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The Soul of the Game: Training Within · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, here we go.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: What's up, BD?
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Happy Friday, L.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, thank God it's Friday, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm happy to be here.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's say a prayer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before we pray, I know last week we talked about um AI being smart.
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  SPEAKER_01: And towards the end, we talk about, hey, let's talk about teammates and the soul.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I think there's so much to the soul.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just camp out on that today.
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  SPEAKER_01: So before we start, and let's everyone who's tuned in, let's say a quick prayer together just to get our minds and our hearts, you know, tuned into God.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, God, good afternoon, morning, evening, wherever people are listening.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: But for right now, at this moment, we want Brian, I want to come to you and just we want to humble ourselves, guide our conversations.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Father, and those that are listening, I pray they could just join in and just God, teach us what you want us to learn.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Help us help our minds and our thoughts just get that much closer to you, that much more aware of who you really are, and honestly, God, who we really are as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: We love you, we need you.
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  SPEAKER_01: In Jesus' name I pray.
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  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna talk about the soul.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, so BD, real quick before we go, you know, I gotta put the disclaimer out here.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I'm like, hey, people who have podcasts or things online, they're usually experts in their field.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: You already have a master's degree, you're getting your master's right now.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: But I just want to put this out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think we're certified because we're both people who've given up a lot for God because we love in the past, you gave up what will be equivalent to five million dollars with your corporate account with with uh I know that price stings a little bit to be reminded.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry we don't have to talk about it every week.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: But just for those who are tuned in for the first time, I just feel like it was in my heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, we're not we're not the most godly, but we're certified that man, we've got some scars and some hurts that we put it all out there for God.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I've given up things much smaller scale, but still we're certified disciples because we love them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, we're gonna put that out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: A reminder.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so Brian, what it let's talk about the soul.
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  SPEAKER_01: What define that for us, bro?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: What is a soul?
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I think it's something great to talk about because uh, as you mentioned, I'm in a Baylor program, it's theology and sport, it's through the uh Truett School of Seminary and centered in in Waco, Texas.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, I'm online, but in one of my first classes in my theology class, the professor asked, he said, How would you guys define soul?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's very interesting.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a lot of different different definitions of soul ranging from like uh 70s RB groups where you're like soul, you know, to um you know, to other ways it's used, soul to soul was a group, an RB group.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I do I think the best way is go to the dictionary.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I've got a Webster's uh Miriam Webster's definition: a soul is a spiritual or immaterial part of a human being that many believe gives life to the body and may live forever after death.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that because it's not something you can see, but it is within a person.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, I think about the saying, oh, he's an old soul.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's something about that person that you go, okay, he seems wise beyond his years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, he might have more poise or more perspective.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: But so, yeah, I'd say it's something you can't see.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think of with that definition, what I like most is it gives life to the body.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I love it, man.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's really good stuff.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's go to the other side where it's maybe I'm gonna just say this.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't talk about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the Kevin Garnett definition of it.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: This just means like, hey, just raw real.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I think the soul and what's in a person, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: When things get hard, man, what you find out that's in them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think of Carpent Garnett, because he's like, what you see is what you get.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, whatever's in him comes out when he talks, right?
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's just land on that as a layman definition, someone who's only got a bachelor's bro.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just hey, what's what's deep inside of that?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what's deep, yep.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so here's a curveball question I got for you because this is a hoops talk here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all right, you ready?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what song, park, or movie captures the soul of basketball to you?
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: What song or movie or place captures the soul of basketball?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta admit, I'm partial to movies that came out when we were growing up.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: So if I'm gonna list off movies, you know, oh man, one of the first ones I saw was Hoosiers.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think Hoosiers has soul in a in a maybe a different way, but the soul of Indiana basketball, really in Hoosiers.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, I think about He Got Game.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think about Above the Rim.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's a good one.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: Coach Carter's pretty good, and then I I got in documentaries.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: One of the first ones was Hoop Dreams, which took place in Chicago, huge Arthur AG, William Gates, but there is a there is a movie I remember getting on VHS called Soul on the Whole.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh uh, which talks about hey, I had it that was mine.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I see you.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so all right.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a great surprise question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, L.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I had to choose one song that describes the soul of the game, I'm gonna choose a song that we used to play in junior college before we played basketball.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: We put on music, it was the first song we always played.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: You might remember this.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember the movie Belly?
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  SPEAKER_00: I do, not the most Christ-like movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, but it was hip hop during the time.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was, yeah, it was special.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember the intro?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, is it?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: I know Nori had a song in there that was pretty hot, but I don't remember the intro.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: So the intro is um soul to soul, however do you want me?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's uh a cappella, and then about two minutes in, the beat hits.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's however do you want me?
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, however, do you need me?
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, however, do you want me?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Hit that note, B.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hit that note, however, do you need me?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then it's like, uh do you know what I'm talking about?
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: I recognize it, but I don't remember the belly version.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I remember the RB version.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that song when the when the beat comes in, and it's you'll recognize it, it's a break beat that's been used for yeah, decades in hip-hop.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that captures the soul to me of basketball.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, okay, yeah, there's something with hip hop.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for thanks for sharing that, B.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you did pretty good at hitting the notes, those notes, man.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: That was all Jesus, bro.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Never hit it in my life, probably won't ever hit it again.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I'm gonna throw an image up here of what captures the soul of basketball to me.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, rucka park, rucker park, bro, dude.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: I drove through New York one time and it was like time stopped because the greats played there, the park, basketball, you know, like there's something about Rucker Park that just to me captures the soul of basketball.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: Man, did you you drove by there?
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: Not Rucka Park, but it was like on the bridge, you could see all of New York.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I just thought of like Ruckah Park, New York, yeah, hip hop, hoops.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: That is a dream.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Girl, man and goat, you know, the goat, man.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's a dream.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been God has taken me some great places through the game.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: I've never been there, I've always wanted to go.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one of my JUCO coaches, the Iceman, Harold Wright.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: We were getting ready before practice, and he he always worked early, so he took off his work clothes.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: He had on a rucker park jersey.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Did you play at the rucker?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he and he looked at me like, Man, what do you think?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Of course I played at the rucker.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: So he took it off and gave it to me, bro.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I had it forever, but um, rucker park soul, holy ground, man.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the soul is something as we talk about it's some something sacred, something meaning, something deep inside.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna read a verse here, and then I want you to take away and talk more about why the soul is uh, yeah, about the soul.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but Jesus here he says, one of the teachers, well, the Bible says, one of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: He asked them, Of all the commandments, which is the most important?
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  SPEAKER_01: The most important one answered Jesus is this hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and all your strength.
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  SPEAKER_01: Second is this to love your neighbor as yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is no commandment greater than these.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why is that number one most important commandment in your opinion?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, so good.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I love the passage.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think, man, when I was first learning the Bible, it did feel I don't know if you felt this way.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like it's a lot of rules.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Even Christianity is like, you can't do this, you can't do that.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Come to find out that in the first five books of the Bible in the Torah, there's over 600 commands, it's like 613, something like that.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh Pharisees or different people kind of they're like basically their life's dedicated to not breaking the rules.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: And um, when I when I heard this definition from Jesus, where he says the most important commandment is to love God with all your all your heart, all your soul, your mind, all your strength, to me, it felt like there's a direction to go, not something to um to tiptoe around or not do.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so I needed that.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: I needed to say instead of focusing on not doing 613 things, focus on here's what you do.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, you know, love, love God, heart, soul, mind, strength.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and um, and then you know, and then over the years find out okay, he's referencing Deuteronomy 6.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I also think it's cool, like that Jesus is able to encapsulate every rule with this.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're going, if you're doing this, then you're not breaking one of the 613.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you're aiming for God with everything, you're gonna end up natural, natural, well, not naturally, but by will, thought, and soul following all those rules.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what you're saying?
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: That mentality, like an aim versus, I mean, even today, it's like there's certain things, bro, I'm trying not to do every day.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: I do not want to sin.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: So if I set out on my day going, okay, I hope I don't do this, and I hope I don't look at this, and I hope I don't think about this, versus, you know what?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: I here's the direction I am gonna go.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna love God with all my heart, soul, mind, strength.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, I want it makes me think of, you know, obviously this is a PTR for it.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: So we're tying in sports and integrating it with it with it.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: As a D1 athlete and you play professional ball as well.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Was that hey, when it came game time, was it, you know what?
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: I know the plays, I know what I'm supposed to do, bat screens, and you know what I don't know, basketball terminology stuff, but like, hey, you know what?
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: But it's game time, it's about winning, dominating, do what I gotta do, but also running the play.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, yo, so help me talk to me about that balancing of like, I'm dominating, I'm gonna win this game, but also try to like work within the game plan.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I think it's I think that's that's Christianity in a nutshell.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a book uh I've got my shelf, but it's basically it's uh uh how how basketball can save the world.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Love that book, right?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: I know we really connected over this book.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Great book.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Phenomenal ideas that of course it it can't save the world.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Jesus is the only one that can save the world.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: However, there there's some great things on just how how much it can help people.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember this analogy from the book that was like, even in the creation that Naismith created the game, you have freedom within boundaries.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and that's basketball.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: So you're you're gonna have freedom to make a read within the play.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some some coaches and teams more freedom than others, but I think that's the key is you wanna you wanna play with all your heart and you want to uh follow the play and the plan, but at the end of the day, if it's between running the play exactly right and playing with heart and making a read, you're gonna have to be trusted to make the read.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bro, I love that.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: You can get lost if you get caught up so caught up in trying to find every follow every exact play, you're gonna miss what's best in the field.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: So same thing with Christianity, it totally makes sense.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Religious people get so caught up with following every little law, every little detail, yeah.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: But there's hey, don't forget the soul, the spirit, you know, there's so much move room in there where it's trust, and you've got to think and be able to like give your heart.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bro.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then I would I would ask you too, L, as as you as you get older, do you feel yourself, does it get more challenging to not become like, oh, you young guys gotta follow these rules?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, do you feel yourself get that way a little bit?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think as we get older, it might be it might be tough.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about it?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, great question.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for asking.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm kind of a rebel by nature.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: I like to do my own thing, I think outside the box, and which helps me in my business as well.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm always trying to find other ways to gain market share.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: But so, with that, as I've gone older, I've actually meditate so much more now because I've got to find God's heart.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, bro, it made me think, and hopefully this connects with some of the athletes.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: David, a man after God's own heart, one of the greatest kings Israel ever had, wrote so many of the Psalms in the Bible.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right, nowhere in the old testament did it say, if there's a lion or a bear getting ready to attack a sheep, kill it.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't say that, but I'm just saying, like, David, he's like, Hey, you coming from my sheep, I'm killing this bear.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm killing this lion, right?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: And we know when he went to war with Goliath, people missed this part of the Bible so much, which incenses me, bro.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when he went to war with David, he stood up for God, like, hey, how dare you ridicule my God?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna fight you.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, what does he do after he throws the slingshot and kills Goliath?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: He takes Goliath's sword, his own sword.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm gonna take your sword, yeah, and I'm gonna cut your head with cold blood.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then let's like the birds feed on him.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't, there's nowhere in the Bible where it says, hey, well, after you after you defeat somebody, make sure you uh you appropriately, you know, now there's something about hey, God wants, hey, what's deep inside of you that you're willing to give me everything and do it with passion and love, obviously with respect.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't go around killing people.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we're not saying that, but hey, when it comes to loving God, I'll give up my job at Amazon.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: I will not curse on the court.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: My my coach is being harsh on me and not letting me play, and I'm the better player.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm gonna choose to trust God more than I trust myself.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know what?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever it takes to obey God, I'm you know what, I'm gonna go even harder in practice.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, I digress to come back to your question.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: As I gotten older, I've learned some things are not specifically said in the Bible, and that's where you gotta find God, but at the same time, not be afraid to be that dog, right?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: That you know what?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna win this battle against Satan, and I'm gonna win this battle against my simple nature.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's great, man.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I think it's so important in the church, you know, as our churches uh grow and develop, and as youngsters start and get older is adapting to a different generation, um, loving God with all their hearts, soul, mind, strength in different ways.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and instead of me saying, like, maybe that's not that's not a traditional way we do things, to look at first, are they doing that?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll give you an example.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: We're at this Northwest Conference in Portland, uh, this little town called Hillsboro, and so uh in worship, you know, um, our teens and some of our young campus, certain songs, they rush, they rush up to the stage and they like get hype, they jump, they kind of almost mosh a little bit.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and saws in the back.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, there's an older cat, and he's like, I don't think they should be doing that, you know, like some respect, you know.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I was kind of like, Man, I I I actually love the heart.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, there's a couple times in songs I'm like, I wish we were we more people were up jumping around, you know.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, so I think as an example to say, like, hey, if this generation, if they want to dance, you know, almost like David, but with their clothes on, like if they want to dance and go crazy, and I'm not used to that.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: I I first gotta say, is that their way to love God and connect with God with all their heart, soul, mind, strength?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Then amen.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, yeah, absolutely, man.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, they banned the Jordan ones, like, oh, you can't have color playing basketball.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you know what?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Man, this is art, this is my expression.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: This is like so.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: I almost even want to say, I think God likes someone who's not afraid to go against the grain, right?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's inside of you that's obviously within the lanes of holiness and goodness and love, right?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, go go, let what's in your soul out.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, you know what I mean?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: But I totally agree.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that story about young people, man.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, that's awesome, man.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's another thing that the scripture reminded me of.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, uh, when we were in Israel, there's this uh museum called Yad Vashem, and I think it means in Hebrew, I think it means the disaster, but it's about the Holocaust.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and there's this uh they have these videos playing of testimonies, and I'll never forget this one guy's testimony, bro.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I know it's kind of heavy, but but this path anytime I see this what's referred to in Deuteronomy as a Shema, I think about it, and um, and I'm probably not saying that right, but that's you know, they they call this prayer the Shema, and they say it often.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so basically, this family of Jews is in a camp, and there's like a grandfather, his sons, and then his grandsons, and the um the soldiers take them out and they're they line them up in a line to execute them.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so the way he tells the story is there's a pit of dead bodies in front of them, and they're on the edge of the pit.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so the grandfather's on the far left, and the executioner, the guys are talking and they're about to shoot, and the the person telling the story is a grandson, and he said that he heard his grandfather start to repeat the schema.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, wow, and so he heard him say, Hero Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, as soon as he heard the first line, the grandson fainted because it was just too much to handle, right?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he's just like in the moment, he just fainted, but when he fainted, he fell forward and he fell in front of his dad, and then all the other men were shot, and they fell on top of the grandson.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, so the grandson didn't actually get shot and he waited in there for hours until he stopped hearing shots, and then he crawled out and he lived.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I think about the that prayer became sacred to him, you know.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, that's a moment you don't you don't forget, and a legacy his grandfather left was even in this moment where I'm about to die, what am I gonna do?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say the prayer I said every day about loving God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I think about it, um actually got a hanging in my in my room here, is in tough moments.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: I want to remember that, like have the courage of that man to in my tough moments, I pray I can love God with my heart, soul, mind, and strength, you know.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, thanks for sharing that story.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's uh it's intense, but I love it.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're right.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: And your most scariest, and that's I guess it leads me to this question, and you answered it because how do we find out what's in our soul into that story, that wonderful story when we're in hard situations?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right, pray you know, God.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Bless those who gone through the Holocaust and the family that suffered after that.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but now we live in a country where you're free to do what you want to do, and mostly, you know, things are getting a little crazy now, but like how hardships reveal what's in your soul?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: So what do you yeah?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess my question to the to the listeners, what do you do when hardships reveal things that are not biblical or of God?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what are you gonna do with that?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: So how does someone, Brian, become like that grandfather where in your soul, in the face of death, in the face of the most fearsome evil, I will hold on to God, not just do what I'm supposed to, but like I am not afraid.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I'm gonna be, this is what I'm about.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, I think training, you know, training our soul, and um, I think we come back to a lot of the same stuff in our talks, L.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's usually something around the word, around prayer, and around people and brotherhood.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: But I think, man, my my soul's been trained by men around me.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've learned from women, I've learned from men, people to look up to in the faith.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, I think that's that's part of this idea of win souls, right?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Is that you know what?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Anything that I experience, small or large, can it help my soul to be more committed to God?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and so how you know your question on how I think it's throughout my day, the small decisions to want to dedicate whatever I'm doing towards God, and then if I can build that up, when it really gets tough, I can stand firm.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll say this that some of the toughest as I get older, as we get older, bro, life's tough, you go through challenges.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: There is a special place for the Christian at the foot of the cross when you are struggling, you maybe have lost something material or your health or a relationship, yeah, and your body's tired, yeah, but your soul is strong.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like it's you know, it's dark, it's uh is it night of the dark soul or something like that?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I don't know the exact title, but I'm talking about the a Pope wrote it, he was or John Paul, something like that.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, phenomenal.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Worth it's like in the darkest moment, if my soul is right with God, there's a peace that comes from that.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I don't know, but that's the best I could say.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Start small and then endure challenges.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: I want to put this out to every athlete listen to this D1 Pro, college, high school.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care, you know, Lucas teammates, you know, in high school.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when you're at practice and you're tired running those drills, man, like use that as an opportunity where my body's weak, my mind wants to tell me no.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Use that as an opportunity to pray to God.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: God give me, use as opportunity to strengthen my soul.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: That God, like in hard times when I feel like quitting because it's so hot, or I'm in a game or losing, and I want to give up.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Use that as an opportunity to tap into your soul, to like train that to like, you know what?
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I will never give up, I will never back down, I will always believe.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to put that charge out there to every athlete listening.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Use any hardship in practice or game as an opportunity train your soul.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: What are some other ways they practically they can do that, bro?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Before we wrap up here.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think that's why fasting is such a great discipline.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, fasting, whether it's from food, from music, um, but challenging ourselves, you know, I was I'm inspired.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know how a quote, you don't know exactly who said it.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's a quote and they they credit it to Crazy Horse, the native warrior, but it says, Today's a good day to die.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like he used to say that apparently um before going on the battlefield like every day, be like, today's a good day to die, you know.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I think um one way to strengthen my soul would be to challenge it.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: And um, in the same way you build up, you know, you go to the weight room to challenge your body, to challenge my soul in that way.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good, bro.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: That Jesus says the same thing, right?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Luke 9, 23, whoever will come after me, he must deny himself and carry his cross daily.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so Jesus has the same thing like, hey, if you really want to be a disciple, if you really want to win souls, it's gonna mean today's a good day to die.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bro.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Luke 9, and then I'd say you want we want the opposite of you know what one of the coldest lines, one of the coldest bars Jesus did.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, oh, you said bars with Jesus, okay.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, oh yeah.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: I I've I just imagine him saying this, and I think I have the I have a 1984 NIV.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I think he says the spirit is willing, but the body's weak, or the flesh is weak.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just I just imagine Jesus telling me, yeah, man, your spirit is willing, but your body's weak.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like strengthen yourself.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so yeah, but that's what I don't want to hear.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I want, okay, yeah, yeah.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: In the 1984 NIV, um, it says he returned the disciples in verse 40 of chapter 26.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: He returned the disciples and found them sleeping.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: He asked Peter, watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, like dang!
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's that's awesome because we put so much focus on body.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Let me work out, let me eat right, let me get this right amount of sleep, which is important.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: We put a lot of energy in our mind.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Let me read education, podcasts.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: But how much do we put like, hey, those things are weak?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Why not tap more into the soul when that is willing?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's got more power.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you used to say this in college, you told this to me soul over mind, like, right?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, because you mind over matter, soul over matter.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's soul over mind, you know.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and now, okay, we're we're just riffing here, but and we're going over time, but it's crazy how things connect because you were talking about building soul and about that.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: In that passage, Jesus, before he prays three times, he says, My soul is overwhelmed to the point of death.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, then he prays three times.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, what that's telling me is when the soul is overwhelmed, you know, his his his body was strong enough and disciplined enough, when his soul was overwhelmed, he prayed.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, okay, what do I do when my soul feels overwhelmed?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's so true, bro.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: I never paid attention to that.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: I always just thought, okay, he was physically or emotionally felt overwhelmed.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: I never paid attention that he specifics to my soul feel he said if Jesus' soul felt overwhelmed to the point of death, and he was God, right?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm right definitely gonna be susceptible to some intense challenges.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: So you're right, yeah.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and I wonder if he was coaching those disciples up for a future because they're gonna be overwhelmed, and so he's like, Hey, this when your soul's overwhelmed, you pray, and then he's like, Peter, can you pray?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Peter's catching Z, and he's like, Come on, man, sleeping, bruh, bruh.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: You're weak, bro.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's a good direction on when we do feel overwhelmed, what to do with that, you know.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's encouraging, man.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: I hadn't thought about that, but you asking that question kind of made me think about that.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so sounds like more work needs to be in the soul.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, one last question.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know we're we're riffing right here, but I want to make sure we touch on this.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so what is the work of a YMCA physical director?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know that you tell me, you know, so much of this is about calling back to the founder of the YMCA, founder of basketball.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, can you talk about that and then we'll close out?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um this one of the first things that inspired me is uh Nay Smith learning about him.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so basically, YMCA was up and running.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't he didn't found it, but he got a job there.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and so he could have gone to lead a church, but he decided I'm gonna go to the YMCA.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: At that time, it wasn't welcome to go into sports, it was kind of looked at as sports and faith are in opposition to each other.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: So he did something that wasn't real popular, and then he had to fill out an application, just like we do, you know, but it wasn't online.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: So he had this, he had this application in person, and so they kept, they have his original application, and the 24th question says, What is the work of a YMCA physical director?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: And his answer is to win men to the master through the gym.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the master being Jesus, and so his whole mission was, you know what, whatever I do, I'm gonna win these young men to Jesus.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then I think the idea of win that's that captures all of us as competitors, we want to win, yeah.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: But he he's like, No, I want to win young men to Jesus, dude.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I just love the whole mission that he was on, and then of course, from that mission, he did create basketball, and I think that was God saying, I'm gonna bless your mission, and you're gonna have an opportunity through basketball to win young men to Jesus.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: So to kind of close it all out full circle, bro.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: So the true soul of basketball, okay, oh okay, okay, bro.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, bro.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, the true soul of basketball, yeah, is to win others, to help others know God.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, man, that that is the true soul of the game, man, bro.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, any last things you want to say before you pray to closes out, bro?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good day to die.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: I better not lose my temper with my kids or my wife today.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know, right?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, it's great, bro.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you want me to pray it out?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Father God, uh, thank you for this time to connect with L and just stop.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Just take a stop, cease from work in our day.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Think about you, think about sports and connect as brothers.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, thank you for where you led the conversation today about soul.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Something that uh we all, you know, it's it's not easy to define at all times.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but if it's a part of the greatest commandment, it's it's important for us to think about and learn from.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: And uh thank you for the the heart and idea to deny ourselves, to strengthen our soul, to pray to you when our soul is is overwhelmed.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um also the the fact that the founder of the game of basketball um rooted it in um in soul work to be one uh to Jesus.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: That is the soul of the game, and we're grateful for that.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, we pray you continue to bless the effort and work of so many around the world, men and women, um, that are finding nuggets about you within the game and applying them uh to their life and their faith.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Father, we love you in your son Jesus' name.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: We pray.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Love you, bro.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right, love you, bro.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Peace.