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UK Column News — 20th July 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Monday, the twentieth of July twenty twenty six, just
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Speaker 2: after one o'clock. I'm Ben Rubin, your host today on
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Speaker 2: UK column News, and I'm delighted to be joined in
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Speaker 2: the studio by mister Mike Robinson. Glad to be here,
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Speaker 2: very glad to have you. We've got a pack show today.
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Speaker 2: We're going to be looking at the drive towards new
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Speaker 2: forms of democratic deliberation. We'll be discussing the increasing rhetoric
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Speaker 2: around terror and particularly cyber attacks coming out of the
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Speaker 2: UK and other international governments, which suggests to me they've
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Speaker 2: probably got something planned for us. A bit later on
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Speaker 2: in the year, we'll be looking at Andy Burnham's role
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Speaker 2: as an agent for the new world order, how world
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Speaker 2: economic foreign policy is injected directly into the heart of
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Speaker 2: the civil service. But before we get into that, I
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Speaker 2: think it might be time to break out the Champagne
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Speaker 2: mite because apparently the Digital Idea scheme has been canceled.
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Speaker 3: That may be a little bit premature, but anyway, let's
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Speaker 3: have a look. So Addy Burham's sidekick Lucy Paul said
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Speaker 3: on the Laura Kunsberg program on the BBC yesterday that
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Speaker 3: he's going to scrab plans for a government issued digital
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Speaker 3: ID for all British adults when he becomes Prime minister today.
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Speaker 3: In fact, he may have already just that may have
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Speaker 3: happened in the last half an hour. So let's just
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Speaker 3: sorry to bore everybody in the early minutes of this program,
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Speaker 3: but let's just listen to briefly what Lucy Paul had
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Speaker 3: to say on Kunsberg's program.
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Speaker 4: But these initiatives come along and it was only a
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Speaker 4: year or so ago that it was announced we would
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Speaker 4: do an ID card, which by the way, wasn't actually
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Speaker 4: in our manifesto either. It was very controversial, there was
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Speaker 4: a lot of opposition to it, but it does take
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Speaker 4: attention away and this is now a moment to look
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Speaker 4: at that again and look at these issues right across government.
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Speaker 4: What do we need to focus on, What do we
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Speaker 4: need to be delivering so that people can actually see
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Speaker 4: what we're doing. It's up in likes, they understand why
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Speaker 4: we're doing what we're doing, and they can start to
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Speaker 4: feel the benefits of that.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know what you think about that, but
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Speaker 3: admitting that it wasn't part of the manifesto.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was quite a thing to here, wasn't it.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you should regret saying those words. But also the
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Speaker 2: idea that, well, it only just came up a year ago.
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Speaker 2: It's not like Tony Blair hasn't been pushing this for
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Speaker 2: about twenty five.
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Speaker 3: Years precisely, and it's not like it's a global policy
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Speaker 3: that everybody's pushing work right across the world. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: once again, what we have here is an announcement designed
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Speaker 3: to give people relief. So digital idea isn't happening. Seems
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Speaker 3: to be the message that we're getting, But believing that
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Speaker 3: would be a massive mistake. Now the keywords here are
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Speaker 3: government issued because Itage assurance isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Speaker 3: One Loggin isn't going anywhere, and the digital ID industry
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Speaker 3: isn't going anywhere either. And I'm going to give another
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Speaker 3: example of what I mean by that later on towards
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Speaker 3: the end of the program, we discussed virtual private networks.
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Speaker 3: But you know, at the basis of this is the
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Speaker 3: UK's certified Digital identity sector has spent much of the
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Speaker 3: past year arguing against the government's planned route national digital
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Speaker 3: ID through a single state run golf dot UK wallet,
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Speaker 3: warning that it would crowd out a private market which
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Speaker 3: the state itself had helped create. And the leading voice
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Speaker 3: on this was the Association of Digital Verificational Verification Professionals
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Speaker 3: otherwise known as the AdvP, which is chaired by a
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Speaker 3: guy called David Crack and whose membership covers most of
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Speaker 3: the fifty plus firms certified under the Digital Identity and
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Speaker 3: at Attributes Trust Framework. Now its core objection is an
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Speaker 3: economic one, and in November twenty twenty five we just
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Speaker 3: bring this up on screen. They wrote an open letter
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Speaker 3: where Crack argued that a credential held solely in a
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Speaker 3: gov dot UK wallet represents it's a fundamentally different social
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Speaker 3: and economic model from one stored and certified private wallets,
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Speaker 3: and that the resulting uncertainty risks market stability and discourages investment.
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Speaker 3: He said that, as you can see on screen, there's
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Speaker 3: a strong economic kiss for digit for a digital ID
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Speaker 3: a private digital ID sector. He went on to say, meanwhile,
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Speaker 3: did a Use and Access Act already provides widely supported
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Speaker 3: foundation that strengthens individual autonomy and alliance government, industry and
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Speaker 3: civil society. And this, of course Ben is right at
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Speaker 3: the heart of all this. What we're saying, is this
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Speaker 3: alignment of government, civil society, industry and where regulators become
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Speaker 3: enablers and everybody's basically on the same page exactly. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I was going to say that this is the exact
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Speaker 3: model that we're looking at. This is Manchesterism. Actually is
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Speaker 3: what Andy Burnham talks about all the time. Government defines
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Speaker 3: the requirement, the private sector then builds it and takes
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Speaker 3: all the profit out of the marketplace it's been constructed,
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Speaker 3: and then they use in civil society organizations to essentially
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Speaker 3: manufacture consent to the policy, so they'll get a few
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Speaker 3: people through and say, look, we spoke to some voters.
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Speaker 1: That means that this is all okay indeed now.
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Speaker 3: In February twenty twenty six, then the AdvP stepped up
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Speaker 3: the attack, demanding that any government consultation publish a full
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Speaker 3: impact assessment of the oft UK wallet approach, for example
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Speaker 3: things like projected public expenditure, operating costs, delivery outcomes, and
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Speaker 3: they said that none of that had been shared with providers, investors,
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Speaker 3: civil society or the public. And it also called on
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Speaker 3: the wallet to be benchmarked against private sector alternatives on
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Speaker 3: cost effectiveness, security and user satisfaction. That has dispute escalated
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Speaker 3: to legal the level of legal threats, and Crack indicated
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Speaker 3: at the time that restricting the government's mobile driving license
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Speaker 3: so that it's not interp interoperable with DIATF is something
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Speaker 3: that the AdvP would treat very seriously and making these
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Speaker 3: legal threats as I say now, the Age Verification Providers
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Speaker 3: Association went further. They said the arrangement could fullfill of
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Speaker 3: the Subsidy Control Act twenty twenty two and the Competition
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Speaker 3: Markets Authority Rules, and so they were hoping that legal
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Speaker 3: options would not be required. And this all came on
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Speaker 3: top of an April twenty twenty six joint letter which
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Speaker 3: the AVPAADVP and the Online Safety Tech Industry Association urged
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Speaker 3: the Science Secretary to restrict gov dot UK wallet and
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Speaker 3: one log into the public sector authentication only and not
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Speaker 3: to the broader use of digital ID. So now, as
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Speaker 3: of today, I haven't seen any particular comment from the
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Speaker 3: industry bodies over the news of the weekend. Andy Burnham's
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Speaker 3: decision to scrap the government issued scheme is one that
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they will comment on a due course, but
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Speaker 3: you know, in the meantime, what do we believe that
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Speaker 3: this is going to have any major impact on the
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Speaker 3: rule out of digital id in this country, not one job.
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Speaker 3: So you know, one of the reasons that they do
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Speaker 3: this in this way is to take the wind out
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Speaker 3: of the sales of the opposition. Yeah, and if people
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Speaker 3: are saying, well, job done, then we don't need to
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Speaker 3: do anymore. This is where it gets to inangerous.
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Speaker 2: It certainly does get dangerous. This is exactly what Trump's
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Speaker 2: done in the US with the CBDC. So we're overloading
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Speaker 2: you with acronyms today. There was a lot in that report.
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Speaker 2: This is what these organizations call themselves. But he's basically said, well,
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Speaker 2: we will have no central backtage currency, then kicked you
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Speaker 2: over to the cryptocurrency ecosystem and they're basically building the
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Speaker 2: same thing with all the same functionality. It's just they
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Speaker 2: hasn't got government fingerprints on it, right. But I definitely
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Speaker 2: think you're correct. This is a purely political move. And
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Speaker 2: as we were talking about earlier the way the two
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Speaker 2: things I've noted from Burnham in the past couple of
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Speaker 2: weeks that he's done to defensively to kind of shore
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Speaker 2: up his position even before coming into government, as he
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Speaker 2: will do today, one of which is what you've just described.
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Speaker 2: So this essentially is a play to the libertarian right wing.
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Speaker 2: You aren't going to give us ID cards, mister Burnham,
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Speaker 2: you know daily mail reader types. Anyone sensible doesn't want this.
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Speaker 2: By the way, it's not just a daily mail reader position.
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Speaker 2: And then on the left wing of things, he put
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Speaker 2: out some statements last week or the week before, basically
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Speaker 2: softening his rhetoric in the Labor Party, his rhetoric and
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Speaker 2: position around what's been going on in Palestine at about
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Speaker 2: three years too late. But then obviously the kind of
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Speaker 2: the left wing press have gone, oh look he's he
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Speaker 2: said something vaguely nice about Palestinians, and therefore that means
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Speaker 2: this is a significant change of policy direction, whereas actually
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Speaker 2: it's not going to be that at all. So he's
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Speaker 2: brought himself a little bit of time perhaps, yes, yeah,
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Speaker 2: So anyway, much more on digital identity to come, no doubt,
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Speaker 2: and we'll be coming back to talking about VPNs later
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Speaker 2: on in the show. Now I'm going to your attention
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Speaker 2: to some work the UK column had been doing for many,
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Speaker 2: many years, long time before I was here. This quote
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Speaker 2: comes from an article that was written by Martin Edwards
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Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was the articles called the Global.
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Speaker 2: Parliament of Mayors and the Abolition of the Electorate, which
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Speaker 2: will probably be a running theme through some of my
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Speaker 2: stuff today. The quote says the house of world order
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Speaker 2: will have to be built from the bottom up rather
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Speaker 2: than from the top down. It will look like a
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Speaker 2: great booming, buzzing confusion. To use William James's famous description
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Speaker 2: of reality, an end run around national sovereignty eroding piece
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Speaker 2: by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned
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Speaker 2: frontal assault. That's Richard Gardner writing in Foreign Affairs magazine
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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy four. And Gardener was a un and
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Speaker 2: Council on Foreign Relations type very powerful chap and essentially
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Speaker 2: describing here what we're seeing play out now with the
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Speaker 2: diva metro mayre system that is being pushed into the
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Speaker 2: UK and elsewhere internationally. This is the world order being
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Speaker 2: rebuilt from the bottom up, being driven globally, not least
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Speaker 2: in part by Michael Bloomberg. And I'm going to join
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Speaker 2: your attention to this organization at Harvard University. This is
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Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Center for Cities where they run the Bloomberg
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Speaker 2: Harvard City Leadership Initiative. Bit of a mouthful, and my
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Speaker 2: attention was drawn to this last week because this guy,
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Speaker 2: James Anderson, who's head of Government Innovation Programs at Bloomberg Philanthropy,
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Speaker 2: shared this image on LinkedIn and commented saying that on Monday,
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Speaker 2: I e. Today, the United Kingdom gets a new Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and the Bloomberg Harvard City Leadership Initiative sees its
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Speaker 2: first graduate to become head of State, to which my
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Speaker 2: question to myself is, well, is Burnham the UK Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister working for the British people or is he a
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Speaker 2: graduate of the Bloomberg Harvard City Leadership Initiative And actually
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Speaker 2: that's who he's working for primarily, which you think correct me.
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Speaker 1: If I'm wrong.
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Speaker 3: Is and this is exactly the same question that was
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Speaker 3: asked for Starmer after hedmit his comment to the BBC
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Speaker 3: at the World Economic Forum, but he was asked Parliament
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Speaker 3: versus Davos.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly the same thing and it's the
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Speaker 2: same agenda ultimately. But that's why I think Burnham is.
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Speaker 2: We can just get that back on screen quickly. This
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Speaker 2: is who I think Burnham is, that he's there He's
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Speaker 2: part of a powerful cohort of Metro mayors who have
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Speaker 2: been trained up through a Bloomberg funded international leadership program
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Speaker 2: in order to bring in a new system of governance
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Speaker 2: that is going to just bulldoze through the existing nation
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Speaker 2: state system, right, and he's maintained close contact with this organization.
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Speaker 2: He graduated a few years ago, but the post from
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Speaker 2: James Anderson goes on to say that Andy turned out
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Speaker 2: to be a terrific member of that first class. So
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Speaker 2: he was on the first class of this group, curious,
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Speaker 2: generous and always willing to help his peers. He stayed
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Speaker 2: deeply engaged with our global community ever since, most recently
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Speaker 2: joining us at the Bloomberg City Lab in Madrid to
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Speaker 2: share what Greater Manchester Combined Authority has been learning. So
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Speaker 2: this is an again international network. Learnings are shared horizontally
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Speaker 2: between these different individuals and the organizations that they represent
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Speaker 2: outside of the existing nation state system. That event was
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Speaker 2: in Madrid in Spain, obviously earlier on this year. You
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Speaker 2: can see a picture of him. I was going to
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Speaker 2: show some clips of this, but it's just awful to watch,
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Speaker 2: so I thought I would spare you. So Burnham's there
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Speaker 2: doing his thing then as Mayor of matt Greater Manchester,
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Speaker 2: joined by Sinik Khan. Obviously, I suppose you would expect
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Speaker 2: that in his role as Mayor of London. And Salik
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Speaker 2: Kahan has obviously been bumped upstairs now into the House
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Speaker 2: of Lords by Starmer as he leaves Downing Street left
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Speaker 2: Downing Street Life week. And Karen is another one of
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Speaker 2: these people because apparently he's the Mayor of London, but
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Speaker 2: actually I don't think that he thinks of himself as
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Speaker 2: the Mayor of London. I think that his sites are
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Speaker 2: raised a bit higher than that. Actually, and we talked
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Speaker 2: a lot previously about this organization. This is Sea forty Cities.
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Speaker 2: You see the logo in the bottom left hand corner.
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Speaker 2: This is their visual they put together. Karen is absolutely
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Speaker 2: central to this. The big guy in the middle with
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Speaker 2: the sun behind him Michael Bloomberg, Yes, that would be
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Speaker 2: a hill or I don't know what it is, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but there's certainly something symbolically happening. And also you've got
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Speaker 2: Old red Ken in the top right there as well,
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Speaker 2: with the green circle behind him, who was actually the
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Speaker 2: he initiated this. So actually Sea forty was initiated by
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Speaker 2: Ken Livingston while he was Mayor of London back in
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Speaker 2: two thousand and five, two thousand and six, I think
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Speaker 2: it was Cann's now in that position. There is about
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Speaker 2: one hundred cities in this network and it's completely global,
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Speaker 2: and that's what carn thinks he is. Yeah, that's how
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Speaker 2: he understands himself. He's president of C Forty's. I would
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Speaker 2: imagine that's the thing he's most proud of, the one
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Speaker 2: that he talks about publicly the least. Yeah, because guarantee
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Speaker 2: you the vast majority of voters in London have got
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Speaker 2: no idea what this organization is.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, so he's just put that bag on screen one second.
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Speaker 3: Is he there?
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Speaker 1: Are twice? Or am I imagining he's there? He's definitely
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Speaker 1: there twice. Well, yeah, he's made it twice.
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Speaker 2: On to the visual and you've got Bloomberg again and
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Speaker 2: the left hand corner there as well.
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Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, well that must be relatives is importance absolutely there?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well he is the co president after all.
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Speaker 2: And you know this, this pattern is repeated all the
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Speaker 2: way down through the system from a global level to
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Speaker 2: a local level. So if you just get this up
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Speaker 2: on screen, we can see that C forty Cities is
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Speaker 2: the global organization and those are the kind of big
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Speaker 2: blockbuster cities like London and Madrid and New York and
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Speaker 2: what have you. Then this plays down all the way
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Speaker 2: through the system to a national and then right down
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Speaker 2: to a local level. Talks about these two organizations previously
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Speaker 2: Core Cities UK and Key Cities. Course Cities is a
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Speaker 2: group of what was originally ten cities. You've got Belfast, Birmingham, Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds,
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Speaker 2: Liverpool and Manchester. So this is where Burnham figures. And
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Speaker 2: this organization has been running for at least twenty five
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Speaker 2: years now. So again this is not a new policy.
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Speaker 2: This is something that has been coming along in the
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Speaker 2: background for a significant amount of time and it's something
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Speaker 2: that UK column has been reporting on pretty much since
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Speaker 2: its inception. And actually I'll direct your attention to another
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Speaker 2: article of classic arts called by Martin Edwards called Rotten
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Speaker 2: to the Core, which is about Course Cities. And you know,
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Speaker 2: you get a sense that actually these cities, so Sheffield,
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Speaker 2: Manchester are the ones I've just listed out, are actually
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Speaker 2: some of the most corrupt places in the country and
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Speaker 2: also very heavily linked into common purpose. The supposed political
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Speaker 2: charity that is traded a new elite of leaders to
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Speaker 2: run the country from behind the scenes, completely unelected and
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Speaker 2: very much something that the column talked about a lot
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Speaker 2: about ten years ago, and still very in central and
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Speaker 2: important to the way things are playing out, and not
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Speaker 2: least evidence by the fact that we're still talking about
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Speaker 2: the organizations that they'd infiltrated sitting here today in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty six. So whire city is important. So let's have
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Speaker 2: a little look at what the core cities has to say.
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Speaker 2: So there are an engine for growth and innovation, new
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Speaker 2: things happening, economic growth, prosperity, with international links, global brands.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how many those course cities have actually
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Speaker 2: got global brands, probably just Manchester to be honest with you. Importantly,
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Speaker 2: there were home to a third of the UK population
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Speaker 2: twenty two million people, and that is going to be
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Speaker 2: going up both in actual terms and as a proportion
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Speaker 2: as well, because the drive is to put more and
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Speaker 2: more of our people into these cities.
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Speaker 1: This is very much of the moment.
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Speaker 2: Again from the cour City's website, we can see here
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Speaker 2: that they believe this is time to seize the moment.
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Speaker 2: Written by this chap from Restates looks like a happy
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Speaker 2: little chappie. But just draw your attention to this quote
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Speaker 2: right at the end here, which I think is an
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Speaker 2: absolute classic, where he says that the task now is
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Speaker 2: to capitalize on this moment so that this becomes more
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Speaker 2: than just the pet interest of a small set of
17:23
Speaker 2: policy ons, which is basically what this is. Right, This
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Speaker 2: is this is a technocratic intellectual exercise that has kind
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Speaker 2: of gone out of control in a way. When you say, like,
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Speaker 2: does any no one wants this? This is completely inorganic.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean they wanted, yes, but they of course
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Speaker 3: are built upon these small cliques of alumni networks, whether
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Speaker 3: it's common Purpose or whatever whatever Andy Burnham's leadership, the
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Speaker 3: Bloomberg won or word that kind of like for them,
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Speaker 3: there small cliques of alumni networks. They've got the big ideas,
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Speaker 3: nobody else knows how to run the world, so they're
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Speaker 3: going to.
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Speaker 2: Do it right exactly, and importantly they really don't care
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Speaker 2: whether whether we like it or not. Because when this
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Speaker 2: was voted on, I've spoken about this a number of
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Speaker 2: times previously, right, but when we actually had a referendum
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Speaker 2: on this back in two thousand and six, I think
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Speaker 2: it was. He was rejected out right by the Northeast
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Speaker 2: Region Seer twenty two percent. We didn't want it, No,
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Speaker 2: we do not want it. And yet they're still going ahead.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just coming out from col Cities or
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Speaker 2: See forty as I've talked about, but also from Key Cities,
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Speaker 2: which is a slightly lower level network than Core Cities,
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Speaker 2: and I've got a little film clip to tell you
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Speaker 2: what they're up to in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 5: So we're really proud to host the City Fium this
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Speaker 5: year in Bath as a city that really benefits from
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Speaker 5: the partnership with the Key Cities network. We're much much
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Speaker 5: greater when we work together and we can have a
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Speaker 5: real impact on government policies.
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Speaker 3: In this modern world, cities have to learn from each
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Speaker 3: other to succeed both for themselves and for their residence,
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Speaker 3: which is the most important thing for all of us,
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Speaker 3: well for me.
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Speaker 6: Because of the work that we've done looking at rights
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Speaker 6: to place with Key Cities, we've been looking at projects
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Speaker 6: all over the UK and where we see that the
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Speaker 6: projects have really massive impact is where they bring multiple
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Speaker 6: partners together, whether that's the NHS or local authorities, landowners, charities,
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Speaker 6: are delivering for many, many more audiences.
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Speaker 7: The housing session came first, and actually there were so
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Speaker 7: many crossovers between housing and culture, and I think culture
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Speaker 7: plays a huge part in delivering housing and delivering not
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Speaker 7: just houses, but homes and communities that people can thrive
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Speaker 7: and enjoy living in.
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Speaker 4: More working together, more collaboration, deeper conversations, understanding what our
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Speaker 4: usps are of individual cities. That way we can all
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Speaker 4: offer something to everyone.
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Speaker 8: We know that government's concerned about the level of growth
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Speaker 8: in the in the economy at the moment, we feel
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Speaker 8: that we can deliver with the government in partnership. We've
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Speaker 8: got the space, the lands. We've also got the institutions
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Speaker 8: like universities that can deliver for the government, and we
20:16
Speaker 8: would like the opportunity to demonstrate.
20:19
Speaker 2: Us so collaboration across sector, so bringing in all the
20:27
Speaker 2: different constituent parts of the city to coordinate around shared goals.
20:32
Speaker 2: A lot of that is about housing, and importantly the
20:36
Speaker 2: chapter the end, they're talking about the fact that the
20:38
Speaker 2: key cities have got space and land and the universities
20:43
Speaker 2: and that they can essentially gift this central government in
20:46
Speaker 2: order to deliver shared objectives. And this will all be
20:50
Speaker 2: presented as economic growth. Ultimately, this is what has been
20:54
Speaker 2: doing up in Manchester's what manchester Ism is, and it's
20:58
Speaker 2: covering the entire country now, including in our backyard. And
21:01
Speaker 2: this was just announced a few few days ago that
21:04
Speaker 2: we are now going to be part of Greater Plymouth
21:07
Speaker 2: as Plymouth Council are going to swallow up thirteen parishes
21:12
Speaker 2: in the south Hams critics calling it a land grab.
21:14
Speaker 2: Tudor Evans, the leader of Plymouth Council, was rubbing his
21:18
Speaker 2: hands with glee. Can't wait to get his hands on
21:21
Speaker 2: all of that new territory in the south of the county.
21:25
Speaker 2: And this is how the whole agenda, from a global
21:29
Speaker 2: level to a local level is being rolled out. And
21:32
Speaker 2: Andy Burnham is absolutely an agent of this system.
21:37
Speaker 1: So one percent.
21:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, moving on, So we got an update on the
21:42
Speaker 2: Mull of Kintyre helicopter crash.
21:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's just remind everybody what happened here on
21:48
Speaker 3: during the second nineteen eighty four Arif crushed on the
21:52
Speaker 3: malk and Tarret in Scotland on route from Arif Aldergrove,
21:55
Speaker 3: Northern Ireland to Fort George Ira Barracks near Inverness in Scotland.
21:58
Speaker 3: Twenty nine people on board, including almost all of the
22:01
Speaker 3: United Kingdom's senior Northern Ireland intelligence experts. They were being
22:05
Speaker 3: taken to a security conference. The accident was said to
22:09
Speaker 3: have happened in foggy conditions, and the exact cause has
22:13
Speaker 3: never been quite agreed upon. In nineteen ninety five, an
22:17
Speaker 3: RAF Board of Inquiry decided that it was impossible to
22:20
Speaker 3: establish the exact cause of the accident. That decision was
22:23
Speaker 3: overturned by two senior reviewing officers, who decided that the
22:28
Speaker 3: two pilots were guilty of gross negligence for flying too
22:31
Speaker 3: fast and too law low in the thick fog. That
22:36
Speaker 3: finding of negligence was challenged in subsequent years by the
22:39
Speaker 3: House Commons Defense Committee, also the House of Commons Public
22:42
Speaker 3: Accounts Committee, and in two thousand and two the two
22:45
Speaker 3: RAF pilots were cleared of lamb for the crash by
22:48
Speaker 3: a subsequent inquiry, which was held by Lord Johnson. The
22:52
Speaker 3: Government of the day refused to agree with the decision,
22:54
Speaker 3: and then in two thousand and nine The Daily Telegraph
22:57
Speaker 3: revealed documents published on the day of the crash saying
23:00
Speaker 3: that the Chinook was not fit for service and should
23:03
Speaker 3: have been granted. In twenty ten, then linked military Ministry
23:07
Speaker 3: of Defense documents suggested that there were more serious concerns
23:11
Speaker 3: that software this was the engine control software on board
23:14
Speaker 3: the aircraft was positively dangerous. Liam Fox was the Defense
23:18
Speaker 3: Secretary at the time, and he announced there would be
23:21
Speaker 3: an independent review of the crash. For several years, Computer
23:25
Speaker 3: Weekly was the main outlet which was campaigning on the
23:30
Speaker 3: basis that there was clear evidence of problems with the
23:32
Speaker 3: FEDEC engine management software. And then twenty eleven Ministry of
23:36
Speaker 3: Defense documents were discovered which indicated that there had been
23:39
Speaker 3: concerns over oir worthiness two years before the crash. And
23:43
Speaker 3: then finally on the thirteenth of July twenty eleven, Lilliam Fox,
23:48
Speaker 3: still the Defense Secretary, apologized to the families of the
23:51
Speaker 3: two RAF pilots after an independent review led by Lord
23:54
Speaker 3: Phillips had cleared them of negligence. So, as I said,
23:57
Speaker 3: there were twenty five kinder insurgency counter terrorism intelligence personnel
24:02
Speaker 3: on the helicopter. It's a bit strange that they were
24:05
Speaker 3: all on one helicopter. And I don't think if you
24:08
Speaker 3: were operating in the commercial world even that you would
24:11
Speaker 3: have all your key staff on a single flight or
24:13
Speaker 3: a single helicopter, So there are many unanswered questions about
24:17
Speaker 3: this instant, not least who took the decision to have
24:20
Speaker 3: all these people traveling on the same helicopter and I
24:23
Speaker 3: Over the years, despite the fact that lots of people,
24:26
Speaker 3: including the families and friends of the families of those killed,
24:29
Speaker 3: as well as fellow servicemen, have been campaigning to have
24:32
Speaker 3: the truth come out, every effort has been made by
24:35
Speaker 3: successive British governments to keep the truth covered up. And
24:38
Speaker 3: for example, going back a number of years of Belfast
24:41
Speaker 3: newsletter here reported efforts by the government to destroy files.
24:46
Speaker 3: They reported the Ministrated Defense had confirmed to the newsletter
24:50
Speaker 3: that all files related to the crash which were closed
24:53
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five in nineteen ninety six would be
24:56
Speaker 3: reviewed that year for disposal or as a spokesperson and
25:00
Speaker 3: said records closed in nineteen ninety five ninety six will
25:03
Speaker 3: be reviewed for release or alternative disposal this year. These
25:07
Speaker 3: reviews have not been completed and the decision will be
25:09
Speaker 3: made in due course. One of the campaigners at the
25:13
Speaker 3: time was a guy called Brian Dixon. He put a
25:15
Speaker 3: petition up on the government petition website, and the petition
25:19
Speaker 3: was entitled ensure all records relating so that Shenew crash
25:22
Speaker 3: in ninety four are archived at Q and it went
25:26
Speaker 3: on to say that you knowew crash on the mull
25:27
Speaker 3: of Kantar and the second of June nineteen ninety four
25:29
Speaker 3: resulted in the loss of twenty nine souls. The plots
25:32
Speaker 3: that chunk were wrongly blamed for the accident, resulting in
25:34
Speaker 3: the seventeen year fight. This is at the time to
25:37
Speaker 3: clear their names. It was eventually proved that the Ministry
25:40
Speaker 3: of Defense had wrongly blamed the deceased pilots. The seventeen
25:44
Speaker 3: year miscarriage of justice brought about immense public support, several
25:48
Speaker 3: parliamentary debates in both houses, early day motions, reports from
25:52
Speaker 3: the National Audit Office, and kindless sde of his correspondence
25:54
Speaker 3: to and from the Ministry Defense. Collectively, this is an
25:57
Speaker 3: important record of mad and Raf feelings and the loss
26:04
Speaker 3: of this would be detrimental to providing important learning opportunities
26:07
Speaker 3: for future military leaders if we just put that back
26:10
Speaker 3: on screen for a second. Because the petition went up
26:12
Speaker 3: and within a few days it was taken straight downing
26:14
Speaker 3: In fact, within a few hours, it was taken straight
26:16
Speaker 3: down again and the government said we're checker or the
26:19
Speaker 3: Parliament said we're checking this petition to see if it
26:21
Speaker 3: meets the petition standards before we publish it. So that
26:24
Speaker 3: was five people that had the chance to sign it
26:27
Speaker 3: at that point. It is true that that was put
26:31
Speaker 3: back up after a few days, but by that time
26:34
Speaker 3: this energy, you know, because the energy that people are
26:36
Speaker 3: sharing links and the energy of that is in the
26:39
Speaker 3: first few days, and that thing disappears and people can't sign,
26:43
Speaker 3: it's hard to get the energy back into it. But nonetheless,
26:46
Speaker 3: since then there have been more petitions and the mold
26:49
Speaker 3: still refuses to release the records. A month or so ago,
26:55
Speaker 3: b FBS News published a report on YouTube on the
26:59
Speaker 3: Chinook in which they discussed the documents that still haven't
27:03
Speaker 3: been released. Let's just have a quick quick listen to this.
27:07
Speaker 9: The documents have been sealed from the public for one
27:11
Speaker 9: hundred years, but the mod has now released some of
27:14
Speaker 9: them due to a freedom of information request submitted by
27:18
Speaker 9: BFBS forces News. What was your reaction on reading them?
27:24
Speaker 4: Shock?
27:24
Speaker 10: Initially? Shock in two ways. First of all, was the
27:30
Speaker 10: personal information that was including these documents to be released
27:34
Speaker 10: without the relevant families being informed. The second main reaction
27:38
Speaker 10: has to be the detail in there from certain individuals
27:43
Speaker 10: like senior m Marshals, who clearly knew of the concerns
27:46
Speaker 10: to do with this helicopter at the time.
27:51
Speaker 3: So two weeks ago Forward Defense Secretary Liam Fox joined
27:56
Speaker 3: families concerned at Dining Street if we put this on
27:59
Speaker 3: screen to deliver a letter calling for a fresh review
28:02
Speaker 3: into the case, independent of the Ministry Defense, and Liam
28:06
Speaker 3: Fox said he believed a cover up may have taken place.
28:09
Speaker 3: But just under a week ago, a High Court judge
28:13
Speaker 3: ruled that a legal challenge brought against the Ministry Defense
28:15
Speaker 3: by the relatives of the victims of the crash would
28:18
Speaker 3: not be allowed to proceed. So it's now thirty two
28:21
Speaker 3: years and so far the cover up is still in place.
28:25
Speaker 3: This is yet another example of the British State simply
28:28
Speaker 3: hoping that the families affected will die before they've forced
28:31
Speaker 3: to reveal the truth. I've got to argue that it
28:34
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what side of the Northern Ireland argument anyone
28:37
Speaker 3: is on, the British state can't be allowed to get
28:39
Speaker 3: away with this type of cover up because there are
28:41
Speaker 3: many many cover ups that need to see the light
28:44
Speaker 3: of day. Matt Campbell a completely unrelated event, but nine
28:47
Speaker 3: to eleven still not getting a proper in quest into
28:50
Speaker 3: his brother's death on nine to eleven. But there are
28:52
Speaker 3: other examples of this as well. The British government does
28:56
Speaker 3: not like to admit to feelings of this type or
29:01
Speaker 3: I mean, exactly why were these people all on the
29:04
Speaker 3: same helicopter. It just continues. We could argue that the
29:08
Speaker 3: post Office is another example, and the post Office is
29:11
Speaker 3: another great example of Computer Weekly jumping on a campaign
29:15
Speaker 3: and running it, running with it. So you know, I
29:19
Speaker 3: don't know where this goes, but these families do need
29:22
Speaker 3: a lot of public support. I spoke to because I
29:25
Speaker 3: visited raf OLDI Growth a number of times in nineteen
29:28
Speaker 3: ninety five and spoke to some of the colleagues of
29:30
Speaker 3: the people that had died of the pilots at the time,
29:33
Speaker 3: and although they weren't prepared to say anything that would,
29:38
Speaker 3: you know, put them in breach of any kind of
29:41
Speaker 3: secrecy laws, they were absolutely determined that this was not
29:45
Speaker 3: a case of incompetence on behalf of the pilots. And
29:48
Speaker 3: I'm going to say there's no possibility of it Frankly,
29:52
Speaker 3: these guys were serious pilots, and they knew the route,
29:57
Speaker 3: and they knew the lie of the land. In the
30:00
Speaker 3: well look and tired, they certainly knew not to be flying.
30:02
Speaker 3: And I hate for a controlled flight into Turin under
30:06
Speaker 3: the circumstances. Something went wrong with that helicopter. I have
30:09
Speaker 3: no died.
30:09
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's really disgusting behavior on the part of
30:13
Speaker 2: the government. Unsurprising unfortunately, to throw their colleagues under the
30:18
Speaker 2: bus like that.
30:19
Speaker 1: Yes, and I figuratively.
30:20
Speaker 2: Speaking Great World by Computer Weekly, though I was quite
30:23
Speaker 2: surprised when you said that, you.
30:25
Speaker 3: Know, I mean because because one of the possibilities is
30:29
Speaker 3: that it is a software yeah issue, and they were
30:33
Speaker 3: absolutely on that cass for years.
30:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:36
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds to me like that was certainly something
30:40
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30:44
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30:49
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35:15
Speaker 1: Fantastic sounds our a plan. Okay, very good. Now we're
35:19
Speaker 1: going to have a look at the way in which
35:21
Speaker 1: world economic foreign policy is being injected into the heart
35:24
Speaker 1: of the UK Civil Service, and in order to do so,
35:27
Speaker 1: we're going to take a trip up to the Darlington
35:30
Speaker 1: Economic Campus.
35:41
Speaker 11: So there are three main reasons why the government wants
35:43
Speaker 11: to relocate civil servants. The first is to give talent
35:46
Speaker 11: to people who may not want to live or work
35:48
Speaker 11: in London. The opportunity to contribute to the civil service,
35:51
Speaker 11: bringing their diversity of thought into the way the civil
35:53
Speaker 11: service works. Secondly is to change the way that policy
35:57
Speaker 11: is made, exposing policymakers to different realities and different external
36:00
Speaker 11: stakeholders in different parts of the country. And the third,
36:03
Speaker 11: which we're a little more skeptical about, is to level
36:06
Speaker 11: up deprived areas, so bring public sector jobs there to
36:09
Speaker 11: boost the local economy and also increase pride in place.
36:15
Speaker 11: There's a long history of the Government trying to move
36:17
Speaker 11: civil service jobs out of London. The Fulton Report all
36:20
Speaker 11: the way back into the nineteen sixties recommended it, as
36:22
Speaker 11: did the Lines Review in two thousand and four and
36:24
Speaker 11: the Smith Review in twenty ten. I think it's worth
36:27
Speaker 11: noting that almost eighty percent of civil servants are already
36:29
Speaker 11: outside London, so actually what's new about this current process
36:32
Speaker 11: is that they're trying to move policy and senior civil
36:34
Speaker 11: servants outside of London. Both of those groups are disproportionately
36:38
Speaker 11: based in the Capitol. The Darlington Economic Campus is the
36:44
Speaker 11: government's flagship campus for civil service relocation. It's comprised of
36:48
Speaker 11: nine departments or public bodies, including the Treasury, which is
36:51
Speaker 11: the campus's headline Department if you like, and the Department
36:54
Speaker 11: for Education, which had seven hundred staff already based in
36:57
Speaker 11: Darlington before the rest of the departments moved up to
36:59
Speaker 11: Joe them in twenty two.
37:03
Speaker 2: So the civil service is moving out of London. It's
37:06
Speaker 2: probably a good thing, to be honest with you, In
37:09
Speaker 2: the sane world, that would probably be the way to
37:11
Speaker 2: run things. But unfortunately, as we've spoken about a lot,
37:13
Speaker 2: it's not about giving the electorate more power. It's about
37:16
Speaker 2: bringing power closer to the electorates can get our hands
37:18
Speaker 2: around us. But they're moving more policy and senior civil
37:23
Speaker 2: servant types out of London to getting closer to the electorate. Two,
37:28
Speaker 2: spread economic opportunity. All of those well paid civil service
37:31
Speaker 2: jobs are now going to be in Darlington rather than
37:33
Speaker 2: in s W one or wherever it might be. So
37:36
Speaker 2: apparently that's a good thing, increase pride in place, so
37:39
Speaker 2: many benefits. And let's have a look at the architectural
37:42
Speaker 2: wonder of the building, shall we? Oh, No, I've got
37:45
Speaker 2: pop to heead of myself. What's going on there?
37:48
Speaker 1: She is?
37:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so many spoilers on the news today, unfortunately.
37:52
Speaker 2: So there's this is the Darlington Economic Campus classic beautiful
37:58
Speaker 2: bit of modern civil service architecture. Description up on the
38:02
Speaker 2: government website you can go and read about the whole
38:05
Speaker 2: background to it, but essentially describes itself as a multi
38:08
Speaker 2: department government hub in the northeast of England where Insight
38:11
Speaker 2: has developed policies made and delivered through a diverse workforce. Importantly,
38:16
Speaker 2: this is a diverse workforce and it brings together all
38:19
Speaker 2: of these departments. So in the video that we've just
38:22
Speaker 2: watched that was made a couple of years ago by
38:24
Speaker 2: the Institute for Government, it was originally what this was
38:28
Speaker 2: headed up by the Treasury essentially, so they wanted to
38:30
Speaker 2: move Treasury people out out of London to this campus.
38:34
Speaker 1: But they've now.
38:35
Speaker 2: Brought in eight more departments. She've got the Department for
38:39
Speaker 2: Business and Trade, Department for Leveling up Housing and Communities,
38:43
Speaker 2: the Office for National Statistics, the Department for Energy Security
38:46
Speaker 2: and net Zero, the Department and Culture, Media and Sports,
38:49
Speaker 2: so Offcom and everything like that is related to that,
38:52
Speaker 2: Competitions and Market Authority, the Department for Education, Department for sciencey,
38:55
Speaker 2: Innovation and Technology. I think all you would need to
38:58
Speaker 2: do is throw health into that and you'd have pretty
39:00
Speaker 2: much the entire country wouldn't you. All right, So this
39:03
Speaker 2: is the model that they're using to transform government. So've
39:07
Speaker 2: created this incubator, this laboratory in this new physical location
39:11
Speaker 2: in the northeast of England, and they're moving government departments
39:15
Speaker 2: over there, slowly but surely, and they're going to take
39:18
Speaker 2: in high performing people, people who are creative and innovative
39:22
Speaker 2: and open to doing things in new ways and importantly
39:25
Speaker 2: can work effectively across sector. So this is something that
39:30
Speaker 2: Common Purpose used to talk about a lot of breaking
39:32
Speaker 2: down silos.
39:34
Speaker 1: So rather than being just in Treasury.
39:36
Speaker 2: The people who are in the Dialancing Economic Campus will
39:38
Speaker 2: be in Treasury but also have a direct line into
39:41
Speaker 2: all of these other departments as well. And that is
39:43
Speaker 2: a way to rapidly move test and learn ideas for
39:47
Speaker 2: policy through the development, the decision making and the implementation
39:52
Speaker 2: process in order to bring in this new system that
39:56
Speaker 2: we're being transitioned to. And importantly, this is not a
39:59
Speaker 2: new thing that appeared on the labor This was actually
40:03
Speaker 2: introduced in twenty twenty one by Rishie Sunak. The he's
40:10
Speaker 2: just an accountant, isn't he? Look at him in his
40:12
Speaker 2: little backpack there, he's such a geek. I was going
40:16
Speaker 2: to subject you to a video of him talking about
40:18
Speaker 2: how fantastic it all is, but I just couldn't do
40:20
Speaker 2: it to you today. But not a great way to
40:22
Speaker 2: start the week, but generous twice. Yeah, I know I'm
40:25
Speaker 2: putting my punches today a little bit. But crucially this
40:28
Speaker 2: is this is this is absolutely central to what we
40:31
Speaker 2: talk about here all the time, right, is that we
40:34
Speaker 2: might have a labor government now, we might have a
40:36
Speaker 2: new prime minister today, but all of the operational stuff
40:40
Speaker 2: going in the back end of the state is exactly
40:42
Speaker 2: the same. Nothing has changed, right, So this, the Darlings
40:46
Speaker 2: and Economic Campus, has been brought in by SUNAC in
40:48
Speaker 2: order to progress well is ultimately a global agenda, a
40:51
Speaker 2: global policy agenda, and a total transformation of the back
40:54
Speaker 2: end of the state.
40:55
Speaker 1: But Star has let it.
40:57
Speaker 2: Run and actually Rachel Rees was there last week and
41:01
Speaker 2: so you can see here that she was using it
41:03
Speaker 2: as a way to go and meet with some of
41:05
Speaker 2: the Metro mayors who are also a crucial part of
41:09
Speaker 2: this new system that they're building, as we've talked about
41:11
Speaker 2: a great length earlier on in the show. So you
41:13
Speaker 2: can see here this is the mayor of York and
41:15
Speaker 2: North Yorkshire. The fellow on the left in the picture
41:18
Speaker 2: David Scaith and he's excited because this is a chancellor
41:21
Speaker 2: that is backing mayors. Great to meet Rachel today discussed
41:26
Speaker 2: going further and faster on devolution because they are absolutely
41:29
Speaker 2: desperate to get this thing over the line and move
41:32
Speaker 2: it forward as quickly as they possibly can. And the
41:34
Speaker 2: Economic Campus itself was here saying this is fantastic. Rachel
41:38
Speaker 2: Reeves was here bringing together regional leaders at the Dynington
41:42
Speaker 2: Economic Campus. Highlights the important role government campuses outside London
41:45
Speaker 2: planes shaping policy, strengthening partnerships, et cetera, et cetera. So
41:49
Speaker 2: this is a vehicle that was designed and implemented by
41:52
Speaker 2: the previous Tory government but is now still in daily
41:56
Speaker 2: use by the civil service and regular use by senior
42:00
Speaker 2: members of the labor Cabinet. All right, I'm talking about
42:03
Speaker 2: Uniparties is exactly the kind of thing that we're talking about. Crucially,
42:08
Speaker 2: it is also the focal point for a program of
42:11
Speaker 2: activity being run by this organization. I spoke about a
42:15
Speaker 2: lot at the end of last year. This is a
42:16
Speaker 2: forward institute and they don't just want to navigate the future,
42:20
Speaker 2: they want to lead the future, and it is one
42:23
Speaker 2: of these nonprofit leadership networks. We're going to bring through
42:28
Speaker 2: the new generation who are going to run the country,
42:31
Speaker 2: and we're going to work with big international corporations. You
42:34
Speaker 2: can see on the bottom right hand side their BCG, Netflix, Unilever,
42:38
Speaker 2: the NHS are in the mixture. This is public, this
42:40
Speaker 2: is private. You've got the Army there, You've got the
42:43
Speaker 2: UK Civil Service right on the bottom right hand side.
42:46
Speaker 2: And importantly it is run by this guy, Adam Grideki.
42:49
Speaker 2: And I won't run through his whole CV because there's
42:52
Speaker 2: a lot to talk about there, but the main thing
42:53
Speaker 2: to understand is that.
42:54
Speaker 1: He is a World Economic Forum asset.
42:57
Speaker 2: Essentially, he was part of the World Economic Forum Global
43:00
Speaker 2: shape Shaper program, which is like the Young Global Leaders
43:03
Speaker 2: for the under thirties, and he is therefore pushing the
43:06
Speaker 2: World Economic Forum agenda through the Forward Institute. And the
43:09
Speaker 2: Forward Institute is running this year a series of programs
43:13
Speaker 2: at Darlington Economic Campus to design and deliver a powerful
43:17
Speaker 2: cross sector leadership development program for the Northeast Tees Valley
43:20
Speaker 2: and York and North Yorkshire. And this program is designed
43:25
Speaker 2: to develop the leaders who will shape the region's future.
43:30
Speaker 2: Deep in collaboration across sectors. This is this breaking down
43:33
Speaker 2: silo scenes that we talk about before and turn leadership
43:36
Speaker 2: capability into practical collective action that strengthens economic and social
43:41
Speaker 2: outcomes for communities across the region. Yeah, and that duality
43:45
Speaker 2: between economic and social outcomes is absolutely critical because they
43:48
Speaker 2: always talk about this. They want to have economic growth
43:51
Speaker 2: while improving social outcomes, which supposedly that kind of sounds
43:54
Speaker 2: like a good thing, right, But the thing is economic
43:57
Speaker 2: growth means the implementation of the World Economic Forum Fourth
44:01
Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution agenda and you know, selling off valuable pieces
44:06
Speaker 2: of public land to international property investors and all of
44:10
Speaker 2: the things that we talk about here on a regular basis.
44:12
Speaker 2: And the social outcomes is essentially about bringing the whole
44:15
Speaker 2: of society into this neo communist, technocratic state, which is
44:23
Speaker 2: what we're ultimately being pushed towards here, right. And organizations
44:27
Speaker 2: like Forward Institute, with his very clear links into the
44:30
Speaker 2: World Economic Forum, are coordinating how the training and the
44:35
Speaker 2: networking between organizations between the leaders of these particularly the
44:40
Speaker 2: future leaders of these organizations has taking place, and that's
44:43
Speaker 2: already having a direct impact on the on the region
44:49
Speaker 2: in the Northeast. So actually when I went to the
44:52
Speaker 2: Innovation Zero event at the Kensington Olympia back in may
44:56
Speaker 2: Tees Valley was one of the biggest stands there, right,
45:00
Speaker 2: and this was all about driving innovation through collaboration. Again
45:03
Speaker 2: that term collaboration breaking down silos, right, this is always
45:07
Speaker 2: used by these people. There'll be a bunch of public
45:10
Speaker 2: and private sector organizations collaborating. As you can see at
45:13
Speaker 2: the bottom they're listed out. This whole program is about
45:16
Speaker 2: creating the world's first net zero industrial cluster by twenty
45:19
Speaker 2: forty two and it is huge. So this is the
45:23
Speaker 2: industrial heartlands of the Northeast repurposed around a green technology
45:29
Speaker 2: revolution that has been designed and disseminated down into the
45:35
Speaker 2: UK from the World Economic Forum and the UN and
45:41
Speaker 2: the Dialington Economic Campus is if my map is map
45:47
Speaker 2: reading skills are correct, is located just there on this
45:52
Speaker 2: map from the image that I took in back in
45:56
Speaker 2: maya Innovation Zero. So this is absolutely crucial mechanism, a
46:01
Speaker 2: perfect exemplar of how a civil service is transforming itself,
46:07
Speaker 2: bringing in external influences and extending networks out across industry,
46:13
Speaker 2: what they call civil society and the rest of government
46:16
Speaker 2: in order to deliver a global agenda.
46:20
Speaker 3: Okay, let's move on to well, we'll start in Germany here.
46:24
Speaker 3: Actually if we bring on this from DPA. Sorry, so
46:29
Speaker 3: basically no evidence about the Germans are not saying that
46:33
Speaker 3: the risk of terrorist attacks can now be expected at
46:37
Speaker 3: any time has increased. Of course, they're blaming this on Iran,
46:41
Speaker 3: that Iran is the new terrorist.
46:43
Speaker 1: The new Russia.
46:44
Speaker 3: Then well, yes, they said that they've upgraded their terrorism alerts.
46:50
Speaker 3: They've said that the previously described abstract threat level is
46:55
Speaker 3: now a high threat level. They said that plans for
46:58
Speaker 3: attacks against our country are clearly evident. I'm not sure
47:02
Speaker 3: that that's the case at all. And in fact, as
47:04
Speaker 3: we discussed on Friday's program, attacks may be taking place,
47:09
Speaker 3: but it probably will be happening on the basis of
47:12
Speaker 3: an organization with a four letter acronym that doesn't really exist.
47:17
Speaker 1: Right.
47:19
Speaker 3: But then on top of that we have this situation.
47:23
Speaker 3: I'm putting this under the banner of war because it's
47:26
Speaker 3: war related, or at least it's related to what's going
47:28
Speaker 3: on or most so, basically, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, sorry,
47:33
Speaker 3: Ministry of Economy, Environment and Agriculture have said that they
47:37
Speaker 3: are going to be exporting double the amount of dery
47:40
Speaker 3: products by twenty thirty five, and Holland is going to
47:44
Speaker 3: contribute forty million euros by the World Bank's International Finance
47:48
Speaker 3: Cooperation for seeds and other materials, as well as providing
47:52
Speaker 3: financial and technical support. But in the meantime, the Dutch
47:56
Speaker 3: government has announced that their farming industry is going to
47:58
Speaker 3: have to cut itself in high of because of the
48:01
Speaker 3: nitrogen problem, and they're going to have to reduce basically
48:06
Speaker 3: the ammonia and other nitrogen compounds that are used on
48:10
Speaker 3: the fields. And of course alongside of that they're absolutely
48:14
Speaker 3: demanding that the number of animals that are being kept
48:18
Speaker 3: by farmers are reduced as well. So this is very
48:21
Speaker 3: much similar policy to what's going on in the UK
48:26
Speaker 3: with the amount of livestock being cut. But you know,
48:31
Speaker 3: the straits of hormus being used as the excuse for that.
48:35
Speaker 3: Quite an incredible situation. But in the meantime here in
48:39
Speaker 3: the UK we've got to be freed, very unfreid of fact,
48:42
Speaker 3: because according to the Express, Russia is coming. In fact
48:46
Speaker 3: they're already here. We're already they say, locked in the
48:50
Speaker 3: middle of a silent, invisible global war and everyday citizens
48:54
Speaker 3: are on the front line. Are you scared then, I'm terrified.
48:59
Speaker 3: Good security officials, they say, have warned that it's no
49:02
Speaker 3: longer a question of whether a catastrophic breach cyber breach
49:06
Speaker 3: will occur, but rather of when. If this is true,
49:11
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask why they're pushing so hard to
49:13
Speaker 3: have everyone's intimate details held in a host of databases.
49:18
Speaker 3: You know, if this were really true, would they not
49:20
Speaker 3: be developing policies that are privacy based.
49:22
Speaker 1: Yeah?
49:23
Speaker 3: Anyway, But this nonsense follows a joint statement from the
49:26
Speaker 3: National Cybersecurity Center which is published earlier this month and
49:30
Speaker 3: co signed by agencies from Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Italy,
49:35
Speaker 3: New Zealand, Poland, Sweden, and the United States. And they're
49:38
Speaker 3: saying that the UK and international allies strongly urge action
49:42
Speaker 3: to better defend against the threat from Russian state intelligence actors.
49:46
Speaker 3: And I'm going to say this is such a load
49:48
Speaker 3: of nonsense, because allegations of Russian state backed hacking incidents
49:52
Speaker 3: are questionable, and since the only evidence we ever have
49:55
Speaker 3: from it comes from the NCSC themselves. But on the
49:58
Speaker 3: other hand, the scale of Indian and African scams on
50:02
Speaker 3: the population of the UK that is pretty well understood
50:06
Speaker 3: and pretty much public records. So around four point four
50:09
Speaker 3: million incidents of fraud in the year ending December twenty
50:11
Speaker 3: twenty five the Home Office. But well, the latest figures
50:15
Speaker 3: for the actual cost of this from the Home Office
50:17
Speaker 3: only go to March twenty twenty four, and so the
50:21
Speaker 3: year ending March twenty twenty four, fourteen point four billion
50:25
Speaker 3: pounds was the cost to the British population, of which
50:28
Speaker 3: nine point two billion pounds fell on individuals and five
50:31
Speaker 3: point two billion on businesses. And that's considering that fraud
50:36
Speaker 3: is heavily underreported, because the Crime Survey for England and
50:40
Speaker 3: Wales estimates only around fourteen percent is reported. And yet
50:44
Speaker 3: we hear nothing about this from the NCSC or the
50:47
Speaker 3: corporate media because there's no value in it for them,
50:49
Speaker 3: because Britain's not planning to go to war with either
50:51
Speaker 3: India or Nigeria this week, and so we're not going
50:54
Speaker 3: to hear anything about that. But we are going to
50:56
Speaker 3: hear about fake narratives of Russian steed hagging on our
51:02
Speaker 3: bank accounts or whatever it happens to.
51:03
Speaker 2: Be right, and not a lot about the fact that
51:07
Speaker 2: the UK Biobank, you know, where they had like five
51:09
Speaker 2: million people's genetic codes. We're just taken off the website
51:12
Speaker 2: and the availablet on githubin.
51:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, that must have been Russia.
51:17
Speaker 1: Mustn't it completely completely?
51:22
Speaker 2: Inet civil service it delivery probably part of it as well. Absolutely,
51:29
Speaker 2: So anyway back to back to Andy, Yes, indeed, Yeah,
51:33
Speaker 2: we can talk about deliberative democracy and the fact that
51:35
Speaker 2: if you are going to bring in a whole new
51:37
Speaker 2: policy agenda that is going to completely destroy the nation
51:40
Speaker 2: state system and transform my way of life, you have
51:42
Speaker 2: to manufacture consent to it, otherwise people wouldn't go along. Now,
51:46
Speaker 2: I talked about Burnham's self proclaimed love of Manchester. He's
51:51
Speaker 2: a Manchist, Manchesterist. He was promoting manchester Ism and I.
51:57
Speaker 1: Showed this chart a couple of weeks ago.
51:58
Speaker 2: He talked about the two kind of key influences for
52:01
Speaker 2: him in the development of this philosophy of Manchesterism that
52:04
Speaker 2: he keeps talking about. One is Howard Bernstein In the
52:07
Speaker 2: former Chief Executive Manchester Council from ninety eight to twenty seventeen.
52:11
Speaker 2: But also importantly Tony Wilson, the founder of Factory Records,
52:15
Speaker 2: founder of the Hassi End of nightclub as well for
52:17
Speaker 2: people who are inter acid house music, and for my money,
52:22
Speaker 2: this splits out across people can profit. Basically, you could
52:25
Speaker 2: also call this a citizen and commerce. You know, it's
52:32
Speaker 2: that split between the human and the commercial going on
52:35
Speaker 2: in the background. And we talked a lot about the
52:37
Speaker 2: profit side of this a couple of weeks ago with
52:40
Speaker 2: the Manchesterism and the fact that this created a very
52:43
Speaker 2: lucrative public private marketplace for property developers across Manchester. But
52:48
Speaker 2: the people bit is just as important, right because you
52:51
Speaker 2: need to generate support for these policies, and they do
52:55
Speaker 2: that through Democratic Innovation. Factory International, which is the the
53:01
Speaker 2: legacy organization that out of the back of Factory Records
53:04
Speaker 2: that was created by Tony Wilson, have been running a
53:08
Speaker 2: lot of this information on their website about citizens Assemblies.
53:13
Speaker 2: I reported on this too, or maybe even three years
53:15
Speaker 2: ago now. Actually this was the fate of Britain and
53:19
Speaker 2: Citizens Assemblies were absolutely front and center of what they
53:22
Speaker 2: were saying that they wanted to see happening in the country.
53:25
Speaker 2: And importantly Greater Manchester has been used as a laboratory
53:29
Speaker 2: for testing out this approach with the Greater the Citizens
53:32
Speaker 2: Assembly campaign, and we're going to show a short video
53:36
Speaker 2: now of the campaign talking about what they've been up to.
53:41
Speaker 12: Greater Manchester is amazing. Why because of the people. Throughout
53:48
Speaker 12: our history, Manchester and its people have been leaders, pioneers, creators, visionaries.
53:56
Speaker 12: Now it's time for the world's first in industrial city
54:01
Speaker 12: to become a leader in local democracy and participation. It's
54:06
Speaker 12: time to trust the people with decisions about our own
54:09
Speaker 12: city to make the decisions that affect us ourselves. We
54:15
Speaker 12: need an assembly of ordinary people selected a bit like
54:19
Speaker 12: a jury, to represent and reflect who we are as
54:24
Speaker 12: the people who live in our great city. And we
54:27
Speaker 12: don't need permission from anyone to do that. Really, we
54:31
Speaker 12: can set up our own permanent Citizens Assembly for Greater
54:34
Speaker 12: Manchester if we want it. No one can stop us.
54:38
Speaker 12: It's time for Manchester and it's people to step up
54:41
Speaker 12: and lead once again. After all, it's what we've always
54:45
Speaker 12: done best.
54:54
Speaker 1: Sounds great, hah. So here I'm going to proposal for you. Might.
54:58
Speaker 2: I'm going to randomly select one hundre people from the
55:01
Speaker 2: whole population of Plymouth maybe will make it Greater Plymouth
55:05
Speaker 2: to increase the diversity and then they're going to make
55:08
Speaker 2: all the decisions that you and I are going to
55:09
Speaker 2: have to buy by do you reckon?
55:12
Speaker 3: That's fine as long as they get to control which
55:14
Speaker 3: decisions they get to big that they have and.
55:17
Speaker 2: The information ecosystem that they're in, And yeah, that would
55:21
Speaker 2: be quite nice, wouldn't it. Unfortunately, I think there's probably
55:23
Speaker 2: just Tudor Evans and the other people at the top
55:25
Speaker 2: of the council are going to be the ones that
55:27
Speaker 2: are able to do that. But this is the problem, right,
55:29
Speaker 2: So they're pushing this democratic innovation, participatory democracy, deliberatey democracy
55:36
Speaker 2: to different terms for it, but it's basically very tightly
55:39
Speaker 2: controlled and stage managed charade ultimately, right. But they're presenting
55:46
Speaker 2: it as they actually likened it to the jury troll.
55:51
Speaker 2: Did you hear that in the video?
55:53
Speaker 3: I hadn't heard. I didn't noticed that. But that's a
55:55
Speaker 3: good analogy. And of course the question is they're going
55:57
Speaker 3: to expect people to give up their time from their
56:01
Speaker 3: jobs and so on. Are they going to pay them
56:03
Speaker 3: because the jury trialie get paid very little. Jury trial
56:07
Speaker 3: is considered to be something that people absolutely should do,
56:09
Speaker 3: but high are they going to convince people to do
56:11
Speaker 3: this and if they can't convince ordinary people to do this,
56:14
Speaker 3: are these assemblies going to be packed with yes man
56:19
Speaker 3: from angels and other financed people?
56:22
Speaker 1: Well? Right, which is the issue?
56:23
Speaker 2: And actually Brian went to a citizen engagement session and
56:27
Speaker 2: there where he lives a little while ago, to talk
56:29
Speaker 2: about some of the future plans for Plymouth and they
56:31
Speaker 2: were basically running the Delphi technique in the meeting where
56:36
Speaker 2: they had a series of tables with five or six
56:38
Speaker 2: people and then there was a facilitator who was the
56:41
Speaker 2: one that was guiding the questions and writing the notes
56:43
Speaker 2: and actually deciding what did and didn't happen in the
56:47
Speaker 2: conversation and what was actually agreed right, and is the
56:52
Speaker 2: potential for abuse here is absolutely huge. Manchester has been
56:57
Speaker 2: at the forefront of trialing this is you just saw
57:00
Speaker 2: in that film. They don't think that they need permission
57:03
Speaker 2: to do it. They're just going ahead and setting this
57:05
Speaker 2: whole thing up. Andy Burnham has absolutely been in the
57:09
Speaker 2: driving seat in Manchester while this whole thing's been going on.
57:12
Speaker 2: And no doubt this is going to get landed straight
57:14
Speaker 2: into a frontline policy as he gets his feet under
57:18
Speaker 2: the table in Downing Street because eight five eight. The
57:20
Speaker 2: organization that made that video that we just watch is
57:24
Speaker 2: also pushing for replacing the House of Lords with the
57:27
Speaker 2: House of Citizens and embedding this right down into central
57:31
Speaker 2: government and completely transforming the way that our entire political
57:35
Speaker 2: system works.
57:37
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, okay, well, let's just finish on VPNs and so.
57:42
Speaker 3: On the fifteenth of July twenty twenty six, Liz Kandal
57:46
Speaker 3: Seguarest did for Science and a Vition and Technology made
57:49
Speaker 3: a written statement publishing the second part of the government's
57:53
Speaker 3: response to the Growing Up in the Online World consultation,
57:56
Speaker 3: which drew more than one hundred and sixteen thousand responses.
58:00
Speaker 3: Now they are saying that it builds on measures announced
58:02
Speaker 3: the previous month which barred social media services from offering
58:07
Speaker 3: accounts to under sixteens, restricted live streaming and stranger contact,
58:11
Speaker 3: and banned chatbots offering sexualized contact content to children. Because
58:15
Speaker 3: of course, this is about protecting children. But it was
58:20
Speaker 3: the VPN issue that I wanted to mention here because
58:23
Speaker 3: Kendall said that these steps were taken to give children
58:26
Speaker 3: the best start in life, ensure their safety and wellbeing,
58:29
Speaker 3: and put are back in parents' hands. Now just sorry,
58:33
Speaker 3: Just as a side I'll mention that on AI the
58:35
Speaker 3: government they said, will therefore require mandatory breaks for under
58:39
Speaker 3: eighteens using chat box chatbots, and we'll be working with
58:43
Speaker 3: the Health Department of Health and Social Care and get
58:46
Speaker 3: this the MHRA on chat bots giving health advice, which
58:50
Speaker 3: will consider banning certain services that present a threat to
58:54
Speaker 3: children where and other regular sorry, where other regulatory and
58:57
Speaker 3: safety mechanisms are insufficient. So on the issue circumvention, and
59:02
Speaker 3: we're talking about VPNs here because of course, as we know,
59:06
Speaker 3: as soon as they banned the porn sites in the UK,
59:09
Speaker 3: or at least impose the edge assurance schemes on the
59:13
Speaker 3: porn sites in the UK, we had this sudden drive
59:16
Speaker 3: for people to download VPN software on their computers and
59:20
Speaker 3: this naturally resulted in certain people saying, well, we've got
59:24
Speaker 3: to ban VPNs now as well. So the statement has
59:27
Speaker 3: said that VPNs have a legitimate privacy and security uses
59:33
Speaker 3: and we will therefore not edge gate or ban them.
59:37
Speaker 3: And so that was that. And so they're going to
59:43
Speaker 3: take this over to the private sector again. They're going
59:45
Speaker 3: to push it back onto the platforms and they're going
59:48
Speaker 3: to say that offcom with ICO input is going to
59:52
Speaker 3: research VPN detection and report by October on highly effective
59:56
Speaker 3: age assurance for verifying whether someone is over sixteen. So
1:00:00
Speaker 3: they're not going to ban VPNs. But actually they're going
1:00:03
Speaker 3: to ban VPNs, Yeah, because they're going to insisted that
1:00:06
Speaker 3: off compet technology in place which identifies VPN use, and
1:00:11
Speaker 3: if it's being used under certain circumstances, they're going to
1:00:15
Speaker 3: attempt to block that is I have no doubt about that.
1:00:18
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, it's not going to be a
1:00:20
Speaker 3: sort of blanket ban for everybody or any kind of
1:00:23
Speaker 3: requirement for you r I if we're using a VPN
1:00:26
Speaker 3: to identify our age to the VPN provider, because they
1:00:30
Speaker 3: had no chance of pushing that forward to the VPN providers,
1:00:33
Speaker 3: were simply going to say no to that one.
1:00:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. Unbelievable.
1:00:38
Speaker 2: The links that they're going to have to go to
1:00:40
Speaker 2: to try to push this stuff through, right, the clamp
1:00:43
Speaker 2: down on the free expression of information in order to
1:00:48
Speaker 2: tentically prop up a corrupt political and economic structure internationally,
1:00:52
Speaker 2: it's just just extraordinary. Much more to commonness in future episodes,
1:00:58
Speaker 2: no doubt. Now we're out of time today. Thank you
1:01:01
Speaker 2: so much for everyone who has been watching along at home.
1:01:05
Speaker 2: Don't forget the Germ and the Chaps will be on
1:01:10
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1:01:12
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1:01:17
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