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  Speaker 1: Is the bold report.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight warnings of a new world war as Vladimir Putin's
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  Speaker 2: cronies now laugh at Donald Trump. Another global warming prediction
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  Speaker 2: a dud exposed, but look at the damage now done.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, the gas giant boss says the government's screen
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  Speaker 2: electricity plans are going so badly that it today had
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  Speaker 2: to let it pump more gas instead. That's more proof
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  Speaker 2: the Albanies. He government won the election, but all its
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  Speaker 2: disasters are still there. Also tonight, why are these people
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  Speaker 2: negotiating a treaty with Victoria's work government that gives them
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  Speaker 2: more rights as Aborigines? And that slap is a really
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  Speaker 2: different when the woman doing the hitting is what we
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  Speaker 2: should be talking about? Are rules different for men? But
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: first look politically for Australia, I think this was a
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  Speaker 2: good day. I know most interest is in the coalition
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  Speaker 2: the new team announced today, but they are frankly pretty
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  Speaker 2: irrelevant at the moment. So let me start with the
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  Speaker 2: Albanzi government. This might be tough for service to hear,
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  Speaker 2: but good for the country. The Prime Minister today signaled
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  Speaker 2: he is not letting his massive wind go to his head,
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  Speaker 2: he hopes, and you know then lurching left rather the opposite. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean there wasn't more boasting today, They're sure was.
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  Speaker 3: And now that we have a caucus which is one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty four strong, the largest iop caucus has
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  Speaker 3: ever existed in the Federal Parliament.
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  Speaker 2: But look at what Anthony Albanezi is doing at List today,
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  Speaker 2: his former firebrand from the Labor Left, the man who
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  Speaker 2: in his first speech as Prime Minister three years ago
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  Speaker 2: vowed to divide a strains with his radical voice to Parliament.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's changed a bit, I hope, as I've
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  Speaker 2: noticed before, he doesn't want to be the radical now.
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  Speaker 2: He wants to be more in the center, more like
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  Speaker 2: Mensies Curtain and Howard and last as long as Howard,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we saw that today. First he or
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  Speaker 2: formerly his new Environment Minister Murray Watt to be precise,
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  Speaker 2: approved the extension of the massive Northwest Shelf gas project
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  Speaker 2: for another forty years, after spending the last three years
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  Speaker 2: delaying this increase in fossil fuels. Wicked, wicked, but he
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  Speaker 2: had to really now with his green energy plans in chaos.
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  Speaker 1: The other good thing.
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  Speaker 2: Today was Albanizer refusing to join other countries and imposing
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  Speaker 2: sanctions on Israel over the war in Gaza. Now, for
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  Speaker 2: the last three years it seemed to go out of
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  Speaker 2: his way attacking Israel, voting against it in the United Nations,
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  Speaker 2: but today there was this.
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  Speaker 3: Now we follow our own path and Australia it terms
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  Speaker 3: our own foreign policy and we're being very consistent the
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  Speaker 3: whole way through. And what people don't say when they
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  Speaker 3: put forward ideas like this is what that means we
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  Speaker 3: currently have. For example, unlike some of those countries, we
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  Speaker 3: don't provide military assets to Israel or to that region,
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  Speaker 3: so we're in different circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's thirty days and these are very small steps,
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  Speaker 2: and we can't forget that Labour still doesn't have any
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  Speaker 2: agenda to make this economy stronger and more productive, to
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  Speaker 2: make houses affordable, to strengthen our military, to make electricy
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  Speaker 2: cheaper and more secure. All those problems are still there.
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  Speaker 2: But now the coalition and I think it's more good
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  Speaker 2: news for the country. I also think it's a tick
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  Speaker 2: for new Liberal leader Susan Lee. The coalition is together
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  Speaker 2: again today after a brief spat, some miscommunications and misjudgments,
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  Speaker 2: but that's all over for now, and I actually felt
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  Speaker 2: looking at Lee and Nationals leader David Little Proud today
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  Speaker 2: that that it seemed determined to get on a bit
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  Speaker 2: a lot better, and any trouble in this relationship I
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  Speaker 2: think probably won't come from other them.
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  Speaker 4: I want to thank you, David for the respectful and
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  Speaker 4: productive way that you and I have engaged throughout this process,
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  Speaker 4: and I know that we will be a great partnership
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  Speaker 4: going forward.
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  Speaker 2: Now to the new ministry Shadow Ministry Now on the whole,
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's good. Importantly, there's some fresh talent,
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  Speaker 2: and even more important is that future stars have been
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  Speaker 2: given important new responsibilities to the ones they've formerly had
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  Speaker 2: to round them out for high office.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's great.
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  Speaker 2: There are some losers I'll get to a bit of
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  Speaker 2: punishment as well, and some promotion of left wing power brokers,
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  Speaker 2: Lee being from the liberal left, the cronies I guess
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  Speaker 2: Alex Hawk for instance. But first the winners. I'll just
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  Speaker 2: go through. The most significant. The Shadow Treasurer is Ted O'Brien.
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  Speaker 2: Now he could choose that portfolio as the deputy Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Leader and let's see how it goes. But underneath him
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  Speaker 2: some very good backup James Patterson, who is Home Affairs
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  Speaker 2: is now shadow Finance minister. That is critical new economic
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  Speaker 2: experience for a future high flyer. And the newly re
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  Speaker 2: elected Tim Wilson he's going to head up industrial relations
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  Speaker 2: employment a small business. I'll tell you that guy is
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  Speaker 2: not going to sit on his hands. So that is
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  Speaker 2: solid if O'Brien performs like he should, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a team that could put some heat on the government.
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  Speaker 2: Former soldier Andrew Hasty, now he's been tipped by many
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  Speaker 2: as a future prime minister. He moves from defense to
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  Speaker 2: Home Affairs. Again, that is broadening him out and just
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  Speaker 2: center that Price, who's a real star, goes from indigenous
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  Speaker 2: strands to defense industries to So she's about a lot
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  Speaker 2: more than race politics, which I think is critical, you know,
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  Speaker 2: building a military I think that's a great fit for her.
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  Speaker 2: Now for those saying, oh look, nab Jipper Price, she
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  Speaker 2: should have got much more, a little reminder, she's only
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  Speaker 2: been in the job for three years. Best walk before
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  Speaker 2: you run. So this seems a team picked with some
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  Speaker 2: sensitivity and smarts. They're just wrapping through a couple more
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  Speaker 2: before it gets to the losers and the meat. Today,
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  Speaker 2: Mikaulia Cash, Foreign Affairs, Okay, whatever. Julian Lisa is back
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  Speaker 2: as Shadow Attorney General. Now I know he quit over
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  Speaker 2: the Voice. He was for it stupidly, but he is
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  Speaker 2: a talent. Angus Taylor has shifted from Treasurer to Defense
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  Speaker 2: had to be if only because well, look talented as
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  Speaker 2: he is in financial matters. He was the shadow Treasurer
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  Speaker 2: who was promising higher taxes than labor, so that was
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  Speaker 2: just too much of a target for labor anyway, Angezelle Capterian,
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  Speaker 2: she goes straight into the Shadow Ministry Communications, one of
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  Speaker 2: several fresh faces despite not even being in Parliament before today.
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: And I think these it's just pretty talented too, and
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  Speaker 2: these changes will make the Liberal Party seem quite different,
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  Speaker 2: which is very important.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the one really really key move the.
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  Speaker 2: Person picked to sort out what the coalition wants to
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  Speaker 2: do about nuclear power and net zero. I mean, will
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  Speaker 2: the coalition fight the net zero tiger has been wholly
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  Speaker 2: writt until now fight it like a lot of nationals
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  Speaker 2: and some Liberals now want. Well, that job is going
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  Speaker 2: to form Immigration spokesman Dan Tian. This man is very careful,
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  Speaker 2: very meticulous. He's workmen like and it's being given a
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  Speaker 2: fairly long leash, possibly even to be able to say
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  Speaker 2: no to net zero udging. From what Lee was hinting.
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  Speaker 4: Today, Australia does have to play its part in the
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  Speaker 4: global response to climate change, but not at any cost.
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  Speaker 4: You can't have an energy policy that crashes our energy
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  Speaker 4: grid and you have to recognize the great manufacturing base
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  Speaker 4: of this country and is built on reliable, secure based
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  Speaker 4: load power.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course i'd like her to give less credence
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  Speaker 2: to the climate change scare than she does. You can't
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  Speaker 2: have everything, and I guess you've got to play it safe.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the area where the coalition will really
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  Speaker 2: be tested. Now the losers, Jane Hume is Dumpedor's finance
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  Speaker 2: spokesman out of the ministry completely. I mean, she's got talent,
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  Speaker 2: but she was blamed for the liberals disastrous working from
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  Speaker 2: home policy and she's got to cop that.
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson also gone, replaced by the up and coming
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Dunniam in education. Bunnaby Joyce and Michael McCormick, both
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  Speaker 2: former Nationals leaders, both dumped by the Nation was the
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  Speaker 2: leader after plotting against them. I guess that is what
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  Speaker 2: that's about. Although there were totals for generational change. They're
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  Speaker 2: not buying it and they're not happy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I wouldn't be human if I didn't say I
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  Speaker 3: was disappointed, and I still have a lot to offer.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I was told that it was generational change,
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  Speaker 5: and a couple of those people who are going to
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  Speaker 5: get jobs are actually older than me.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll talk to Bannaby tomorrow about his reaction to
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  Speaker 2: these stumpings.
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  Speaker 1: Could cause some dissent, but all in all.
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  Speaker 2: I do think this is a future looking team, looking
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  Speaker 2: fresh where it counts. And again I will say that
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  Speaker 2: Lee has here passed a test and shown a new
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  Speaker 2: leadership style.
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  Speaker 4: I've communicated with every member of my party room, all
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  Speaker 4: fifty four because this is a team that draws on
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  Speaker 4: the deep well of the Australian experience. It includes those
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  Speaker 4: who've served in uniform, migrants, and the descendants of the
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  Speaker 4: oldest continue culture on Earth.
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  Speaker 2: There'd be more tests to come, though, I know I
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  Speaker 2: said the Liberals are almost irrelevant, particularly after their hiding
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  Speaker 2: in the election. I mean the numbers of the year.
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  Speaker 2: But it is critical for the country that an opposition
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  Speaker 2: is strong enough to hold the government to account, to
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  Speaker 2: expose and punish its mistakes to keep a focused than
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  Speaker 2: less arrogant. So today I thought both sides a win
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  Speaker 2: and a win. So let the battle for our future
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  Speaker 2: resume to the panel. Camray Milner, former chief of Staff
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  Speaker 2: to Labor Lady Bill Short now director of g XO Strategies,
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  Speaker 2: and Michael Cossler, former New South Wales Labor Treasurer. Michael
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  Speaker 2: First the alban Eazi yesterday to the Northwest Cape gas project.
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  Speaker 1: No to sanctions in Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Are we in fact seeing a more conservative prime minister
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  Speaker 2: already in this second term?
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  Speaker 6: I doubt that. Andrew, I think he had no choice
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  Speaker 6: on the Northwest.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's been a fiasco at the last three
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  Speaker 7: or four years on this issue.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's really the pressure from Western Australia.
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  Speaker 7: They want to get on with it and the Unions,
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  Speaker 7: I might add, because the unions have been pushing also
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  Speaker 7: for that. In terms of Israel, I welcome that, and
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  Speaker 7: I hope you're right. I doubt it. I still haven't
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  Speaker 7: seen Penny Wong out there making the sorts of comments
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  Speaker 7: i'd like to see from the Foreign Minister on this
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  Speaker 7: particular issue. Albernize Is I think, you know, try to
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  Speaker 7: play the center that's good, it's important, but you know
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  Speaker 7: it's early days yet, I think you're being a bit optimistic.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to encourage Mircael. I'm trying to encourage with praise,
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  Speaker 2: get with the program, Cameron about the northst Cake gas extension,
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  Speaker 2: I mean Michael's right to say, you know that, in
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  Speaker 2: a sense the government had no option and it's only
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  Speaker 2: been extended after three years of delaying this decision. But
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  Speaker 2: what does this tell you about Labour's green energy revolution.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it tells you that gas has got to be
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  Speaker 8: fundamental to it. And that's what's good news for Australia.
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  Speaker 8: And I think to your point about the top of
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  Speaker 8: the program, and it's a good day for Australia. We've
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  Speaker 8: got government policy finally getting back on track with our
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  Speaker 8: big resources sector Northwest shelf gas and gas underpinning our future.
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  Speaker 8: And also a shadow opposition that's finally getting thereat together.
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  Speaker 8: So look, good day all round. And you know this,
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  Speaker 8: Alban thees Bloke's growing on me. Andrew, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 8: got two great decisions to say Northwest shelf gas and
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  Speaker 8: rejecting Ed Husick's call for Hamas and GAZA to be
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  Speaker 8: recognized along with a Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think he's actually growing into the role, and
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  Speaker 2: I know that doesn't I'm not saying that to say, Look,
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  Speaker 2: I agree with what he's doing. I vehemently posed to
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  Speaker 2: quite a bit of it. But I think it's gaining
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  Speaker 2: a little gravitas and sort of. I think he's got
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  Speaker 2: this image, Michael, of being stable, not going one way
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  Speaker 2: too far one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's liking this new hymn.
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  Speaker 6: Oh. Look, Andrew, I hope you're right, but that's a
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  Speaker 6: big call. I mean, given his you know, this is
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  Speaker 6: a reflection of ninety.
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  Speaker 7: Four seats in the Lower House and not needing really
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  Speaker 7: to deal with the Greens.
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  Speaker 6: That's what this is a reflection of.
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  Speaker 7: They've obviously got more confidence in policy, but you know,
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  Speaker 7: the fundamental policies on the economy are terrible. You know,
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  Speaker 7: we've still got you know, industrial relations reforms that are
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  Speaker 7: going to strangle our industry.
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  Speaker 6: We've still got the net zero madness.
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  Speaker 7: We've still got immigration at levels that are you know,
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  Speaker 7: causing all sorts of difficulties.
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  Speaker 6: In the housing market. I think it being really optimistic.
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  Speaker 6: I hope you're right, and I hope I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: No, I did caveat by saying vehemently posed to most
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  Speaker 2: you know, much of his program, including every one of
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  Speaker 2: those things you just mentioned. Cameron, the new Coalition team,
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  Speaker 2: what are your highlights here?
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  Speaker 1: What? What did you notice? What did you pick up on? Well?
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  Speaker 8: I think people are getting an opportunity to work out
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  Speaker 8: their comfort zone and show their real skills. You know,
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  Speaker 8: Andrew Hasty being moved out of Defense is great in
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  Speaker 8: the trimper price as well. Obviously, that's really good. I
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  Speaker 8: think people like James McGrath coming through is excellent. Ten
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  Speaker 8: O'Brien is a really bright Queenslander and will be really
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  Speaker 8: able to shine his shadow treasure and he knows his stuff.
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  Speaker 8: Tim Wilson's also really good. So there's a really good
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  Speaker 8: team that's come through there. And isn't it good that
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  Speaker 8: the human hand grenade Jane Hume has finally been turfed out?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, could she blow up the Coalition campaign any
• 14:31
  Speaker 8: harder than she did on the Work from Home and
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  Speaker 8: Chinese Spies? I mean, she costs the Coalition set up
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  Speaker 8: to set up to seat and it's good to see
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  Speaker 8: that finally in competence gets punished.
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  Speaker 2: It was terrible. I mean she knows her phone and stuff.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, she may do massive, massive blues in the election,
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  Speaker 2: and huge. I mean, you can't. You can't overlook that.
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  Speaker 2: I think, what did you make of it?
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  Speaker 1: Marchael?
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  Speaker 7: Well, sticking to my theme of you two beingly optimistic,
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  Speaker 7: I think you're kidding yourselves. I think what you're facing
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  Speaker 7: here is really in terms of electoral terms. When I
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: look at that term, it's like Dad's army fighting the
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  Speaker 7: eighty second Airborne. There's no way that this liberal shadow
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  Speaker 7: cabinet is going to be able to take it up
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  Speaker 7: to the government. And I say that for two reasons. One,
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  Speaker 7: I don't think Susan Laye knows what she believes in.
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  Speaker 7: She was all over the place in the election. She
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  Speaker 7: barely scored one point on the government. And as for Tannor,
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  Speaker 7: Brown is a nice blake. I appreciate all of that,
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  Speaker 7: but he was the blake that had carriage for the
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  Speaker 7: key policy on uranium and couldn't sell it. And you know,
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  Speaker 7: let's not forget that that was well the reason it
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  Speaker 7: couldn't be Crispo on energy.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm not optimistic.
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  Speaker 7: I think Patterson's a good choice, but really in opposition
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  Speaker 7: it's really only the leader and the shadow treasurer, the
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  Speaker 7: count and the rest of them. You know, if they
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: can support, they can support. But the two key things
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  Speaker 7: again reinforce position I said, I think there'll be a
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  Speaker 7: leadership challenge before the end of this term.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I agree there's a question mark over Susan Lee,
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  Speaker 2: but I can only judge you by what she does
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  Speaker 2: while she's in the job. The rest of the just
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  Speaker 2: predictions and the thing about I think you were right, Cameron.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I think Michael might be a little harsh on
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  Speaker 1: teto brian.
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  Speaker 2: He also he could only argue for that nuclear policy
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  Speaker 2: when he was allowed to.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't the leader. And again it seemed to me
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  Speaker 1: that Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 2: His team were running away from that policy and trying
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  Speaker 2: to bury him. In the won debate he had with
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowene, he wiped the floor with him. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what did you make of that?
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  Speaker 8: And I think Angus Taylor was a shocking shadow treasurer,
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  Speaker 8: so he let the side down on tax and the
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  Speaker 8: range of other things. Ted O'Brien is seriously bright and
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  Speaker 8: to Michael's point, yes, you know, in the constraints that
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  Speaker 8: he had around energy difficult portfolio. I think he'll shine
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  Speaker 8: a shadow treasurer. And you know Jim har I was
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  Speaker 8: a very good friend of mine, but I think Jim
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  Speaker 8: has got to have a bit of competition now from Ted.
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  Speaker 2: We shall see Camer Milner, Michael Cossa. Thank you very
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  Speaker 2: much to you both. After the break. There are now
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  Speaker 2: threats of World War three, as Russia is mocking now
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, Europe see some in front is suddenly looking
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  Speaker 2: a lot more dangerous. And I'll pointed it all out.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just lay it all out for you after this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean to keep frightening you or sounding like
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  Speaker 2: a chicken little but war is getting closer, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to put together some pieces of this puzzle for you,
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  Speaker 2: grim new pieces most overlooked by the media here, starting
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  Speaker 2: with US President Donald Trump and how Vladimir Putin's goons
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  Speaker 2: are now laughing openly at him, even threatening him.
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  Speaker 1: This week, I've said.
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  Speaker 2: That Trump is finally realizing that Russia's president has been
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  Speaker 2: treating him like a full talking piece but actually doubling
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  Speaker 2: down on attacking Ukraine. Trump this week called Putin crazy.
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  Speaker 2: An overnighte warned in the Post that what Vladimir Putin
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  Speaker 2: doesn't realize is that if we, if it weren't for me,
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  Speaker 2: lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean really bad. He's playing with fire. That's
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  Speaker 2: by not agreeing to assist for in Ukraine. Now that's
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  Speaker 2: actually Trump admitting he has been protecting Putin so far,
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  Speaker 2: which I have argued was dumb. But in response to
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  Speaker 2: Trump's post, Putin's government controlled RT news channel mocked it,
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  Speaker 2: posting that Trump's message leaves little room for misinterpretation until
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  Speaker 2: he posts the opposite tomorrow morning, and former Russian President
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  Speaker 2: dmitriy Medvedev, who's a Putin toady now in Putin's Russian
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  Speaker 2: security Council, he posted Trump's warning of bad things happening
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  Speaker 2: to Russia and responded with a warning of his own.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I only know of one really.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Bad thing, world War three. I hope Trump understands this.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: So world War three, with the US being threatened and already,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Russia has stepped up its military actions or hostility to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: countries on or close to its border, especially Finland, Latvia,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Estonia and Poland. It's created new tent bases for its
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: military along the Finnish border. It sent a war jet
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: last week to buzz Latvian ships trying to stop a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Greek tanker suspected of being loaded illegally.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: With Russian oil.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Estonia state prosecutor yesterday claimed Russia's military intelligence was conspiring
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: with pro Russian politicians in Estonia to topple the government.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: And Poland last week said a Russian ship had to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: be chased away after loitering suspiciously over a power cable
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: under sea connecting Poland with Sweden. Already in fact Chinese
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: s hips China being a Russian ally suspected of cutting
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: data cables between Germany and Finland and between Lithuania and Sweden.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: All the Baltic countries have now increased defense spending a lot,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and Lithuania last week was reinforced by German soldiers, the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: first time since World War II that Germany has been
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: sending troops to be based long term overseas and is
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: something else you probably haven't heard.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: This surprised me to hear it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Actually, it seems that Trump has worked out sooner than
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I thought. That Putin was a real danger now and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Ukraine's defenses had to be stepped up to save it
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: and deter Russia. A week ago, Donald Trump rang European
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: leaders and told them that he now realized Putin was
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: an interested in peace, and he has already agreed to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: scrap a ban on Ukraine using Western missiles to attack
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: targets deep inside Russia.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So they reveal this on Monday.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: Skipped kind of like Reichka Wadi and Kino glief ones
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: in Vita fond in Britain Frantsi.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: The Trump's State Department wouldn't deny it this week when asked.
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: The Germans say the US has lifted all of its
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: restrictions on the use of long range weapons.
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: Can you confirm that? And one with that, I'm not
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: going to discuss that now.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to confirm.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: That joining me is vassel Miratushenka, Ukraine's ambassador to Australia, Ambassador,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Germany said that Germany, Britain,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: France in the US will now let you use missiles
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: that they supply to hit targets deep inside Russia. Before
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: they ban that they didn't want the war escalated. What
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: difference will this make.
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: It's a very important step.
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: Let's see how it all unfolds on the battlefield because
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: apart from having a permission to do so, we need
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: to have those long range weapons, right and as you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 12: for the past two years, we've been asking for that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 12: In twenty twenty three when we were out there in
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: the counteroffensive which failed, one of the reasons for that
• 22:12
  Speaker 12: was we didn't have the capability, we didn't have the permission.
• 22:15
  Speaker 12: So for us, it's of course we've been using long
• 22:18
  Speaker 12: range drones as a way to substitute the long range missiles.
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: But at the end of the day, how much of
• 22:26
  Speaker 12: a difference it can make.
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: Certainly we're capable of.
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: Hitting some of the Russian stockpiles, we can hit the
• 22:32
  Speaker 12: concentration of the Russian troops closer to the border or
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: even further where they are legitim metargets. For Ukraine, however,
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: we have to see what's happening in the Battle of
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: in Ukraine. We have three hundred and fifty thousand Russian troops,
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: we have lots of Russian military.
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: Equipment currently on the go.
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: They're now in the major offensive at the moment, so
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: they are you know, at full speed, overdrive, trying to
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: capture more territory at a huge cost. But they're moving
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: forward They feel that time is on their side. They
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: feel that Donald Trump and Europe is weak, and they
• 23:10
  Speaker 12: are moving forward, so we have to actually work harder
• 23:13
  Speaker 12: to stop them.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's been the curse of this war that the
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: weapons you want are delivered too little, too late. I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: showed a list of signs just before that. Russia is
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: already muscling up to neighboring countries, including Latvia and Estonia,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: which it occupied in the Soviets. It seems Russia wants
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: them back Finland as well. What do you think is
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: happening there?
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: What Russia is pursuing is something bigger.
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: Russia is interested in President Donald Trump walking away from Europe.
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: Russia is interested in wakening European Union.
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: And Russia is really interested in testing nature because NATO
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: was never tested properly in a way. And of course,
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: if there is an opportunity, if Russia sees that America
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: has become a too isolationists or moving away from Europe,
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: that may actually open up an opportunity for Russia. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: this is of course, we're getting into the very dangerous.
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: World where might is right.
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: Where we're in the jungle, dot is dog, and that's
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: a very dangerous pause and as you know, if you
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: look at the military in Europe and the military in Ukraine.
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: In Russia, we have two hundred and twenty brigades in Russia,
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: one hundred and twenty brigades.
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: In Ukraine, and only eighty brigades in Europe.
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: Entire Europe has only eighty brigades, and they don't really
• 24:37
  Speaker 12: combat writ it to be frank they're training heavily, especially
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: in the Baltic Nations and Poland, but generally they don't
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: have the experience, the combat experience with other troops out
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: So at the moment, Ukraine is protecting and defending Europe
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: from the Russia's invasion, just like it was in the
• 24:52
  Speaker 12: thirteenth century when chingin Sun came raised, Kiev burned it
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: down but didn't go further because Singhi son was weakened.
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: So the empoer Ching is on in the thirtieth century.
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: That was, by the way, the last time we had
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: Asians fighting in Ukraine. Now we have North Koreans fighting
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: there were also, as you know, we capture some of
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: the Chinese citizens fighting for Russia.
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: So we have Asians fighting in Europe, and it's been a.
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: While since the last time we had them.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: It seems to me that well, it seems clear to
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: me for a couple of years now that we are
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: already in a third World war. And that's even more
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: clear when you've got North Korea, you've got Iran also
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: sending weaponry for Russia, all that kind of stuff and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Ukraine for me, is just the start of a wider conflict.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: What's your view?
• 25:46
  Speaker 12: I cannot specul Later then of a day, I'm an ambassador,
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: I represent the government. I see and look at the
• 25:52
  Speaker 12: situation at the moment, what I've seen here, and this
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: is when I want to use this opportunity to thank
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: Prime Minister Enterony Albanisi personally for his steadfast support. As
• 26:02
  Speaker 12: you know, he had a great meeting with President Zelanski
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: on the sidelines of the inauguration of Populi or the
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: photeens in Rome.
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: And now but you see after, you know.
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: Every Ukrainian is very grateful for that support that's been provided.
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: So you know today, but what we.
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: Can offer now to Australia is actually now we can.
• 26:22
  Speaker 12: Help Australia a lot more because during the past three
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: years we could develop those military capabilities the way we
• 26:29
  Speaker 12: use autonomous systems, you know, in the air underwater on
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: the ground is really phenomenal because we are taking the
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: best technology we got.
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: From our partners, including Australia.
• 26:40
  Speaker 12: We send that technology to the battlefield, we tested it
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: and now we improved it. So now we're capable of
• 26:46
  Speaker 12: using underwater drone to shut down Russian fighter jets from underwater.
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: And this was only science fiction in the past. Now
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: it's a reality. So Ukraine can now help Australia develop,
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: develop it sovereign defense capabilities, and this is what Australia
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: needs to do properly to have those own sovereign capabilities,
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: defense capabilities, to create a deterrence or to have it
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: in case of crisis, have their own production and manufacturing.
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: So I think now Ukraine can even help Australia more
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: than Australia can certainly help Ukraine, for which we of
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: course continue asking.
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: I still need you back in.
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: We need more bushmasters, we need other equipment, and this
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: is what we are working on but are now now
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: after three years, I believe that Ukraine can even contribute
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: more to Australia and then the other way around.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Fashool Mirrors Nashenko. Thank you very much for your time.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: After the break. Another dumb global warming prediction bites the dust.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: This one's a doozy, but looking at.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Today, at the damage that's being done. The fascinating press
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: conference today from the bust of Woodside, the guest giant
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: telling out hard truth about this covened screen energy revolution.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: You know, it's actually criminal how we have lit climate
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: hucksters and panic merchants freak Australian too, this mad crusade
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to scrap our coal fire electricity system and try to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: run this country on wind and solar power instead.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, you just take.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: This prediction on the ABC, this warning just nine years ago,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: which was stupid then and embarrassing.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Today's actually suggesting that by twenty twenty four, one point
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: five degree increase is on the cards now well, which
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: puts us very close to the critical.
• 28:39
  Speaker 13: And that's a prediction of the models. But actually in
• 28:43
  Speaker 13: the first the early months of twenty sixteen have already
• 28:46
  Speaker 13: shown that. So we don't know how twenty sixteen is
• 28:49
  Speaker 13: going to continue. But that is a worrying problem.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Because what would happen if we reach two percent.
• 28:57
  Speaker 13: Oh there's some shocking predictions actually that you see where
• 29:01
  Speaker 13: places in the Middle East, for example, that are already
• 29:04
  Speaker 13: experiencing temperatures. Sometimes it's that's fifty degrees. I think this
• 29:08
  Speaker 13: year become essentially uninhabitable for certain periods of time didn't happen.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: There's been a little warming, but the Middle East hasn't
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: become more uninhabitable.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a clown.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: It is shameful that ABC journalists peddled such alarmist nonsense
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and that our electricity system is now being written by
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: politicians who believed it. I now even this Labor government
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: is freaking that its green energy revolution is actually collapsing.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: We're running out of power. On Monday, the Queensland government
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: actually scrapped another wind project. Locals hated it, and today
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the Avenue the government finally said yes after three years
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: of the lay in denial to extending Western Australia's massive
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Northwest Shelf gas project for another forty years. And Woodside
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: boss Meg Owoneer was very blunt and why it had
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to do that. The green energy transit isn't working as planned.
• 30:03
  Speaker 14: I think over the last couple of years the conversation
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: in Australia has moved to one where there's greater recognition
• 30:09
  Speaker 14: that one we need to manage the pace of the
• 30:12
  Speaker 14: energy transition. The renewables rollout is not going as fast
• 30:16
  Speaker 14: as had initially been anticipated, and we need to make
• 30:19
  Speaker 14: sure that we're tackling those cost of living pressures people
• 30:22
  Speaker 14: saying my energy bill is too high. Natural gas and
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: increase the supply of natural gas is part of solution.
• 30:29
  Speaker 14: Part of the solution to help bring those power crisis down.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Joining me is Ron Dean, editor in chief of the
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Spectator Australia, host of Outside Is every Sunday nine am
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and host of his own new show on Sky on
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Friday's at seven pm. Busy Man Rowan. That prediction you
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: know that oh, parts of the Middle East by twenty
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: twenty four become too hot to live in.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It's true at.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: The temperatures average temperature you know, risen slightly. But humans
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: is so much more adaptable than these catastrophus, I think,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: especially by the way Rome and they have lots of
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: hostile fuels like oil for their energy.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: What do you make of this?
• 31:07
  Speaker 15: Well, that was of course Brian Cox who was along
• 31:10
  Speaker 15: there with Tony Jones. They were the two kind of
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: heroes of the left back in the Q and A days.
• 31:17
  Speaker 15: Brian Cox was in a boy band or a pop
• 31:20
  Speaker 15: group in the nineteen eighties, and then he realized that
• 31:23
  Speaker 15: his talents lay elsewhere, and he became an astrophysicist with
• 31:27
  Speaker 15: the TV program explaining Einstein to the kids and so on.
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: And he was very fond of these great you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: the apocalypses upon us. Now, these great predictions of these
• 31:38
  Speaker 15: terrible things that were going to happen one point five
• 31:41
  Speaker 15: degrees increased, sea levels are going to rise. And the
• 31:45
  Speaker 15: trouble with all those predictions, Andrew, is none of them
• 31:48
  Speaker 15: have ever come true. Now, where is Tony Jones or
• 31:52
  Speaker 15: indeed Sarah Ferguson or others at the ABC. Why aren't
• 31:55
  Speaker 15: they going back through those old predictions and making TV
• 31:58
  Speaker 15: shows saying, you know what, we weren't told the truth,
• 32:02
  Speaker 15: those predictions were wrong. That's not what's happened at all.
• 32:06
  Speaker 15: And this fanciful nonsense.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Ol.
• 32:07
  Speaker 15: It might get to fifty degrees somewhere in the Sub
• 32:10
  Speaker 15: Sahara in the middle of the Middle East. I've got
• 32:12
  Speaker 15: news for you. It can get to fifty degrees in
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: the middle of Australia. I know, I've been there on
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: a film show. It's hot. And guess what the Middle
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: East is known for its heat. So these sorts of
• 32:22
  Speaker 15: insane predictions which were made all the time to justify
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: the whole energy scare. And by the way, wasn't it
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: great to see Malcolm Roberts sitting there with a kind
• 32:32
  Speaker 15: of amused look on his face.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Who's correct now?
• 32:35
  Speaker 15: Ten years later, ten years later, who's correct Malcolm Roberts,
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: Not Brian Cox or Tony Jones, but Andrew It's great
• 32:41
  Speaker 15: to see the energy bosses finally speaking up. Meg O'Neil
• 32:44
  Speaker 15: made a very good point that all the kids, all
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: the teenagers, all the young people who criticized fossil fuels
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: run around doing so with their iPhones, ordering their you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 15: their clothes from tim U, all of which requires fossil
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: fuels to get them to them. They all order Uber Eats,
• 33:02
  Speaker 15: by the way, most young people would rather order from
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: Uber Eats than have the fossil fuel delivered food to
• 33:09
  Speaker 15: their sources, rather than actually walk down to the shops
• 33:12
  Speaker 15: and maybe buy some food and cook and meal. We
• 33:15
  Speaker 15: also had Kevin Gallagher, CEO of Santos this week saying
• 33:18
  Speaker 15: that more and more Australian companies We've heard this before
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: from others, would rather be investing overseas than invest in Australia.
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: Now that's a really worrying development.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Andre, Oh, it's very worrying. Rowan, it was also I
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. Susan Lee.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I think her heart is in following, going along with
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: the climate change flow. But that said, I think she's
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: recognizes some brutal realities that the net zero target is
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: forcing us through really stupid things, losing whole industries like
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the nickel industry, like most of the fertilizer industry, like
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: the industrial glass industry, losing them because of cost of power.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: She did leave it open to the coalition today to
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: eventually say no to net zero, depending which way the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: wind is playing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: This is promising, promising, but it's not nearly enough. Now
• 34:12
  Speaker 15: we've had this kind of the Liberal Party has doomed
• 34:15
  Speaker 15: itself to opposition by playing foot seats with net zero,
• 34:19
  Speaker 15: trying to have it both ways. We saw this, you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 15: with Morrison, we saw it with Dutton. Obviously the rot
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: set in with Turnbull. But this idea that you can
• 34:27
  Speaker 15: kind of panned to the climate cult and go, oh yeah,
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: we're worried about, you know, doing a bit for the planet.
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: But at the same time say oh, we're going to
• 34:35
  Speaker 15: look after you know, manufacturing and so on. I'm sorry.
• 34:39
  Speaker 15: It's either or, and that's what the Coalition fails to understand.
• 34:44
  Speaker 15: It is either or, and the Australian people would I
• 34:48
  Speaker 15: will either choose a government that goes net zero or
• 34:51
  Speaker 15: goes against net zero. The next election will be about this.
• 34:54
  Speaker 15: The IPA done some great research. Fifty six percent of
• 34:57
  Speaker 15: Australians want affordable energy.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: They're not interested.
• 35:01
  Speaker 15: Only twenty one percent of Australians are interested in all
• 35:03
  Speaker 15: this virtue signaling nonsense. Now it's critical. I'm sorry, Susan
• 35:08
  Speaker 15: Lay has to come off the fence. The Coalition have
• 35:10
  Speaker 15: to come off the fence. They've got to say sorry
• 35:13
  Speaker 15: to all those renewable investors who seem to be pulling
• 35:16
  Speaker 15: their strings, all the lobbyists out there. They've got to
• 35:19
  Speaker 15: say no, we are saying no to net zero. We
• 35:21
  Speaker 15: are out of net zero. We will oppose it vigorously
• 35:24
  Speaker 15: between now and the next election because the Australian people
• 35:28
  Speaker 15: deserve that choice. Andrew, So I don't quite share your optimism.
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: A few words about oh wouldn't it be nice to
• 35:33
  Speaker 15: see some We've got to look after manufacturing. It's not enough.
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: It's just not enough. This country is going down the
• 35:39
  Speaker 15: gurglar on every single economic measure you can come up with,
• 35:44
  Speaker 15: and it's got to be stopped, and the only way
• 35:46
  Speaker 15: to stop it is to abandon net zero.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Andrew Well, I just think that she will need to
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: go through a process to show people that she's gone
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: through a process, and she will need the HU team
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: to come up with all the argument, and she'll need
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: to convince some of the global warming go along with
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the flowers in her party to embracing at zero. That's
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: a long lot of works still ahead of her before
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: she can come out there and reveal herself as climate
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: skeptic or you know, net zero skeptic. Anyway, King Charles
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: went to Canada too, opened its parliament yet so this
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: is the first time British monarch has done that for
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: nearly seventy years. And you see why it's wheeled that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: so Donald Trumpy couldn't make Canada America's fifty first state.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: It's not for sale.
• 36:34
  Speaker 16: The crown has for so long been a symbol of
• 36:37
  Speaker 16: unity for Canada. It also represents stability and continuity from
• 36:43
  Speaker 16: the past to the present, as it should it stands
• 36:49
  Speaker 16: proudly as a symbol of Canada today in all her
• 36:53
  Speaker 16: richness and dynamism. As the anthem remains us. The true
• 36:58
  Speaker 16: North is indeed strong and free.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Now the heroin the King, Donald Trump, refused to take
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: the King's shuttle no for an answer just hours after
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: that speech said, by the way, Canada has a choice.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: You pay the US government sixty one billion dollars to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: be protected by America's new Golden Dome missile defense, or
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: you become America's.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Fifty first state. Where do you think this debat is going?
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: Andrew, I've long warned that King Charles will spell the
• 37:33
  Speaker 15: end of the monarchy. He could even spell the end
• 37:36
  Speaker 15: of the Commonwealthy is such a disaster as a king.
• 37:39
  Speaker 15: I'm sorry, I'm a constitutional monarchist by heart, but this
• 37:43
  Speaker 15: bloke is doing such damage to everything, all the constitutional
• 37:47
  Speaker 15: monarchies around the world. Part of his speech, yes, okay,
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: he tried to tick off for Donald Trump, but part
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: of his speech was basically a welcome to country type thing,
• 37:56
  Speaker 15: a Canadian version thereof, in which he was saying, oh,
• 37:59
  Speaker 15: you know, Canada's unseeded land by such and such a tribe.
• 38:03
  Speaker 15: He's going to come to Australia and he'll do the
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: same thing. You watch Albaneze. You'll drag him out here
• 38:07
  Speaker 15: and he'll stand, well, he's already done it once almost.
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  Speaker 15: He'll stand there and he'll say that this is unseeded land.
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  Speaker 15: And I'm sorry. If the monarch, the constitutional head of
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: our constitutional monarchy, says that this isn't kosher. If you
• 38:22
  Speaker 15: like our land, then we are saying that our laws
• 38:25
  Speaker 15: do not apply, our laws are not valid, our property
• 38:29
  Speaker 15: rights are not valid. The damage this bloke is doing
• 38:33
  Speaker 15: is unfathomable. And what he said there, seriously, if I
• 38:37
  Speaker 15: were a Canadian, I'd be going, you bet, I want
• 38:39
  Speaker 15: to be the fifty first state because the alternative is
• 38:42
  Speaker 15: being in this kind of no man's land where we
• 38:44
  Speaker 15: don't belong to anything because the property belongs to the
• 38:47
  Speaker 15: Algonquin tribe or whatever. And let me say, maybe Australia
• 38:50
  Speaker 15: should be looking at being the fifty second state, because
• 38:53
  Speaker 15: this is where we're going with this endless, endless tearing
• 38:56
  Speaker 15: down of the very fabric, the very foundations of what
• 39:01
  Speaker 15: was our colonial and unless unless we wake up where
• 39:05
  Speaker 15: canna be in the same place.
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  Speaker 1: Got it?
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  Speaker 2: But Rowan, I don't understand why if he says, and
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: he did, he said, this is unseeded land. Why in
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the same speech as he keeps calling himself the king
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  Speaker 2: of it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 15: The guy's not very bright, that's not very right. But
• 39:22
  Speaker 15: the damage he's doing is incounter and seriously, we'll see
• 39:28
  Speaker 15: that's my opinion.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Look as uh, he may not be well.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if his son's any bit of the
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: rondine thanks for your time after the break the slap
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: or was it a punch or a push? Why is
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the French president's wife excuse for something a man would
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: never be forgiven for. It seems most people are agreed
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: there are different rules for men. I mean, that seems
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: to be the message from the reaction to Bridget mccron
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: whacking her husband, the French president, in the face.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: After they landed in Vietnam on Sunday.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: And it was a real whack after what President Macron
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: admitted was a squabble. But really all we've heard since
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: is more or less just a celeby. Of course, everyone
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I've seen makes the same obvious point. What if the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: roles were reversed, If it was a Manuel Macron hitting
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: his wife in the face, his career would be over
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and it would but her hitting him, Oh, let's just
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: move on.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that's how it should be. I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's terrible that a woman hits her husband,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: but that's about a lack of respect, I guess. And
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: basically it's a question of world a poor bugger married
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: But it's not the same as our disgust.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I think for a man hitting a woman, and they
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: are double sanders.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I know that, but fair enough.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Joining me are two communications consultants, Jim and Tonini A
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Skyny is regular and Christi McSweeney has worked for coalition
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: prime ministers and premiers jem or a man hits his wife,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: the world wants his head. That woman hits her husband
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: and the world just says, poor bloke. I mean double.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Standards or you know, just the difference between men and women.
• 41:10
  Speaker 17: Well, of course it's a double standard, Andrew, I mean
• 41:13
  Speaker 17: that goes without saying. I think it's concurrently complex but
• 41:17
  Speaker 17: also really really simple. And the complexity is around the
• 41:20
  Speaker 17: fact that we know statistically at least that the vast
• 41:24
  Speaker 17: majority of domestic violence victims are women, although there is
• 41:28
  Speaker 17: some conjecture about the fact that male victims don't report
• 41:32
  Speaker 17: as often. And there's something I think that's just in
• 41:36
  Speaker 17: human nature that acknowledges a woman is physically less strong
• 41:42
  Speaker 17: than a man.
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: She is physically more vulnerable.
• 41:44
  Speaker 17: In a contest of any kind between a man and
• 41:47
  Speaker 17: a woman, a woman is obviously more vulnerable and weaker.
• 41:51
  Speaker 17: And there is something absolutely abhorrent about a man who
• 41:55
  Speaker 17: raises his fist or any other weapon to a woman.
• 41:58
  Speaker 17: It's disgusting happens, it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: Should never happen.
• 42:01
  Speaker 17: What we saw on the plane and that footage that
• 42:04
  Speaker 17: you're talking about was equally as confronting for a myriad
• 42:07
  Speaker 17: different reasons.
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: But what really bothered me was two things. The French
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: government's response.
• 42:12
  Speaker 17: Which is like, oh, it's just a moment of love
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: between two consenting adults.
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: Wrong, your liars.
• 42:18
  Speaker 17: Second of all, the response to the column that I
• 42:20
  Speaker 17: wrote for The Australian. Many people were like, oh, you know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 17: I have never raised my hand to a partner in
• 42:29
  Speaker 17: my life, not even in a moment of Italian crankiness.
• 42:32
  Speaker 11: Andrew, I have never ever done that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 17: And the idea that some people could dismiss it as
• 42:37
  Speaker 17: just like, osh, just a woman having us like that's disgusting.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: To me, Christy, what do you make of it?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe, yeah, I think at Gemi's point is right,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: men are stronger and perhaps and more aggressive on the whole,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I guess, and maybe we need more civilizing rules about
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: raising hands against anyone. What do you think is that
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: double standed? Actually then quite natural.
• 43:04
  Speaker 18: Well, it's a double standard in the response of the
• 43:08
  Speaker 18: French government and a response of many people within the
• 43:12
  Speaker 18: wider French community in senior positions. Again, if this was
• 43:17
  Speaker 18: a man hitting a woman, they wouldn't be able to
• 43:20
  Speaker 18: get away with that response. It's sort of half, oh,
• 43:23
  Speaker 18: we're French, you know, we're passionate and this is how
• 43:26
  Speaker 18: we behave and then sort of it was a lover's
• 43:28
  Speaker 18: tip and then we were joking around. That's not acceptable
• 43:32
  Speaker 18: at that level of government. That's not an acceptable response
• 43:36
  Speaker 18: on the eve of that global occasion that they were at.
• 43:40
  Speaker 18: That's not an acceptable response for something that you did.
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: In front of the world's press.
• 43:44
  Speaker 18: It's just not acceptable. We would never be able to
• 43:47
  Speaker 18: get away with that here in Australia or in the
• 43:49
  Speaker 18: United States. So because it's France as it's very different
• 43:54
  Speaker 18: cultural bent towards it. I think, Look, I think they
• 43:58
  Speaker 18: have an extremely unaway orthodox relationship. To put it diplomatically,
• 44:03
  Speaker 18: in any case, there's a you know, you could you
• 44:08
  Speaker 18: could say there's a significant power balance because he's the president,
• 44:13
  Speaker 18: and but you know, we all know that the president's
• 44:15
  Speaker 18: wife is a very very powerful position in world leaders anyway.
• 44:21
  Speaker 18: So I don't think that's going to hold.
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: But certainly just.
• 44:25
  Speaker 18: A response I think of the French society government to
• 44:30
  Speaker 18: the rest of the world.
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: I watched that.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I hadn't heard it until Jim mentioned it
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: in the French government's response. That's just extraordinary relationships in France.
• 44:44
  Speaker 18: No, wow, very culturally into France, I think, yeah.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even know. I don't think Italy. They're
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: very emotional country by reputation. I don't know that they
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: get away with it, even in Italy.
• 44:59
  Speaker 17: Little not in a million years, Andrew, Not in a
• 45:03
  Speaker 17: million years.
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: Not in a million years.
• 45:07
  Speaker 12: No.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I've watch all.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: The Godfather movies and I'm trying to think that anyone
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: slap their husband.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't think so.
• 45:15
  Speaker 17: There was a lot of violence in those films, Andrew,
• 45:17
  Speaker 17: thank god they were fictional, haha.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, but there's a line to be crossed. I mean, really,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: for a godfather, it's a crazy Victoria Gemma. It's now
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: going to negotiate a possible treaty not just statewide, but
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: also individual tribes. And with the first of these potentially
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: many Aboriginal tribes of Victoria that Judjo Warram, even though
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: photographs of some of their leadership suggests to me at
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: least they have a lot of European ancestry as well.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: How does this stressing of racial difference and racial entitlement
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: help anyone?
• 45:53
  Speaker 11: Well, I don't know that it does.
• 45:56
  Speaker 17: And I think this is the difficulty that I have
• 45:58
  Speaker 17: with these sorts of things because on the surface, at least,
• 46:02
  Speaker 17: and I preface what I'm about to say with the
• 46:04
  Speaker 17: fact that I'm obviously not an expert in this field,
• 46:07
  Speaker 17: but I'm a citizen, I'm a vote, I'm a regular
• 46:09
  Speaker 17: visit to Victoria. They seem incredibly token istic.
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: You have to ask what is the point? What is
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: the outcome?
• 46:15
  Speaker 17: But more importantly than that, and this has always been
• 46:19
  Speaker 17: my question on any of these sorts of matters, what
• 46:22
  Speaker 17: is the net benefit outcome to the people? Like, what
• 46:25
  Speaker 17: is the benefit of having this treaty? Is it going
• 46:27
  Speaker 17: to materially improve the lives of people who need their
• 46:30
  Speaker 17: lives improved.
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: Or is it just tokenism? Is it just more.
• 46:34
  Speaker 17: More garbage from a garbage government that has thrown this
• 46:37
  Speaker 17: state into such a state that if it was a
• 46:40
  Speaker 17: listed entity, it would be sent into receivership.
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: Like it's just it just doesn't make any sense to
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: me on any measurable kind of metric.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I do think institutionalize in per perpetuity racial difference as
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: a market depending on who your ancestors were.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's an insult. What do you make of it, Christy?
• 47:01
  Speaker 18: I think there is a cultural agenda at work in Victoria,
• 47:06
  Speaker 18: and lord knows, you know, we don't have the expenditure
• 47:09
  Speaker 18: to waste on things that aren't going to save one
• 47:12
  Speaker 18: Indigenous child from reaching educational health milestones, or for one
• 47:17
  Speaker 18: Indigenous woman sleep safely at night, or to stop one
• 47:20
  Speaker 18: Indigenous child going into care. The treaty and the expenditure
• 47:24
  Speaker 18: attached to it does nothing to address those issues, which
• 47:29
  Speaker 18: of course everybody is concerned about, and they are the
• 47:33
  Speaker 18: real public policy issues we need to address with real, hard,
• 47:38
  Speaker 18: targeted work that makes a difference, sending money to where
• 47:41
  Speaker 18: it's needed, and that it's employed effectively, not bureaucrats sitting
• 47:46
  Speaker 18: around talking about a charter and arranging a treaty to
• 47:52
  Speaker 18: the cost of it's at hundreds of millions to establish
• 47:56
  Speaker 18: the statewide treaty and then a series of treaties separate
• 48:00
  Speaker 18: groups and separate communities, which is what.
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: This example is.
• 48:04
  Speaker 18: Of course, we saw in Western Australia the Indigenous Heritage
• 48:07
  Speaker 18: Laws brought in by the Cook government thrown out, and
• 48:11
  Speaker 18: they were thrown out because it gave individual indigenous groups
• 48:17
  Speaker 18: in individual communities power to veto things like development and
• 48:23
  Speaker 18: community projects various other things, and people thought that that
• 48:27
  Speaker 18: was to busy and didn't serve community.
• 48:32
  Speaker 11: And they were a bolsion. But the Victorian government is
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: not going to see sense.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, but this is going the other way.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Germonton, Nini Chrissi McSweeney, thank you to you birth that's
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: it from me, Sherry markson up next.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Good night,