because I think something that it's not from the standpoint
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  Speaker 1: of it just being an escape hatch, or because I
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  Speaker 1: think that Earth is doomed, but there's a certain probability
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  Speaker 1: that is irreducible that something may happen to Earth despite
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  Speaker 1: our best intentions, despite everything we try to do, there's
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  Speaker 1: a probability at a certain point that some either external
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  Speaker 1: force or some internal unforced error causes civilization to be
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  Speaker 1: destroyed or sports efficiently impaired such that it can no
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  Speaker 1: longer extend.
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  Speaker 3: To another planet. It's hard to say.
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  Speaker 1: Put another way, this is the first time in the
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  Speaker 1: four and a half billion year history of Earth that
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  Speaker 1: it's been possible to extend life beyond Earth.
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  Speaker 3: Before this, it was not possible. How long will this
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  Speaker 3: window be open.
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  Speaker 1: It may be opened for a long time, or it
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  Speaker 1: may be open for a short time. I think it
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  Speaker 1: would be wise to assume that it is open for
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  Speaker 1: a short time, and then let us secure the future,
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  Speaker 1: secure the future of consciousness such that life of the
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  Speaker 1: light of consciousness is not extinguished, and we should try.
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  Speaker 3: To do this as quickly as possible. That's my view.
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  Speaker 2: Good it's so difficult to secure the future of the Earth,
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  Speaker 2: but we can secure the future of next one hundred years.
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  Speaker 2: I am am not the person that demire your courage
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  Speaker 2: to explore the Mars, but I admire a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people spend efforts on improving the Earth. It's it's great
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  Speaker 2: to send one million people to the Mars, but we
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  Speaker 2: have to care about the seven point four billion people
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  Speaker 2: on the Earth.
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  Speaker 3: How can we.
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  Speaker 2: Make the world most sustainable. And I'm not that fond
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  Speaker 2: of the Mars because I think it's easy to go
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  Speaker 2: to the Mars. When you go on the top of
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  Speaker 2: the hills of the building, just the one step you
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  Speaker 2: go to the Mars.
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  Speaker 3: But we will never be able to come back. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but that's.
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  Speaker 2: Also I hate to go to Himalayas too. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: when you climb on the I think someday I will
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  Speaker 2: go there. When the elevator is ready, I would go
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  Speaker 2: there have a look. But I have I think people
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  Speaker 2: spending more time on the Earth think about it, because
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  Speaker 2: no matter how long the civilization of the human beings
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  Speaker 2: would be like one minute or two million or half
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  Speaker 2: million years. But we only have one hundred years, so
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  Speaker 2: we cannot solve all the problems for future. But we
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  Speaker 2: have to be responsible for the future, but we should
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  Speaker 2: care more about how we can enjoy better. My view
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  Speaker 2: is that by the artificial intelligence or AI, when human
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  Speaker 2: beings understand ourselves better, then we can improve the water better.
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  Speaker 2: Last two hundred years, human being tried to understand the
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  Speaker 2: other side world better, understand the other people better. But
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  Speaker 2: I think what I feel excited about AI is that
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  Speaker 2: AI is to understand the people, the inside of the
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  Speaker 2: human beings the Earth.
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  Speaker 4: I heard you're gonna dig eternal and deep in the earth,
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  Speaker 4: which is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: Anyhow, every time when I read the news about you
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  Speaker 2: are interested in the size space. I look at you
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  Speaker 2: with great respect. We need a hero's like a you,
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  Speaker 2: but we need more heroes like us working hard on
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  Speaker 2: the Earth, improving things every day.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I want. Sure. I mean to be clear,
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  Speaker 3: I'm very pro Earth. Great. That sounds great to clear up.
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  Speaker 1: Very pro Earth when I say, you know, us becoming
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  Speaker 1: a multiplanet species or making life multi, extending life beyond Earth,
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  Speaker 1: expanding the scope and scale of consciousness. From a resource standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about less than one percent of Earth's resources
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  Speaker 1: should be dedicated to making life multiplanetary or making consciousness multiplanetary.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I think it should be like somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in between how much we spend on lipstick and how
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  Speaker 1: much we spend on healthcare like that, you know, things
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  Speaker 1: like for the preservation of consciousness, we should spend maybe
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  Speaker 1: slightly more than we spend on cosmetics.
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  Speaker 3: That's my you know, And I'm pro cosmetics. I like it,
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  Speaker 3: They're great, But.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is probably worth spending I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: some like at least half a percent of earth GDP
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  Speaker 1: on extending life to be multiplanetary. Maybe one percent, I'd say,
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  Speaker 1: seems like a good a good use of resources. And
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen you know, we have like towards magnitude more
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  Speaker 1: resources spent on Earth, so it's not like it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: somehow gonna fundamentally impair Earth. If if likes just one
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  Speaker 1: percent of earth resources on that order should be enough
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  Speaker 1: to make like multiplanetary. It seems like a wise investment
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  Speaker 1: for the future. And obviously I spend a lot of
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  Speaker 1: my time on sustainable energy with Tesla, with uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: electric cars and solar and batteries and that kind of thing,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to be here in Shanghai for
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  Speaker 1: the Shanghai Giga Factory, which is I think that Tesla
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  Speaker 1: China team has done an amazing job, really mind blowing.
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  Speaker 1: Like I've just a downded by how good the job
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  Speaker 1: is and how much progress has been made. And I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a good story for the world and to say, like, look,
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  Speaker 1: look how much progress you can make in China.
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  Speaker 3: This is extremely impressive. Like my head is off. You know,
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  Speaker 3: your guys rock So.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen anything but so fast in my life before.
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  Speaker 1: To be totally frank, I've seen some crazy things, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think it's like I really think China
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  Speaker 1: is the future. Well, that's very impressive, and there's also
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  Speaker 1: some great progress on entrepreneurial rocket companies in China as well.
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  Speaker 1: I believe too have made orbit. It's very difficult, very
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  Speaker 1: hard to make orbit. Shei'ld make orbits. I have great respect.
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  Speaker 1: This is very hard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pick up another topic, sure, yeah, job or I
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  Speaker 2: pick it jobs.
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  Speaker 4: Jobs for life?
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  Speaker 2: So what new jobs will be created because of AI
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  Speaker 2: or has the change already started?
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  Speaker 4: What do you think I think why we needed that
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  Speaker 4: many jobs?
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  Speaker 3: Haha? Sure?
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  Speaker 4: Right? My view is the jobs actually every technology revolution.
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  Speaker 2: People start to worry. Right last two hundred years, we
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  Speaker 2: worry about the new technology is going to take away
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  Speaker 2: all the jobs. Actually we made a lot of jobs. Second,
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  Speaker 2: because of the industry revolution, job created a lot of jobs.
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  Speaker 2: What I think is the next to twenty thirty years,
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  Speaker 2: human being will live much longer. The life science technology
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  Speaker 2: is going to make people live probably one hundred, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred twenty years. That may not be a good thing
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  Speaker 2: because you get grandfather's grandfather's still working hard.
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  Speaker 4: But the challenge is my question, why shouldn't we have
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  Speaker 4: a lot of jobs.
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  Speaker 2: I think people should work three days a week, four
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  Speaker 2: hours a day.
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  Speaker 3: Where we have electricity.
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  Speaker 2: The power of electricity is that we make people more time.
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  Speaker 2: So you can go to the cola okay in the evening,
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  Speaker 2: you can go to the dancing party in the evening.
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  Speaker 2: So because of electricity, people have more time. I think
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  Speaker 2: because of artificial intelligence, people will have more time enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: being human beings in your life. In my life, I
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  Speaker 2: think I visit the probably three hundred cities in my life.
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  Speaker 2: My grand my father visited thirty cities. My grandfather will
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  Speaker 2: visit only three cities.
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  Speaker 4: So my grandchildren probhibit probably will visit the three thousand cities.
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  Speaker 4: Always life, he's always on the tesla, he's always on
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  Speaker 4: the robots, always traveling around. So I don't think we
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  Speaker 4: need a lot of jobs at that time. The jobs
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  Speaker 4: we need is make people happier, people experience the life,
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  Speaker 4: enjoy the human beings. So I don't worry about the
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  Speaker 4: job jobs a lot. First, we are going to have
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  Speaker 4: a lot of jobs. Second, we don't need a lot
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  Speaker 4: of jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Third, there's a very interesting thing because we'll probably talk
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  Speaker 2: about life. In the agriculture period, average age is like
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  Speaker 2: a thirty thirty five years old. In the industry period
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  Speaker 2: technology revolution, people can live seventy years. So in the
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  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence period people can live one hundred to the
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  Speaker 2: years that I think now the problem comes.
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  Speaker 3: When people's life is getting better. People don't want to
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  Speaker 3: have children.
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  Speaker 4: Where grand grandfather is there, you don't want to have
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  Speaker 4: children at that time, we are going to have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of jobs with nobody want. Old guys for sure
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  Speaker 4: be happy or you were happy because when your grand
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  Speaker 4: grandfather said, oh I need to work tomorrow, then that's
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  Speaker 4: a disaster. So but we should be ready that we
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  Speaker 4: are going to enter into the area that everybody can
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  Speaker 4: live one hundreds of years and we have a new
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  Speaker 4: more new problems that come up.
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  Speaker 3: So that's my view about jobs. Don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 3: We will have jobs.