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Interview: Joseph Schmalke – Whore of Babylon · Multiple Nerdgasm

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hey it's Matt here uh we got a cool interview for you this week Jenner and I
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spoke to Joseph schmy he's a comic book author and illustrator he's got a
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Kickstarter running right now for his new book called horror of Babylon if
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you're into horror or Comics or or even more specifically horror comics then
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check it out cuz you'll probably enjoy it uh we'll put links to everything in
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the show notes um please let us know what you think if you want us to do more
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interviews and who you'd like us to interview uh head over to multiple nerdgasm
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but for now please enjoy this interview with Joseph schmy uh Joseph schmy is the
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creator writer and artist behind the calamitous black Devils The Infernal
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packed and the upcoming [ __ ] of Babylon thank you for coming on the podcast
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thanks a lot guys that's good to have
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you thanks thanks uh so did you guys uh
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get a chance to read um infernal pack it was climet black Devils you guys got
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right we did yeah we bought clus black uh I then got infernal packed on
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comixology so I could read it as well cuz I actually I really enjoyed clamus
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black Devils so oh cool I was like awesome yeah I was like cool I'll check
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them both out and now I'm excited about the new one yeah yeah uh so with
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calamitus black Devils um that that got
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picked up after um pretty much issue two was being wrapped up so all that anybody
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had seen at that point was issue one and um so then it it became like no you're
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no longer putting out issues uh
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didn't say anything like you know my work was [ __ ] or anything he was just
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like oh it's you know you could do this different you could do that different so
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I started taking his advice then um I showed it to uh CB suboi the next year
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who uh works for Marvel and and he gave me more advice so when I went into the
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infernal pact um I had already started creating some of the pages uh so I
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couldn't use his uh nuggets of wisdom for parts of issue one but uh as I went
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through the the process so yeah you you listen to the people that are in the
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industry and the books that you like and you can sort of start to to figure out
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how things are supposed to you know how the the whole art of paneling a comic
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book is like something in of itself too it's not just the artwork it's it's like
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you know there are words on the page and how many words can you use and so I yeah
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right yeah and um Rachel daring who lettered issue one of the infernal pact
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um I like sent her the script and she's like no no no no you've you've
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completely we can't use this and so um she SED G she schooled me on you know
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rules that had to do with lettering and um you
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know how many words you can physically use on a panel without it being like
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just a roadblock for the reader so yeah right um yeah it's been a learning
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process I'm still learning you know I don't I always feel like there's
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um but that's you know that's just my opinion of it too um so with that book I
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was able to produce about two pages a day okay and and as far as the writing
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goes that's actually the longest part um because I I I can't tell you how long it
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takes me to write something sometimes like uh infernal packed came pretty
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quick um I think I wrote it in like two months it was done like the whole series
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was written and then with um climat this black Devils I was actually still
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writing it issue by issue so I didn't
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have like an ending until I the ending
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and then yeah Stephen King style it it was very organic you know it's like one
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of these things like well how is this going to work and then you you don't
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want to follow into you don't want to do too many cliche things you don't want to
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make it too predictable but um you also want to make it you have to tie up all
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these ends these loose ends and stuff and I I don't know how successfully I
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did that I feel like I had so many left open that I was just like well there's
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more to it but it kind of leaves room for a sequel that way yeah yeah yeah it
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but it's also kind of a copout too sometimes because you're like intention
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was to tell one story not make multiple stories but I feel like if you read that
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and I never wrote something about it again you'd be okay with it um yeah well sometimes
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you know you don't want everything explained and they can go too far with
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that too so you know yes it's nice to leave the reader like the chance to fill
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in the blanks yes yeah just like a movie you know um nobody needs to go you don't
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need a 20 minute long exposition of some talking head like telling that's show us
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what's going on yeah exactly or give us little hints here and there and let
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people put the the pieces together on their own but uh horror Babylon
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I started writing it in December and I finished it maybe a month
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and a half ago right so it a much longer process but it is a complete story it
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stands alone it's all by itself and I'm really like I think this is my best
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piece of writing that I've done so far uh cool it's it's like a pretty Epic
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Journey for this woman who uh so yeah I'll tell you right now
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um I have a Kickstarter up called horor bon and it's about this um shock rocker
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Cherry Blackbird who has um sold her
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soul under distress under dress uh for fame and fortune and I I won't tell you
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what why she had to sell her soul because that comes out in the wash later
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but um basically I I won't say why but I do like your explanation
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for why she does that I think it's a good theory
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yes yes and um so yeah she sells her soul she becomes kind of like a
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degenerate um just just the worst kind of celebrity you can think of where
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she's kind of a [ __ ] and she is a chronic alcoholic and Drug user but she
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like the thing is is that because she's sold her soul she just doesn't care
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because she knows that she's got this time she's not die beforehand and and
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that's never really fully explained but in my mind I feel like if you sell your
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soul to the devil he'll keep you alive until the contract's up just because
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he's like that yeah so um uh basically she's given up all hope
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in life and the the Devil comes to her on her 26th birthday and basically says
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that if um she can collect these seven demonic spirits that have escaped from
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hell then um he'll give her a
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pass so um there it is that's like the the buildup to the story and then she
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goes off on this journey uh to collect these these
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Spirits the these demonic souls and um she meets people along like one of
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them is her best friend who's the basist in her band and uh then she beats the
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black hen and he's got his uh crony this this woman uh who ends up later on
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becoming their drummer and so it's kind of like it's fun in some way it's it's
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Got U it's got some dark humor there's I like to laugh and I like to grow loud at
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the same time and it's also like it's got a lot of um that exploitative feel
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of a 1970s film where it's got like awesome cheesy on liners and stuff like
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that but you know mixed with gross out it's very like I I guess it would be
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comparable to something like the Evil Dead part two oh
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nice um perfect but it it's also got a
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SAS factor to it too so lots of nudity
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violence um you know filthy language
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drug use it's pretty fun um so it's kind of a sequel to The Infernal pack right
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because I know I mean uh it's got some returning characters from what I can
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tell some returning characters yes the black being like the most prominent one
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but there are others U oh okay cool but uh you don't have to read The Infernal
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pack to figure out who they are or why they fit into the story it gets
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explained but yeah the The Infernal pact for anybody that doesn't know is um this
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story about these three meth heads that sell their soul for drugs they wind up
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first they're turning into um the the woman beatric who's the like leader of
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the the three dumb asses that do this uh she she turns into this witch monster
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and like eats people with her vagina
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and the guys turn into werewolves and um they they have these blackout moments
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and they start slaughtering people and they end up killing this biker and they
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get hunted down by this biker gang that ends up
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worshiping this demon and uh so this Demon's got his own agenda and the
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devil's got its own agenda and they're
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trying to you know save themselves from you know being cursed and it it's that's
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also a fun story yeah yes it is and the way kind of what Drew us to you in uh in
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the first place we met you at Boston ComicCon yes uh and uh firstly the art
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style because you had some stuff on display uh and you had a portrait of HB
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Lovecraft and then you described the plot of uh of calamitous black devils
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and I was like well I mean I gotta buy this guy's stuff yeah yeah well climate of black
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Devils just like the kitchen sinks being thrown at you know it's World War II
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horror Elite Brigade of Army operatives and you know Nazi zombies and ancient
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gods and they get sucked through a doorway and there's mutants and aliens
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and yeah it's crazy yeah it's a good story to pull people in yeah they're all
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all of them I mean I me I've read the two uh and they they are fun and like
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like you know over the top and and great so uh I think our listeners would
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probably enjoy them quite a lot if they like listening to us they'll probably
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like reading your stories the the Wheelhouse is definitely invented for PE
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you know for my books is definitely for people that like the horror and sci-fi
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genre and if you like art comedy and stuff like that uh certainly or a
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Babylon will be up your alley as well yeah and then um so yeah that
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Kickstarter is running now I got all sorts of cool stuff with it I me and my
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wife we also make a uh Tiana Bible and
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those are like mini porn comics so
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um what happens is I sort of I draw a couple of things and then she writes a
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story about it and then so the the first one we did is
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about uh basically the the Duke and Duchess infiltrate this um and they're
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pretty brainless stories because it's all about you know the it's just the
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porn yeah it's yeah they they go to they do like a Scooby-Doo investigation of
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this ancient cult and realize that it's full of sheales that they end up getting
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into an orgy with um the next one they go and search
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of the Abominable Snowman and so you can I I don't have to tell you anymore
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that's that's all you yep sure um so that that's available through
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uh the kickstarter uh we also have um so I got four variant covers by some pretty cool
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artists yeah those are cool yeah um so I got JK Woodward he does Doctor Who and
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Star Trek and he did um Fallen Angel so
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he he's pretty big name out there his is like a painting and he pretty much just
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did a Rogues gallery for the um the cover and then um got Ben Bishop who's
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been working on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and he's got a lot of aonic
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covers coming out for them uh then there's U Mor glum which is a a
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pseudonym for another artist and he uh is the artist for escape from Jesus
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Island and he did he his is like a fully digital painted piece where she's like
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rocking out on the cover and then um
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Rich Wood who has been working on Kyra jungle girl with uh Craig Russo for Dark
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Horse
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Comics and he Zombie Bomb and um his
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artwork's pretty amazing he did a like a ratfink sort of cover so they all they
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all came at me with their different interpretations of like what a rock
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poster would look like and I thought that was pretty cool awesome yeah great
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for the reward tiers as well yeah yeah and then the my cover will glow in the dark
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because so you got you got an extra Edge on them well yeah the thing is that's going
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to be the regular edition right so um that's how it's going to be printed yeah
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for you know however long it goes but um the variant covers are all Limited in
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quantity and they're only getting one print run just sort of incentify it uh
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for and you know it's not just going to be in the kickstarter like if you can
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find me at a convention later I'll probably have a couple of those on me
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too but the regular edition is mostly what's being printed and then um we got
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exclusive posters uh somebody already got the uh tier reward which is you
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could be the devil in this comic oh awesome yeah I saw that that's awesome
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some I I know the person who who got it too so it's going to be interesting to U
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do that person as the devil and then you
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can be a victim so you can get killed and I I kind of like I saw that
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Luther stro had done that um the artist from that was like you know you can be a
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victim in my comic and I was like that's a pretty cool idea so it is it's I I was
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like who you know somebody could get like blown up or ripped apart or
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something and in this book I have like you know there's a bunch of
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people get wasted at one point and so that that's where the victims could be
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in there and it's kind of cool when when people buy those because I don't have to
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think of what a character is going to look like it's I have for it so I'm like
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that's it's a win-win for me yeah and it makes them feel like they're a part of
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it yeah but it also CU we did a Kickstarter um we made a video once and
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we found there were a lot of setbacks with um the amount of money that people
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put in we found that we were spending that or almost that amount on the
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rewards yeah we mostly just did t-shirts and physical things and I think things
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like what what you you're talking about they're way better because it's personal
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for the person right and it doesn't you're not going to like it doesn't cost
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you anything extra to yeah yeah like
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yeah um so my buddy Ben he he said to me not too long ago he was just like you
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know I like to approach things in a DIY sort of uh approach you know do
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everything yourself what could I produce on own that doesn't cost me anything but
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can like right make somebody a part of it and so
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yeah I was like all right what can I do all by myself that I don't need you know
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a printer or you know a low a low cost to me to to make this happen so I have a
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lot of stuff like that in there too where yes it cost it cost me my time it
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cost me my effort right but I also get to make something really cool on the
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other end um yeah like the the Tiana Bibles we make those in our house and um
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part of that is because I don't want to lose any kind of relationships with printers but
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um the other part is I want it to look authentic and um so I I sold a couple of
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these at Boston to people that actually collect Tiana Bibles and they were like
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really happy with them they're like oh my God these look so so I knew I did it
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right and um and I make them in a small batch too so they're like a limited
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thing I make them myself but you know it takes time and
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effort to put these together because they're all done by hand so yeah
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um but yeah if you can include people in it they'll they'll share the hell out of
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your project yeah exactly the other
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thing is too um actually today um I
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believe you backed yes I backed yes I
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did yes so uh I think you put us over the amount of people
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that we actually had for our last Kickstarter campaign oh oh cool so we've
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actually gone over the amount of people that have backed the project from all my
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other previous projects so that's awesome congratulations yeah and so what
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did you learn by doing like because you've done two previous kickstarters
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before is there anything you picked up from those that you realized didn't work
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or yes so um from the first one I got a
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pretty brutal review from uh John Lee who is aiter for Comics tribe I don't
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know if he works exclusively with them or anything but he's a really good
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writer and um he looked at the clamus black devils and gave me a lot of
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feedback on that but that that wasn't necessarily good but right if you're
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going to be in this for the long run you're G to make mistakes and you got to
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learn and you can't make things like that too personal so you you learn and
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one of the things I learned was these guys knew what they were talking about
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so I started talking to the guy that um I believe he he just runs it uh and his
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name's Tyler James and he runs a he he's really big on Kickstarter and he he runs
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a a podcast and stuff about it as well but me and him started talking about
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like different things that you could do for uh kickstarters to improve them and
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I started looking at how he was doing his because he's done quite a few of
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them and um so with the first one it was like actually the reason I started at
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Kickstarter was because my friend Tessy launched her album on there and she was
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the um drummer for dead boy and the Elephant men so um she came out with her
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solo project and it got backed and I was like oh that's really cool you know what
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can you tell me about it so she she explained kickstarted to me and I was
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like oh maybe I could do that too because I wanted to make a comic book
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and it's been you know drawing and painting and stuff for years but when
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you do these shows and stuff um you know you're trying to sell something for a
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couple hundred bucks to a couple thousand dollars and you know it's hard
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to move that stuff and I was like I I've always loved comic books I love
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storytelling and I was like all right I and and I did film for a while which I
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wasn't a um wasn't very successful at
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uh mostly because I I'm not like a good collaborator with um large amounts of
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people sure um so it's hard to be a director and and not
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be necessarily too jazzed on working with people you know yeah
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totally so I was like you know I can make a comic book as big and cinematic
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as I want and to answer your question what did I learn from Kickstarter so I
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launched the first one and um you know I
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had I had no background on like what I was really supposed to do so I just
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looked on the kickstarter page and they gave you some advice and then I launched
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it and then I started reaching out to people and I fortunately had enough
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friends and family and people that actually had liked my artwork already I
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was able to get that funded and that was just for one issue of a comic yeah and
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um and it was it was a low dollar amount and I wasn't thinking big you know I
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wasn't like I'm gonna get this into Diamond distribution or anything like
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that I was just like I want to make a comic book and I sell it to you and
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that's what it is it's not like people are donating to you they are it's an
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exchange of goods they're giving you money you give them a project everybody
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wins so um I did a really small print run I think it was like 400 issues of
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calaminus black Devils number one and from that you know I got I got picked up
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by Broken Icon Comics and now it has a larger
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distribution um but only in graphic novel format I wasn't thinking that big
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and then um so you know when it came around to the next project because now I
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have now I have climate as black Devils done and I was like oh you know I want
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to I want to make another book but I don't have you know $5,000 to do this
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again yeah so um and now I was thinking bigger and this is what the infernal
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packed and I was like I'm going to make three issues I'm just going to do the
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whole series I'm going to back it now and I was like I'm going to do it as
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singles and I I hired CP Wilson who did
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um wraith for Joe Hill and he's oh yeah
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for Stuff of Legend as well he did a a
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cover and then I got Stephen Scott who uh has drawn virtually everything for
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every company at some uh he did a cover for me so I here
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I am like I'm like you know if I get these really cool artists on board this
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will incentivize people to um back my project so I started thinking bigger and
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and taking advice from the comics tribe guys and then
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um and and then I started thinking about stretch goals and stuff like that
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because I hadn't really considered it very much with the first um Kickstarter
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so one of the stretch goals was everybody that backed it got this free
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mini comic and I got the cover for that one done by Rich
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Woodle and uh so we reached that goal and then we reached the second goal
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which was I was gonna hire a letter which ended up being awesome because Rachel daring
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uh who has worked on horror anthologies I think it's called Freight of the dark
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is one of her horror anthologies and she does she works on Archie Comics and all
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sorts of stuff she's very prolific she she's the one who gave me the advice on
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you know that I needed to hire an
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editor I did that and I got Sean
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Greenleaf who is uh he works on escape
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from Jesus Island and my books and now
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he works on oathbound and astop punk as well and I think he has another project
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that he's working on and I forget what it is and that makes me feel
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bad he is the guy that I collaborate with the best so cool um my advice to
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people is um if you're going to do a
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Kickstarter um really do your research on it ahead
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of time like for this one I realized that printing cost are really what the
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big deal is right like I'm trying to get
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a book printed so um in order to to get those in order to make it feasible to
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put these books into stores or to get distribution or anything like that if
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you're an independent Creator you have to buy a big print run in order to do
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that it's it's thousands of dollars right the cheaper way to do it
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unfortunately is a graphic novel maybe it's unfortunate maybe it's not I like
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single issues I'm a I book collector myself yeah right but yeah I'm the
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opposite I like the novels I like having them all compiled yeah my my wife is a graphic
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novel person she doesn't buy singles and I realized there's a trend going towards
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that you know like when I do conventions I can't sell my single issues but I can
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sell graphic novels so I was like you know after doing this for a couple years
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now I'm just like you know graphic novels are the way to go give somebody a full story and
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to to to like read that takes up like maybe a couple hours of their life yeah
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so um yeah anyway so when I went into this I I I found the the printer that I
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wanted to use that could do the things I
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wanted to do with the comic and um yeah
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so um that's what's led me to to my
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current phase of of Kickstarter um but
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the other thing mentioned oh yeah for no no no go ahead sorry I'm not making
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something that's like a Marvel or DC Comic you know like a lot of lot of the
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bigger distribution companies aren't going to come near my project and I know
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that and uh but I don't want to make those books you know I don't want to
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make something safe and right yeah so Kickstarter is awesome for this
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because what it does is you build an audience so from the calaminus black
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Devils I made I made fans and fans came and followed me into the
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infernal paack and then that built and now they've followed me into horor
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Babylon and I'm making newer fans so you're you're just constantly growing
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your fan base and um and I'm doing something that's kind
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of in a niche market where I I think when you guys saw me at at Boston I was
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sandwiched next to a woman that was doing like Disney princess pinup yeah
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that's right like horror and and smut
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and so that that's a little strange but that's the that's the weird and cool
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thing about comic books now is but I mean it worked out in a way because our
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I was drawn to you yes but I felt bad for all the moms that walked by with their
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little wanted to buy Ariel and I've got like all this satanic stuff up yeah it
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was It was kind of interesting placement nonetheless I wanted to ask about uh
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because I I get the impression your your pro kind of physical uh comics and and
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books and whatnot um and digital stuff is kind of growing and I'm kind of I
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guess because we've just I've just moved countries and all that kind of stuff and
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so I'm very Pro digital right now because it means I can keep all my stuff
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with me when I move around and and things um how do you feel like how you
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feel about that and is there uh I mean this is kind of a a busy sort of
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question but um I've noticed that there's a trend where the digital stuff
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actually sometimes even more expensive than the physical stuff especially from
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the big publishes like yeah um for me I
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make the digital cheaper yeah see that's I mean I it seems like that's how it
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would work out you to print it but but you know well the the bigger guys don't
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have to be nice to you yeah you know they can charge you over a price for
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their books um Char convenience yes but
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but comicy has changed the has changed the game for people um I think it was uh
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Becky cloan put out like a book almost exclusively uh digitally and then turned
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around and printed it later I think yeah right and I could be wrong about that
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it's called the Meyer um I know it I know that there are physical copies
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of but uh for a while I thought it was just a digital book I know that JK
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Woodward did Behemoth for monkey brain and that is only done digitally right
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you can't get a physical copy of it so um yeah there is a there is a trend
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towards digital I'm not opposed to it I prefer a physical copy in my hand going
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forward people will be able to buy digital books from me you won't be able
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to get some of my stuff digitally like I'm never goingon to put a Tiana Bible
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up digitally right sure but um well you
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never know uh but the infernal packed you can get
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the whole series on comicy uh you can get the entire graphic no for the
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caminus black Devils um on drive-through Comics I think um I don't really make a
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cut off that so I don't promote it too hard but you can buy issues one and two
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off of comixology and I get the profits from that yeah
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cool uh and horror Babylon when it's done um so for everybody that backs the
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book you get a PDF of the book as it's produced before like every chapter when
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it's done will be sent to you now how I'm approaching this book is I'm
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drawing U sort of sporadically so page
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like 92 might get drawn before page 13
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but um my my goal is to have everybody
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get their chapters you know have my chapters done in order so that people
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can um read them one by one as they're produced uh within like a couple of
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weeks of each other right so that kind of makes it like the single issues yes
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yes and um I think and I'm not positive
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about it yet but I think when it's all said and done I will probably
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deconstruct the book um because I have these four awesome variant covers and
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I've got my own cover right the book is five chapters long so to deconstruct it
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chapter by chapter I could put those covers on it and then put them out
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digitally 1 through five so it's it's not something that I have seen anybody
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else do before you know make the whole graphic novel and then break it down
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later but um it's something I'm going to seriously consider doing and hopefully
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it'll you know gain some traction on on the the digital on the webs for people
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that really like digital comics and there are people who who won't buy my
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physical books but they will buy my my books on comixology and uh there's
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particular guy who who really likes my work but he won't buy a physical copy of
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it he's like nope read digital and I don't blame you it's it's it's one of
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these things where the um it it makes sense now people don't
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have it a ton of space and every is hooked up to the web and it just m you
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know if that's your if that's how you enjoy the reading experience also with
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with comicy they do that guided view thing yeah which is super cool because
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it goes pan panel or um or you can blow the page up and see all the artwork so
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that's kind of cool too yeah that's really handy on a phone like well I mean
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obviously it's better in General on an iPad or or something bigger but like you
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know if I was on the train stuck or something I could like keep reading it's
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cool yeah I I read the entire like Darkness series uh so I only I only own
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one issue of the the darkness and I was like oh it's okay but then I was like
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you know I I had nothing better read or something I don't know and I I ended up
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buying it I really enjoyed it and uh but a lot of lot of stuff to read yes yes
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it's a big Series so um yeah escape from Jesus Island the
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the artist who works for them who did one of my covers uh they really push the
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digital because he does everything digitally and he does all this intricate
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work um like there's little hidden stuff in every panel and so you really can't
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see it unless you buy the digital version yeah I was goingon to ask you do
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you work physically or do you work digitally like with that just in general
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I I do a mixture of both um with calamitus black Devils everything was
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drawn and but how that book was done was so bizarre like literally every panel
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was a sheet of paper so I have this stack in the corner of my house that's
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every single panel of the calam black Devils that's cool and I would scan it
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in and then I would I would rearrange it on the page and then I would uh
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digitally ink it cool wow uh with the
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infernal packed I would do these really um I I did them on traditional size
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comic book pages and then I'd scan them in I would create a black I'd paint the
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whole page black and I would um change the opacity so that I could see through
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the black and I didn't use a paintbrush instead I I
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erased oh cool panels so that's how you get the look for The Infernal packed is
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that it's right it's sort of like scratchboard that's cool yeah and and
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that takes forever so when I was done with that series I'm like I'm never doing that
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again and so now I'm I basically horor Babylon is I've come back to doing
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traditional but now my skills have vastly improved yeah right so um now I'm
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doing more traditional work um and it
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how I go into it now is um I'll either do my roughs in the computer and print
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them out and then Ruff them out again and then scan them back in and then
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digitally ink them wow or El to start to
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finish uh all on the computer okay so um
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yeah the I use a waycom tablet and I use
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Kyle's brushes um it's it's like different brush packs you can buy cool
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so and they've got some really cool ones uh but I highly recommend you know I
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it's a one-time deal you you have to buy the waycom tablet and then you you you
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can use the basic brushes that you're just given with Photoshop or whatever
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yeah um I don't have to buy paper anymore unless I'm you know what I mean
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it's when I look in that corner where there's cobwebs and the clamus black
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Devils is sitting I'm like yeah that was kind of cool and and I do commission
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work and stuff like that you know I do sketch covers and everything so I I can
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physically draw on things but digital is so much more forgiving I can go into it
36:35
as Loose as I want not really think about it and like so I'll lay my page
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out I've got my roughs and I can walk away and come back and I can see all the
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proportions and like figure out what's screwed up with it and what's great
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about it and then fix it you know just move everything around so it's a it's a
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better product in my opinion um cool you're not Mar to whatever you put down to begin
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with so all right well uh we've taken up a bunch of your time but I want to ask
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uh before you go what is your favorite
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horror movie and why oh wow U that's a no press no
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pressure well could I do it you're asking for one but I have like oh you
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can do it you can list a few I don't think I could pick one either yeah it it goes by like
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it it goes about time periods for me you know like when the kid uh nightmare in
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Elm Street and Friday the 13th that's when I was into slasher films really you
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know and I I have this you know for a grown man I've got this big collection
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of Friday the 13th and Nightmare El Street memorabilia that I still build on
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which is a little embarrassing because my kids are like I want to play with
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that and I'm like no that's yeah we have the problem with nieces and nephews yeah
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some of us like no no those aren't toys yeah those are those are our
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figurines so that that's my that's my big collectioner and I guess if you
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wanted to ask me what what my absolute favorite horror movie was the one that
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sticks with me still today is Nightmare and Elm Street part one
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okay uh I know it sounds pretty generic but when you're a kid and you see that
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time and the the Practical effects you know when his arms stretch across the
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STS and like his space gets ripped off and like the getting diced up on the
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ceiling I mean all that stuff was just like it's crazy it's crazy and there's
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no CGI in it and that's the problem with horror movies today is like they CGI out
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of it and it it loses its spook Factor altogether you're just like if if they
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do it the Peter Jackson route you know mix the with just blood everywhere yeah
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see I would see I always say Evil Dead just because for me Evil Dead sums up
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everything that I love about horror movies is like the goofy practical
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effects and then and you mentioned Evil Dead 2 earlier I actually love Evil Dead
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2 maybe more just in general just because of Evil Dead 2 for you have to
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understand like we're talking about different time periods when I discovered
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Evil Dead 2 because that was an indie film you know that that wasn't a lot of
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press I remember I I was at my grandparents house and um they had HBO
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and there it was around Halloween or something and it was playing Evil Dead
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too and I was like oh wow and um it was just like a little clip they showed and
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it was the woman's head falling into his lap while he's in
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the yeah I was like that looks like the scariest movie I've ever seen so I
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stayed up really really late and I watched I've been watch like this horror
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Marathon I think it was like Children of the Corn and like a couple other things
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and then Evil Dead 2 came on and and that like changed my world I was like
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what is this this is like the most brilliant thing I've ever seen it's
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funny it's gross it's crazy yeah it's like weird and trippy and it's awesome
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at the end when he ends up in the medieval times yeah exactly what is and
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then when Army of Darkness came out I remember seeing the movie poster and I'm
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like this is Evil Dead 3 you know I grasp the concept well they should have
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just called it Evil Dead 3 it would have done Gang Busters but Army of Darkness
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when I saw the movie poster I was like I have to go see this thing I'm like I
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finally get to figure out what happened to him when he went back when he went back
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but and I love the series that's on TV and now yeah now whatever what is it 20
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30 years later you can find out even more yeah it's great it you know Sam Ry
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and and Bruce Campbell together should just be like like a Johnny Depp and Tim
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Burton team up or something y it's just great um so yeah then there was uh then
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I went through this like phase where I was trying to watch disturbing movies
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and I like Zoo 120 days of Sodom and Antichrist in a Serbian film and then I
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was like I'm all done with those those aren't really horror movies as much as
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they no yeah no I agree I'm not I'm not into that stuff much they're more for
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the shock value I like Monsters and and a bit of bit of comedy in there and yeah
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yeah I just really like the b-grade the really cheesy ones you ever seen Knight
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of the Demons the original one is that the the demons I think her name's I
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think it's Alice is the name of the uh the evil person in that one and she
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looks like an like a sort of demonic Undead uh black bride you know she's got
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the Dario agento one that's just demons I think yeah yeah you got to see Night
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of the Demons it's it's ridiculous there's there's these really stupid
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effects in it that don't make any sense but you just well that was my my final
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question was going to be is there a favorite guilty pleasure horror movie of
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yours so maybe this counts um but or is
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there something better I think well
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oh man such tough
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questions sorry guilty horror movie
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um geez they're all kind of like I the ones that I'll tell you what the one
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that I watch the most of and it's not a guilty pleasure or anything because it's
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just badass is the thing oh yeah yeah and I would consider that a horror movie
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over a Sci-Fi philm yeah totally it's it's ridiculous John Carpenter is great
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isn't he though he's just like and I really wish he was making more
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movies uh yeah I heard he's coming back to do Halloween again which I'm super
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excited about and um and yeah Halloween is one of those where it gets play once
42:43
a year recently I've been watch uh what was it that came out last year it
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follows I really liked oh yeah Y and then um this year it people are mixed on
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it but I thought it was super creepy was the witch um oh yeah a people went watch
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that I don't know I didn't found it a little boring it was a little dry I
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think like went thinking it was going to be like a satanic blood bath or
43:07
something like that probably why I was expecting more yeah it it it ended up
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being like a period piece with like right yeah see I was a little disappoint
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I mean this is a spoiler sorry listeners if you haven't seen the witch close your
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ears for a second I was a little disappointed that there there was a
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witch at the end you know yeah that's right cuz I was I was actually like the
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scariest thing about that that film I thought was that like I could believe
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that this actually happened in a way like the family all turning on each
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other and stuff yeah well I mean uh the the because it did happen right but yeah
43:38
just having a witch kind of ruined everything well it wasn't that it was
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just a witch there was multiple witches and then that right like yeah it was one
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of these things where you know I was there was no shocks in it there was no
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jump scares it wasn't gory well except for when the baby dies but uh but it it
43:58
sets a tone right from the beginning of like yeah absolutely and then and then
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as it builds you know when she's floating up to the sky at the end of it
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you're kind of like she was [ __ ] from the beginning right yeah she never had a
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shot the devil had her and to think that like these people that you know really
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truly and honestly believe in God and you know they're God-fearing people for
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her to give up everything because she was put in such a awful situation you
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just it's got like this really Dreadful feeling to it and that's why I liked it
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okay it was more a uh it it wasn't like I saw the movie and I was like that
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movie was awesome it was like I walked up and then like 10 minutes later I was
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like man that movie was [ __ ] up yeah that's that's what I like about
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horror movies I like the ones that kind of stick with you I think using jump
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scares too much is pretty cheesy um and it's it's nothing that really gets under
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your skin later on H yeah when there was like that string
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of uh Japanese films that were being remade into American movies like The the
45:05
ring y those first came out like I remember they got some jumps out of me
45:10
and a actually after I saw the ring for the first time it was like I I was in a
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car with my ex-girlfriend and we're like driving to New York or something and I'm
45:19
like it's been seven days we're still alive yeah the the first time I saw The
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Ring the you know the the sequence at the end which just comes out of the TV
45:27
and everything like that that was like that was really cool that's great
45:31
because you think it's over at that cuz I'd never seen that kind of yeah that
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was a new thing to me yeah and then it's very cool and The Grudge too the opening
45:40
for The Grudge like I went to that in Time Square with a couple of my friends
45:45
and they were like holding on to each other they're like oh my
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God is gonna be good so but yeah different time periods different loves
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different kinds of horor movies that I like um cool I I I I really like the
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stylized ones I like practical effects and I just like like super
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cheesy digital CGI ghosts they really piss me
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off you're not aan of Ghostbusters so bad I wanted to love Crimson Peak and I
46:15
it I liked Crimson I liked Crimson Peak overall but yeah I do agree the his
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practical stuff was better so Ghostbusters is all CG is that what you
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said yeah I think so the new one yeah oh wow well I haven't seen it I don't I
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haven't either my wife went to go see it with uh she took my oldest daughter and
46:35
I I think they really enjoyed it so oh I'm sure it will end up on our Shelf at
46:41
home I'm sure it's perfectly fine and inoffensive it's not I don't think it's
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gonna be you know so um but yeah uh
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thanks for talking to me today and I like thanks so much stuff if you ever
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want to talk about spooky stuff again I'm into it we always do yeah cool so
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