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Exposing Queer Fest and the Attack on Our Children's Minds — with Protect and Teach · UK Column Radio

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Hello everyone. This is Diane Rasmussen with UK
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column. I'm really happy to be here
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today to speak with three amazing women from a group
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called Protect and Teach, which is based down in Devon.
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They do a lot of work to try to protect and safeguard children
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from the indoctrination that's happening in our schools and
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libraries and other institutions around the country.
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I would like to say as we go into this that as I believe that
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really we are a free speech organization here at UK Column,
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we do believe that people have the right to access whatever it
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is that they feel is important or useful or meaningful or
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whatever it is that they need to access.
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But that there is a difference when it comes to what is being
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placed in front of children. And the children are why we are
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here today to, to be looking at what these issues are, the
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things that protect and teach are working for and a particular
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event called Queer Fest, which we will be talking about in some
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detail today. And I also want to say as well
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that the the issues that we will be talking about today are quite
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sensitive and graphic in nature. So if you do have children
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nearby, I would suggest maybe thinking about if you want them
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to be exposed to this material. There will also be a written
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article that goes along with this interview that will show
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some of the images and go into some greater detail about the
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Queer Fest event that we'll be we will be speaking about today.
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And there will be a link to the article that goes along with the
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write up for this conversation. So with that, I'd like to
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welcome our three guests today. The first one is Kathy Mudge,
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who has interviewed with me previously on UK Column and has
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appeared on UK Column News. And we also have two other
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women. One is Jilly and one is Jenny.
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So Kathy and Jilly and Jenny, welcome to UK Column.
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Yeah, I, I think this is such an important topic.
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And I've I've covered this extensively as a former
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librarian and educator myself. And having seen these things
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come into into the schools and universities over the past few
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years, it seems to be how to have happened relatively
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quickly. And there is a bit of concern
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around, you know, what does this mean for the future of the
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families, for the future of relationships between men and
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women as we know them? And there are a lot, there are a
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lot of different things that we need to look at.
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So if we, it seems to me that if we get a situation where we have
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now where children are being exposed to this content a very
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young age, you know, even before puberty.
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And so we can get to them early and then as they develop, then
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they then start to question their gender identity, they
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start to question their sexuality.
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And honestly, a lot of this content that we're about to talk
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about today, as I said at the very start, is just not age
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appropriate and in some cases actually illegal, which I think
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is a, a very, very alarming situation that we will be
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getting into today. So Kathy, you and I have been
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having conversations for several months now.
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I, I spoke at your conference last year, which was a great
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experience. And in one of our meetings at
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one point, I believe a few months ago, you were talking
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about an event that you had found out about called Queer
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Fest, taking place down at Exeter Library down in Devon.
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And so maybe if you can sort of talk us through along with Jenny
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and Jilly, kind of what you learned about Queer Fest and
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kind of how this has progressed. And I'll just let the three of
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you tell the story and, and, and then we'll catch up from there.
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So, yeah, so we started off, yeah, we started off saying
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about we were worried about the queer fest.
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And then Jenny, you, you, you showed in the books that we'd
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collected. Yes.
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So the manager came down and spoke to us, but he seemed a
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little bit anxious because he kept talking about to us about
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people like you as though we were the dregs of society and
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causing all the problems. And apparently they had had a
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lot of e-mail complaints from people like us.
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And then he went on to criticize people like us.
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So I think we had his number, didn't we?
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We did well. We we've worked out.
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There were three men at the library organising this queer
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fest. The manager, someone called
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Chris and then another person in the library and he was at the
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reception. He they, they, he was at the
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reception and he was, he was wearing the Progress Pride
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lanyard, which is the one that supports child transitioning.
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And he actually came over during our interview to join in with us
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naughty ladies. So Jenny was there.
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Jenny, if you, if you say, explain about the books you had.
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Well, can I just clarify, when we actually asked the the person
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at reception, we said that we wanted to speak to somebody in
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charge of safeguarding because we had safeguarding concerns to
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raise about the queer fest. And the manager came over and
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nominated himself as the person that safeguarding concerns
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should be reported to, which in itself is a safeguarding concern
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because they are supposed to have a designated safeguarding
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lead for these exact kind of conversations.
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So the fact that he intercepted our concerns, dismissed them and
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didn't forward or involve the actual safeguarding lead.
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Do you remember when we were writing to them, we couldn't
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find a safeguarding lead on the website and there was no
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safeguarding policy on the website either.
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It was only the day of our visit.
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Yeah, the day of our visit, coincidentally, the website was
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update dated. So yeah, the manager, when we
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started the conversation, we said we've got concerns about
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the queer fest. And I said, I don't understand
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how a homophobic slur can be deemed acceptable for all ages.
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And that instantly set him against us.
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And I think it was also Kathy's scarf because he said, well, who
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are you? You know, what, what is this?
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And sort of picked Kathy's scarf up as she was wearing it.
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He sort of picked it up and said, what, what, What does this
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mean? We were like, well, it's just a
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scarf. It was a green, purple and white
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sort of suffragette coloured scarf.
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But yes, he very quickly formed his opinion about us.
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And so when I asked him about the book that I was holding,
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which said it was for so it was aimed at teachers to print out
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worksheets to give to kids, like photocopy and, you know, use the
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worksheets in classes. And it was to teach children
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about sexuality. And I said, you know, can you
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see any problem with this? And he said, no, children need
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to learn about sexuality, apparently, whereas we're very
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much of the opinion that children need to be children and
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sexuality is an adult concern, you know, for teenagers possibly
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to explore, but definitely not children like the there are age
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limits for when these things become appropriate for kids.
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And he did not want to recognize that at all.
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And that was obviously just one of the many books we found in
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the library that are geared towards.
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He told us twice how that he had been excited for the Drag Queen
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Story Hour that had been there earlier in the year.
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And then he told us again how he was excited for the queer fest
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on on that weekend coming. And whilst I appreciate there is
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an American usage where people on American podcasts are quite
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often excited to meet people, he is not American.
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And I didn't necessarily think that he was using the American
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usage of the word excited. However, on the day of the queer
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fest, on the on the day of the queer fest, the stalls were all
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set up in the foyer of the library, which meant that any
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child who wasn't coming to attend the event but was merely
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wanting to return their library books was obliged to go through
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the stalls, which had inappropriate materials on them,
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in my view, for children to see. Any children to see.
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There were foam dildos, weren't there?
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There were. Models of evolve there.
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Yes. There were leaflets, there was a
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banner on Chem Sex and HIV and there was a there was a singer
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who was singing about fentanyl and saying how great fentanyl
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was and everyone should should try it.
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She was actually talking about a song called Femme to to Nil,
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which is obviously a play on the drug fentanyl.
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But to me, to the observers that went in for us and to the people
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listening it, it was obviously you should try the drug
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fentanyl. There was an an inappropriate
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leaflets on most of the stands, wasn't there?
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A lot of them were leading were from LGBTQ groups offering
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services to children where they could get in touch with them
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directly and come down to their offices if they thought that
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they were trans or LGB. But the emphasis seemed to be
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much on the track. And there was.
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AQR code to click on the sweetie store wasn't there.
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So the so the if you wanted a free sweetie, they would capture
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your online information. So as in your I, your digital ID
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would be stored by them in exchange for a sweetie.
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And that was particularly complained about.
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And we were told that it there was nothing wrong with it
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because sweeties aren't just for children.
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Which I thought was disingenuous to say the least.
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I think as well, we were concerned about the people going
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there and running it because we did directly ask him if they'd
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all been DBS checked, which I know isn't a foolproof
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guarantee. And they said that no, that some
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of them were, but some of them were known to the library,
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whatever that means. And because they they don't,
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they don't have to legally do that because they're not having
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a one to one contact with a child because it's sort of like
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a, a stall if you like. They don't have to DBS check
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them legally anyway. But it was just the fact that
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there was this attitude that anybody who was queer, because
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we're going to be able to go in and be around there and be
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available to the children. And this was again, against what
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we'd agreed. We'd, we'd, he'd said to us that
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it wouldn't be near the where the children would be and that
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their children would be unable to go in without an adult with
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them. And we know that in a library
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from the age of eight years old, children can go in
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unaccompanied. So they would have been met at
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the doorway and there was out there of the other group running
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it and out there were in front of the doorway with the table.
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So as children came in they would immediately be greeted by
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a man with the out there together T-shirt on.
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There were also quite a few men who were pretending to be women
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who were greeters as well and wandering around.
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Now we have a real issue with this because we believe that you
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are, you are abusing a child's cognitive ability to recognise
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the difference between men and women.
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And in that situation, you're not seeing them in the street
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and your mum then saying to you, Oh no, that's actually a man.
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You're actually seeing them in the library where everyone is
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telling you that is a woman, you are seeing a woman.
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And that is just something that we really strongly disagree
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with. I don't know what either you,
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you or Jenny want to add to that.
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I think it is very disruptive to a child's development to have
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these conundrums presented at a time when their own sense of
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self hasn't fully developed. What do you think, Jenny, with
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having young children? I mean, what's your feeling on
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that sort of situation? What's that?
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You know if your child if you find out your child had been to
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that library. Well, that's the thing.
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That's why when we spoke to the manager, we said, you know,
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we're not saying don't host the event at all.
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We are saying this is not appropriate for children and
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they have a safeguarding duty, two children.
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So it should never have been held in such a public part of
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the library. The fact that children had to
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walk past all these things that I just, I can't imagine if that
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little girl that we saw opposite the Eddie Stone trust sign,
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which had, you know, talked to us about HIV, condoms and chem
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sex. And I had never heard of that
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until I saw that poster. Knowing what that is, it's a
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very, very disturbing thing, and to have it normalized to young
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children in that way is just, it should be so obviously a
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safeguarding fail that the fact that it's not is another
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safeguarding fail in itself. The fact that there's been no
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reaction to this really from the council or the library, yeah.
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Right, so if I could come in here and say just ask which of
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you are brave enough to explain what chem sex actually is
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because it was not a term that I was familiar with until I
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started looking into queer Fest. OK, great.
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Thank you. Yeah, Chem Chem Sex Chem.
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Sex is a way that some gay men choose to reduce their
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inhibitions by taking a cocktail of drugs and I cannot for the
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for the life of me come up with the particular drugs that they
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use. But there was a very good
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article I think on Substack that I read by a young man who
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effectively was self harming by going in for chem sex sex.
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And he said that once, once the drugs had taken hold, he
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couldn't hold back. He couldn't he he wouldn't say
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no to anything and he was doing things which in retrospect he
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thinks were very damaging to his body and and psychologically.
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But once you are in the control of the drug, you are just
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completely overtaken with a lust that you can't control.
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It is therefore a very dangerous thing to to put before children
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because you don't want them engaging in that sort of
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behaviour because it's damaging. Yeah, I mean just you know, the
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obviously the banner was talking it would said chem sex and they
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were obviously there to educate people about the dangers of chem
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sex. So again with the with the the
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dildo that was to measure your girth for a condom, which they
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offer from the age of 13 years up.
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So again, they're saying they're doing sex education and that
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children who are having sex at 13 need to know how to use a
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condom. And, you know, obviously we
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could argue that a different way as to the as we, you know, a
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child approaching that group saying I'm 13 having sex is
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different to an 8 year old. Well, we think the child was
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about 7-6 or seven and she's in a little yellow dress.
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You see her in the photo in the article and she's looking
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directly at the table. Why does she need to know about
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condoms fitting for an an for 13 year olds?
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And she sees the word Ken sex that's now in her head.
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That's never going to go so if someone says to her later was a
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teenager, have you ever tried chem sex?
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She's going to think, oh, chem sex.
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Well, that was at the library, you know.
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Oh yeah, that's OK, isn't it? It's around.
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I've seen it advertised. Yeah, sure.
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I know about that. You know, that's that's a drip,
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drip, drip. It's.
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Subliminal, isn't it? Yeah, subliminal.
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Messaging, yeah, and it's making it and it was inappropriate.
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And I'm really crossed that there were a lot of people there
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who were say, who would have had safeguarding training because
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directly opposite the table with all this awful stuff on was the
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mental health team. Now it's, it's beyond me.
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They say that they would did the right safeguarding, that none of
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those safeguarding people went to the table and said, look, I
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think you should tuck that back a bit.
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You know, we've got young children going through here.
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They seem to just throw everything out the window
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because it's the LGBTQ. Well, that's it.
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Just open up for everything. When we talk about the issues
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that are raised with this, there are a couple of things that I
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want to sort of emphasize to the audience. 1 is that chem sex,
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even if they're saying that they're doing it to warn about
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the dangers of it is essentially letting children even know about
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the possibility of taking illegal drugs to achieve this,
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you know, sexual goal. So we have not only the
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questions around the moral, the world, the ethical issues that
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surround how young we should be teaching children about sexual
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activity of any kind, you know, LGBTQ or otherwise.
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And now we're talking about something that is actually
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illegal that whether or not they're saying it's a good idea
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or a bad idea, it's still in their heads as a possibility.
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And, and so I think there are questions around that because if
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we talk about things that are considered illegal, even if we
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look at, let's say, underage drinking.
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So if you're over a certain age and you're allowed to drink
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alcohol according to the law, what happens when you're
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younger? And I know this from my younger
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days when I was at university and I was 18 and I wanted to
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drink because my friends were drinking and it was available
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even though it wasn't legal until I was 21 where I was in
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America at the time. So I think that there are
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temptations that can be raised in the minds of, of young people
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because they're saying, oh, it's, if it's forbidden, then
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sometimes it seems like that might make, make them want to do
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something more. So if they know about these
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possibilities for sexual activity and for drug use and,
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and for things that are actually in this case illegal, regardless
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of whatever age you are taking illegal drugs, then we're
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promoting illegal activity from children as sounds like as young
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as 7 or 8 years old. So we have to look at this from
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the the bigger perspective as well.
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Is that even on an sort of a practical low level, it's, it's
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dangerous. But what is actually being
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promoted here? Well, it's the the issue of the
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sexualization of children. And what does that mean?
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Well, it depends on how far you want to go with it.
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But if we look at some of the globalist policies from the
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United Nations and from the World Economic Forum.
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World Health Organization, a lot of them are taking the position
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that children are sexual beings from birth and that there are no
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age restrictions necessary or expected or even desires because
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they need to be learning about things from a very early age.
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So there are a lot of questions obviously about what this means
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for putting these things into the minds of children.
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Are we setting them up for paedophilia?
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Because if they will then know what this means so that if
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they're approached by the likes of Hugh Edwards and Jimmy Savile
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and others, that we know the grooming gangs, whether they're
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Asian grooming gangs or or British screaming gangs, that
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these things are have been happening for some time in this
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country, that they will continue to happen.
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And you know, so exactly what does this mean for the future of
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our children and the safety and the future of the family and
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what this means for reproductive situations between men and
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women? So with that, I don't, I don't
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know if any of you have anything to respond to that because these
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are larger issues that we're looking at.
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Does anyone want to take anything out from there to see?
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What are your thoughts on this? One of the things you said was
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about children being groomed for paedophilia, but in some ways
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it's almost worse than that because one of the ways that
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social workers used to detect children who were potentially
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the targets of paedophiles was if those children knew age
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inappropriate things about sexual activity.
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If you are telling all the children about all the sexual
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activities that are possible, then the social worker no longer
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has the red flags where she can identify children who may be
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being subjected to paedophilia because all the children are
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being. So it actually makes it harder
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to detect the activities of paedophiles if, if that makes
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sense. Yeah.
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And going back to your alcohol thing as well, you you it's not
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advertised on the television and for under eighteens you're not
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supposed to be have alcohol being advertised like it used to
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be in the past. It's usually going to be after
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the watershed and stuff like that.
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Posters smoking is exactly the same and yet we're advertising,
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like you say, sex to very young children all over the place
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because we, we're calling it LGBTQ.
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No one is challenging it as we found with the council.
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No one in the council wants to take it on.
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No one with safeguarding wants to take it on.
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The police don't want to take it on.
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We're going, we're we're continuing with these groups,
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aren't we? I mean, Jenny knows more about
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the council side of it because you have a lot more contact with
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the group, you know that are actually went along to the
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library. OK, Yeah.
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So obviously before the event we wrote to all the counsellors to
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say we are really concerned about this.
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Two of the counsellors listened to us and decided to attend the
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event to see what actually happened.
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We decided not to go in the end because we didn't want to have
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any kind of arguments with the manager in front of children or
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anything like that. The councillors that did attend
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have made multiple complaints and safeguarding issues, issues
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about GDPR. Obviously with the data
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collection for Sweeties, the data collection for Sweeties
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thing was completely dismissed as nobody's responsible for that
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data. So you know, the council had
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don't have responsibility apparently.
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So it's all this dismissal of proper safeguarding and it's all
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because it's attached to LGBTQ. It's the same thing that we've
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seen happen with the grooming gangs, like Diane said, where
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because of the attachment to the protected characteristic and the
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fear of offending people, nobody will confront safeguarding
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issues surrounding these events or these groups.
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The protected characteristics are to protect against unlawful
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discrimination and harassment and having an opinion and
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expressing it, even causing offence of the sort to where
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somebody feels, oh, that wasn't a very nice thing to say.
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None of those are unlawful and having a protected
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characteristic doesn't protect you against people having
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thoughts about you. So I think that the whole
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Equality Act has been misplayed for the last 15 years.
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And thankfully the Supreme Court set out the, the, the, the, the
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true position for the protected characteristics as they have
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always been. And people need to start taking
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notice of that judgement and getting their beans in a row
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again. But it's been how many months
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now? Is it nine months?
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And we're still, yeah, nine months and we're still not
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there, are we? No, Yeah.
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So we're continuing to raise the issue with the council, with the
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police. We're following up.
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We complained to the police because they have actually
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broken the law which was exposing children to
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inappropriate material. Wasn't it?
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Because if you if you say go to an art gallery, so someone would
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say there's an argument. You go to an art gallery and
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there's part of the art gallery, it's got very strong art in it,
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lots of nudity and stuff like that.
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The art gallery would have a responsibility to put a sign up
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for anyone going in there, that this was maybe adults only.
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Whereas the the library is has to have exactly the same thing
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of not letting, of not exposing children at all to it in the
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whole of the library. They can't put a sign up and
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say, oh by the way, you shouldn't go to section
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whatever. The whole of the library has to
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be safe for children. So if they have books that are
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not suitable for children, they have to be very separate from
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the children's library. So that's where they were
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breaking the rule on that. It's the Protection of Children
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Act 1978. So for example, a sex shop in a
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High Street, they on their door would say that no children are
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allowed in. So that's it.
27:20
So if you then take your child into there and they see that
27:24
stuff, you as a parent or the the adult was in the wrong
27:28
because you went against what the shop was telling you, the
27:30
shop telling you exactly what they were doing.
27:33
The art gallery was telling you that in one of their galleries
27:35
there is this don't go in. And you made the decision to
27:38
take the child in and library is completely different.
27:41
Then again, like I say, 8 year olds, how many people have
27:44
dropped their children off at the library with their books and
27:47
said, right, you go on in, have a look at the books.
27:49
I'm just going to unpark the car and then I'll come in and we'll
27:52
see what books you've chosen. What?
27:55
What else would you think we could say about the Queer Fest
27:58
then? Yeah, it's running.
28:01
This is the second year of the Queer Fest.
28:04
So what we're hoping is that we won't have a third year of the
28:07
Queer Fest this year. So that will be something we're
28:09
keeping an eye on because we feel we've raised major issues
28:13
with Libraries Unlimited and the council and people working
28:18
within the library to make them really think that what they're
28:21
doing, they hopefully start thinking that what they're doing
28:24
is not right. I don't think we'll be able to
28:30
persuade them however we may. We may be able to prevent them
28:35
from following their instincts. Yes, if, if, yeah, if I can say
28:54
one more thing about these groups as well.
28:57
They're actually moving into mental health now and doing
29:02
offering training on mental health for teachers, for
29:05
children and also going into extremism and offering schools
29:11
training on extremism. So they're moving the goal
29:13
posts. So they they want to stay in the
29:15
schools. They're looking, I think
29:18
personally at the way the wind's blowing and thinking, right, the
29:20
LGBTQ may not be the way to go in the future.
29:24
Let's go and get some mental health programs going.
29:27
Let's go and get some training for children on extremism.
29:30
I'm sure misogyny will come into it as well.
29:33
So these people work, pushing a particular cluster of agendas
29:39
and taking them into the school to educate both the children and
29:43
the teachers on it. And they do it at public expense
29:45
because they are funded. Yeah.
29:47
And then they offer this thing like called the Rainbow Award,
29:50
which we've talked about. Before the Rainbow Flag Award.
29:52
The rainbow flag award, Yeah, which means that one teacher and
29:55
1 governor has been trained in this.
29:58
So what other flags will be coming up?
30:00
The anti extremist flag. I think queer theory is a is a
30:09
tool. It's a tool to unpick thousands
30:12
of years of civilization and take us back to a dark age.
30:17
Yeah, from my point of view, Exeter is at the start of this
30:21
because in 2008 we had a conference at Exeter University
30:25
on queering primary education. So that was a long time ago and
30:30
they now the people involved in that now run teacher training at
30:34
Exeter University. So right back then they were
30:37
talking about primary school children and how to queer them,
30:41
which is breaking down boundaries.
30:42
That's what it's all about. OK, if we could talk about
30:46
councils for just a minute, One of the things that I have been
30:51
looking into for the last few months on in my reporting is the
30:56
issue of what we can do locally to fight these larger agendas.
31:00
So as I mentioned just a minute ago about the globalist
31:04
organizations, for example, that are pushing this agenda of
31:10
putting this material in front of children.
31:12
And the UN, you know, has the Convention of the Rights of the
31:15
Child, which basically says the child has the same rights as an
31:18
adult. And of course, those, those
31:23
those of us who are working, including yourselves at Protect
31:26
and Teach who are working to expose these things, as well as
31:29
a Scottish Junior for Education, which is a group that I've
31:32
worked with for some time up in Scotland.
31:36
When we look at these local approaches to speaking out and
31:40
trying to prevent or stop or reverse things that they're
31:45
doing in the schools, I think this is a very important issue
31:49
because individually it seems too big for, you know, an
31:53
individual parent or an individual group of people to to
31:59
fight against something that is so big and so far beyond anyone
32:04
group or anyone counselor or anyone group of parents.
32:08
And so one of the things that I've been trying to do with some
32:11
of this is to highlight work that local councils are doing,
32:16
whether it's to the benefit of the people, whether it's adults
32:19
or children or otherwise. And so I guess if we can talk a
32:23
little bit more about how you have found this, because I know
32:26
that Protect and Teach, although you are all based in Devon, that
32:30
there are parents all over the country who are involved in
32:35
working with you to stop whatever it is that's happening
32:38
in their schools and libraries. So I'd be interested to hear
32:43
from you as leaders of Protect and Teach, how has this played
32:48
out in other areas around the country?
32:50
What are some examples of things that parents have been doing and
32:55
maybe can continue to do? Because I think that the only
32:58
way to to fight against some of this is to take local action.
33:03
Yeah. What we found from parents is
33:07
that they're contacting us having found this going on in
33:10
their school library, either the books or the pride festivals or
33:16
the celebrating of LGBTQ history.
33:21
Was it week or months? We're never sure how long they
33:23
go on for. So that's their the initial
33:26
contact that we have and we can help them write letters.
33:31
We have obviously people who've been doing it all over the
33:33
country anyway that will come in and help us as well.
33:36
Give us advice on what worked, contacting the school,
33:39
contacting the head, contacting the governors, contacting their
33:43
local council, contacting their MP.
33:46
Now with a lot of these people, they really don't understand.
33:50
So what they say is, Oh yes, we're LGBTQ friendly and they
33:54
have no idea what comes in under the after the B, you know,
33:58
that's the issue. And when you actually explain to
34:01
them or show them, many of them are really shocked.
34:04
We've had head masters who have actually been like, well, no,
34:07
we're fine with this book. It's an LGBTQ book in our
34:10
library, in our school library. We like all the children to read
34:13
it as one of the books of the, you know, the list that they
34:16
we'd like them to read. And then when you actually show
34:19
them the book and get them to sit down and read it, you can
34:23
see that they immediately they had no idea what was in that
34:26
book. They didn't have time to go
34:28
through all this stuff. They rely on people, well,
34:31
probably like you, Diane, as a librarian to almost do like an
34:34
alternative review of books and say This is why this book isn't
34:38
bad because they don't have the time to put the work in.
34:41
They rely on parents. They rely maybe on groups like
34:44
us to write to them and point out what's wrong with what
34:48
they're doing. But some of the more vocal
34:50
parents feel very alone because they're the The first thing the
34:54
school will tell you when you approach them is that you're the
34:57
only person raising issues about this.
35:00
And if that person becomes more vocal and keeps going in and
35:04
keeps raising the issues, then eventually they get to the
35:07
position where they are. Their e-mail address is blocked
35:10
by the school and they're told that they may not go onto the
35:14
school premises anymore. Which, if your child is going
35:17
there five days a week, is a somewhat concerning position to
35:21
be in. So we have quite a lot of upset
35:24
parents contacting us, and mostly they're just incredibly
35:27
relieved that they're not the only person in the world who's
35:29
having these issues. Yeah, so at the moment we've got
35:33
a parent who's contacted us who's trying to find out about
35:37
their child, who's going to be talking about pornography and
35:40
consent at the age of 13. Now they want to find out what
35:44
the lesson is and they're having trouble.
35:46
The schools like, you know, because it this comes into PHSE,
35:50
which means they can't withdraw their child.
35:53
They can withdraw their child from sex Ed.
35:55
They can't withdraw them from PHSC.
35:58
It's compulsory. But they then can't find out
36:00
exactly what you're going to tell them about pornography.
36:03
What are you, what are they going to be seeing?
36:05
You know that what, how, how you're going to explain consent.
36:08
And they're very the school is really vague because we know
36:12
from the Gillick Law and everything.
36:14
And again, from this queer fest, 13 year olds getting condoms was
36:18
something that they advertised on one of their stands.
36:21
So if their attitude is you're 13, you need to know all about
36:24
pornography, condoms, where you can get them from, where you can
36:28
access them from. That is really dangerous.
36:31
Yeah, and like Diane said, it's it can feel too much for one
36:37
person or even one small group of people.
36:39
We definitely feel very overwhelmed sometimes just with
36:44
the amount we've got going in Devon and I think that's because
36:47
a lot of it comes from the council and it's their
36:51
responsibility, not ours. It's their responsibility to
36:55
clean it up. At the moment councils are run
36:59
mostly by very left wing civil service who are fully on board
37:07
with all these ideologies and councillors that you know are
37:14
elected on political reasons. So for example, the book lists
37:23
that Cathy was talking about, the Devon Council education
37:29
pages have the LGBTQ plus reading list for primary school.
37:37
So obviously a lot of schools are just going to go and click
37:40
onto the reading lists provided by the council, buy the books
37:44
that are on that list and consider their library stocked.
37:48
They don't have the time, as Kathy said, to do the proper
37:50
research and the council is one of the local safeguarding
37:57
partners defined by working together.
38:00
So they have the responsibility to provide proper safeguarding
38:06
and all of these areas that are their responsibility, including,
38:10
you know, education, libraries, send provision, health care.
38:16
There's so many aspects where it really comes back to the council
38:21
need to deal with this properly. And at the moment they're not.
38:26
Instead of using common sense, they're using groups like the
38:30
Intercom Trust in Devon or LGBT Youth Scotland up in Scotland,
38:39
you know, Pride and Surrey over there.
38:43
There's a very common theme running through these groups and
38:46
it's this access to children for queer ideology and it it should
38:50
be a huge red flag, but. I think it's important to remind
38:59
viewers that if you didn't know this already, that LGBT Scotland
39:04
I know about in particular has had a convicted eventual,
39:10
eventually convicted child sex offenders working at the very
39:13
top of its organization. And that this is something that
39:17
we've reported on previously on UK column.
39:21
This is not a secret necessarily, but they do hide
39:26
all that behind, you know, sort of this appearing inclusive,
39:30
appearing diverse. And they use that as kind of
39:34
this cover story for what is actually going on at at least in
39:39
the particular case of LGBT Scotland.
39:41
Not to say that that's necessarily the only group that
39:44
we need to be looking at, but I do know about that one in
39:46
particular that that is fully documented that that has gone on
39:50
in the past and further in the past as well as more recently,
39:56
so. He is out now.
39:58
Yeah. James Rennie, One of our
40:00
arguments from the start about why this is so dangerous.
40:04
Has always been that if you basically ring fence any group
40:09
of men and say that this group of men are safe, then the most
40:14
predatory men are going to use that as a way of accessing
40:18
children. So we've seen it in scout
40:21
leaders, we've seen it in priests.
40:24
You cannot do that to any group of men.
40:28
It's just. Right.
40:30
And if we look at Scotland's LGBT inclusive education
40:35
program, which is quite it's, you know, sort of required and
40:40
embedded in the curriculum in Scotland, we can see this very
40:44
clearly that it's, it's Scottish Government policy.
40:48
Everyone in the country has to be teaching this LGBT inclusive
40:51
education portion. The, so it's the PSHE, whatever
40:55
you call it locally, it's got a few different names and that's
40:59
going on in Scotland. I think we're going to see this
41:02
even more as well in England and Wales with the Bridget, Bridget
41:06
Phillips and the Education Secretary and sort of the
41:10
legislation that she's trying to come up with that will make the
41:13
national curriculum even more national and even more rigid
41:17
that it is currently, regardless of where the child is being
41:20
schooled, that this is all going to be even more embedded into
41:24
the required national curriculum down here in England as well.
41:28
So I think that this is not unfortunately going away anytime
41:33
soon. I keep hearing, you know, sort
41:36
of moments where people are saying, well, we, we think that
41:40
this, some of this is starting to calm down, that this agenda
41:43
maybe they're going awake, you know, because we've seen just
41:47
in, you know, very recently, of course, we've seen the
41:50
Darlington nurses who won their case around not having a
41:54
biological man in the women's changing rooms in the Darlington
41:59
hospital. So the Darlington nurses have
42:01
won their case very recently. That's great.
42:03
We also see, you know, from last year, the UK Supreme Court's
42:06
ruling about the definition of a woman, which worked in the favor
42:10
of women. But we also, the problem is that
42:13
we're not seeing it necessarily in all across all, all
42:18
organizations. I think what's happened in some
42:20
cases is that it's actually inflamed the argument a bit more
42:24
and made the people who believe that being biased towards, let's
42:29
say, standard definitions of what when men and women are,
42:33
it's made them even angrier and made them even more prone to
42:38
fighting out against what they believe is the right thing to be
42:42
doing, which is this sort of twisting around of genders and,
42:48
you know, sexual content sets of any type of, you know, of any
42:54
age to children who are very young.
42:57
And so I think the last word, unfortunately, just about the
42:59
time. One thing I want to touch on
43:02
when we go into where is this coming from?
43:04
So we've got the globalist policies, but we've also got
43:06
from the academic side. And I can say this as well as a
43:09
former academic and a former librarian who sort of lost that
43:14
that stage of my career to speaking out against this is the
43:17
issue of queer theory. And when we talk about queer
43:20
theory, I'd like to hear you from all of you just quickly
43:23
about what you, what it means to you and how you understand it.
43:26
But when we look at queer theory from a professional librarian
43:29
perspective, they're, they're saying in the the library
43:33
literature that queer theory is important even in library
43:36
catalogues, which was my background as as someone who
43:40
taught and, and practiced library cataloguing for several
43:43
years, that queer theory needs to be embedded into library
43:47
catalog. And this comes from, you know,
43:49
even the work of Emily Drabinski, who was a previous
43:52
president of the American Library Association, which works
43:56
collaboratively and what has reciprocal accreditation
44:02
agreements with Scylla, which is the library organization here in
44:06
the UK, which I am no longer a member of because I'm no longer
44:11
allowed to practice as a librarian because of the things
44:15
that the positions they took on these things.
44:17
So queer theory means if we're presenting bias in the catalog,
44:20
it means that we're presenting traditional notions of sex and
44:24
sexuality and these things. And so that's saying, well, we
44:27
can't do that because it's not normal to be normal, but it's,
44:31
it's, we need to be presenting these other versions of what's
44:36
going on into the catalog. Yeah, I think we've got
44:42
boundaries for a reason, for very good reasons.
44:45
And the fact that queer theory just seeks to destroy all those
44:48
boundaries and deny reality. It's a really destabilizing set
44:58
of ideas, and I think that's the whole point.
45:02
It's very, very sinister and dark and definitely not suitable
45:05
for children. Yeah, no, this I believe goes
45:10
beyond the the issue of the content in the books.
45:14
It goes beyond that, the objects that they were presented with at
45:19
Queer Fest, it it does, it goes into something much into a much
45:23
darker place. And that's where we need to be
45:25
focusing on what is this actually doing to society?
45:28
What is it doing to existence of families as we know them?
45:33
And, you know, what exactly is going on?
45:35
And as we said earlier in this conversation about LGBT kind of
45:39
being exempt from safeguarding or, you know what, what is the
45:44
difference here between what they're doing?
45:47
And let's say something else that we wouldn't say would be
45:49
appropriate to children, for example, having access to guns,
45:52
which I would say, you know, yeah, we wouldn't want children
45:55
to be able to check out a gun from a library because, you
45:58
know, you can check out objects as well as books and libraries.
46:02
But is that any different from some of these contents where
46:06
some of the library books that I've looked at that are written
46:10
for children, young adults are presenting sexual acts and names
46:18
of things that I am not even aware of and I've never heard of
46:22
at my age. So how is this OK for it to be
46:25
presented to young children? Yeah.
46:31
So with that, I guess I said we're just about of a time, but
46:35
I want to ask all three of you if you have any other final
46:39
things that you would like to say that we haven't had a chance
46:41
to say today the. Thing that I wanted to get to
46:47
that we've not managed to is the fact that those councillors that
46:51
did listen to us and did attend the event saw the safeguarding
46:55
red flags are raising a motion for an improvement to
47:01
safeguarding processes in Devon at the next full council
47:05
meeting, which is in February. I've forgotten the actual date,
47:10
but it will be very interesting to see how councillors actually
47:13
vote. Will they actually vote against
47:18
safeguarding because they're so caught up in this ideology?
47:25
I suspect they might, which I think is very, very disturbing
47:28
because everybody should be for a better safeguarding of
47:31
children. It's everybody's responsibility
47:35
and I suspect a lot of them are going to duck that
47:37
responsibility, but we'll see. Yeah.
47:40
Thank you. Well, I'll follow.
47:42
I'll continue to follow that meeting and hopefully we can
47:44
report on it when we see the outcome of the meeting.
47:48
Sure. Yeah, absolutely.
47:51
From my point of view, it's the way councils work.
47:54
Having done a lot of work now in the past couple of years within
47:56
councils, I really do believe that a council that that that
48:00
parties, the main parties like Labour, Lib Dems, Conservatives
48:04
shouldn't be involved at council level.
48:06
It means that they stick to the party line.
48:09
And So what we find in Devon in particular, a huge number of Lib
48:12
Dems and they stick to the Lib Dem party line of LGBTQ and
48:17
trans women are women. So, you know, that's what the
48:21
councillors then without even understanding this in any form,
48:25
that's what they'll go for each time.
48:27
So that's how I feel. Let's discuss how, let's discuss
48:30
more about councils. I think that's where the secret
48:32
is. And Diane, thank you very much
48:34
for your work on this and for talking to us today.
48:37
It's been interesting and a pleasure.
48:40
Yes, thank you. Yeah.
48:44
Thank you so much. Very much and we will continue
48:48
to follow the developments and and I just want to say in
48:51
closing that again, going back to the idea of local action is
48:56
really important. And so I want to say that you
48:57
ladies have been doing amazing work done Devin and and I'm
49:01
really happy that you are leading these this action around
49:05
the country. And I, I hope that any, any
49:08
parents or any concerns individuals in this country
49:12
would be able to get in touch with you.
49:14
So I will provide a link to the website for Protect and Teach
49:18
along with this interview, along with the written article that
49:22
shows again the very graphic images that were taken showing
49:26
some of the things that were happening at Queer Fest.
49:29
So I will also encourage listeners to go follow up and
49:32
look at the visuals that and the additional information that you
49:36
have provided in that article. So again, Jilly and Jenny and
49:41
Kathy, thank you for your time this morning, and I really
49:43
appreciate your bravery and your honesty and all of your hard
49:46
work. So thank you all very much and
49:48
thank you to the audience for listening today.
49:52
Thank you so much.