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Radiant Lives | a conversation with pastors David and Renata Perkins · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Hi friends, welcome back to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
• 0:21
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  SPEAKER_01: Ashley Pittman and I, Amy Wicks, are your hosts of the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: We believe we are all on a journey to live out the call to love the Lord with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, happy Easter week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now some of you are celebrating this coming weekend with special treats.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you've been fasting some special treats like that for the last 40 days of Lent.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe some of you are getting to enjoy extra family time, maybe with a little bit of travel thrown in for good measure.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I would love to know what have you been hoping to hear over these last 40 days?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know, because I can't hear you right now, but I would love to know through the socials.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I went into Lent without any expectation and have found this season to be incredibly unique and different and difficult.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's been full of pruning, and you guys, pruning is painful.
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  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, I have yet to get to see the spring yet, the fruit or harvest, but I do feel like I've had a supernatural perspective about my circumstances, which has been a real gift.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is certainly not my first experience with pruning, and it won't be my last, but today's conversation is an example of getting to see the fruit after a long pruning season.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: And you guys, I can't help but do use the pruning reference.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, my husband's an arborist, so I feel like I know firsthand what pruning is all about.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, figuratively, and spiritually.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, David and Renata Perkins have been my dear friends for over 17 years.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I've watched close and from afar their obedience and faithfulness to the Lord's direction in their lives.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: They really do live a truly wholehearted lifestyle in all things.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: And their devotion to God, to each other, their kids, and in ministry.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: There is so much I'd love to share about these amazing friends.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: And the great thing is if you live in the Kansas City area, you can come check out Radiant Church.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: And a perfect time would be this coming Sunday for Easter.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: They are actually offering three services this time for good measure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Normally there's just two, but mostly it's such a perfect Sunday to come and celebrate with a welcoming community.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have great pour over coffee, fantastic childcare, and lots of friendly people.
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  SPEAKER_01: We would love to have you come.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: And if you can't attend in person, you can easily find and download their weekly sermon on iTunes.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: My hope is as you listen to their stories of faith, that you will be inspired to ask the Lord what to do with those dreams that you have for your life that you just can't seem to shake.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you aren't even on that familiar of terms with the Lord, that this Sunday, this weekend, you can find a church or just take some time to ask others about the life of Christ.
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  SPEAKER_01: His story, his life, his sacrifice, and his victory over death is the ultimate message of hope and healing which he is offering to each one of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: My prayer is that no matter where you are at, that you will experience new life and hope renewed this Easter.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now for our conversation with David and Renata Perkins.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I am so excited because today I have two of my favorite people, the Perkins, David and Renata Perkins.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: And we go way back.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for as old as we are, it's kind of going way back.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe finally maybe not high school or college, but right after that.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: So you guys moved to Colorado Springs 2001?
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: 2000.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 2000.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: 2000.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: June 21st, 2000.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: When did you guys get married?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: May 27, 2000.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you get married.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: You marry this radical Renata.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so blessed.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you married him, right?
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was kind of wild.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: May of 2000.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: We grab I graduated from college.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: We got married.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: We went on our honeymoon, and the first day back, we packed a U-Haul and moved to Colorado Springs.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then our first day the next day started work.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: And what was working looking like for you at that time?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I started at New Life Church, and um there was a dream in our heart to impact young people.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: And uh New Life had just built a World Prayer Center, and so I said yes to an invitation to be the youth director of the World Prayer Center, which Oh, I didn't realize that that was the specific invitation.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was the original idea that got a little bit hijacked.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: For a season, but eventually we swung around back to that and um and started a a ministry there uh called Desperation, um, out of the World Prayer Center with the goal of calling teenagers and young adults to pray.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now I got to know you, you guys all came um with a few other people who've gone on to this do some significant things.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: That that was the same time Aaron Stern came, Glenn Pacquiaum, and Rob Brindle.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Rob Rendell.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, where he stepped into because he had just been like a small group leader, or he stepped into an actual role.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: And Brent Parsley.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Brent Parsley.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: Man, yeah.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: There was five of us that came on within six months of each other.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: So we all called each other the Fab Five.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, let's go.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we did.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: We were the freshmen.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you were the freshmen.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you were some of you were crammed into the intern offices.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, cubicles.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the cubicles, which is where I was trying to run this intern program.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: You did run the intern program.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: At like 21, which was come on.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who is foolish enough to put a 20 or one in turn of all of that?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you were actually ahead of your time.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: But still, I think I'm like, what were they thinking?
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's not a good idea.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I even like managed it all.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: You were great.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: We were only like 23, so we were all really.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of the fun thing too, is just being empowered to get to do ministry when we were that young.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was kind of great.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: It was, it was really neat, and it gave me an experience that maybe some people wouldn't earn until 20 years in the ministry.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, I had to then, you know, go into a season of obscurity after that.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just like Jesus.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it was good for me.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and yeah, still appreciate that season a lot and still a little bit there.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: But um, okay, so we so I came out of the internship program and I had a lot of choices, but you gave me one of the choices of what I should do next, and that was come help this dream of the fellowship of burning hearts.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we stole that from AW Tozer.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: But hey, who we we love.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean Yeah, you had kinds of options on church staff, and we're forever grateful that you decided to jump in and help us.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: And our dream was just to mobilize young people to pray there locally and then um gather them to pray in the summers and at regional events, and then really to build uh prayer among young people within local churches across America.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: I had grown up where it felt like youth ministry was predominantly games and entertainment.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um so at that time it felt like the Lord was doing something special by calling young people to get on their face and pray.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: And um it felt like uh you were jumping in with us with that vision because God was doing something really special.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: And uh still is.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well it was I just loved how you you guys came in with this idea and this philosophy of you know, let's take kids that are still in college, working, doing the student life, and you're inviting them into you know, comradeship and discipleship and accountability while they're still living their lives.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I I really appreciated that because I'd been kind of in an internship that gave a more of a bubble perspective, which was fine, and I learned a lot from it, but um just that idea of you know, let's build kids where they're at and still, you know, being able to have impact, you know, around.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I I got excited about that and love that that is that was really, really good.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I feel like it it is challenging for re-entry for people that have been in a bubble like scenario.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: And the more that we can help them walk with Jesus, spend time alone with them, develop dynamic friendships and relationships while they're still engaging in culture, it helps them um really be able to not have the the the fall apart moment post the bubble.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: And unfortunately that's true with multiple kind of internships, and so that was the vision then, and it felt like it was it was a really healthy one, and so of course, Amy, you were the star of stars, and so you were rocking and rolling coming on that internship, and it's true, that's true.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're laughing because you know.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I did have to have some therapy afterwards, but part of it was getting to work with you all, and no, seriously, and then we got to travel and we got to do these little mini conferences.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was really fun.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: I can I can vividly remember some of those trips that were a lot of fun, you know, in the band.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: There was some drama in the midst of all of them, you know, as you had that age group.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: But even some up-and-coming, you know, band people or musicians and you know, song artists and writers and all of that were part of that team, which is so amazing to look back.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I know some of your good friends came out of that too.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's amazing, you know, the way that um God really anoints people uh as we crowd to him in prayer.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things that I'm most excited about is when um songs and books and ideas come out of crying out to God in prayer instead of just being an artist.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: And um in that season there were a lot of great um people that were leading prayer meetings.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: We had prayer meetings that were early in the morning and um late at night, and a lot of songs were written that have gone on to become great songs, and a lot of friends that um I was texting 45 minutes ago that are still close comrades in the kingdom that um wrote songs uh during that time and still close friends.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I it's just amazing to look and I mean that this will be part of our story, but I I I I could have never imagined where we are now, and you know, this is 16 years later.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, a lot of things that were birthed in those early years um, you know, were are just amazing to see what's come out of that season and come out of that time.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's just really incredible.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: So and it's amazing sometimes you know, uh you'll see one ministry that will birth a whole lot of new ones.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a little bit of pain and a little bit of nostalgia um that creates a little bit of tension, but ultimately to build a kingdom, everybody goes and starts new things and does uh what God's called them to, and ultimately that's the way that the kingdom grows.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I mean it's the pruning process, it's the growing process, it's the branching out, all of that, and then replanting.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: And and really that that shows great fruit and then great ministry that's uh trusting enough to pour vision and dream into other people and then say, Hey, go do your thing, go build the kingdom of God, because it's not about our kingdom, it's about you know just expanding the kingdom of God.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that's really good.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I want to just mention to our listeners that um before I keep talking, that there's gonna be a little extra ambient noise tonight.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we're having dinner at our house, and that's where our studio is.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: So as you hear like little kid noises and all that sort of stuff, just it's not your house.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the like, you know, we don't have crazy interference.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's just kids playing.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: So when you put seven kids together, what do you expect?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually been kind of quiet.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: I know they're doing good.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll see.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: The whole hearted podcast plows right through it.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's right.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: We do.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we I'm used to tuning it out, so it's really no big deal.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: We do.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so well, that's kind of I just wanted to share the story because I like to brag about how I got to know you way back then and be part of that.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was some fun days, and then you know, then I got to go be a barista at Starbucks and move on to trying to finish school and all of that.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: But but anyway, I would love everyone to hear just the birth of the dream and the vision for you guys and what's happened since then, and we'll just share some more about Radiant Church because that's where you guys are now.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're now in Kansas City.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um a lot has happened between now and then.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: City of Fountains.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: And we love it.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think for us, our journey, we started to sense like the Holy Spirit was putting on our heart to plant a church and we knew the burden before we knew the city.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so we began to just take little mini trips to different cities and prayer walk in those cities and ask God which one he was calling us to, knowing that when you plant a church, it's kind of like getting married because you're gonna serve that city the rest of your life.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's right, you're all in.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: We wanted to look for a city where we knew that we could buy our burial plots one day, where we could serve the city, and we kind of thought of it as marrying the dirt, you know, and and so we went to Denver.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's I mean that's the way it should be.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that in our society we we tend to not frame that.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's like we're always on to the next thing.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean that just shows how infested you guys are and how much your heart really is.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's a really amazing way to frame it, I think.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it's been beautiful and you make that wholehearted commitment.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, nice one.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: So we uh we we went to Denver, which wasn't far from where we were in Color Springs and prayed, and we went to Dallas and um went to Oklahoma City, and truthfully, Renata and I both had uh grown up in Oklahoma City.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and so um Renata had moved around and so had I, but we'd I had gone to junior high high school and college um there and so very familiar.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Probably the spot.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um but it was actually when we came to Kansas City, uh, as we were praying, I I sensed the Holy Spirit just put in my heart, not by might nor by power, but by my spirit.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Wow and knew that it wasn't about our relationships, our skill set, um what we could do, but what God could do.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: And of course that's what Jesus said ultimately is that he would build his church, which was the reassurance that we needed.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: And felt like that little whisper was enough to risk our lives and plant a church in Kansas City.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Man, that's amazing.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so now when so you I know you had had this kind of maybe since 2008, 2009, and you kind of like, okay, church I think is in our future.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um when did you finally decide Kansas City?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was um probably about 20, I'm trying to think, 2015, 2016, like I guess the end of 2015.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um we just went as we were, we had driven to different places.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: We really were praying about it since like 2008, but it just kind of got kind of stronger in our hearts, especially those last few years.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um because you had no reason to move on from where you were at.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Things are good, yeah.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: We were yeah, we were super happy where we were.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: But I think just um the Kansas the Kansas City thing um really just it just kind of grew.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that that moment when we were in Kansas City praying, and David felt like he heard that was just a confirmation.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: And for us it was more of kind of like a slower process of the Lord continuing to just give us little confirmations than like one big lightning strike.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Really we didn't have the lightning strike, the closest we had to lightning strike was we were uh listening to a speaker, and we felt like the not only was the burden to plant there, but we had honed in that Kansas City was probably the place that he said, if deep inside your heart there is a desire that you cannot shake, that's probably the Lord.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: And at that moment we turned and looked at each other.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: We drove home, and as we were driving home, we both recognized that that quote that moment we both had sensed that that's what we have.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: And we wanted a burning bush, we wanted something epic, but what he named what we had experienced, and that was a desire that we couldn't shake.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: And we had tried, honestly, because it was so scary to him.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't make sense to us to want to plant so bad.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so we wanted to amazing opportunity that you were in the middle of.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like from a logical world view, right?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, I would I kept thinking this has to be the Holy Spirit because it makes no sense to leave all of this.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like it just didn't make any sense.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: But we wanted to, it was like there was a part of us that that just wanted it, yeah.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so we we started recognizing that as the Holy Spirit, even the excitement for the faith jump, like the faith jump of needing God so much that he had to come through.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: We knew we'd we knew we would have to experience stories that were miraculous in order to just survive and make it, yeah.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so that was kind of in like in a spiritual way, it was exciting, yeah.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Terrifying.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, but that's when you know because it doesn't make logical sense yet.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: God puts in a supernatural excitement in there and the desire, yes, and then he makes a way.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because it wasn't just you guys forcing it.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the amazing thing, which I'm excited to tell all those stories.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the thing, is when you feel like you've jumped on a wave and it's a wave that you didn't make.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, the Holy Spirit, yeah, and you just get to ride it, and I feel like that's what's happened um with Radiant, and it's still the early days, but it feels like it's God's activity and not what we can generate through marketing.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Not what we can generate with our own power, not what we can generate through force, but just those divine connections, divine stories, and God at work.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and when God's your diligence too and obedience.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean like him meeting that in a supernatural way.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: So it's been the ride of our lives.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been awesome.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I remember um well for me, and I've told this story, you know, some different times, and maybe not even on this podcast, but the beginning of 2016 was um instrumental for us because it's when we f I had to finally lay down my desire to move back to Colorado.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: And we've been in Kansas City at that point for seven years.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: And but so at that same time, one of God's answers to prayers for me was to see like stuff flowing around on social media about the Perkins coming to Kansas City.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: I had heard rumors, and there was rumors even like a year before.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: But um, so I was a little afraid of hope.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: But then like there was an official announcement.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh God, you're giving me a church.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was so excited.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was so excited.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so you guys, like 2016, January, you're getting up there, you're getting blessed, you're getting like sent out.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about those, um, because there's so many different pieces, and I mean we'll tell as many as we can, but kind of from then.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think one of the most enjoyable moments for us was um the just the prayer moment of new life praying over us and blessing us and sending us out after our since we've been there since June of 2000.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, our entire adult life had been there and we loved it.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um but then um you know when you step out like that, you're you're just believing God, and it's everybody else's little miracle that comes along.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: That I like to say it, it's like a hundred small miracles that make one massive one.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and it was just these little tiny stories of people that uh um God had called to come with us, to people that wanted to um celebrate, people that wanted to give, people that wanted to pray.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: And um through all of it, the Lord the Lord has started something new.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh we were prayed over in January of twenty sixteen.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: We moved in February of twenty sixteen and um I think one of the pieces Amy for me personally was um I was uh thirty nine years old and had a wife and four children.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: And if ever there's the moment to stay steady.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: As a provider, it's right, you're right in the thick of it.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not really the moment that you want to just kind of throw all your cards in the air and see where they land.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Pull up stakes and start from nothing.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: But it was just amazing.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: One of the things that happened for me was as we were driving on I-70 east to Kansas City.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: Know it well.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: I was riding with my son, and um he's a he was 11.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And um And he's here with us now.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Dawson.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: He does a lot of tech stuff at the church.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's awesome.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: And uh he he asked me this question that was just kind of a dagger right to the heart as we're driving.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: He said, So dad, tell me about how does your how does this job thing work?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Well, I don't really have a job in the new city sun.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, So, so how does that how how how does that work, Dad?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Well, we're gonna have to believe God exactly like never before.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and he said, Well, do you think I'll still get a a birthday present uh on my birthday this year?
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, it's moments like that that you're like, come on, Lord.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: And um I just remember it very vividly.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: And and one of the fun things was a uh after we arrived in Kansas City, um around um April, I received a uh a phone call and an invitation to come speak at a church in Texas, and it was right over his birthday.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: And um so his birthday present was to get to go with me.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Except that lo and behold, um one of the men in the church, uh, when I told him it was Dawson's birthday, decided to take us on a helicopter ride and to go fishing.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and we're we're on the helicopter coming back from a day of fishing on his actual birthday, his twelfth birthday, and here we're having this epic journey together.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, You think do you think God is taking care of you on your birthday?
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: And it's moments like that that you just can't buy, and you just know it's God's taking care of you.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so the Lord is taking care of not only our church, but he's taking care of our family.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, that's beautiful.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that one.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just such a testimony to I I mean, he he the trip would have been pretty awesome for a 12-year-old kid, right?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then he goes above and beyond.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean that is awesome.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's yeah, it's just amazing.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: And we had no we had no idea just how the Lord would provide with both the launch team people coming or financially when we you know said we'd go in the fall and um of 2015 2015, yeah.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: And um, but I mean the miracles and the stories of the way that people came and then the people here, like you, who were ready to jump in.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: We were just I mean, we're still we're still just undone by it.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: We still get teary.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like we were we had our dream team party you know the other night.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, the dream team has grown so much this last year, and there's so many people just you know, jumping all in.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it's just such a miracle.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: So we're just and one of the things though is you don't get to see the miracle until you jump.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, you don't, and I think that's I mean, I think that's the key there because I I I always think of the Indiana Jones analogy of like, you know, in the third one when he has to throw the dust to see the steps and yeah, but he has to take the leap of faith first.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's real life.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's walking out faith, is that you have no guarantee, you just take that step and you fall.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he does catch us, right?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's believing that he is gonna catch us and that he has a good plan, and you know, as we're being obedient to him.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: And even if we mess it up somehow, if our heart's desire is just to be obedient, like he still catches us, yeah, and he still makes it work, and he sees that, and that's such a beautiful thing.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is amazing how when you're living for certainty and comfort, you miss out on the fullness of God's activity for your life and the adventure.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, which even since this is middle of Advent, you know, that word adventure with Advent right there tied around Jesus.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: And you're the adventure that Jesus has for you, if you don't say yes to it, you won't experience it.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: If you won't and so um for us, that's good, uh, we had actually I think we had um a wonderful, incredible uh scenario, but God was inviting us to trust him in a supernatural way.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so for us that meant jumping and nervous.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there were a lot of years that we were called to stay steady, you know, and just be steady, and that was obedience.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, and um, and then there was there was the time to jump.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so both are beautiful, yeah.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Cause sometimes the brave thing is to stay.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, yeah 2016, that was the brave thing, yeah, was to stay and to go, you know, and to like just believe that the Lord had us here and he was gonna and I knew he used geography and that he had a purpose for it.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um and the brave thing for you guys, you know, was to step out in obedience.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: So and he, you know, he met us such great ways.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, that's awesome.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Lord, you know you do know what you're doing.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Time and time again, I like find myself doing that.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: I know he's just laughing, like, really?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: When is she gonna get this?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know he's so good.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: He is okay.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: So tell me um ARC, because I'm not sure.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know we've have really great friends, um, the Stranzes, uh, who I they used to be my home sponsors, so I lived with them and they became like my big brother and sister, and just huge part of my life.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um such a blessing.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he had been involved with ARC for many years.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: So just tell us a little bit about that and um, you know, kind of that process, how that's come alongside and been a blessing as well on this.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, ARC is a ministry that began in 2001 with the goal to help couples who wanted to plant a church just do that.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so um essentially uh it's a process of training as well as um some coaching, and um over the course of the last sixteen years they've planted over seven hundred churches.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so we are officially ARC church plant number six hundred.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: And um I like claiming that.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: And um, did they skip over number six hundred and sixty-six in this one?
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think that one's in the middle of Ohio.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I don't know, actually being from Ohio like out there for a few years.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's where churches go to die.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, anyway.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: So um, yeah, so they were um uh monumental for us in helping us and equipping us and preparing us for this.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then in addition, now it's it's a family.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: And so get to continue to connect with all of them.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's been really great.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I um we had the Drinskys on, and then of course Dan and Amy, um, and some of the our other pastors, and so they they uh told us some of their invitation from you guys and how that you know started and their decision process, but there are so many others, and I hear them all the time.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe, you know, just a couple of those that you talked to, and then you thought there's no way, there's no way they're gonna come here.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that's a lot, um, but maybe a few of those that just made it feel like, whoa, this is so better.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think what's really like people didn't just come from Colorado Springs, and people didn't just come from here where you knew people.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're talking all over the country.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, at different times when you look at the map and you're like, whoa, you know, and how already Radiant has been able to launch people to go all over the country, even the world currently.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know, some of those are really fun.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think you know, some of our new closest friends are Will and Jamie Riddle.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: And Will and Jamie Riddle had this um history of church planting, and so they were part of a church plant in Boston as well as in Cincinnati.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: And uh through a friend of a friend, he and I ended up um sitting at Starbucks and first time we'd ever met.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: And um we talked for a couple hours, and by the end we were like brothers.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: And within a matter of weeks, he contacted me and told me they were gonna move to Kansas City to be a part of the church.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: And today, you know, they're they're uh some of our closest friends.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so Yeah, and they're really instrumental in the church and just bring a strong leadership and knowledge of the word.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: And they're leading up the prayer team, which is instrumental.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and so it's just people that were I love the way that Mark Batterson talks about following the goose, yeah, chasing the goose.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like there were plenty of people that were chasing the goose, they were following the Holy Spirit, and people that may not have even necessarily been in our relational web or but but God was at work inside of them.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so they were listening and paying attention, and then when they came across the radiant idea and dream and they jumped all in.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: And and so that's been pretty amazing.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: I I I think another piece that's been amazing has been um the ongoing group of young adults that have moved here um after high school to be a part of a local church.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: So in other words, the dream or the vision is not necessarily that they're coming in for anything other than that they want to be a part of a local church, which I think that one of the best things you can do um as a young adult is be a part of a dynamic community.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of times people will pay a hundred thousand dollars to go to a liberal arts university just for a community.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but the truth is you can get that for free if you go to a great local church.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so um there's been a lot of young adults that have moved here uh and were unfamiliar with Kansas City, but they've moved here to be a part of Radiant Church, and that's one of the things that I've just been really excited about.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think literally hundreds have kind of come with the inkling, like, oh, there's something going on here.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think I want to be a part of it.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: And not even for position or you know, in a title or role, just just to be just to come and be a part.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: There's actually even a few more moving even now, and there's some that have moved even after, you know, that we've launched.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, because we're a year and a half in now from you know, launch and yeah, and God's still calling people.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's so cool.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I think that's the amazing thing is to see even in such a short amount of time, more people coming and people being launched and sent to from I mean, just a baby church.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, you know, like we're already sending out, yeah.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, really.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's really awesome.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's really been amazing.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Renata, I wanted to hear a little bit about your passion for kids because I think that's one of the things I love about our church is that I I mean it's actually happened in Target quite a few times, and I really don't go to Target that much, but Target is awesome.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: I yes it is, and I um but I've invited people at Target and it's usually like the connection point is the kids and the fact that we have such an amazing kids program.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, programs seem sort of trite, but we just take care of our kids so well and our families, and um the process of and thought of from like okay, what is it like for a new family to come in and get them oriented?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, to you know, the check-in process and then you know, the people in the rooms, and so just I'd I'd just love to hear some of your hard on it because I know you're really passionate about it.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a a it shows.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: I love you, how you serve and help all the new families too.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: And we help squawk all the new families back and shares the vision with them and stuff.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, our vision is to we say partner with parents to help children know and follow Jesus.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so we have just a really, I would say, intentional kids' ministry.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: We say we want to have it always be clean and safe and fun and intentional.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we want it to be super clean and super safe, all those things that just make it, you know, make feel yeah calm telling their kids, you know.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be okay.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: So we and we we try to make things excellent.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: But my heart with kids, I just love children.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: I love kids, and I think that's a good thing.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you have four, I should say four kids.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: She's a homeschool mom.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: She's amazing.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: She does it.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I do my best.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're so sweet.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I we just believe that children um have so much potential in loving Jesus and honoring their parents and even being on mission, you know.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: We have we even have like a little family serve um opportunity for kids.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So like my kids serve with me when I when I serve like the two and three year olds or whatever, my um 10-year-old girl and my seven-year-old boy serve with me.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: And my kids love to do it too.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they just ask then they do.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: They they love being on mission.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so um we just we we just try to strategically teach them core values and just just the word of God and and memorize scripture.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: And we have lots of vision, you know, and we're a brand new church, so we have lots of dreams of even how to continue making things better.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: But but we want to be really intentional, I think, in just stretching kids in there in the ages that they're in to love Jesus wholeheartedly and know God and really know that the Lord speaks to them and know that they have a purpose, even at their young ages, you know, and so just that they can be wholehearted.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even from men and amen.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have very similar hearts.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we do.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in in these ages, and so that's our goal, and just to um help parents um in just in whatever ways that we can, which we have dreams, lots of dreams for the future, but right now we're we're really just trying to make Sundays really excellent in those windows of time that we have with our kids, with all the kids, and so um we love that.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then we do a camp in the summer too.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Glow camp.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was my kid's highlight.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: They they have actually told Isaiah every time, and he brought it up that they were gonna be choosing a date soon.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yes, we will plan our summer around glow camp.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's in June.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay, great.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and I I was saying, I'm like, the kids are all asking if it could be five days, please.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I told them, I'm like, no, you know, mommy can probably only handle three days of Super Ben with that one.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Why can the volunteers handle?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I was doing.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: The capacity that everything had so excellent.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I I would just want to say too, because like dropping your kids off at Sunday schools can sometimes be a traumatic experience.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like the kids don't always adjust really well.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I I think that's the amazing thing.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen it in my own kids.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've I always had one who's had a super hard time, and from the very beginning, there wasn't like a question.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: There was just, I mean, he just jumped right in and like didn't look back.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I see that a lot with kids, and I, you know, I it it takes a lot.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's the environment, it's the consistency, it's the care of the workers of each person.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, where that's not as big of a I mean, very rarely do we have that kid that we're like, oh, we have to get the parent.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like which is so great.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like that says a lot.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, and sometimes you just can't help it, but um I think that's just the beautiful thing.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's happening.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, small groups, that's a little bit of something that's I'm passionate about.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're really, I mean, we're a new church, but tell me about small groups.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think that we want to be a church um with small groups right at the core, and so I like to say that we're small groups that are a church more than a church that just kind of fakes the small group thing.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um and so um we want to help people sit in a circle, not just in a row, have conversation.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: Jesus asked his disciples questions, and one of the th ways that we grow is by digging into each other's lives, and so um we love the small group thing, and the way that we talk about it is that you're everybody's in a small group, whether they recognize it or not.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: You have social influence and you have relationships, and so the purpose of the small group is the relationship.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh there's people that are growing uh from uh being a deep follower of Jesus and they're wanting to sit and exegete the book of Romans.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: And there's people that are um just just getting started in their faith, and we even promote small groups where we're intentionally challenging Christians to have small groups where there are people that are don't know Jesus, but they're building that relationship, and so small groups is a big part of what we do.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um and uh we we don't do everything, but we do a few things, and those things that we want to do really well, and small groups is one of them.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I'm really loving to see what's coming all you know, all out of that.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: And the parenting, the moms, we have you know, golf, we have you know, like you said, we have the deep biblical study and all of that, and and then that's where I think community.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you said it, I think one of the first Sundays people aren't looking for another you know, pastor to teach, they're not looking for another cool, you know, worship band music, but they're looking for community.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you know, the small group really provides that and the relationships.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a little bit scary.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, because our society has I think gotten out of practice of what community and and you know real relationship authenticity looks like that it is a little bit scary.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so it takes um it takes some bravery to lead.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it's so I mean uh anyone who does is so glad they did.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, and people who do go to a small group, even if it takes them a couple to find the right one for them, yeah.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like once they find it, it's like the best thing, and it becomes their family and their community, and they do life together, and it's a really, really valuable thing.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're we've seen it a lot.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: We've seen people that are giving their lives to Jesus, uh, people being discipled, and that's fun.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's really fun to be the the local church and be a family.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's a a family just getting started, but it's a beautiful one.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I am just so thrilled to get to be a part of this church family and just to see how I mean we really could talk for hours and hours of all the stories and the miracles and what God has done.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um Isn't this podcast hours and hours?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, not quite.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think my battery's about to die on the corner.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I smell the lasagna.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: It smells like I gotta take the foil off so the cheese can wrap it.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: And the super hipster water, which which just buries in it and no sugar somewhere.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you did call the water down Kool-Aid, so I was like, oh, I don't know if that's good or not.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's Kool-Aid for homeschool kids.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even realize you you just you make fun of homeschool kids.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: You're all kids.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Stop making fun of it.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: It is really funny.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like homeschool kids.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm excited because um this will be just the first, well, this has been like our third or fourth Radiant conversation, but um we're gonna have David back, um, maybe with a couple of other folks, and we're gonna talk about bold.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because that's one of the big things that's happening in 2018 that's affiliated, associated under the umbrella of Radiant Church.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're gonna do a youth conference for youth and young adults in June called Bold Conference.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: And uh we're excited about local churches that have already committed.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: We already have churches that are coming from Alaska and from uh all over.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, can't be.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: We do some sort of reciprocal teaching.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't they need like someone about women's hub leader gonna teach them?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Please send me.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's possible.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so instead are really like we actually had a trip planned, and I'm pretty sure that's when I got pregnant or something.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'll point out the youth pastor, and you can give him a card with your podcast on it.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, sounds good.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Great, great, yeah, definitely.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Send me.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be awesome.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I love you guys so much.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so grateful.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're excited what the Lord's doing here in Kansas City and through Radiant Church.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thanks so much for being our friends.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: Love you guys.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, love you too.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Y'all, aren't they just the best?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: I do have a blog post from a while back about some of my history with the Perkins.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you are curious to read more, I'll put a link to that in the show notes.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I hope that in our time together we capture their genuineness, humility, and their heart for community.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so incredibly grateful to call them friends and serve alongside them in such a great church.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now, next week we're gonna share a conversation with Sarah McKenzie.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm personally a huge fan.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: She is a veteran podcaster and she has used her voice, knowledge, and personal experience with six kids.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: So that's some serious experience.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: And she has created a read aloud revival.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: And her newest book just came out this week.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: It is really, really great.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, one of the best book lists I've ever come across.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: So be sure to follow us on all our socials, and again, you can find us on Instagram and Facebook as Simply Wholehearted.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: And hint hit, we might be doing a giveaway.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I wanted to give you a quick update about my Enneagram coaching journey.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: You guys, oh, I'm loving this.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: I just sat down with a couple of friends the other night and we did a really like quick tour of the Enneagram.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: They're somewhat familiar with it.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: They did some of the online tests, and we went through to kind of help them figure out was this for sure their Enneagram number?
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it was so fun.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: I love learning more about them and talking about it, and I just also learning from their perspective and their unique different numbers and also learning why they're just such great friends.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, it's super fascinating and it just keeps getting better.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: Now remember, the Aneagram might shed light on what behaviors to adjust, but really the key benefit is about understanding why you do what you do.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: With some of this self-actualization, you can really begin to move to a place of health with all of your relationships, including yourself.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you haven't yet taken your free assessment, you could check out Beth McCord's free one at youraniagramcoach.com.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: And but just a little heads up, we oftentimes don't test correctly.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: So be sure and answer as honestly as you possibly can about your motivations.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then just remember it takes some time and introspection to really identify if you really resonate with the number that you test for.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes it gets you close to your number, but um it helps you at least learn a little bit more than you did before.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: And pretty soon after you start diving into the Enneagram, whether you listen to a previous conversation, we had two episodes with Beth McCord, you'll begin to recognize if you're indeed the number you tested as.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: If not, you'll actually get some hints along the way, probably what some of those that you love in your house or maybe grew up with what their number is on the Aneagram, which is always fun to talk about others.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: So until next week, we hope you'll be joining us as we discover more ways to live a simply wholehearted life.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Unplugged, purposeful, and intentional.