Latest / DISGRACELAND / The Cramps: Zombies, Teenage Werewolves, and Rock ‘N’ Roll Saviors
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of double Elvis. Wello Ghuls and Goblins,
- 0:06Speaker 1: and salutations to all.
- 0:08Speaker 2: You creepy cats and kittens.
- 0:09Speaker 1: This is a special Halloween episode of Disgraceland on the
- 0:13Speaker 1: one and only Kings and Queens of rock and roll.
- 0:17Speaker 2: The Cramps.
- 0:18Speaker 3: This is if you can try to imagine a fun,
- 0:21Speaker 3: not so serious look at sexually charged burning corpses, seventeen stories, suicides,
- 0:27Speaker 3: zombies who can't dance, human flies, and teenage werewolves. This
- 0:32Speaker 3: is not a scholarly look at the cultural significance of
- 0:35Speaker 3: Lux Interiors and Poison Ivy's musical output.
- 0:39Speaker 1: This is, like I said, nothing more than a Halloween.
- 0:42Speaker 3: Hoo inspired by the incredible music and wild career of
- 0:46Speaker 3: the original Halloween heads, The Cramps.
- 0:50Speaker 2: Hope you can dig it mellow.
- 0:59Speaker 1: This is the story of one of the greatest rock
- 1:01Speaker 1: and roll bands of all time, The Cramps, a band
- 1:04Speaker 1: who's singer Lux Interior and guitarist Poison Ivy Rorshak dedicated
- 1:10Speaker 1: their lives to the mission of saving rock and roll,
- 1:13Speaker 1: a mission that was challenged by soulless zombies, confused by
- 1:18Speaker 1: burning corpses, bled dry by a vampire, and for a
- 1:22Speaker 1: time smothered by giant radioactive cockroaches. But it's also a
- 1:28Speaker 1: story about great music, Unlike that music I played for
- 1:33Speaker 1: you at the top of the show that wasn't great music.
- 1:37Speaker 1: That was a preset loop for my melotron called Shah
- 1:40Speaker 1: Shah Shasha Tussi MK one. I played you that loop
- 1:46Speaker 1: because I can't afford the rights to shadow Dancing by
- 1:50Speaker 1: Andy Gibb. And why would I play you that specific
- 1:53Speaker 1: slice of sunken nut cheese? Could I afford it? Because
- 1:58Speaker 1: that was the number one song in America on June thirteenth,
- 2:03Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, and that was the day of The
- 2:06Speaker 1: Cramps played a live set at a mental institution in
- 2:09Speaker 1: northern California, creating a myth that would challenge the definition
- 2:14Speaker 1: of what it means to be rock and week on
- 2:18Speaker 1: this episode, Zombies, corpses, vampires, radioactive cockroaches, and saving rock
- 2:25Speaker 1: and roll with the Cramps. I'm Jake Brennan in this
- 2:31Speaker 1: this Disgraceland. Unless something is done, and done quickly, rock
- 3:09Speaker 1: and roll will cease to exist in a year. Forest
- 3:19Speaker 1: Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery is not your average cemetery. Located
- 3:24Speaker 1: six miles outside Hollywood, It's the eternal home to some
- 3:28Speaker 1: of the biggest names from Tinseltown's famed history. There's Sammy
- 3:32Speaker 1: Davis Junior's headstone, Sammy the known Satanist, and there's Errol
- 3:37Speaker 1: Flynn's grave. Back in the early days of Hollywood, Errol
- 3:41Speaker 1: was one of the movie business's biggest stars. He was
- 3:44Speaker 1: also a pedophile. Some believe Walt Disney is buried here.
- 3:49Speaker 1: He has a burial plot, but most believe his head
- 3:52Speaker 1: was severed from his body after death, cryogenically frozen and
- 3:56Speaker 1: stored in an undisclosed location in Disneyland. Lawn Cheney, the
- 4:01Speaker 1: Phantom of the Opera, rests anonymously in an unmarked grave,
- 4:05Speaker 1: and Lawn Cheney's son, Lawn Cheney Junior, who famously played
- 4:09Speaker 1: the werewolf in Universals nineteen forty one classic The Wolfman, Well,
- 4:14Speaker 1: his body does not rest anonymously next to his famous
- 4:17Speaker 1: fathers Old Lawn Cheney Junior donated his body to science
- 4:22Speaker 1: after drinking a pinacolata at Trader Vicks. The Cramp's Frontman,
- 4:27Speaker 1: Luck's interior and his partner not just in crime, but
- 4:31Speaker 1: in life, in love, and in art Poison Ivy the
- 4:34Speaker 1: Cramps Inimitable guitarist and for all intents and purposes, producer.
- 4:39Speaker 1: This duo knew about donating their bodies, their lives, even
- 4:44Speaker 1: to something bigger than themselves. Lux and Ivy loved each other,
- 4:49Speaker 1: but for the better part of two decades, they sacrificed
- 4:52Speaker 1: everything for the one thing in this world that they
- 4:55Speaker 1: both loved the most, rock and roll. Put more specifically,
- 5:00Speaker 1: the Cramps dedicated their lives to saving rock and roll life,
- 5:06Speaker 1: though was fleeting here in Glendale in their apartment near
- 5:10Speaker 1: the cemetery, as they carefully cruised through their well cultivated
- 5:13Speaker 1: record collection. A rock and roll archive is a dream
- 5:18Speaker 1: thousands of obscure fifties and sixties forty five's organized by
- 5:22Speaker 1: niche genre rockabilly, bop, music, beat combos, dou WoT, garage, novelty,
- 5:28Speaker 1: and surf by the likes of artists like Charlie Feathers,
- 5:32Speaker 1: Bo Diddley, the Paramounts, the Flamingos, the Sonics, the trash Men,
- 5:36Speaker 1: and Link Ray a lifetime's work of collecting. Most of
- 5:41Speaker 1: these artists were already long gone, as dead as Sammy
- 5:44Speaker 1: and Lon Cheney Junior and the rest, but their music
- 5:48Speaker 1: lived on. Rock and roll was still very much alive
- 5:52Speaker 1: as long as Lux and Ivy had something to say
- 5:54Speaker 1: about it. But death was in the air. Literally that
- 6:00Speaker 1: smell like burning tires, but with a strange sweetness to it.
- 6:06Speaker 1: Something was on fire. Ivy called the fire department, which
- 6:11Speaker 1: responded quickly and reminded Ivy and Lux ominously of how
- 6:15Speaker 1: close they lived to the cemetery. The burning smell was
- 6:19Speaker 1: the crematorium. That strange sweet scent was burning flesh. It
- 6:26Speaker 1: coated their neighborhood. Some nights brought down an eerie, depressing feeling,
- 6:32Speaker 1: but not as depressing as the television. Television used to
- 6:36Speaker 1: be hours and hours of horror movies and monster flicks,
- 6:40Speaker 1: b films that aimed their subversiveness at teenagers coming of
- 6:44Speaker 1: age in the early nineteen sixties, taking their cues from
- 6:48Speaker 1: the subversive comics of the forties and fifties, the Vaults
- 6:52Speaker 1: of Horror, and the tales from the crips. But now,
- 6:56Speaker 1: aside from the occasional off market creature double feature, the
- 7:00Speaker 1: fun and fantastical monsters were hard to come by. TV
- 7:04Speaker 1: was twenty four to seven cable news, hateful narratives spun
- 7:08Speaker 1: by squares to trick you into thinking your neighbors were
- 7:11Speaker 1: the monsters. TV was hair and makeup evangelists, hypocritically moralizing
- 7:17Speaker 1: from the pulpit. TV was the dreaded MTV. MTV music television,
- 7:26Speaker 1: a concept that started out pure back in the early eighties,
- 7:29Speaker 1: back when The Cramps were a young band, Back when
- 7:32Speaker 1: some of the Cramp's friends and quote unquote punk rock
- 7:35Speaker 1: contemporaries Blondie and The Gogs, to name a few, or
- 7:39Speaker 1: themselves young bands.
- 7:41Speaker 2: MTV helped rocket.
- 7:43Speaker 1: These bands into superstardom, but had now a decade later,
- 7:48Speaker 1: evolved or devolved, depending on your point of view, away
- 7:52Speaker 1: from the heady, avant garde fringes of the television medium
- 7:56Speaker 1: into a corporate advertising behemos. To lux that meant MTV
- 8:02Speaker 1: was dead, as dead as those bodies burning out beyond
- 8:06Speaker 1: their backyard.
- 8:08Speaker 2: MTV had nothing to.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Do anymore with the rock and rollers who came up
- 8:11Speaker 1: through the punk and new wave scenes. These days, MTV.
- 8:16Speaker 2: Truly had nothing to do with rock and roll at all.
- 8:19Speaker 1: Sure, MTV buttered its bread with rock artists, but not
- 8:23Speaker 1: with rock and roll. Rock and roll was sex. Rock
- 8:28Speaker 1: was stiff. Rock and roll, in Luxe's estimation, was meant
- 8:32Speaker 1: to horrify adults. And please teenagers. Rock was Billboard charts
- 8:38Speaker 1: and big business. Rock and roll was supposed to separate
- 8:41Speaker 1: the squares from the cool people rock bands like U
- 8:45Speaker 1: two and The Police and Genesis, bands MTV featured regularly. Now,
- 8:50Speaker 1: these bands were so square and their square minions in
- 8:54Speaker 1: the rock press called the Cramp sexist because of their
- 8:57Speaker 1: dangerous rock and roll song titles like Can Your Pussy
- 9:01Speaker 1: Do the Dog, which was ironic given that the Cramps
- 9:04Speaker 1: were the very definition of feminism, the co creation of
- 9:08Speaker 1: one of the greatest female rock and roll guitar players ever,
- 9:11Speaker 1: whose creativity shaped The Cramps into a singular and wholly
- 9:15Speaker 1: unique band within the history of rock and roll. Ken
- 9:19Speaker 1: Your Pussy Do the Dog wasn't sexist. It was rock
- 9:23Speaker 1: and roll. It was dangerous, the way rock and roll
- 9:27Speaker 1: is supposed to be, the way Iggy pop and Rufus
- 9:31Speaker 1: Thomas and Big Mama Thornton meant for it to be.
- 9:34Speaker 1: Rock and roll wasn't supposed to be. Staying on MTV
- 9:37Speaker 1: accepting a fucking award for his humanitarian efforts for saving
- 9:41Speaker 1: some goddamn rainforest, Lux turned the TV off in disgusted
- 9:47Speaker 1: and went back to his forty fives. He grabbed a
- 9:50Speaker 1: less obscure title, the Flamingos nineteen fifty nine hit I
- 9:54Speaker 1: Only Have Eyes for You and Me put it on
- 9:56Speaker 1: the turntable. The eerie u op baritone vocal behind the
- 10:02Speaker 1: duop duop chorus was dirty. It affected him like a drug,
- 10:07Speaker 1: an aphrodisiac. Actually, the trippiness of the track brought him
- 10:12Speaker 1: back back to a time when rock and roll reigned supreme,
- 10:17Speaker 1: back to his teenage delinquent days in suburban Ohio in
- 10:20Speaker 1: the early sixties. The clothes were tight and black, all black, Lux,
- 10:29Speaker 1: back before he invented the moniker Luck's interior and still
- 10:32Speaker 1: answered to his god given name, Eric Perkiser, dressed as
- 10:35Speaker 1: his older brother and his older brother's friends did, which
- 10:39Speaker 1: is to say they dressed like Marlon Brando and the
- 10:41Speaker 1: Wild One, but darker, meaner. The style had as much
- 10:46Speaker 1: to do with Brando as it did with the Brando
- 10:48Speaker 1: inspired bike gang from outer Space in the Twilight Zone
- 10:51Speaker 1: episode entitled black Leather Jackets, But even that description doesn't
- 10:56Speaker 1: quite do the look of Lux and his Hoodland friends justice.
- 10:59Speaker 1: They wore all black, no blue denim, and they blackened
- 11:04Speaker 1: their hair with thick pommade and engine grease, the drugged
- 11:07Speaker 1: out sixties and sexual freedom of the Summer of Love
- 11:10Speaker 1: hadn't yet arrived. So Lux got high at the tripped
- 11:13Speaker 1: out sounds of the Flamingos and turned on by the
- 11:16Speaker 1: girls in the dance hall. The local hop doing the
- 11:19Speaker 1: bug lucks unsteadily stood on the old wooden beer bottle box,
- 11:25Speaker 1: peering in the window. He and his hood friends were
- 11:28Speaker 1: too much trouble to be allowed into the dance case.
- 11:32Speaker 1: In point, his hoodland buddies were off behind lucks at
- 11:34Speaker 1: this moment, popping the hubcaps off the cars in the
- 11:37Speaker 1: dance hall parking lot to fence for cash. Lux didn't
- 11:41Speaker 1: care about the money. It was the thrill of it.
- 11:44Speaker 1: Stealing hubcaps was a gas but nowhere nearest thrilling as
- 11:48Speaker 1: the girls inside that dance hall right now. Just as
- 11:52Speaker 1: Lux and his friends donned the tightest clothes they could
- 11:54Speaker 1: fit into, the girls at the hop did the same.
- 11:57Speaker 1: The girls flailed around to shed wooly hit purple people eater.
- 12:02Speaker 1: The novelty song with its one long horn with one
- 12:05Speaker 1: big eyes subversively contextualized sex for horny teenage boys like Lux,
- 12:10Speaker 1: and it drove the girls in the dance all nuts
- 12:12Speaker 1: as they did the bug. The dance the bug, like
- 12:16Speaker 1: the song, was also pure sex. From Lux's estimation, these
- 12:21Speaker 1: girls writhing about their hands, feeling all over their bodies
- 12:25Speaker 1: for the figurative bug, attempting in all of their hot
- 12:28Speaker 1: vanity to locate the bug on their breasts, on their bellies,
- 12:32Speaker 1: on their thighs, searching, touching, grabbing. It drove young Lucks nuts,
- 12:39Speaker 1: pure sex, pure rock and roll, as thrilling, dangerous and
- 12:45Speaker 1: scary as the sound of the police siren coming from
- 12:49Speaker 1: behind it. Lux's car raced down the highway. He saw
- 13:20Speaker 1: our hitchhiking on the side of the road, and he
- 13:22Speaker 1: slammed on the brakes, immediately brought the car to a halt,
- 13:25Speaker 1: and then jammed the shift into a reverse, burning rubber backward,
- 13:29Speaker 1: to pick up the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen,
- 13:32Speaker 1: big hippie hair, halter top, the shortest, tightest shorts you
- 13:36Speaker 1: could imagine. Her name was Christy. Almost instantly, she loved Lux,
- 13:43Speaker 1: who was still going by the name Eric, and she
- 13:45Speaker 1: was jazzed by their immediate mutual admiration, a connection that
- 13:50Speaker 1: matched the intensity of their shared love for rock and roll.
- 13:54Speaker 1: Out west in Sacramento, where they had both escaped the
- 13:57Speaker 1: square influence of the zombie conformists. From the respective hometowns
- 14:01Speaker 1: his in Stow, Ohio, Hers and San Bernardino. There was
- 14:05Speaker 1: plenty of freedom to explore that love. It was nineteen
- 14:09Speaker 1: seventy two. The hippie movement lurched on. They ate mushrooms
- 14:13Speaker 1: and contemplated God as a Bo Diddley riff. They drank
- 14:17Speaker 1: wine and had lots of great sex, and they smoked
- 14:21Speaker 1: grass and went on a quest to find every forty
- 14:23Speaker 1: five single ever issued by Sun Records, the legendary record
- 14:27Speaker 1: label the first released.
- 14:28Speaker 2: Elvis Presley's music.
- 14:30Speaker 1: Elvis back in the Sundays was a rock and roll freaks,
- 14:33Speaker 1: freak dyed, black hair, black eyeliner, pink suits, armed with
- 14:39Speaker 1: his mama's pill prescriptions so he could get all the
- 14:41Speaker 1: session players at Sun High and therefore be allowed to
- 14:44Speaker 1: keep his annoying little teenage ass hanging around. Elvis did
- 14:48Speaker 1: what he could keep one step ahead of the zombie
- 14:51Speaker 1: norms tried to keep him down. So lux, Eric and
- 14:56Speaker 1: Christy did the same. That meant making music themselves, making
- 15:01Speaker 1: rock and roll themselves.
- 15:04Speaker 2: But there was no way.
- 15:04Speaker 1: They were going to be able to make the rock
- 15:06Speaker 1: and roll. They loved out West, in the middle of
- 15:08Speaker 1: the hippie movement, where everyone seemed to be trying so
- 15:11Speaker 1: hard to seem like they weren't trying. It was a
- 15:15Speaker 1: movement that was supposed to be above freedom, but the
- 15:17Speaker 1: now had its own set of social norms. How you
- 15:20Speaker 1: were supposed to look, talk, even think, definitely what you
- 15:24Speaker 1: could listen to. It was a movement quickly consumed by
- 15:28Speaker 1: its own kind of conformist zombies. So in nineteen seventy five,
- 15:34Speaker 1: Eric and Christy split from the coast from New York City.
- 15:39Speaker 1: All they had with them was their record collection, their
- 15:41Speaker 1: rock and roll spirit. In a name they would call
- 15:44Speaker 1: their new band, The Cramps. Hustlers, thieves, homicidal maniacs, garbage everywhere, junkies, homeless,
- 15:56Speaker 1: Vietnam vettes, eating out of trash bins, buildings on fire,
- 16:00Speaker 1: a skyrocketing crime rate, rapists lurking around dark corners, gangs
- 16:06Speaker 1: getting wild in the streets, muggers. A city on the brink.
- 16:11Speaker 1: Mid seventies, New York City was beautiful, the perfect place
- 16:16Speaker 1: to start a bare bone, sexually fueled, violently dangerous rock
- 16:20Speaker 1: and roll band. The Cramps were the mastermind creation of
- 16:25Speaker 1: Eric and Christy, who had now started introducing themselves around
- 16:28Speaker 1: town as Lux Interior in Poison Ivy Roarshack. Lux and Ivy.
- 16:33Speaker 2: Quickly hooked up with a fellow rock and roll ghoul.
- 16:36Speaker 1: Brian Gregory. Brian fashioned himself after the Rolling Stones Brian Jones,
- 16:41Speaker 1: but more like Brian Jones in nineteen seventy five, which
- 16:46Speaker 1: is to say dead Brian Jones. Brian Gregory looked deathly
- 16:52Speaker 1: and mean scary with his super high cheek bones and
- 16:56Speaker 1: deep set eyes. His polka dot guitar offset than that look,
- 17:00Speaker 1: which matched well with the Cramps drummer Brian's sister Pam,
- 17:04Speaker 1: who was quickly replaced by drummer Nick Knox, another musician
- 17:08Speaker 1: who leaned into the dark gothic side of Southern rock
- 17:11Speaker 1: and roll for fashion inspiration. Both musicians perfectly suited the
- 17:16Speaker 1: new image portrayed by Lux and Ivy. Ivy style combined
- 17:20Speaker 1: classic burlesque with the commanding presence of the Duchess, the
- 17:24Speaker 1: female guitarist who played in Bo Didley's band, and Lux
- 17:28Speaker 1: appeared as though he crawled out of your television set.
- 17:30Speaker 2: Back in nineteen fifty six.
- 17:32Speaker 1: During one of those long running horror flip marathons and
- 17:35Speaker 1: landed in the rough trade section of Manhattan's meatpacking district.
- 17:40Speaker 1: Luck stuck to his skin tight black jeans, rail thin
- 17:44Speaker 1: and tall. He seldom wore a shirt on stage, but
- 17:47Speaker 1: he did wear high heels. His hair, of course, was
- 17:51Speaker 1: dyed black and teased high to give him a Frankenstein
- 17:54Speaker 1: monster effect. The Cramps looked hillbilly and cosmopolitan at the
- 17:59Speaker 1: same time. They looked, in a word, scary, and their
- 18:06Speaker 1: music matched their look. The first recorded Cramps music, as
- 18:10Speaker 1: with most recorded Cramps music, walked a fine line just
- 18:14Speaker 1: like the bands looked in. They sounded incredibly dark but
- 18:18Speaker 1: also incredibly exciting, loose and fun. Original songs about teenage
- 18:23Speaker 1: werewolves and drug trains, and great covers by the likes
- 18:27Speaker 1: of Johnny Burnett, the Gay Lads, and too many awesome
- 18:30Speaker 1: and obscure fifties and sixties rock and roll artists to mention,
- 18:34Speaker 1: all funneled through a slap back, jungle boogie of early
- 18:37Speaker 1: rock and roll production updated for the Blank generation. The
- 18:41Speaker 1: covers were songs the Cramps made their own, songs that
- 18:44Speaker 1: indicated a unique understanding of and reverence for mysterious slices
- 18:49Speaker 1: of American music that had slipped through the cracks rockabilly
- 18:53Speaker 1: garage novelty songs that the Cramps eventually turned the burgeoning
- 18:57Speaker 1: New York punk scene onto. It was a time when
- 19:01Speaker 1: other New York bands, including Blondie, The Ramones, Television, and
- 19:04Speaker 1: the Talking Heads were creating undeniably unique takes on rock
- 19:08Speaker 1: and roll themselves. Then it was also a time when
- 19:12Speaker 1: the Cramps would create one song in particular that would
- 19:15Speaker 1: cause New York to take notice. Lux's interior walked down
- 19:22Speaker 1: the dirty Manhattan sidewalk. It was early. Unlike the rest
- 19:26Speaker 1: of the city, which was up early and headed for work,
- 19:29Speaker 1: Lux wasn't coming. He was going going home after a
- 19:33Speaker 1: long night in one of New York's rock and roll clubs.
- 19:36Speaker 1: If it was Cebegb's, Lux would likely not be in
- 19:39Speaker 1: a great mood. The crowd at Sebe's in those early
- 19:42Speaker 1: days didn't take to the Cramps, an audience of hipsters, zombies, conformists,
- 19:48Speaker 1: just the same as the hippies out west and the
- 19:50Speaker 1: squares back home. But if it was Max's Kansas City
- 19:53Speaker 1: the night before, then there was a good chance Lux
- 19:56Speaker 1: was in a better mood. But that mood was about
- 19:59Speaker 1: to change. That morning's post headline read human fly climbs Tower.
- 20:06Speaker 1: It was about some brave but clearly insane thrill seeker
- 20:09Speaker 1: who climbed all the way up one of the World
- 20:11Speaker 1: Trade Center towers scaling buildings was on the collective mine
- 20:16Speaker 1: of Manhattan. At the moment, six in the morning, Lux
- 20:20Speaker 1: was almost back in his park. The garbage trucks were
- 20:23Speaker 1: out full force. Lucks rounded the corner toward his building,
- 20:27Speaker 1: and there sirens, cops, an ambulance. Mannix frantically moving about,
- 20:34Speaker 1: a crowd of early morning gawkers, quickly passing rubberneckers, and
- 20:37Speaker 1: in the middle of the fray bloodied on the sidewalk
- 20:40Speaker 1: the mangled and contorted body of one of Lux's neighbors
- 20:44Speaker 1: who just pitched himself off the next door roof, plummeting
- 20:47Speaker 1: to his death some ten plus stories below. Having taken
- 20:51Speaker 1: all that this city could give, Lux took it as
- 20:55Speaker 1: literal inspiration from above and went to work with Ivy
- 20:59Speaker 1: on writing a new song, The Human Fly, with the
- 21:03Speaker 1: lyrics I spell it fl Y, I say buzz buzz buzz,
- 21:07Speaker 1: and it's just because cuz cuz I'm a human fly
- 21:11Speaker 1: and I don't know why.
- 21:14Speaker 2: This is six eyes.
- 21:18Speaker 1: The song was brilliant, a perfect combination of retro rock
- 21:23Speaker 1: and roll cool with its question mark in the mysterious
- 21:25Speaker 1: ninety six tiers reference and modern weirdness with Lux's novelty
- 21:30Speaker 1: Yes vocals by way of iggy pop and Charlie Feathers's
- 21:33Speaker 1: Buzz Buzz Buzz Human Flyes stood out among the Cramp songs.
- 21:39Speaker 1: The band caught the eye of the former big star
- 21:41Speaker 1: and box top songsmith from Memphis, Alex Chilton. Almost overnight,
- 21:46Speaker 1: they were on their way south to make music in
- 21:48Speaker 1: the cradle of rock and roll at Memphis's Ardent Studios,
- 21:51Speaker 1: with Chilton helming the production. The singles produced with Chilton
- 21:56Speaker 1: led to label attention from Miles Copeland, brother of Stuart Cold,
- 22:00Speaker 1: drummer for one of England's hottest up and coming bands
- 22:03Speaker 1: at the time, the Police. Miles Copeland managed The Police
- 22:07Speaker 1: and sold and distributed their music through his independent record
- 22:10Speaker 1: label IRS Records. Miles Copeland was keen on signing the Cramps.
- 22:16Speaker 1: Little did the Cramps know Miles Copeland was a vampire.
- 22:26Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. We're We're, We're. Miles
- 22:35Speaker 1: Copeland couldn't believe the stories he was hearing about this
- 22:38Speaker 1: American band. He'd of course seen them live already. A
- 22:42Speaker 1: scorcher of a set in London, the band was at
- 22:45Speaker 1: the peak of its voodoo horror sex power in front
- 22:48Speaker 1: of a European crowd that was mad for Lux and
- 22:50Speaker 1: Ivy's brand of wild horny Americana. Lux nearly naked up
- 22:56Speaker 1: there with his leather pants sliding off of his skinny ass,
- 23:00Speaker 1: the microphone with his rockabilly hiccup, Ivy nailing every riff
- 23:04Speaker 1: with her violent cool in that thousand yard stare to
- 23:07Speaker 1: freeze any and all aspiring creeps. With Brian Gregory resurrecting
- 23:12Speaker 1: Brian Jones and Nick Knox beating the devil out of
- 23:15Speaker 1: his kit with his Dale Hawk and swampfoot, London didn't
- 23:19Speaker 1: know what hit them. The Cramps were propelled by the
- 23:23Speaker 1: adoring crowd. The adoration was a far cry from the
- 23:27Speaker 1: comatosa zombie dance of the New York hipster crowds the
- 23:30Speaker 1: band was used to, But Miles Copeland heard that the
- 23:33Speaker 1: Cramps delivered this show every night, no matter if the
- 23:36Speaker 1: audience was a packed out rock and roll star of
- 23:38Speaker 1: crowd like the one in London. Were ten scensters in
- 23:41Speaker 1: an abandoned dance hall in a Washington, DC suburb. Then
- 23:46Speaker 1: there was the story about the Cramps in the mental institution.
- 23:53Speaker 1: The Cramp's newly released single, The Human Fly caused New
- 23:56Speaker 1: York City to take notice. It got the band booked
- 23:59Speaker 1: into Seagb's and Maxis Kansas City with some regularity, but
- 24:03Speaker 1: as previously noted, those crowds were lame zombie hipsters. They
- 24:09Speaker 1: barely moved while the Cramps poured their souls out on stage.
- 24:13Speaker 1: Lux literally bled, cutting himself with broken glass, crawling across
- 24:17Speaker 1: the Florida deliver the most honest form of rock and
- 24:20Speaker 1: roll he could conjure. Ivy took a job as dominatrix
- 24:24Speaker 1: to avoid the straight world so she could make enough
- 24:26Speaker 1: cash to keep the band going, and Brian Gregory took
- 24:29Speaker 1: up heroin and plunged into drug abuse, such was his
- 24:32Speaker 1: commitment to the Brian Jones bit, while Nick Knox held
- 24:36Speaker 1: on for Dear Life. The Cramps were the real deal,
- 24:40Speaker 1: but New York City didn't appreciate them, not like they
- 24:43Speaker 1: did Television or Blondie. But while the Cramps were derided
- 24:46Speaker 1: in the New York rock press, the traveling British press
- 24:49Speaker 1: thought otherwise In a feature published by The New Musical
- 24:53Speaker 1: Express on June tenth, nineteen seventy eight, entitled Psychobilly and
- 24:57Speaker 1: Other Musical Diseasesritish journalist Paul Rimbali heap praise upon the
- 25:02Speaker 1: Cramp's unique brand of vintage, horror influenced rock and roll,
- 25:06Speaker 1: but he also noted that the Cramps are regarded as
- 25:09Speaker 1: at best a joke, at worst and artless conniving fraud.
- 25:15Speaker 1: In the process. The British press also gave the Cramps
- 25:18Speaker 1: style of music a name, Psychobilly. It was now official.
- 25:23Speaker 1: The Cramps had made something wholly unique, creating their own
- 25:27Speaker 1: subgenre of rock and roll in their quest to save
- 25:30Speaker 1: rock and roll.
- 25:31Speaker 2: It was more than anything New York.
- 25:32Speaker 1: Had given them, So the writing was on the New
- 25:36Speaker 1: York City wall for Lux and Ivy, they needed to
- 25:39Speaker 1: go west. Upon doing so, they encountered more zombies in
- 25:43Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Not hipster zombies, but hardcore authoritarians masked as
- 25:48Speaker 1: punks music fans who were actually violent and hateful at
- 25:52Speaker 1: their core. In need of a gig, the Cramps were
- 25:56Speaker 1: hipped to an institution several hours north of LA that
- 25:59Speaker 1: would allow them play and provide an enthusiastic audience. The
- 26:04Speaker 1: Camarilla State Mental Hospital in Napa, California, a mental institution,
- 26:10Speaker 1: the nuthouse. It was perfect. Lux thought, where else could
- 26:16Speaker 1: the true spirit of rock and roll be more alive
- 26:18Speaker 1: than inside the drab institutional walls of a looney bin.
- 26:22Speaker 1: Real rock and roll was made by Luoni's Elvis was
- 26:25Speaker 1: out of his fucking mind.
- 26:26Speaker 2: And that Bo Diddley riff.
- 26:27Speaker 1: There's no way any sane person would have created the
- 26:30Speaker 1: Bo Didley riff. Charlie Feathers saying like he swallowed his
- 26:34Speaker 1: science experiment, Roddy self sang like he lit his hair
- 26:37Speaker 1: on fire, and Link Ray played like a man possessed. Yes,
- 26:41Speaker 1: the insane hell, Yes, a mental institution. This, this is
- 26:45Speaker 1: where the Crabs would become one with the perfect audience.
- 26:50Speaker 1: From their first notes on stage inside the psychiatric hospital,
- 26:54Speaker 1: in front of the patients or the inmates. As Lux
- 26:57Speaker 1: would later recall, Lux's intuition was proven correct. As Lux
- 27:02Speaker 1: Ivy and Brian and Nick bashed away at their instruments,
- 27:05Speaker 1: the patients well went. The patients went nuts. They were
- 27:09Speaker 1: banging their heads, poe going, doing all kinds of dancing,
- 27:13Speaker 1: actually working themselves into a frenzy. And when the first
- 27:16Speaker 1: song rapped, Lux introduced the band and said to the audience,
- 27:20Speaker 1: somebody told me you people are crazy, but I'm not
- 27:23Speaker 1: so sure about that.
- 27:25Speaker 2: You seem to be all right to me.
- 27:28Speaker 1: If there had been any question about whether or not
- 27:30Speaker 1: the crowd was with him, Lux answered it with that comment.
- 27:35Speaker 1: The patients went at the next song and the rest
- 27:37Speaker 1: of the set with even more fervor. Responding to Lux's empathy,
- 27:41Speaker 1: they rushed the stage, screaming into the microphone, hugging Lux,
- 27:45Speaker 1: diving off the stage, humping the floor, humping each other,
- 27:48Speaker 1: chasing each other around the dance hall, making out for
- 27:52Speaker 1: a moment, and though they were locked up in an institution,
- 27:55Speaker 1: there was total freedom, such as the power of real
- 27:59Speaker 1: rock and rold. Some patients actually escaped during the confusion
- 28:04Speaker 1: cause by the rock is set. Then they eventually returned
- 28:07Speaker 1: to their own volition. The gig at the mental institution
- 28:11Speaker 1: gave wings to the growing myth of the Cramps. Words
- 28:15Speaker 1: spread to London that rock and roll might be saved
- 28:18Speaker 1: after all, and if it was going to be rescued
- 28:20Speaker 1: from the clutches of the hipster zombies on both coasts,
- 28:24Speaker 1: the Cramps might be rock and Roll's best hope, Miles
- 28:30Speaker 1: Copeland signed the Cramps to his IRS record label. The
- 28:33Speaker 1: excellent album Songs The Lord Taught Us was recorded at
- 28:36Speaker 1: Phillips Recording in Memphis, the studio run by the legendary
- 28:40Speaker 1: Sam Phillips, who founded Sun Records and first recorded Elvis Presley,
- 28:44Speaker 1: Jerry Lee Lewis and other rock and roll pioneers. The
- 28:48Speaker 1: album was produced by big Stars Alex Chilton, and by
- 28:51Speaker 1: any standard production shortcomings aside songs, The Lord Taught Us
- 28:55Speaker 1: is a rock and roll masterpiece. It brought growing fame
- 28:59Speaker 1: to the Cramps in the UK and throughout Europe, made
- 29:02Speaker 1: possible with the new backing of IRS and Miles Copeland.
- 29:06Speaker 1: A second record was needed imminently to capitalize on the
- 29:09Speaker 1: Cramp's new momentum. New York City was dead. The Los Angeles,
- 29:14Speaker 1: despite its hardcore Zombies, was the next best bet for
- 29:17Speaker 1: geographic inspiration. The Cramps relocated and replaced Brian Gregory with
- 29:23Speaker 1: Gun Club guitarist Kid Congo Powers. The recording of their
- 29:26Speaker 1: second album was on deck, but that's when the Vampire
- 29:31Speaker 1: fully emerged. As far as rock and roll businessmen go,
- 29:37Speaker 1: Miles Copeland, the third looks like a Vampire He's always
- 29:41Speaker 1: looked impossibly young, Anglo with a parasitic glow about him.
- 29:46Speaker 1: He's a suit with an inherently intimidating stature, born of
- 29:49Speaker 1: privilege in class. Miles's main priority was his brother's band,
- 29:54Speaker 1: The Police, and for good reason. Since their inception, the
- 29:58Speaker 1: Police were in the ascendant. Granted they started on third base.
- 30:02Speaker 1: Miles's father was perhaps also a vampire. That is an
- 30:06Speaker 1: unknowable fact, But what is noble is that Miles Copeland
- 30:10Speaker 1: the Second was a founding member of the Central Intelligence Agency,
- 30:14Speaker 1: better known as the CIA. Rumors were rampant that The
- 30:19Speaker 1: Cramp's new manager, Miles Copeland the Third, was himself a
- 30:23Speaker 1: CIA cutout, and that the bands he'd signed to his
- 30:26Speaker 1: record label, including The Police, The Go Gos Ram and
- 30:29Speaker 1: The Bengals, were mere tools to disseminate disinformation to influence
- 30:33Speaker 1: American youth on behalf of the CIA. Perhaps this explains
- 30:38Speaker 1: the differences that arose quickly between Miles and The Cramps,
- 30:42Speaker 1: who fell out over creative and financial differences around the
- 30:45Speaker 1: time they were to begin recording their second full length album.
- 30:48Speaker 1: Rock and roll bands can be a lot of things,
- 30:51Speaker 1: but unwitting tools of government disinformation is one thing they
- 30:54Speaker 1: cannot be. Regardless of what Miles Copeland was or wasn't,
- 30:59Speaker 1: it that he was hell bent on sucking the rock
- 31:02Speaker 1: and roll life out of the Cramps. From their differences,
- 31:05Speaker 1: a lawsuit emerged, and the stipulation of that lawsuit was
- 31:09Speaker 1: that until Miles and the Cramps worked out their legal issues,
- 31:12Speaker 1: the Cramps were court ordered not to release or sell
- 31:15Speaker 1: any new music. The well heeled Miles Copeland the Third
- 31:19Speaker 1: used as financial resources to drag the case out, putting
- 31:23Speaker 1: pressure on the Cramps to come to a settlement that
- 31:25Speaker 1: favored Copeland. The Cramps didn't back down, but again, this
- 31:30Speaker 1: meant the Cramps couldn't release any new music, and this
- 31:33Speaker 1: meant nearly three years of professional death. The band played
- 31:38Speaker 1: live as a means to make ends meet and to
- 31:40Speaker 1: keep up some momentum, and their fans flocked to shows,
- 31:43Speaker 1: but there were stard for new music as Copeland the
- 31:46Speaker 1: Vampire bled the Cramps dry. Then the cockroaches came out,
- 31:53Speaker 1: big radioactive, nuclear powered bootlegging cockroaches. They crawled out of
- 31:59Speaker 1: the woodwork and mother to Cramp's career, flooding the market
- 32:02Speaker 1: with the legal live recordings from the band's many live shows,
- 32:05Speaker 1: live shows that were now necessary to keep the band afloat,
- 32:09Speaker 1: But the bootleggers were so persistent, so prolific, that the
- 32:13Speaker 1: Cramps were forced to stop performing their new original songs
- 32:16Speaker 1: for fear that the cockroaches will record their tunes prematurely
- 32:20Speaker 1: and release them to the public.
- 32:21Speaker 2: Before the Cramps could get out of their lawsuit and.
- 32:23Speaker 1: Release those songs themselves, the only move that Cramps had
- 32:28Speaker 1: left was to perform covers during their live shows while
- 32:31Speaker 1: waiting for their legal troubles to resolve. Miles Copeland the
- 32:35Speaker 1: Vampire had taken a healthy bite out of the Cramps,
- 32:38Speaker 1: transfiguring one of the most original rock and roll.
- 32:40Speaker 4: Groups on the planet into a cover band.
- 32:48Speaker 1: All back in Lux's apartment years later, with the smell
- 33:10Speaker 1: of burning flesh from the nearby crematorium blanketing his and
- 33:13Speaker 1: Ivy's Glendale neighborhood, the Cramp singer continued to cruise his
- 33:18Speaker 1: collection of forty five records, looking for something to put
- 33:21Speaker 1: on the turntable. While keeping one year on the television
- 33:24Speaker 1: tuned to MTV in the background. Lux was curious to
- 33:29Speaker 1: see the Cramps new video on the idiot Box. The
- 33:33Speaker 1: song was hot Shit, as was the video. It was
- 33:36Speaker 1: a new song, of course, it had been a few
- 33:39Speaker 1: years since the Cramps finally overcame the bootlegging cockroaches and
- 33:43Speaker 1: broke free from the legal clutches of the vmpiric Miles
- 33:46Speaker 1: Copeland and were once again allowed to record and release
- 33:50Speaker 1: new original material. First, they did so after satiating fans
- 33:55Speaker 1: with the excellent live album Smell of Female from New
- 33:58Speaker 1: York's Peppermint Lounge in nineteen eighty and then with the
- 34:01Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six studio album A Date with Elvis. Both
- 34:05Speaker 1: records were critical, if not commercial hits, but the single
- 34:10Speaker 1: and video Bikini Girls with Machine Guns from their latest
- 34:14Speaker 1: long player Stay Sick. They were too good for the
- 34:18Speaker 1: song not to be a hit, or so thought anyone
- 34:21Speaker 1: with rock and roll ears. Sadly, those people were wrong.
- 34:26Speaker 1: Sure the song got played on MTV and even received
- 34:29Speaker 1: some radio play, but it wasn't a hit. It didn't
- 34:32Speaker 1: matter how great the song was, and it was indeed great.
- 34:36Speaker 1: Bikini Girls with Machine Guns culminated a year's long rock
- 34:40Speaker 1: and roll obsession with this song. Lux and Ivy finally
- 34:44Speaker 1: frankenstein their uniquely specific brand of rock and roll into
- 34:48Speaker 1: something truly monstrous. The song had everything. A massive hooky chorus,
- 34:55Speaker 1: killer energy and swing, a stinging, heroic anti guitar hero
- 34:59Speaker 1: guitar solo from Ivy, and an undeniably unique lyrical pov.
- 35:05Speaker 1: I mean, what in the world could possibly be better
- 35:09Speaker 1: than Bikini Girls with Machine Guns? Nothing?
- 35:12Speaker 2: That's what.
- 35:12Speaker 1: First of all, they're girls, Second of all they're in bikinis,
- 35:15Speaker 1: and third they've got fucking machine guns. Man, all right,
- 35:18Speaker 1: sorry forgive me for indulging my inner Beavis and butt head.
- 35:21Speaker 1: Back to saving rock and roll.
- 35:23Speaker 5: As far as Lux and Ivy's goal of bringing rock
- 35:26Speaker 5: and roll to the masses, to the mainstream media outlets
- 35:29Speaker 5: needed to disseminate the Cramps brand of mad teenage bop
- 35:32Speaker 5: to the radio, to television.
- 35:35Speaker 1: Well, finally, finally, the Cramps had sound and production on
- 35:39Speaker 1: this single worthy of the band's originality. And by the
- 35:42Speaker 1: time the Cramps recorded Bikini Girls with Machine Guns, they'd
- 35:46Speaker 1: abandoned the two guitar assault they've used in their early
- 35:48Speaker 1: days and added Candy Delmar on bass, and that new
- 35:52Speaker 1: bottom added a level of modern sophistication to the Cramps sound.
- 35:55Speaker 1: That a great song like Bikini Girls with Machine Guns,
- 35:58Speaker 1: demanding the video weirder than weird and cool as fuck.
- 36:04Speaker 1: Lux and skin tight black latex and high heels Ivy.
- 36:08Speaker 1: You know burlesque belly dancer best firing off a machine
- 36:11Speaker 1: gun with her panties sliding down to her high heeled ankles.
- 36:15Speaker 1: The video oohs is violence, booze, sex, and cool. You
- 36:19Speaker 1: know all the things red blooded American teenagers are preternaturally
- 36:23Speaker 1: driven to it.
- 36:24Speaker 2: This stuff will kill you. It's a loaded with.
- 36:26Speaker 1: Fun bikini girls with machine guns, as the lyric goes,
- 36:31Speaker 1: pure awesomeness. But Lux didn't see his video on TV
- 36:36Speaker 1: that day, just another repeat of Sting's ridiculous video for
- 36:41Speaker 1: Will Be Together Tonight. Luck shut the TV off and
- 36:45Speaker 1: went back to his forty five's Because for all the
- 36:48Speaker 1: awesomeness of bikini girls with machine guns, it didn't matter,
- 36:53Speaker 1: None of it mattered. Didn't matter how great the song was,
- 36:57Speaker 1: it was too late. Didn't matter how great the video was,
- 37:00Speaker 1: because it was too late. It was a different time.
- 37:04Speaker 1: It was nineteen ninety. Had Bikini Girls with Machine Guns
- 37:08Speaker 1: been written and released earlier, say back in nineteen eighty three,
- 37:12Speaker 1: I believe it would have made the Cramps a household name,
- 37:15Speaker 1: and perhaps rock and roll would have been saved. Back
- 37:19Speaker 1: in the early eighties, MTV was jammed with idiosyncratic rock
- 37:23Speaker 1: and roll videos. Take Cyndy Lapper's hit She Bought. There's
- 37:27Speaker 1: Cindy with her orange hair bouncing around your television screens,
- 37:31Speaker 1: singing above female masturbation, or the Go Gos early eighties
- 37:35Speaker 1: hit We Got The Beat. The Go Gos Irs Records
- 37:39Speaker 1: cleaned up their punk image at tad for the cameras,
- 37:41Speaker 1: But there's Belinda and the Girls Lux and Ivy's La
- 37:44Speaker 1: punk contemporaries taking the piss out of Smokey Robinson's going
- 37:48Speaker 1: to a Go Go with the updated We Got The Beat.
- 37:51Speaker 1: Take off your punk rock hipster hat for just a
- 37:54Speaker 1: minute and try to see Cindy Lappers, she Bop, and
- 37:56Speaker 1: the Go Gos We Got the Beat, and the Cramps
- 37:58Speaker 1: Bikini Girls with Machine Guns as a Midwestern or suburban
- 38:02Speaker 1: teenage kid in nineteen eighty three would have There's not
- 38:06Speaker 1: that much of a difference. Broadly speaking, The big difference
- 38:10Speaker 1: is timing. She Bob and We Got the Beat emerged
- 38:14Speaker 1: when MTV leaned into weird rock and roll. By the
- 38:18Speaker 1: time the video for Bikini Girls with Machine Guns came
- 38:20Speaker 1: out in nineteen ninety, MTV was busy broadcasting self serious
- 38:25Speaker 1: rock music by Sting U two, Genesis and others. But
- 38:30Speaker 1: in the early nineteen eighties, when the she Bop and
- 38:32Speaker 1: We Got the Beat videos were released, the Cramps were
- 38:35Speaker 1: effectively stuck in music jail. The window to break on
- 38:39Speaker 1: MTV for a band as weird and idiosyncratic as the
- 38:42Speaker 1: Cramps had come and gone during the hit making network's
- 38:45Speaker 1: nascent years from nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty four,
- 38:49Speaker 1: when the Cramps were legally prohibited from recording and releasing
- 38:52Speaker 1: new material. The time they spent during that era battling
- 38:56Speaker 1: a music industry vampire and combating radioactive bootlegging hawkroaches was
- 39:01Speaker 1: time they could have spent inspired and perhaps writing and
- 39:04Speaker 1: releasing songs like Bikini Girls with Machine Guns during an
- 39:08Speaker 1: era when the mainstream public would have been receptive to
- 39:11Speaker 1: their brand of rock and roll weirdness. Had that happen,
- 39:16Speaker 1: perhaps Lux and Ivy's mission of saving rock and roll
- 39:19Speaker 1: from corporate rock would have succeeded. But that didn't happen.
- 39:25Speaker 1: Bikini Girls with Machine Guns was just a modest hit
- 39:28Speaker 1: and only in the UK, but it did keep the
- 39:31Speaker 1: Cramps going as a band. They continued touring and making
- 39:35Speaker 1: great music throughout the nineties and early two thousands. Lux
- 39:40Speaker 1: and Ivy never gave up the ghost, and they kept
- 39:43Speaker 1: on their music. Their rock and roll inspired countless younger
- 39:48Speaker 1: bands in the so called psychobilly category, a subgenre of
- 39:52Speaker 1: rock and roll that the Cramps unintentionally created. Rock and
- 39:56Speaker 1: roll archivists around the world, serious scholar of various genres,
- 40:01Speaker 1: most notably garage rockabilly, punk, horr rock, and novelty records,
- 40:05Speaker 1: owe a significant debt of gratitude to the Cramps for
- 40:08Speaker 1: their inspiration. Sam Goes, for the goth girls on TikTok
- 40:13Speaker 1: and for the horror core kids, and also for the
- 40:17Speaker 1: former Disney star Jenna or Tega, who brought the Cramps
- 40:21Speaker 1: to the forefront of pop culture in twenty twenty two
- 40:24Speaker 1: with a dance the actress choreographed herself for an episode
- 40:27Speaker 1: of the wildly popular Netflix series Wednesday. During the dance,
- 40:32Speaker 1: Ortega's Wednesday character owns all ninety six of the teenaged
- 40:37Speaker 1: eyes glued to her as she twitches and struts through
- 40:39Speaker 1: the high school dance to the Cramps song Googo Mauk.
- 40:43Speaker 1: It's an inadvert in twenty first century homage to the
- 40:46Speaker 1: bug from back in Lux's childhood. Shout out to music
- 40:50Speaker 1: supervisor Jen Malone, an ex goth herself, for having the
- 40:53Speaker 1: taste in good sense to include the Cramps in this
- 40:55Speaker 1: modern hit television series. The Cramps influence spread and wide
- 41:01Speaker 1: because the Cramps created something wholly unique in rock and
- 41:04Speaker 1: roll through the dedication that they put into their music. Unfortunately,
- 41:09Speaker 1: that dedication came to an end when Lux died suddenly
- 41:12Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine from heart failure. Ivy, after
- 41:16Speaker 1: losing the love of her life and her creative partner,
- 41:19Speaker 1: disappeared completely from the public eye. The Cramps gave their
- 41:24Speaker 1: lives to saving rock and roll, but that didn't happen.
- 41:28Speaker 1: Rock and roll is dead, dead, just like the efforts
- 41:32Speaker 1: of the zombie conformists and the music biz vampire and
- 41:35Speaker 1: the bootlegging cockroaches. But the Cramps music is alive, and
- 41:44Speaker 1: that is anything but a disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan, and
- 41:51Speaker 1: this is Disgraceland.
- 42:07Speaker 2: All right.
- 42:08Speaker 1: That was a fun one Happy Halloween, everybody, hope you
- 42:10Speaker 1: dug it. This week's question of the Week in honor
- 42:12Speaker 1: of the Cramps, is this what band made the greatest
- 42:15Speaker 1: rock and roll music ever.
- 42:17Speaker 2: Okay, you know the drill, one band and one band.
- 42:19Speaker 2: Only tell me why. Rock and roll to me is
- 42:22Speaker 2: low down, dirty, fun, guitar driven.
- 42:24Speaker 1: Music for teenagers and or music that makes you feel
- 42:27Speaker 1: like a teenager. So loosely based on that definition, I
- 42:30Speaker 1: guess what band, in your estimation made the greatest rock
- 42:34Speaker 1: and roll music of all time? And why? I already
- 42:36Speaker 1: know my answer, and it's pretty basic, but I want
- 42:39Speaker 1: to know your answer. Six one seven nine oh six
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