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- 0:01Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl.
- 0:08Speaker 2: Hi everyone, exciting news. Okay, my second annual I Choose
- 0:14Speaker 2: Me Live Summit Women's empowerment event is coming to Los
- 0:19Speaker 2: Angeles on Saturday, April twenty fifth, and I want.
- 0:23Speaker 1: You to be there.
- 0:24Speaker 2: The I Choose Me movement began as three little words
- 0:28Speaker 2: on Beverly Hills nine O two one oh in nineteen
- 0:30Speaker 2: ninety five, but it has evolved into something so much
- 0:34Speaker 2: more than that. A revolution, you guys. It's a message
- 0:39Speaker 2: I feel so passionate about. I wrote the book on it.
- 0:43Speaker 2: So please join me for this one day party shining
- 0:47Speaker 2: a light on self care and self love. Our panelists
- 0:50Speaker 2: are incredible. This year we have Amanda Klutes, Bethany Joy Lenz,
- 0:56Speaker 2: Genie My, Gabby Reese, Sarah Shawhee, my dear friend, Gabrielle Carterris,
- 1:02Speaker 2: and this year we're going to be doing a Mannal
- 1:06Speaker 2: see what I did there man panel. We have Caromo
- 1:09Speaker 2: and Cameron Matheson and more surprises. So please come for
- 1:14Speaker 2: the powerful conversations, stay for lunch and cocktails, make a
- 1:19Speaker 2: commitment to choose yourself right here in sunny California. It's
- 1:25Speaker 2: going to be amazing. Tickets are on sale now at
- 1:28Speaker 2: veeps dot com. That's veeps dot com, and all of
- 1:34Speaker 2: the info will be in our show notes. Thank you
- 1:37Speaker 2: so much. Sally Pressman, known for playing the seriously fun
- 1:42Speaker 2: Roxy LeBlanc in the long running series Armywives, has created
- 1:46Speaker 2: the coolest side hustle in beauty and fashion influencing. It's
- 1:51Speaker 2: like having a girlfriend in your pocket, trying an abundance
- 1:54Speaker 2: of clean products and brands so you don't have to.
- 1:57Speaker 2: I asked if we could take advantage of Sally's recent search,
- 2:00Speaker 2: so let's jump back in. How do you put boundaries
- 2:03Speaker 2: around letting people know everything about you?
- 2:06Speaker 3: That's super important? And again I need to hear your
- 2:10Speaker 3: answer on that. I don't film everything. I film what
- 2:17Speaker 3: I think is relatable that we're all going through. While
- 2:21Speaker 3: respecting my husband's privacy because he's a very private person.
- 2:27Speaker 3: All of this social media is much to his chagrin.
- 2:31Speaker 3: Oh really for sure, but he I think he sees
- 2:35Speaker 3: it as a business, but also as me exercising my
- 2:40Speaker 3: like actor bone.
- 2:42Speaker 2: Yeah my actor it's not bones, but your actor bones.
- 2:46Speaker 3: Yeah, like my itch, I'm like itching that actor thing.
- 2:51Speaker 3: Also respecting my kids privacy, my son is not on
- 2:55Speaker 3: my Instagram very much. He's twelve. He's also very private,
- 2:59Speaker 3: and he's like, I do not want it, Like if
- 3:01Speaker 3: I take a picture of him, he's like, if I
- 3:03Speaker 3: just take it for me, he's like, don't have that?
- 3:05Speaker 2: Id it a million times?
- 3:07Speaker 3: Totally, totally, Whereas my daughter at seven is like, I'm
- 3:11Speaker 3: an open bub but that will come to an end,
- 3:14Speaker 3: I'm sure very soon. And David is also like not
- 3:19Speaker 3: everything of them so and then, you know, I try
- 3:25Speaker 3: to keep it very real and authentic and not like
- 3:28Speaker 3: my life is a pink bubble and everything's perfect. But
- 3:32Speaker 3: I also I'm not going to get on there and
- 3:34Speaker 3: be like I'm in the worst effing mood right now.
- 3:38Speaker 3: I hate everyone. I look in the mirror and I
- 3:40Speaker 3: hate myself.
- 3:41Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want this post. Oh you do?
- 3:43Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, maybe you need to be at it do it?
- 3:47Speaker 3: Yeah?
- 3:48Speaker 2: I like it Okay, brutal honesty.
- 3:51Speaker 3: Yes, and like, I mean I have those moments for sure,
- 3:55Speaker 3: we all do. I know, maybe I do need to
- 3:58Speaker 3: do it. Okay, Well, then I am an open book
- 4:01Speaker 3: and I'm sharing everything now.
- 4:02Speaker 2: Thanks to Jenny, you are very interested in taking care
- 4:07Speaker 2: of your physical body. Yeah, and your health. Yes, you
- 4:11Speaker 2: love the Tracy Anderson Method. I've always been curious. I've
- 4:15Speaker 2: lived in la forever and it's been around me forever,
- 4:18Speaker 2: but I've never really dove into it. Tell us all
- 4:22Speaker 2: about the Tracy Anderson Method and why you love it.
- 4:25Speaker 3: Okay, So I've been doing Tracy for twenty years, which
- 4:30Speaker 3: is crazy because I'm twenty five. So I started at
- 4:33Speaker 3: the age of five. That's strange.
- 4:37Speaker 2: I just did the math.
- 4:38Speaker 1: I'm really slow with you.
- 4:39Speaker 3: I know I was waiting. I was waiting for the
- 4:41Speaker 3: real life numbers.
- 4:43Speaker 2: No. When somebody says numbers, I I'm like, bye.
- 4:46Speaker 1: You fly, lie pretty Bertie.
- 4:48Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like out, You're totally out. I'm not twenty five,
- 4:52Speaker 3: I'm twenty seven. I've been doing it for twenty years,
- 4:57Speaker 3: almost twenty years. I think there is no other workout
- 5:02Speaker 3: that strengthens your body as a woman. It is specifically
- 5:09Speaker 3: for women. And I think we've lived so long where
- 5:14Speaker 3: all of our medical all of our workouts, all of
- 5:18Speaker 3: our nutrition, all of our medicine, it's all by men
- 5:23Speaker 3: for men, slightly altered for women, and it's just not
- 5:28Speaker 3: We're not the same as men at all. And this
- 5:33Speaker 3: is a workout that's by a woman for women. She
- 5:37Speaker 3: developed it after she had her baby, first baby at
- 5:40Speaker 3: She had her first baby at twenty one, and she
- 5:43Speaker 3: was like, how do I get this? How do I
- 5:44Speaker 3: get my body back? I also was a dancer, but
- 5:48Speaker 3: this is Tracy. I was a dancer, but I never
- 5:50Speaker 3: had that dancer body. And she came up with the idea,
- 5:56Speaker 3: if bodybuilders can build their muscles out, can I reverse
- 6:01Speaker 3: it in some way and build the muscles in because
- 6:04Speaker 3: women want small but strong muscles. That's the foundation of
- 6:11Speaker 3: the whole workout. But it's really finding balance in your
- 6:15Speaker 3: body where there's imbalance. So for example, if you're just
- 6:19Speaker 3: on the treadmill every day or you're running, that might
- 6:22Speaker 3: be great, but it's like you have to think about
- 6:24Speaker 3: the fact that your whole body is moving in one direction,
- 6:28Speaker 3: so nothing is happening for any of the muscles on
- 6:30Speaker 3: the sides or the back, all the other muscles, all
- 6:34Speaker 3: the other muscles, so this is all around.
- 6:37Speaker 2: Would you say it's a kin to pilates.
- 6:40Speaker 3: It's a kin. It's a kin. It's very similar in
- 6:43Speaker 3: terms of strengthening, strengthening and lengthening. It's definitely strengthening and
- 6:51Speaker 3: lengthening What I love about Tracy's method is that there
- 6:56Speaker 3: is this design element of it, like does the body
- 7:02Speaker 3: in the most flattering way for women? Like what supports women?
- 7:06Speaker 3: Like what do women want?
- 7:08Speaker 2: You know?
- 7:08Speaker 3: And everyone's body is different and everyone wants different things,
- 7:12Speaker 3: but there is this idea of like, you know, you
- 7:15Speaker 3: want the like kind of two lines of the abs,
- 7:19Speaker 3: but not necessarily like a six pack, and I'll take
- 7:23Speaker 3: You'll take any of it, right, any of it, I'll
- 7:25Speaker 3: take any of it. And the idea like kind of
- 7:27Speaker 3: defining a waste that comes in and that there are
- 7:31Speaker 3: ways that you can design the workout to do that.
- 7:36Speaker 2: So there's so much talk about weightlifting now for women,
- 7:39Speaker 2: especially women my age. Yes, yes, is there a weightlifting
- 7:43Speaker 2: component to it?
- 7:44Speaker 3: So this is a really interesting thing. Tracy was always
- 7:49Speaker 3: three pounds three pound hand weights, one and a half
- 7:53Speaker 3: pound ankle weights, so sometimes strategically two and a half added,
- 7:57Speaker 3: but really low, low, low weight. She's now gotten older
- 8:02Speaker 3: and she has now started bringing in much heavier weights.
- 8:06Speaker 3: So she has this new thing called the growth rings,
- 8:09Speaker 3: which are like these hand weights that are in increasingly
- 8:13Speaker 3: large numbers that she has a whole workout that she's
- 8:17Speaker 3: developed around that She has this other thing called the
- 8:20Speaker 3: pro staff, which is basically like the bench press thing.
- 8:23Speaker 3: It looks like that, but it's much lower weight and
- 8:26Speaker 3: how she designs it and works around it, so it's
- 8:30Speaker 3: weight training for women specifically.
- 8:33Speaker 1: I hope you're getting paid to be an influencer.
- 8:36Speaker 2: Of course I'm not.
- 8:39Speaker 3: But she and I have been friends for like twenty years,
- 8:42Speaker 3: and you're supporting at and I'm supporting, and you believe
- 8:45Speaker 3: in it. I believe in it.
- 8:47Speaker 1: I'm going to try.
- 8:47Speaker 2: I really want to try it. I don't want to
- 8:49Speaker 2: go to a class though.
- 8:50Speaker 3: Okay, So you can go online and you can stream
- 8:54Speaker 3: a class at any level, so beginner, intermediate, advance, try
- 8:58Speaker 3: a beginner. You can do it in comfort of your
- 9:01Speaker 3: own home. This is a beautiful space to do it,
- 9:03Speaker 3: but I don't know what the rest of your house
- 9:04Speaker 3: looks like. You can do it at home. You really
- 9:07Speaker 3: barely need any equipment, and you'll see, you'll see how
- 9:12Speaker 3: it feels, because it just feels good.
- 9:16Speaker 1: I'm that I'm in. It feels good, I'm ready.
- 9:19Speaker 3: Well, when we're texting each other about heated rivally and
- 9:22Speaker 3: also text me about tracing it, okay, okay, done, Okay.
- 9:24Speaker 2: Great, Okay, there are so many shoods and musts in skincare.
- 9:29Speaker 2: There's so many things that it's mind blowing. And then
- 9:32Speaker 2: you're like, I never mind, I just won't do any
- 9:34Speaker 2: of it.
- 9:35Speaker 3: I'm doing nothing. I'm washing water.
- 9:37Speaker 2: What do you think really works and what we really need?
- 9:42Speaker 3: Well, that changes depending on your age. I think what
- 9:48Speaker 3: I need to do right now versus what I needed
- 9:50Speaker 3: to do in my thirties is totally different. I think
- 9:55Speaker 3: I think a few things. I think clean skincare, as
- 9:58Speaker 3: you and I spoke about, think you have to. It's like,
- 10:03Speaker 3: do not settle for anything that isn't clean.
- 10:05Speaker 1: It's a no brainer.
- 10:06Speaker 3: It is a no brainer.
- 10:07Speaker 2: But are brands saying they're clean and they're not really clean? No, okay,
- 10:12Speaker 2: it is.
- 10:13Speaker 3: They're just not saying it. They just won't say we're
- 10:15Speaker 3: They just won't say we're clean.
- 10:16Speaker 1: That's how you know they're not.
- 10:17Speaker 3: They just won't say we're clean. And you can google
- 10:20Speaker 3: it before you buy something. Is blah blah blah clean. Yes,
- 10:23Speaker 3: you'll get a clear answer. Yes it is clean. No,
- 10:27Speaker 3: it is not so clean. Skincare, I think is the
- 10:30Speaker 3: biggest thing. It's the biggest difference that in what I
- 10:34Speaker 3: do now versus what I did in my teens or
- 10:37Speaker 3: early twenties. And that doesn't mean that you have to
- 10:39Speaker 3: spend a ton of money, because you know, there are
- 10:42Speaker 3: tons of brands out there, like Elf is very inexpensive
- 10:46Speaker 3: and it's clean. You don't need to spend tons of
- 10:49Speaker 3: money on it, but make sure it's clean. I think
- 10:53Speaker 3: as you get older, I think SPF is a non negotiable,
- 11:00Speaker 3: know because you're using your SPF eighty and I think
- 11:04Speaker 3: that's a non negotiable because not that there's anything wrong
- 11:08Speaker 3: with the sun. It's very good for you, yes, but
- 11:11Speaker 3: it ages you. There's no question it ages you in
- 11:16Speaker 3: many many ways.
- 11:24Speaker 2: Should we put it on our on our hands and
- 11:26Speaker 2: our chest, in our arms.
- 11:28Speaker 3: Yes, answer?
- 11:31Speaker 2: Or else?
- 11:31Speaker 3: Can I put it put it on your toenails? But
- 11:34Speaker 3: your hands and your neck are the first place to
- 11:37Speaker 3: show age. So slather those hands and the neck and
- 11:43Speaker 3: your disc latage or your dicolate.
- 11:46Speaker 2: I always say decote. I'm saying that's adorable.
- 11:51Speaker 1: It's not right. It'stage.
- 11:54Speaker 3: It's we're talking about. It's like there and it's very
- 11:58Speaker 3: thin and paid just like it's so thin. That's why
- 12:02Speaker 3: it's like it ages so fast, so SPF and then
- 12:08Speaker 3: you know, there are things like retinol and hyaluronic acid,
- 12:13Speaker 3: which I think you can bring in later, but like
- 12:17Speaker 3: for everyone, ubiquitously clean and SPF and man, you would
- 12:23Speaker 3: be shocked at how many people hate when you say SPF.
- 12:27Speaker 1: Why.
- 12:27Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. You'd have to ask them what
- 12:30Speaker 3: do you mean? Oh my god, they will rage at you.
- 12:33Speaker 3: What that SPF? Oh have you not experienced that?
- 12:37Speaker 2: No?
- 12:37Speaker 3: Oh, they're like, SPF is poison. SPF is poison. You
- 12:42Speaker 3: don't need SPF.
- 12:43Speaker 2: The sun is healthy, well it is, but you don't
- 12:47Speaker 2: need too much of the sun.
- 12:49Speaker 3: I agree with you.
- 12:50Speaker 2: The data is saying that you need like twenty to
- 12:53Speaker 2: thirty minutes of just being in natural sunlight.
- 12:55Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I agree with you. But you talk about
- 12:59Speaker 3: SPF and man, you invite the haters.
- 13:02Speaker 2: You know what I don't.
- 13:03Speaker 1: It's hard.
- 13:03Speaker 2: I don't want to go for twenty or thirty minutes
- 13:06Speaker 2: in the sun at my stage because.
- 13:08Speaker 3: Not no, you're but you're very fair, right, yeah, you're
- 13:11Speaker 3: very fair. Like that'll crispy right up and age me.
- 13:16Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 13:16Speaker 3: I mean, look, when you see Asian women outside in
- 13:24Speaker 3: like the world, they cover up and there is there
- 13:28Speaker 3: is no group that looks younger and more beautiful and
- 13:34Speaker 3: more pristine than Asian women. And it's because they understand
- 13:39Speaker 3: the aging properties of being in the sun and spending
- 13:41Speaker 3: too much time in the sun. They don't do it,
- 13:44Speaker 3: you know. And now like Korean beauty is this big
- 13:47Speaker 3: thing that we are all like, oh my god, Korean beauty.
- 13:50Speaker 2: They know everything. They know.
- 13:52Speaker 3: One thing that they know is that you don't go
- 13:54Speaker 3: out in the sun like you just don't. You're not like, oh, like, oh,
- 13:58Speaker 3: base tan a thing.
- 14:01Speaker 1: No, you talk to my daughter for me. Please.
- 14:04Speaker 3: No, You're doing such a great job with her. I
- 14:06Speaker 3: will she will be like.
- 14:07Speaker 2: I'm faltering on the on the not tanning?
- 14:11Speaker 3: Do they do like tanning? Do they do tanning outside?
- 14:13Speaker 2: Or they do She's she lives by the beach, so
- 14:16Speaker 2: she's always outside at the beach. She's the baby and
- 14:19Speaker 2: she's gonna do what she wants. Yeah, I get it.
- 14:23Speaker 2: I was the baby you were. How do you feel
- 14:25Speaker 2: about red light masks? Do you use them?
- 14:28Speaker 1: And do they work?
- 14:32Speaker 3: I think there's so it's okay. I think it's kind
- 14:35Speaker 3: of like buying sushi at seven to eleven versus going
- 14:42Speaker 3: to sushi at like a you know, reputable place. I
- 14:47Speaker 3: think there are red light masks that do nothing and
- 14:52Speaker 3: probably have a detrimental effect. I think there are red
- 14:58Speaker 3: light masks that are very good. I think I think
- 15:05Speaker 3: Omnilux is a brand that's very, very good and very
- 15:08Speaker 3: trumnluxe Omniluxe. I think to get the real benefits of
- 15:15Speaker 3: red light, you need one of those expensive red light.
- 15:19Speaker 2: Panels like that you put over you like.
- 15:22Speaker 3: I think you put it like in your room, and
- 15:25Speaker 3: you like have it here, like in a corner of
- 15:27Speaker 3: a room, and you like sit in front of it,
- 15:29Speaker 3: and it's like a panel of like red lights. And
- 15:31Speaker 3: I think that's good. I think if you go get
- 15:34Speaker 3: a facial and they have the like red light pro technology,
- 15:39Speaker 3: that's good. But I kind of feel like all of
- 15:42Speaker 3: us are using these things on our faces and paying
- 15:44Speaker 3: hundreds of dollars, and like, take a video of yourself
- 15:48Speaker 3: on day one and then I'll even give you twenty
- 15:51Speaker 3: one days. Do a video every day, and like on
- 15:54Speaker 3: day twenty one, are you like WHOA? Probably not.
- 15:59Speaker 1: That's just pointing.
- 16:00Speaker 3: I know, do you use one?
- 16:02Speaker 2: I have one, don't use it. I have every gadget
- 16:04Speaker 2: under the sun, and I know the thing is they
- 16:06Speaker 2: just sit in a drawer.
- 16:07Speaker 1: I don't use them.
- 16:08Speaker 3: Because what's your favorite gadget? What one gadget? Do you believe?
- 16:12Speaker 3: I know whoa I know, I know I know.
- 16:17Speaker 2: A favorite gadget right now?
- 16:19Speaker 3: Right now? It's always of the moment.
- 16:22Speaker 2: The lifting electro current one.
- 16:25Speaker 3: Okay, it's do you remember what it's called?
- 16:28Speaker 1: Nope?
- 16:29Speaker 3: Okay, well good because there are many brands that sent
- 16:32Speaker 3: you theirs and they now think that they're they're talking
- 16:35Speaker 3: about you. Are you're the one she's talking about?
- 16:37Speaker 1: I wish I could remember. I'm so close.
- 16:40Speaker 3: But you feel like it gives like a good lift.
- 16:42Speaker 2: Yeah, like you can see one side lifts. But how
- 16:45Speaker 2: long does it stay? I don't know.
- 16:47Speaker 3: And but for us it's like if you're coming and
- 16:50Speaker 3: doing your podcast, or you're shooting something on camera, or
- 16:53Speaker 3: you're doing whatever, you just need that temporate you like
- 16:56Speaker 3: that temporary lift feels great?
- 16:58Speaker 1: But also who's got the time?
- 17:00Speaker 3: I hear you.
- 17:01Speaker 2: You know what I love is the new face. It's
- 17:05Speaker 2: like a little cold, like a wand and it's a
- 17:07Speaker 2: deep puffer.
- 17:08Speaker 3: Oh you like that?
- 17:09Speaker 1: I do like?
- 17:09Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have it so cold? It also has heat, Okay,
- 17:15Speaker 2: I don't really know what that would be for, but
- 17:16Speaker 2: it gets so cold and you just press it under your.
- 17:19Speaker 1: Deep puff to deep huffer.
- 17:21Speaker 3: Okay, great, actually works. Okay, I'm going to look into
- 17:23Speaker 3: that hot tip. Great, love it.
- 17:25Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I just do want to ask you
- 17:28Speaker 2: if you're going to go on a quick weekend get away, Yeah,
- 17:30Speaker 2: and you pack your skincare.
- 17:32Speaker 1: What do you pack?
- 17:33Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, just like you're trying to just be
- 17:36Speaker 3: like just super like Yeah, it's like it's super basic.
- 17:40Speaker 3: Definitely a cleanser. I have one cleanserl or oil. Oh,
- 17:47Speaker 3: that's a great question. I might pack an oil for
- 17:51Speaker 3: morning and then a gel for night because I have
- 17:55Speaker 3: this one gel cleanser that takes off all of my
- 17:58Speaker 3: makeup and I don't want to What I don't want
- 18:00Speaker 3: to do in a week in a way is have
- 18:02Speaker 3: like my makeup remover and any wipes and like blah
- 18:04Speaker 3: blah blah. So I have my one cleanser and then
- 18:07Speaker 3: I'll probably use the oil as a second cleanse that night.
- 18:11Speaker 3: So I'll have my oil cleanser and my jel cleanser
- 18:14Speaker 3: and then I will do definitely a serum. Definitely a
- 18:19Speaker 3: tightening tightening serum. I will do a night I cream
- 18:26Speaker 3: and a day I cream.
- 18:27Speaker 2: Oh whoas we have to have two.
- 18:30Speaker 3: I really love a retinal I cream at night. Okay,
- 18:33Speaker 3: I think that is like for anti agent, for the
- 18:37Speaker 3: fine lines and wrinkles, for the puffing, for the whole thing.
- 18:40Speaker 3: When I use a retinal I cream at night, I
- 18:42Speaker 3: feel like in the morning it's like it's like a
- 18:45Speaker 3: little lifted and glowy. So I like that. But you
- 18:48Speaker 3: can't use the retinal during the day, So I have
- 18:50Speaker 3: a night I cream and a day I cream. I
- 18:53Speaker 3: probably will have. I'll either it depends on how rushed
- 18:59Speaker 3: I am, how much my husband is rushing me out
- 19:01Speaker 3: the door to pack this bag. But I will either
- 19:03Speaker 3: have one moisturizer or I'll do like a heavier night
- 19:08Speaker 3: moisturizer and then the light one and then an SPF
- 19:13Speaker 3: and a lip mask.
- 19:15Speaker 1: Yeah, something for the lips.
- 19:16Speaker 2: They need to be hydrated, need to at all times.
- 19:19Speaker 2: Do you do use any kind of neck specifically targeted
- 19:23Speaker 2: for the neck and chest.
- 19:24Speaker 3: When I do, it's always better. I notice it when
- 19:29Speaker 3: I use a neck and a neck and deck cream
- 19:34Speaker 3: a neck and deck cream, I notice a difference in it.
- 19:38Speaker 3: But if I'm in a pinch, I'll just everything just
- 19:41Speaker 3: goes all the way yeah, just goes all the way down.
- 19:43Speaker 1: And then on the hands.
- 19:44Speaker 3: Yeah, always on the hands, Always on the hands, or
- 19:47Speaker 3: probably in my purse that I have will be a
- 19:50Speaker 3: hand cream.
- 19:53Speaker 2: I love all this girl talk, so much fun, so
- 19:55Speaker 2: much fun. Thank you Sally for coming on the podcast,
- 19:58Speaker 2: and you can follow Sally Pressman at Sally p R.
- 20:03Speaker 2: Eighty one.
- 20:04Speaker 3: Oh god, and the eighty one is not my birthday.
- 20:09Speaker 1: Amazing, Thank you you guys.
- 20:11Speaker 2: I'm very excited to share that my book I Choose
- 20:14Speaker 2: Me Chasing Joy, Finding Purpose and Embracing Reinvention is coming
- 20:20Speaker 2: April fourteenth, and it would mean the world to me
- 20:23Speaker 2: if you would pre order a copy or the audiobook
- 20:27Speaker 2: wherever you get your books. And yes, I am definitely
- 20:31Speaker 2: narrating the audiobook
- 20:32Speaker 1: So it's going to be so fun.