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The Joe Gibbs Racing vs Chris Gabehart Lawsuit Is Getting Personal | Charlie Marlow Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up, everybody? Charlie Marlow here talking
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  NASCAR once again and Nascort once again.
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  We have CODA coming up this weekend.
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  We had Atlanta. We'll break all that down.
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  But I do want to start on the legal front.
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  Just as we talked about last week, you have this Joe Gibbs
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  Racing versus Chris Gabehart lawsuit going on.
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  There's actually an injunction hearing going on as I record
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  this. So basically, as we told you
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  last week, Joe Gibbs Racing accusing Chris Gabehart, their
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  former competition director up until just recently this
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  offseason, accusing him allegedly of theft of
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  intellectual property, proprietary data when it comes
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  to the cars and chassis setups and all that.
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  Remember Chris Gabehart before that at Joe Gibbs Racing was the
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  crew chief for Denny Hamlin. So last week this was announced,
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  kind of shocking. And then Chris Gabehart comes
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  out with statements and and totally denies all this.
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  And then right after the next day or so, you have the
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  announcement that Chris Gabehart takes the chief Motorsports
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  officer role at Spire Motorsports.
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  So then Joe Gibbs Racing adds Spire Motorsports to this
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  lawsuit. And I'm not going to just get
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  crazy into this, but Joe Gibbs Racing, they're suing for
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  something like $8 million. They want Chris Gabhart to sit
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  out while this is all going on. But again, we have this
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  injunction going on right now. It's, it's kind of, it's kind of
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  like the whole charter situation, the injunction last
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  year with 2311 Racing and Front Row Motorsports, where the first
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  half of that battle was about the injunction.
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  And then obviously it was the actual trial.
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  So I'm not going to get into all the legalese.
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  I'll just, I'll just say this and and Chris Gebhart came out
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  also this week and basically said that this wasn't really
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  about the theft of intellectual property.
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  This is coming from him. I'm I'm paraphrasing this.
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  This was about an employee leaving and Joe Gibbs Racing not
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  being happy about that. And Chris Gaybard basically said
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  there was a lot of friction where they wanted him to be the
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  crew chief for Ty Gibbs. You obviously have the situation
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  there, which is very awkward because Ty Gibbs is coach Joe
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  Gibbs grandson. You basically have the the
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  nepotism play out there. And there was some, there was
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  some audio also of Chris Gebhardt and Ty Gibbs
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  communicating on track. And you can see there was some
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  friction there. And so again, I'm not going to
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  get into the the real legal part of this.
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  I'm not a lawyer. I'll just, I'll just say this.
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  And look, I'm not this reporter that that covers NASCAR every
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  week at the track. So I don't I don't care.
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  I'll give you my opinion. I know you might say, OK, you're
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  not supposed to root for one side or the other, but we're in
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  the game of opinions and and look, when the NASCAR lawsuit
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  happened last year, I kind of said all along that I thought
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  the teams would win. And when I say I wanted the
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  teams to win, the only reason I said that is because just
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  covering so many other labor issues, strikes, lockouts in
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  other sports, NFLNHLNBAMLB, NASCAR was having their first
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  real labor issue. And essentially the players or
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  in this case, the teams almost always win these.
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  And again, it wasn't necessarily a win because they didn't go
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  through with it in court, but it certainly was a win for the
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  teams because NASCAR settled and gave the teams permanent
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  charters and a lot of the things they were asking for, a bigger
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  portion of the economic pie and all that.
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  But again, I just bring that up to say I had no problem giving
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  my opinion on NASCAR before I did happen to be right there.
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  I'm not always right. I'm wrong all the time, I'm
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  wrong all the time. But I'll say this, if I have to
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  choose a side here, Joe Gibbs Racing versus Chris Gebhardt,
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  I'm going to the side of Chris Gebhardt.
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  And, and here's why. Just following NASCAR really
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  every week, every day for the last four plus years.
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  I've always thought Chris Gebhardt was one of the smartest
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  guys in the sport. Every time he talked, every time
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  I saw him tweet, our guy Matt Weaver got a lot of interviews
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  with him after races. He always, every time I've seen
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  him has come across as one of the smartest dudes in the
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  garage. And look, you can't steal
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  somebody's brain. So is he going to, is he going
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  to take information from Joe Gibbs?
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  Of course he is. This has been going on since
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  NASCAR started. Now, obviously digitally, that's
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  different. You can't walk out of there with
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  computers and hard drives or flash drives and all that, like
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  you're going to get caught. So I don't know exactly what
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  happened. I'm just telling you, I would be
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  very surprised if it was that obvious.
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  Now, of course, can you memorize setups?
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  Can you go home and write them down?
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  I mean, can you write them in the notes section on your
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  personal phone? I'm not going to look over his
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  contract. I'm just saying we all know how
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  it works. If you go from one team to
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  another, you're going to take that knowledge with you.
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  Yeah. You can't take a computer with
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  you. You can't take your personal
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  laptop. You, you can't go in there and
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  and take a a folder. But let's be real.
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  You've probably learned it in a way or wrote it down on paper or
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  put it on your personal computer at home.
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  Let's let's really be honest about how this works.
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  You're going to be able to take a huge part of that information
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  with you. And also, you know, the Ty Gibbs
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  stuff this week was a new wrinkle to this story.
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  And again, I'll just say, every time I hear Chris Gabhart talk,
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  he comes across as one of the smartest dudes in NASCAR.
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  And let's be real, Ty Gibbs, the last four or five years when
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  I've really been studying this sport, watching him come up in
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  Xfinity now O'Reilly winning a championship, he many times
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  comes across very spoiled. And it's it's fair to discuss
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  the fact that he's the grandson of Coach Joe Gibbs.
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  And by the way, I I think his trajectory is, is OK.
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  I actually think Ty Gibbs will probably win a race this year,
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  but he comes across spoiled many, many times.
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  So now, does that have everything to do with this
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  particular lawsuit? No, I'm just telling you, I
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  think it's better for NASCAR when Chris Gabehart is in the
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  game. So I hope he's able to continue
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  to work at Spire Motorsports even while this lawsuit goes on.
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  I think he's great for the sport.
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  Carson Hosevar is great for the sport.
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  Spire Motorsports, they're they're on the come up man.
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  And I think if you add Jeff Dickerson and Carson Hosevar and
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  the knowledge of somebody like Chris Gabehart, only good things
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  can happen. So I'll just say it, I am I am
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  rooting for Chris Gaybhart. I mean, the money and all that.
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  I don't really care if they settle and maybe Joe Gibbs get
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  some money or or whatever it is. Again, I don't really care about
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  that. I just think the sport of NASCAR
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  is better when Chris Gaybhart is in the sport.
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  So I hope he stays in the sport even while this is going on.
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  All right, enough of that. Koda coming up.
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  Love Koda. It's my favorite Rd. course.
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  I like the way the season starts, where you go Daytona
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  500, boom, Super Bowl, superspeedway out of the gate,
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  didn't love the fuel saving, love the finish, love the
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  pageantry, the pomp and circumstance pre race and all
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  that. The Great American race, it was
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  awesome. You go to Atlanta, arguably the
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  best track on the circuit right now.
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  We always talk about the Jeff Block polls.
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  First poll for Daytona 500, I think it was something like 74%.
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  I would argue that that was bailed out by a finish that was
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  great. I think if the finish wasn't
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  great, that race was probably more around 50%.
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  Atlanta was just amazing racing. Whatever the pole was, 93%.
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  I agree with that because it was just really, really good green
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  flag racing, passing, obviously drafting track, but you can see
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  guys move around, you can see racecraft, and at the end you
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  had another great finish there. Tyler Reddick goes back-to-back.
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  We all know there's a lot of luck involved at superspeedways
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  or in Atlanta, which now races like a superspeedway.
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  But Michael Jordan back in Victory Lane, and we're not
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  talking about any stupid conspiracy theory shenanigans
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  this time either, but Tyler Reddick back-to-back, I believe
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  the 6th NASCAR driver to ever do that.
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  The last was Matt Kenseth. We talked about this on the Mark
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  Martin Archive podcast. I think Jeff Gordon, some other
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  older racers, but Tyler Reddick has a chance to be the first
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  NASCAR Cup driver ever to start the season with three straight
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  wins. And we know Tyler Reddick is
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  very good on road courses at CODA.
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  We'll see if he can get that done.
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  But also, is it just SV, GS show?
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  Can anybody beat Shane Mann Gisbergen on a road course?
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  today doing the aeration. They do the aeration and the
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  want your lawn cut. They've been cutting my grass
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  for like 5-6 years. You get your mulch, your fresh
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  If you got some leaves leftover, they can handle all of that.
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  Saint Louis Sunday, Monday if we do well, maybe be prepared
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  They'll service your snow plows. They got snow plows.
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  They do it all. Hopefully no more big snow.
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  But it, it does look like we're supposed to get snow, I believe
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  Sunday, Monday, pretty good chance of that.
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  I bought a blower there. We've got mulch from them and
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  then STL Lawn Care, They've done a bunch of landscaping.
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  We've got Arbor Vita right there.
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  They do it all. stllawncare.com, stlmowerrepair.com and then of
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  course Triad Bank. My peoples at Triad Bank,
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  Matthew Tobin, been working with him for like 5-6 years.
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  all my commercial loans from a big National Bank that did not
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  care about me. Let me tell you, terrible
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  I won't mention them but it wasn't good and I went on over
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  Got a brand new short term rental this past summer.
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  All right, there you go. So we talked Nas Port Joe Gibbs
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  Racing versus Chris Gabhart. I'm going to go ahead and say
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  I'm on Team Gabehart. Tell me why you agree or
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  disagree. Koda coming up.
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  Can't wait. My favorite Rd. course.
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  We'll see if anybody can beat SVG.
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  Atlanta was fantastic. Loved it.
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  Loved Atlanta. All right, there you go.
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  Peace out everybody. Have a great weekend.
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  Enjoy Koda.