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Hell on Wheels” McKenzie Shirilla Kills 2, Demands New Trial · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, we
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  Speaker 1: learned the Ohio Supreme Court rejects a bid from Mackenzie
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  Speaker 1: Shirrilla aka hell On Wheels Sharilla, the subject of a
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  Speaker 1: Netflix documentary quote the Crash quote, demanding they overturn her
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  Speaker 1: murder conviction. But trust me, it ain't over yet. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. That's right. Mackenzie Shrilla aka
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  Speaker 1: hell On Wills takes your case all the way, all
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  Speaker 1: the way to the Ohio Supreme Court, demanding a new
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  Speaker 1: trial based on what because these are the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. One of the two victims dies instantly, the other
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  Speaker 2: does not. Mackenzie Sharrilla was never unconscious, was never unconscious
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  Speaker 2: at the hospital.
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  Speaker 3: It's completely shattered. I can't even put into words how
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  Speaker 3: this has been for an entire family.
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  Speaker 1: They're dead and hell On Will Shirrilla is alive and
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  Speaker 1: making diva demands from behind bars. She insists on being
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  Speaker 1: the queen of the jailhouse. I want you to hear
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  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Shirrilla caught on tape.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but how am I going to make this
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  Speaker 4: one book stretch? You may have to read it a
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  Speaker 4: couple of times.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not reading the same.
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  Speaker 6: Book over and over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Kezzy, I don't know. This is just
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  Speaker 4: this super super sucks.
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  Speaker 7: I guess.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they should have like when you come, they
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  Speaker 4: should be able to give you like a a like
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  Speaker 4: a welcome not a welcome thing, but like you're new.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to take a week to get your commisary.
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  Speaker 1: Here's some a welcome basket at the Big Dollhouse the
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  Speaker 1: women see. I need to hear that again. Did she
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  Speaker 1: actually say she deserved a welcome basket? You please play
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  Speaker 1: that again?
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  Speaker 4: I know, but how am I going to make this
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  Speaker 4: one book stretch? You may have to read it a
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  Speaker 4: couple of times.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not reading the same book over and over and
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  Speaker 6: over and over again.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Kezzy, I don't know. This is just
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  Speaker 4: this super super sucks.
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  Speaker 2: I I guess I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean they should have like when you come, they should
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  Speaker 4: be able to give you like a like a welcome
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  Speaker 4: not a welcome thing, but like you're new. It's going
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  Speaker 4: to take a week to get your commissary. Here's some.
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  Speaker 1: What does she think this is? Doctor Bethany Marshall, The Mandarin,
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  Speaker 1: The Four Seasons, the Ritz Carlton. What does she want?
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  Speaker 1: A spa package which he checks into the c I
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  Speaker 1: Correctional Institute for killing two young, very young men. What
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  Speaker 1: she's whining about having to read the same book.
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  Speaker 8: I think she needs a glass of champagne to go
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  Speaker 8: along with her snack basket, and maybe some movies to
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  Speaker 8: watch while she's at it. You know, Nancy, this fits
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  Speaker 8: the profile of sociopathy or what we call cluster B personality.
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  Speaker 8: Cluster B is when you have narcissism, sociopathy, and borderline
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  Speaker 8: altogether in one person. And this is the kind of
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  Speaker 8: person who would get dysregulated and smash her car at
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  Speaker 8: one hundred miles per hour into a wall. This is
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  Speaker 8: the kind of person who would be self centered, who
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  Speaker 8: would only think about herself. But what's interesting to me, Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: her mother has no moral compass. The mother says this sucks.
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  Speaker 8: What the mother needs to say is, sweetie, you're going
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  Speaker 8: to be here the rest of your life. There are
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  Speaker 8: no there's no champagne, there's no welcome basket, and you're
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  Speaker 8: going to have to read that book again and again.
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  Speaker 8: I think her mother needs to give her the Bible.
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  Speaker 8: I think that's the book she needs to read, and
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  Speaker 8: she needs to stretch that one out as long as possible.
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  Speaker 1: A welcome basket whining, whining that she only has one
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  Speaker 1: book so far. But that's not all.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, we need to just figure out this iPad like ASI,
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  Speaker 6: like I'm so.
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  Speaker 4: For real, and and my visitation is still pending for
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  Speaker 4: my video visits and there's no They're just that they'll
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  Speaker 4: contact me when I'm approved.
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  Speaker 5: So and get all my friends to make them too.
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  Speaker 4: I did. I sent it to everybody. Yeah, this is
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  Speaker 4: gonna suck until you can get your.
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  Speaker 5: Like, it's only three thirty. How is it only three thirty?
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  Speaker 7: For real?
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  Speaker 5: I did not even know it was only three thirty.
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was like five.
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  Speaker 5: It's three thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. The two victims are dead. They're not going to
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  Speaker 1: get to read a book. They're not going to get
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  Speaker 1: to look at an iPad. They're not going to get
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  Speaker 1: to check the watch to see what time it is,
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  Speaker 1: like she is no devid demands for them. Their families
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  Speaker 1: are in intense pain. The victims were very, very young
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of their lives, and their only mistake
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  Speaker 1: was being friends with Helen Wills, Mackenzie Shirrilla. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: have a little reality check joining me, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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  Speaker 1: He is the chief medical examiner out of Fort Worth, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: never a lack of business. He is the star of
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  Speaker 1: a hit podcast which I put on loop before when
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  Speaker 1: I'm driving Mayhem in the Morgue. He is the esteemed
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  Speaker 1: lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, Before I listen to her whiney voice complaining
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  Speaker 1: about not having an iPad and only being given one
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  Speaker 1: book and enlisting all of her friends, they probably won't
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  Speaker 1: touch you with ten foot pole to right the prison
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  Speaker 1: or get involved with some crusade to get her more
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  Speaker 1: amusements behind bars? Can we talk about what happened to
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  Speaker 1: the two victims? How did they die?
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  Speaker 9: So she drove a car at a brick wall or
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  Speaker 9: a concrete wall at one hundred miles per hour and
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  Speaker 9: slammed into it basically head on, but angling it a
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  Speaker 9: little bit so that the passenger side hit, which is
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  Speaker 9: probably why she survived. So the thing is is what
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  Speaker 9: happened to them? Well, it's kind of dependent on if
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  Speaker 9: they have on seatbelts or not. At that high of
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  Speaker 9: a speed, seatbelts and airbag air bags will deploy, but
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  Speaker 9: the seat belts can actually slip up and cause damage.
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  Speaker 9: It can fracture your collar bone and confracture ribs. It
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  Speaker 9: can fracture your pelvis, and if you slight enough, it
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  Speaker 9: can also take your head off. The rear seat passenger
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  Speaker 9: evidently landed on top of the front seat passenger. So
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  Speaker 9: they hit this wall at this high rate of speed,
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  Speaker 9: they're gonna go forward into the dash. They're gonna get
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  Speaker 9: massive skull fracturing. Often it's deforming, where the entire skull fractures,
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  Speaker 9: the skin splits open and the brain comes out, and
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  Speaker 9: then they're gonna get multiple rib fractures, tearing of the
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  Speaker 9: or lacerations that alungs, the heart and then the liver
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  Speaker 9: and bladder as well spleen kidneys. It's all that force
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  Speaker 9: going into your body, and then if you brace yourself
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  Speaker 9: at all, it will fracture your femurs, causing your legs
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  Speaker 9: to fold up back into your body, and it'll also
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  Speaker 9: shatter and sever your spine as well.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a myriad.
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  Speaker 9: Of injuries caused by a high speed head on blunt
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  Speaker 9: force injury car crash.
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  Speaker 1: And yet she says, as she's caught on tape stating, quote,
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  Speaker 1: I'm annoyed.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, we need to just figure out this iPad like
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  Speaker 6: asif like I'm so for.
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  Speaker 4: Real and and my visitation is still pending for my
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  Speaker 4: video visits and there's no They're just that they'll contact
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  Speaker 4: me when I'm approved. So and get all my friends
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  Speaker 4: to make them too. I did. I sent it to everybody. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: this is gonna suck until you can get your.
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  Speaker 5: Like, it's only three thirty. How is it only three thirty?
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  Speaker 4: For real?
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  Speaker 5: I did not even know it was.
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  Speaker 6: Only three thirty. I thought it was like five.
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  Speaker 5: It's three thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Do they not know they're being recorded? So not only
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  Speaker 1: is she demanding an iPad and complaining about the one book,
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  Speaker 1: claiming she's quote annoyed. Did you just hear what doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's described happened to the victims? Their brain coming
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  Speaker 1: out of their skull. And that's what their families get
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  Speaker 1: to think about before they go to bed at night,
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  Speaker 1: when they put their head on their pillow, they think
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  Speaker 1: about their son with his skull cracked open. And she's annoyed,
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  Speaker 1: but there's more now, she says, I'm just so irritated.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, Yeah, I'm so irritated, Like I just need a book, like,
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  Speaker 4: so anything, anything.
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  Speaker 6: Cards, a book, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right, anything would be great. And you shouldn't make wait
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  Speaker 4: that long to get your comment If that's the case,
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  Speaker 4: you know, give me a pad of paper and a
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  Speaker 4: pen for in you know, intro, and then when I
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  Speaker 4: get my commentary, I'll give it back. But it is
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  Speaker 4: what it is. There's nothing we can do about it.
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  Speaker 4: But it's really bad and I'm sorry to make the
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  Speaker 4: person go crazy.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I literally like it's just like there's nothing for
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  Speaker 6: me to do in the nothing.
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  Speaker 1: How about do something volunteering? How about do something, do
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  Speaker 1: better yourself and help other people, not hurt them as
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  Speaker 1: you have already done. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, the
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  Speaker 1: real life star of a Netflix special called The Crash.
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  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Shirrilla aka hell On Wills loses a bid for
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  Speaker 1: a new murder trial in the Ohio Supreme Court after
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  Speaker 1: she kills two people, two young men begging her not
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  Speaker 1: to do it. Prosecutors argue she intentionally drove for Carl
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  Speaker 1: one hundred mph without breaking into a brick Wall in Strongsville,
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  Speaker 1: killing two Dominic Russo just twenty Davion Flanagan just nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: The Ohio Supremes refused to take up this latest appeal.
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  Speaker 1: In this appeal, she wanted to revive a post conviction challenge.
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  Speaker 1: It had been dismissed by the lower courts and the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme's ruled. The petition was filed two and the trial
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  Speaker 1: court lacked jurisdiction to cover it. Translation, the lawyers filed
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  Speaker 1: it in the wrong court, and by the time it
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  Speaker 1: got to the Ohio Supremes it was too late to
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  Speaker 1: file it. They had three hundred and sixty five days
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  Speaker 1: to challenge the conviction. After transcripts are filed, Shrilla filed
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  Speaker 1: her petition one day late. Ouch. These are the facts.
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  Speaker 1: Evidence shows that she threatened to kill the boyfriend. At
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  Speaker 1: first this was thought to be an accident, but then
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  Speaker 1: evidence revealed she never took her foot off the gas.
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  Speaker 1: She wanted to kill him and she did. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: let's go straight out to veteran trial lawyer John Mobley,
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  Speaker 1: founder of the Mobley Law firm Mobley did you hear
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  Speaker 1: did you hear the mom say? Yeah? And you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have to wait for so long to get these things
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  Speaker 1: from the commissary. Oh oh, oh bad commissary. What is
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  Speaker 1: wrong with these people?
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  Speaker 10: Fancy?
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  Speaker 7: You know, I've got to call it like I see it.
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  Speaker 7: You know, from a legal standpoint, despite this young lady's behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Do you start every explanation with I've got to call
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  Speaker 1: it like I see it. Of course you're gonna call
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  Speaker 1: it like you see it. Is somebody paying you or
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  Speaker 1: or convincing you or threatening you to say anything other
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  Speaker 1: than call it like I see it. Okay, that said,
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  Speaker 1: moving forward, going forward, Mobley, We're going to assume you're
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  Speaker 1: calling it like you see it, okay, So no need
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  Speaker 1: to preface everything with I'm going to call it like
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  Speaker 1: I see it. Okay, go ahead. Not to be repetitive,
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  Speaker 1: but please John, call it like you see it.
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  Speaker 10: Actually, I feel kind of threatened right now.
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  Speaker 7: But I will say that I do believe that this
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  Speaker 7: young lady's attorneys and parents have done her disservice just
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  Speaker 7: just based on her history of unstable behavior.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, that's just documented.
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  Speaker 7: And when you look at her behavior while she's in
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  Speaker 7: the prisons system, it is very clear that this young
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  Speaker 7: lady has undiagnosed, untreated mental health issues. And when I
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  Speaker 7: review the history of this case and look at the
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  Speaker 7: defenses that were presented in the first trial, and even
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  Speaker 7: looking at the claim being made by her new attorneys
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  Speaker 7: that are claiming effective assistan of council, I don't see
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  Speaker 7: anywhere her attorneys addressing her mental health issues.
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  Speaker 10: And I do believe.
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  Speaker 7: Again that this young lady's behavior is screaming that she
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  Speaker 7: has severe mental health issues to which she needs counseling therapy.
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  Speaker 1: What she has severe?
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  Speaker 10: What mental health issues?
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  Speaker 1: What mental health? Yes? You know what? Guess what, Mobley.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true? You have a JD A juris doctrine.
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  Speaker 1: That's a yes.
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Is that true?
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  Speaker 10: That is correct?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Are you a trained mental health caregiver?
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  Speaker 7: I'm a trained criminal defense attorney, and I can identify
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  Speaker 7: them to commit conduct.
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  Speaker 10: Have mental health here?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna have to cut or Mike right there
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  Speaker 1: that said, let's go to a real mental health care giver.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall. Now we just heard Mobley give his
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  Speaker 1: unsolicited medical opinion. And unless you got a JD MD,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that coming out of your mouth. Mobley.
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  Speaker 1: Now the law, Yes, doctor Bethany a severe mental health illness.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think her defense lawyers, if she had a
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  Speaker 1: mental health defect, they would have written it on a
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  Speaker 1: banner and driven it up and down Fifth Avenue, that
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  Speaker 1: she had a mental defect. But they didn't. Why didn't they?
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  Speaker 1: And you know they would have because that could have
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  Speaker 1: been a viable defense, but there wasn't. And I know you,
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  Speaker 1: John Mobley, you would have tilled that earth over and
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  Speaker 1: over until you dug up a little rock of mental
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  Speaker 1: de effect, and you would have heralded it up and
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  Speaker 1: now the courthouse halls. But they didn't. Bethany, She's got
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  Speaker 1: a defect, all right. It's called narcissistic historyonic translation drama queen.
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  Speaker 8: Yes she does, Nancy, she does not have any type
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  Speaker 8: of mental disorder. She looks very intact to me. She's articulate,
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  Speaker 8: she's manipulative. You know, when you hear her talking to
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  Speaker 8: her mother, she's making her mother feel sorry for her.
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  Speaker 8: She's drawing her mother in as a sympathetic person. But
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  Speaker 8: she does have your right of personality disorder. As I
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  Speaker 8: said earlier, Cluster b I like histrionic, that's true, very dramatic.
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  Speaker 8: Histrionic is when a person has rapidly shifting emotions that
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  Speaker 8: appear deep in nature, but they're not deep at all.
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  Speaker 8: They're just designed to get attention. She wants as much attention,
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  Speaker 8: not just from her mother, but all of her friends.
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  Speaker 8: So her mother's going to pass this video link around
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  Speaker 8: to all of her friends.
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  Speaker 10: You know who.
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  Speaker 8: It reminds me of Nancy. Remember how Casey Anthony spoke
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  Speaker 8: with her mom. Remember how she whined, she pushed, she begs,
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  Speaker 8: she manipulated, and you know she wanted her mother to
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  Speaker 8: reach out to her boyfriend. Remember that, trying to remember
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  Speaker 8: the name of the boyfriend, and the mother was just
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  Speaker 8: overwhelmed with the daughter did not even know what to.
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  Speaker 1: Do with her John Mobley. Doctor Bethany Marshall is a
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  Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst with mental health training. Unlike you or me,
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  Speaker 1: but you've dealt with enough defendants to know somehow, it's
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  Speaker 1: always me me, me, me, me, me, me me. And
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  Speaker 1: you hear her bossing her mom around, telling the mom
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  Speaker 1: what to do. Narcissistic, histrionic. Those are defects, true, but
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  Speaker 1: they do not rise to a mental defect or insanity
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  Speaker 1: under the law. I'm going out on a limb here
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  Speaker 1: and I'm trusting you, Mobley, because I happen to know
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  Speaker 1: your trial record. It's very impressive. You win a lot
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  Speaker 1: of cases, you make a lot of great settlements. You
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  Speaker 1: know the law.
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  Speaker 4: Law.
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  Speaker 1: This does not rise to insanity.
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  Speaker 7: And I want to be clear on something. And by
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  Speaker 7: the way, I do agree with her statement that the
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  Speaker 7: parents are part of the problem and they enable her
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  Speaker 7: with their behavior. But I want to be clear that
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  Speaker 7: I'm distinguishing between mental defect and disease, which would amount
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  Speaker 7: to legal insanity versus mental health issues with respect to mitigation. Okay,
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  Speaker 7: I do not believe that she was legally insane under
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  Speaker 7: any law of any state.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, I do not believe that.
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  Speaker 7: I do believe that she has mental health issues that
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  Speaker 7: were untreated, undiagnosed, and probably could you know, contribute to
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  Speaker 7: her conduct.
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  Speaker 10: And I believe that if those issues are not addressed.
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  Speaker 7: By proper evaluation, then they could not have been presented
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  Speaker 7: to the corporate mitigation at sentencing, and she cannot. She's
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  Speaker 7: not receiving treatment for it in prison, So you are correct,
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  Speaker 7: she will serve her prison sentence without receiving any appropriate
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  Speaker 7: treatment and get out un There'll.
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  Speaker 10: Be no change.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on I'm flipping through the DSM. You know what
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  Speaker 1: that is because of all your mental defect defenses. You've
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  Speaker 1: tried to put up the Diagnostic Statistic Manual for Mental disorders.
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  Speaker 1: It's now in the fifth edition. I believe I'm looking through.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I found it. Here's her picture of spoil brat syndrome. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there she is. They've got her picture, spoiled brat. Ooh ooh.
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  Speaker 1: I'd love you to raise that defense with me as
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  Speaker 1: a prosecutor. I would be so happy. I would be
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  Speaker 1: parading up in front of that jury with that DSM
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  Speaker 1: in my hand and make them read, to put it
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  Speaker 1: up on a slide for them to have to look out,
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  Speaker 1: and even turn the lights off so there's nowhere to
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  Speaker 1: look but up on the slide. About what is a
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  Speaker 1: spoiled brat defense? You know we saw it before with
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Couch, the affluenza defense. He's just so rich and affluent.
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  Speaker 1: He can't be held guilty because he just didn't know
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  Speaker 1: any better, you know what. Joel Walman joining me co
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  Speaker 1: host and star off Surviving the Survivor, Joel Wollman, do
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  Speaker 1: you hear John Mobley state that she has a male defect?
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  Speaker 1: Could you tell us what really happened.
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  Speaker 10: Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: I did hear that, and I don't owe John personally,
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  Speaker 2: but he's just the criminal defense attorneys have a job
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  Speaker 2: to do, and I respect that job immensely. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I've been in broadcast journalism for thirty years. I'm an
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: observer of people, and I just see this as an
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: absolute tsunami of dysfunction. And Nancy, I'm not saying this.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: You don't yell at me, but I am one hundred
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: percent agreeing with you. I'm the son of a psychiatrist,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the son of a social worker, and to me, the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: diagnosis here is a spoiled brat on steroids. She just
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't know, doesn't have the maturity level as to the
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: seriousness and the gravity of what she committed here, what
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: she has done here. And then you add into the
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: mix here the ingredient that the mother and the father
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: here are complete andablers, her enablers. They are not stopping
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: her and saying, Mackenzie, you are the one responsible for this.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: They are oowing and eyeing her, and it is just
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: like pouring salt in the wound. She needs a reality
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: check because she is not getting out of prison anything soon.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? Wait, every stop everything, screech halt.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Joel Wallman, star co host of Surviving a Survivor. Do
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I have this right? Did hell on wheels miss Thing
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Shrilla expose her breast to a jailhouse visitor?
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: You have that right?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: And this is where it's also a kind of a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: tornado of confusion here, because on the one hand, you
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: have these calls where she is bored to death in jail.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it is only three thirty, it's supposed
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: to be five. And on the flip side, it seems
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: like she's having the time of her life. She's got
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: men who are reaching out to her, she has lesbian
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: relationships going on. I mean, the mother was asked about,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: how do you feel you know that your daughter is
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: having these lesbian relationship in prison, and her response was,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: she's in her twenties, you know. I mean, this is
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: where the insanity is coming from. It is coming from
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the top down, just like in a corporate America, you've
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: got a nutty boss or a CEO, and the culture's
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: gonna be odd.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Woman, you think I care if she's gay, I don't care.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: All I care about are those two dead bodies. Did
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you not hear Kindle Crowns? Excuse me, Kendle Crowns, Doctor
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, Chief medical Examiner, Terran County. He's seen a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: thing or two. Did you not hear him talk about
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the brains coming through the skull? I don't want to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: hear about she had a lesbian relationship. Don't care whatever.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I care about the two dead young men. I care
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: about their families who are sick to their stomachs every
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: morning when they wake up, every night when they go
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to bed, how many tears their pillows are wet because
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: of Srilla. I go give a flying fig who she's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: sleeping with behind bars? I feel sorry for the partner,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But the exposing of her breasts in the jail house
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to a visitor, I want to hear about that. And
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me Walman about thirty six tickets
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: behind bars?
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I mean this is one of like you said, thirty
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: six tickets and fractions in prison. One of them is
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: having I guess, alleged tablet sex. For lack of a
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: better phrase, I don't know what the kids are calling
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: it these days, but yeah, she's had.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: What did you just say, alleged tablet sex. I don't
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: think that's what it's referred to, but just go ahead.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so some of this is going on, and apparently
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: she and a female partner. The female partner was seen
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: on camera Askeenzie Shirrilla was I believe she pleaded guilty
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: in that particular infraction. And then she's got, you know,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a forty six year old guy who reached out here.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering who that forty six year old person is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Who's interested in a twenty one year old who's gonna
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: be spending many years behind bars. But I mean, the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: point I raised earlier is just confusing. Is on the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: one hand, she's whining and complaining to her mom about
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: how bad prison life is, and then she's having, you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: enjoyment on the flip side. So the public image that
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: they are creating is not one of good optics. And
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that's really what I think the family needs to be focused.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: On crime stories with Nancy Gray hill on Wheels aka Mackenzie,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Shirrilla's lawyers argued her petition for post conviction relief should
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: be considered because the filing deadline failed during a leap year. Okay,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: both the lower court and the Ohio Supremes laughed that
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: out of the courtroom. The victims' families say, however, it
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: brought them a little comfort. And this is why I'm
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: hearing in my ear. We are now joined by Cheyenne Topping.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: This is Srilla's girlfriend behind bars, and also Christine Russo
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is joining us. This is the victim, one of them,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Dominic Russo's sister. She is the host of the Big
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Sister Unhinged podcast, and she's trying to keep the legacy
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: of her brother's life alive. You know what, Christine, I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: respect that so much. I did something in another way
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to keep the memory of my fiance who was murdered alive,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to help other people because in a way, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: it keeps me connected to him, and the thought of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: just forgetting about what happened is well, I can't do that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: It changed my whole life, as it has yours. When
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you hear her whining to the mother who totally empowers
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: her that she can't get an iPad fast enough and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have enough amusements, amusements behind bars, exposing her
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: breast to a visitor. She's not worried at all about
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Dominic or what happened.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: No, that's and I really appreciate you bringing to light
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: and exposing her and everybody in that you know that
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: has anything to do with her. I appreciate you helping
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: our family bring that to light and exposing them for
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: who they are. They've done a pretty good job. I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: think of exposing themselves as you can hear what's going on,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: but it's I try to stay away as best as
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I can, you know, scrolling through social medias and stuff.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I can't stand looking at her face, the whining behind
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: prison bars. It's like she's not getting there is no punishment.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: It seems like, yeah, she's in jail, but she seems
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: to be having a great time in jail. And that's
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: where it's infuriating.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Listen to Mackenzie Sharrilla up behind bars.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: The rumor mill is strong, Okay, damn strong, as though
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: people are so sad and depressing, like they really have
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: like nothing, like credible nothing. This is the saddest town.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, open up my courtroom for.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Like the whole city to.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Come and just like last stream at all and like
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: don't block anything, right right, that's all on the news.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Yep, that's why I was hoping this one was going
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: to be live streamed, but it wasn't.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: No, the end was, but not the whole thing. Just
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: what the judge says was live stream. But I was
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: hoping the whole thing would have done, but it wasn't.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: So that's okay, who cares? They're so stupid Sony's.
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I just can't wait for them to.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Like maybe have so much explaining to do, Like there's
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: so many like unanswered talking out of their they have
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: so much explaining today. Joining me now. In addition to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Christine Russo, who is dominant older sister, her podcast is
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the Big Sister Unhinged podcast, Cheyenne Topping, who is intimately
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: familiar with the goings on behind bars with Mackenzie Shrilla.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: The diva demands are insane, Cheyenne, and now she's complaining
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: her entire trial was not livestream just the end. What
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: is wrong with her?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that definitely sounds like McKenzie because she is a
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: person that is like very self absorbed, So I'm not
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: even surprised to hear that conversation coming from her and
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: her mom.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Honestly, the diva demands seemingly have no end. She's gotten
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: thirty six tickets behind bars? What is a ticket? How
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: do you get a ticket behind bars? Cheyenne topping.
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: So I took it as a rule in fractions, or
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: if you break one of the rules, which I give
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: you a handbook when you come in, when you very
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: come in, and if you break one of those, it's
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: basically court inside of prison. So you'll go in front
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: of the sergeant. He'll read you your ticket, which could
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: be like an out of place or as y'all see,
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: she has like sex tickets. That's where you're like intimate
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: with another inmate. So you'll go in front of the sergeant.
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: He'll read it and then ask you guilty or not guilty,
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: and if you're guilty, and if it's a high enough ticket,
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: you go to the whole. If not, you get like
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: tablet restriction or early bed stuff like that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: You know, did she seem to care when she would
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: be reprimanded or get a ticket as it is called
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: behind bars.
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: When I was in there with her, she really did
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: care about getting tickets. She did not want to get
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: tickets because she firmly believed she was going home on
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: her appeal. So now that all this is coming out,
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: I'm not surprised because she did showing her true character
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: and I could tell she's gonna be on a path
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: to destruction, honestly.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: More Mackenzie Shrilla a k A hell on wheels caught
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: on tape.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I think that's why this is so popular because it's
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: it's a mystery, but it's not it is you know.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: What I mean?
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, like, can you like get a hypnotized person
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: in the SCE, like make me remember, Like that's what
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: I would like.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I know me too, Honey, could just.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Also broke your This guy is so big a lemeo.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Like I watched the live stream and when you walk in,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: I was like, damn, Jay said the same thing, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: you look really good. Did you get that off your
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: arm yet? I know if you weren't wearing your arm thing. Also,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: I will make sure to answer your call. It's kind
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: your funniest.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Everybody's saying you got a bumping little booty now.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Everybody said hashtag fat.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Booty, hashtag sick girl vie pashtag fat booty. Okay, Shyanne
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: topping you dated her behind bars for nearly a year
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: she's worried or bragging. She's not worried. She's bragging about
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: her ass and how it looked on camera.
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: Mackenzie is just a whole nother, whole other world when
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: it comes to the attention, positive or negative. She loves
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: it all. It doesn't matter what it's for. Like she'd
• 30:30
  Speaker 11: walk around in prison and ask people do you want
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: my autograph? Or ask the ceosa do you doesn't know
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: who I am? I'm a viral.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Now we hear Mackenzie Shrilla aka hell On Wheels killed
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: two people intentionally found guilty, talking about feeling sick to
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: her stomach. But she's not feeling sick to her stomach
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: because of what doctor Kenel Crowns just told us about
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: what happened to the victims. You know what, I'm not
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: gonna tell you wait for it. Listen to this.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: I'm like sticking to my stomach. I just like it
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: just like bothered me what they said, Like I just
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: can't believe they would say that, Like to.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I was, I mean, the military, are you for real?
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Oh my mom?
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: That's a lie. That's a lie.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Isn't that funny?
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: They were trying to say that so they can make
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: him sound like well, I think he said that. So
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: like the judges like, oh, he sounds very respectable young man, and.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: So they hit me like kid.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, are you kids?
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Literally like made my tears stop when they said that, Like,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: my tears just got.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: All stocked right back up.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: I couldn't even believe it down, would you decide? His freakerself?
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: So she is sick to her stomach, nauseated about how
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: she was portrayed. Joel Walman co host and start off
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: surviving the Survivor. I think her priorities are best awkwards.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: One hundred and I'm just thinking about all this, listening
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: to all the guests, and I really literally cannot wrap
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: my head around it. I mean, you just saw Jalen
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Brunson the Knicks one and they asked him afterwards, how
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: do you feel? He said, I have no words. And
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: That's kind of where I'm at right now as a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: journalist because I've never seen anything like this. The only
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: thing I can really come up with right now, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid to say this is Mackenzie Sharilla might be
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the first of many that we see like this because
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: of social media. She is, you know, obviously the TikTok generation,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and they're now becoming old enough to be incarcerated. And
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: are all these people who are spending their entire days
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: streaming video of themselves, are they going to be incarcerated
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: one day? And wonder where are the live cams because
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: that's what we're seeing in real time right now with
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Mackenzie Sharilla. She is having a tantrum that she's not
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: getting the attention that she deserves that she used to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: have on the outside when she was freely able to tick.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: On another issue, John Mobley, if by some crazy chance
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: there is a new trial, you do know that she
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: is currently making any hope of a mental defense. Mental
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: defect defense are insanity impossible because there is no right
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to privacy behind bars. These calls are rightfully and legally recorded.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I would bring in everyone and just play them on
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: a loop for the jury.
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: I agree.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: I'm I actually kind of surprised that she's making these
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: statements while she's behind bars, because any competent attorney would
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: tell someone not to do that, because if you are
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: able to get a new trial, any post trial statements
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: you make, they're not you know, while you're in custody,
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: do not make the long enforce and a violation Miranda,
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: all those steps can be used against you either a
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: in the prostitution's case in cheap or be extended.
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: And I think you know, and.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: Quite frankly, it kind of bitter in the behind of
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: Sentaceen in the first case, because a lot of the
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: social media posts she made and comments she made were
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: used at the sentence and even by the prosecutors because
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: and the prosecutors argue she didn't have any more sort
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: of conduct which led to hers even a different sentence.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: And I think again, she just come from that point
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: digging herself in the hole deeper and deeper and deeper.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: If she doesn't that get in.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: The try listen to what Shirrilla's father has to say.
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: She has remorse, She was upset. If you would have
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: heard her when she found out that dom died, if
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: you would have heard the sound that came out of her,
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: it would have crushed you. I know my daughter didn't
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: do it on purpose. I know when my daughter lies.
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: My daughter should have been charged with vehicular homicide two counts,
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: and juvie courten it should have never left. The juvenile
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: judge took out the aggravated murder thing for the same
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: reason I'm saying they should have never charged her in
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: because there's there's no intent, there's no prior calculation, there's
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: no purpose. It's not there.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I actually feel bad for the dad he is struggling
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: with the concept of intent to commit a crime. Intent
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: can be formed just like that, in the blink of
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: an eye, the twinkling of a moment, and the time
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it takes you to pull a trigger. That's how fast
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: intent under the law can be formed. It does not
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: require a long thought out plan like poisoning someone over
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: weeks and months. It can be formed in the dime
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it takes you to pull a trigger. So with her,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: as was proven in court, not taking her foot off
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the gas, Let's see that video of her flying by
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: right there, there's intent there you go crashing and killing
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: two people? Is time enough to form intent? Cheyenne Topping
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: joining us Shrilla's prison girlfriend for nearly a year. She
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: is trying everything possible to get a new trial, and
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: she's got both of her parents bemboozled. Does she know
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: she's got them wrapped around her little finger?
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: She one hundred percent is that they're all on her
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: side and going to be wrapped around her fingers. She
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: told me from in prison that they're all behind her,
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: and even like they told me, diamonds them and says
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: there was all behind her too as well.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Straight out to Christine Rousseau, this is Dominic's older sister
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and star of the Big Sister Unhinged podcast. There is
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: no remorse. Has she ever told you I'm sorry, I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: didn't mean for this to happen.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: No, she never told me she was sorry. She acted
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: before she was arrested. She very much acted like it
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: was an accident, but there was a ton of lies
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: and you know her trying to cover up the entire time,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: but there was never responsibility taken or like an actual
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry whatsoever.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Back to doctor Kendall, Crown's renowned medical examiner. When you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: hear all of these diva to me from behind bars,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and we know an appeal is in the works, could
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you again a reality check, give us a reality check
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: about what the victims cause of death or.
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: So the cause of deaths are blunt force injuries. All
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: these injuries, the skull fractures, the brain evulsion, the crushing
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: the chest, the explosion of their heart and lungs, liver,
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: even their intestines, all these combined together to make the
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: cause of death blunt force injuries. It's not a dramatic
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: cause of death, but it overlies the fact that they
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: have all these crushing injuries, fractures of the ribs, pelvis,
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: their legs, even their extremities, and then the crushing of
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: the head. So cause of death is blunt force injuries.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: And when you listen to all her demands, you know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: she just kind of sounds sad to me, But that's
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: my opinion.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Sad. She sounds like a self entitled, spoiled brat who
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: cares nothing about the fact that she killed two people
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and threatened she would kill the boyfriend ahead of time.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Shrilla is a camera hog, a real diva, and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: she was only egged on by the Netflix documentary The Crash,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: released in May. But trust me, with her mother Natalie
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Shrilla egging her on, this fight is far from over.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds and the fight goes on.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's crime story is signing off. Good Bye Friend,