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Staying in the Game: Shannon Kane on Motherhood, Longevity, and Not Losing Yourself · Mommywood

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Mom. Welcome to Mommy Wood, the
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podcast where motherhood meets Hollywood.
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Real moms, real talk, no scripts.
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I'm your host Emily Bolt, and we are talking about the messy,
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funny and unfiltered side of being a mom in the entertainment
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industry. Oh boy.
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Today's episode is one of those conversations that really stays
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with you. I'm talking with Shannon Kane
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and after whose career you absolutely know.
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But what struck me most was the way she talked about this life.
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Shannon shared insights and said things so clearly and so
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honestly that I literally teared up a couple times because it
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felt like she was putting words to thoughts that so many of us
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carry quietly. We talk about longevity,
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motherhood, boundaries, and what it really means to keep going in
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this industry without losing yourself or your joy.
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This is one of those episodes where you'll just want to pause,
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rewind, and maybe even write down a quote or two.
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I know I did for sure. I am so grateful for this
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conversation and I know so many of you are going to feel deeply
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seen by it. So please enjoy.
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I know you will my amazing conversation with the incredibly
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talented, incredibly kind Shannon Kane.
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All right, Shannon Kane, I'm so excited to have you on Mommy
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Wood. I'm excited to be here.
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Thank you for having me, Emily. Of course.
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It's I'm so excited, I have so many questions for you, but for
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anybody who doesn't know you yet, what chapter of your career
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would you say you're in right now?
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And like, how does it feel different from earlier chapters?
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Of your wow, I'm starting. It off right?
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Going deep, Let's just jump in. That is an amazing question.
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I've never been asked that before.
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And you know, what that brings up for me is I just recently
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moved and I have a little office where I put up all of my
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accomplishments. And if you would have asked me
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before I moved in and put everything up, I would have felt
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like I'm still in the beginning stages.
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That's what it feels like as an actor.
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Sometimes it's like, you know, have I, what have I done?
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Right? Because you're on the constant
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hunt to get that, that next job or the next opportunity.
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You're rebranding and doing all these things where it feels
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like, man, I just started. But when I put everything up and
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stood back and looked, I thought, oh, what?
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Well, I, I guess I've done a couple things.
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I guess we're here, we're still here, we're still breathing.
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And so for me, I would say, I would say, I think that we're
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like midway. We're midway, We're midway.
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You know, I've had my beginning and where I was nice and green
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and now I'm to the point where it's like, yes, this is what I
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know, this is what I do. This is what I love.
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And a lot of the insecurities that I once had have now turned
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into, you know, it's not a matter of if for me anymore,
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it's just a matter of when that next that next opportunity
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comes. So.
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Yeah, that's nice. Do you feel like there's,
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there's much, there's a lot of relief in being able to settle
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into that because like you said, it's always what's next, what's
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next And kind of knowing that it's going to, does that like
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chill your like actor anxiety a little bit?
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Hell no, it doesn't. It doesn't.
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I haven't. That's one thing I've had from
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the beginning. I still haven't.
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And I doubt it will go anywhere. Something about what we do.
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It's so it's so it it it's so unpredictable.
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Yeah. And so there are things that I
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can do as a creator to keep myself busy in between times.
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But when it comes to that next gig, whatever that that is, I've
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heard a lot of people say that and I do feel that way as well.
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Like even though it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of
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when, sometimes when could be a year, it could be, you know, it
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could be a while. And especially being a parent,
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it, it does cause some stress and anxiety.
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And so we have a responsibility to keep ourselves busy, to
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maintain creating and to to just be able to have this unshakable
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faith in ourselves and just put everything for me, just put
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everything, all of what I have into the basket of creation.
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Yeah. Oh, I love that.
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Yeah. Having this unshakable faith in
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ourselves. I love that.
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Because you do have to be a bit, I mean, so faithful in yourself.
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I'm like, believe in yourself because obviously, who else?
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Right. But Speaking of as being a mom,
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can you share your son's name and age for us?
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My son's name is Diane and he's 9.
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He just turned 9A. Powerful name.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. He he was so nine years ago he
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came a month early, so I wasn't ready.
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It was a huge surprise. I had no idea.
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I always say that I had to fears in life pre child and that was
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death, the uncertainty of death. And the other thing was having a
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child because to me, I don't know, some women are born with
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that maternal instinct and they want kids their whole life.
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I wasn't one of them. And when my child started moving
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in my stomach, I cried. And my partner at the time was
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like, oh, you know, this is a beautiful moment.
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I was like, no, this is like crazy.
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Something is moving in there. It just, it scared me to the
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core. So he came early.
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It was a a huge surprise. And you know, he had some
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difficulties at birth, which was really difficult.
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Doctors didn't know if you would make it through.
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And he did that. He did.
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The doctor said to me that he is a miracle.
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You dodged a bullet. And science can't explain this.
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And so from that moment on, you know, Zion, his name goes back
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to the promised land, which also goes back to Africa.
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That's where we got his name from because we knew that his
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life would be promised. So Zion became the name for him.
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Where it's too early for me to start tearing up, I usually at
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least wait a few. That's so, that's so special.
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That's God. I cannot imagine that'd be so
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terrifying. Like it's scary already bringing
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somebody into this world, but having like those situations
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are, are life changing. Really.
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Yeah, absolutely. And like there was another thing
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that unpredictable is kind of a theme for my life, I guess.
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Because when he was born, I went in for a checkup.
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He wasn't really moving much. So I went in for a checkup.
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I had a midwife. I was expecting the home birth
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with the pulling, just like, you know, Lion King status, just
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holding him up to the world and birth in my beautiful baby in
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the tub. None of that happened.
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I went to the hospital nearby and they gave me a little stress
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test and they said we need to, we need to get him out now.
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I said what they were like, we need to do this right now.
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And so they wheeled me into the OR.
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And the last thing I'll add is they they did a process on him
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called cooling, which helped save, save his life.
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And that hospital that I went to just happened to be the only one
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in the entire county that was able to do that specific thing
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that saved his life, that procedure.
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So, yeah, it was such a, it was such a, it felt like it like it
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felt like destiny. There were so many moments of
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synchronicity where I was like, wow, OK, Lil Z, he was meant to
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be here. And he was like, mom, I'm here
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now, I'm coming my way, but I'm going to be there.
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So. Oh.
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Wow, Yeah, that's that's a lot. That's a lot to take to hand on.
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I'm sure that I don't know if if you were able, I mean, that's a
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lot to process in the moment. And obviously there's a lot
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going on for you in that moment too.
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So to think of like for me, I, my, my husband at the time,
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because we had not nearly the same situation, but but we had a
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scary situation and he processed it right there in the hospital.
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Like those days that we stayed and I had to like, I didn't, you
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know, you can't think of those things where you're like, well,
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now it's I'm a mom and I'm doing all of this.
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And then it takes a while. Was it a?
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I'm sure it still probably comes up for you, but was that like,
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were you able to process that or what was that like?
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It took it took years for me. It took years for me.
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Excuse me. And like you said, it does still
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come up, but it definitely it took it took a long time for me
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to be able to. It was like I had to handle it
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in phases because as women we are changed physically,
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mentally, spiritually, you name it, emotionally, all of these
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changes are happening to us. And then also accepting how this
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happened and also mourning all the things that that I thought
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that I was going to be able to do right.
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And so that was all a very long process for me.
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I would say it took, it took a few years for me to really just
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be able to. I think the biggest part of
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processing was just accepting and surrendering to the way that
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it was that that was going to be my story the way that it was
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going to be for me. Because everyone's process is
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different. It doesn't make us any better or
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worse than the than the, the mother next to us.
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We all have this gigantic sacrifice that we make in terms
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of our ourselves. And we are we are changed
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forever by it. And the most beautiful thing is,
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you know, he's he is the love of my life.
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It's the most amazing blessing. And it's so crazy that something
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so beautiful can come from such a a scary and intimidating
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process. Yeah, it is.
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It's it's a lot. You mentioned your partner at
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the time. Are you, do you have a partner
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now, the same partner or? I'm single mom in it.
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I have since he was 18 months. It's just been me and him.
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Yeah, yeah. I imagine that that it's.
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A whole other layer, girl, it is a whole other layer.
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But you know what? This is what I, this is such an,
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a cool opportunity to be able to say this to you and to any other
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single Mamas out there, just mama's period.
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But especially single Mamas. One thing is, you know, there
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are so many different ways there are single mothers when the when
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the father is there, when the father is not there, when he's
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participating, when he's not participating, whatever that is
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for me being alone in the process.
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I remember recently, actually, I was on set and I spoke to a
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girlfriend or a Co worker who turned out to be a girlfriend of
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mine. And she had said something about
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how difficult it is for, for, for us to have to do this on her
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own. And she did also comment on the
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lack that she was experiencing from the other parent.
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And, and I said to her, in that moment, I said there was this,
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there was a moment that came from me where I don't know if it
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was just the way that I think, right?
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I'm, I, I have to find the silver lining, right?
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I have to make it work for me. And I realized like, wow, I get
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to raise him myself. Like, yeah, it comes with a lot
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of of challenges and it comes with a lot of friction at times
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and hardship. But at the end of the day, I get
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to, I get to raise him myself. And in that him and I have this
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significant amazing bond where we just know we just get it.
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We have a rhythm and it's just absolutely beautiful.
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So there's always a way to find the blessing and whatever we are
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given. And for me, I have actually come
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to really love it when at the beginning it was a gigantic
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fear, just like the birth itself.
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This was another lesson where it it, it turned into a space of,
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of a really loving and embracing that part of motherhood and it's
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just a really wonderful journey. Yeah, silver lining of being
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able to like you don't have to answer or ask.
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And there's also like even when it comes to disciplining or when
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it comes to rules or this or that, it's never a conversation.
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It's like it to choose. And so yes, it's challenging,
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but there are also things about it that I've learned to love.
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And it's really gotten, like I said, it's brought me and my son
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closer. You know, we've gone through the
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woods together and we've had to go through some things to get to
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where we are. And now it's such a beautiful
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space where we have this innate respect and communication.
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Everyone said he's such a light, he's so Disney.
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So that because I get to pour everything into my child and
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you're. Like, yes, thank you.
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I know, no. It is just wonderful though to
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be able. I know time is currency with
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children and he gets all my time, so I get to have that.
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I do get to have that, which is wonderful.
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Is now. Feel free to answer or not.
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Is is his dad still in the picture?
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Is there Co parenting or is? There's no Co parenting, but
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there are like they have, they're still in touch.
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Let's put it that way, like every weekend.
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He he lives out of state. So every weekend they'll be able
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to talk and you know, they're still in touch.
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But as far as cope, as far as the parenting, that's that's
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something. Bless you.
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Yeah. Wow, Yeah.
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Thank you. Well, going back to the acting
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side of it a little bit more, when people hear like working
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actor, they which obviously I would call you a working actor,
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they picture one thing. But how would you say that
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you're? How does your day-to-day look
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right now? Wait, right now, I think it's
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because it's between Christmas and New Year's, I've just been
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able to be in mommy mode, right? So right now it's like we're
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going to the grocery store, kids let's, you know, let's make,
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let's get ready. We have family coming into town.
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We're just finding ways to stay busy and a lot of like creative
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projects. And I just get to really focus
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on mom until that new year comes.
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Once New Year comes, I'm constantly auditioning.
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I'm writing and not only am I auditioning for television and
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film, but also voiceover, which is also another passion of mine.
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So if I'm not on set, I am actively, I'm actively working
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to get the next job, right. And so, and that's a lot of
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time. Just because you see me on TV
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for a certain amount of time doesn't mean that I'm working
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every day all year. There are sometimes there's that
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downtime now before children when I had that downtime, I
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would just, I would maximize my time.
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I would be able to go here and do that and float here and float
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there and be able to be more available for jobs that pick up
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and go and leave. But I can't do that anymore.
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So now in in between my gigs, I'm home with Zion and doing my
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best to be able to be as present as as I can be in his childhood
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because I know these years are so formative.
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And he's 9. I'm halfway there.
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Pretty soon he's going to be like, mom, I'm going to go with
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my friends. Like, don't kiss me around my
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friends. Like, don't you don't want to be
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chopped liver. So now I'm so intentional about
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spending time getting out in nature, being creative.
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We he loves to draw, he loves music, he's a creative himself.
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And so we bounce off of each other.
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This kid go he he, he helps me with my lines when we have
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auditions. So.
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Like. Loves it.
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So it's just wonderful to be able to have that in common as
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well. Oh.
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That's so nice. Was there a time when early?
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Not even a moment, but a time. Obviously this career, like you
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said there, it looks like, you know, if you're on a show and
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you're working and people are like, oh, she's she's like she's
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got it. But like it's not linear.
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Like you're still, you still have breaks, you're still going
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for the next things. You're still, you know that.
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But what was it like? Was there a moment figuring out,
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realizing, like we all do at some point, that this career
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path is never linear like we might have thought it was?
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Going to be at some. Point and once you found that
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out, how did it change how you approached your career?
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And like you said, your your writing like did that inform?
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I would say so. I would definitely say so like,
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like, you know, especially with having a child, that consistency
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is everything and it's not, it's not going to come to us.
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Sometimes we pour in so much more than we'll ever get back in
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this career. And so that's a hard one.
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That's a hard pill to swallow. But I know this is one thing
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that from early on, something that I knew that I had to to do.
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Storytelling is my number one passion.
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And if I if I can't do that, then I feel like a caged bird.
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And so there were some changes. I would say that writing was one
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of the things that I was like, oh, OK, There has to be some
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other ways in between time for me to be able to #1 make money
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and #2 keep my creative ball rolling.
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Because if that's not happening for me, I start to get down in
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the dumps. It can become kind of depressing
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at time when you're not able to utilize the muscle that you
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train so often. And so what's interesting is one
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of my inspirations who's really amazing at creating community
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and staying busy and being the the ultimate creator is Tiffany
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Tiffany Ivan Cox. I was just going to say I was
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messaging her earlier and I was like, I need some how to tell
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you girl. Yes, she has it.
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She's also, you know, from my personality type is I'm more
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introspective and not as social. I'm really not.
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I used to have social anxiety. Even just being around a lot of
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people. Being an actress was different
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for me because I'm able to step into someone else's shoes and it
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kind of gives me that comfort for me to really to to be
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comfortable in my skin or whatever skin I get to put on
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that day. But Shannon, Shannon, like I
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don't often do podcasts. I don't often have that tool
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like Tiff has it. She was born with it.
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She was like you, this, you that.
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She was the first one. Just connect all this Ladera
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ladies. She just has this wonderful
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gift. And whenever I'm around her, I'm
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so inspired by that. And so I do sometimes sit and I
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have to recalibrate and think, what are the ways that I'm
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getting in my own way? How can I open up?
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And even a small way today that's going to take me further
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out of my shell. While still honoring who I am
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because I know I'm not just going to be somebody different.
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But what are those small ways that I can do that?
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Because I think that's really important.
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I I've made the mistake in the past to be such an artist artist
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that I forget about the business side of things.
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I forget about the social side of things like the other
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obligations for me that feel like obligations for some
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people, they're like wonderful opportunities.
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And for me, I'm like, I got to, I got to do that.
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We got to go on the carpet interview with the Yeah.
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I definitely relate to you more on that.
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But yeah, the whole and business like we have to wear so many
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hats. Absolutely, yeah.
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Easy. And especially now with self
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tapes, which like, don't get me wrong, I thank God for self
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tapes, but it is also like, OK, I mean now we it's like second
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nature now. But yeah, and I have to do
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lighting and do all this and I'm like, I just want to act.
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And it's like, well, that's not really.
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Yeah, yes. Anybody Eddie more Is there a a
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piece of advice that you got early on that now you're like,
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oh, that was actually kind of terrible advice?
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Terrible. Advice yeah, like you hear that,
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like you had heard and now you're like, oh actually maybe
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you didn't follow it and you're like, yeah, that was bad advice.
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Or because I always think of I'll share like when people are
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like, if you think that you could like doing anything else
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besides acting, do that and I'm like, well.
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I I do, I mean, I like acting best like I could.
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We're all actors. We're obviously all interested
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in so many things. We're curious, creative people.
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So I always think that's, I understand where that comes
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from. But at the same time, I'm like,
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maybe we shouldn't tell young people that we should word it
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differently or something. But like, yeah, just advice.
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So you're like, people don't need to hear that.
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Or maybe it wasn't the best advice.
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Or, you know, I would say, I would say I honestly, I go back
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to like the first thing that came to me when you asked, when
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you, when you asked this question was our, our, our
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physical appearance. I think a lot of people are so
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hell bent on what you need to look like and, and how you need
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to show up and the. And yeah, I mean, I get that to
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an extent. You know, like you said, we're
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kind of like the CEO's of our own company and we do have a
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brand upkeep, but ultimately I don't know.
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And I, and I, this is just for me.
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I, I think that there is, especially as women, there's a
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lot of pressure in terms of like being a certain weight, being a
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certain this looking a certain way, wearing certain clothes.
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And it's just like, fuck that. Excuse my language, but I'm
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going to show up as me until I need to transition into to be
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this next person for whatever project or story I get to tell,
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I'm going to show up as me. And if that's a problem, it's
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just not for me. So I would really like women to
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feel more comfortable in their skin and be able to show up
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authentically as themselves without so much insecurity about
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how will be received. Because ultimately it's not
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whether we're good enough or this or, you know, this or that.
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It's it's about whether we're honest enough with whatever
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story we get to tell. It's not about good or bad for
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me, right? And art, just like any art on a
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wall somewhere in a gallery or in a museum, it's subjective.
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Some people will love you and some people will hate you.
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It's not up to you to absorb that.
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So I think showing up authentically is so, so
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important. I think it's paramount when it
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comes to this. And when we're able to really
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embrace ourselves, we can shed the expectations of so, so much
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BS that comes our way in terms of how they think that we need
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to be. Yeah.
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And I feel like, did you feel like that?
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Obviously that kind of comes with age as well as like, you
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know, knowing yourself better and being able to be like,
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finally, just like this is who I am.
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And hopefully we get more and more towards that as we age and
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hopefully happens for younger people earlier.
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But but also being a mom, I feel like for me it did that.
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Did that help shift that as well?
25:17
Because obviously, like you said earlier, our bodies definitely
25:21
change our everything changes. Did that.
25:26
Did that also. Shift that perspective, I think
25:33
definitely. But that was also a process,
25:36
right? Because it took a while to love
25:37
myself again physically after having a baby.
25:41
And, and I also didn't have, you know, I didn't have, it was just
25:47
me. It was just me, you know, I for
25:49
18 months, I had my partner, but there wasn't a lot of sometimes
25:53
you need that validation or sometimes you be like, hey,
25:55
baby, you look great today. I didn't have that.
25:57
It was just like, here I am, you know, and who am I?
26:02
And so I, I think it took a while for me.
26:04
It was almost like a rebirth into myself.
26:07
But I do see that the unconditional love that I get
26:10
from my child and the way that he looks at me, no matter what I
26:13
look like, I find that to be most important.
26:17
And so the love that he has for me serves as a reflection, as a
26:22
mirror. And I get to also reflect that
26:24
back to myself, which I think is absolutely beautiful.
26:26
So I do think that that helped. That helped in terms of my self
26:32
esteem, myself, confidence for sure.
26:35
And being able to just say, you know what, there's so much
26:38
mental warfare up into a point where you just say stop, like
26:41
I'm done, I'm done. It's tiring me out.
26:44
I'm just going to love me for me and whoever doesn't, fine, I
26:48
don't need, I don't need that. I don't need that validation
26:51
anymore. Yeah, so.
26:53
Yeah, Emma, Emma Thompson, I think she was in an interview
26:59
and she was like, it's just exhausting.
27:01
It's just like, it's so boring. It's exhausting to like for
27:05
women to be like so caught up in our appearance, like this is
27:09
just, it's just what we get. And but I mean of course, easier
27:14
said than done sometimes. There's.
27:17
Still vanity in being a woman and being an actor.
27:21
Like, it's easier said than done for sure, but when we think of
27:26
like our parents or, you know, mentors or whoever we look up to
27:31
when we talk about them, we're not like, they got a banging
27:35
body. Exactly, exactly.
27:39
And that also comes with age 2. We with with age, hopefully with
27:43
maturity comes depth, right, exactly.
27:47
With maturity comes that depth. And it's a double whammy because
27:52
society serves us that just as women and then we get to be in
27:56
front of people and we get to be in the public eye on top of
27:59
that. So it is a double whammy.
28:01
There's so much power and letting go of that because it is
28:05
a decision. It's a decision to relieve
28:07
ourselves from that exhaustion. And whatever comes of it, I find
28:14
when you're embraced, when you get to be your authentic self
28:16
and you're embraced because of that, then that's where you can
28:20
you can reach more. And I know as an actress, my one
28:25
of my goals and in storytelling is to be able to reach, to be
28:29
able to reach and be able to build that bridge of empathy for
28:33
people, to be moved, for people to relate and to identify.
28:37
And not everyone is perfect. Nobody is, as a matter of fact.
28:41
So it's wonderful for us to be able to accept our our
28:44
imperfections. Talking about how you know
28:47
you've you were born a storyteller, like this is what
28:51
you've always wanted to do. And you're from Michigan?
28:54
Yes. Yes, yes.
28:56
Did you get that support from from like your your parents or
29:04
your upbringing? Was it nourished or was it
29:08
something you had to kind of break off to do?
29:13
Because, you know, not everyone has support going into this.
29:21
Right. Yeah.
29:22
I don't know if I would quite call it like support.
29:27
Like, you know, I had a single mother upbringing as well and I
29:32
didn't meet my father until my 20s.
29:34
And growing up, my mother was a huge movie buff.
29:40
Like I remember she would get Premiere magazine and I remember
29:42
filling out the Academy Award poster, like who was going to
29:45
win what? And I didn't even watch half
29:46
these movies, but I just wanted to be included.
29:48
I remember staying up late and watching The Princess Bride,
29:50
which is the first movie that like the first like adult level
29:54
movie that I got to watch and I got to stay up all night and do
29:57
it. And it was just such a highlight
29:59
of the connection between me and my mother.
30:02
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
30:03
It's a good one. So I think that it, it helped
30:09
connect me and my mom entertainment in a lot of ways.
30:12
But then once I actually tasted it and I began acting, I
30:17
realized for me, it was like a form of therapy.
30:20
It was a form to be heard when I didn't really feel heard
30:23
throughout my entire life. I was also different.
30:25
I'm biracial, but the family that I was raised by was my
30:29
white side of the family, and I didn't meet my other side and so
30:32
much later in life. So I often felt ostracized and
30:35
different, not just because of the color of my skin, that's
30:38
one, but also because of the things that I was attracted to
30:41
and the things that I like were so different than what what I
30:45
was being raised with and around.
30:47
So it was a way for me to, yeah, like I said, be heard.
30:52
But there was a relief. There was a therapy and being
30:55
able to step in someone else's shoes, almost like I was giving
30:58
that to myself, that understanding and and that
31:01
permission for it to be OK. So yeah, I'd say I'd say that.
31:06
But yeah, early on, I just loved movies and me and my back, you
31:10
know, back then, it was like my mom was my bestie.
31:12
She was young when she had me, too.
31:14
So it was like that was a way for us to connect.
31:18
That's that's really beautiful. Now, is there anything like I
31:22
was talking about how, you know, obviously we, you know, being a
31:28
working actor and as is there something about being like a
31:35
series regular or recurring guest star that like people
31:38
misunderstand, Like I was saying, how you from an outside
31:44
perspective, it's like, oh, she can you know, the next job is
31:49
coming, like you can rest or your anxiety is lesson.
31:52
It is like Nope. Is there.
31:56
So I guess we've already touched on it a little bit, but is
31:58
there, but is there something else that like people
32:05
misunderstand about like once you're at a a certain level, at
32:11
least from the outside that we miss that other actors that are
32:16
not there? Yeah, yeah.
32:18
Understand. Absolutely.
32:20
Most people think you're rich. I'm not rich.
32:22
I'm not there Yeah, girl, listen, I'm do everything I can
32:26
to shuffling wear 10,000 hats. This is not Hollywood back in
32:30
the, you know, back in the 60s or the this is this is this is
32:34
new. This is different, right?
32:36
And we all know what it's like to be to be an actor in these in
32:42
this day and age. It's not what it used to be.
32:45
The opportunities are are few and far between and the
32:47
competition is even bigger. I don't know if you've noticed,
32:50
and I know I know myself, I have in my fellow actors that a lot
32:54
of times if you're up against a name, the name is going to get
32:56
that role because right now it's about making money and it's
33:00
about making sure that it's marketable and ABC.
33:03
So a lot of times I feel like, yeah, I get in the door for
33:07
great opportunities, but I'm not always the one to be considered
33:10
because I'm up against so much and that can become frustrating.
33:14
I think there is, there is this sort of mentality where people
33:19
think like, oh, you made it. Like when I go back home and
33:21
people are like, oh, you're in the movies and you must you got
33:24
it made. It's like, yeah, no, it's just
33:26
like any other job. I'm still working my way up.
33:28
Like I said in the beginning, I'm just in the middle.
33:31
Yeah, right. So I think it's there are a lot
33:35
of misconceptions as it pertains to that.
33:37
A lot of misconceptions. And now it seems like it's
33:42
really difficult to honestly make a living as a working actor
33:45
unless you are #1 and that is your job or that is your
33:49
project. Well, cuz you can not as easy.
33:52
Yeah, you can. You can see how many people now
33:55
we've we have been seeing the trickle down effect for so long,
33:59
but it's now it's even like so many like famous famous like
34:04
people stars doing commercials. Yes.
34:08
And and then once there's a show, they're usually also the
34:13
producer. Or exactly.
34:15
Yeah, yeah. And as you start to work more,
34:19
you have more of a team to pay. You got your agent, You got your
34:22
manager. You think that you're getting
34:23
paid this big check, and then you get it in the mail.
34:24
You're like, all right, you know, what's the next episode?
34:30
I'm always like take it out ahead of time.
34:32
I don't want. To see, I don't take it out now,
34:36
don't show me because that's just going to make me feel bad
34:40
about myself. So, you know, and, and that's
34:42
very stressful, especially as a single mother because I am not
34:45
able to take all the jobs and go all the places right now,
34:49
especially with the age of my child.
34:50
I can't get up and go move somewhere for and just take my
34:53
kid out of school and up, you know, uproot his entire life.
34:58
So now, you know, the Pickens are slimmer.
35:00
And I think that is a big misconception.
35:04
Yeah, 'cause I'm sure you're, you're, Yeah.
35:10
What you choose to work on has has changed so much even since
35:16
he was born, I'm sure. Well, I used to have the luxury
35:21
of just like jumping on like little things here.
35:23
If it doesn't pay much, it doesn't matter.
35:24
I'll just jump and do that now. I have to be very selective
35:28
about the jobs that I take because it's going to have to be
35:31
worth it for me. Like shooting, even shooting
35:34
reasonable. Doubt.
35:34
We're shooting in Atlanta. I don't know.
35:35
In Season 2, when I worked all that time, I was away from my
35:38
child for 4 1/2 months. I had applied my mom in.
35:41
I was just going to ask, how did that work?
35:43
So your mom stayed with your son and then that's a long time to.
35:49
That's a long time when you go back and your child has grown.
35:53
It's heartbreaking. I was like, Oh my, it was
35:55
heartbreaking. It was heartbreaking.
35:58
And so I know that there are these sacrifices, but you know,
36:03
there, I remember there was sometimes where I got really
36:05
down about that specifically, but I was also working with some
36:08
really intense subject matter in that season.
36:11
But there was this intimacy coach that came on.
36:16
Was she the intimacy? No, she was the mental health.
36:18
They had brought in a mental health professional for, for
36:21
myself and for the people who were witnessing my scenes
36:24
because it was so sensitive. And she was in the car and she
36:30
was like, hey, you know. And I had told her that it was
36:32
difficult for me to be away from my son for so long, right?
36:35
And I said, you know, it gets harder day by day.
36:38
And at this time, he actually got really sick.
36:40
My mom called me and told me he got pneumonia.
36:43
And I was kind of freaked out, right?
36:45
I was freaked out. And I had to go to work because
36:47
the show doesn't stop for anybody.
36:49
So I go to work that day and I get through and I get back in
36:52
the van to get shuttled back to base camp.
36:54
And she says to me, you know, it's really important that your
36:59
kid sees you living your dreams. And I said, wow.
37:05
And I never thought about it that way.
37:07
I never thought about how important it is for him to see
37:11
me truly go for what I what I'm passionate about and feed my
37:18
passions and do the things that make me happy so I can be even a
37:21
better mother and be happier for him and set an example.
37:24
He he's so proud to see the work that I've done.
37:28
Not that he's watching, you know, the shows, but he knows
37:31
mom's on TV and he's so proud of that.
37:33
He even started taking acting classes in his school and he's
37:36
like, I want to be like mom, you know, that's a blessing and a
37:39
curse. But we'll get, that's another
37:40
conversation. But it is beautiful to see him
37:45
embrace that and to know like, oh, that it feels like a
37:49
sacrifice, you know, through this lens.
37:51
But if I maybe shift into this other lens, then maybe that's
37:54
another way that I can see the silver lining and allow that to
37:57
really feed me. Yeah.
37:59
Oh, man, yeah. That's, that's so hard to to be
38:05
gone. And and then I'm sure there are
38:08
the moments when you're working and obviously like you're happy
38:12
and excited and grateful to be working.
38:17
And then I'm sure there's a little bit of that like, oh God,
38:21
now I feel bad that I'm happy. And I'm so like all the
38:25
different, like so many things can be true at the same time,
38:30
where you can be having fun and living your dream and also be
38:35
devastated because you're missing fun like that.
38:37
And that that duality is like life.
38:40
That is life in so many ways. Our characters, the, the more
38:44
you, the more you explore acting, I, I see it as the art
38:50
of listening. And the more we explore that art
38:53
and we, the, we explore these characters, the more complex you
38:56
see that we really are. And that is so present in so
39:00
many spaces in our lives with all of the roles that we have
39:03
just as women, as sisters, as you know, daughters, wives,
39:07
mothers. That is so significant how
39:10
complex we are. And I think there's so much
39:13
power in giving ourselves permission to feel both.
39:16
Yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah.
39:24
When you first became a mom, first had had your son or even
39:29
before honestly, when you were pregnant, was there did you ever
39:33
deal with that like the fear around like disappearing once
39:40
you became a mom or and like how did you work through that?
39:44
Because that was one of my things which I feel like a lot
39:48
of actresses, not so much actors because they don't have to be
39:54
pregnant, but just the idea of putting it off till I get to a
40:02
certain place in my career, which might never happen.
40:07
But like if wanting to be a parent like that, fear of.
40:12
Oh, the business won't wait for me and I'll disappear once I
40:19
become a mom. Like how did you work through
40:23
that? Oh, when I became pregnant, it
40:28
was a surprise for me. It wasn't planned.
40:30
It happened and, you know, I felt like it was such a
40:35
whirlwind when it came to his birth, when it came to the
40:38
pregnancy, that I didn't even think about it until I was in
40:41
it. And then once I was in it, I was
40:43
like, you know, maybe I can just be behind the camera.
40:51
Yeah. There was this feeling of like,
40:56
and I don't know if it was mixed in with the, the, the the
40:58
sacrifice of being a mom, like, Oh, I chose this, you know, and
41:02
now my priorities are going to have to shift and all of that is
41:04
going to have to go in the back burner.
41:05
There was just like this feeling of like, well, I guess I just, I
41:09
just have to adapt. It almost felt like like I said
41:13
that rebirth. And so it took me some time to
41:17
be able to say no. And I think that was when I was
41:19
finding the strength, when I was finding myself in my confidence
41:21
back where I said, no, I can do this, I can do this.
41:24
And I've gotten this far. Sometimes as actors, we have to
41:29
speak to the to the the unless I'll just speak for the women.
41:32
We have to speak to the little girl who wanted to be where we
41:35
are now. And so often I'll say, you know,
41:40
like, what would baby Shannon say about this?
41:42
Like little Shana was my nickname.
41:44
Like, what would she think about?
41:46
About what I've accomplished? And there's always this feeling
41:50
of awe from her. And I, I often have to check in
41:54
with her. And that gives me the fire to
41:59
keep me going. That feeds my fire in terms of
42:02
all of my, my, my artistry. And so I think that it's really
42:10
important to be able to just check in with our little knees
42:14
to make sure that we're going to keep going so we don't get lost.
42:17
Because I am human and there are times when I'm like, I'm just,
42:19
I'm done. Like this is not for me.
42:22
It's too difficult, especially as a mom.
42:23
I've had those moments, especially early on when my
42:26
relationship wasn't working and my career wasn't going anywhere
42:29
and I'm overweight and I'm depressed and I'm these things.
42:32
And it's like no one thing that I do know from life is that when
42:37
it's this too shall pass. When you're happy and you're
42:40
joyful, it's not going to last. And you're down in the when
42:43
you're down there and you know, in the trenches of things,
42:46
that's not going to last either. The only thing consistent is the
42:50
change. And I always say the waves that
42:52
we have to ride. So make sure your surfboard is
42:54
strong because we're going to keep doing this.
42:57
So when I learned to really allow that, I thought, OK, let
43:00
me not just give up on everything.
43:02
Let me allow this page to turn so I can jump back on my board
43:06
and and see what else there is for me.
43:09
Oh, I love that analogy. The Yeah, we have to ride the
43:13
waves. To.
43:14
Make sure our our board, our foundation is strong.
43:19
I'm going to cry again. You're kidding me.
43:28
Well, obviously, you know, like you said that there are the
43:31
times of like, maybe I shouldn't be doing this, you know, And I
43:38
felt one of my fears before having my daughter was like, I'm
43:42
not going to want to do anything else.
43:44
Like I'm only going to want to be with her.
43:46
So, so that surprised me how much I didn't change in that
43:51
aspect like that. But did anything, did your
43:56
ambition change at all? Or what surprised you most about
44:00
your ambition in your drive after having your son?
44:04
Well, once I switched back into gear because I, like I said, I
44:07
probably had some postpartum depression.
44:08
I mean, it wasn't like, you know, diagnosed, but I'm, I'm
44:12
pretty sure that that happened for me.
44:14
And so once I was able to turn that page and jump back on that
44:17
board, I feel like, I feel like it was like nothing's going to
44:27
stop me. If that didn't stop me, if this
44:30
didn't stop me and that and all that stuff that I've been
44:33
through, like if that didn't stop me or kill me, even then I
44:36
can do anything. That's how it felt.
44:38
And I just, I've had that sort of persistence since I was
44:42
young. I against all odds in so many
44:45
ways, I felt like I've had to rise past a lot of, of the cards
44:49
that I had been dealt. And that was another, that was
44:53
another space where I just, there was no other option for
44:57
me. There is no other option.
44:58
It was either this or there's nothing else.
45:03
So that's where, you know, I'd say, yeah, that ambition stayed
45:06
the same and it's still there. It's what keeps me going after
45:10
all these years. And for me still, I mean, 20
45:14
plus years in this industry and I'm not where I thought I would
45:18
be, but I'm definitely in a space where it like when I, when
45:22
I confide in and speak to little Shannon, she's like, keep going,
45:26
like you got this, keep going. You've got you've gotten so far.
45:30
Keep going, keep loving yourself, keep showing up
45:33
authentically and keep being truthful in your creations.
45:37
That's what's but I just keep it just keeps going.
45:40
There's no other option. Is there?
45:44
Is there something you would you wish that you could tell, you
45:49
could tell your younger self or other younger actresses about,
45:56
you know, like you were saying, you might not be where you
45:59
thought you would be or wanted to be 20 years ago, but you're
46:04
in an incredible place now. But is there something you would
46:07
tell your younger self or younger actors about the
46:10
longevity of it as opposed to the speed of it?
46:16
Because we always hear, you know, it's a, it's a marathon,
46:18
not a Sprint. But is there anything you would
46:22
tell your younger self about that?
46:25
Well, I wouldn't be able to speak to my younger self because
46:27
I was hard headed. So she was going to have to go
46:29
through her trials anyway. So like, girl, what?
46:33
Bye. I'm gonna go do this.
46:34
I'm gonna go burn my hand on the fire.
46:36
But as it pertains to the younger actresses, I would say
46:41
that if you're in it to do anything but storytelling, then
46:45
you shouldn't be in it at all. Because the only thing that's
46:48
going to keep us going is our love for the craft.
46:52
It is about the craft. It is about the work.
46:54
It is not about the brand of the followers, of the this of the
46:58
that. That's all fluff.
47:00
And to me, I know that it's a big people are saying, you know,
47:03
we changed and it's a big part of of our careers.
47:08
And I think it's bullshit. I think when you are, when you
47:13
come and when you encounter these opportunities that are
47:16
meant for you, have fun with it, learn from it.
47:20
Because when you're open and you're present with those
47:22
things, then it expands you and you're able to grow.
47:25
And when your craft is growing, then there is no finish line.
47:29
It's the journey that we're in it for.
47:32
And so when we can honor ourselves throughout the
47:34
journey, then we get to learn when we go from this mentality
47:37
of I got to do this, I get to do this.
47:40
And I think that's so important for younger actresses to know
47:43
because we often compare ourselves with others.
47:46
And that is just a death. That is death.
47:51
Don't do it, don't do it. The only competition should be
47:56
yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:00
That's that is hard with the way things are now, but for sure
48:09
this too shall pass where everything will ebb and flow.
48:12
And yeah, if you want to just be a famous or or have your moment,
48:20
then maybe just like content. Create yeah.
48:24
Influencer or content. That's right, that's right.
48:28
Because, you know, sometimes I and I used to be very fiery and,
48:32
you know, as I'm insure I'm more settled I'm more settled, but I
48:38
used to be very, very almost like offended by that.
48:41
Like, you know, you see these reality stars and these huge
48:43
films and I'm like what? What you haven't done, the work,
48:48
you haven't put in the blood, sweat and tears to be able to
48:50
even take an opportunity when the hundreds of people are who
48:53
have worked their ass off, want and need this, But meanwhile you
48:57
got this and you're just placed in it.
48:59
And I used to take so much offense to that.
49:01
Now it's like, hey, I honestly do believe what is for me is for
49:06
me. I honestly believe that if it's
49:08
not for me, then it wasn't mine when I walked into the room.
49:11
And that allows me to really get a lot of the stress and anxiety
49:15
off of me when it comes to auditioning, letting things go,
49:19
which is the biggest for me. Letting things go is the one of
49:22
the biggest challenges. That's when you walk off set and
49:24
you've been on set, even as Chanel unreasonable doubt, you
49:28
know, going on set and getting beat up all day and having to do
49:31
these really intense, you know, scenes and and and be able to
49:36
portray like abuse and domestic violence, like leaving set and
49:41
saying let it go, doing that audition where you're just like,
49:44
God, This is a really wonderful for me.
49:46
I could see myself in this rule. Let it go when you whatever it
49:50
is. That is one of the hardest
49:51
things to really encompass as an actor.
49:54
One of the biggest, one of the biggest rules I would say, or
49:59
tools that we could use in order to be successful in our pursuit.
50:05
Do you think, Speaking of like, reasonable doubt and like all
50:09
the heart, like there's a lot of hard stuff that you have to do,
50:14
do you feel like there is anything like about being a mom
50:21
that specifically shaped how you approached your role?
50:26
Absolutely. That's one thing.
50:29
This is one thing. So when I turned that new leaf
50:32
after I went through that postpartum depression and I got
50:35
my first gig and I wasn't at the my weight, it was going back to
50:39
like how I felt about myself externally and I just was
50:41
insecure. But I remember doing the role
50:43
and it went really well. And I remember it like, OK, I'm
50:45
getting my feet wet again. I'm back doing what I love to
50:48
do. And not only in my back, but I
50:50
felt widened. I felt, I felt more depth.
50:56
I felt more emotional depth, more access.
51:01
I could access myself in places I couldn't before being a
51:04
mother. And I realized, oh, this didn't
51:06
deter me from my acting. This actually helped me embrace
51:11
it even further. It helped me grow.
51:13
It helped me flourish in a space where before I could only even
51:16
comprehend these levels of emotion that I had to reach
51:20
reasonable doubt was a mom. It was a mom.
51:22
She was protecting her child, that little cub.
51:25
And I don't like to create from a space of substituting my own
51:29
reality, but there are times where it's going to intertwine
51:32
because of our experiences. We are human.
51:34
And there are so many times where that Mama bear came out of
51:37
me and I was so informed and brought to places emotionally
51:40
that I didn't even know I could go.
51:42
And that was all because of being a mother.
51:45
You're like, thank you. Thank you.
51:48
Right. Thank you.
51:48
So, you know, when we go through it, sometimes it feels like,
51:51
yeah, you're just mucking. You're just, but there's there
51:53
really is that change that happens.
51:56
There's that shift, there's that next wave that you catch where
51:59
you're like, wow, you're in the barrel and you're like, this is
52:02
great, you know? So there is that, there is that
52:06
it's a it's a beautiful, beautiful reminder.
52:10
Yeah, Yeah. That's yeah, it's got to be hard
52:15
with being a mom and having that and playing a mom and having
52:21
that emotional depth and like you said that, but being able to
52:26
put it like. Let it go.
52:30
Because yeah, if you substitute like, that'll give you a whole.
52:36
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Now, that's not to say just
52:39
because, you know, eventually I was able to let these things go,
52:42
some days it was harder than others.
52:43
But that doesn't mean that when I came home to my child at
52:46
school, I was like, you got squeezed him even harder.
52:50
You know, not just from missing him, but just from, from all of
52:55
the emotions that it brought me from being away from, you know,
52:59
from Chanel's pain as a parent. And just when I, when I go into
53:05
a character, I'm all of a sudden in the shoes of someone else.
53:07
And then that puts me in a space of like being super grateful for
53:10
the life that I do have. You know, when you're giving
53:13
someone else's problems, you're like, oh wow.
53:15
It gives you perspective on your own problems.
53:18
Sure, Yeah, sure. Yeah, for sure.
53:21
So yeah, being able to come home, I definitely squeezed him
53:23
harder. Well, I'll move on to something
53:26
lighter. I'm gonna do a a little
53:28
lightning round to wrap us up a little bit.
53:34
OK, so some most of them are like would you rather almost but
53:40
audition self tape night before or the morning of?
53:44
Night before, night before, night before.
53:49
Of memorizing lines in the car or in the shower.
53:58
I would say I don't even like to memorize.
54:01
I like to make memories and I like to do that in the car.
54:04
Yeah, that's a good like that one, your dream role now versus
54:12
your, your dream role, your younger self dream role.
54:17
My younger self dream role was like Quentin Tarantino, like
54:20
yeah, badass. Like shoot him up, beat him up.
54:22
Now my dream role would be something like Avatar.
54:25
Yeah. Oh God, yeah.
54:27
That'd be wild. What do you think is the hardest
54:31
part about being a working mom that?
54:34
A working actor mom that that no one warned you about.
54:39
I mean, they don't warn you about anything, I guess.
54:41
Yeah. Right.
54:42
Where's the book? Can we get a handbook?
54:46
Well, I'll just put everyone's inner.
54:49
You can do it. What didn't they warn me about?
54:54
I guess I'll put it this way. They didn't warn me about how
54:59
much of A better actress I would become.
55:03
I love that. Well, I was going to ask what
55:05
was the best part that surprised you?
55:06
But I feel like that's. It.
55:08
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is your current non
55:13
negotiable on set or at home? My current non negotiable.
55:18
Yeah, oh, my non negotiable. On set or at home, my non
55:28
negotiable. Oh my goodness.
55:29
That's a problem. Maybe a boundary?
55:31
Maybe that would be easier? I would say, I mean the first
55:41
thing that comes to mind is respect.
55:43
I'd like to, I'd like to give respect and receive it in
55:46
return. That's with my child, that's
55:48
with my Co workers, that's with. That's a foundational value that
55:51
I teach and I exude wherever I go.
55:55
I mean, that's a good one. We should have that.
55:58
What's something that you're proud of that has nothing to do
56:02
with your resume? Of course I'm going to say being
56:08
a mom, that's what I'm proud of. I'm proud of.
56:13
I'm proud of being a mom against all odds because it's not
56:15
something that I imagined for myself.
56:18
It's not even something I wanted.
56:19
And now it's the best part of my life.
56:22
Isn't it great? I'm always telling this to
56:26
people where I'm like, we it's so easy for people for parents
56:29
to talk about the negative stuff because that's so much easier
56:33
for non parents to relate to as well.
56:36
And it's just easier, unfortunately to complain about
56:41
things like I'm tired. I'm well, all of those things,
56:44
but it's like it's so hard because there are no words to
56:48
talk about the good. Like how can I?
56:52
There's not enough words to explain the good.
56:55
Yeah, yes. It's so fulfilling in all the
56:58
ways. It's like we get to, I sometimes
57:00
feel like, you know, we get to sort of raise ourselves over
57:05
again. It's kind of, it's a, it's a
57:07
beautiful, beautiful experience. It's so healing.
57:11
OK, finish this sentence right now.
57:14
I'm finally going to allow myself to.
57:19
Right now, I'm going to finally allow myself to to, I'm just
57:26
going to say I'm going to continue to allow myself to let
57:37
go. I mean, that's the first thing
57:39
that comes to mind. It's the hardest thing for me,
57:41
the biggest challenge. So I don't need to reframe the
57:43
question but. Let.
57:45
It go the question. Of course, if if an actor mom is
57:54
OK, it's no longer the speed round, but if it if an actor mom
58:00
listening now is in the trenches and feeling stuck or invisible,
58:06
what would you want them to hear?
58:11
I need them to hear that this too shall pass, just like we
58:16
spoke about earlier. I think invisibility is a really
58:21
powerful word to use because that even makes me feel like I.
58:28
That term encompasses so much of how I felt on my journey as a
58:32
mother and a single mother. And ultimately, we are only
58:36
invisible when we become invisible to ourselves.
58:39
So whatever is left in you to be able to pull yourself through
58:44
and be able to find even a glimmer of yourself in the IT
58:48
might not be who you were, it might be who you will become.
58:52
Turn on that light and just keep it on, because this too shall
58:55
pass. I.
58:59
Think we can all hear that? Right.
59:03
Yeah. What does success look like to
59:06
you now? As success looks like me having
59:14
a happy kind child and getting to make a living consistently
59:22
doing what I love to do, where both of our passions are being
59:26
fed and ultimately I'm pretty simple as it comes to that.
59:33
I would love to one day, like, you know, and this is more
59:36
literal, but I would love to grow my own food.
59:39
I would love to just be self-sufficient, you know, have
59:42
my own space and, and just really be able to nourish myself
59:46
and my family and build this a nice little tight knit community
59:51
and, and be able to, to reciprocate the giving.
59:58
Well, now with, I mean this will come out after obviously after
1:00:02
the new year has. Begun.
1:00:05
But what is something you're excited about for next year?
1:00:09
Either that it's in the works or that you're hoping for for not
1:00:16
even just 2026, but that's coming up next for you.
1:00:20
I'm excited to do to delve deeper into my writing journey.
1:00:24
I'm pretty new at it and it arose because of just like you
1:00:27
said, you know, sometimes you're like, oh wow, there has to be
1:00:29
something in between. And so I'm excited to to, to
1:00:35
dive deeper into that experience and to also do more voiceover
1:00:39
because I love it. I love it.
1:00:41
You just go into the studio with your tea and sweatpants.
1:00:44
Like, yes, that is right up my alley.
1:00:47
I love it. So I'm calling all that in.
1:00:50
I'm calling it in and I'm very excited for it.
1:00:53
Manifest it. All yes, manifesting it all.
1:00:59
Oh my God, Well, I hope that all of the good things come to you
1:01:04
in the new year and beyond. And I'm so, so grateful that you
1:01:11
let me talk to you and answer all these amazing questions.
1:01:15
And I'm calling my my own your amazing answers.
1:01:19
Your questions are amazing too. It's good.
1:01:22
It's OK. We both, both of us.
1:01:26
So great to talk to you and I'm so grateful that you were a part
1:01:30
of Mommy One. Oh, it says such a pleasure.
1:01:33
Thank you so much for having me. You are a joy, beautiful from
1:01:36
the inside out. Thank you.
1:01:38
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