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#483 Guest Host Conor Hall with Arvel Marshall · Wrongful Conviction

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  Speaker 1: Hi.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Connor Hall, one of the producers for Ronfuel Conviction.
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  Speaker 2: And if you don't follow us on social media, you
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  Speaker 2: may not have heard, but our good friends Jason Flamm
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  Speaker 2: and Gliali got married and now for their honeymoon. In
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  Speaker 2: true Ali Flahm fashion, they're in Texas right now fighting
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  Speaker 2: to save an innocent man on death row, Robert Robertson.
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  Speaker 2: He's scheduled for execution on October seventeenth, twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: We'll link his episode in the episode description. And while
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  Speaker 2: they're away, Jason is generously handed over hosting duties to me,
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  Speaker 2: and I promised that I wouldn't screw it up, So
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  Speaker 2: here we go. On July fifteenth, two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 2: twenty two year old Mustafa O Maria was gunned down
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  Speaker 2: in front of his building in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. There
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  Speaker 2: was confusion whether there was one or two assailants, but
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  Speaker 2: the descriptions Cohen sided on male, varying shades of black skin,
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  Speaker 2: between five nine and six feet tall, late teens early twenties. Soon,
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  Speaker 2: another alleged witness claimed to know the shooter's motive. The
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  Speaker 2: victim had been sleeping with a woman named Nicki Collier
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  Speaker 2: and her alleged boyfriend, Rvel Marshall had just gotten out
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  Speaker 2: of jail. But Arvel stood at five foot five and
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  Speaker 2: was thirty six years old, not a teenager. Nevertheless, the
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  Speaker 2: victim's friends identified r Vel as the shooter, sending him
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  Speaker 2: away for twenty five to life. This is wrongful conviction.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction, where we have another case
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  Speaker 2: out of Brooklyn, and across from me is a man
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  Speaker 2: named Rvil Marshall who endured something that well, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was disgusting, unnecessary, should have been completely avoidable, and
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  Speaker 2: almost was. And we're going to get to that in
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  Speaker 2: just a minute, but we're just happy to have him home.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for doing this, well, you welcome, Amen and you
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  Speaker 2: may have just heard a familiar voice say, Amen, that's
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  Speaker 2: justin bonus.
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  Speaker 4: You and I probably talk more than most people talk
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  Speaker 4: to their.
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  Speaker 2: Family, and it's typically about another case you're working on.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately that well never dries up. I mean we've worked
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  Speaker 2: on how many cases already, Marcus.
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  Speaker 5: Wiggins, Vincent Simmons, Jerome Curry, Raphael Martinez, Garriy Ben Loss.
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  Speaker 4: Well, thank you for coming back. Absolutely, Yeah, this case
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  Speaker 4: is no less fucked up.
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  Speaker 5: The only good part about r Vel's case is he's
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  Speaker 5: exonerated and we're on the next phase, which is fighting
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  Speaker 5: to get him compensated. But that's about the only good
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  Speaker 5: thing about Rvel's case.
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  Speaker 4: And you and Brownsville and bedsty Hey.
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  Speaker 1: This is nice. You know, it's kind of rough, but
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  Speaker 1: it's nice. I used to work as Super Marcus as
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  Speaker 1: a kid, packing bags and stuff. I get a little
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  Speaker 1: money here there because my family was poor. But that
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  Speaker 1: growing up at browns with a dead style, you literally
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  Speaker 1: get tested because especially the Ghattle, the neighborhoods like you
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  Speaker 1: would have to.
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  Speaker 2: Fight famously, Mike Tyson's from Brownsville, and then you're like
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  Speaker 2: coming of age when Mike is getting huge, right, But
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  Speaker 2: before it was huge.
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  Speaker 4: He must have been known around town.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He's the right coach screep for your
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  Speaker 1: a boy tweet Sunny and Blake the shelters.
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  Speaker 2: No shit, Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Mike trying to help the community, you know, like Hivy
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  Speaker 1: dog K used to come through there, give it out,
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  Speaker 1: turkeys and shit like that.
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  Speaker 4: So what's the precinct?
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  Speaker 1: Seventy seven?
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  Speaker 4: Some people that you are familiar.
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  Speaker 5: With Brooklyn North homicide. One of them, if you know
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  Speaker 5: James Davis. James Davis was wrong, clear convicted.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wait Ja Davis?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Legelaide represented felt okay, yeah, ye ye ye yah yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So one of the lead detectives there was Jay Wallski
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  Speaker 5: and then Matthew Hutchinson. Matthew Hutchinson, from my understanding, fabricated
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  Speaker 5: a statement in James Davis's case, and he's all over
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  Speaker 5: our Velle's case.
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  Speaker 2: If you're unfamiliar with James Davis's case, we'll have that
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  Speaker 2: linked in the episode description as well. Now, Ourvell's case
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  Speaker 2: really began when he met a young lady in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and.
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  Speaker 1: Three, Jadique will Collier aka Nicky.
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  Speaker 4: Tell me about meeting her, like, was there a good time?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? It was a good time. I was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but I still feel she has something to do with
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  Speaker 1: me going to jail. Even though it was a good time,
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  Speaker 1: I still feel that way.
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  Speaker 4: And this is in bed star at the time now
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  Speaker 4: that you were living.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm staying at Brownsville, but I moved to current
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  Speaker 1: high school. KICKI her baba ah all right, Okay, Nicky
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  Speaker 1: Moba was originally my girlfriend. O Dick kept coming on
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  Speaker 1: to me. I ain't want a best one, it though
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  Speaker 1: it just happened. Nicky used to date my brother. She
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  Speaker 1: got my brother Dave tattooed on her back. Shit, and
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  Speaker 1: she was dating my niece baby father.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Now, as most of us are aware, betraying the
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  Speaker 2: expectation of a monogamous relationship can offense, spark fights, breakups, or,
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  Speaker 2: as the police believed in this case, murder. But Nicki
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  Speaker 2: appears to have lived as she pleased and not led
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  Speaker 2: any of her lovers to have any other expectation, including
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  Speaker 2: r vel or the victim in this case Mustafo Maria.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was dated a that will tell she was
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  Speaker 1: messing with him and I was in rackets.
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  Speaker 4: Out what were you in for me?
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  Speaker 1: And my sister tell you we had I got in
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  Speaker 1: a fight as she lied to the cops and told
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  Speaker 1: him that I stabbed her, but I didn't stab her.
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  Speaker 1: I beat that. I came home, but she came to
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  Speaker 1: visit beat on my birthday and she told me she
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  Speaker 1: wanted me to leave her mother at bibleh and she's
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  Speaker 1: going to leave the victims Mustafo Barrio.
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  Speaker 4: I said, okay, and this dude we were talking earlier,
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  Speaker 4: so he's in the Bloods. And then he's also like
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  Speaker 4: a handsome guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a handsome guy. He was messing with
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  Speaker 1: dudes girls.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, between the victims involvement with the Bloods
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  Speaker 2: as well as his activity with women who were in
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  Speaker 2: otherwise monogamous relationships, there may have been some ill will
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  Speaker 2: toward him. On the night that he died July fifteenth,
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, sometime before ten pm, in front
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  Speaker 2: of his building one thirty nine Albany Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 1: There's not thirty day sent call to the witnesses.
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  Speaker 5: Right, you know, if you're the cops, you wanted to
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  Speaker 5: be closer to ten o'clock, right, Arvel? Yeah, because they
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  Speaker 5: knew Rvel had a pretty good Alibi between nine thirty
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  Speaker 5: and nine to forty five, and Rvel didn't have a
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  Speaker 5: car either, just by the way, so he would have
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  Speaker 5: had to take in a bus from his mother's house
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  Speaker 5: in right all the way to Crown Heights. It's like
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  Speaker 5: a twenty minute bus strip by itself. But you have
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  Speaker 5: Mustapha sitting on the stoop and three of his friends,
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  Speaker 5: a guid by the name of Zakarie, Zaybo and Benison,
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  Speaker 5: and somebody rolls up to them and head shots their
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  Speaker 5: friend that around nine thirty at night and then runs away.
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  Speaker 1: They said he came from D Street and walked along
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  Speaker 1: Albity Avenue. They ran back on D Street after leave.
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  Speaker 1: It a sea from Albity Avenue.
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  Speaker 5: Now, the initial description is somebody between five foot nine
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  Speaker 5: and six foot Rvel's like five to five okay, three
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  Speaker 5: inches to a half of foot potentially. We also got
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  Speaker 5: a description of light skin on the nine to one
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  Speaker 5: one calls. And then the other description, which is a
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  Speaker 5: seventeen year old Rvel looked probably forty Rvel right.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, So the description didn't even come close to Rvel.
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  Speaker 2: But there were some unresolvable discrepancies between the descriptions from
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  Speaker 2: Benison and then Zebo and Zakari.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: First they said bel black light skid, seventeen years old,
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  Speaker 1: wearing the white T shirt blue JS. Then with the
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  Speaker 1: other twols take it to the priests. They give a statement.
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  Speaker 1: They said bel black dog skid. We with the white
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  Speaker 1: T shirt dog JS and either hat or do but
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  Speaker 1: well he went to the DA's office. He fixed it.
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  Speaker 1: It said that the Bell was black, brown skinned, wearing
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  Speaker 1: all dark clothes.
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  Speaker 5: Which interestingly matches the video that we're going to talk about.
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  Speaker 5: And understand this, the three witnesses are testify to trial,
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  Speaker 5: never say there were two people involved. Yet we have
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  Speaker 5: a video that shows that there were two people involved.
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  Speaker 2: As Arvel mentioned, the assailants were traveling west on Dean,
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  Speaker 2: made a left going south on Albany to where these
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  Speaker 2: four men were at one thirty nine Albany. So the
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  Speaker 2: police found a surveillance camera on Dean Street, which didn't
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  Speaker 2: capture the shooting, but it saw enough to account for
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  Speaker 2: the discrepancies and the descriptions.
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  Speaker 5: It's in the middle of the block. Actually, the video
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  Speaker 5: is pretty good quality and it has an angle that
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  Speaker 5: goes both ways, so you see the guys what we
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  Speaker 5: now know are the perpetrators. And a key thing is
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  Speaker 5: they're both the same size.
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  Speaker 4: One has light skin, one has dark shind Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well dual gattle dark clothes and other dual gattle light shirt,
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  Speaker 1: blue jays. He got a baseball capboard.
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  Speaker 5: This is what the video shows. These two young guys
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  Speaker 5: walking down, one guy lifting up, pulling a gun out,
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  Speaker 5: and you watch them make a left on the Albany.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: How you know what's the shooting is there's two guys walking,
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  Speaker 5: one with a dog, one or not on Dean, and
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  Speaker 5: they're walking towards Albany. They hear the shots, they stop,
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  Speaker 5: start walking f pass the other way. Then all of
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  Speaker 5: a sudden you see the same two guys and the
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  Speaker 5: guy with the white shirt has a big black thing
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  Speaker 5: in his hand, which is a gun. And the two
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  Speaker 5: guys that were on the block here in the shooting,
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  Speaker 5: they see these two young guys on Dean running towards them.
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  Speaker 5: They're back on the camera again, running back towards Weeks filth.
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  Speaker 5: This is how we know those are the shooters.
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  Speaker 2: The police made two copies of the video, one for
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  Speaker 2: the DA and one for the case file, and then
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  Speaker 2: made still images from the video of the assailants. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: police alleged that someone named Abraham Omar told them about
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  Speaker 2: the connection between Nikki Arvel and the victim, but then
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  Speaker 2: this person seemed to just disappear and then never testified.
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  Speaker 5: Let's talk about Abraham Omoa.
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  Speaker 1: Detective Hushis claved he took somebody statement with Jula Vizi.
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  Speaker 1: It did clave that person provided additional information after they
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  Speaker 1: called back the last sixty and that person he gave
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  Speaker 1: a dave to as Abraham Omar.
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  Speaker 5: He talks about the boyfriend of Nikki that lives at eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: Was it eighteen ninety six? Specific?
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  Speaker 5: Were you using that address as where you were on
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  Speaker 5: probation right, yes, so then they had your name at
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  Speaker 5: that address too.
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  Speaker 4: What does Abraham Omar say?
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  Speaker 1: He basically said, allegedly that he was best friends with
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  Speaker 1: the victim, and before the victim died, the victim told
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  Speaker 1: him that he had a problem with a girl named Nikki's.
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  Speaker 5: Boyfriend, and I tried, my darnedness, and I'm pretty good
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  Speaker 5: to find the people by the way, you know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean? There was no Abraham Omar in Brooklyn at all,
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  Speaker 5: at all.
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  Speaker 4: He's a fucking fabrication.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because according to like you know, the court record,
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  Speaker 2: and and who's the one?
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  Speaker 5: There is no nine one call with Abraham won.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he fabricated Abraham Omar.
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  Speaker 2: But if Abraham Omar doesn't exist, the nine one one
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  Speaker 2: call didn't exist. It's possible that all of this information
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  Speaker 2: might have come from Nicki.
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  Speaker 1: The ass who's her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 5: She told me what day was that?
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  Speaker 1: Allow sixteen, the same day they allegedly spoke to this
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  Speaker 1: Abraham Omar. If you read Nikki's statement that was given
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  Speaker 1: to Hushinston and Wolski, you could see that they just
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  Speaker 1: took certain parts out that could incriminate me and put
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  Speaker 1: it in the alleged Abraham omo statement. They took everything
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  Speaker 1: she said about be getting out of jail, I will
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  Speaker 1: allegedly boost by the good, and that I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: kill some god the block. So they just took all
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  Speaker 1: that and just put it in.
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  Speaker 4: The person called Abraham Omar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right on this witness statement to this person who's
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  Speaker 2: best friends with Santa Claus.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then Bennison identified RFL from a photo array.
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  Speaker 5: And a photo ray is crazy because RFL is the
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  Speaker 5: only one with corn roast.
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  Speaker 4: What does everyone else look like?
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  Speaker 1: Caesars.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's in the photo array.
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  Speaker 4: What day was it when they picked you up?
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  Speaker 1: July twenty second and they came VICKI house. I was
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  Speaker 1: sleep in the living room. I heard beg you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking it was because of the temporary order protection that
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  Speaker 1: be A Dicky had to stay away from each other
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  Speaker 1: because the twenty first Mian Niggie was argued. So I
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  Speaker 1: ain't taking no chance. I jumped out the window, got
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  Speaker 1: on the roof. As they chased me. A black officer
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  Speaker 1: came that I knew they used to live with my building,
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  Speaker 1: and he asked me. He's like, yo, you really don't
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  Speaker 1: know what's going on? I said, Dawn, I don't know nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They took me to the priest and I'm actually, what's
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  Speaker 1: this fun? They didn't tell me. They didn't tell me.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't tell me. They put me the line up.
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  Speaker 5: And then in the lineup they had you guys in hats, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: sitting down, of course.
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  Speaker 4: Sitting down, so they oh, what what? How tall is he?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but what was different about the other
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  Speaker 4: guys in the lineup?
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  Speaker 1: They was taller than me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Then after the lineup was over, they took me another
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  Speaker 1: rule the Haircuffy start offered me Suldas McDonald's and all
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  Speaker 1: the cigarette stuff. The talk, Wolski said that Ustofo Mario
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  Speaker 1: was murdered and I'm the one that killed him because
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  Speaker 1: I found out he was banging my girl. And I'm like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: what did you talk about?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 1: He said, well, you the word going down for this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. If yn't want to
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  Speaker 1: tell who did it, you go it down for it.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I can you tell you without a will
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  Speaker 1: and they'll say you without a lawyer. The devil was
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  Speaker 1: given a lawyer. I was never read by rights. I
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  Speaker 1: was just arrested.
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  Speaker 2: Arvel spent nineteen months on Rikers Island pre trial. He
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  Speaker 2: was going to be tried by Assistant District Attorney Tim
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  Speaker 2: Goff in front of Judge Vincent del Judas, and he
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  Speaker 2: was assigned to public defender Alan Stuttman.
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  Speaker 1: That would receive the visit Stubb in nineteen months. The
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  Speaker 1: only time about say Stubb is the court.
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  Speaker 2: Public defenders they're typically overworked, underpaid. But that said, you're
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  Speaker 2: telling him exactly what to do.
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  Speaker 1: He was listened to me a total CD to investigator
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  Speaker 1: out judge fire talk is the one hyat the investigator
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  Speaker 1: Stubman did hie.
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  Speaker 2: Him right, So you went above del Judis's head. So
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  Speaker 2: he loved that shit too, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, Two out of three of the witnesses told the
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  Speaker 5: defense investigator that they knew who to pick out because
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  Speaker 5: Rvel looked totally different than everybody else in the lineup.
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  Speaker 4: Do they do that on purpose? You think?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, did you ask that sarcastic?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, of course.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So now, I mean, this isn't funny, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 4: But it gets worse.
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  Speaker 5: You have this defense investigator, David Walker, who's from Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 5: new people in the neighborhood, and he had somebody in
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  Speaker 5: the neighborhood that gave him this information. This individual said
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  Speaker 5: it was a mistaken identity, like they didn't mean to
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  Speaker 5: kill the victim, but it was guys from Weeksville, which
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  Speaker 5: isn't that far from where Nikki lived, right, And the
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  Speaker 5: description that he gets from the format matches what happens
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  Speaker 5: on the video, which is it's a hit. It's not
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  Speaker 5: a crime of passion, right.
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  Speaker 4: This is doing a trial.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he doesn't ever testify. They found this out before trial.
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  Speaker 5: Trial attorney does nothing with us.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I still remember that statement. It says
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  Speaker 1: Jamal Joles is the set up man for the shooter.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: He lives at one thirty seven. Mother is a cop,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: they said, Auvel Barshoot, which is me, is it his thirties?
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It it's not the shooter. They said. The shooter is
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: sixty year old Don L. White, also lives in Weeksville.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: They say God named Lewis is the ubdillah for the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: group and he is expanded. His last name is adult.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: They say if Lewis house is checked, the gun for
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the shooter would probably be found there.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Wow, very vivid description, right.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And with this vivid narrative available to the defense. In
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: December two thousand and nine, Arvell was taken to trial
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: on the identifications that had also been exposed by the
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: investigator is false and potentially engineered and Rvel didn't even
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: know about the surveillance for the jet.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: The DA Colly walked into courtroom with the videos and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: still photos in her head. That's how I found out
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: that they exist.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: The stills.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's still photos in the video. When I first
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: brought video to the judge attention, I went through my lawyer.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: The DA said he didn't have the video. He said
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: he only had still photos that he provided to my
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: lawyer months ago. My lawyers said they was of no value.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: The next day I brought it the police report showing
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that the videosis and still photos made off of it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Then the DA said, yeah, he had the video, but
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: he can't open it. It won't work. So I said, yo,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: how did you get the still photos off the video
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: if the video don't work? He said his office had
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. He said, I was giving
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the tapes after they made copies of the tape they
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: retrieved and all it depicts its two individuals just walking
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: down the street.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Allegedly, what the police tell the prosecutor is they take
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: a clip of the video and they say the only
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: thing that they see on the video is two guys
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: walking on Dean Street. That's it. They don't say that
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: these two individuals are the shooters.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: And let's not forget the defense investigator David Walker uncovered
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: that one of those assailants may have been the son
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: of a cop at the seventy seventh Precinct. So we're
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: not sure if the DA saw this video or not.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe eighty A. Tim guff was presenting some kind of
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: plausible deniability ploy about this video to the court.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: We don't know.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Nevertheless, they logically follows that the police tech guys that
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: produced the still were able to open the videos. I'm
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: reading what my researcher extracted from these exchanges, and if
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: he had a new excuse every fucking day, every time
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: he was like, oh, I can only play it on
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: this particular laptop that has this particular software on it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: You could just install the software. That's it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: That's fact.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: But he's making fucking excuses every single day.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Aby single day. If the video showed me or he
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: would have been happy to play it, but be it
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that he know was to be and know it was
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the Astra appropritrators.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: They just kept stalling. Meanwhile, they presented the eyewitnesses.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: Zakari is the first one to get on the witness
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: stand and they asked him, do you see the shooter
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: in the courtroom?
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah? No, Right, well then I guess that wraps it up.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, And you had to understand something. Zacarry before trial
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: identifies Rvel in the lineup allegedly. So how does he
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: come in at trial and say, no, Rvel isn't the one.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: How does he tell the defense investigator that he couldn't
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: make an ID?
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Yep?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: The only way that it happens that he does make
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: the ID. And again this is when you get into
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: all best practices and everything. The investigators that know about
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: the investigation shouldn't be involved with the identification. But you
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: can only come to one conclusion if this guy's telling
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: the defense investigator and then comes in a trial and
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: says that Rvel Marshall's not the shooter, right, is that
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: he was told that Rvel Marshall was the shooter during
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: the lineup that he viewed. And that's why he makes
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: the positive identification. You gotta remember, all three witness this
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: is their friend that's dead. Yeah, so if the police
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: are telling them that this is the guy that did it,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: You got to back that up. I mean, what are
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: you gonna dishonor his dead?
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Like now, all of a sudden, Benison comes in and
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: he's positive, it's our velt, right. And what's interesting is
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: the one thing that Alan Stutman did and Arvell and
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: I were talking about this is he cross examines and
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: eats Benison up on the fact that you only had
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: moments to see this person. It's not like you got
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: a good look at him. And Benison in amidst us right,
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: the next one that gets on the witness stand is
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Eyeball a positive all of a sudden, right, and we
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: know from the defense investigator that these witnesses are all
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: saying that they weren't sure of their ID before trial.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: To do with the defense is, so we're going to
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: talk about circumstantial evidence. Right, there's a jury instruction that
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: described circumstantial evidence. You get up in the morning, there's
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: snow on the ground, right, what can we assume it
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: snowed last night? Right? First witness gets on the witness stand.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: I don't see the shoot her in the courtroom. The
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: next two get up on the witness standard. We're a positive.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: What can we assume happen here?
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: They got coached?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this corse?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So all right, that circus goes on. Yes, your defensive
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: investigator already knows his bullshit. Yes, your public defender is
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: already cross examining them, and the jury sees this.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, am I missing anything about this trial other.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Than affected his alibi his sister, who, by the way,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: he told you he went to Rikers because he was
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: fighting the case because he had an incident with his sister.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: So the sister that he had an incident with is
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: his alibi. She comes in and testifies that he was home.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: And then you're fighting to see this video the final straw, though,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: tell me about that interaction with Dell Judas.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Actually get we played a video to pull my edicist.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: He told me I'm having outbust in order the court officers.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: He scored me out of the court room, and that's
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: when I got upset. Star Curses said, fuck this, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: didn't kill nobody. Why the fuck you gotta do this
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to me? Yah? Got the evidence right there, It proves
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: my edocence. Why you don't wuld to play the video?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Because you do? It proves my edocence. And then he
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: started yelling heavy up, take him out of the court.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Rule was this in front of the jury?
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: R V Yes, and he says, quote, I've had enough
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: for you. All you do is rant. It's like my
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: fucking life mother, Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly what he said.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Rvel talked about this video so much he was actually
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: found in contempt. And you have to remember this is
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: that at that point Rvel hadn't even seen the video.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, why the fuck would you be so
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: interested in seeing something unless you absolutely knew you weren't
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: fucking there? Yeah, all right, So I mean the jury
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: sees this, yep, are you thinking like, oh maybe maybe.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe I got a chance. Yeah, it took like forty
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: five minutes to deliverer rate if that would be guilty
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: with no evidence, like, yeah, we be STARp vertic guilty.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I said, y'all people crazy, I said, y'all hear me
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: up here, actually judge to make the DA play the video,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I say, because it's fool my innocence. Did y'all really
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that crazy? Like y'all really that blind? They have being
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Auburn Clinton Albirah say say Attica. Theom CEOs there they
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: talked about racist. They racist. They don't care, they don't
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: hide it. That jail needs to be shut down.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: The losers do whatever they want. Lieutenants is down with it. Captors,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: all of them. They just let them do whatever they
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: want to jump people, be people up and kill people there.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's places, it's crazy, man.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: They have some interesting artwork on their bodies.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, you already know the bay with the rope.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: You know all types of crazy shit man, the hitless suns.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, them shits you know these are correctional Yeah?
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, why do you take this job?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Oh I couldn't fucking wait. Like Jesus Christ.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Cow was always going to take a job where they
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: could see they got the upper head or the real motherfucker.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: If I had done this, you would never hear of
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: be fighting by case. I was just left it alone.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know what, fuck it, I did it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Let me do my time. But I know how didn't
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: do it. I was going to the little library and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I learned as much as I could about my case,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and then I just put it motions. I raised Brady
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that shoot, it is Rozario violations, prosecution misconduct, police misconduct,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and the judge being biased.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, he wasn't able to gain any traction for over
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: ten years, but over that time he built evidence to
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: support all of his issues claims and ultimately obtained the video.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Rvel did what he did pro say, and then he
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: reached out to Derek Hamilton. You know I work with Derek, right.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Do you guys know each other from the inside.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to imagine like Auburn, you met Nelson
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: in them and the AI team.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I met Derek campibell to too.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: He came to me late October early November twenty twenty three,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: and I looked at the video, and Rvel made a
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: clear record that it wasn't turned over. Actually contacted his attorney,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: and there wasn't just the video. There were interviews with
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: some of the witnesses weren't turned over, and his trial
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: attorney admitted that he never received a video.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Audio statements, right.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Audio statements. So Rvel really makes a clear record. And
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: I look at this video and I'm like, okay, well
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: these are the shooters, yep. So then i looked at
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: the description of Rvel and I'm like, he doesn't match
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: the description. I look at a picture of him, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: I'm like, nobody is going to confuse him for the
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: people in the.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Video, even if it's grainy, right.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: And so it was, you know, Brady, the cru had
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: to do their investigations. I tried to find Abraham Omar.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: I tried to track down the actual person that owned
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: the business that took the video to see if maybe
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I could get even better copy, maybe the raw files
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: of the video. I hired it an expert to maybe
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: enhance it even more.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Justin was trying to develop further support for Rvel's claim.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: The Brooklyn Conviction Review Unit conducted interviews, including with Nicki
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and Zebo Zacari, Benison and his attorney, Alan Stutman.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: The DA's office interviews Alan Stuttman and they show him
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: the video and he said he would have used that video.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: He said that he would have shown that to Rvel
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: and we would have built a defense around that. So
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: not only did they with hul Brady evidence, they created
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: a separation between Rvel and his lawyer. They turned Rvel
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: against his lawyer, and the lawyers looking at Rvel like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: you're crazy. The video doesn't mean anything. Yeah, he says,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: I trusted what the DA said. I trusted what the
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: police said. I trusted what the judge said. And then
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: you got to remember too, this lawyer is an eight
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: and B lawyer, and his vouchers get signed by the judge. Okay,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: so there's only but so much pushing. We're gonna get here, right, Yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: gonna get paid, right.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So you have that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Then he interviews A Carrie and Za Carry says specifically
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: that we were unsure and then we were told he's
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: the killer.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yep. After the fact, the cops told him that Nicky
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: boyfriend was the shooter. I was locked up and I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: was described as Nicky's boyfriend. At that time, So who
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: else will he be talking about? How would it be?
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: And it goes from a no I D to then
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: an ID. Then they interview Niki and this is why
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: RVL believes that Nicky has something to do with this
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: other than some of the things he's already laid out.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Nicki gives a statement to his defense investigator no one
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: else says there's two people involved other than her.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she knew it was two perpetrated and she also
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: knew that they was one of them was young m
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: How did she notice? Nicky claimed to have received information
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: from her next door neighbor, say that somebody told them
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: allegedly that they say two perpetrators. How do they.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Notice because her next door neighbor is Abraham Omar.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, none other that Abraham strikes again.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: But you know, interestingly, they showed her the video and
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: she said, what'd she say, Arvel?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: She said, that's not all about of that video.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Boom I mean, I wish could do we have a
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: funk flex that we have a bomber. I mean it
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: took ten months though once I got on board of
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: pushing and RVEL was frustrated. I was frustrated, but at
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, the DA's office did the
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: right thing and they admitted that's not him in the video.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: That video had a tremendous amount of value and they
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: let him out.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: A blessed man, you know, basically helped me prove that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It's August ninth, twenty twenty four. What do you have
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: going on?
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Like? You know, whe are you living with's life? Like?
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't have a place to stay right now.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I'm staying at people houses here and there. You know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I'm homeless really right now. You know, they just send
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: me back out here with nothing.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: He has a state suit pending, and we're moving on
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: civil rights and we're working to try to get r
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: VEL stabilized.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: This case stressed my mother out so bad she passed away.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It stressed my father out, my sister out. They all
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: three passed away, and my step father well that's for people.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: They passed away because they wanted to be back home
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: so much, and all they used to think about was me.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I gotta letters, so I to be baby, come home.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Have you ever to get hold I don't know how
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: much more I could take and then she's gone. Now
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: they all got and that was my support while I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: was a jet. There was my support of the street.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: That'll have able.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: No, as you've just heard, our Vell has very little support,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and you can help them stay afloat by donating to
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: his GoFundMe. We'll have that linked in the episode description.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: We wish Justin in him all the luck in the
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: world and their pursuit of civil litigation. I mean, obviously
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: nothing could ever make up the time for our vel.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: But however, during the interview, Larvell expressed a small measure
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: of revenge that he had on Nikki and someone from
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the seventy seventh Precinct That felt pretty cathartic.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: It was funny. By after I got locked up, Nicky
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: started dating a guy that woke to seventy seven Precinct
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: as a cop. Guess what of a day, little his
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: RoboCop asked, though, nick you sent me a neckad picture
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: on my phone. Oh bunny boy, Yeah, I hope you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: hit his shit. And I also got a letter from
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: her telling me she's gonna leave him to come back
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to me. Oh man, but you know what, I don't
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: want to ask back. I ain't even want to steak
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: ass neckert picture. She could have kept that shit.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And with that we go to closing arguments where I'm
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: just going to express my gratitude to Rvel and Justin
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: as well as to Jason and the team for letting
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: me do this, and then I'm going to lock it
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: up and listen to anything else. Justin and Rvel have
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Everybody says, what would an innocent man say? A menisin,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: you'd scream to the rooftop, im menison, I didn't do it,
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: and then people on that jury that think this is
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: what I would do if I didn't do Rvel Marshall
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: did what everybody says that they would do, even though
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: they don't have an iota of what it is like
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: to be interrogated and arrested and prosecuted. Right, most people
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: in this country don't. They don't know. I see I do.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: I've been I've had the police come to try to
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: interrogate me, and they have a very good method to
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: make you feel like they know something about you when
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: they don't, the psychological games that they play. But see,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: he withstood all of the psychological games. He never admitted
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: he committed the crime. He said he was innocent from
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: the very beginning, had an alibi from the very beginning
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: was in court, and when his lawyer wouldn't advocate for him,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: he advocated for himself. He does exactly what everybody said
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: that they would do, which is they would tell everybody
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: I'm innocent, tell him where I am. Still gets convicted,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: And the worst part about it is he's undermined by
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: the prosecutor and it's not just their job to get
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: a conviction. They have a duty of candor to the
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: court and fairness to the accused. That didn't happen here,
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: whether it was because the prosecutors fault himself or the
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: cops fault, they cheated every chance that they got. Is
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: we know this now because of physical evidence that they
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: had to frame him in order to get him arrested
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: and then convicted, and they had to coach these witnesses
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: to take it all away to the end, to the
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: finish line. He does, though, what everybody says they would do,
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: which is repeatedly say he innocent, and every chance he got,
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: even when he was told not to do it, he
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  Speaker 5: did it. And he was blasted by the judge in
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  Speaker 5: front of the jury said he's not credible in front
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  Speaker 5: of the jury.
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  Speaker 1: What would y'all have done in my situation. Would y'all
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  Speaker 1: would is still quiet? Did the time or fight to
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  Speaker 1: prove you Editus, but you know it could be done.
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  Speaker 1: Let other people that really out there killing people be
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  Speaker 1: home so they could kill more people, or ask that
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  Speaker 1: you put them people away and let the edocon man out.
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  Speaker 1: Would y'all want them cops to still be workome to y'all,
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  Speaker 1: communities of the judges and the da I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: they should have a job anymore, none of them because
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  Speaker 1: they no good. I hope y'all feel the same way
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  Speaker 1: I do. And like I said, I'm edocent. Still I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna always fame. This is because I know how you
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  Speaker 1: do that like that. I never killed nobody in my
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  Speaker 1: life and I'm not ashamed to sit. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: kill him. I'm just a god that will fight for
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  Speaker 1: his rights.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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