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141. That Time the USA Banned Sliced Bread · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now?
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  Speaker 1: The history podcast That's not Your history class with me
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  Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlwood, history harlante and reader of books.
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  Speaker 1: I had an experience this morning. Let me tell you
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  Speaker 1: all about it. So I'm on the phone to my mum.
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  Speaker 1: I've got my ear buds in. She calls me first
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  Speaker 1: thing in the morning because she knows that's when she'll
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  Speaker 1: get through to me. So I'm taught her along. As
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  Speaker 1: I am chatting away, I'm walking past the college and
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  Speaker 1: this bus, like a proper coach, like a full bus,
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  Speaker 1: right pulls up and it sort of honks at me,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, not me, no worries, buddy, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm walking past the college. I'm walking past the college.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've got pink hair, I'm in a summer dress,
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  Speaker 1: like maybe they think I'm a student, like from behind
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  Speaker 1: and and anyway, I keep walking, still on the phone
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  Speaker 1: to my mum, and as I'm walking, the bus comes
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  Speaker 1: over again. It pulls over right, doors open, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, okay, I better speak to him, and I
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  Speaker 1: pull the earbuds out and the driver is just like, Hi,
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  Speaker 1: I see you every day. To want to say like,
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  Speaker 1: I watch your stuff, I love your I love your content.
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  Speaker 1: Who's doing what now today? And I was like, thanks, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: because that my Mom's just like laughing on the other
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  Speaker 1: end of the phone. It's the first time that a
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  Speaker 1: you know, like proper transport vehicle, like something that is
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  Speaker 1: designed to transport many people, like you know, like a
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  Speaker 1: football team, has physically pulled over on a main road
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  Speaker 1: to like talk to me like that is that was wild?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing, Thank you very much. I'm very
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  Speaker 1: very overwhelmed. But I was like, wow, that's something, and
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  Speaker 1: Mom's like, your famous, You've made it. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: that was a wonderful start to the day. And ohso
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to see if somebody who says they
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  Speaker 1: listen to the podcast actually does. A certain co owner
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  Speaker 1: of a particular coffee bar, Hi, how are you? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to dedicate this episode to you. Good luck,
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  Speaker 1: sir if that is your real name, So yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: would be really funny. But yeah, I'm headed to the
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  Speaker 1: States and Canada head there soon. And if you have
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  Speaker 1: not bought tickets to see me, buy your tickets to
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  Speaker 1: see me, because I am a delight, which you might
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  Speaker 1: not get if you see me on the internet, I
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  Speaker 1: oh causing commotions. I am causing commotions. I made a
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  Speaker 1: comment because I posted like a video of me buying flowers.
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  Speaker 1: I was buying flowers myself because no one else is
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  Speaker 1: buying them for me. Now I'm single. And then the
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  Speaker 1: amount of like people my dms were just like you're single? What?
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  Speaker 1: And so there I am on the like threads and
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  Speaker 1: I post, you know, like men and my dms like
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  Speaker 1: asking why I'm single? You know, I have standards and
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  Speaker 1: also I am insufferable. I thought that was pretty funny, right,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was really funny, and loads of women
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  Speaker 1: also found it funny, and you know, there was just
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  Speaker 1: like sharing and caring and whatnot. But what in the
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  Speaker 1: actual because I had some fellas who are just like
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  Speaker 1: good for you, So few women can actually like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: willing to state that they're insufferable and like constantly stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, and it's like, just admit you don't like women, Steven,
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  Speaker 1: Like what the amount of fellas that were just so
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  Speaker 1: shitty about it, like it was well dodgy. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Katie, quite your
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  Speaker 1: Jebbel jabbel in fact me, in fact you. I well,
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  Speaker 1: but first we've got to get our source on. Our
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  Speaker 1: sources are Modern History of Bread twentieth century UK by
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  Speaker 1: the Federation of Baker's Happy eighty fifth Birthday, Sliced Bread
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  Speaker 1: by the Grand River Historical Society Museum that was in
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, Liberty Best Things in Sliced Bread by Belburton,
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  Speaker 1: Sliced Bread Put Back on Sale, Housewive Thumbs Safe Again
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  Speaker 1: by The New York Times, Hottau Roader, Hard Luck Hawkeye
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  Speaker 1: by Kerry Jayburne. And of course we have our favorites
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  Speaker 1: History dot com and biography dot Com. I use it
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  Speaker 1: incomfortably good. Then let's begin. So I am fairly certain.
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  Speaker 1: I am fairly certain that most, if not all, of
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  Speaker 1: the people currently listening to me bump my gums. Right,
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  Speaker 1: we're listening to this podcast have heard or used the
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  Speaker 1: phrase the greatest thing since sliced bread, the best thing
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  Speaker 1: since sliced bread. What was the great thing before slice bread?
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  Speaker 1: I hear you ask, I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll have to have a vote, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: slice bread the greatest thing since slice bread. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we used to say, actually, that Berry White was the
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  Speaker 1: greatest thing before slice bread, because she predates it, as
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  Speaker 1: does I'm fairly certain Dick van Dyke. And again I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming that you know who Dick Vandyke is. If you
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  Speaker 1: do not, you need an education, you me and some diagnosis. Mulda, right,
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  Speaker 1: if you've seen Mary Poppins, you know who Dick van
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  Speaker 1: Dyke is. And if you don't know who that is,
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  Speaker 1: it's not my drag persona. No, if only it does
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  Speaker 1: sound like the name of an adult performer, like a
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  Speaker 1: very specific type of adult performer. But no, that is
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  Speaker 1: his name. And we love and respect Dick van Dijke,
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  Speaker 1: just like we loved unrespected Betty White. You know, just
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  Speaker 1: peas in a pod wonderful. And I know you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: me be nice about a man, especially a white haired man. Listen, listen,
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  Speaker 1: got me through some really dark days, some diagnosis, murder,
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  Speaker 1: some muddle, she wrote. I think that's probably like things
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  Speaker 1: have not peaked since then for me. But yes, our
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  Speaker 1: story is about the weird, weird history of sliced bread.
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  Speaker 1: I thought let's do something a bit fun for once,
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  Speaker 1: because again, a lot of the stuff I tell you kids,
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  Speaker 1: history by definition, is typically sad or terrible or awful
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  Speaker 1: or on occasion horrible, and so it's probably nice to
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  Speaker 1: like figure this out a little bit. So our story
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  Speaker 1: starts with a man. I know you're shocked, right, A
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  Speaker 1: man named Auto. So Auto he was, of all things,
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  Speaker 1: an optomologist.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So he's born in des Moines, Iowa, on the sixth
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  Speaker 1: of July eighteen eighty. He is born Otto Frederick Rothueder
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  Speaker 1: Rovida roch Vida Rouder. I'm gonna call him Auto for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of this because I feel like I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to insult many cultures by trying to pronounce his surname.
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  Speaker 1: So he's born in des Moines, but he grows up
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  Speaker 1: in Davenport and Iowa, and eventually he goes through education
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  Speaker 1: like many men do in the time period because it's
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  Speaker 1: the h how we're in the guilded? Are we in
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  Speaker 1: the Gilded Age? Yeah, that's sort of I would call
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  Speaker 1: it late Victorian era, but like Queen Victoria, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: rule the US. So, but it is good for a comparison, okay. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he had gone to the Illinois College of Optalmology and
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  Speaker 1: Otology in Chicago, and so he goes there. He studies
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  Speaker 1: and he gets a degree in optics in nineteen hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Now you know my opinions on old timey doctors, like
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  Speaker 1: you know my opinions and old timey doctors because in
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  Speaker 1: the regency you would have to study for what is it,
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  Speaker 1: six years to become a doctor, and then in the
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  Speaker 1: Victorian era it was basically two. It was something like that.
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  Speaker 1: It was like big and then the video our era
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  Speaker 1: was like, it's fine, we can do it quicker, tedda,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, so he gets a degree an optics.
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  Speaker 1: So he is an optom he's an optomologist, but like
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  Speaker 1: many of us who get our degrees, we don't use
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  Speaker 1: them for the specific thing that we got them for.
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  Speaker 1: And he ends up working in jewelry of all things. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so that actually makes it sound like he just kind
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  Speaker 1: of fell into becoming a jeweler, when that's not the case.
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  Speaker 1: He actually had the apprenticeship first. Okay, So what happened
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  Speaker 1: was he had got an apprenticeship for becoming a jeweler,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what you did back in the day. You
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  Speaker 1: learned a skill, you acquired a profession, you know, stonemasonry,
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  Speaker 1: goldsmith's selves smith, blacksmith, all of those kind of artisan
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  Speaker 1: skills that we often poo poo nowadays, because like that's
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  Speaker 1: why so many people cannot grasp the concept of things
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  Speaker 1: like how did they build the pyramids? Because they used physics. Okay, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the most scientifically minded of people, and even
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  Speaker 1: I understand basic physics, like I understand how leverage works. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: if you've been on a seesaw, you understand basic physics.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not it's not rocket science, which
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  Speaker 1: also some it includes physics, but that has never heard
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  Speaker 1: out there, Like there are skills and knowledge that are
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  Speaker 1: lost because people are not being trained in them, because
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  Speaker 1: they're being seen as less than, which does not make
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  Speaker 1: any sense, because it's called a skill for a reason,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And I think a lot of it has
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  Speaker 1: to do with how quickly we want everything to happen,
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  Speaker 1: and because we live in a world of just like
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  Speaker 1: instant gratification, which is how the film Wally ends up
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  Speaker 1: happening for the record, but it's like we want everything
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  Speaker 1: to be so fast that we're not taking the time
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  Speaker 1: to do things. But anyway, I'm going to stop ranting
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  Speaker 1: about this and I'm going to continue with Auto. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So Auto five years after he gets his you know,
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  Speaker 1: optometry degree and then just becomes a jeweler. Anyway, he
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  Speaker 1: marries Carrie S. Johnson in nineteen oh five. They settle
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  Speaker 1: in Saint Joseph, Missouri, and have two children, Margaret and Richard.
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  Speaker 1: So they have Margaret and Richard are their children. So
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  Speaker 1: clearly Otto did not have an opinion with regards to
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  Speaker 1: naming the kids, because neither of those names are even
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  Speaker 1: remotely German, right, because he's he's from a German family,
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  Speaker 1: like are ethnically German. My name is Rode because German
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  Speaker 1: are And yeah, you know he's Auto. His father's Klaus,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, there's gonna be nothing. But yeah, Margaret and
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  Speaker 1: Richald those very normal, very German names. I think Carrie
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  Speaker 1: has had a good saying those in fairness. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: his jewlry business is booming because he has three and
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  Speaker 1: very dry, three jewelry stores in Saint Joseph, Missouri. Clearly
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  Speaker 1: Saint Joseph's, Missouri was a big enough town in which
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  Speaker 1: you have three jewelry stores, you know, so he's got three.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing well up until I think nineteen seventeen, because
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  Speaker 1: he's like doing inventing stuff in the side because he's
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  Speaker 1: there fixing watches, selling necklaces and earrings and the like brooches,
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  Speaker 1: probably because brooches were a thing back then. Bring back
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  Speaker 1: the brooch, That's what I say. I'll love a we broch,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest. That's why people are so obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: like lapel pins and stuff, because we all love a
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  Speaker 1: wee brooch. We just like it in a different font,
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  Speaker 1: it's all I'm saying. So yeah, he's working away and
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  Speaker 1: unsurprisingly a lot of the people in the jewelry store
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  Speaker 1: are women, and he overhears them talking about you know, ugh,
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  Speaker 1: the worst part of my day is slicing bread. Ah,
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  Speaker 1: it's the last thing I want to do. Us lesson
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  Speaker 1: bread is so difficult because you know, they'd bake a
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  Speaker 1: loaf or buy a loaf and then they'd have to
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  Speaker 1: cut it. Now it was. Nowadays we all have more
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  Speaker 1: than enough knives to go round. Knives, knives, knives, one knife,
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  Speaker 1: two knives. Oh my goodness, those elocution lessons well and
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  Speaker 1: not like. I moved house in December the thirtieth of December,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm a completely same person who does things at
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  Speaker 1: reasonable times, and so I moved and realized I didn't
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  Speaker 1: own knives, and so I ended up getting like these
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  Speaker 1: little like pairing knives, like office knives, even just ones.
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  Speaker 1: And then my mum got me just like a basic
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  Speaker 1: knife set. She was like, happy house, here are knives,
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  Speaker 1: which is a very nice gift. I actually really appreciate knives.
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  Speaker 1: So and buys you a really good knife, like you
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  Speaker 1: know that they like really care and support you, like
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  Speaker 1: in all of your of your decisions, whether you're you know,
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  Speaker 1: slicing bread or cutting out a man's heart, but the
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  Speaker 1: point which we all know you use a spoon for,
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  Speaker 1: but that's neither here nor there. It's good that they
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  Speaker 1: support you in your endeavors anyway. So yeah, in this set,
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  Speaker 1: there was like a like a chef's knife, which is
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  Speaker 1: the sort of the triangularly one, right, you know, the one,
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  Speaker 1: the one that you see in all the cuttons, and
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  Speaker 1: a basic carving knife, a bread carving knife, because they're different. Right,
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  Speaker 1: there's one knife and it's got the serrated edge that's
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  Speaker 1: for carving bread. And then you get the one that's
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  Speaker 1: really point here in the end, like the one in
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  Speaker 1: like screen that is for cutting your meat. That's your
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  Speaker 1: meat carbon knife. And then you get one that's like
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  Speaker 1: that bit smaller, which is your bone and knife, and
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  Speaker 1: you get one that that's smaller than that still but
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  Speaker 1: it's more flexible, which is your fish knife. I was
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  Speaker 1: trained many years ago with my knives, and I used
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  Speaker 1: to carry them, and they're own little satchel. It was wonderful,
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  Speaker 1: it was so lovely. But I do have one of
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  Speaker 1: those little but oh goodness, the ones that look will
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  Speaker 1: be rectangles that you see for chopid things like a gaeteine,
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  Speaker 1: but like as a knife. I've got one of them
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  Speaker 1: still back in my mom's house. I think I gotta
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  Speaker 1: get some of my knives back. But yeah, there were
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  Speaker 1: knives for cutting bread, Like there was a that serrated
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  Speaker 1: one with a weak curvy bit in the end, like
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  Speaker 1: that is that is your bread slicing knife. And here's
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  Speaker 1: the thing about that. For the most part, you get
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  Speaker 1: a really nice slice of bread, although sometimes you do
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  Speaker 1: cut it a wee bit too chunky, like sometimes you're
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  Speaker 1: cutting bread like if your knife isn't sharp enough, like
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  Speaker 1: you are fighting with it, because your knife should be
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  Speaker 1: doing the work for you as you're slicing through the bread,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm actually doing sawing motions not that you can
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  Speaker 1: see me, but that is what I'm doing. I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: acting out in the act of slicing the bread. And
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  Speaker 1: so it does that and by the time you get
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  Speaker 1: to the bottom sometimes is you've cut it won k
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  Speaker 1: and it's become really chunky at the bottom, like a window,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But yes, that is its
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  Speaker 1: own issue. Like I'm just rounded about knives for like
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  Speaker 1: five minutes. I'm so sorry, except I'm not so. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you have these special knives for cutting bread. But again,
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  Speaker 1: depending on the bread and depending on if you've been
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  Speaker 1: sharpening your knives or not, slicing bread can be a
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  Speaker 1: wee bit of a hassle in fairness. And so the
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  Speaker 1: story goes is he heard people just complaining all the
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  Speaker 1: time about having to slice bread themselves, and like how
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  Speaker 1: much trouble it was and how you know, they were
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  Speaker 1: like dropping knives and not cutting things properly and just
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  Speaker 1: you know, just chaos, danger will Robinson and it would
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  Speaker 1: just continue on, you know, And he was like, I
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  Speaker 1: am gonna come up with a solution to that problem.
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  Speaker 1: And so he started having dreams, and he dreamed of
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  Speaker 1: a device that could manually slice the bread for you
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  Speaker 1: and save those tiny delicate traadwive fingers, I mean house
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  Speaker 1: with fingers. And so he started working on it in
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  Speaker 1: by nineteen twelve he had a prototype. He had it together.
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  Speaker 1: So he has this prototype, he builds an automatic like
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  Speaker 1: bread slicing machine, Like that's what he's what. It's almost
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  Speaker 1: an automatic bread slicing machine. And he's thinking like what
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  Speaker 1: exactly is a slice? And so he has like a
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  Speaker 1: survey because he wants to find, you know, what is
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  Speaker 1: the general consensus as to what a slice of bread is? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what is a slave all? What's a slice?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What is it? You know? What's too thin? What's too thick?
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  Speaker 1: And he does the survey and it just starts asking people,
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  Speaker 1: I say asking people. He does it in an official manner,
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  Speaker 1: so he's not like just like handing it out like
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  Speaker 1: in his like jewelry stores. No, he is actually like
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  Speaker 1: getting it published in newspapers, like not only in Missouri,
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  Speaker 1: but like all over the United States. And then what
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  Speaker 1: a couple of months he had thirty thousand responses and
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  Speaker 1: they were like this is what I deem too thick
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  Speaker 1: a slice. I would consider this a slab of bread.
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  Speaker 1: And so he was able to like use this data
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  Speaker 1: to sort of ascertain what exactly the appropriate slice of
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  Speaker 1: sliced bread would be. And so all of these housewives
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  Speaker 1: because it was women who responded obviously, because they're the
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  Speaker 1: ones slice in the bread and they are like, I
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  Speaker 1: want a slice of bread it's neither too thick not
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  Speaker 1: to thin, and he's like, I got you. And he
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  Speaker 1: had to, like baby bears Porridge, it like found the
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  Speaker 1: slice that was just right. And by nineteen sixteen, so
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  Speaker 1: four years after his initial sort of prototype, he decides
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  Speaker 1: to just sell up all three jewelry stores and like
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  Speaker 1: Saint Joseph's Missouri, and he buys a warehouse instead. So
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  Speaker 1: he's got his factory, he's got his plans, his blueprints,
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  Speaker 1: all of it, and he is making his bread slicing
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  Speaker 1: machine and he is almost there and then a fire
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  Speaker 1: breaks out in his factory, like just one year later,
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  Speaker 1: So nineteen sixteen, he sells everything up, he gets his warehouse,
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  Speaker 1: starts a factory, nineteen seventeen fire, and it's not just
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  Speaker 1: the prototype that has destroyed, it's everything. It's his blueprints,
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  Speaker 1: it's his plans, it's his notes, all of it just
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  Speaker 1: up in smoke. But otto is undetered. Does he give up,
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  Speaker 1: Does he go back to selling pearl necklaces and fixing
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  Speaker 1: watch batteries, No he doesn't. He says, fuck this for
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  Speaker 1: a game of soldiers, and he gets right back on
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  Speaker 1: that horse. The fire had pushed Otto's work back by
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  Speaker 1: a decade, but he is completely undeterred. He does have
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  Speaker 1: to acquire, you know, funding, which is probably what takes
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  Speaker 1: up more of the time, but he gets right back
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  Speaker 1: at it. They said he was daftable this castle on
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  Speaker 1: the swamp, but he built it all the same and
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  Speaker 1: by nineteen twenty eight, Otto Frederick Rathina he had a
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: fully functioning bread slicing machine, not you know, a concept,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: not an idea, not a prototype, but an actual working
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: bread slicing machine. And it not only sliced the bread,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: but it wrapped it as well. Right, So here's a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: fun fact for you. The original saying wasn't the greatest
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: thing since sliced bread. It used to be the greatest thing.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Slins wrapped bread, right, so many years ago typically produce
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: everything from like sliced bread to pork chops would be
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: wrapped in a waxed paper because it would keep it fresh,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and they still use it today for like sealing jams
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and jellies and stuff. But yeah, waxed paper is it's amazing,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it's reusable, it's fabulous, and so that's what they used
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to use. So auto, he's got this fully functioning bread
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: slicing slash wrapping machine. What is he to do? He
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: wants to sell it, obviously, he wants to sell it,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and he does. He sells it to Frank Bench, a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: guy who actually knows him personally, right.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Or to make sure to apply for his hatence because
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: he has towike protect it. And so he sells his
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: very first bread slicing slash wrapping machine to baker and friend,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Frank Bench, and he installs it in the chill Coath
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Baking Company and so he's there, he's gone in. It's
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight and the very first love of slice
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: bread was sold commercially on the seventh of July nineteen
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: twenty eight.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And it was called sliced Clean made Bread, Sliced clean
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: made Bread that's clean k l A A N. Because reasons.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure there were any reasons. Why spell
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it incorrectly? I don't I don't know, I don't know.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Are they inventing a pun is a pun, I don't
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: know what it is when you just spell things wrong. Anyway,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: The best part is about the sliced bread is that
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: initially people weren't like that into it. Like people were
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: not like wow, sliced bread wrapped bread because it wasn't
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: really uniform. Like they thought the slices looked messy, thought
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: it was sloppy, and they just like weren't into that,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: like they thought they were ikey. Like that is that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is the whole issue. Like they didn't want to buy
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the sliced bread the thing that was solving the problem.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: They were like, ah, I get that it does the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: thing that I didn't want to do, but it's kind
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of eky, you know. Like that was that was the vibe. Now,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in order to combat this, like so people are like
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the bread looks messy, auto, he makes pins like special
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: pins that are like this sort of shaped like the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: litter u and they would like hold the loaf together
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: so that when you were like looking at it, it
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: looked like oh, neat and uniform and everything. But yeah, yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: pins pins for the bread like sloppiness and wheeled shapes
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: aside slice bread because bread was baked fresh like during
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: these years, like before all the additives and preservatives and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: everything else went into them, it would go stale. So
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: like you were supposed to have your bread fresh like
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: every day every other day, like that was like the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: idea of it. And if it's sliced and has more
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: surface area because of the slices, it's more likely to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: go stale quicker, and so like that was ane. Like
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: nowadays there's so many preservatives and addratives and bread like
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they do last, which is why, which is why, Like
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: some countries have so many like like sugars and things
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in their breads that they're technically not classed as breads anyway.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: So subway actually in Ireland cannot be classed as bread.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: The bread and subway like you can call it like
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: hearty Italian or whatever, but you cannot call it hearty
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Italian bread because the sugar content and it is so
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: high that it is deemed cake like. That's that's the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: situation with subway here. But yes, the bread would go
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: off quicker, and that was like disconcerting. On top of that,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: people don't like change like. People as a general rule
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: do not like change like, and there's resistance to things
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: in life, even if they are for the betterment, like
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: forgiving student loans. You know how some people don't want
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to forgive student loans because they had to pay them themselves. Yeah, like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: how ridiculous is that I paid money? So I don't
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: feel like anyone else should be able to benefit? Okay, cool, buddy, cool.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: So here's something called empathy you might want to learn about.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: But people were so weirded out by slice bread that
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they didn't know how to deal with it. And it
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: used to come with instructions. It was a three step instruction.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Let's see if I can figure out this. Okay, number one,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I would wrap it at one end number two, pull
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: out pin number three, remove as many slices as desired,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: because that's that's what they needed to do. I guess
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: why as many slow as desired? Was that just to
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: kind of as a promotional bit or people just like
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I can only take one slice at a time. Perhaps, hmmm, interesting,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that's a question. Maybe dig Van Dick knows the answer, everybody,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: let's ask dig Van Dick. Here's the thing, though, they
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: probably should have had a fourth step because you have
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: to remove the pin, and no way aless to tell
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you have to put the pin back in, because that's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what's holding this loaf together. Right now, people are already
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: going out with a limb trying this slice bread situation,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and you're telling them they have to like do the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: extra work of this, like pin work, like buddy, no,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: So Auto he receives this feedback and he decides he's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: gonna like make this better, and so he ends up
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: like getting rid of the pin and has the machine
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: just like wrap and slice the bread properly, which then
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: stopped them looking so sloppy, I guess, because they were
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: just like neatly wrapped in this paper. And this clearly
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: works because over the next five years, more people are
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: eating bread than ever before, like not just sliced bread,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: but like all bread, Like they're really getting into this
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: whole big bready carb situation. And Otto he is selling
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: bread slicing machines all over the United States, like all
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: over the country, and engaged to the point that so
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: many bakeries have them, like eighty percent of all the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: bread produced in the entire US, like by nineteen thirty three.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: By nineteen thirty three, eighty percent of all bread produced
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: in the US with sliced bread So the bread toaster,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: like the pop up bread toaster that you know, the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: little toaster that could it is invented in nineteen twenty
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: six by Charles Streit. And so because of the popularity
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: of sliced bread like toaster, sales were going up. And
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: then in nineteen thirty the Continental Baking Company creates Wonderbread
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like that's its sliced bread, and so all of these
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: other big companies they start following suit. Yeah, eighty percent
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of the bread is sliced bread. So bakeries are selling
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: more loaves of sliced bread than unsliced bread. And that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: same year, Otto Frederick Loveda he sold his patent rights
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to the micro West Coat Company of Bittendorf, Iowa. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: then then he joins the company, becomes vice president and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: sales manager of the Raw Vida Bakery Machine division. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: so everything is going well for the next ten years.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And then on the eighteenth of January nineteen forty three,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: pre sliced bread was banned. And if you were thinking
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: who would do such a dastardly indeed, who would just
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: ban blanket ban pre slice bread, Well, I'm glad you asked,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: because I'll tell you so Claude Raymond wickered. He was
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the head of the Warfoods Administration and also the Secretary
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of Agriculture. He hated pre slice bread. He was one
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of these people who did not like change, and for
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what fifteen years, he was watching sliced bread get so
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: popular and he was aghast. Let me tell you, he
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: was enraged. He absolutely fucking despised pre slice bread. And
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: so so there's this whole theory that the reason that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: he absolutely despises slice bread is because it's a waste
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and he can't have food waste because again he is,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know, on the Warford's Administration, which exists primarily to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: ensure that there's enough food to not only feed the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: civilian population of the US, but also feed the troops abroad.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Now they are, again, like my mother, really trying to
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: prevent food waste. Mommum heates it when you west food.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: She does, you know, absolutely despises it. She also gets
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: mad when I talk about her on the podcast. But
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: she'd have to listen to this episode to know. So
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out the fuck word history shal mother,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: are you listening to the fuck word History show? So yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: So Claude Raymond wickled. He says that, you know, a
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: slice bread people like it too much. People like it
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: too much, and they can have as much as they want,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and it's too easy for them to eat as much
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: as they want. So banning the sliced loaf makes it,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: you know, like more inconvenient, but also means that people
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: should eat less because it's better didn't have to size
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: it themselves, and so it takes longer, you know, is
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: if some of us haven't just like torn open like
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: a loaf of bread and just scooped out that gooey,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: say gooey, the fluffy, soft, pillowy bread inside and just
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: stuffed it down our gullets like ravenous little raccoons. Oh yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: good times, good times. But I feel sorry for all
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: those like bakers who make like lovely artisan bread and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: then we just scoop the insides out and fill it
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: with things like mac and cheese, which, by the way,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is macaroni. Okay, do not tell me it is mac
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and cheese if it does not include macaroni pasta. Okay,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: don't show me Penny, don't show me tag latelly, do
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: not show me mesicanate, that is, don't do not do
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that to me, because you are wrong. Okay, stop, it's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: macaroni and it is the purpose of it. Otherwise it's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: not mac anyway, unless you are showing me Macaulay Culkin
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: doing something cheesey or covered in cheese, then we cannot
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: love it, okay. Or if Macaulay Culkin was there with
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: his partner Burnda Song, and burnd A Song was dressed
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: as cheese, then it could be mac and cheese. Okay,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: there are obviously options, but do not show me pasted
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: up that is not macaroni and tell me that it's macaroni,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: because no, it is a very very like molehll that
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I am willing to die on. But yes, this is
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the mohill I'm willing to die on. But yes, this dude, claude,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: fucking claude. He said that local bakeries could not sell
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: their unsliced bread until it was twelve hours old. Like
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that's a weird, a weird suggestion. No fresh bread. The
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: bread must be twelve hours old. It can't be sliced
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and it has to be old bread. That's a decision,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like get your day old bread. Let's get your bread
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that is several hours old. And not fresh, not delicious,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: not warm out of the oven with that gorgeous smell
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that just wofs through the air. No no, no, no, no,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: no no no no, no, no, no, no stale bread
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: for you, sir. Stale Now. Apparently, apparently like one of
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the reasons that this sort of weird Drayconian idea came
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: about was because one they wanted to save on wax
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: paper because they needed to ration wax paper for reasons,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: but also because flour had like gone up in price,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: so there was a ten percent increase in flower off
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, And so Claude wickered he had put
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: in these weird, ah, these weird sort of roles and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: regulations regarding like all of these companies and bakeries and whatnot.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And it does not do how many favors I don't
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Was he trying to protect or save wax paper? Was
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: he trying to, you know, work on the whole flower scenario.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Either way, people were not happy at this whole big
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: bread ban.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: And on the twenty sixth of January. On twenty sixth
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: of January, se Forester from Fairfield, Connecticut wrote a letter
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to the Times. The New York Times speaking on behalf
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: of all the country's housewives, I should like to let
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: you know how important slice bread is to the morale
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: and sickness of a household being forced to hand cut
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: more than thirty slices of bread every day for her family.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: This is a waste of American time and energy, and
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: it's a waste of money. Because he says, like a
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: good bread wife, no, a good bread knife wife, A
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: good bread knife is hard to find lit alone a
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: ford during the war.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Basically, all these women are really mad because they're having
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to like find a good serrated knife. Like nobody has
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a good serrated knife anymore. Like I honestly don't remember
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: anyone having a good serrated knife. Like in the nineties,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: like people just stopped having good knives, and then cookery
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: shows became like really big, and next thing, you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: everyone actually has decent knives now, you know, so like
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this band because it was really really quick. Actually, so
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: there's a massive band. It's really fast. And again the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: whole knives situation, like women are just like struggling, and
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: so they go out and go to hardware stores to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: try and find like decent knives, and it's like it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: like during COVID when people freaked out and just like
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: bulk bought all of the toilet paper. It's like that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: but with knives. So like loads of people like were
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: taken by surprise. Who wasn't though, where like restaurants, railroaded,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: dining cars and hotels, they had a sixty day grace
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: period to prepare, and so any bakery that was like
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: continuing to sell sliced bread got like really massive fines
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: and they were warned that the government was ready to
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: take stern measures if they had to. And oh, so,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: let me tell you about a meal. Think. So he
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: was a member of the New York City Baker's Advisory Committee,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and he was also a baker, and he really really
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: sort of pushed for like the bread slice ban, the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: sliced bread ban, the banning of bread, the pitty bread band. No, no,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that's not right. He was just really like going hell
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: for leather on this, and so he was like really
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: pushing for it. He was like a big advocator for it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: And then you know, one year after the ban, he
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: is in court. And the reason he's in court because
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: he was in fact slicing bread. eMule Think had really
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: pushed the government to enforce these regulations in to really
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: like come down hard on bakeries that were selling sliced bread. Well,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: his bakery was in fact slicing bread and selling it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And he gets found one thousand dollars, which in today's
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: money is about almost fifteen thousand dollars today because like
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I you think he really pushed the regulation. He really
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: wanted to be seen as somebody who was upholding the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: government side, because he wanted to be the only person
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: like secretly selling sliced bread. Imagine like you're going to prison.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I murdered someone, you know, I you know, I'm you know,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: a gang leader. What did you do a sliced bread?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: That dangerous bread market, you know, not like the other
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: market to get where you get your fish and your
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: oysteris and your mac and cheese that's covered in so
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: many vegetables that we named it rainbow or unicorn mac
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: and cheese. No no, no, no, no, no no no. This was
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like a black market for bread, black market bread. Who
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: come and gets your black market bread. Unsurprisingly, because of
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you know, the big bread baton, bakeries were losing money.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: People were not spending money on bread, and you know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: their earnings. They were dropping what like five ten percent,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: like they were going down. It only takes three months, though,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: because Email had violated the law, it takes a long
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: time for him to actually get to court. But that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: being said, three months after the ban was enacted, it
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: was lifted. So in March nineteen forty three, the ban
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: was lifted. A statement was made by the War Production Board,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and basically, you know, they admitted the fact that this
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: was a bad idea. We should not have done this.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And there's enough wax paper to go around, there's enough
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: flower have at it words. Yeah, So when the ban
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: is lifted, the New York Times publish this article, slice
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: bread put back on sale, halves Thumb's safe again. Yeah,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I just realized that it's the eighth of March. The
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: eighth of March nineteen forty three is when sliced bread
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: was unbanned, entered National Women's Day was when bread was unbanned,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: which is which honestly, I have too many get into
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the kitchen and make me a sandwich chokes to do
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: right now. But yes, so finally, finally bread was no.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Longer band bound bamned.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's enough wats paper for everyone.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: But I do love it that, like in this original
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: letter that treats it like the issue was like how
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: many slices of bread would need to be cut really quickly,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: So if somebody wanted to toast, or if somebody wanted sandwiches,
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: if you've got five people to feed, that's at least
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: ten slices of bread, you've got a cut and you
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: have to try and cut them uniform because like, there's
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: nothing worse than having a sandwich when like half of
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: it's really drunky and half of it's not. That being said,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: there used to be an advert for Ntella.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, and it would have like
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: this sliced bread, like definitely knife sliced, not like pliced,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: machine sliced, and it would have.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: This massive spread nutella on it, and.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: It would be like kids afternoon snack, and God, sometimes.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: All I wanted to do was come home and eat
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: a slice of like really nice bread with nutella on it.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: And I think I'm gonna do that when I come
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: back from America. I think I'm gonna do that because
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: it sounds like a really good time. But yes, can't
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: think of any weird bread facts because I will actually really.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Like making bread.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I make a damn thing for Catchy about josies for myself.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: If I've made for CATCHI in a long time, because
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: I don't have anyone to cook for, I'm really bad
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: for being.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Like girl dinner, Girl dinner.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: If I have to cook for myself. So it's always
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: better to have someone around I can feed, so I
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: actually cook better. It's like my friend came up, wasn't
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: even Galway, and I ended up making fund toads. It's
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: like cheer rag. I knew she was going to be late,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: and I knew she wouldn't have time to eat, so
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I just like put together with yourcoutary board that I'd
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: cut cheese into the shape of love carts and butterflies.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yes I did, Okay, did I have an array of
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you know, carbohydrate carbohydrating nests, snacks, pretzel thins, cheesy shortbread
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: with seeds on it, crackers, breads. Then I had hikuda.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: We had cheeses and goats cheese. I had lad.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: I had cheddar and gouda and smoked cheese. It'd some
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: port Salou.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I love me some port Salou. I'd goat cheese on there.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I had ham. I made roses out of like salami
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and cheweets, so like there were options. Oh, I had parmaham,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: not prosutto. Actually that was all like folded like a fan.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: It was very pretty right.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: It was lovely, So I'm made of that.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: And the next day I made like French toast and
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: bacon and she was like, it's French coast and I
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: was like, yes, French toast. Of course, it's French toast.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I have bread and eggs, you're getting French toes. I
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: actually had double cream as.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Well, so I need like really rich.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And then I caramelized sort of each side of the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: French toast with brown sugar.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: It was really nice.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: But I need people around me to cook for so
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I actually cook because I can look really well. But
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I'm I think I'm really self involved in as such,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I need to show up.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: But anyway and over, oh, I'm getting a bit I'm
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: getting a bit chatty in these episodes. An fine nowadays.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: There that ends the story of the history of sliced bread,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: because bread.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Has existed in like many forms for like thousands of
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: years and yeah, we only like started slicing it recently.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: But yeah, what's your favorite type of bread. Tell me,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I want to know your favorite type of bread. Like
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: thus ends our story rate and review five stars. Tell
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: me your favorite type of bread. Okay, I want to
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: know your favorite bread. I do, actually, I do want
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: to know your favorite bread. No funny games, so I'll
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: start asking about potatoes. But I guess that is recommendation time. Yes, okay,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: so god, I'm so millennial coded, which is probably because
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: I'm a millennial. But I'm for watching. I'm in a
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: mid right now, so I want everyone to watch. Should watch?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Oh no, yes, no, yes, no, oh no, there's a
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: movie I know.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: I think I said this in the very first episode
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I ever recorded, which, by the way, don't listen to that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: It's terrible. I am going to re record them at
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: some point, but bloody awful. So I have this episode.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: It's all in like the Miss World's nineteen seventy Miss
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: World like disaster. And I recommend Drop Dead Gorgeous, which.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Is a movie about Berry Queen's and you can't get
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: it on any streaming services anymore, so go out and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: buy DVD.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, find a VHS. I don't care like thirston Dunst.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: It's the late nineties or early two thousands, Kirsten Dunst
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: is like, fabulous, you need to see what she's in. Also,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: anyone who's watching the Oscars recently, there was a thing like, oh,
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: members of the Academy have to watch all the all
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the films, which is interesting because when Kristen Dunst was interviewed,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: like at the last Oscars, they were like, what movies
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: did she see? And She's like, I'm part of the Academy.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I've seen all of.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Them, okay, And I love that, and I love that
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: everyone now has to follow typically Kristen example, Okay, drop
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Dead Gorgeous is a cult comedy classic. And also if
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: any friends of mine would like to do a live
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: reading of Drop Dead Gorgeous and we can do it
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: for charity, I don't care.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Let's just do it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Let's do it, guys. Okay, I think it'd be fun.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: On let's do it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Let's go us do it.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: I have to give you other recommendations now for listening.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I've been listening too a lot of the soundtrack to
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Grease too, specifically. I don't know why, but I'm in
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: the mood for it, and I think everyone deserves a
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: little bit of light in their life for reading. Oh,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: that's going to be an interesting one.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: You know what ballocks that I'm going to recommend my
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: old time friend, you're my friend, Melanie. Stuck it up,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: my old time friend, Melanie Murphy her book Glass Houses.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Read it, get it, you deserve it. Yeah. She recently
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: discovered that her book had been like basically scraped for
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: AI and it needs to say she'd be annoyed. I
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: would be annoyed too if my book was out yet.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: But yes, read her book. Order from your library, buy
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: it from an independent bookstore. Have fun read the book. Okay.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'd be a bit more manic this episode,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: but I think we'll get through it together. Okay, adios
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: au revoir my friends. The next episode you get from me,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I will be in the US. Okay, have a good one. Bye.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Bye Bye.