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Episode 13: THE LIES - The Duping of America · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_01: Clearly, there is another motive here.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, like I don't like to talk about necessarily other people's motives because I'm not that person, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I don't, I'm not inside their heads.
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SPEAKER_01: But if you are getting money from a company, you are gonna feel pressure to approve that drug or vaccine in this case, right?
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SPEAKER_01: That is human nature.
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SPEAKER_01: You are gonna feel feel pressure to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi everybody, I'm Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Cena McKella.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you for joining me on Beyond Labels.
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SPEAKER_01: Today, Joel and I have a special treat.
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SPEAKER_01: We have put together a three-part series called The COVID Lies.
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SPEAKER_01: This series was recorded for all people, not just unvaccinated people.
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SPEAKER_01: For Joel and I, this series is about exercising informed consent and finding solutions.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe you're trying to decide if you should get the vaccine because your job's mandating it.
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SPEAKER_01: Or maybe you already got the vaccine, but you want to know how to detox from it, or maybe you had a reaction and you want to know why.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe you're wondering if you should allow your child to get vaccinated.
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SPEAKER_01: Or maybe you're seeking medical or religious exemption and you need to know more information about what's in the vaccine.
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SPEAKER_01: No matter your vaccination status or preference, we believe it's important to know what's in the vaccine and the politics around it.
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SPEAKER_01: So without further ado, welcome to the COVID Lies.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome everyone to the Beyond Labels Podcast with myself, Joel Salatin, and my great uh cohort, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough, uh co-author of the book Beyond Labels, that is very much still available.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh we hope you have it or get it and share it with your friends.
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SPEAKER_00: But today uh we're going to c we're going to drill down a little bit on the conflicts of interest within the whole kind of vaccine COVID uh uh uh rollout.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, a conflict of interest is when is when somebody has loyalties, loyalties that cloud their judgment.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I think if if we're looking for a single little definition for conflict of interest, that's what it is.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, in other words, your your objectivity, and and of course, none of us is truly objective, we know that, but but your your objectivity in your reason, your thinking is clouded because you have uh uh a loyalty to some other place.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, uh I think it's uh Teddy Roosevelt who's credited with saying it's very difficult for a person to see something when uh when their income depends on not seeing it or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh that's what that's what we're gonna deal with today.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena's been uh doing a little bit of sleuthing on this, and uh so we're gonna we're gonna turn it over to Cena and let her share some examples of these conflicts of interest within the COVID vaccine community.
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SPEAKER_01: Great, thanks, Joel.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so before we get started, I want to do a couple things.
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SPEAKER_01: One is I wanted to share some exciting news that uh I got this notification that you know how all podcasts are ranked in different categories.
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SPEAKER_01: So our podcast is actually in the category of health and fitness.
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SPEAKER_01: So even though our podcast is very new, it was actually ranked um number 45 in amongst all the podcasts in the United States.
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SPEAKER_01: And actually, it's ranked number 19 in Hungary.
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SPEAKER_01: So I thought that was exciting news because we're so new.
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SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to just take a moment to thank all the viewers and all the listeners for making this possible because the whole point of this podcast is to really help educate, inform people so that we can all make good um choices in the marketplace and we could all move the market together.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm just very grateful for everybody who's helping to launch this podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, grateful to the whole tribe.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and along those lines, Joel and I wanted to encourage people to submit questions because this podcast is for all of you.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you have questions for Joel or myself, you can either email email us.
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SPEAKER_01: My email is in the description box.
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SPEAKER_01: You can write your questions in the comment box.
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SPEAKER_01: And also, Nolan, who is our editor and videographer, he's created um a form that where there's a link in the description box box to it, and you can just write your questions in on the form.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you want to go ahead and do that, and we'll answer your questions in the mailbox um sessions.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's get started.
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SPEAKER_01: To really emphasize how important these conflicts of interest are, I just want to quickly summarize bullet points of where we are to date in terms of um independent studies and reports on the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the vaccine.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the CDC director has come out and admitted that the vaccines do not stop transmission of the virus.
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SPEAKER_01: We also know that the vaccinated carry viral loads that are very high and they're similar to unvaccinated.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, these are averages, of course, across all these studies.
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SPEAKER_01: We also know that vaccinated people are equally as infectious as unvaccinated people.
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SPEAKER_01: And most of the data seems to imply at this point, you know, this is the not the data that's not falsified, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So that among that data, it seems to imply that infection is around 50-50.
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SPEAKER_01: So 50% vaccinated, 50% unvaccinated are getting these infections.
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SPEAKER_01: Of course, there's a huge range involved amongst these studies and these reports.
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SPEAKER_01: So, for instance, in the UK, they've been reporting 70% of deaths occurred in the vaccinated population.
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SPEAKER_01: And this was um from the Delta variant.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and then in Israel, for instance, vaccinated individuals had a 13-fold increased risk of breakthrough infections with Delta uh variant compared to individuals who were previously infected.
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SPEAKER_01: And at one point, Israel was reporting that 90% of hospitalizations were actually among the vaccinated individuals.
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SPEAKER_01: Here in the US, there was a hospital who tracked it themselves, and they showed that 90% of those who were hospitalized were also vaccinated.
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SPEAKER_01: But again, these numbers vary and it depends on what point you're looking at.
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SPEAKER_01: But you can't say that the unvaccinated are not going to the hospitals and that they are not infecting other people.
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SPEAKER_01: We also know now that even after someone's been quote unquote fully vaccinated, there's a waning of the antibody response and of T cell immunity to COVID-19.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's at least by six months.
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SPEAKER_01: Some studies have shown it earlier than that, around four months.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and this is, of course, the excuse to push the boosters on people, which at this rate, they're gonna be boosters for life, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Like every six months, you're gonna have to have a booster.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, now I also want to point out real fast that the implication, if you look at all these studies and all these reports together, the implication is this the vaccinated people may in fact be driving this pandemic, and it may not actually be the unvaccinated people.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, now this also fits into data that that Joel I shared with us.
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SPEAKER_01: I shared with you guys, I believe it was last week.
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SPEAKER_01: It was when I talked about a study that came out looking at different countries and various counties across the US, and the data was showing that on average the highest transmission areas were where were where they had the highest vaccination rates, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Another indication that the vaccinated individuals may be driving the pandemic.
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SPEAKER_01: And just to add credence to that, I want to point this out.
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SPEAKER_01: There was a Nobel Prize winner, um, and I'm gonna totally butcher his name.
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SPEAKER_01: He's French.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like Luc um Montagnir.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, have you heard of him?
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SPEAKER_01: Um I can't even pronounce it very well.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll write it in the notes.
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SPEAKER_01: But Monte Montagnier, he was a French virologist.
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SPEAKER_01: He received the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine for his discovery of HIV.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: He came out and he said this the vaccines don't stop the virus.
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SPEAKER_01: They do the opposite.
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SPEAKER_01: They quote, feed the virus and they facilitate its development into stronger and more transmittable variants.
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SPEAKER_01: These new variants will be more resistant to vaccination and may cause more health implications than the quote unquote original versions.
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SPEAKER_01: He also said that the vaccine program for coronavirus was a quote, unacceptable mistake, and that mass vaccinations are a quote scientific error as well as a medical error.
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SPEAKER_01: And then he went on to say the history books will show that because it's the vaccination that is creating the variance.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's coming from the person who got the Nobel Prize in, you know, in his discovery of HIV, which, as you know by now, most people know this, that there's a lot of similarities, right?
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SPEAKER_01: They had there's segments of this um HIV, this um human immunodeficiency virus on COVID-19.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, he also went on to say this, which is going to lead me into my last point, and we'll get into the conflict of interest.
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SPEAKER_01: He went on to say this in terms of long-term effects.
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SPEAKER_01: Contrary to the claims of the manufacturers of messenger RNA vaccines, there is a risk of integration of viral RNA into the human genome.
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SPEAKER_01: Indeed, each of our cells has endogenous retroviruses with the ability to reverse transcriptase from RNA into DNA.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, this is what I mentioned when we had the COVID Lives podcast on short-term or long-term effects.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, that we that this is a possibility.
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SPEAKER_01: It might be rare, but it's still a possibility.
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SPEAKER_01: And one thing that I found interesting, the last thing I want to share, is that there's a new study that just came out, and I'm gonna pull it up to quote it.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, this is a study in the journal Viruses.
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SPEAKER_01: And what they showed was the full-length spike protein, it actually does enter the nucleus.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, this is in vivo.
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SPEAKER_01: I sorry, this is in um in vitro.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: This is in vitro, it's not in vivo, but this is where we start, right?
10:57
SPEAKER_01: When we're testing things, we often start um in vitro.
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SPEAKER_01: So this was an in vitro study, and they showed that the full-length spike protein does, in fact, enter the nucleus.
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SPEAKER_01: When it's in the nucleus, it inhibits um DNA damage repair.
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SPEAKER_01: So when DNA is damaged, it's going to inhibit your body's ability to repair that damage, and it inhibits it by up to 90%.
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SPEAKER_01: And what that means in terms in the immediate is that you can't produce functional um B and T cells, which leads to immunodeficiency.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and and then my question was okay, well, the study saying that full-length spike proteins enter the nucleus.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, what length of spike proteins are they using in the mRNA, mRNA vaccines?
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SPEAKER_01: They use the full-length spike protein.
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SPEAKER_01: So the implication is that um the spike protein that's in these vaccines, the spike protein that is made from the mRNA vaccines, it's made by your body, it can actually get into the nucleus and cause um inability to repair damage.
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SPEAKER_01: And let me just read it from the study, what they found.
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SPEAKER_01: So they say our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism behind which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based uh vaccines.
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SPEAKER_01: Our findings provide evidence of the spike protein hijacking the DNA damage repair machinery and adaptive immune machinery in vitro.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and then let's see.
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SPEAKER_01: They basically go on to talk about so you shouldn't make um you shouldn't make vaccines with the full-length spike proteins.
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SPEAKER_01: Like that was the advice at the end of it.
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SPEAKER_00: But I mean, that's that's the whole, but in other words, if you shouldn't make vaccines like that, that's what the vaccines are, correct?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's what the vaccine is.
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SPEAKER_01: That it causes your body to make the spike protein, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So that it so that in theory you can make antibodies against it, and then the next time you're exposed, right, it will fight it off.
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SPEAKER_01: So but they're showing that it actually does get into the nucleus, at least in vitro.
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SPEAKER_01: And so this goes back to the whole there's no um humility here.
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SPEAKER_01: They there's no real appreciation of unintended consequences, as we discussed in in the last podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: But we can see now um how it hasn't even been that long, what, 10 months or so since it's really rolled out?
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SPEAKER_01: And already scientists are now finding some of these unintended consequences, which have potential to make people sick, not only in the immediate, because you've just immunocompromised somebody, but in the long term, right?
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SPEAKER_01: What's gonna happen if you can't repair damaged DNA?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So so as you as you go, I mean, I was just writing these down.
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SPEAKER_00: It was almost you almost had a laundry list there, a laundry list of things.
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SPEAKER_00: And as you go down, uh, you know, one of the things we say around here is you see something, you say, Well, goodness, even if it's only 50% right, uh, it's still pretty significant.
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SPEAKER_00: And and that's why I feel like looking at this laundry list of things, um, even if it's 50% right, that's still uh enough to be uh uh uh quite concerned.
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SPEAKER_00: So so with this preponderance of again, the laundry list, with this preponderance of of indictments, if you will, uh that you've or or or certainly you know certainly serious scientific questions, yes, uh of of the uh uh of the implications and the whatever the uh the promises, the the the promises of the of the COVID vaccine, um then why and and I'm I'm I'm baiting you, of course, Cena, um why why is this so buried?
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SPEAKER_00: Why uh do we consistently hear news reports that that you know uh hospitals are full of unvaccinated and and I mean and and and what when when somebody dies from COVID now, you know, like somebody very uh famous or a celebrity or whatever, a a politician, it it they they never say that he was vaccinated, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and and you know and I know that that many of these big names that have died uh from COVID were were vaccinated, in fact, especially if they were in the you know Biden administration.
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SPEAKER_00: So so uh so where are we now?
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SPEAKER_00: Now now tell us why this is so um this laundry list that you just read is so buried.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's certainly at a minimum, it challenges the need for universal vaccination, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And for vaccination amongst our children.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's where I want to go first in this conflict of interest, is as you know, we discussed this last time, the FDA advisory panel did approve the Pfizer vaccine for children um ages five to 11.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's start with conflict of interest there on that advisory panel.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and this is from, I'll post a link to this.
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SPEAKER_01: This is from Zero Hedge.
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SPEAKER_01: They actually did a fantastic job of showing this conflict of interest.
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SPEAKER_01: So this is, I'm gonna read this from their article.
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SPEAKER_01: The meeting roster, so this is the FDA committee members that met to approve or disapprove the vaccine for the children ages 5 to 11.
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SPEAKER_01: So that meeting roster shows numerous members of the committee and temporary voting members have worked for Pfizer or major or have major connections to Pfizer.
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SPEAKER_01: Members of this board included a former vice president of Pfizer vaccines.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, you think there's any conflict of interest there?
17:14
SPEAKER_01: All right, he was the vice president.
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SPEAKER_01: And when he was working at Pfizer, um he actually launched a vaccine for kids.
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SPEAKER_01: There was also on this board a recent Pfizer consultant.
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SPEAKER_01: There was a recent Pfizer research grant recipient.
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SPEAKER_01: There was a man who mentored a current top Pfizer vaccine executive.
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SPEAKER_01: There was a man who runs a center that gives out Pfizer vaccines.
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SPEAKER_01: Um there was the chair of a Pfizer data group.
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SPEAKER_01: Um there was also a guy that went around and proudly photographed himself taking the Pfizer vaccines.
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SPEAKER_01: And then there are and then there are other numerous people, including scientists, who are already on the record supporting a coronavirus vaccine for children.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's the the board, uh the members of this committee.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, that seems so impartial, don't you think?
18:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, uh, you know, Cena, I'm sure you've seen the the old um documentary movie Food Inc.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it it made quite a quite a stir when it did.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: And uh, and my my favorite little segment, it doesn't last very long, toward the end of that documentary.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: My favorite segment was where they took those business cards and they flipped them, you know, industry, industry to government, industry to government, industry to government, and and they showed this revolving door.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, we hear about the revolving door, but uh, but you've just put you've just put names to it and feed on it.
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SPEAKER_00: Um you know, it it's it's like it's like um uh I mean the analogies are are myriad.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean it's it's like asking uh uh it's like asking a committee of Baptists if uh uh if sprinkling is okay for baptism, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean you you you can't you can't make this stuff up.
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SPEAKER_00: If you were if you were to to create a stacked deck uh uh uh against a this decision, uh you couldn't make it more obvious than this.
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SPEAKER_00: It's unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And so talk about that.
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SPEAKER_01: So I want to bring up a couple things because you just hit it on the head.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you go to the FDA's website, they're um looking for uh people to apply to be on these advisory committees.
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SPEAKER_01: And under the one that's roster of the vaccines and related biological products advisory committee, this is what it says.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, as part of the FDA's ongoing efforts to recruit qualified experts with minimal conflicts of interest who are interested in serving on the advisory committee.
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SPEAKER_01: They're looking for people.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: But so they're they're even advertising minimal conflicts of interest.
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SPEAKER_01: And seriously, I just read this off to you.
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SPEAKER_01: Is that the best we could do in terms of minimal conflicts of interest?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'll do you one better.
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SPEAKER_01: So talk about the revolving door.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I'm sure you've probably seen um Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Scott Gottlieb on like the major news outlets.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, he's like the media face of COVID vaccines are safe, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And they they normally will list him as like a um the former commissioner of the FDA, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So you think, oh, he's credible.
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SPEAKER_01: He's worked in in the FDA, he's worked with vaccines, he knows.
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SPEAKER_01: So if I'm gonna trust anybody, it's that expert.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, they they are not as quick to always reveal that he has deep industry ties.
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SPEAKER_01: So um right now he actually is, and this is on the Pfizer's website, he's a Pfizer director.
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SPEAKER_01: So he works for Pfizer, he's um the chair of regulatory and compliance committee and a member of the science technology committee.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, he's also you know a contributor on CNBC, which is one reason why you see him on all these news shows.
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SPEAKER_01: But before that, talk about the revolving door.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, he served on boards of pharmaceutical companies, you know, went back and forth to the FDA.
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SPEAKER_01: Um he received at one in 2015, he received almost$200,000 from four pharmaceutical companies for consulting, travel, and for making marketing speeches.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: So he basically, you know, marketed these pharmaceuticals.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and, you know, before that, he was FDA's deputy commissioner for medical and scientific affairs.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you name it.
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SPEAKER_01: He goes on and on.
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SPEAKER_01: And he has pushed that the FDA needs to speed up the approval process of medicines, which is exactly what he's trying to promote now, right, on these major news um outlets, is push getting it approved quicker, right?
21:58
SPEAKER_01: Because we have to save Everybody.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: And as you know, we already talked about this in one of our previous podcasts on the FDA and the drug side.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: The Congress already passed laws to get drugs to the market faster, even allowing drugs to be used before the study actually showed that they extended or improved lives.
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SPEAKER_01: And I will add that some of these, some of these drugs, later on, studies were done to show that they were not effective and they're left on the market.
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SPEAKER_01: So, anyhow, he has been a big advocate for speeding up the approval process.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is a huge revolving door example right here.
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SPEAKER_01: And now he's basically the face of COVID vaccines are safe and they're safe for our children, and we should all do it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he writes, uh, I I subscribe to the Wall Street Journal, and and uh he he writes routinely in the op-ed section of the Wall Street Journal, um, you know, as as that, yeah, as that advocate.
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SPEAKER_00: So what so what we have here seeing is we have we have people on the payroll who have spent their life advocating uh for and inside the drug companies.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and and they are the darlings, the darlings of the alleged objective government face.
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SPEAKER_00: You couldn't make it up.
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SPEAKER_00: You you could you couldn't pick people, you couldn't pick people out of the population that would be that were more guilty of conflicts than what we actually have.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I know.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: And I tell you, Joel, I was I was kind of dreading this podcast because I thought, oh man, I'm gonna have to do a lot of research to figure out where the conflict of interests are.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, I found all of this in about 10 minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: It's right there, it's right on their website.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I said, his revolving door, it's right there on Pfizer's website.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not like they're even trying to hide it anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh people just aren't looking.
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unknown: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: They're scared and they're trusting.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: It's it's the same as you know, uh the people in uh in Tyson and Purdue and Cargill are on all the USDA advisory committees.
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SPEAKER_00: The the the people that run the um anyway, yeah, it it's it's it's the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And and why anybody, why anybody would who who, for example, uh distrusts the edicts from the USDA because they're you know they're uh they're biased, uh, thinks that that does not happen in another agency, you know, you're living with your head in the sand, folks.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, both of us have outlined many examples in our books about the revolving door on the food supply.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: You know, it was in um to get RBGH passed, to get GMOs passed.
24:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you just see this long line of revolving door, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And and it's not any different in the other arm of the FDA, as I'm just showing you example right here.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: And I'll include the links in the description so anybody can go and look at these for themselves.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Now, I wanted to add something.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: So, okay, so we see this immense conflict of interest.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: I already set it up by showing you what the um unbiased studies are showing at this point in terms of the vaccine is not delivering on its promise, right?
25:28
SPEAKER_01: So, how could these um quote-unquote experts on this FDA advisory panel possibly approve this for children, right?
25:36
SPEAKER_01: Like what scientific basis do they have to give this drug uh to our children?
25:42
SPEAKER_01: So I want to share a quote.
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SPEAKER_01: This is from one of the FDA voting members.
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SPEAKER_01: This was during that um that committee meeting where they approved the use of the Pfizer vaccine for children ages five to 11.
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SPEAKER_01: This is what he says.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: We're never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Literally, that's what he's saying about our children.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna learn how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: I mean, doesn't this remind you of as soon as I heard that, I thought it remember Nancy Pelosi when they're trying to pass Obamacare?
26:20
SPEAKER_01: She's like, we have to pass it so you can find out what's in it.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: To find out what's in it.
26:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, that yeah, that's exactly what I thought of as soon as you said that.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh that that's un that's unbelievable.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Um it's like it's like it's like we've gotta we we've we've gotta start spraying Roundup everywhere to decide whether it's uh safe or not.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: It's just unbelievable.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: Uh this is appalling too.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: And I get maybe because you know, I have young children and one of mine was vaccine damaged.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: When I heard him say that, there's a video of him actually saying that.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: So you can you can watch him himself saying it.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: When I heard that, I thought, how unconscionable, how unconscionable.
27:01
SPEAKER_01: They know they are admitting right there that our children are guinea pigs, that they don't even know how safe it is.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna try it out on our kids to see what happens when we have all of this data, right?
27:14
SPEAKER_01: I mean, and and children, there have been some children who have died from um from COVID infections.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: That is true.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: If you look at that data, most of them were already immunocompromised.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: They already had some kind of you know morbidity.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: And that leukemia or something.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: It's a very small percentage.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, tiny, tiny.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, compared to how many millions have already had COVID.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: And now they want us to offer up our children on a platter so they can experiment on them just to push through this vaccine.
27:46
SPEAKER_01: So as soon as I heard that, I started digging into what are the conflicts of interest.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: And that just made me irate when I found out about all those conflicts of interest, because clearly there is another motive here.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: You know, like I don't like to talk about necessarily other people's motives because I'm not that person, right?
28:04
SPEAKER_01: I don't, I'm not inside their heads.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: But if you are getting money from a company, you are gonna feel pressure to approve that drug or vaccine in this case, right?
28:18
SPEAKER_01: That is human nature.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: You are gonna feel feel pressure to do that, especially if it's something like grant money.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: And we know one of the people at least already um received research grant money.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: You when you're in research, that grant money um that's your lifeboat.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: You have to have that grant money.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: And I've seen this, it's one reason why I got out of academia, is because it was very political.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it was it is driven by the grant money.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: And so you see in real time people making compromises that wasn't willing to make.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this happens all the time.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, when I was uh my two and a half year stint as an investigative uh journalist at the local uh daily newspaper here, uh right after college, before I came back to the farm full time, um I was I was equally amazed at the number of of stories in journalism.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: We call it spiking.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: When you spike a story, you know, it means you means you kill it.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh spike a story.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: I had stories spike because you know, I would I would uncover you know corruption or or graft or something, and oh, well, we can't run that story.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: He's in the Kiwanis Club with me, or he's in the rotary club with one of our big uh advertisers.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: And so we we know we know that the money flow, the pay flow, whether it's grants, advertising, uh uh commerce, business, whatever it is, the money flow uh tends to taint, tends to taint the the perceptions, the the the eyeballs, you know, the the eyeballs of a person.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Um uh goodness.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm guilty.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh who can't be guilty?
30:05
SPEAKER_00: Me, if if I had um if we have a a really big client here, a client on the farm that say buys a lot of food from us, and we hear dirt on that person, if it's a really good customer, I tend to say, ah, I'm not sure about that.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: Um and and and so so all this is not something that you and I are immune from.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: We have to we have to appreciate that as humans, our psyche, we're we're uh we're we're subject to this kind of of prejudice, this kind of bias, this kind of pressure.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh I am, you are, everybody listening to us is.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: And to think that these big uh powerful agencies are somehow immune from it is just uh crazy.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: So so so so it it so it does permeate throughout academia, throughout this research, throughout the the press releases, the public exposure, the statisticians, the databases, you know, the the cherry picking of information?
31:13
SPEAKER_00: It's all it's all subject to this very human, uh, you know, uh the very human uh uh you know push that we're all you know that we're all subject to.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: And you started out by asking me the question is why isn't um the basically those bullet points I rolled off about vaccine not fulfilling its promise, why is this buried, right?
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Like why isn't why aren't these front page news?
31:43
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so have you heard of the trusted news initiative?
31:47
SPEAKER_00: No, I haven't.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: So this is actually a real thing.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: Like when I first heard about this, I thought, no, that can't be true.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this there is a something called a trusted news initiative.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and it um it so I have an article here from December 2020.
32:05
SPEAKER_01: And this is what it says.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: Um it's it's titled Trusted News Initiative to Combat Spread of Harmful Vaccine Disinformation.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it announces major research project.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: So here's the director general of the trusted news initiative.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: It says the trusted news initiative partners, um, they will continue to work together to ensure legitimate concerns about future vaccinations are heard, whilst harmful disinformation myths are stopped in their tracks.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: It says the trusted news information um partners, so there's um partners working together that belong to this trusted news initiative.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: It says that they will alert each other to disinformation, which poses an immediate threat to life.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: So content can be reviewed promptly by platforms whilst publishers ensure they don't unwittingly republish dangerous falsehoods.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: And it says that the Trusted News Initiative is already working together to tackle the spread of harmful coronavirus disinformation and has previously had a successful um running and rapid alert system during general elections and including the US presidential election.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: So um this trusted news initiative is made up of at least these companies, right?
33:21
SPEAKER_01: This is on their own website: the BBC, Facebook, Google, YouTube, Twitter, Reuters, European Broadcast Union, the Washington Post, Financial Times, Microsoft, CBC, and Associated Press.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: And their goal is to quote stop harmful disseminate uh disinformation.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: And um so I heard that I have not been able to um confirm this yet, but Dr.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: Peter McCullough um came forward and said that the major media outlets, um the liberal major media outlets, agreed to um crush early treatment and promote vaccine safety, um, and that because they're part of this trusted news initiative.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: And apparently he, according to Dr.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: Peter McCullough, Fox News didn't agree to be part of this initiative.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: Again, I have not been able to confirm that, um, but this is what he's stating, and he's one of the he's one of the leading experts at this point in coronavirus and in this situation.
34:23
SPEAKER_01: So he's saying that the other major media outlets, so this would be, you know, like MSNBC, you know, those um, that they're part of this initiative, or at least following in Locke's step with the trusted news initiative, if they're not, you know, actually joined with it.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: And this actually makes sense because 75% of funding for mainstream media comes from the pharmaceutical industry.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: No, outside of elections.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: So outside of an election year, about 75% of the funding for mainstream media comes from this pharmaceutical industry.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, in 2000, in 2020, for instance, the pharmaceutical industry spent almost$4.6 billion on ads.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, so you know, to convince us to take their products.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: So clearly, if 75% of the funding for mainstream news organizations is gonna come from the pharmaceutical industry, there's clearly gonna be some bias there, right?
35:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, pharmaceutical industries in some form or another are gonna control the narrative.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: Hence, I think this is one reason why the push for the vaccine continues and um crushing any stories that challenge the efficacy of the vaccine um is commonplace now.
35:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh you're exactly right.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: And you don't have to be a you don't have to be a statistician, you know, uh scientist to appreciate the you know the the prejudicial pressure that that kind of income flow uh generates.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've watched this throughout, you know, when when sustainable ag started coming in and and and and you know the the this is basically a trade association.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: It's basically a trade association, um uh uh you know encouraged by the pharmaceutical companies to circle the wagons.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: Um I've seen that, you know, in the food industry, the the big uh agribusiness corporations uh circle the wagons to protect to protect, for example, um uh you know using using antibiotics and animal agriculture.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh it it's simply a trade association.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: And there's there's nothing wrong with a trade association.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: You just you just have to realize what these what these trade associations are, and they're here to you know uh make sure my ox does not get gored, right?
36:51
SPEAKER_00: Nobody wants their own ox to get gored.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: And so um, and so when your ox is getting gored, you know, you you circle the wagons to do it.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're about out of time on this, Cena.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: Is this um is this the is this the basic, I mean, you you've really uh blown the you know, whatever, blown the top off of this this illusion, this illusion that when these people get interviewed on MSNBC, CNBC, and or they write art columns in USA Today and stuff, you know, um the the the illusion is that these are um disconnected, uh independent-minded, you know, name whatever you want to name there, when actually uh when we this is not Russian collusion, it's it's it's pharmaceutical collusion.
37:43
SPEAKER_00: It's it's pharmaceutical collusion uh posturing as as um as disinterested third party academic research.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: And and so uh we we have a uh a along with doping of America, we have the duping of America.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: I just came up with that.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: How about that?
38:09
SPEAKER_01: That's what we should title this segment, the duping of America.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: The duping of America, yeah, yeah.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: No, you're that's that's absolutely correct.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: Um these they're impartial.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're they're not they're partial, they're not impartial.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: And so the the whole point of this for me, the whole point of this podcast is to further informed consent.
38:35
SPEAKER_01: So don't just trust somebody because they're saying it.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: You know, don't be, oh, an advisory panel of the FDA made up of these experts that must know a lot of information.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: They've said it's okay for my child to have this vaccine.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: Don't just blindly trust them because people have motives, all right.
38:53
SPEAKER_01: And we all do, just like Joel said, we all have motives, and that's that's just human nature, right?
39:00
SPEAKER_01: It's we're how we're gonna separate from that, that's a whole other conversation.
39:03
SPEAKER_01: But the point is there are motives here, and um whether consciously or un or subconsciously, they come out and be aware of them, be aware of the motives um so that you do give informed consent and beware that there is the revolving door, there are conflicts of interest, and um that there these news, quote unquote news uh information outlets, let's call them, um, are working together to try to promote a certain narrative and suppress another, a different narrative.
39:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so one thing I want to say is that's one reason why we have we're trying to move our video platform over to Rumble, right?
39:46
SPEAKER_01: Because YouTube um is part of this trusted news initiative where they are censoring, as we all know now.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: So one thing I'm trying to do is not support those companies, you know, as best as I can, I don't want to give them my dollars.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: So I'm trying to support other companies that are promoting like free speech and whatnot.
40:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, and that they're basically allowing us to speak.
40:08
SPEAKER_01: So that's why we switched to Rumble.
40:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, so anytime that you can, I would encourage people to use the free market while we still can um and vote vote with your dollars that way by supporting companies and organizations and people who are aligned with your principles.
40:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we say we say that uh, you know, vote with your food dollars uh to patronize, you know, farmers who build soil and and uh provide nutrient-dense food.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: And we vote here uh for you know for an open open platform uh of speech.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: And uh so yeah, all of this um, you know, we we the this the scarce money that we have, um, we want to put that on on uh platforms that that share our values as well.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: So thank you, Cena.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for doing this research for us.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh thank you all for listening and being a part of this.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh pass this on if you find this information interesting or or shocking as the case may be.
41:09
SPEAKER_00: And uh and let's continue to truly stand for truth.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: Isn't it interesting how all these outfits take these wonderful but not you know trusted news initiative?
41:19
SPEAKER_00: You know, that that that may that makes you assume that all that this is uh this is the true uh you know honorable, sacred, righteous uh group, but but in fact, it's just more uh it's just clever speak for a trade association.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: And and that's and that's what you know, that's what we're watching.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: So uh thank you all, and we'll see you next time.