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Ep 1201 | The Confounding Legacy of Science Alarmist Paul Ehrlich EXPLAINED | Guest: Buck Sexton · Predictable with Stu Burguiere

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  Buck Sexton,
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  yeah,
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  Buck,
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  I mean,
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  we've been doing this show for 60 years.
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  Has Buck ever been on the show?
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  We'll talk about the details there.
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  We're gonna start by doing Paul Ehrlich.
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  Now you might say,
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  who the heck is that?
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  And I will say to you,
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  this is a very fundamental part of this particular program.
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  Paul Ehrlich,
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  we've talked about him for years and years and years and years,
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  going back to my old show.
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  He's an environmentalist type,
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  uh,
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  scientist,
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  warning you about how evil
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  population is.
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  And I will say,
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  as a person who is a pro-life person,
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  as a person who does not
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  want us to depopulate the Earth,
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  I.
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  Feel bad when someone passes away,
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  even at 93 years old,
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  like Paul Ehrlich just did,
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  and Paul Ehrlich,
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  the,
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  uh,
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  who alarmed the world about the population bomb,
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  died dead at 93.
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  Now,
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  I guess in Paul Ehrlich's very strange world.
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  He might look at this as a positive in some way,
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  I do not.
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  I,
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  I,
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  even though he has terrible ideas and influenced the world very negatively,
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  I of course wish he was still around,
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  uh,
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  to give us even more material to talk about.
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  His book though,
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  did a lot of damage to the world and did a lot of damage to humanity in general,
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  frankly,
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  he was not a positive influence
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  on the Earth,
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  though he may have been a nice guy in private.
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  I don't know,
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  never.
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  Hung out with a guy,
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  the population bomb.
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  While you are reading these words,
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  5 people,
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  mostly children,
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  have died of starvation and 40 more babies
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  have been born.
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  That was a weird freaking subtitle,
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  but he is the,
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  uh,
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  he was,
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  he was the guy who did all this.
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  By the way,
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  very highly recognized by the left,
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  by the scientific community who always wants
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  you to pay attention to scientific consensus.
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  Look at all these awards.
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  I mean,
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  there's dozens of them here,
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  uh,
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  you know,
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  going back,
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  you go back all the way to,
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  uh,
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  you know,
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  back in the 1970s he was winning awards,
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  but all the way up until the 2010s,
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  still winning awards about all of his achievements,
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  even though he freaked out the world
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  for absolutely no reason and was completely wrong
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  over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
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  And was helping form policy
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  for the United States for a very
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  long time,
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  really up until his death.
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  But the truth is,
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  he made a lot of predictions about what.
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  Going to happen in the world,
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  and he was wrong on almost every single one of them,
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  sometimes so dramatically wrong,
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  you'd think,
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  how did this guy ever get a job?
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  How did this guy ever get on television?
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  He was wrong all
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  the time.
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  A lot of this is outlined in the National View piece by Noah Rothman.
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  Disastrous legacy of Paul Ehrlich,
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  central to Ehrlich's thesis in the population bomb was
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  his contention that the Earth had a finite carrying capacity
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  and its limits were already being tested
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  by the mid-twentieth century.
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  Humanity would soon have to ration its resources and consign those
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  consign those for whom it could no longer care to triage.
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  Ehrlich's modern Malthus
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  Malthusianism,
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  which is a word you will hear more times on this
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  particular broadcast than you have in a very long time,
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  fired the imaginations of the international environmental left,
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  but he seemed compelled to forever up the ante on his dire predictions.
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  He subsequently subsequently anticipated
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  that in 1980.
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  The average American lifespan would decline
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  to just 42.
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  Now I am older than 42,
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  I somehow made it past that deadline.
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  I was born in 1976 and I'm somehow
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  still alive today.
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  In fact,
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  the,
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  of course,
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  age expectancy has increased,
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  uh,
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  considerably.
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  Now it's been kind of not increasing at the rate lately that we've wanted.
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  Part of that is COVID,
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  part of that is overdoses.
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  There's some reason.
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  Behind that,
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  but generally speaking,
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  we've had some real success around the world in
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  that particular arena since these predictions were made.
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  By 1971,
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  Paul Ehrlich was willing to take even money that England
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  will not exist
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  in the year 2000.
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  I don't think that was a Brexit-related prediction.
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  Uh,
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  because,
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  uh,
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  you know,
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  we're still,
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  they're still kind of around.
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  This was like,
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  hey,
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  they're going to flood,
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  there's not going to be any people there,
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  uh,
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  it's going to be an environmental catastrophe.
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  Roughly 100 to 200 million people,
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  he assumed,
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  would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989
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  in what he deemed the great
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  die-off.
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  Catchy,
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  and idiotic news media ran with all this stuff for
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  years and years and years and years and years.
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  Ehrlich never questioned his conclusions
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  and refused to repent
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  for the suffering
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  they produced.
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  And that is really the crux of the matter here.
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  Look.
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  This is a guy who based his entire life on trying to convince people
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  that
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  there shouldn't be as many people as there are.
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  It was very,
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  very damaging and very,
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  very,
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  it was one of those things kind of like the
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  nuclear power scares that happened around the same period.
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  Something gets into the pop culture mind.
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  He's going on places like Johnny Carson,
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  and people assume this stuff is real.
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  There's not a lot to challenge it.
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  There's no internet to kind of challenge these claims at the time.
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  And it formed an entire generation or two
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  of policy.
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  The left has pursued this nonsense about the population bomb this entire time
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  and the left has also opposed nuclear
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  energy despite all their global warming fear mongering
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  because it kind of got in their head in the 70s and kind of just stuck around.
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  It's kind of bizarre
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  and it really ushered in.
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  An era,
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  an era of despair,
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  the sort of
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  idea that everything was going to turn out terribly,
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  that it was kind of like the initial black pilling of our nation
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  where we believed if people existed,
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  terrible things would happen.
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  That's not how I see the world.
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  Hopefully that's not how you do as well.
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  Spectator has a piece,
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  Paul Ehrlich's Bad Ideas Won't Go Away.
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  The left's approval of Ehrlich exposes another inconsistency in its thinking.
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  What Ehrlich and his think-alikes say on a global
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  scale is not tolerated when others make a similar point
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  on a national scale.
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  This is an interesting point.
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  Say the world is overcrowded and cannot possibly cope with many
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  more people because they will all trample over its resources.
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  And you
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  are an enlightened thinker.
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  Say the same about migration to Britain,
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  on the other hand,
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  and you are a fascist.
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  Ehrlich may have died,
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  but we will not,
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  we have,
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  we will not have seen the last of the Malthusian left.
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  The idea
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  that humans are like rabbits on a foxless
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  island doomed to breed to the point of self-destruction
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  is bound
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  to survive him.
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  It's true,
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  uh,
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  and it's sad.
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  I will say,
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  you know,
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  listening to him in retrospect,
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  knowing now,
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  of course,
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  everything that he said was wrong,
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  it's easy to kind of make fun of him
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  and you know,
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  throw
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  his meaning in the universe out the window,
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  right?
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  Here's a guy who has said a lot of things,
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  like kind of like the guy
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  who remember who had
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  what was it,
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  the Heaven's Gate,
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  right?
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  Like we were going to have this particular time where we were all going to go
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  up.
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  We had to like kill ourselves or we,
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  you know,
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  because we were going to be taken by some deity and whatever that thing,
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  wherever that cult was back in the day,
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  the Jonestown people.
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  Like,
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  you know,
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  you kind of get to that,
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  you know,
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  it's sad,
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  sad story maybe,
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  but you look back at it,
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  kind of this quirky,
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  almost kicker story feel,
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  right?
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  Can you believe this guy had all these wrong predictions?
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  But he really did have an impact on our country.
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  I want to take you through
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  maybe one of the craziest roller coaster rides of 2 minutes you'll ever go on.
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  This is a clip from him back in 1970.
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  Again,
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  was on the media
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  all the time,
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  preaching this stuff as if it was true,
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  as if it was accurate.
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  And we're going to start our rollercoaster ride
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  with the concept of I am against government interference in our lives.
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  That's where we start.
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  Against government interference.
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  And where we wind up
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  is the government will simply tell you how many children you can
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  have and throw you in jail if you have too many.
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  That's the rollercoaster ride you're about to go on.
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  Welcome to the Ehrlich coaster.
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  Now,
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  uh,
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  given the population explosion,
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  let alone in this country,
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  what
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  can the government,
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  what ought the government to do about this?
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  Well,
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  what it ought to do is this.
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  The first thing you want,
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  you don't want to put,
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  I,
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  I'm against government interference in our lives.
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  You want to minimize that.
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  So the very first thing the government should do
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  is try and take the pressure off to reproduce.
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  There's a lot of pressure in our society now to reproduce if you're.
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  Single,
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  people try and push you into getting married,
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  you know,
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  uh,
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  your,
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  your wife,
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  you have a,
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  a,
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  uh,
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  a bachelor over and your wife says,
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  Gee,
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  shouldn't I have a nice girl over.
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  The idea is,
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  you know,
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  nobody should escape,
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  so there's pressure to get married.
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  Young couples,
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  if they don't have children,
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  people say,
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  Gee,
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  they must be thorough.
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  They never say,
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  Gee,
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  maybe they like,
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  uh,
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  good wine and going to the theater and so on.
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  They prefer that to scraping diapers.
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  So there's pressure to have children.
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  So the first thing that should happen is that the
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  president ought to say from now here on out,
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  no
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  intelligent,
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  patriotic American family,
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  uh,
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  ought to have more than 2 children,
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  preferably 1,
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  if you're starting a family now.
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  Not,
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  not any law,
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  but just say this is what responsible people do.
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  He ought to make the FCC see to it that large families
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  are always treated in a negative light on television wherever they appear.
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  There ought to be a tremendous amount
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  of television time devoted to spot commercials,
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  the sort we've had against smoking.
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  Ah,
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  but the ones in the middle,
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  say in the middle of Beverly Hillbillies,
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  you get a scene which shows Los Angeles in the smog,
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  and it just says this city has a fatal disease.
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  It's called overpopulation,
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  and
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  so long.
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  Uh,
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  now that sort of campaign,
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  you could,
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  you could have a census,
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  a sample census which would see whether that was having a desired effect.
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  If that didn't,
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  you could move to giving women bonuses for not having babies.
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  That almost certainly would do the job.
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  If that didn't have the effect,
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  then you could move to changing the tax structure,
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  uh,
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  so that people who had the money and had the children paid for the children.
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  In other words,
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  you would increase taxes on people with children rather than decrease.
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  Since they,
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  when they have their children,
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  they require more services.
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  If that doesn't work,
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  uh,
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  then you'll have the government legislating the size of the family,
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  and people say,
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  Oh,
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  that's impossible.
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  Government can never intrude and tell you how many children to have.
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  Well,
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  I got news.
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  You know,
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  it intruded a long time ago and told you how many wives you can have,
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  uh,
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  and there's not the slightest question that if we don't get the population
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  under control with voluntary means that in the not too distant future,
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  the government will simply tell you how many children you can
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  have and throw you in jail if you have too many.
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  Do you understand why this is an important segment?
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  That is
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  the entire left,
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  everything we've struggled with over all of these years in one quote,
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  and of course it's,
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  you know,
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  couched in the idea,
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  I don't want a lot of government interference,
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  that's not what I want.
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  But then it's,
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  well,
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  we should be encouraging the government,
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  should be encouraging people
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  to not get married.
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  I mean,
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  do you remember what we heard with the Black Lives Matter situation?
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  It was the fighting against the nuclear family.
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  We fight against them
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  not getting,
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  we want them to not get married,
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  right?
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  So they,
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  because,
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  you know,
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  some people can escape marriage.
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  That's the way you put it.
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  I can't believe anyone would want to escape that.
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  Then it was,
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  they shouldn't have children.
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  You know,
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  it can't be that they were,
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  uh,
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  you know,
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  they just enjoyed good wine and didn't want to scrape diapers.
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  That was the way he put it again.
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  So against marriage,
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  against family.
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  Then you have the FCC
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  should see to it again,
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  the government getting involved.
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  This guy doesn't want any government involvement.
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  The government gets involved.
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  Large families are always treated in a negative light on television.
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  I mean,
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  think of all the crappy,
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  you know,
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  entertainment we've talked about over the years,
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  where they're
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  framing everything on the left and you know it's trans,
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  everything is positive and regular families are weird and
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  terrible and dads are always dumb and idiotic.
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  A lot of this stuff has come true.
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  Then giving bonuses for not having babies
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  is another one again against the nuclear family.
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  Increased taxes on people rather than decreasing them.
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  These are anti-family policies,
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  not pro-family policies.
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  Government legislating the size,
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  the size of the family.
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  And throwing you in jail if you have too many kids.
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  Again,
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  essentially what the two
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  child policy in China eventually did implement.
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  I mean it was based on a lot of the stuff he was talking about at that time.
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  That's how influential this guy was,
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  and he was influential not just in a policy standpoint
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  or a global standpoint or a national policy standpoint.
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  He was influential to regular people who had their
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  entire lives ruined because of what this guy wrote.
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  Let me give you,
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  this is an actual excerpt from a letter to the
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  editor back in 2023 in The Wall Street Journal.
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  I was a college student when I read Mr.
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  Ehrlich's The Population Bomb.
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  I took it to heart
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  and now have no grandchildren.
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  But 50 years later,
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  the population has increased to 8 billion without
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  dire consequences.
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  I was gullible
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  and stupid.
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  This guy from Minnesota named Kenneth.
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  The
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  guy basically ruined his life.
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  That's just one person.
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  And whatever else has been implemented,
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  we're talking about,
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  you know,
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  major,
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  you know,
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  environmental cases all around the world where millions of people wound up dying,
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  where they were targeted.
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  Certainly the China situation might be the most brutal of those attempts
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  over the years,
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  but a lot of that based on his teachings,
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  his leadership,
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  and yet after all of that history,
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  this man is generally speaking still treated
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  as a saint.
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  By the media.
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  Let me give you some of this.
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  Ehrlich may still own the record for failed predictions in human history.
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  Tarot card readers or those who
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  read the entrails of sacrificed animals have better records
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  of predictions than he,
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  yet the media still treats him
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  as a prophet.
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  To the extent
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  that he dies in 2026 at 93 years old,
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  at 90 years old,
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  in 2023,
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  he's still being allowed on television.
• 14:11
  To preach this stuff and act like he's being true.
• 14:13
  Here he is
• 14:14
  with CBS News.
• 14:17
  Too many people,
• 14:18
  too much consumption.
• 14:20
  And growth mania.
• 14:21
  At the age of 90,
• 14:23
  biologist Paul Ehrlich may have lived long enough to
• 14:26
  see some of his dire prophecies come true.
• 14:29
  You seem to be saying that humanity is not sustainable.
• 14:32
  No,
• 14:33
  humanity is not sustainable.
• 14:34
  To maintain
• 14:36
  our lifestyle,
• 14:37
  yours and mine,
• 14:38
  basically for the entire planet,
• 14:40
  you'd need 5 more Earths.
• 14:42
  What are you not clear where they're going to come from in terms.
• 14:44
  The resources that would be required,
• 14:47
  resources that would be required,
• 14:49
  the systems that support our lives,
• 14:52
  which of course are the biodiversity
• 14:55
  that we're wiping out.
• 14:56
  Humanity is
• 14:58
  very busily
• 14:59
  sitting on a limb that we're sawing off.
• 15:01
  This is the same crap he was saying in 1970.
• 15:04
  None of it came true,
• 15:05
  and he comes on air 53 years later.
• 15:09
  And it's treated like that.
• 15:11
  Hey,
• 15:11
  his prophecies may have come true.
• 15:13
  When,
• 15:13
  where,
• 15:14
  how,
• 15:14
  why?
• 15:16
  Do you have any evidence of this?
• 15:18
  By the way,
• 15:19
  it wasn't just that he was warning people,
• 15:21
  policies were created around the world that wound up targeting
• 15:24
  all sorts of vulnerable people,
• 15:26
  the type of people the left says they care about.
• 15:30
  As even Ehrlich's supporters will admit,
• 15:32
  his theories lent support to racist attitudes to population control.
• 15:37
  Population bombers encouraged the promotion of abortion
• 15:41
  in places like sub-Saharan Africa
• 15:43
  and the Indian subcontinent.
• 15:45
  And this way that he is treated,
• 15:46
  even though all of that stuff is true,
• 15:49
  he's still treated in the media.
• 15:50
  Remember we started this with
• 15:52
  the
• 15:53
  the
• 15:54
  you know,
• 15:54
  announcement of his death
• 15:56
  in the obituary,
• 15:57
  I guess,
• 15:58
  of him in the New York
• 15:59
  Times.
• 16:00
  Look at the wording they used in the subtitle here.
• 16:03
  It's key to the way they treated it.
• 16:04
  It's not that he was wrong.
• 16:06
  It's that he's just going to be right again in the future at some point.
• 16:09
  We just don't recognize it yet.
• 16:10
  Paul Ehrlich,
• 16:11
  who alarmed the world with a population bomb,
• 16:13
  dies at 93.
• 16:14
  His bestselling 1968 book,
• 16:16
  which forecasts global famines,
• 16:17
  made him a leader in the environmental movement,
• 16:19
  but he faced criticisms when his predictions proved premature.
• 16:25
  It's not that they were wrong.
• 16:28
  Is that they were premature.
• 16:30
  Now that might be true if he predicted it happening in 2000 and it happened in 2010.
• 16:35
  That's a premature prediction,
• 16:36
  right?
• 16:36
  You're a little early.
• 16:38
  Well,
• 16:38
  none of the stuff he said has happened.
• 16:41
  We're still at an area where things are flourishing for people.
• 16:44
  I'm about to show you the details on that.
• 16:46
  You might not know them.
• 16:47
  Most people don't.
• 16:49
  Most people don't.
• 16:50
  Nate Silver points out the idiocy of this treatment,
• 16:52
  by the way,
• 16:53
  predicting that civilization would end by 1985 counts as a pretty basic error,
• 16:58
  I'd think.
• 16:59
  To the extent he's received scientific accolades,
• 17:01
  it shows how unseriously
• 17:04
  the scientific community
• 17:05
  takes
• 17:06
  prediction.
• 17:07
  It's very,
• 17:07
  very true.
• 17:09
  I,
• 17:09
  for one,
• 17:10
  want,
• 17:10
  I mean,
• 17:10
  as a person who's about to start a
• 17:12
  prediction market show called Predictable with Stu,
• 17:14
  uh,
• 17:14
  which by the way,
• 17:15
  is going to be coming in mid-April,
• 17:17
  uh,
• 17:18
  it is a situation where I want more Paul Ehrlichs to say
• 17:21
  this crap so that I can bet against them and win.
• 17:23
  By the way,
• 17:24
  one of the most famous stories about Paul Ehrlich's life was a story where
• 17:27
  Julian Simon,
• 17:29
  another one of his contemporaries at the time,
• 17:31
  said,
• 17:31
  by the way,
• 17:32
  I don't think you're right about all this scarcity.
• 17:34
  I think we're going to actually have
• 17:37
  so much abundance that price.
• 17:38
  are going to go down.
• 17:40
  They bet on this,
• 17:41
  and Paul Ehrlich was unfortunately for him
• 17:46
  forced to write a check for,
• 17:47
  I think $576
• 17:50
  and admit a complete
• 17:52
  disastrous failure
• 17:55
  and admit that he was wrong.
• 17:57
  There was a bet on whether the scarcity of metal
• 18:00
  metals would go in a certain direction or not.
• 18:01
  The prices went down as Simon predicted.
• 18:04
  It's a very famous story,
• 18:05
  by the way,
• 18:05
  not necessarily known all that much.
• 18:07
  He made his wife write the check.
• 18:09
  Anne
• 18:10
  signed the check,
• 18:11
  not Paul Ehrlich.
• 18:13
  Because he was a coward as well as being completely wrong.
• 18:16
  Again,
• 18:16
  I'm sure a wonderful gentleman at home.
• 18:18
  By the way,
• 18:19
  should we point out how wrong he was one last time before I let you go?
• 18:22
  He wrote this in 1970.
• 18:24
  Food optimism is nonsense.
• 18:26
  The idea that we'd have more food in the future,
• 18:28
  be able to feed people is nonsense.
• 18:31
  Let's go over parts of that claim,
• 18:33
  shall we?
• 18:34
  In the 1960s,
• 18:35
  India was producing
• 18:36
  10 million tons of wheat per year.
• 18:40
  1960,
• 18:41
  10 million tons.
• 18:42
  In 2023,
• 18:43
  it produced 112
• 18:46
  million
• 18:47
  tons.
• 18:48
  Every 1% increase in population corresponded with
• 18:50
  a 5.66% increase in wheat production,
• 18:53
  the opposite
• 18:54
  of what Paul Ehrlich
• 18:56
  predicted.
• 18:57
  Dominic Pinot,
• 18:58
  a friend of ours,
• 18:58
  been on the program before,
• 18:59
  Paul Ehrlich wrote that hundreds of millions of people
• 19:01
  are going to starve to death in the 1970s.
• 19:03
  We mentioned that claim earlier.
• 19:04
  What happened with that?
• 19:05
  The actual
• 19:06
  amount of people who died in famines in that decade,
• 19:08
  4 million,
• 19:09
  not hundreds of millions,
• 19:10
  but 4 million.
• 19:12
  It went down to 2 million in the 1980s
• 19:14
  and 1 million in the 2000s.
• 19:17
  The average person today has more food
• 19:20
  than ever before.
• 19:22
  Here's the graph that proves it.
• 19:24
  This is from our World in Data,
• 19:26
  great organization.
• 19:27
  Since the publication
• 19:28
  of The Population Bomb,
• 19:29
  the world's food supply has steadily increased,
• 19:33
  increased
• 19:34
  by 25% over that period.
• 19:37
  One of my favorite authors,
• 19:38
  uh,
• 19:39
  also chimed in on this.
• 19:40
  He's been on the program as well.
• 19:41
  It's kind of like a reunion of all of our favorite guests in this particular segment.
• 19:44
  Matt Ridley,
• 19:45
  who I love.
• 19:46
  He says,
• 19:46
  where on this chart is the evidence that Ehrlich's predictions of inevitable,
• 19:50
  imminent,
• 19:51
  worsening global famines that started in the 1960s were premature.
• 19:55
  Rather than wrong,
• 19:55
  referring to that New York Times handling of his death.
• 19:59
  Here's the chart he's referring to.
• 20:00
  As you see,
• 20:02
  death rates from famine
• 20:03
  were up at,
• 20:04
  you know,
• 20:05
  for every 100,000 people,
• 20:07
  at 1200 back in the 1870s for every 100,000.
• 20:10
  Even in 1940 it was over 1000.
• 20:13
  Right now
• 20:13
  you can't even see it on the chart.
• 20:15
  There's almost none.
• 20:17
  Almost no one
• 20:19
  dies
• 20:20
  of famine.
• 20:21
  When you talk about a rate per 100,000,
• 20:23
  it is almost.
• 20:24
  Impossible to see
• 20:27
  These are incredible achievements
• 20:29
  of humanity.
• 20:30
  I believe,
• 20:31
  directly blessed from God to be able to do the things that we do.
• 20:35
  People
• 20:35
  who have struggled for all time to be able to feed themselves are
• 20:39
  now being able to do that at rates never before seen before.
• 20:42
  This is the greatest achievement of humanity since you've been born,
• 20:46
  that I can promise you.
• 20:47
  Since you've been born,
• 20:48
  nobody's achieved something greater
• 20:51
  than what has been achieved when it comes
• 20:53
  to just feeding people and keeping them alive
• 20:55
  and.
• 20:56
  All of this lines up.
• 20:58
  It's the greatest human achievement that you've
• 21:00
  experienced in your entire life
• 21:02
  is,
• 21:02
  is to refute
• 21:05
  everything that Paul Ehrlich stood for.
• 21:07
  This man
• 21:08
  told us over and over and over again
• 21:11
  that death and despair were around the corner,
• 21:13
  to the fact that it's affecting people's lives,
• 21:15
  it affected policy,
• 21:16
  it affected millions and millions of people,
• 21:18
  whether they're alive or dead.
• 21:20
  And yet he's still supported and praised by the media.
• 21:23
  I don't cheer on anyone going away.
• 21:25
  That's not the way I am.
• 21:26
  It's the way that Paul Ehrlich kind of was.
• 21:29
  Not the way that I am,
• 21:30
  I don't cheer him going away,
• 21:32
  but I do
• 21:33
  hope and pray we live
• 21:35
  to see a day where these ideas die,
• 21:38
  the painful,
• 21:39
  awful death
• 21:41
  they deserve.
• 21:54
  I'm excited to welcome Buck Sexton to the program.
• 21:57
  He is,
• 21:57
  of course,
• 21:57
  the co-host of the Clay Travis and Buck Buck Sexton Show
• 22:01
  and author of the new book Manufacturing Delusion,
• 22:04
  How the Left Uses Brainwashing,
• 22:05
  Indoctrination,
• 22:06
  and propaganda Against you.
• 22:09
  It's available wherever you get your books,
• 22:11
  so be sure to grab a copy today.
• 22:13
  Buck,
• 22:13
  thanks so much for coming on the program.
• 22:16
  Great to see you,
• 22:16
  sir.
• 22:17
  Thank you and the,
• 22:18
  uh I appreciate the plug for the book,
• 22:20
  which,
• 22:20
  uh,
• 22:21
  the number one thing that I hear about it is people get it and then they go,
• 22:25
  it's actually good,
• 22:27
  which is so nice
• 22:29
  and like a little backhanded at the same time.
• 22:31
  It's like a real book with research and you learn stuff,
• 22:34
  and it took me 18 months to write.
• 22:36
  And so,
• 22:37
  it's not like,
• 22:38
  uh,
• 22:39
  You know,
• 22:40
  some AI slop that somebody threw together.
• 22:42
  So I'm happy that people are surprised at how good it is.
• 22:45
  I'll take it.
• 22:46
  I mean,
• 22:46
  yeah,
• 22:46
  it's a little bit,
• 22:47
  it's like when some like,
• 22:48
  uh,
• 22:48
  someone makes dinner for you and you're like,
• 22:50
  wow,
• 22:50
  this is,
• 22:51
  this is actually good,
• 22:52
  you know,
• 22:53
  I mean,
• 22:53
  uh,
• 22:53
  thanks a lot.
• 22:54
  Um,
• 22:55
  yeah,
• 22:55
  it's a great book actually,
• 22:56
  and you hit on a lot of different uh points
• 22:59
  that I don't think,
• 22:59
  uh,
• 23:00
  I think that cut to the core of everything that we're dealing with right now,
• 23:04
  um,
• 23:05
  in,
• 23:05
  in a way that I don't,
• 23:06
  I don't know that I've read in another book.
• 23:07
  Um,
• 23:08
  let's start at the beginning though,
• 23:09
  you know,
• 23:09
  why did you write it?
• 23:11
  Well,
• 23:12
  I wanted to answer a question,
• 23:13
  and this applies to so much of what's going on right now,
• 23:16
  which is,
• 23:16
  uh,
• 23:17
  I think very,
• 23:17
  very useful for,
• 23:18
  for anybody who will pick up a copy of Manufacturing Delusion.
• 23:22
  And the question is,
• 23:22
  what's happening to people?
• 23:23
  Why are so many people so nuts?
• 23:25
  Like really crazy,
• 23:27
  you know,
• 23:27
  how,
• 23:28
  how is it that we have
• 23:30
  If,
• 23:30
  if you were to go on X or Twitter right now,
• 23:33
  and you would say,
• 23:34
  I,
• 23:34
  I
• 23:35
  dare a scientist to come forward,
• 23:38
  you know,
• 23:38
  and,
• 23:38
  and tell me that men
• 23:40
  can have vaginas and women can have penises,
• 23:44
  you'd have a whole bunch of blue check,
• 23:46
  uh,
• 23:46
  you know,
• 23:47
  MDs and PhDs and stuff.
• 23:48
  They'd be like,
• 23:49
  well,
• 23:49
  let me tell you,
• 23:50
  I.
• 23:50
  Something's wrong here,
• 23:51
  folks,
• 23:52
  OK?
• 23:52
  There's a,
• 23:53
  there's a problem.
• 23:54
  Just like if you were to say,
• 23:55
  I,
• 23:55
  I,
• 23:56
  I wonder if we could find anybody who
• 23:58
  is a scientist who would make,
• 23:59
  I'm,
• 23:59
  now I'm picking on scientists,
• 24:00
  but there's a lot of different people you could throw in here.
• 24:02
  Make the case that climate change is an existential threat.
• 24:05
  Maybe you shouldn't even have kids because of the.
• 24:07
  CO2 footprint of this.
• 24:09
  People would come forward.
• 24:10
  They will make this argument.
• 24:12
  In fact,
• 24:12
  they will make it
• 24:14
  with all of the fervor of a religious belief
• 24:17
  of a person who is a fundamentalist,
• 24:20
  a person who thinks that all of the answers are contained in their left-wing canon.
• 24:24
  And so that then brought me to,
• 24:25
  how do we get to
• 24:27
  this in a free society?
• 24:29
  Well,
• 24:29
  we know that they do this in totalitarian societies.
• 24:33
  We know that if you,
• 24:34
  you know,
• 24:34
  if you live in North Korea or if you were in Stalinist Russia,
• 24:37
  there would be iconography of the Dear Leader everywhere.
• 24:41
  There would be posters demanding you say and believe certain things.
• 24:44
  And so I looked at this and I said,
• 24:46
  what are tactics,
• 24:47
  what are the things that are done in those places that we see replicated in our own?
• 24:52
  And that's where I get into things like
• 24:54
  isolation and forced confession and identity construction,
• 24:58
  and all of these,
• 24:59
  the chapters essentially line up
• 25:01
  with the different
• 25:02
  modalities,
• 25:03
  tactics,
• 25:04
  approaches
• 25:05
  to making people believe crazy stuff
• 25:08
  and And this is actually quite,
• 25:10
  it starts with Pavlov,
• 25:11
  by the way,
• 25:11
  and Pavlov's dogs,
• 25:12
  but this is actually quite possible to do
• 25:15
  to human beings.
• 25:15
  In fact,
• 25:16
  that last 100 years,
• 25:17
  we've seen the biggest mind control experiments
• 25:19
  in human history
• 25:21
  by totalitarian regimes,
• 25:22
  and now
• 25:23
  in our own country,
• 25:24
  whether it's BLM or climate change or trans stuff,
• 25:27
  or,
• 25:27
  you know,
• 25:28
  Trump hacked the election with Russian help,
• 25:30
  all these different.
• 25:31
  Beliefs that are verifiably false,
• 25:34
  there are pathways,
• 25:35
  there are things that are done to people
• 25:37
  that bring them to believe them,
• 25:39
  that manufacture these delusions,
• 25:41
  hence the book title.
• 25:43
  Yeah,
• 25:43
  yeah,
• 25:43
  take us through some of this because I think like,
• 25:45
  You hit on the fact that we're a free society and
• 25:49
  that should be a defense against this.
• 25:51
  You go through many ways,
• 25:52
  and I want to get into these of how
• 25:55
  a society does this in a free sort of
• 25:58
  context,
• 25:59
  but you talk about your early experiences in Nigeria
• 26:02
  and in the Middle East seeing extremism develop there,
• 26:06
  and you can kind of
• 26:07
  draw a direct line to,
• 26:08
  let's say COVID,
• 26:09
  right?
• 26:10
  Like
• 26:11
  how does that work?
• 26:12
  Oh,
• 26:13
  sure.
• 26:13
  Well,
• 26:13
  for one thing,
• 26:15
  uh,
• 26:15
  no matter what country you're talking about or what society,
• 26:19
  uh,
• 26:19
  extremist belief.
• 26:22
  Can
• 26:22
  be the mandated belief system of the state,
• 26:26
  or it can just be pockets of it within,
• 26:28
  but can still exist,
• 26:29
  right?
• 26:29
  This is,
• 26:30
  uh,
• 26:30
  and,
• 26:30
  and,
• 26:30
  and in fact,
• 26:31
  if you look at the history
• 26:33
  of,
• 26:33
  of the Soviet,
• 26:34
  uh,
• 26:35
  the Soviet Revolution,
• 26:36
  uh,
• 26:36
  the,
• 26:36
  the,
• 26:36
  the rise of the Soviet Union,
• 26:39
  you know,
• 26:39
  the Bolsheviks were never popular,
• 26:40
  they're always a faction among many factions,
• 26:43
  and they just managed to seize
• 26:45
  power with this hardline,
• 26:48
  uh,
• 26:48
  belief in,
• 26:49
  in communism and Marxism.
• 26:50
  And you have this in other places as well.
• 26:52
  So when I was in Nigeria,
• 26:54
  yeah,
• 26:54
  the whole country wasn't in the grip of Islamic fundamentalism,
• 26:58
  but I saw what it looks like
• 27:00
  to be in a place where the beginnings of fundamentalist
• 27:05
  infrastructure that are churning out
• 27:08
  hardline believers,
• 27:09
  you know,
• 27:10
  what does that look like?
• 27:11
  And then of course in Iraq and Afghanistan,
• 27:12
  I was in places.
• 27:13
  Where they had
• 27:14
  much further down the line,
• 27:16
  people who had been through a radicalization process,
• 27:18
  you know,
• 27:18
  suicide bombers blowing themselves up.
• 27:20
  Keep in mind,
• 27:20
  when I was in Nigeria,
• 27:21
  it was before the rise of Boko Haram.
• 27:23
  It was essential,
• 27:23
  and I write about this in the book,
• 27:25
  Manufacturing Delusion,
• 27:26
  which your audience should go get
• 27:27
  because it actually has some,
• 27:28
  the CIA had to clear the book,
• 27:30
  which took about 6 months,
• 27:31
  by the way.
• 27:31
  Uh,
• 27:32
  so that was fun.
• 27:33
  Um,
• 27:34
  but,
• 27:34
  you know,
• 27:34
  I have to,
• 27:35
  it's my obligation.
• 27:35
  So I did.
• 27:36
  I cleared it with the CIA and they had no problem with,
• 27:38
  uh,
• 27:39
  with really anything actually,
• 27:40
  cause I was pretty careful.
• 27:41
  But
• 27:42
  the,
• 27:43
  uh,
• 27:43
  the story of Nigeria was I'm here and I'm seeing the very kind of beginning,
• 27:48
  like the,
• 27:48
  like the,
• 27:48
  the first elements of,
• 27:51
  of a radicalized society,
• 27:53
  but in places,
• 27:54
  not everywhere.
• 27:55
  It's half Christian,
• 27:56
  half Nigerian,
• 27:56
  I mean,
• 27:57
  uh,
• 27:57
  half,
• 27:57
  uh,
• 27:57
  Muslim,
• 27:58
  for example.
• 27:59
  in that country.
• 28:00
  So it's half
• 28:00
  half Christian,
• 28:01
  half Muslim,
• 28:02
  you're already dealing with a society that is fractured.
• 28:04
  You're not gonna have everybody.
• 28:05
  And so then I say,
• 28:06
  OK,
• 28:06
  well,
• 28:06
  what are the things that you do when you look at things like,
• 28:08
  this is where you get into the tactical,
• 28:10
  the,
• 28:10
  um,
• 28:11
  isolation,
• 28:12
  confession,
• 28:13
  identity construction.
• 28:14
  These are all different tools to make people
• 28:17
  break from what they had previously known.
• 28:19
  Uh,
• 28:19
  I mean,
• 28:20
  there's different,
• 28:21
  there's different,
• 28:22
  uh,
• 28:22
  experts that I draw upon for this.
• 28:24
  For example,
• 28:24
  Yost Mirle,
• 28:25
  who was
• 28:26
  A Dutchman
• 28:28
  who fled the Nazis in the Netherlands under Nazi occupation in World War II,
• 28:32
  was actually in prison for a short while,
• 28:34
  and then became part of the Dutch army in exile.
• 28:36
  He's a psychiatrist.
• 28:37
  And so he was involved in
• 28:40
  information operations,
• 28:41
  essentially counterpropaganda and propaganda operations in the
• 28:44
  Second World War against the Nazis,
• 28:45
  but he also debriefed a bunch of members of the SS and so he took this approach of,
• 28:50
  OK,
• 28:51
  how did you guys get people to be this crazy,
• 28:54
  right?
• 28:54
  Like what did you do to people?
• 28:56
  And,
• 28:57
  uh,
• 28:57
  the two pillars,
• 28:59
  um,
• 28:59
  of his,
• 29:00
  what he calls mentaide,
• 29:02
  which,
• 29:02
  it's essentially a form of brainwashing,
• 29:04
  are,
• 29:05
  uh,
• 29:06
  confusion and degradation.
• 29:08
  So you can be confused and degraded if you are put
• 29:10
  into a cell in a war and you're made to,
• 29:12
  you know,
• 29:12
  they shout things at you and they're beating you with sticks and everything else.
• 29:15
  But in a different way,
• 29:16
  you can also be confused and degraded in a Western society.
• 29:20
  It's just not necessarily the state that is doing it
• 29:23
  to you or not doing it to you with violence,
• 29:25
  um,
• 29:25
  but doing it to you with messaging,
• 29:27
  doing it to you with propaganda.
• 29:28
  And Yost,
• 29:28
  by the way,
• 29:29
  he wrote this book 70 years ago,
• 29:30
  um,
• 29:31
  called The Rape of the Mind,
• 29:33
  which is where Micide,
• 29:33
  he lays out this
• 29:34
  Micidal theory.
• 29:36
  He's,
• 29:36
  he explicitly says in the beginning of the book,
• 29:38
  I studied Nazis,
• 29:39
  I know how they basically
• 29:41
  Took over all these people's minds,
• 29:43
  but understand that
• 29:45
  this can and will happen in Western countries too,
• 29:47
  and it will just happen
• 29:48
  in smaller groups
• 29:50
  and not to the same extreme,
• 29:51
  hopefully,
• 29:52
  but this is,
• 29:53
  these things can still happen to you
• 29:56
  in these countries where you have radical belief,
• 29:59
  and I mean,
• 29:59
  by the way,
• 30:00
  I would,
• 30:00
  I would argue
• 30:01
  that for example,
• 30:02
  the whole trans agenda in America today
• 30:05
  is a form of radicalism.
• 30:07
  Right,
• 30:07
  so not everyone buys into it.
• 30:08
  It's maybe a 10 or 15%
• 30:11
  issue in this country,
• 30:12
  but
• 30:12
  as you know,
• 30:13
  Stu,
• 30:13
  that's still millions of people.
• 30:15
  Millions of people that believe something that is fundamentally crazy.
• 30:17
  Yeah,
• 30:17
  and,
• 30:18
  and so,
• 30:19
  uh,
• 30:19
  something that they didn't believe not that long ago.
• 30:21
  I mean,
• 30:22
  even the left didn't believe this stuff not that long ago,
• 30:24
  and
• 30:25
  I maintain they really don't believe it,
• 30:27
  even,
• 30:27
  even now,
• 30:28
  but I think it ties into something that you mentioned on identity construction,
• 30:32
  um.
• 30:33
  You talk about how
• 30:35
  and it's interesting because I read the book Atomic Habits.
• 30:38
  I don't know if you know this book,
• 30:38
  it's a big bestseller about how to try to change your life,
• 30:41
  right,
• 30:41
  and how to make good habits instead of bad ones.
• 30:44
  One of the things they argue for in the book
• 30:46
  is to tie your habits,
• 30:48
  the things that you want to be,
• 30:50
  to your identity,
• 30:51
  so it becomes part of you and you and you're almost like forced to defend it.
• 30:55
  So it's not,
• 30:56
  I want to be a runner someday,
• 30:57
  it's like I am a runner.
• 30:59
  Like thinking of that in that context,
• 31:00
  and it reminded me when I was reading this
• 31:02
  about how you say
• 31:04
  that same tactic can be manipulated for evil as well,
• 31:08
  where
• 31:08
  if you get people across that line where they
• 31:11
  believe their identity is I believe in trans kids,
• 31:14
  and that's where they are in their mind,
• 31:15
  they defend it with their soul as if you're attacking them,
• 31:18
  not this obvious idea.
• 31:20
  This is a really effective tactic for the left.
• 31:23
  Well,
• 31:23
  it's fun to have an interviewer who
• 31:25
  actually understands the identity construction chapter,
• 31:27
  so thank you.
• 31:28
  Appreciate that.
• 31:29
  Sometimes people just read it,
• 31:30
  they're like,
• 31:30
  identity construction.
• 31:31
  What,
• 31:31
  what is this thing?
• 31:32
  What is this thing?
• 31:33
  Um,
• 31:33
  but yes,
• 31:33
  no,
• 31:33
  you're hitting on exactly what it is,
• 31:35
  which is you're trying to,
• 31:36
  you're trying to force the beliefs and the person to be
• 31:39
  inextricable in a way where they will defend it,
• 31:43
  uh,
• 31:43
  even more angrily,
• 31:44
  for example,
• 31:44
  if you try to approach it with.
• 31:47
  facts or with data that would disprove it or anything else.
• 31:50
  And in the book,
• 31:51
  I get into cults,
• 31:53
  you know,
• 31:53
  think of it in this way,
• 31:54
  a lot of this mind control stuff is almost like a,
• 31:56
  is really a question of scale
• 31:58
  and force.
• 31:59
  And so North Korea,
• 32:01
  as,
• 32:01
  and I talk about this in the book,
• 32:03
  North Korea is essentially a giant
• 32:05
  cult
• 32:06
  country,
• 32:07
  right?
• 32:07
  It's,
• 32:07
  it's really the,
• 32:08
  the leadership,
• 32:09
  the whole thing.
• 32:09
  It's actually technically a net crop.
• 32:10
  Democracy
• 32:12
  because
• 32:12
  the,
• 32:13
  like the chairman of the Communist Party forever is Kim Il Sung,
• 32:16
  who died,
• 32:16
  you know,
• 32:17
  decades and decades ago,
• 32:18
  but he's still technically the chairman.
• 32:20
  So the whole thing is,
• 32:21
  is effectively a cult.
• 32:23
  Now,
• 32:23
  you don't have that in America,
• 32:24
  but you will have
• 32:26
  in,
• 32:26
  uh,
• 32:26
  in this country,
• 32:27
  you know,
• 32:28
  the Nexium cult,
• 32:29
  or you'll have,
• 32:30
  uh,
• 32:30
  uh,
• 32:31
  the,
• 32:31
  uh,
• 32:31
  Jim Jones cult,
• 32:32
  and I,
• 32:33
  I talk about that in the book.
• 32:34
  They didn't actually drink Kool-Aid,
• 32:35
  by the way.
• 32:36
  It was something,
• 32:36
  it was something else.
• 32:39
  Flavor Aid.
• 32:39
  Thank you.
• 32:39
  It was Flavor Aid.
• 32:40
  Uh,
• 32:41
  I'm actually blanking on the second for the thing.
• 32:43
  Something else,
• 32:43
  by the way,
• 32:44
  they didn't make in the book,
• 32:44
  and I,
• 32:45
  I,
• 32:45
  a lot of what I want people,
• 32:46
  why I want people to go get it is because they'll just learn some cool stuff
• 32:50
  and they'll learn about
• 32:52
  how
• 32:52
  the idea of a secret police force that will just
• 32:55
  terrorize everybody and force everybody to do whatever you want,
• 32:58
  uh,
• 32:58
  was really a 16th century invention.
• 33:01
  Uh,
• 33:01
  that then Hitler and Stalin explicitly,
• 33:03
  I mean,
• 33:04
  they were very aware of this,
• 33:05
  explicitly used as a model
• 33:07
  for their own,
• 33:08
  which is you have to create,
• 33:09
  whether it's brown shirts,
• 33:10
  the SS,
• 33:11
  uh,
• 33:11
  or the NKVD or the,
• 33:13
  the Cheka in the,
• 33:14
  in the case of Russia.
• 33:15
  First it was the,
• 33:16
  it was the Okrana,
• 33:16
  then it was the Cheka,
• 33:17
  then it was the NKVD,
• 33:18
  then it was the KGB.
• 33:19
  They changed the names a million times.
• 33:20
  Point is,
• 33:21
  Um,
• 33:22
  when you,
• 33:23
  when you do this,
• 33:23
  you create a,
• 33:24
  a group within your society that is only loyal to you,
• 33:28
  and that is your action arm to terrify everybody.
• 33:31
  Um,
• 33:31
  that's actually an Ivan the Terrible 16th century,
• 33:34
  uh,
• 33:35
  pioneered thing,
• 33:36
  if you will.
• 33:37
  So you learned that in the book.
• 33:38
  Um,
• 33:38
  something that got cut,
• 33:39
  by the way,
• 33:39
  was that,
• 33:40
  you know that
• 33:40
  Lemmings don't commit suicide.
• 33:42
  That's just a total myth.
• 33:43
  It's a myth.
• 33:44
  And in fact,
• 33:44
  in fact,
• 33:45
  yes.
• 33:45
  In fact,
• 33:46
  it's from a documentary that was,
• 33:48
  uh,
• 33:48
  a Disney documentary
• 33:50
  where they,
• 33:50
  they basically
• 33:51
  saw a whole bunch of these,
• 33:52
  a whole bunch of these lemmings,
• 33:54
  and like,
• 33:55
  they kind of like shoved them off the cliff
• 33:57
  and they took like video of them falling down and they're like,
• 34:00
  look at them all.
• 34:00
  I mean,
• 34:01
  it's crazy when you get lemmings,
• 34:03
  think about,
• 34:03
  yeah,
• 34:03
  think about this makes,
• 34:04
  they move in herds,
• 34:05
  but they don't commit mass suicide.
• 34:07
  That's gross.
• 34:07
  What do you mean commit mass suicide?
• 34:09
  What,
• 34:09
  what species of animal
• 34:11
  commits mass suicide?
• 34:12
  But the point here that I was gonna make in
• 34:14
  the book is that only human beings actually do this.
• 34:16
  Only human beings will be like,
• 34:17
  you know what,
• 34:17
  we're all gonna kill ourselves simultaneously because like,
• 34:20
  why not?
• 34:21
  Um,
• 34:22
  so yeah,
• 34:22
  that's,
• 34:23
  uh,
• 34:23
  that shows the extent to which mind control,
• 34:25
  uh,
• 34:25
  really works.
• 34:26
  Yeah,
• 34:26
  the Lemmings,
• 34:27
  Lemmings do not commit mass suicide.
• 34:28
  So there's a lot of cool stuff like that in the book,
• 34:30
  but,
• 34:30
  uh,
• 34:30
  your identity construction question,
• 34:31
  yes,
• 34:32
  what you do is you want people to have the beliefs essentially as their identity,
• 34:36
  and that is.
• 34:37
  Key in cults,
• 34:38
  it is key in,
• 34:39
  uh,
• 34:39
  totalitarian societies,
• 34:41
  and it is key,
• 34:41
  unfortunately,
• 34:42
  increasingly with
• 34:43
  some of the beliefs that the Democratic Party has adopted,
• 34:46
  uh,
• 34:47
  specific beliefs,
• 34:47
  and I get into what those are.
• 34:48
  Buck,
• 34:49
  I have like one minute left.
• 34:49
  I want to follow 11 more question.
• 34:51
  We were talking about Paul Ehrlich,
• 34:52
  who died this week.
• 34:53
  And back then the day he's saying,
• 34:55
  OK,
• 34:56
  overpopulation,
• 34:56
  it's the worst thing in the world,
• 34:58
  and America bought into it in large part.
• 35:00
  I would argue because they had a lack of information at the time,
• 35:03
  there was nobody to push back really.
• 35:04
  It's just whatever was on TV is what you believed.
• 35:07
  You argue in the book that the problem now is.
• 35:08
  Not lack of information,
• 35:10
  it's oversaturation.
• 35:11
  We're hitting this.
• 35:12
  We're hitting the AI era coming forward.
• 35:14
  This is only going to get worse
• 35:16
  if you have about 45 seconds.
• 35:17
  Give me like how do we,
• 35:18
  how do we solve this?
• 35:19
  I can get the full details,
• 35:20
  of course,
• 35:20
  in the book,
• 35:21
  but give me a summary of something that we can do.
• 35:24
  There's a chapter on this toward the end on artificial intelligence and how
• 35:28
  that this is only gonna get worse because I think that they can,
• 35:31
  they can really sub-target,
• 35:32
  uh,
• 35:33
  for people who are more susceptible to certain
• 35:35
  approaches with this and certain belief systems and,
• 35:37
  and different
• 35:38
  political causes,
• 35:39
  which is really what this is
• 35:40
  ultimately.
• 35:41
  It's about power ultimately.
• 35:42
  Um,
• 35:42
  the,
• 35:43
  the real
• 35:44
  way around this,
• 35:45
  or the,
• 35:45
  the real fir first step in this is just live not by lies.
• 35:48
  It's Solzhenitsyn's.
• 35:50
  Live not by lies.
• 35:51
  Do not anyone who is lying to you is causing a problem.
• 35:53
  Anyone who is lying to you does not have your interests at heart,
• 35:57
  uh,
• 35:57
  when you're talking about any of these issues.
• 35:59
  And so you just have to look for the lie right away every time.
• 36:02
  And,
• 36:03
  you know,
• 36:03
  this is the thing like with,
• 36:04
  with climate change,
• 36:04
  like,
• 36:05
  well,
• 36:05
  the guy's wrong and he made up the data,
• 36:06
  but like it's for a good cause.
• 36:07
  No.
• 36:09
  Same thing with COVID,
• 36:10
  right?
• 36:10
  It's like,
• 36:10
  oh well,
• 36:11
  you know,
• 36:11
  we pretend that,
• 36:12
  uh,
• 36:12
  natural immunity doesn't exist anymore,
• 36:13
  but it's for a good cause.
• 36:14
  No,
• 36:15
  that's
• 36:16
  not gonna fly.
• 36:17
  So you have to always look for the lie,
• 36:19
  and that is the step of protecting yourself.
• 36:21
  And also watch Stu's awesome show because
• 36:23
  he doesn't fall for those lies,
• 36:25
  like them,
• 36:25
  like those fools out there.
• 36:27
  I,
• 36:27
  I try my best.
• 36:28
  I,
• 36:28
  that's why I read books by Buck Sexton,
• 36:30
  uh,
• 36:30
  to,
• 36:31
  to learn kind of the recipe about how they do this
• 36:33
  to you.
• 36:34
  Of course,
• 36:34
  Buck is the co-host.
• 36:35
  Host of Clay Travis Buck's Texton Show,
• 36:37
  author of Manufacturing Delusion How the Left Uses Brainwashing,
• 36:41
  Indoctrination and Propaganda Against You,
• 36:43
  and Blaze alum,
• 36:44
  we should not forget,
• 36:46
  of course,
• 36:47
  Premiere Radio friend,
• 36:48
  Blaze TV alum
• 36:50
  from back in the day.
• 36:51
  Be sure to grab a copy wherever you get your books.
• 36:53
  This is really great.
• 36:53
  It's kind of like the recipe on everything that's going on right now.
• 36:56
  It will be explained in detail for you.
• 36:57
  Get this book.
• 36:58
  Buck,
• 36:59
  thanks so much for coming on the program,
• 37:00
  man.
• 37:00
  It's great to see you.
• 37:01
  Great to see you.
• 37:02
  Thank you,
• 37:02
  Stu.
• 37:11
  Well,
• 37:12
  if you're in Illinois.
• 37:14
  You have a great,
• 37:15
  great life,
• 37:16
  but you also have a primary today,
• 37:18
  uh,
• 37:19
  big primary on the Democratic side.
• 37:20
  There's a bunch of them up and down the ballot,
• 37:22
  kind of the divide
• 37:24
  between,
• 37:24
  uh,
• 37:25
  different factions
• 37:26
  of the left.
• 37:27
  Maybe the biggest race
• 37:29
  is an interesting one.
• 37:30
  I should check this as I'm talking to you,
• 37:31
  um,
• 37:32
  go on one of these prediction markets,
• 37:33
  as you may know,
• 37:34
  I'm gonna be doing a show about prediction markets coming up very soon.
• 37:37
  Uh,
• 37:38
  and the show is called Predictable with Stu,
• 37:40
  going to be available to you in the middle of April.
• 37:43
  And one of the things we're going to be talking about a lot of these races,
• 37:45
  uh,
• 37:46
  and
• 37:46
  it is,
• 37:47
  uh,
• 37:48
  you know,
• 37:48
  it's kind of an interesting thing to,
• 37:50
  uh,
• 37:50
  to see play out
• 37:52
  across the country,
• 37:53
  especially when you come through the,
• 37:54
  the primary season.
• 37:55
  Much more difficult to predict than the actual elections.
• 37:58
  Um,
• 37:59
  it's a little bit more wild.
• 38:00
  The polling is not nearly as good.
• 38:02
  Um,
• 38:03
  so it can be a little bit difficult,
• 38:05
  but let's see,
• 38:05
  we have the Illinois Democratic Senate nominee,
• 38:07
  that's the race we're talking about,
• 38:09
  um,
• 38:09
  and a very small,
• 38:11
  a small lead now.
• 38:12
  It's been about a 50/50
• 38:14
  race in the prediction markets
• 38:16
  as we're leading up to vote time
• 38:18
  between Juliana Stratton.
• 38:19
  She's the one that was
• 38:21
  endorsed by Pritzker,
• 38:22
  who's the main,
• 38:23
  who's the governor.
• 38:24
  She was the lieutenant governor,
• 38:26
  you know,
• 38:26
  Tammy Duckworth also came along,
• 38:28
  big figures in Illinois.
• 38:29
  And then uh
• 38:31
  we're just going to call him Raja.
• 38:32
  That's what people are tend to be calling him.
• 38:33
  Why?
• 38:34
  Because it's like a,
• 38:34
  I think it's,
• 38:35
  is it Indian last name?
• 38:36
  I'm not sure.
• 38:37
  I think it's Indian.
• 38:38
  And there's about 644 letters,
• 38:40
  lots of O's and H's and I's in it.
• 38:42
  I,
• 38:42
  I,
• 38:42
  I don't know how to pronounce it.
• 38:43
  I'm not even going to attempt it.
• 38:44
  And that's the thing,
• 38:45
  you don't expect that from me.
• 38:47
  You didn't expect me to know.
• 38:48
  How to pronounce the names of the candidates.
• 38:50
  That's not what I do here.
• 38:52
  But he spent like $29 million on ads,
• 38:54
  outspent his competitors by a lot.
• 38:56
  You're at a 50/50 type of race here.
• 38:58
  There's a third candidate as well in the race.
• 39:00
  It's not like Texas where there's a runoff,
• 39:02
  so it's going to theoretically be decided,
• 39:04
  but it could be very,
• 39:05
  very close today.
• 39:05
  Right now,
• 39:06
  Raja
• 39:07
  has a 59%
• 39:09
  on Calci,
• 39:10
  for example,
• 39:11
  when you talk about that market going forward.
• 39:13
  And then we have another upcoming primary,
• 39:15
  which is a fascinating one
• 39:17
  in Maine.
• 39:18
  Well,
• 39:18
  they're going to be going up against Susan Collins,
• 39:20
  who's won many times but is always vulnerable,
• 39:22
  and Maine is obviously a blue state.
• 39:24
  Hard for a Republican to win there.
• 39:25
  You have to kind of be a Susan Collins type
• 39:28
  to have a chance.
• 39:28
  normally,
• 39:29
  though Collins isn't particularly,
• 39:31
  you know,
• 39:32
  popular in Maine right now.
• 39:35
  Now they have a somewhat popular governor.
• 39:36
  Her name is Janet Mills.
• 39:38
  She was recruited heavily by the Democrats.
• 39:41
  They got her into the Race.
• 39:42
  This was assumed to be this major coup
• 39:44
  for her to be in the race,
• 39:46
  and then some guy with a Nazi tattoo came in and was like,
• 39:49
  Hey,
• 39:49
  what if I run and now he's winning.
• 39:51
  So I kind of a crazy situation.
• 39:53
  There's a new ad by Janet Mills to try to get this primary back into her control,
• 39:59
  and she released this negative ad about some of the
• 40:01
  things that Plattner has been saying over the years.
• 40:04
  They're fascinating.
• 40:06
  Did you know Graham Plattner wrote that women worried about rape need to quote,
• 40:10
  not get so up they wind up having sex with someone they don't mean to.
• 40:14
  Disgusting.
• 40:15
  Plattner wrote,
• 40:15
  to avoid rape,
• 40:16
  women should quote,
• 40:17
  act like an adult for sake.
• 40:19
  Graham Plattner.
• 40:19
  Seriously,
• 40:20
  we blame the victim.
• 40:21
  That's a horrible thing to say.
• 40:22
  Disqualifying.
• 40:23
  I have not seen this.
• 40:24
  He's a bully.
• 40:25
  This guy gives off a vibe.
• 40:27
  Just no way I could vote for you.
• 40:30
  No,
• 40:30
  Graham Plattner,
• 40:31
  the closer you look,
• 40:32
  the worse it gets.
• 40:33
  I'm Janet Mills,
• 40:34
  and I approve this message.
• 40:36
  She's looking fabulous.
• 40:37
  The both of them looking fabulous in that video.
• 40:38
  I love the way he's like,
• 40:39
  he gives off a vibe.
• 40:41
  Yeah,
• 40:41
  he kind of does,
• 40:42
  doesn't he?
• 40:43
  It's it's a sort of rapey Nazi vibe,
• 40:46
  but why wouldn't he be,
• 40:48
  by the way,
• 40:48
  up 75 to 26%
• 40:51
  when it comes to the prediction markets over Janet Mills?
• 40:54
  This is going to be,
• 40:55
  this is probably very good for Susan Collins.
• 40:58
  Mills would have been a difficult opponent,
• 41:00
  though,
• 41:01
  you know,
• 41:01
  Platter seems to keep performing in these polls.
• 41:03
  Just people like the dude.
• 41:05
  They just like the Nazi tattoo.
• 41:06
  What can I say?
• 41:06
  That's Maine for you.
• 41:08
  I love Nazi tattoos in Maine.
• 41:11
  Hakeem Jeffries is growing threat of a 2027 rebellion.
• 41:14
  Again,
• 41:14
  the assumption here is that the Democrats win
• 41:16
  the House.
• 41:17
  That one is about 85% chance on calcium poly market right now.
• 41:21
  I don't know if there's much value there,
• 41:22
  by the way,
• 41:23
  if you're playing these prediction markets,
• 41:24
  85%.
• 41:25
  It's probably,
• 41:26
  uh,
• 41:26
  it's priced pretty well,
• 41:28
  uh,
• 41:28
  honestly.
• 41:28
  They are definitely the favorites,
• 41:29
  but if they win,
• 41:30
  will Hakeem Jeffries be in leadership?
• 41:32
  Questions about that.
• 41:33
  He's really not an effective guy.
• 41:34
  He's kind of a dolt,
• 41:36
  kind of a zero,
• 41:37
  a zilch,
• 41:38
  uh,
• 41:38
  so not really doing well.
• 41:39
  Unlike this woman who's running for Senate in Minnesota,
• 41:42
  who was found guilty in a tarantula throwing incident.
• 41:45
  Now one thing,
• 41:46
  uh,
• 41:46
  not known much about my life is I took out a book from the library,
• 41:50
  Old Sabre,
• 41:50
  Connecticut,
• 41:51
  uh,
• 41:51
  titled Spiders.
• 41:53
  And then forgot to return it.
• 41:55
  It's the first crime I've ever committed,
• 41:57
  among many in the future.
• 41:59
  So I was kind of into the spider thing.
• 42:01
  Tarantula is not really that deadly to humans though.
• 42:03
  I mean,
• 42:03
  it's the black widows you've got to be a little more terrified of.
• 42:05
  I've seen one of those.
• 42:06
  One was in my garage.
• 42:08
  Well,
• 42:08
  I found a black widow in my garage.
• 42:09
  That was a real thing,
• 42:10
  a real story of my life.
• 42:11
  So criminal
• 42:12
  from the library
• 42:14
  and had a black widow spider.
• 42:16
  In my garage,
• 42:17
  the two main things that have occurred
• 42:19
  in my existence.
• 42:20
  Back in a second.
• 42:32
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• 42:33
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