Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / As a young man he went on a deadly crime spree with his mother
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- 0:00Speaker 1: All right, ready to dive deep into a true crime story.
- 0:03Speaker 2: I'm ready when you are perfect.
- 0:06Speaker 1: This one's both captivating and chilling. The story of Santae
- 0:10and Kenneth Chimes.
- 0:12Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Times is. That's a wild one.
- 0:15Speaker 1: It really is. And we've got some incredible sources for
- 0:18this deep dive, a recent interview with Kenneth himself, court
- 0:22documents articles.
- 0:23Speaker 2: Wow, so we're going all in.
- 0:24Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, We're going to unravel the truth behind their
- 0:27crimes and try to understand what drove.
- 0:29Speaker 2: Them, especially that complicated relationship between.
- 0:32Speaker 1: Mother and son exactly. You know what's really interesting is
- 0:35how their story starts. It's not with a dramatic chase
- 0:38or anything. Oh how so, well, it starts with something
- 0:41totally mundane. Renting a room.
- 0:43Speaker 2: Hmmm, doesn't sound too exciting yet.
- 0:45Speaker 1: Oh just wait. Picture that you're a wealthy socialite Irene Silverman, Okay,
- 0:50I'm picturing it, and you're living in a beautiful New
- 0:52York City townhouse.
- 0:54Speaker 2: Nice.
- 0:54Speaker 1: We decided to rent out some rooms just to have
- 0:56a bit of company. Right, So in walks this guy, Manny.
- 1:00Speaker 2: Garran, Manny garn okay, and.
- 1:03Speaker 1: He's accompanied by an older woman. Turns out Manny is
- 1:07actually Kenneth crimes.
- 1:09Speaker 2: Ah, I see where this is gone, and the.
- 1:11Speaker 1: Older woman his mother sante, both living under aliases, already
- 1:16wanted for a string of.
- 1:16Speaker 2: Crimes, hiding in plain sight classes exactly.
- 1:19Speaker 1: But let's fast forward a bit to July nineteen ninety eight. Okay,
- 1:24Silverman disappears. Her friends get worried haven't heard from her. Naturally,
- 1:30they report her missing. Of course, police start investigating, and
- 1:33right away red flags pop up. Manny garn gone vanished
- 1:39and his mother too.
- 1:40Speaker 2: But they don't stay missing for long, do they.
- 1:42Speaker 1: Nope, they're caught that same day.
- 1:44Speaker 2: For Silverman's disappearance.
- 1:46Speaker 1: Actually no, they're arrested for something completely unrelateable. Oh really,
- 1:49what for bouncing a check for a Lincoln town car.
- 1:52Speaker 2: Wow? Talk about a weird turn of events.
- 1:54Speaker 1: I know, right, But here's where it gets even wilder.
- 1:57The police search the car and find all this incriminating evidence, guns, wigs,
- 2:03even a date rape drug.
- 2:04Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is escalating quickly.
- 2:06Speaker 1: And the most danning piece they find personal items belonging
- 2:09to Irene Silverman, like her keys, a forged ded to
- 2:13her townhouse.
- 2:14Speaker 2: So their plan was to take over her assets.
- 2:17Speaker 1: Seems that way. The level of premeditation is just chilling. Absolutely,
- 2:22But at this point the police still don't know who
- 2:24they've actually caught, right, They have no idea about the kimes.
- 2:28Speaker 2: Is past, a past full of crime, as I recall,
- 2:31you got it.
- 2:32Speaker 1: As the investigation unfolds, they uncover this trail of crimes
- 2:35linked to the kimes Is going back years before Silverman, Like,
- 2:39what kind of crimes Olsen insurance Frouda, Nevada.
- 2:42Speaker 2: That's pretty serious.
- 2:43Speaker 1: Then there's a murder of a businessman in Los Angeles.
- 2:46His body was found dumped near lax Oh.
- 2:48Speaker 2: Wow.
- 2:49Speaker 1: They were even suspected in the disappearance of a banker
- 2:51in the Bahamas last scene having dinner with you guessed
- 2:55it the kimes Is.
- 2:56Speaker 2: So this is a pattern of escalating offenses.
- 2:59Speaker 1: It sure looks like it all culminating in Silverman's disappearance.
- 3:03Speaker 2: And at the center of it all the mastermind Santi Kai.
- 3:06Speaker 1: Right. She's described as this charismatic, almost magnetic.
- 3:09Speaker 2: But also ruthless and manipulative.
- 3:11Speaker 1: Right. Absolutely. Even her own son from her first marriage,
- 3:14Kent Walker, He talked about how she could make anyone
- 3:17feel like they were the most important person in the room,
- 3:20like she.
- 3:20Speaker 3: Had the superpower to charm and manipulate exactly.
- 3:25Speaker 1: But under that charm was this ruthlessness that is truly scary. Like.
- 3:30One example that shows this is her history with domestic workers.
- 3:34Speaker 2: That happened there well.
- 3:35Speaker 1: In the mid nineteen eighties, she was accused of bringing
- 3:37women from Central America to work as maids in her mansions.
- 3:42But she didn't just employ them. She basically enslaved them,
- 3:46made them work without pay, terrible conditions. It landed her
- 3:50in prison, but it didn't stop her criminal spirit.
- 3:53Speaker 2: Sounds like it only fueled it.
- 3:55Speaker 1: And you can see that audacity in the televised interview
- 3:57she gave after her arrest first Overman's disappearance.
- 4:01Speaker 2: What does she say?
- 4:02Speaker 1: She denied everything, said she was a victim of a
- 4:04witch hunt, a case of mistaken identity.
- 4:06Speaker 2: Even though the evidence was stacked against her.
- 4:08Speaker 1: Yep, she even shed some tears for the cameras, h
- 4:12trying to play the innocent grandmother.
- 4:14Speaker 2: Wow. Talk about manipulation, but the.
- 4:17Speaker 1: Jury didn't buy it. In May two thousand, both Sante
- 4:21and Kenneth were convicted of Irene Silverman's murder, sentenced to
- 4:25one hundred and twenty years to life.
- 4:27Speaker 2: That sounds like the end of the story.
- 4:28Speaker 1: You'd think, so right, there's more. Oh yeah, there's a twist,
- 4:33a confession that sheds light on their whole criminal partnership.
- 4:36Speaker 2: Can't wait to hear about it.
- 4:37Speaker 1: We'll dive into that right after. Okay, So where were we?
- 4:40Oh yeah, Sante and Kenneth. They're behind bars, convicted of
- 4:44Irene Silverman's murder, right right. But then a few years later,
- 4:48two thousand and four, Kenneth does something totally unexpected.
- 4:52Speaker 2: What's that?
- 4:53Speaker 1: He confesses to another murder, another one, Yeah, the businessman
- 4:57in Los Angeles, the one whose body was found dumped
- 4:59near lax And he implicates his mother too.
- 5:02Speaker 2: Wow, why do he do that? I mean, they are
- 5:04already serving life sentences, That's the thing.
- 5:06Speaker 1: It wasn't about guilt or a sudden change of heart,
- 5:09So why save their lives? Literally, his confession was part
- 5:13of a plea deal to avoid the death penalty for
- 5:17both of them. He confessed to murder to save his
- 5:19mother from execution. It's pretty heavy stuff. And his confession,
- 5:24it didn't just implicate Sante. It gave us all these
- 5:26disturbing details about Silverman's murder too, Like what He described
- 5:30how he tackled her strangled her in her bedroom while
- 5:33Sante she used the TV to mask the sound.
- 5:37Speaker 2: Kenneth even said she told him do it, chilling a
- 5:41glimpse into their partnership in crime. But how did Kenneth
- 5:45end up so entangled in all of this?
- 5:47Speaker 1: We have to go back way back to his childhood.
- 5:51Imagine this family vacations in a motor home, criss crossing
- 5:55the country. Sounds idyllic, right, yeah, kinda, But these weren't vacation.
- 6:00Speaker 2: Oh were they?
- 6:00Speaker 1: Then they were on the run from the FBI. Wow,
- 6:04It's hard to imagine what that must have been like
- 6:06for a kid living with that kind of fear, uncertainty.
- 6:10Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it gets worse. When he was ten, the
- 6:13FBI raided their home arrested his parents right in.
- 6:16Speaker 2: Front of him.
- 6:17Speaker 1: Oh Man, talk about dramatic.
- 6:19Speaker 3: Seriously, you have to wonder how that shaped his view
- 6:21of authority. Seeing law enforcement not as protectors but as a.
- 6:24Speaker 1: Threat definitely planted some seeds of distrust. But things changed
- 6:28for a while. When Santi went to prison in eighty
- 6:31five for well enslaving her maids. What happened to Kennethian
- 6:35He went to live with his father, Kenneth Senior. Was
- 6:37he a good guy by all accounts, Yeah, hard working contractor,
- 6:40decent guy. And during this time Kenneth he actually thrived,
- 6:45even went to YC. Santa Barbara, But then tragedy struck.
- 6:50Speaker 2: What happened?
- 6:51Speaker 1: His dad died suddenly and yours? And this is where
- 6:56Sante's manipulation takes a really dark turn.
- 6:58Speaker 2: What does she do?
- 6:59Speaker 1: She didn't tell Kenneth his dad had died?
- 7:01Speaker 2: What why?
- 7:02Speaker 1: She's busy forging checks, taking money, trying to grab his
- 7:06dad's assets. She even pretended to be Kenneth Senior on
- 7:09the phone, made up excuses for why he couldn't talk.
- 7:12Speaker 2: That's messed up.
- 7:12Speaker 3: She took advantage of her own son's grief for her
- 7:15own gain exactly.
- 7:16Speaker 1: And of course Kenneth eventually finds out the truth. He's devastated, vulnerable, inane.
- 7:22She prays on that tells him she's suicidal, needs his
- 7:25help to find his father's money.
- 7:27Speaker 2: It's like she's grooming him, drawing him deeper into her
- 7:30criminal world, and it works.
- 7:33Speaker 1: Kenneth gets more involved in her schemes. It's a complex picture.
- 7:37Speaker 3: Right, very shaped by a chaotic upbringing. Trauma and ultimately
- 7:42manipulated by his own mother. Makes you wonder how much
- 7:45was his environment, her influence, and how much was his
- 7:48own choice.
- 7:49Speaker 1: Nature versus nurture. Could he have broken free from her?
- 7:54Or was his fate already sealed? It's a tough question,
- 7:57he really is. Yeah, it really is. It makes you think,
- 8:00isn't it about the consequences, the ripple effects of these crimes,
- 8:03How one person's choices can just devastate so many lives.
- 8:08Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it underscores how crucial it is to understand
- 8:11what leads to criminal behavior in the first place. Like
- 8:13in the crimes case, it's such a tangled mix of
- 8:16nature and nurture, isn't it?
- 8:18Speaker 1: Coldly? How much was Kenneth's path predetermined Yeah, by his genes,
- 8:22his childhood, or how much was his own choice even
- 8:25with his mother's manipulation.
- 8:26Speaker 2: Right, it's a puzzle with so many pieces.
- 8:29Speaker 1: Exactly, And we've tried to put those pieces together. Haven't
- 8:32we explored their crimes, their twisted relationship, the lasting impact
- 8:36on their victim?
- 8:37Speaker 2: We have, But the crime story, it's more than just
- 8:39true crime, isn't it?
- 8:40Speaker 1: What do you mean?
- 8:41Speaker 3: It raises all these questions about family, about manipulation, about
- 8:45the possibility of.
- 8:47Speaker 2: I don't know redemption even in such darkness.
- 8:50Speaker 1: That's true, and it makes you think about early intervention.
- 8:53You know, if someone had been there for Kenneth when
- 8:56he was younger, could it have been different.
- 8:58Speaker 3: It's hard to say, but it definitely shows how much
- 9:01we need programs that support kids facing challenges.
- 9:04Speaker 1: Right absolutely, And I think it also shows how important
- 9:07it is to recognize manipulation abuse, which can be so
- 9:12hard to see sometimes.
- 9:13Speaker 3: Yeah, we often think of abuse as physical, but emotional
- 9:17manipulation it can be just as bad, if not worse.
- 9:20Like with Sante, she used her charm, her tactics to
- 9:23control everyone, even her own son.
- 9:26Speaker 1: It's chilling. It reminds you that sometimes the people closest
- 9:29to us they can hurt us the most. So as
- 9:31we wrap up this deep dive into the world of
- 9:34Santi and Kenneth crimes, I keep coming back to one question.
- 9:37Could it have ended differently?
- 9:38Speaker 2: That's what sticks with me too.
- 9:39Speaker 3: Was Kenneth dustin for this or was there a chance,
- 9:42any chance he could have broken free?
- 9:44Speaker 1: It's a tough thought. We can't change what happened, but
- 9:48maybe we can learn from it right. By understanding what
- 9:51leads to these situations, maybe we can prevent them in
- 9:54the future.
- 9:54Speaker 2: Exactly we need to support people, protect to them so
- 9:58these tragedies don't repeat themselves.
- 10:00Speaker 1: I agree. Well, thanks for joining us on this deep
- 10:02dive my pleasure.
- 10:03Speaker 2: It's been a fascinating, albeit disturbing journey, and to.
- 10:07Speaker 1: Our listeners, thanks for being here. Sometimes the most captivating
- 10:11stories are the ones that force us to face the
- 10:14darker side of humanity. Stay curious, but stay safe out there.