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Episode 16: Rising prices · Football Junkies podcast

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Bag alert bag alert bag alert bag alert bag alert folks. That's right Kenny Clark gets paid
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He gets paid he gets paid he gets paid all right
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Is it safe to say that the bag alerts are gonna be coming back with a vengeance? I don't know
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We'll keep a close eye on that but anyway, let's get into these topics. All right. How does Kenny Clark steel?
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affect ongoing negotiations for
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Defensive tackles are looking for a deal as well as future free agent defensive tackles and why the defensive
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Liman market is continuing to rise
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The all of this and more out won't wait. I forgot breaking news breaking news
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Jordan love is holding out a training camp. Okay. Is this a major thing? Is this a small thing?
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What's the reason we're gonna talk about all of this and more on the 16th episode?
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Okay, 16th were not too far away from 20 the 16th episode of the football junkies podcast
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I am your host your GM who still is not on a team right now
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But who already has three mock drafts three years in advance before anyone has it
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Okay, let's get it. Oh
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Oh
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All right folks so as I have previously said defensive tackle for the Packers Kenny Clark has
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Ain't alright a three-year 64 million dollar extension
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He gets a 17.5 million dollar signing bonus and he averages around 21 million a year in his base salary
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It's 15.5 million according to spot rack shadow to who spot rack, okay?
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Now when we look at Kenny Clark, okay? Kenny Clark is someone who you know
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He's not gonna be this flashy defensive tackle like an Aaron Donald or Chris Jones
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That's just you know, gonna put up these crazy numbers and whatnot
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But he does his job
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phenomenally when it comes to holding that defensive line for the Packers, okay
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He has been an anchor for them for a long time in his stat show
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This past season right so when you look at the 2023 season, right?
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So Kenny Clark had three past deflections two four fumbles seven and a half sacks 16 quarterback hits nine
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Tackles for losses. Okay. Now when you look at that, you're probably thinking those aren't really good stats before defensive tackle
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That's actually really good. That's really productive. Um, you're talking about somebody who has been very consistent
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You know since entering into the league, okay, you're talking about somebody who?
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He's he's gonna get the job done when you need him to get the job done Kenny Clark is gonna get the job done
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That that's just what it is
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Now when now when you look at, you know, the highest paid defensive tackles, he just got there
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Okay, he just crushed into the top 10. Okay, so when you look at, you know, the highest paid defensive tackles
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You have Chris Jones, of course 31.7 million Christian Wilkins
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27.5 Justin Mendebuque 24.5 Derek Brown and Quinn Williams 24 million
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Jeffrey Simmons 23.5 to force Buckner 23 million DeRon Payne 22.5
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Dexter Lawrence 21.8 and Kenny Clark at 21.3 now
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When we look at all of this, right? You're probably thinking, oh man
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Well, you know the markets continue to rise a little bit
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I wonder why it's rising the reason why is because
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You know since I could probably go as far back as JJ Y
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You know the defensive defensive linemen have become more and more impactful in the game, right?
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Now you're probably thinking well, there's only a few people
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No, when you really look at it from JJ Y to Aaron Donald who just you know
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Who just retired not too long ago and now you have Chris Jones, you know
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You have very impactful defense linemen
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And so what happens is when you have those type of players to come into the league guess what's gonna happen
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The value for the entire position is just gonna go up
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Regardless if it's just regardless if those guys are you know, the the creme de la creme at their position
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Just know there's gonna be other people behind them
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So when you have a Derek Brown the Dexter Lawrence of the romp pain of the forest Buckner a Javan Hargrave
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People like that guess what they're gonna get paid as well because why they're consistent
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They're productive and when you need them to make a play, they're gonna make a play not to mention not to mention
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offensive linemen
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aren't as
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They're not as scouted and as valued as much as a defensive linemen, right case and point
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You will see a defensive linemen get drafted in the first round top five or even top three, right?
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But when you look at you know centers or you look at guards or even tackles
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Not a lot of times they are drafted, you know that high up and if they are then they are a rare breed
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Within their position right when you have someone like a Trent Williams for instance
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um who like a Ronnie Stanley or a loremi Tunsel or
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You know, whatever the case may be when you have those type of players
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Guess what of course they're gonna be taken pretty high
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But when you have someone like a Chris Jones, oh, that's an automatic. That's an automatic for first-round pick
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Automatically, he's gonna get drafted in the first round when you have someone like a JJ why he's gonna get drafted in the first round
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those type of players and you know as well as when when when you look at
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How can I say this?
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Within the past few drafts we have started to see a shift with defensive linemen, right?
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Instead of them being, you know, the old school big guys. It's like 320 some pounds and it's just you know
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They just use their power and their strength to just you know
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Bulldozer people to try to get to the quarterback. You are dealing with somewhat of a revolution
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Well, not a revolution but somewhat of a transformation where defensive linemen are these smaller statute defensive linemen
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But who are quick? I'm talking about super quick. They can you know, they can finesse you they can use their power
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You know, they they come from a wrestling background. They may not come from a wrestling background. You're dealing with people who
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They're their repertoire is a little bit different than what it was, you know
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And my generation one and it shows when you have someone like Aaron Don who you know
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When you look at Aaron Don, you're probably thinking man, they do can't do nothing
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But when you turn on that tape, guess what? You're talking about somebody who is steamrolling
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centers guards
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Both guards center and guard guard guard or whatever you want
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He has steamrolling them with with little to no problem
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So I say all that to say this the defensive line market is going to continue to rise
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Whether we want to admit it or not, okay, and it shows when you look at you know the ongoing
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Contract negotiations for someone like a Cameron Hayward with Kenny Clark getting his deal
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What's gonna happen now is?
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Cam is probably going to say hey, I can do better than what he's done
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My stats show this this this this this right, but at the same time the Steelers may try to use
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Kenny Clark's his deal and then probably say
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We'll probably give you this we can give you this we're not gonna give you
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You know top five highest paid and rightfully so but but at the same time if you're someone, you know
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Like a Cameron Hayward or a defensive lineman who's about to be a free agent
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You do have to look at you know the the market continuing to rise
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And you do want to try to see if you can get at least a piece a piece of the pie, right?
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Because when you look at next year's defensive line will defensive tackle
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Free agency class just strictly then you have Cam Hayward, of course you have Malik Collins you have
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Dave and Godchild you have DJ Jones you have BJ Hill you have Harrison
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Harrison Phillips you have Javon Kinlaw just to name a few right now when you break down their market value
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Unfortunately, there's probably only two people that actually had other market value actually shown everybody else is
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Wasn't shown so I just you know I just left that alone
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But when you look at Cameron Hayward's market value, right? It's a three-year fifty eight point
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Eight million dollar deal. So he'll be making nineteen point six million a year, right?
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We look at Javon Kinlaw's market value. It's only a one-year six point eight million dollar deal now
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You're probably wondering, you know, why their value so low now
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They could be attributed to different things whether it be age production, you know lack of
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You know playing time whatever the case may be right
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I don't I don't know because I don't come up with with the with the stuff for for the market values for spot right
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But what I can say is someone like a Cam Hayward, he probably will get one more big payday
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Okay, now for someone like a Javon Kinlaw
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I don't know because Javon Kinlaw at this point in his career has been has been more of a journeyman and
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Who who's more like a plug-and-play?
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More than you know a franchise type of defensive lineman who can get you six or seven or eight or nine or even ten sacks
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You know a season right and you know it definitely shows now
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It's not to say that he can't get it. He can he can just have you know
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He could have a crazy season like this like this upcoming season and the next thing, you know, so I'm gonna be like, oh, okay
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Here's the money right here
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So it I say all that to say this
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defensive linemen are starting to be valued more and
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If you are if you're a team, you know drafts one in the first round there, they're not
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There's no need for you to really be upset because defensive linemen now are starting to become bigger are starting to become
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More nimble. They're starting to be more athletic. They're starting to
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Be, you know, somewhat undersized a little bit
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But you don't allow that undersized to you know to sort of like steer you away if that makes sense
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Right when you look at for instance collage, you can see right perv exam, but collage. You can't see when he was coming out
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I was head over heels for collage. You can see because I was like, yo, this dude is super fast
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He had you know one of the fastest 40 times for defensive tackle and whatnot. I'm like, yo, he pops out
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But since then I mean he probably hasn't done a whole lot, but you know at some point
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He's gonna pop off he is and so, you know
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Defensive coordinators are starting to value
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Pass rushers in defensive linemen more they are even GM's
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That's why they're putting more money into them because they realize that guess what?
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Offensive coordinators are starting to run the ball more. So with them running the ball more you need to counteract that
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What's the best way to counteract that?
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defensive line
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Defensive line now it's not to say that there's gonna be a bunch of Chris Jones's and you know
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Aaron Donald's coming out of the league for the next few years, but if you get someone that's productive
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Inconsistent someone like a Kenny Clark if you get someone like a Kenny Clark on your defensive line, whoo
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Man, oh, man. Do you got problems? You got big
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Big
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Problems, all right, so I'll leave that be now
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I'm just letting you guys know this episode is not gonna be that long be just because I don't want to you know
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Give you guys just these long drawn-out episodes. We're gonna try to keep things as compact as I possibly can plus
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This is gonna be a double episode upload. That's right double episode upload. So stay tuned folks
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Now moving on to the breaking news with Jordan love so according to the athletic
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Diana Rossini shout out to her and shout out to the athletic. They definitely do a lot of great reporting
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Jordan love is holding out of training camp until he gets a deal done now
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Let me stop you right there before you freak out. Okay, all you Packers fans before you freak out before
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You hit that red button. That's to your left or to your right
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Relax, okay. This is just out of precaution. This is not because he's disgruntled with the organization
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This is he's not gonna fall down to tear of Rogers. Okay, so everybody breath
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Woosa for bed. Okay, breathe
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Breathe drink you some water. Okay, relax. I'm gonna explain why okay?
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So with him holding out that's basically precaution because he's trying to get a deal done
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Okay, and so with him trying to get a deal done. He's probably gonna hold out just because hey
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You know freak things can happen where he can be in training camp
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And he drops that's one time and then guess what blows out his knee or tears of killies or anything crazy like that
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We literally saw
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The the line we saw who was it drae greenlaw. I think it was drae greenlaw in the Super Bowl
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Literally tear his Achilles from just from just walking on the field. That's all he did. He didn't do anything crazy
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All he did was getting himself ready to to go out on the field and he just he just went out on the field
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Boop and he just or so
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But I will say this in this in this situation is very unique because both the GM
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And the agent have somewhat confirmed that you know, they are close to getting a deal done
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They said probably within the next few days will probably get one
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So who was to say, you know, maybe it'll happen, you know tomorrow or the day after tomorrow or the day after tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow
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Who knows but I will say this
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The Packers are definitely one of that one of the outliers when it comes to the quarterback position, right?
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You are talking about a team who really has you know hit when it comes to quarterbacks
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It's I and I want to put it into a perspective like this, right?
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They had Bart Starr, okay, cool. Then you had
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Brett Farr, cool. Then you had Aaron Rodgers, cool. Now you got Jordan Love
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All right, think about that for a second. Remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, I
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remember clear as day
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People were losing their minds off of that off of the draft and I'm chuckling about it because I was watching the
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the Pat McAfee show because they were they were live streaming it and one of one of the guys that actually work
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For Pat McAfee one of his friends was just losing his mind because he's like, yo, we could have gotten a receiver
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We could have gotten this we could have gotten that but we got Jordan Love and you know when you really look at it
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It was a blessing in disguise because
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Now when you really look at it the Packers in some ways have won that trade with Aaron Rodgers
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Because now you have a productive a young productive quarterback who basically
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You know play play the full season
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Very well and his stats show it. All right
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When you look at his stats for for this past season just as this past season, right?
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He had a 64.2 percent
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completion completion percentage, excuse me
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He was
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372 completed passes out of
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529 attempted passes. He had
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4159 passing yards 32 touchdowns 11 interceptions. He had a
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47.6 passing percentage, right? Now when you think of passing percentage, you probably wonder what is that?
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Well, I will inform you because as my GM it is my duty to inform you of these new things, right?
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So passing success rate, right is basically the successful pass gains at least 40 percent of yards required on the first down
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60 percent of yards required on second down in a hundred percent on third or fourth downs according to probe football reference
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Shout out to them, right? And so I say all that to say this
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That Packers team has not lost the beat. It has it's actually they are a very dangerous
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dangerous offense because what you're seeing is
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Jordan Love has already shown like hey, I can do this. I
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Can do this. I don't I don't care anyone says I know there were a lot of people
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I know there's a lot of you know, hey sayers nay sayers people saying this people saying that people saying I couldn't do it
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People saying that you know, they should get rid of them. Just keep Aaron Rogers, but guess what I can do it
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I'm here. I'm that guy. I am him
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Hymn the Hemi Tron Hemi Williams, right? Hemi Jordan. That's who I am
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That's what he said. That's what he's showing and so, you know, he has to be fairly compensated for that
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You know, I will probably say the best thing for him
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Was for him to sit on under Aaron Rogers because it allowed him to be able to see the various
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You know situations that you're gonna have to endure with being a franchise quarterback. It does and
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you know
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History has shown that the Packers have handled the quarterback
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Transition fairly well. They had Aaron Rogers sit under Brett Favre
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They had Jordan Love sit under Aaron Rogers and my mind both of those situations played out fairly well
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It really did now, you know, who was to say that, you know, Jordan Love will continue to do the same thing
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I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball. I keep telling you guys that my crystal ball is still charging is on the right side
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It was in the right corner of my office. Okay, it's in the right corner of my office still charging. It's about at what?
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65 65. Okay. Yeah 60%
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Okay, so I'm saying all that to say this Jordan Love has definitely wowed a lot of people
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And he's gonna continue to do it. He is you're talking about somebody
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who is
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You know is going toe-to-toe with some of the best offenses in his own division
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Not only in his own division when you look at the Lions offense, that's top tier when you look at the Vikings offense
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That's top tier when you look at the Bears. They have the potential not right now
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Potential to be a top offense
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That's a lot. That is a whole lot
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Now who was to say that, you know, this will it'll be this
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somewhat offensive frenzy within that division do I believe it's gonna happen possibly
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But the only difference is out of all of those teams, right?
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The Bears the Lions and the Packers are the only three teams that actually have defenses to
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You know to make a critical stop the Vikings really don't
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But who knows maybe things will change, but I'm gonna say all that to say this, right?
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When you look at Jordan Jordan loves his market value, right?
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Jordan loves his market value. It's four years two hundred and eleven point eight
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Million dollars
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That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money if you would have told me
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That we would be having quarterback deals that would crest over it the hundred million dollar mark
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Even the two hundred million dollar mark. I would have called you a liar
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I would have laughed at you until I couldn't breathe
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But it's now become a norm
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Now does Jordan love deserve all that money?
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Yes and no
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I will probably say they still need probably a few more pieces just to just to like really make them like
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You know more than a playoff team possibly a Super Bowl team
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I do think and I still you know
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I still do believe that if a quarterback does take a little a little bit less it gives the team flexibility to
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Go after you know a top tier player just to really change things up and to really
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Boost their odds of you know making a deep play off right now
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You know is there a chance that you know Jordan love could take less? Yes, it is a possibility
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but
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You know who was to say that he would get another opportunity like this to be making this type of money, right?
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So, you know
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Congratulations to Jordan love because I know he's gonna get his deal fairly soon and when he does we would definitely report on that
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But what in the episode here if you guys like what you are listening, please please please please please
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I would love to you know debate with you guys about you know various topics like you know
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Why you know TJ Y is the best defensive player in the league do not argue with me. Just know that is a fact
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Not fiction, but a fact
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Okay, and why the Pittsburgh Steelers may possibly may possibly
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I got I got to crack myself up when I say this may possibly make a deep playoff run
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Who knows but as always I hope I gave you guys the fix that you guys need I understand this is probably a little bit short
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But just just just just work with me. Okay, just work. We're gonna put out
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We're gonna be pushing out more content for you guys. All right, because guess what?
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Things are about to heat up because why everybody is reporting to training camp and you know what that means
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more people reporting which means more bag alerts or means more
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Celebration of bag alerts or means more content for you guys, which means everybody is happy and as always
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I love you guys peace. Love. I am out later