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Joey’s Finale: A Roundtable Discussion Part 1 (with Rachel Recchia, Susie Evans and Justin Glaze) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Simis podcast. We are
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  Speaker 2: so excited because it's the finale and recapping the finale
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  Speaker 2: is always so fun and there's so much to talk
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  Speaker 2: about about last night's episode. Congratulations to Kelsey and Joey.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I was rooting for Kelsey this entire time.
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  Speaker 2: They just for so cute and perfect together. And how
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  Speaker 2: freaking stunning is that girl? She is a nineties supermodel.
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  Speaker 2: Ben is here. He might be a little in and
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  Speaker 2: out of this episode because he's doing some talk up
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  Speaker 2: in the mountains of Colorado. He's literally in a cabin
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  Speaker 2: right now. He told us that the original Walt Disney
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  Speaker 2: signed the cabin walls that he's in right now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I can't see the original Disney. Not to be confused
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  Speaker 2: with Mickey Mouse, not Mickey.
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  Speaker 3: The Walt Disney. But I'm pumped to be here. We
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  Speaker 3: have a great group of panelists, right, I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: is just a lot of opinions. I can't wait to
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  Speaker 3: hear all the different opinions. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So we have Rachel Rekia, who was in the audience
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  Speaker 2: last night. We got to watch it live while be
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  Speaker 2: asking her about the commercial break behind the scenes. And
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  Speaker 2: then we have Susie Evans and Justin Glaize, our favorite
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  Speaker 2: new bachelor, adorable, adorable couple, and everybody's joining us early
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  Speaker 2: on the West Coast, and thank you guys for that.
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  Speaker 2: Ben's like, Ashley, why is eight am early? Like it's
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  Speaker 2: early to get to be like on a screen at
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  Speaker 2: eight am is hard? All right, let's start at the
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  Speaker 2: very beginning. That would be let the meet, the family
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  Speaker 2: meet and greets. All right, so Joe and his family
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  Speaker 2: meet Daisy first. Rachel, what's your take?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I thought it went really well. I thought
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  Speaker 4: both of the women fit in really well with the family.
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  Speaker 4: I think always Mom went a little hard on Daisy
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  Speaker 4: at the beginning. I was getting a little nervous, but
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  Speaker 4: I think it went really really well.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, how so am I completely forgetting something?
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  Speaker 4: There was like a part where like Daisy was talking
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  Speaker 4: about her feelings, and she was just kind of like, well,
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  Speaker 4: you're one of two, like there's someone else here, and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, you know, we could have just focus
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  Speaker 4: on Daisy in that moment. But then I think they
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  Speaker 4: ended up having like a really good conversation by the
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  Speaker 4: end of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, by the end of it, she said, I'd be
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  Speaker 2: honored for you to be my daughter in law. Both
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  Speaker 2: of them are crying, and I was like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: that was quite a moment. So c justin, Susie, anything
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  Speaker 2: else you think worth mentioning in that family meet and greet?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel a great.
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  Speaker 5: Great I think I think Daisy killed it.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like, once you tell the sisters and the
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  Speaker 6: parents whatever, I feel like, once she said, if you
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  Speaker 6: got down on Onedy, I'd say yes. The kind of
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  Speaker 6: the guard came down and they're like, all right, she's
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  Speaker 6: in it. And I think it was a bit of
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  Speaker 6: hesitat on Kelsey's part. I think they said this is
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  Speaker 6: probably because she was a little nervous. That probably would
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  Speaker 6: have been me like it thinks like, how can you
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  Speaker 6: know for sure? I mean at that point they want
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  Speaker 6: you to know for sure. But I feel like that
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  Speaker 6: kind of won Daisy over in their eyes. But both
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  Speaker 6: of the women did really well with the with the
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  Speaker 6: family met and greed.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like, yeah, I felt like Joey's family loved
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  Speaker 7: dat I mean loved both of them. But like the
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  Speaker 7: I feel like the mom was getting choked up when
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  Speaker 7: she was talking to Daisy. It was like I'd be honored.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, oh my gosh, that's like I feel
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  Speaker 7: like immediately they felt some kind of connection with her.
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  Speaker 7: So I think it's got to be really hard when
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  Speaker 7: you're that like for everybody, when you're that far at
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  Speaker 7: the end and it's like everyone feels this special connection.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm sure that was hard for everybody to watch back.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a classic scenario where they put that
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  Speaker 2: moment in between Daisy and the mom because it was
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  Speaker 2: such a powerful moment, and maybe there was one with Kelsey,
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  Speaker 2: but usually they try to flip the switch and show
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  Speaker 2: the runner ups family time to be a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more emotional, just so that we're perhaps a little thrown off.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm really glad that overall they didn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: have a preference in the girls. They seem to like
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  Speaker 2: both of them. And yeah, they gave Daisy the slight
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  Speaker 2: advantage for saying like I'm ready for an engagement, but
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  Speaker 2: even Kelsey later in the episode, like it was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's just like she actually said it to the family too,
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  Speaker 2: So that's not my goal right now, Like I want
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  Speaker 2: to be with him like, yeah, I'm like, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: not here at check off boxes like ready to get engaged,
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  Speaker 2: like must get married soon.
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  Speaker 7: And I love that take. I was like, that's so
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  Speaker 7: mature of her for being so young. She's like, I
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  Speaker 7: don't it sound like she's there for the ring or
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  Speaker 7: just to get engaged, But she was like intentional, which
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  Speaker 7: I love.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like every other bachelor's dream because like
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  Speaker 2: so many other bachelors don't really want to get engaged
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  Speaker 2: at the end of it. But he was ready.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he also said, you know episodes back with Lexi
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  Speaker 2: that he wanted years before the actual wedding, and it
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  Speaker 2: seems like him and Kelsey are really compatible there. That's great.
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  Speaker 3: My question is how weird? I mean, I've never noticed.
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  Speaker 3: I guess my parents went through and I could ask them,
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  Speaker 3: But how weird does this have to be for the parents?
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  Speaker 3: Like how do you do this moment? Well? Because you
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  Speaker 3: want to give both women that you like, like the
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  Speaker 3: validation of hey, I think you're amazing, but you also
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  Speaker 3: know that like one of these women is not being
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  Speaker 3: chosen and now your potential future daughter in law is
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  Speaker 3: going to have to watch you, you know, give somebody
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  Speaker 3: else approval as well. I mean this whole dynamic. I
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  Speaker 3: think this episode was unique because both of them were
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  Speaker 3: so loved. But I think it would be really hard
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  Speaker 3: for the parents, like how do you or like how
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  Speaker 3: do you enter into this and do it appropriately? Is it?
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel like Joey's like mom and family really
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  Speaker 3: did this appropriately? Oh? And like really like did it
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  Speaker 3: the right way or is there a better way to
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  Speaker 3: do it?
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  Speaker 4: I think they did a great I think they gave
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  Speaker 4: both the women like equal amount of like support, and
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  Speaker 4: I think they were just looking to see like maybe
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  Speaker 4: who he meshes with better. But I know when my
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  Speaker 4: parents like went through it, they said they were like,
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  Speaker 4: there is like no wrong decision. It's like whatever you feel,
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  Speaker 4: We just wanted to like meet them. I feel like
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  Speaker 4: they did really really well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they did well too. I think you
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  Speaker 2: kind of have to realize that this is a normal
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  Speaker 2: situation and that like it's just going to be weird
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  Speaker 2: that like, yeah, your first encounter was they were approving
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  Speaker 2: somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I would agree. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel like Kelsey watching this back is going
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  Speaker 3: to be like, oh my, you know, this really hurts me.
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  Speaker 3: To see. It's just like, no, this is how it
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  Speaker 3: had to happen. Had it down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's get to the one on one dates.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that they were short. Kelsey even mentioned
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  Speaker 2: that they were, particularly the daytime date was short, and
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking, like, wow, maybe it was like maybe
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  Speaker 2: an hour or two that they had during the day.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a long time to spend together. But Daisy's
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  Speaker 2: was like, let's get this over with. Like in my
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  Speaker 2: both of them like didn't really want to be there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm well with Daisy. It was so obvious to me
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  Speaker 2: that he was like, I feel so awkward at being
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  Speaker 2: with this girl that I know I'm not going to pick.
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  Speaker 2: And he kept saying, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I don't know what I'm gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm like, yes, you do. I was almost wondering
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  Speaker 2: whether they were using clips from like last week with
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  Speaker 2: him saying he doesn't know what to do because or
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  Speaker 2: they just didn't want a finale in which the bachelor
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  Speaker 2: was giving everything away early on. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: felt bad for him for like having to kind of
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  Speaker 2: lead her on on that one on one.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was kind of wondering if it was a
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  Speaker 6: show type of thing to even have him go through
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  Speaker 6: the night part of it and go through everything, because
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  Speaker 6: it was pretty blatantly obvious, especially at the little stone
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  Speaker 6: thingy at the end, where he was just like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I'm hoping for the best for both of us and
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  Speaker 6: that we both find happiness.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, the focus with Daisy was
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  Speaker 2: all on like the it's just I have two amazing
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  Speaker 2: women and I can't believe I have the decision. And
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  Speaker 2: then with Kelsey, he wasn't. He was like, don't think
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  Speaker 2: about the decision.
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  Speaker 3: Right, don't worry.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I think, Yeah, Daisy couldn't
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  Speaker 7: even look at him on that date, like after she
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  Speaker 7: heard that, it was like she couldn't even look at
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  Speaker 7: him in his eyes, Like if he would look at her,
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  Speaker 7: she'd look away. And I think the same thing was happening,
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  Speaker 7: Like I think they both like couldn't meet eye to
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  Speaker 7: eye in that moment because like it was probably just
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  Speaker 7: so painful. But yeah, I think everybody knew, especially Daisy
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  Speaker 7: at that moment. She's like, I think it's not me.
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  Speaker 2: Were you surprised he didn't break up with her? During
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  Speaker 2: the nighttime portion.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, I feel like if
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  Speaker 6: I were in that position, and Joey may have wanted
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  Speaker 6: to were requested to, but if that's a production thing where.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, no, we're going this, We're going through it,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 6: Because I feel like if I were in that position,
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to lead someone on. And if I
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  Speaker 6: at the minute that I knew, I'd be like, all right,
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  Speaker 6: let's just cut it here and move forward with who
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  Speaker 6: I'm picking. But from a production standpoint, I'm sure they were.
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  Speaker 3: Like, we need our show, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So you never know what Joey was requesting or
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  Speaker 6: wanting to do.
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  Speaker 4: I felt so bad in the moment when she like
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  Speaker 4: had that last attempt, because I think sometimes you know
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  Speaker 4: when it's happening, but you like don't want to believe it.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's where Daisy was at, and she
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  Speaker 4: told him that she was in love with him, and
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  Speaker 4: I just remember he like the first thing he did
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  Speaker 4: was like lean back.
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  Speaker 2: His body language, his eye contact so off.
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  Speaker 4: It was so oh my gosh, I was just cringing.
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  Speaker 4: I felt horrible for her because what does she do
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  Speaker 4: in that moment, Like I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I actually think that like she was, she wanted to
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  Speaker 2: say it. She wanted to say it, let him know,
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  Speaker 2: like she wanted it, like she said off her chest,
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  Speaker 2: knowing that it wasn't her. I think she just wanted
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  Speaker 2: to express it. And that's why her reaction wasn't even
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  Speaker 2: like as painful as we thought it would be, because
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  Speaker 2: if that was the reaction that I got, I would
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, right, I'm leaving the room now. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'm gonna go crawl into a hole and die.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I would have cried there like that. Yeah, I would
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  Speaker 4: have been like, okay, so like what's happening. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's so easy for us to look at
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  Speaker 4: the situation and be like I would have done this,
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  Speaker 4: but it was just such a horrible, like last chance date.
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  Speaker 2: But that's why I think it was like I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: make peace, like I'm I'm at peace with this. It's
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  Speaker 2: not me. I'm just going to express it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think this is the first time Daisy got
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  Speaker 3: the sense that it wasn't her, though, Like I think,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I do think it was hard,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it was validation and it was not I,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who it was shocking to her, Like,
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  Speaker 3: I think she kind of expected this to be the outcome.
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  Speaker 2: Sadly. I think she's just in this mindset where she
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  Speaker 2: thinks that she's just never chosen, so she was assuming.
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  Speaker 4: I think everyone gets in their head too. Like when
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  Speaker 4: I was going through it, I remember the entire time
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  Speaker 4: just thinking it's not you because you're surrounded by so
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  Speaker 4: many beautiful women, so maybe it's just like the environment too.
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  Speaker 2: And then in the after the final rows we said that,
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  Speaker 2: she even reveals she's Like I thought it wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to be me because I saw the way that the
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  Speaker 2: two of you looked at each other at that final rosa.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like the third Place rose ceremony.
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  Speaker 7: That's tough. I mean, yeah, it sounds like maybe she
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  Speaker 7: had an inkling, But I think I hadn't. I of
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  Speaker 7: the viewer, hadn't seen the evidence until that little rock scene,
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  Speaker 7: Like I think that that's when maybe she had Maybe
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  Speaker 7: she did have an inkling before, but I feel like
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  Speaker 7: that solidified it, and at least it did for me.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like it would have been hard not to
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  Speaker 7: know at that moment.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, Well, let's go to the actual huge, as
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  Speaker 2: Jesse would like to say, Bachelor history moment in which
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  Speaker 2: the girls arrived at the Rose ceremony together, the alter moment,
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. But first Daisy gets
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  Speaker 2: to Kelsey's room. What did you guys think about the
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: decision for her to go to Kelsey to judge where
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  Speaker 2: her standing was.
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  Speaker 7: I think it showed how much like they valued each
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  Speaker 7: other and how strong their friendship was, because I think
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  Speaker 7: it is risky, like to go and potentially disrupt somebody
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  Speaker 7: else's experience and like risk putting their you know, mental
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  Speaker 7: state in a bad place where if they were to
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  Speaker 7: compare stories, it's like, Okay, well now I feel insecure,
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  Speaker 7: now I'm anxious or whatever. So I feel like it
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  Speaker 7: showed a lot of like the respect they had for
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  Speaker 7: each other because they were able to navigate the conversation
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  Speaker 7: respectfully and like. So I think that it ultimately was
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  Speaker 7: a good decision. But I don't think it would have
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  Speaker 7: worked for everybody. But I think they handled it so well,
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  Speaker 7: and maybe Daisy just needed that last little bit of
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  Speaker 7: information and somebody that she actually really trusted. I think
• 13:32
  Speaker 7: that's a big part of it too, is just like
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  Speaker 7: having another person that's not production that they can like
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  Speaker 7: bounce things off of.
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  Speaker 2: Justin was your take.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say it's it's definitely risky, and
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  Speaker 6: I feel like it's a relationship to relationship type of thing.
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  Speaker 6: Like not every pairing could have done that, because although
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  Speaker 6: I didn't make it as far.
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  Speaker 2: As your I mean, you know, I was like you
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  Speaker 2: were second.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I did have the same experience.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, Kelsey, But I know, towards the end
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  Speaker 6: with like even the last four of us, as close
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  Speaker 6: as Greg and I were, and even Andrew for that
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  Speaker 6: matter before he left, you know.
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  Speaker 2: We at the beginning, it was all he he ha ha,
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: like how was your date?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you had a hot up date?
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  Speaker 6: Funny like, and then it got to like the annie
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  Speaker 6: were its Like I don't want to hear any of that.
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  Speaker 6: So I can only imagine, you know, when it's literally
• 14:24
  Speaker 6: engagement week, I cannot imagine you know, as close as
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  Speaker 6: we were, us me taking that or one of us
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  Speaker 6: taking that risk of being that close to a proposal
• 14:34
  Speaker 6: and being like comparing stories, right, because Daisy kind of
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  Speaker 6: knew what she was coming to the conversation with, but
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: for Kelsey, she was like, for all I know, this
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  Speaker 6: girl could be thinking she's the one as well, so
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  Speaker 6: I feel like it's it was so risky. I think
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  Speaker 6: Kelsey did a great job of like trusting it and
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  Speaker 6: opening up and telling her straight how it was with
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  Speaker 6: her and Joey, because I think, like like Suda said,
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  Speaker 6: it really could have messed up her mental state if
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  Speaker 6: was coming in being like I really think it's me
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  Speaker 6: like it like how where are you at?
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  Speaker 3: Kind of thing. But I think they both handled.
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  Speaker 6: It really well.
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  Speaker 2: Rachel, as someone who went through this completely with another girl,
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  Speaker 2: how did you feel about this moment?
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  Speaker 3: I loved it.
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  Speaker 4: I that was my favorite moment of the whole season.
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  Speaker 4: I loved the car ride on the way there and
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: the moment that they like exchanged before Daisy went down.
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  Speaker 4: I think it just felt so genuine to me. I
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  Speaker 4: think there's a lot of things that I can look
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  Speaker 4: at and be like, oh, you know, production might have
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: pushed that or so they should go do this, But
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  Speaker 4: I think that moment and their interaction was it was
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  Speaker 4: really really a beautiful thing to watch and a really
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  Speaker 4: great ending I think to a really good season.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I think comes out of this and
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of people on this call could actually probably
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: speak into this, and I would love for you to
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: disagree with me if you feel this way. I actually
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: watched this scene and I said, this is actually going
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: to help Joey Kelsey's relationship. Now, Like this moment I
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: think actually helps a relationship, because I know from my
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: experience one of the hardest things was trying to explain
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  Speaker 3: and help people understand the dynamics and why, you know,
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  Speaker 3: somebody was chosen, why somebody wasn't, and how hard and
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  Speaker 3: weird that day is and how emotional that day is
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: for everybody involved. And I felt like riding in the
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: car together and kind of coming into it as a team,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: having an understanding seeing you know, the emotion on everybody's
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: faces is actually going to help Joey and Kelsey go no,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: we can move on now like this, we we understand
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: where we're at. And I would love to hear from
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously Susan and Rachel, especially like, do you
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: agree with me there or do you think, no, this
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: this doesn't really you know, affect anything.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: No, yeah, one hundred yeah, I think that that's I
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: think that's a huge part. I'm sure Rachel, when we
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: were on the show. I'm sure you've felt it and
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: saw it as well, like when things were airing, like
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: the world has so many opinions, and I feel like
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: when we were on the show, like everybody thought it
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: was like you and Clayton at the end, like I
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: feel like nobody thought that it was me, And so
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: when the world's like putting those opinions out there, like
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: I'm sure Kelsey's seen all season like Daisy at the
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: first one on one and like everybody thought it was Daisy.
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: I feel like for a really long time, and I
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: think even up until the finale, I think people were
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: really like thinking it was going to be Daisy and
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: until this last episode. So if I feel like it
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: probably was really good for Kelsey to be able to
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: like have that moment with Daisy and know that her
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: and Daisy are good and that her and Joey like
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: they they're all on the same page. Like Daisy felt it,
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: Joey felt it, and Kelsey was like, okay, like I
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: feel secure in this. So probably watching it back wasn't
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: as like weird when everyone's like, oh my gosh, it's
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: got to be Daisy. It's got to be Daisy because
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: and sit with Daisy. So she's like, no, I saw
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: what happened, and like, I understand this better.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: I feel like if I were to put myself in
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: Kelsey's shoes, even aside from that moment of them having dacent,
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: Kelsey having you know, that moment together, I feel like
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: I would feel a bit better regardless of that because
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: of how awkward it was between Daisy and Joey. You know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: I feel like as Kelsey watched in the back of
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: like okay, so he really was sure it was me.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like a last minute like.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kelsey exactly exactly he was.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: He was sure, you know, so.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she never has to watch it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: Oh but it didn't hint or anything obviously. But I
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: think even without that, I would have been.
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: Like, okay, yeah, gave security.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay. So I would have loved to see
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the moment where they decided to go in the car together,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: because that felt like it may have been a little
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: production y, because it would if if it truly was
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the girl's idea, we would have seen it right. We
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: would have seen them being like Kelsey been like, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: do you want do you want to do this? With
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: somebody like do you want to do this with me?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And then got in the car together, and that would
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: have been cute. I just I wonder if there was
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: any sort of feeling from Kelsey like, oh, I want
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: this to be my own moment.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: The music was nuts.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: The music last day, it was nuts. The reveal from
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the audience, the audience reactions to seeing the two of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: them holding hands. I know when they did the two shot, but.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I loved it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: I think it's like it makes it better when you
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: go through it with someone, like I don't feel like
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: there's ever point where like like I need this moment,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: because the moment is like you sitting in a car
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: with a producer, like sitting there nervous and then like
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: filming you by yourself. So I think going through it
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: with someone so much better, even if it was like
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: originally a production idea. I think their body language was
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: so obvious like that their friendship is so strong.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: You also, though, Rachel, have a very unique perspective because
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you've went through this whole thing with somebody else, like
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: both sides, you know, you always have had somebody there,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and you've done it so beautifully, Like I think that
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: has to take a unique season. There's so many seasons
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I can think of, obviously from the past, like if
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: they had Nick Vile and sham Booth in the same
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: car riding together.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Like the Amazing TV.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I wish it would happen every season, Like I don't
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: just want it to happen when people get along and
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: when they're nice to each other. I want this to
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: happen when you're like, I hate you so much and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I want to punch you in the face, and now
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I have to sit beside you the ultimate two on
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: one you Rachel, are like, no, it makes sense to
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: do this together. It's so much easier, so much better,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: so much more fun to share stories with other people.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I think there's many seasons, probably most in my mind,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: where this would have never worked like it would have
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: It would have been more awkward than it would have
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: been supportive.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: It's funny because me and Gabby did ride in the
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: car together on the way to our engagement day, so
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: it was like, it's like, so fun. But yeah, I
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: guess I do have the like perspective of always doing
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: it with someone else is better. But I agree. I
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: think they should do this every single time now because
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I want to see everyone sitting next to each other
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: on the final day. I think that's such a good take.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Good So, like what happened when they were like, all right, Daisy,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you get out of the car first, because everybody always
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: looks out for that chew the bottom of the dress
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: who's stepping out of the van first, because that's the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: person who's getting dumped. So did Daisy just say like, okay,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: this is my I will get out of the car now,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I'll go down and I'll tell him I know it's
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: not me goodbye.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: That what I was I was like, was Kelsey just
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: waiting in the cars like it'll be quick, don'try?
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what is Kelsey going ims? I'm like, I
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: wouldn't focus on anything, like what is she doing in
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: the meantime?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Also, did Kelsey just get away with having like the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: least nerve wracking which is the alter moment of all time?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Like she just got to pull up and be.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Like it's me, I guarantee Justin's riding on. How this
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: played out? Right? They both got there, they both got
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: of the car, they both went to itms and then
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: one of like you needn't know who got pulled back
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: first or last, you got no clue if you were
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: gone or not.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, But then Kelsey didn't have to do a little
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: speech at the altar. It was just Joey proposing in
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the mostly in a classic standard way. She didn't have
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to suprocate. Oh so, I think so they either cut
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: that out, which definitely is a possibility, or or it
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: was just everybody knew everybody was away of the situation.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I think Ben knows more than he's late leading on
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know she gave a speech or not.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: But do you do you think that they all knew?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm assuming she gave a speech. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: don't think. I think how we saw it on television,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: it felt like it was very clear obviously of what
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: was happening. I don't think the two women involved knew
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: at all was happening until Daisy got back and was like, hey,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and she said all the beautiful things to Kelsey.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: She walked down and saw Kelsey like I think that
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: was the moment they both knew. Like that, Kelsey at
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: least knew of Hey, this this is gonna be me.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: But I'm sure she gave a speech. I'm sure it
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: felt very like familiar like it has every season, but
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: they cut it out that they had to have cut it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: You don't just get up there and stand there and
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: be like, all right, my point, nothing is going on plan.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: So maybe she was just like, okay, what do we
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: do at this point? Like it is also unorthodox up
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: to this point.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously Kelsey did go down. She knew
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: when she yes, you said, like they said goodbye at
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the van, so like of course when she actually walked down,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: she did not feel any nerves. I mean, I gulse
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you could always say the possibility that he was gonna
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: dump it, that he wasn't gonna dump it, like we
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: all know this. She knew this, and then it just
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: let's just point out that it was a very emotional
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: moment when Daisy hugs Kelsey and says, I know your
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: mom is looking down on you so sweet.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, let's not be naive here. A lot of
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: people hear everybody here, I guess, other than my wonderful
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: co host has been a part of a fantasy suite
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: before I.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Had been part of two fantasy suits.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: You bad, I said, justin ads, Yeah, in paradise. I'm
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: talking like on the show that we're talking about. You've
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: never been a part of a fantasy sweet Justin, Nah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I got tossed right before it. Oh dang, okay, well,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: well then there's.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: Three of us all how Blake as Blake had his
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: and I guess it was so magical it wasn't worth
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: going through.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: He was like, I'm actually good, No need to proceed. Yeah, okay,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: well three of us here. There's things said in the
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: fantasy Suite that probably gave Kelsey a lot of confidence
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: that it was going to be her at the end.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: Not a throws shade at her guy, because I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: he's great, But Gary also apparently said some promising things.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: So you can never go by just a pillow talk exactly.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So you're right, that's a good point, Justin, because here
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: a season ago we had a lot of women confused
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: because like he said it was me, He said it
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: was me, He said it was me, and then he
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: was like, ah, but I do feel like most times
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: there is some validation given in the fantasy suite that
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: allows you some confidence walking into there's still nerves because
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: you feel like, what if something's changed, what if they
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: had a really great day and he doesn't feel like
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: we did, or she doesn't feel like we did, or whatever.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: But I don't think Kelsey was was surprised that it
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: was her. I think she was hoping that his words
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: held weight coming from the fantasy suite is what I'll say. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: which is the way it should be. Honestly, I don't
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: think anybody should have a problem with that. It's like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: you're gonna engage your fiance. Should have some like validation
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: and confidence going into that day. They should not be
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: a complete shocker to them. They should not be worried
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: about you know too much. They should be like, no,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: he cares about me, he loves me. Let's let's make
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: this thing happen.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then you get the people that go then
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: you go in the fantay sistite after that talk, and
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: then you sleep with somebody else, and it's like, well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: if you told me it was me, why did you
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: sleep with her?
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Or you do it?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: You know, they did the jestin and say hey, actually
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I'm good. That's how you avoid all that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: All that.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Was okay, guys, anything else to talk about with this
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: first half of the episode before we get into in
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the next episode, The Bachelorette announcement, because that is going
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: to be quite the conversation.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: Can I throw out a conspiracy theory that I thought
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: was happening?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I love comes seriracy theories, and yes, Ben and I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: have our own.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Okay, so I just obviously didn't happen. But there was
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: this part of me that maybe this is the part
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: of me that just deeply doesn't trust reality TV. But
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: I was like, is this all a huge setup for
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: Daisy to go down and do this and it was
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: actually her the whole time? And then they have to
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: like it's like a whole like I was waiting for
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: it to be a major singer and then Kelsey's up
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: at the top thinking that she's the one, and then
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: Daisy has just I was like kind of low key
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: sick in the back of my head thinking about like
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: what if this is what is going to happen.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: But I also wondered like if Daisy was like, I
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: know it was not me, and he's like, yes it is, yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: like what happened and She's like I just told Kelsey
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: like it's not me, and now it is and now
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I actually do love him, so like yeah, yeah, like
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: that would have been she had.
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: To go back up there and be like, I'm so sorry,
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: Like I had this completely Like I was thinking about
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: in my head. I was like, what if production let
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: them do this, then it would be the biggest twist
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: of all time actually, because I was like, what's this
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: big twist going to be?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd been Do you want to explain what our
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: theory was going to be?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a theory we had, but I also
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: agree with you that would have been wild, and it
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: also would have made sense for how much they built
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: up this ending that was. It was different, but it
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't like that different. It wasn't uniquely different than other seasons.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: We've seen stuff similar in the same vein. What Ashley
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: and I actually thought there was going to happen was
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: that Kelsey was gonna feel like the default option, especially
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to the viewer. So Daisy gets down and she's like, hey,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: it's you know, it's obviously you know I got to go.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: This isn't going to work between us and Joey's on
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: the eye and standing there at.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: The you know, yeah, like they were gonna make it
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: look like he was really upset about that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: And then it was like Kelsey comes down, He's like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I guess it's you, which I'm so glad they didn't
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: because that would have absolutely won. It would have really
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: made like I think viewers upset because we would have
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: been like, wait, so is it a love story or
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: is it like not? And then I think it would
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: have been really hard and I never want to under
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: uh speak to this, especially for the people listening. It'd
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: been really hard on the couple if that's how they
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: made it look, because no matter what, then Joey be
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: like trying and explain to Kelsey like, no, it really
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: always was to you, and this was the way it seemed.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: So I'm glad that went it did. But that's what
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Ashley and I thought was gonna happen, was that Kelsey
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: was like the default because Daisy leaves.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, both terrifying. We're so glad that they made it
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: that it was as happy ending as it could have been. Okay, well,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: let's take a little pause here and we're going to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: regroup everyone, and we're going to talk about the after
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the final rowse and most importantly the Bachelorette selection. We
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: will see you next time. Look after that part two,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the next time We do love you bye.
• 30:21
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