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Honeymoon Murder, Britney’s New Song and Housewife Predictions · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Daft.ie Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. So much is happening.
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  Speaker 2: And then I have time with my sister, the criminal
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney, to talk about a sad murder that just happened,
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  Speaker 2: but it's one of those things that happened on a honeymoon.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get into it. Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Right off the bat, Britney Spears had quite a weekend
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  Speaker 2: and she went and she posted some very strange things
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  Speaker 2: about liking coffee, wanting coffee. Many of the times when
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  Speaker 2: she goes on these long captions, it's about what she
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  Speaker 2: suffered when she was in this conservatorship for 13 years
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  Speaker 2: and that her family got to do things that she
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  Speaker 2: didn't get to do. And this says the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And she actually posts a photo that her now husband, Sam,
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  Speaker 2: was getting coffee with his sisters and that her sister, Jamie,
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  Speaker 2: was with her dad, Jamie. And why did they get
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  Speaker 2: to hang out and she didn't get to hang out?
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  Speaker 2: And then she also posted, a text message that she
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  Speaker 2: was sending to someone which no one responded to about
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  Speaker 2: her lithium levels for her bipolar medication. Just now, Lynn Spears,
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  Speaker 2: her mom, reposted a response from whoever that person that
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  Speaker 2: she was writing about the lithium. That person then wrote,
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  Speaker 2: I never got these and showed proof that she had
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  Speaker 2: responded to Brittany, but according to Brittany's phone, no one
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  Speaker 2: had responded to her. So, Now, these people, including Lynn,
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  Speaker 2: are like, you know, were things being deleted? What was
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  Speaker 2: going on these years? Also, Sam Lufty, Lufty, Lufty, if
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  Speaker 2: you follow him on Twitter, he posted some emails that
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  Speaker 2: have been revealed between Lou Taylor, who was the head
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  Speaker 2: of her conservatorship, and some other people about how to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how to keep the conservatorship going, what to
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  Speaker 2: do for Jamie. So you think you knew it all.
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  Speaker 2: More and more is coming out. Meanwhile, Britney is doing
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  Speaker 2: what Britney loves, saying that the world shouldn't make fun
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  Speaker 2: of her or she hates the documentaries. Yet she's rolling around,
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  Speaker 2: taking millions of pictures, holding her boobs. It makes her happy,
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  Speaker 2: spinning around, dancing, photo dump. But the good news is,
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  Speaker 2: is one of her videos in the past week is
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  Speaker 2: she's singing a little. It's like the first time we've
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  Speaker 2: heard her sing. And the news just came out right
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  Speaker 2: now from page six that it recorded page six. She
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  Speaker 2: is going to do kind of like Dua Lipa did
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  Speaker 2: with Elton John, but singing Tiny Dancer, which what a
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  Speaker 2: great song for her to do, because that's all we
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  Speaker 2: seem to do is spin around and dance. So I
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  Speaker 2: think it's great that she's recording with Elton John. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure it'll be a big hit. And, you know, but
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting because she's working, but in the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: she just posted, she was saying, I don't want to work.
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  Speaker 2: Leave me alone. So listen. she definitely is going through
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  Speaker 2: it and she likes to go through it with her
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  Speaker 2: 45 million followers. So, um, but the mother is saying,
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  Speaker 2: Lynn Spears is saying, Brittany reaching out through her Instagram
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  Speaker 2: on her grid, please. Can we, you know, can I
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  Speaker 2: see you? Can we talk? Um, I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 2: such a drama. Adele. Meanwhile, she, meanwhile, she is rescheduling
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  Speaker 2: her date. So if you had a ticket, um, And
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  Speaker 2: you're probably heartbroken because I don't think when she canceled
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  Speaker 2: the day before her shows, I don't think she really
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  Speaker 2: thought about how much she was inconveniencing her hardcore fans. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there's some people that are really wealthy and bought the
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  Speaker 2: tickets and took their private jet there and was like, ah, damn.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Adele, you do you, boo. Hang out with
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  Speaker 2: your boyfriend. Figure out what kind of furniture you want
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  Speaker 2: on stage. But there were a lot of people that
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  Speaker 2: this was it. This is where they were going to
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  Speaker 2: ask their girlfriend to marry them. This is where they're
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  Speaker 2: going to celebrate a monumental birthday. This was their bachelorette weekend, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: This was all of their savings for their big trip
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  Speaker 2: to Vegas. And it was all centered around this date
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  Speaker 2: and seeing Adele. Now, when their ticket is honored between
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  Speaker 2: November and March at the Coliseum, who knows if that
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  Speaker 2: person can take that time off of work again, or
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  Speaker 2: pay for the flight or the Ubers or find another hotel,
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  Speaker 2: all of it. And that's where it was a real bummer,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you're canceling at a place like Vegas. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's, I think it's bad if you cancel,
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  Speaker 2: if you're whatever at the Chicago theater or whatever, but
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  Speaker 2: think about it. It's so much worse when it's a
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  Speaker 2: destination type of event. So speaking of destination events, I
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  Speaker 2: will be in New York. with one of your favorite
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  Speaker 2: Carlos King, former producer of real houses, Atlanta and Potomac,
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  Speaker 2: and so many other shows, because we are going to
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  Speaker 2: be there. Bravo con weekend. I have my own show,
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  Speaker 2: live juicy scoop, audience participation, lots of surprises that starts
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  Speaker 2: at seven 30 sharp. It's an hour and a half
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  Speaker 2: approximate show. If you want to know someone asked about that, Heather, mcdonald.net,
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  Speaker 2: October 15th in New York city, get your tickets. They
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  Speaker 2: are moving very fast. Um, I just want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about another doppelganger, like another basically clone. I've talked about
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  Speaker 2: cloning myself and how I would like to raise myself
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  Speaker 2: and tell myself, focus on this. Don't focus on that.
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  Speaker 2: This hairstyle won't look good on you. This is what
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  Speaker 2: you should do. I would love that. Sometimes people actually
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  Speaker 2: give birth to their clone. And Jennifer Garner has. I
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  Speaker 2: saw a photo of Ben Affleck and his new bride, JLo,
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  Speaker 2: and a couple of their kids in Paris and They
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  Speaker 2: are on a big European vacation with the five kids.
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  Speaker 2: And I am like, what? This is so weird. Why
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  Speaker 2: is Jennifer Garner on a honeymoon with them? Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: guess it's great. I guess she's like, you know, they're
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  Speaker 2: that evolved. They're like more evolved than Gwyneth Paltrow and
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  Speaker 2: her ex. No, that's their daughter. That's Ben Affleck's daughter.
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  Speaker 2: She looks so much like Jennifer. It's crazy. Same hair,
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  Speaker 2: same style, wears glasses. natural makeup, feminine, just so little,
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  Speaker 2: just the whole vibe. It's amazing. And she had a
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  Speaker 2: mask on. So maybe she doesn't look as much like
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  Speaker 2: the mom without a mask, but with a mask, I
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  Speaker 2: was dying. So that was kind of fun. What's not
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  Speaker 2: fun is that Ben, I don't think is having that
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  Speaker 2: great of a time. At least not the paparazzi shots
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  Speaker 2: that they're taking and sharing with us. Um, he fell
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  Speaker 2: asleep on like a gondola ride. He's tired. He was
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  Speaker 2: crying at dinner and JLo was consoling him. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a lot. He had to take photos. He had to
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  Speaker 2: do a whole photo shoot at the park. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and pretend that paparazzi aren't looking at them, but there's
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  Speaker 2: one shot where, where she's like hugging him. And Ben
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  Speaker 2: is just like this looking right at the camera. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're going along with it. You, you did
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  Speaker 2: this 20 years ago with JLo. When you slicked back
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  Speaker 2: your hair and we're driving, you know, um, Bentley's around
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  Speaker 2: with her and Rolls Royces and Mordeo drive as all
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  Speaker 2: the camera photos of you knew what was going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: You guys are meant to be together. Deal with it.
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  Speaker 2: Then he said, happy 53rd birthday JLo. And then of
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  Speaker 2: course she said, oh, it's my birthday. I'm launching my
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  Speaker 2: new JLo body line. Get this body lotion and have
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  Speaker 2: your body look like mine. Amazing. Look, she looks amazing.
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  Speaker 2: But look, she is marketing queen. She wants to stay relevant.
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  Speaker 2: You can't blame her. So there's always new things. She
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  Speaker 2: has a subscription account. She wants you to subscribe to
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  Speaker 2: get the inside scoop of her life. And Ben, deal
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  Speaker 2: with it. Okay. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. A couple
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  Speaker 2: interesting things happened in the show. Jamie Lee Curtis is
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  Speaker 2: an established actress. She's a very well-liked person. I know
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  Speaker 2: this because I was reading the comments, and apparently a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people loved that she made an appearance on
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  Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So she was in the
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  Speaker 2: Halloweens when Kyle played one of the little kid characters
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  Speaker 2: in it. And Kyle's like, I'm having a lunch to
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  Speaker 2: benefit Children's Hospital with Jamie Lee Curtis. And she comes,
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  Speaker 2: and I gotta say, you guys, I thought it was weird.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was really odd. I felt like Jamie...
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  Speaker 2: Lee Curtis was there and treated it like she was
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  Speaker 2: doing a guest star on blackish or something like, like
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  Speaker 2: a major sitcom. She came in, she had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of energy. Usually when there's like another famous person, that's
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  Speaker 2: a guest at a party, whether it's me or someone else,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of just act like you're there. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't act like you're, you know, the cameras are
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  Speaker 2: on you. You're like, you know, you act kind of
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  Speaker 2: cool about it. Well, I mean, she is a big deal,
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  Speaker 2: but so she walks in and, Kyle's like, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just a little flustered. I was just coloring my
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  Speaker 2: my roots, getting rid of my gray. And it's just, oh,
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  Speaker 2: just like, doesn't look good. I just need to get
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  Speaker 2: rid of this gray. And she's saying it to Jamie
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  Speaker 2: Lee Curtis, who has a completely gray head of hair
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  Speaker 2: that she's rocked for years. One of the few people
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  Speaker 2: that like rock was like, Hey, I'm gray. I don't
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  Speaker 2: give a shit. And she's like, I'm, I don't care
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  Speaker 2: about your gray. I don't, I don't care about your
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  Speaker 2: gray hair. I don't care about your face. I don't
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  Speaker 2: care about your outfit. I don't care about your home,
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  Speaker 2: though it's lovely. I don't care about the food you're
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  Speaker 2: going to serve. I care about your heart. All I
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  Speaker 2: care about, Kyle, look at me. All I care about
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  Speaker 2: is the beating vessel inside your body between the two lungs.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I hate that when someone does that
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  Speaker 2: because then you're like, well, now thanks for making me
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  Speaker 2: feel like an asshole that I'm a little bit vain
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  Speaker 2: about my fucking gray roots. I just thought I could
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  Speaker 2: talk to you like a girlfriend, not like you're going
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  Speaker 2: to tell me you're some elevated being that would never
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  Speaker 2: care about looks or anything. So then they sit down,
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of them have COVID. And I remember I
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: went to a Christmas party and Crystal was there and
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, what's the juicy scoop? And she's like, well,
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: like every week someone has COVID. So we haven't been
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  Speaker 2: filming Like not that things are a little stalled in
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  Speaker 2: the juice department, but I think it's been a good,
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  Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the juice. So anyway, they sit down and
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Lint. So, and Cherie, which is a new girl,
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  Speaker 2: she is Garcelle's friend. She says to Sutton, do you
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  Speaker 2: have any eyelash glue? My eyelash is falling and Sutton
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  Speaker 2: starts to fix it. And then Jamie Lee is like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, stop right now. I am so, I
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  Speaker 2: am so invested in this. Oh, let me, as if
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  Speaker 2: she's like, oh, I'm, I've never seen such vanity at
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  Speaker 2: a party. I've never seen girls like, it's just so
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  Speaker 2: not me. Let me. And then she fixed it. And
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  Speaker 2: then Sherry's like, thank you, Auntie Jamie. You just met
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  Speaker 2: the woman. It was weird. Then she goes through her
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  Speaker 2: gift pack, which is all these things. with my hand
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  Speaker 2: in yours, which is great. The money goes to Children's Hospital.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: That's nice. And then of course, Dorit's like, so chic.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I love it. I
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  Speaker 2: love it. And then she's like, you know, of course,
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Lynn is just such an evolved person. She doesn't
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  Speaker 2: care about looks. We know you don't care about looks,
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Lee. We saw your child's wedding, which was a
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  Speaker 2: cosplay theme. And obviously it's about the people's heart. We
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  Speaker 2: get it. I do believe she truly feels like that.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was weird. Crystal also talked about that
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  Speaker 2: she has an eating disorder still, and she has a
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  Speaker 2: lot of guilt about what she eats and thinks about it.
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  Speaker 2: And she throws it up into which Eric and Jane goes, really? Well,
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: when I'm feeling a little bloated, a little fat, I
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  Speaker 2: like to just take a bunch of laxatives and shit
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  Speaker 2: it out. And Crystal's like, and she goes, but you,
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  Speaker 2: you like to puke it. Crystal, you like to puke.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, give me a toilet and let me sit.
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  Speaker 2: Cause that's the way I do it. Have you tried it? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. It was so weird. Then thank God
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: Kathy Hilton is back. And we, like I said, we've
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  Speaker 2: got a lot to look forward to. She was funny
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  Speaker 2: and cool with Kyle. I missed her. So she is back.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, Diane Jenkins is fucking
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  Speaker 2: boring as shit. I cannot... I'm fast forwarding it. She's beautiful. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame you for casting this woman. I really don't.
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  Speaker 2: She's beautiful. She knows all these celebrities. She's 48 and
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  Speaker 2: trying to get pregnant with her second baby with her
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  Speaker 2: 26-year-old husband. She has a 22-year-old son or something and
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  Speaker 2: another daughter that jumps and is into horses. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You got $ 250 million from your ex-husband. You hung out
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  Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein. I don't know. And I don't, you'd
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  Speaker 2: think that was juicy. Okay. She's so bitchy and just boring,
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  Speaker 2: like just boring, just not interesting at all. So I really,
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  Speaker 2: I would be shocked if she came back, but, um, Anyway,
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: so that happened there. It's good. Also, we concluded the
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  Speaker 2: Ultimate Girls trip. Dorinda, most people still think she's a
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: mean bitch. And a lot of people wonder, is this
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  Speaker 2: the real Dorinda that we saw the last couple seasons?
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: And maybe the Dorinda we saw the first couple seasons
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: was her just acting being nice. And then as the
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: years went on, the cruelness came out. I don't know,
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: but she was awful and starting fights with everybody and
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: drank the whole time. It was just whatever. But what
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  Speaker 2: was juicy is that the guy that was the butler
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: who was presented as her regular butler Marco, he was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to confess. I'm an actor, a friend of
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  Speaker 2: a friend of a girlfriend worked on the show and
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: they needed someone right away. And I guess maybe he
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: has a little bit of service background, like he can
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  Speaker 2: make a drink or whatever, but he did seem like
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: he wasn't great at the job. He served them food
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: when they weren't supposed to have food upstairs and At
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: one point, Brandy and they all get really drunk and
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: they take off his shirt and he said, my wife
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: didn't like that. She didn't like seeing me be manhandled.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: I'd never seen the show. I didn't know what I
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: was walking into. So that was kind of juicy. Let
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: me see. Oh, so this Colorado girl, she's a young
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: girl under 30, works for a tech company. And she said, oh,
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: this is how much I make. This is my salary.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And I was able to get a raise, but this
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: is how much taxes come out when you get this
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: kind of a raise, but this is what you make.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: And so it got a lot of play because people
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: were kind of interested in what she made, but also
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: how much you paid taxes when you're a single woman. Well,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: her company didn't like that she was revealing that and
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: they fired her. And they said, we're just, we don't
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: like that you have this TikTok account because we're afraid
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  Speaker 2: that you could share more about our company than just
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  Speaker 2: your salary because It's not against the law for someone
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  Speaker 2: to share about their salary. There's like labor laws that
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: she has that right to share that with anybody. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think, you know, I just think so many
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  Speaker 2: people are just so into sharing every single thing about
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  Speaker 2: their lives. And I think you have to be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit careful. Like there is a Real Housewife producer
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  Speaker 2: that I follow on TikTok and I wrote her and
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  Speaker 2: I go, are these production companies not at all bummed
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  Speaker 2: that you like wake up and you're like, okay, we're
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: going to go film at this place. I had to
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: just talk to this bitchy housewife for a minute and
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  Speaker 2: tell her that, you know, she better be there on
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  Speaker 2: time or something. I mean, she's like, no, they don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe at this point when it's reality TV,
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  Speaker 2: we want all the press we can get. But in
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  Speaker 2: other ways, like I follow this other woman who's like,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I'm a chef for a rich Hamptons family. And she
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: really does just show the food that she makes. And
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting, but I'm like, Oh, I wonder
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: if she cleared that with them because like, Do you
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  Speaker 2: imagine if all of a sudden you're just watching someone
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok? You're like, that's my sister's house. Or I've
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  Speaker 2: seen it with nannies and stuff. Like, hi, I'll tell
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: you what it's like to be a day in the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: life of a nanny for someone really rich on the
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  Speaker 2: Upper East Side. So I made the kids some juice.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like showing, she doesn't show the kids, but
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  Speaker 2: she's like showing everything in the house. And besides you
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  Speaker 2: showing everything in my house, I'd be like, can you
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: not spend your whole day like filming and doing TikToks?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Like I'm paying you to watch my four-year-old. Anyway, that's
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: my little tip to you guys. Maybe don't put everything
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: on TikTok. Bethany, however, does. Bethany of Real Housewives of
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: New York, she told a story on her TikTok about
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: how she became the highest paid housewife in the history
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: of housewives. And she said, you know what? Andy came over.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: He's like, the show sucks. The ratings are down. What
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: do we have to do to get you back on
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: the show? And I said, you know what? I don't know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: but I don't negotiate. Bring me your best and final offer.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Best and final. And just know it better be high
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: because I don't need the money. I don't need to
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: do this. But you know what? If it's give me
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: an offer, I can't refuse and I'll take it. And
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that's how I became the highest paid housewife. So meanwhile,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: also Bethany is doing all these posts about beauty products.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And you think she's doing... I think the people at
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: home think it's like the greatest Christian service that anyone
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: could ever do. Like, this is not worth this expensive
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: thing for the department store. And she'll name it out.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: She'll be like, this product from blah, blah, blah is
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: not worth it. This wet and wild lipstick, to die,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to die. Shitballs, bananas, to die. I love it, to die.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And she's doing all these, like, you know, which is cool.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: That's cool to do. But as someone who knows Bethany,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: studies Bethany... People like Bethany don't make TikToks that take
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: time out of the goodness of their heart. Okay. So
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I definitely think, get ready for, I think it's going
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to be called Just Be Beauty. Okay. That's what I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: think the name's going to be. And I think she's
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: going to come out with her own beauty line or
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: be part of a beauty line or something where she's like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I've tested all the products. I told you what I
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: like from the expensive to the inexpensive, and I've created
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: my own line of products. that I love that will evolve.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I'll be introducing new products all the time, but this
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: is the appropriate price point for the things that spend
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a little more on foundation, but you don't need to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: spend as much here, you know, that type of thing.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And people will be like, absolutely. You've tested it all.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: You know it. We We know this. She's been on
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: my show a bunch. We've talked about it. Real housewives
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and reality stars do not get residuals. But residuals go
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: down a lot too. So if I did a guest
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: star on Malcolm in the Middle, I did make money
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: over the years, but it keeps, it's very little. Now,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: if I get a check for that, which was like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you know, 16 years ago and a guest role, it's like,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, $ 42. But it is crazy that these
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: housewives are in all these countries. It's on streaming on Peacock,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: but they agreed to it. They, it's a non-union gig.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: They don't get health insurance. They agree that we're going
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: to pay you this much, but that's it. So she
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: is saying, I don't like that you can use me
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: in flashbacks like currently. So if there's an episode now
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: on a season and then they're like, remember at that party?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And then they show Carol or they talk about Carol.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: She knows she's not going to get a dime from it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: She's just letting people go, that is kind of shitty. Hey,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do about it. And you know what?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You don't want to be a NeNe Leakes. That's not
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: going to help you get back on the show either. Meanwhile,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Ramona is having the time of her life, you guys.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: She is wearing this little silver skirt. She's dancing around.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: She's like, went to Calvin Harris, going on a yacht
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: with my girlfriends. She's having the best time of her life.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I don't hate it. I love it. And I thought
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: about it because I thought, you know, right now Luann
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and Sonia are doing this like simple life in this
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: town of 7,000 people and they're filming it. And I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: don't think that was a great day when Ramona found
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: out that she was not going to be part of
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: a show with the two women that she started housewives with,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: or even actually Sonia came after Ramona. Um, and I,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I love Lou, but if you were to ask me also,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I like to do the impression of Ramona more than
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: anyone on earth, but I would have thought Ramona and
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Sonia together, just the two of them together because they
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: both drink and, and Lou is sober. Um, I think
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: they would have been more of a comedic mess and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: looking for hot guys. And I don't know, to me,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: or all three of them. So I think the fact
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: that if I was Ramona, I would have been a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: little butthurt that I wasn't getting this paycheck, that I
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: wasn't part of it. And what better way to be like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you know what? You know what? It's okay. Cause I
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: have a lot of really rich girlfriends. Okay. I'm the
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: one with the real gorgeous yacht. We're going to go
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to Mykonos. We're going to go to Ibiza and I'm
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: going to, you know what? I look great. I feel great.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to dance my ass off. And she is
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: just having the time of her life. She is partying
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: till six in the morning. Her legs look great. And
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any better thing that she should
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: have done than tap into her one percenters and get
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: herself invited. So good for her. Enjoy watching it. It's
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: like freaking amazing. AI is everywhere, but ROI isn't.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: At PWC, we turn AI into advantage so you can
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: see results, not hype.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: filed against me. When your free will was about to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: be taken from you, what would you do if it
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: was given back?
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I need a home dad.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: happens next.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: every day was. You're worth the work.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: So, um, oh, uh, I interviewed this, uh, girl many
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: years ago and it's Chuck Lorre's wife and her name
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: is Arielle Lorre. And I enjoyed having her on my show.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: She has her own social media and her own podcast
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and everything. Anyway, I was always kind of fascinated about
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: the age difference between she and her husband. Besides Chuck,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Chuck Lorre is huge in the sitcom world. extremely wealthy,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: but all of his shows are huge, huge hits. Two
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and a half men, big bang theory, mom, all this stuff.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: They met, fell in love, 33 year age difference. She's 36.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He's 69. They announced that they are getting divorced and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: she will get spousal support. And then she had a
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: prenup and I'm sure she's well taken care of. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: she has her own career as well, which is nice.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And they asked for privacy and I'm not giving it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Cause I just found it interesting. Neither did people. Okay.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: People magazine didn't expect privacy either. Um, but one person
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: wrote in the comment, not all divorces are sad. And
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, you're right. Like I, I, she's like,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like a health nut and stuff. And she's only 36.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And when she came on my show, she's like, no,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want kids. And I'm not saying that she
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: will have kids, but By ending this marriage after just
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a couple years and still being a young girl, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: you have a whole nother life to do what you
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: want to do. And it sounds like she's smart and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: she's going to be well taken care of and it's
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: not ugly and they're both good with it. But, you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: you know how I feel about these extreme age difference.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: 33 years is a lot. So anyway, I think she'll
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: be just fine. Oh. this is a little update of
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: an asshole. Remember when Shannon Mochler was with that awful guy,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Matthew Rondo? Oh my God. And he was like filming her. Shannon,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Shana Mochler is Travis Barker's ex-wife. And anyway, she thought
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: she was pregnant. Then she's like, I'm not pregnant, but
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: this guy's an asshole. But then they got back together. Well,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: according to TMZ and legal docs, the LA City Attorney
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: did charge him with misdemeanor, domestic violence, and battery and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: vandalism for that horrible incident that happened right when she
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: got back from Big Brother. And so even if you
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: end up being back with this awful guy, it doesn't matter.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's up to the DA whether they want to go
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: forward with charges or not, and they did. So hopefully,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're still together, but... Now it's just,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: it's just so, I feel so badly for women that
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: then are with this awful person and then they take
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: them back and now they're being charged with it. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they're like blaming them. I'm sure, I'm sure
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: he's like such a dick. He's probably blaming her for this, um, arrest.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Julia, what the hell's her name? Julia
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Fox wore the most horrific outfit. She wore a bathing
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: suit top turned upside down. That wasn't the bad part.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And then these weird pants. that were so, so low
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in the pelvic area that you could see the razor
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: burn from where she had to shave the top of
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: her pubes. I mean, literally like the line of the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: vagina was almost being seen like the top. It was
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: so gross. I mean, she's very thin. So it's like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you're seeing like all the pelvic bones. It is awful. Um,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: if she ever wanted to act again, she's not going to.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I think she thought me showing up in these weird
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: fucking outfits will keep Juicy Scoop talking about me. Well,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: it did to an extent, but no one's going to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: cast you in anything, you weirdo desperate thing. Oh, I
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: want to talk about one more thing. I am not
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: at all endorsing this, but people are talking about it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: So I thought I might. A lot of people are
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: wondering what are the Kardashians using where they had such
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: rapid weight loss and dropped it so quick and their
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: bodies completely transformed. What is it? And a lot of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: people are talking about this and it's called Ozempic. And
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: it is an injectable medication. They're claiming it's safe and
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: effective for long-term weight loss. It is for, it's a diet.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It was originally a diabetes drug, but it's a once
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a week injectable. And I just think you guys should
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: know that's what's going on. That's what people are doing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And I, I don't know that it's good or bad.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, but People are talking about it,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: so I think you should be made aware. Check it out.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Or don't. Or don't. Just know that when you see
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: someone get that freaking skinny, it's not because they were
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: doing squats and holding off on the carbs. But hey,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it's okay. It can be all that. Okay, you guys.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Now for some real juicy crimes and some updates with
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• 30:33
  Speaker 2: as promised, my sister, Shannon McDonald Goldstein, attorney at law,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney, happened to be visiting this weekend, so
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: we get to have her one more time. We're going
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: to do some updates and some other juicy crimes that
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: have happened. So, Shannon, welcome back. Thanks, Heather. It's really
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: good to be back. Okay, we have another... Murder on
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: a honeymoon, you guys. American man is accused of murdering
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: his wife while on their honeymoon in Fiji. Tell us
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: about this, Shannon.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: So this is actually, I did a little bit of
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: a deeper dive because there really wasn't anything on this.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: But this couple, they get married in February and they're
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: planning this fabulous vacation. She's 36, he's 38. Unfortunately, about
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: three to four days in and they're at this resort
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: where literally only like 14 couples are there. So it's
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: like an own private island. So it's very exclusive and
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: they find her body bludgeoned, beaten in the bathroom of
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the resort. of the room, but they don't find it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It's like the next day of the hotel, of the hotel.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: So they immediately start looking for the husband because he's
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: not around. You got to figure there's only, your suspect
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: pool has gone down significantly. You're only at about 15 people, right?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: If you don't look, if everybody else has been accounted for.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So what I found out is apparently, um, allegedly he
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: was found a day or two, maybe a day or
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: two later, but he was actually, um, kayaking or paddling
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: at two or three in the morning to the other island.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: It was like two kilometers away. Yes, I found this.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: And he was bloody on his hands and he was
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: bloody and bruised. He's still bloody even though he's paddling
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and water's getting splashed? Well, they think that he was bruised. Well,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: it was bruised and bloody. And they think that maybe
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: one of the witnesses said that because maybe he got
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: stuck in those coral patches that you get in Fiji.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: So maybe not that. But supposedly, he got to the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: island by a kayak somehow in the morning. So that's
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: not good. Then they start talking about now that it
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: was kind of a whirlwind romance. Now we're talking about
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the family. So she is of Asian descent. And she
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: was a pastry chef that then became a pharmacist. He
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: actually works in charity work for a place called Youth Village.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: They say that when they got married, suddenly half the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: people at the wedding had met him for the first time.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: So we don't really know where he kind of came from.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: So they were a little like, what's going on with that?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Like is he a dirty John or something?
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Something.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Like love bombed her and kept her a little isolated
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: from her friends in order for them not to investigate him.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: You think about that. Now it's kind of like, hmm,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: what was this? But I think, and I think... they're right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a picture of them very happy at
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: their wedding and then we're married for six months and
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: there was no, Oh, they were married for six months
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: and then they just now went on the honeymoon. Right.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Cause of COVID and everything. Probably COVID maybe because they
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: were trying to, you know, figure out how to afford
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: this vacation. I mean, if you work for a charity, I'm,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine this was an easy honeymoon to plan. Right.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: And she wanted to be married to him forever. They
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: say she really wanted babies. So I don't know if
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: this was an argument about, you know, children or, I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: don't really know what happened. Obviously, he's denying everything, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: they're trying to get him bailed out. He has to
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: go back to Fiji and the main island on the 27th,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: but he's not going to bail out because he has
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: no contacts or no reason to stay. Okay, so Shannon,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: you got this. This is your client. Oh, my God.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: What's the story? What is the defense? I mean, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: would think if I was on your team of lawyers,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I would say, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: You can't tell him what to do. No, but you're
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: going to tell me what your defense is. I'm not me.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you what my defense is. No,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you be the attorney, but I'm going to be what
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you as the husband. As the husband. Okay. Well,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: you're right. You know, people are right. We did get
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: in an argument because, you know, she was flirting with
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: this workman throughout the whole time that we were there.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know his name. Juan or something. Um, you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: he's bartender, whatever. Just, it was different guys the whole time.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I know there was only 15 people there, but she
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: was flirting with all these guys. And I just said,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: you know what? I don't even know why I'm here. Just,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: why don't you just get with a bartender? And I
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: just hopped in this kayak and I was so pissed
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: about how, you know, she was disrespecting me. Maybe this
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: marriage wasn't right. And I paddle, paddle, paddle. And then
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I saw that I had gone so far from this
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Island that I'm like, I better not turn around and
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: go back to this Island where I have a hotel
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: room that I paid for. Let me go to this
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: other Island and just, and then I'll get on the phone.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I'll call her and we'll make up. So when I
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: got there, you can imagine my surprise when the authorities
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: found me there and told me that my wife had
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: been bludgeoned to death. Well, cause I didn't do it obviously.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And my, my hands are marked up. These aren't nail scratches.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: They're the coral reef scratches. Um, From not being that
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: experienced of a kayaker, but just really wanting to get my,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: not my steps in, but my strokes in of a Fitbit. Well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I certainly can understand this story, especially if the next
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: day you maybe reached out and couldn't find your wife
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: on this island, but they didn't arrest you until two
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: days later. Were you ever planning on coming back to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: see if she was okay? Or were you really done
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: with the marriage? She said, get the hell out. When
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: we were fighting, she said, get the hell out. So
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I left. I mean, I would never want this. Like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: why would I want her dead? She makes incredible pastries
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: and she can get me like a Z-pack anytime I
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: need it from the pharmacy. So like, obviously it benefits
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: me nothing. except the life insurance policy, but every couple
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: has that. So no, there's no benefit in this happening.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm devastated. So where were you when they
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: arrested you? I was just sitting at this little bar
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: and having a Mai Tai because I just thought we
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: were just having a fight for two days though. How
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: long was your honeymoon for? How long was it for?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Did you look it up?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: No.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Probably a week. Probably 10 days.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: So what was the plan? Before you were arrested, what
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: was the plan? After you finished the Mai Tai, kind
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: of tell me what the plan was. The plan was
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: let her get some steam off. She wasn't calling me back,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: as you can see. I called her. I left her
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: very sweet voicemail messages. Babe, let's work this out. Babe,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: sorry I got so heated. I'm just such, you know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know why you're flirting with all these weird people.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Local guys whose names I don't know or faces I
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: can't recognize. But stay away from them because, you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: they could get weird. And I love you. Let's work
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: it out. So there's like tons of those messages. Some
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: of them I even did from the boat. From the kayak. Oh,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: from the kayak. Okay. Yeah. So, um, so I'm assuming
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the police have taken your phone, correct?
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Okay. And, um, and it's not going to be concerning
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: at all to them. No, cause I deleted everything.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: You deleted everything. Oh, all the messages you said just
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: because you were. No, the messages are on her phone.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I left those voicemail messages, but all the texts and stuff,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I just, I just deleted just cause I thought, you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: we were saying mean stuff to each other. So I
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: just deleted that. Like, I don't need to look at
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that and be reminded that we were fighting. So that's gone.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Well, this is good. And then my Snapchat and all that, that,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: you know, that always disappears anyway.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And I got rid of my Instagram and DMs too.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: So when you were fighting, you definitely left the phone there.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Her phone was just sitting there, correct? Yeah, I guess.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I left. When I left, she was, you know, alive, obviously. Okay.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And where was she? Was she in the- Just in
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: the living room, just like yelling at me. So then
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, I'm getting out of here.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And about what time did you leave? And then
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: she said she was good. She's like, good, I'm glad
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: you're leaving because I'm going to go walk around and
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: have a drink with some of these strange people I've
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: been flirting with. And I'm like, you go do it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And I'm so mad at myself that I let her
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: do that. Just, oh, how could I? Yeah. Okay. Well, good.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're going to see, I think
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: we have a solid case. And once they do the
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: investigation and they, you know, take, um, you know, they
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: determine where the, the blood splatter evidence is and, um,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of around the house. And, um, so
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: what were you, were you staying at a, a department
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: or a condo or anything over on that other Island? Well,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I had done the dumb mistake of like not leaving
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: with a lot of money. So I just was just
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: sleeping in the sand. Is that where you met that
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: friend that saw that you were kind of like your
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: hands were all sort of beaten and torn up? Oh,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: that guy that's talking to local police that I met
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: at the bar? Yeah. Yeah. I thought he was cool. Whatever. Yeah. Well, no,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, he said that that's what you said. He
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: said that usually inexperienced kayakers have that problem with the coral.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk to him, too, because he sounds like
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a really good witness. Okay. Okay. Great. Now, Shannon, you've
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: been given this case, and I am your client. Mm-hmm.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: What angle are you going to take? Okay. So first
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of all, I'm going to call my client down and
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be... And I'm absolutely... We'll not discuss
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: the case with him at all. I do not want
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: to hear his story. Not yet. Not at all.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: So you're bummed that I told you everything. Yeah. I
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: kind of... I am kind of bummed. But it's okay because...
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: You have, I, right now I'm just going to, you know,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: proclaim your innocence and we'll get to that point and stuff.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: And we're going to probably have to talk about it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: But right now we just, I want to calm him down.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I want to figure out bail. I want to talk
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to his family. I want to find out a little
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: bit more about her. I want to find out if
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: there were, you know, what were your days like? Who
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: did you befriend? I'll talk to that other potential witness.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: So I definitely have my own investigation going on. And
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: just kind of, other than just saying, it's... When do
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: you go to him? Would you only go to him
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: if they had some really solid stuff? Like DNA and...
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Would you go to who? Like, would you go to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: your client and tell them, I think you better plea.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: What if they said we have a bloody... Handprint on
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the wall. That's his handprint. That's pretty inexcusable that he
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: was there while she was bleeding and chose to let
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: her die and leave. But there's, but there's so many,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I like your story. I totally love your story. Just
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: for example. And actually it was not a story that
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I was actually thinking. So I was actually thinking a
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: different story, a different defense. What was your defense? I
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: was thinking that they did have a fight, which would
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: explain her blood and potentially his blood. Oh, like it
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: did get physical. It did get physical.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Like it did definitely get physical, but he said, you know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: and he kind of, freaked out and got upset. Um,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I also think that there might've been a situation where
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: she sort of feigned it all by basically kind of
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: starting herself. She could have been hurting herself. He could
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: have come in and seen her, tried to stop, grabbed her, uh,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: and then realized that she was already dying. You know,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know what beaten to death means. So I'd
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: have to look at that. It could be just like
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: she slit her wrist. It could be a lot of
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: different things. But then he would have had the blood
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: on her already. So that could have, depending on what
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: the forensic evidence shows, that's another thing we'd have to
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, evaluate. Why wouldn't he tell anybody?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Why would he get in the kayak? Well, because he's
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: freaked out. He's like, oh my God, oh my God,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen now? I need to get into
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: the kayak. I do have a real big issue with
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the fact that if he left at two or three
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: in the morning and nobody, you know, they find him
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: not the next morning on the island, but two days later,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that's going to be tougher. To say, what were you
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: doing for two days? And also, kayaking at night. And also,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: did he just steal the kayak or did he rent
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: it out? Obviously, that's a problem. So that's going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: be another crime. That's going to be another, yeah. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: we got to see what's in the kayak and where
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the kayak is. And if the story is just bullshit,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: but it's... read really good for today's podcast. So, I mean,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: because it makes it very interesting. But when you look
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: at the story, no, it doesn't look good. But there's
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: all these kinds of areas that you could go into. Now,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: if it's not a lot there, and you might just say, look,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: it just went really, really, really bad. Then you can
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: at least not do a murder two or a murder one.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: You can do a voluntary manslaughter. Crime of passion. Which
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: is going to lower the potential time. I have no
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: idea how Fiji even handles this. Right. Because- But you
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: have to kind of wonder. He has to stay in Fiji,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: but then Fiji... He has to stay in Fiji. Okay. Basically,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: when you're a US citizen and you go overseas, right now,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: they really basically have to handle this case because this
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: is where the crime... Fiji does.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: This is where the crime happened. Now, I think it's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: better than maybe happening in China or something, but they're
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: going to take it very seriously. I kind of wonder,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: it's really the timing element for me is what I'm
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: concerned about. Because you have 14 supposed couples. So did
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: they wait 24 hours before they found the body? Because
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: how long was the body post-mortem? It was the housekeeper
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that found her. Okay, it was. So then you would
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: think that that would have happened the next day. So
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: then you're trying to find him. But also, you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: so many hotels I go to now, they're like, sorry,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: because of COVID, we don't have housekeeping. So unless you
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: really want it, you have to call down and ask
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: for it. And usually when I'm on the road, I'm like,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Just send me some more towels and some ice. Like,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I don't need you coming in. It's fine. And they
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: could have been that couple that said, I don't need...
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: But I mean, at a fancy resort, I kind of
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: doubt it. I would think that it's still once a
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: day because it's like resort-y. But also just like what
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: that famous story that happened in Cancun where the producer
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: of Survivor did get convicted for killing his wife and
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: they found her body in like a manhole thing on
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the resort. The defense could be... that the prosecutor of
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: these countries, they definitely want it to be the husband.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: They don't want it to be some random worker.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Because we need all the Americans to come and, you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: tourism is our biggest commodity or whatever. And they make
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: a big deal about it. We want everyone to know
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: that this is safe, safe, safe, safe, safe. We know
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: it's the husband and we know it was intentional. Right.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: He's not going to go after anybody else. But that's
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: always a good defense too, is to say like, you
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: guys are so quick to make it the husband, you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: and that in that Cancun case, there were sketchy stories
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of people at this resort and walking in and there
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: being like a workman in their room and strange things
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that had happened, but there was enough evidence. I do
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: think they got the right person in that particular case.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: If you guys want to look it up, it's survivor
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: producer just google survivor producer and cancun and i i
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: i think he's still there doing the time but he
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: still proclaims his innocence and everything but it's yeah so
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: we'll see where this goes but it's very sad obviously
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: very sad for the victim and her friends and family
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: but maybe they got this is weird because he doesn't
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: want the children you know you don't know where this
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: fight could have led to like what you know what
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: the fight was about yeah maybe it was about the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: child maybe it was about the flirting maybe it was
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: maybe it was somebody that was wait why do you
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: keep bringing up children Because she said she wanted to
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: be married to this guy forever and have babies. That's
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: what some of the family said because they didn't really
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: know him that well. And she's 36. He's 38. It
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: was a whirlwind romance. How did they meet? And so
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: you're thinking maybe he was like, I don't want to.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: It just, maybe the last six months wasn't what he
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: banked on. I mean, but you would, again, you would
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: think if he really did this. Do we know what
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: he did for a living?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: He worked for a charity, Village Youth.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: So he's like this, yeah. Sounds a little shady. A little, yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Then you kind of wonder about that. And then you're like,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: but then if it was really something that he intended,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: couldn't he have done a better job cleaning up the
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: body that's in the bathroom? I read something about like
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: a dirty John type and saying you work for a
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: charity is a very easy thing to fake. Right. A job.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I definitely think there's... Because you can leave every day
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: and you can go to a coffee shop and whatever.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. Something is definitely not right. This does
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: not look good for him. Okay. This was Juicy and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: you have some info on it. We all remember the
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Juicy GoFundMe story where there was this couple who did
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: like a video and said, oh my God, I was
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: getting gas and I had no money and I needed gas.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: And a homeless guy who turns out to be a
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: former vet or is a vet, a former Marine, gave
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: me his last $ 10. Let's do something for him, you guys.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: And she started to go fund me and he got
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: over $ 400, 000. And then it gets revealed that they were
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: all in cahoots. So explain a little bit of how
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: they got caught and what is going on because she's
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: in a lot of trouble, the girl. So this happened
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: in 2017. And it played out exactly like the way
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: you said it. But obviously they were in cahoots. I
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: think he was definitely homeless, but it wasn't so much like, oh,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I ran out of gas and he paid me $ 20.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: It was more like, hey, you scratch my back, I
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: could scratch yours and we could help each other out.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Didn't they meet him somewhere and plan it out? Correct.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: So they met him somewhere and thought of this whole
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: elaborate plan, which I find really So juicy and fascinating because,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: you know, you see these things where things go viral
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: and it's like, what came first, the chicken or the egg,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: and then how you can get things from it. And, um,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: there was actually a movie coming out where a girl
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: does a fake, um, tries to pretend that she's a
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: fake influencer flying all around Paris, which we've seen happens
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: where people put like private shit, they Photoshop stuff. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: so she figures out a way to Photoshop that she's
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: in Paris. And then there's a terrorist attack in Paris.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And they're like, oh my God, our favorite influencer. Let's
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: talk to her. And she starts to say, oh, it was,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I made it out alive. And now
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: she's in this huge lie. Yeah, she's lie after lie
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: after lie. And now she has to dig herself out.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And you're getting this fame and you're getting, and you know,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: as such a, like that's a scripted story, but so juicy.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: And this is kind of one of those things where
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: they probably saw, saw, stuff like this happening, realized how
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: people love a story like this, that, oh my God,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: even though this guy was down and out. he still
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: had the heart to give this girl $ 10. And then
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: this couple's so great to help him. But then where
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: it gets weird, what I remember, is first we heard
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: that then he came forward and was like, they took
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: all my money. So here's what happened. Okay. So they
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: end up getting about $ 400, 000 from GoFundMe. And they're probably
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: not thinking it's the worst thing in the world because
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: everyone gives about $ 100, like speaking about the Genshaw, like
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not hurting one person all that much. They get
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: about 360, you know, after fees. They give him like $ 75, 000.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: But whether that was agreed to or not, who knows?
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: So they think $ 75, 000, he'll be great. Well, you know,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: he probably blows it on alcohol or drugs and he
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't really change his life. And now he's mad. So
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: he goes after them and sues them. And that's when
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: they got a hold of this. Because in the meantime,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: they're buying Louis Vuitton purses. The couple is. She is, yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: They're taking the Las Vegas trip. They're gambling to, you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: succeed on the money. I mean, I think this whole
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: thing started because they sort of found each other and
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: realized that they were all kind of financially in trouble.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: And maybe they could all benefit each other. And I
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: think this couple thought this guy will go away for
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: 75 grand and he didn't. And then it all really
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: blew up. Right. I mean, I also love that. It's just,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it's just the, the decade of the hoaxes. Oh God.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, between, you know, the Petaluma mom who, you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: tried to say that her kids were being followed by
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: a couple that wanted to kidnap them. And it was
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: for her to gain followers basically and get attention and,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: She wasn't worried about that. The couple was like, what? Us?
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: That story. You know that one. Of course, my other
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: favorite one, the girl that faked her own kidnapping to
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: be with her high school boyfriend. Where was she from?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: That was up in Northern California, too. Yeah, a lot
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: of California weirdos. Well, I think it's more about attention, too.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: It's about wanting the attention and what it gains and
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: what it gets. Also, so many people just doing... like
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: a Tik TOK after something traumatic happens, there's actually a
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: funny trend, um, on Tik TOK right now, a parody.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen this, Annie, where people
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: are saying like, oh my gosh, I was with my
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: daughter and she's, um, 163 months old. And my other
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: son is 93 months old. Like they're all the kids.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: And I was at target and my God, you guys,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: this guy, glanced at my children twice. I am shaking.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I am shaking. Like everyone acting like their kids are
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: about to be stolen from target and like, watch your
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: kids and like be, be a warrior mama. Like it's,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: you know, but it's, it all comes from that of
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: just like these, just people having to, Tell their story
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: every time something happens to them. And then it's like...
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: But it's also kind of sad because there's younger kids
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: that actually do get kidnapped even from stores like this. No,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: it does happen. But it's like... So it's like... But
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get the... Everyone thinking that they're kids.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: But okay, so now... Continue with this. So now at
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: the end... So basically, everybody got convicted. They all got
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: convicted of basically deception by... Fraud by deception, right? Because
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: they all... unwillingly got this money, including Mr. Bobbitt, who
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: was homeless. Undeservingly got the money. They lied about it. Right. Yeah.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: So now the main guy got five years. The boyfriend.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: The boyfriend. And I'm not sure where he is in
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: that actual custody time. The girl got her one year
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and then suspended the rest, and then she should be
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: going in soon. And Mr. Bobbitt, actually, he ended up
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: pleading on the night about two years ago. He did
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: not get any time, but he did get probation that
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: required rehab. It is kind of interesting. That's a good story. Well,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, he needs it. I mean, yeah, but I
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: also feel he was a victim too. He was. And
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: they found this guy who was just like... A drug addict,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: a vet, like homeless. And yeah. So I'm glad that
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: he didn't do time. They were the masterminds. They were
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: the masterminds. And I think that's exactly why. But at
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the same time, really, who are the victims? Unfortunately, we're
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: the GoFundMe people. But also, can you imagine when he
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: came after them, how they must have been like, God,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: you fucking idiot. Like, shut up. Right. You had 75,000
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: and everyone like, You're the one that didn't use it right.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: But I think the problem is he probably was hanging
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: out with his friends. He had already blown through the 75.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: He told the story. He told the story. And those
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: guys around were like, man, you need to get more money. God,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I think we know exactly.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly what happened. He's like, why are you guy? And then,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: of course, you're saying, well, I think they got something
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: like $ 400, 000. So an attorney is going to say, well,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: that means, okay, so 33% of $ 350, 000. Yeah, I'll take
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: this case for you. And then it's out. And then
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: if they're really smart, the attorney probably has a buddy
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: in the DA's office, the investigative office, and says, hey,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: this is kind of BS. But the truth, really what
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: the saddest thing about this whole thing is whoever created GoFundMe... was,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: it was a, it was, it went in with good intentions, right?
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Such good intentions. And GoFundMe is really great, but you should, um,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: and if you're someone that, you know, has a GoFundMe
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: account and you like to give five, $ 20, whatever, just
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: be really conscious of who you're, who's really getting it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: And also like, look, have they reached their goal? Then
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: maybe give to someone else. Like, you know, like sometimes
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I see these things where they're like, above the goal.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: The goal was 20,000 and it's like, you know, 250,000
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: because the story was that good or it was in
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: the news. And I'm like, all right. You know, like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just saying be, be very careful because,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: but then I think what people liked about GoFundMe is
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: that it went directly to the person when you'd hear
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: about the, you know, the misappropriation of funds of like
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: these big charity events and these foundations and, you know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Like when I was doing something and they said, oh,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: what's your charity? And I said, oh, you know, I
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: was joking. I'm like, oh, it's the Heather McDonald Foundation.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: It helps middle-aged women named Heather McDonald get, you know, Botox.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, really? It's called your foundation? Right. And you
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: think it's... Come on. Well, you have to. I mean,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: there are certain foundations under your name that really... But
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: that's why it's so important under 501Cs that you are
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: supposed to be showing all of these things. But you
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: should be also very careful who you give your money to. Absolutely.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I think that's why people liked it is because it
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: would go directly to the person to have a funeral
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: or whatever they needed. But some of these things are
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: when you see people that are asking for... something, you know, like,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, my kid really wants their closet redone
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: and they like live in a nice home. I'm just
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: using as an example. And it would just be so
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: much if my teenage daughter could have the walk-in closet
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: of her dreams. And like, I mean, I've literally... Oh no,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: I've seen it. And because they're a celebrity, people will
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: give that. And it's like, okay, but your child's still
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: in private school and... But I think people are giving
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: to these ridiculous things because it's going viral, because then
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: they'll be jumping on the viral attention bandwagon. And I
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people never gave money to like
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: maybe United Way or a lot of places because their
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: donation kind of get lost and it might go into
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: administrative stuff and they didn't want that. But then they
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: give it to somebody who's just... you know, these people
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and then it goes sideways. So yeah, somewhere in the middle,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: maybe there might be a movie or a doc about
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: this or coming out, which I think is very juicy.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I think they should. It's really interesting. You were a
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: big hit in convincing, uh, Jen Shaw to do her
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: plea deal. Um, Jen Shaw, I just, uh, noticed that
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: she's back. She's posting, she's doing shamazing and, um, you know,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are talking about the speculation of
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: what kind of time she actually will get. We had
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: said she can't appeal if she gets more than 14 years,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean she's going to get 14 years.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Do you have any more thoughts or predictions of about
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the time that she would do? Well, I'm glad she's
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: doing shemazing and, um, I'm hoping she's wearing less purses
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: and she's taking it down a notch. And I, you know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I hope maybe she, uh, Took my advice and is
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: working on lowering that time. I do think she's going
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: to get some time. I don't think... I think there's
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: a strong possibility it won't be 14 years. I think
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: we saw that she gets to do Halloween, which is
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: great because I'm sure she had some great costumes planned.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: It's always a fun holiday. I think she's going to
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: get sentenced after Thanksgiving. And then I heard somewhere that they...
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: her people might, she might get sentenced, but then she
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: might not have to turn herself in until maybe after Christmas.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: And that can happen for sure. I mean, if you
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: could try to work something out, but a lot of
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: times it's, if it's not really determined ahead of time, then,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't know, you can't take anything for granted.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: So if I was her, I'd be still working with the,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: like the the sentencing memorandum. I'd be working with the
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: prosecution to the extent that they can say anything good.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I'd be obviously working with the victims to the extent that,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: you know, anything like, I think I mentioned before restitution,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I think could be a huge factor in that. So
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: she's going to be, she should be paying all that money.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: The thing is, is that I think when people in
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: the Bravo world compare her and I just saw posts, like,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: why aren't people more upset with about Jen Shah. They're
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: so upset about Erica Jane. And I just think the
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: cases are just very different. And in this one, she
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: was doing the scam and we haven't really, even the
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Hulu doc didn't really, we didn't see a personal victim
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: like we did in the, um, the Jen Shah Hulu
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: doc was very different than the, than the Erica Jane
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Hulu doc where we actually saw the victim and, saw
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: his burns and saw what he went through and heard
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: from himself, what it was like. And I don't think
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: that we literally don't know what the... We haven't heard
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: anyone be like, so I was living my great life.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do this thing. And after that, I
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: lost my home. I lost this. My life was ruined.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: I got divorced. We don't know what So I don't
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: think as a person at home that we have that
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: same kind of passion that we do, obviously. And the
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: crimes were worse as far as the Tom Girardi did. Well,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: that's what sentencing is about. Because we're talking about what's
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Jen Shaw's defense or what's her mitigation. But really, it's
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: what the prosecution is going to present. So expect a
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: sentencing that That does feature that. Extremely tough. Yeah. To
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: tell these stories. I mean, it's not really unlike anything
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: that we saw with the Athlete A story. That was
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: all the sentencing. When all those athletes... Oh, with the... Gymnastics.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the... Larry... Nassif. Nassif. Oh. So that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: was sentencing. When he was... Yes. Yes. Well, all the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: girls that got molested and, you know, violated all those years. Okay.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Then you got, then you all, and then they came
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: and they told their impact statements and they said what happened.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: So there's two ways you can kind of do this.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, there could be a situation where it would
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: benefit if she paid the restitution, if she showed some
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: more remorse, and then maybe the prosecution won't go after
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: her any more than they already have. And you have
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: to kind of wonder, did they agree to the 14 years?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: And same with the judge, because maybe they don't have
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: those victims readily available. And I just wonder if the victims,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: is it like there's 2,000 victims, but nobody lost more
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: than $ 12, 000? Yes. We don't know what I mean. Like there,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: there isn't that like, you know, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: That's where I, I think. And then the other question is,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: does her, did her, why is no one going after
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: her husband the way they're going after Erica Jane? Well,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: quite simply, Erica Jane has checks going to Erica Jane's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: business from the law firm and I don't think there's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: any checks like that. Did he, did Jen Shah's husband
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: benefit from being her husband and, you know, having some
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Gucci loafers and having a nice party thrown for him? Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: But he also had a whole nother career that he
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: got a paycheck from completely separate from her, but he
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: was a former attorney. So did he know what was
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: going on? Yeah. I think people know when they're married
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: to someone shady. I think there's a lot of women
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: out there that know they're married to someone shady. And
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: they're like, I don't really want to ask about it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: But you also have to understand what the Erika Jayne thing...
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, Tom Girardi, everybody knew who Tom Girardi is,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: but everybody knew who Erika Jayne was. I mean, we
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: know who coach... I don't even know his last name.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: But we only know who Erika Jayne was because Real
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Housewives of Beverly Hills. When she was paying to perform
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: at the white parties in Palm Springs, nobody, including the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: gay guys gyrating to her song, had ever heard of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: her before. No, but I agree. But once you get
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: that persona, and then it comes out that all the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: money that was being loaned to this company, I mean... Okay.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, Erica could put on her blinders and say, oh,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: everything was great. And there is no problem with them
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: doing that. But the problem I really have, if you
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: really look through the background of it, is that she
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: was subpoenaed twice for that original lawsuit. Who are we
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: talking about? Jen. No, now I'm talking about Erica Jane. Okay,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Erica Jane. She was subpoenaed twice. That was, I believe,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: in March and June of 2020. She didn't announce her
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: divorce until November of 2020. Okay. She acts like she
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: didn't know anything about it. And somewhere along 2020, he's,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: you know, going through the Alzheimer's or... Well, I'll tell
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: you what happened, baby. I'll tell you what happened. Tom
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: told me, don't worry about it. That's part of the game.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: You get sued, you sue people, you know, jealous people.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: So I answered the best I could, but no, I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: didn't have the knowledge of it. Yeah, she probably had
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: the knowledge of it. I think it's pretty clear. Of
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: course she had. And one of the reasons she... Because
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: we know she didn't even show up for the subpoena.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: She just dodged bullets. Oh, I'm on vacation or I'm
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: on something. So then six months later, while this case
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: is supposedly going further and she's still getting money put
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: in her account and she's accepting it and she's making
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: her own money and somehow, I mean, did she know
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: exactly what was happening? I don't know, but I mean, really?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: It was just a bottomless well? Two juicy things that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: happened in the episode that aired this past week was
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: she goes over to Diane Jenkins' house and Diane Jenkins
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: is going to donate or get rid of some of
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: her fancy clothes. And Erica's like, it's a lot. It's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: a lot when you have a collection like this. I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: sold a lot of my collection. And I was like,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Where did that go? Yeah. I thought there was some
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: limit to her going to the real, real with her clothes.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: And then the other thing she said was, I'm still
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: separated from Tom because if I divorced him, I'd have
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: to pay alimony. So I'll just stay separated. And I'm like, yeah,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I agree. Don't get divorced. And you would have to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: pay alimony because you're making a salary and he's not.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: And you giving him money so he can have more
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: snacks at the memory care facility. I don't think that's
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: going to help the victims either. And you better save
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: it for your glam squad in your dollhouse. So, I mean,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of some juicy stuff that
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: was revealed. Well, the divorce is really just to take second.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: you know, tier to obviously all the other cases that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: are going on. I mean, the victims are more important.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: So it's like the divorce right now. Okay. That's just
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: kind of a juggernaut. I mean, why are, for his
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: sake too, like, does it really matter? I mean, both,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: he doesn't supposedly have any money because if he did,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: he'd be giving it to the victims. And right now,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: because we don't really know where the money is, that's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: really the scary thing. We have to go after Erica
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Jane because she's the only one that maybe has this money.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: If she even still has it. I don't think there
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: is any. I kind of wonder too. I don't think...
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I mean... But where are you going to go? Because
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: it's bad enough. I mean, his reputation has been ruined.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: It's also very sad if he was going through this
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Alzheimer's thing. But if it's really been going on for
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: a decade, which is the allegation and the complaint, then...
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: You mean the crimes? The crimes. Well, I think they've
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: even gone... I think we discovered that it had even
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: gone farther. Even to the Erin Brockovich days, there was
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: stuff that wasn't done totally right. And I know that
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: attorney that's dealing with... not Ron Richards, but the other
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: attorney I think is now, I want to say his
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: name is Edelson.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: He's trying to, you know, really basically kind of go
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: back into years, you know, and then, but then you
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: also want to think about not just him, but all
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: of the partners, because there's another lawsuit going where his
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: partners are suing Tom Girardi. But then when you look
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: at that point, it was like, I understand that they
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: didn't get their partner money, but you're saying for all
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: that time, you didn't know what was going on and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: you didn't know that these cases were, these victims were
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: not being paid and, And I also read something too,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: that toward the end, he was giving these, he was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: basically pawning these cases off where he thought he'd be
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: getting quite a bit of money, like a good personal
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: injury case and giving it to other attorneys.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: So he would get someone to come into him because
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: they know Erica Jane and they know the, you know, uh,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Aaron Brockovich story. And he'd be like, oh, this crime
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: happened in Chicago. I'll give it to this attorney and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: then I get like a referral fee or a chunk
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: of it. So he gets some money. But the other
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: person really does all the work. Right. Well, he also,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, he doesn't want to have more victims. Right.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: So he's taking, because right now everything, I mean, really
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: literally it's he's taking away one area to fill up
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: another pot. Right. So it's like he wants to give
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: it to another attorney because- I'll take that. I'll take
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: some money I can spend as opposed to having these
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: 500 victims not get their settlement check because I can't,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: because I've got to fill out the other pot to
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: pay the other people I never paid off. So it
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: just becomes so deep. There's nowhere to go. And that's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: what happens. Well, okay. So, so that's, we'll see what happens. Um,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: but she can enjoy the rest of her Halloween, her summer,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: her filming, Jen Shaw can, um, And then we'll see
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: what she gets. I wanted to just say one thing
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: on that. When we talk about like sympathetic victims, I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: kind of get the feeling at least with a little
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: bit that we do know about these victims. Which about
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw now. Is that, you know, yeah,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: it's pretty gross what she did because we're talking about
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: maybe somewhat more vulnerable people. But I think most people
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: know that you shouldn't be investing in stupid stuff like this.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: It's like a little bit of a dummy thing. But
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: that's another reason why I don't think we're getting anyone
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: that wanted to go on the Hulu doc, because they're embarrassed.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: It's like, think about if it happened to dad. Think
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: if when dad got an email or dad thought something was,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever, and ended up giving this chick, Jen Shaw,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: 10 grand that he never got back. There's no way
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: dad would want to be on camera or dad go
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: down to the courthouse and tell his boo-hoo story about
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: being such an old, stupid man that he gave $ 10, 000. Yeah,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: that he doesn't understand. And so that's where I think it's,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: you know, and even in her head, even though they
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: were vulnerable and stuff in her head, she probably was like,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: this isn't going to, you know, I'm not taking someone's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: home from them. So we'll find out what happens because
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: if there is something there, the prosecution is going to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: bring it. And if there's not, and she's able to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: pay off that restitution, you're probably going to see significantly
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: less time than 14 years. I'm going to say my
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: prediction now. Mark it down, Annie. I'm going to say
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: she gets sentenced for like 34 months and she gets out.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: So that's three years, just under three years. I just
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: didn't do want to do it on the dot because
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I just thought that would be like two on the nose, 36.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to say 34 years. And then she
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: gets out at like 21. She gets out just under
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: two years. That's my prediction. I think she's going to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: get five years. And I think she's going to get
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: approximately 10 years supervised probation. I don't think supervised. Who
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: cares about supervised probation? I know, but that's the justification,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: I think, for the five years as opposed to the 10, 11, 12, 8, 9. Okay,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: that's a good one. I think she'll get about five,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: give or take. She'll get up and then how much
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: time will she do? Maybe three and a half. Okay.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, we're close. Well, Shannon, thank you so
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: much for all your juicy, uh, tidbits and role-playing with me.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Tell everybody where they can find you and your husband's
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: practice if they ever need an attorney or advice. Thank you.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: We are in the Palm Desert Coachella area and it's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: actually michaelgoldstein.net, www.michaelgoldstein.net. But I'm Shannon McDonald Goldstein. You can
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: always find me up and, uh, And our website's pretty
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: easy to find. And we do all of the DUIs.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: And we do a lot of traffic. But we do
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: all kinds of criminal work. And I've done some juvenile.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: And hopefully that's not needed too. But I do juvenile
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: dependency work too. Great. Thanks.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: All right. Bye.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: for it? This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: You have to put me in touch.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: What's it called?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: It's Dunaidial.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E. Do you mean... Yes,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: Lift?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Please. Are you going past Kimmage?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.