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43. Mother Monster: Lilith and her Succubi · Amigos, Afraid!

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Hi guys, before this episode starts we did want to jump in
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and give you a content warning. There is a portion of the
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episode where Jerry reads some casework where there is some
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instances of events that border SA.
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As soon as that comes up I will jump back in.
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I will let you know what to skip in case you don't want to hear
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that. Thank you guys so much for
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listening. Enjoy the rest of the episode.
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You know what was really good? What?
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That Chinese food we just had, it really was the orange chicken
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hit today. It did.
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It was a second highlight of my day.
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I've had a bad day. You've had a bad day.
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A bad day. The day that this is being
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recorded, Thursday, Thursday guys, I I had expelled some
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demons. Good for you.
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It was not, it was not good for the plumbing system of this
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apartment. Complex.
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Oh, oh, I see, I see I see. I.
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Had a terrible day, but you know what?
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My friend Jerry pulled up with some Panda Express and I'm
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feeling loads better. It's in the sauce.
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I think there was the the chef today made it with love, but I
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am so sorry to hear that. I I would like to ask, was this
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one of those like stomach pains where it just lingers or was it
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like sharp, sudden and then really keep?
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It vague so as not to just dis disgust our listeners, but you
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ever just have to wake up at 4:00 in the morning?
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Oh, not to pee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's. That's all you need to.
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Answer the door. Oh my God no.
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If someone's knocking at my door at 4:00 in the morning, y'all
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can wait till at least 730. I'm I'm asleep.
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I'm not. I'm not.
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Getting out of bed, I'm asleep and I'm snoring.
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That's crazy. Unless it's today, then I'm on
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the toilet. Then you can't get to the door
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no matter what, so they have to wait there.
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You. Go.
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I'm occupied. With that being said, we do have
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some fortunes we want to read out because we're manifesting a
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lot of great things and none of it's going to come true if this
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fortune doesn't tell me so. Exactly.
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I don't follow any advice unless it's from a printed little piece
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of paper I found in a cookie. Or or Emmanuel, oh true.
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Or Emmanuel, divine tarot readings.
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Oh my God. Please everyone he is doing
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readings. Honestly great price.
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Remember we had him on a couple episodes back, but reach out to
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him. He did me good and he did me
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good today too. You need it.
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You. I did you.
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Don't look away. I'm looking at you.
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Oh, shit. Get a reading.
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You've been. You've been wanting one.
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OK, Jerry, you can at least blink.
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You're like staring at them. I'm.
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Serious. Yikes.
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Just as serious as his fortune is go.
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OK, my fortune says you are admired for your adventurous
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spirit. Oh my God, tell me, tell me,
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tell me something I don't know. Mr. Don't know, dude.
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Mr. Like, oh, I'm doing this. Oh, I'm gonna go do this.
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Like dude, adventure spirit. Yes, you are.
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Thank you and if you admire me for that, please hit my line.
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Shoot him 10 bucks right now. Thank you.
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Like that's the only way we can prove that.
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That's the only way I can go on my adventures guys, if if you
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send me $10. Fund Brian's adventures.
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Right. What's yours?
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Mine says you will be successful through innovation and
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determination. Friend, we were just talking
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about you being so innovative and having determination.
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Yeah, I'm always so determined and motivated.
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And motivated. So I think that's success that's
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going to lead to my success. I'm so I'm so excited.
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Thank you, Panda Express. There's no licking numbers on
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the back. If we are not sponsored by them
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today, unfortunately, but that'd be sick.
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I'm sure there's a ghost panda somewhere.
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Absolutely. Or haunted.
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Haunted Panda Express location. Yeah, we'll get to the bottom of
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it. That would be cool.
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So this week, guys, I, I don't know what it's what's been in
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the air the last couple weeks where I tell you about my
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psychic powers, but they're getting stronger.
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Yeah, I think they are. I was at work the other day,
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like La La La La La La la. Let me check.
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Did I tell the story? Guys?
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I love yapping to you guys. I don't recall stories I've told
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you or not, but I'll tell you anyway.
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Tell them I was at work and I'm like Oh my God my favorite
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person who calls me to tell me he he's emailed me hasn't called
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me. Yeah, you did.
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You didn't mention this, but no, you did not mention this.
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I mentioned to you personally his background.
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I was complaining about it there.
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Was some background. There was some background.
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So I'm like, let me check on his on his little case, let's see if
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if there is an update. I go on, no update, but 5
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seconds later e-mail about an update.
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Update wasn't about him. That's not the psychic part.
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The psychic part was it'd be crazy if he called me right now
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before the thought has even left my head the phone rings and it's
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him manifestation. I will have to re listen to the
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last episode and make sure that this isn't a repeat because I'm
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having a vivid memory. No, no, no, I talking about
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this, I can confirm you, you spoke about it because it was
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one of those like just things that were happening that were
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like, oh, trigger, you know, things, things where feelings
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were felt. Dang, I have to start
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gatekeeping stories from Jerry again until we're recording.
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But that that was the week before.
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Yeah. Yeah, Yeah.
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The craziest one was this week. I was at work, as I am most
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Monday through Fridays. Yep.
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Yep. Unfortunately, la, la, la, la,
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la. I got to pay those bills.
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OK, My second story. You guys are not getting from
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this week because I've decided I need to move in silence.
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OK, And be successful in silence.
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I love that. Who the heck is calling you at
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9:00 PM? My current endeavour is car
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shopping. I'm pretty sure that's a car.
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Dealer, if they're calling you at 9:00 PM, it's not worth it.
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Don't go back. To why the fuck are they calling
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me at 9:00 PM? OK, car dealers, I'm sorry if
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you are one, but they're sharks. They're absolute, absolute
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sharks. I think they sell your number to
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those scam likely people. That's crazy.
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Well, bad thing for them. I'm a I'm a killer whale.
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Really. Tell me more.
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I'd be eating sharks for fun. Is it true that no whales have
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ever killed a human? Whales.
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What Kind of like did? I'm pretty sure one of the
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species of whales has killed a human.
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Maybe not intentionally, but just by pure size and
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circumstance. Maybe someone has?
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I believe you, Pinocchio, that that's the argument.
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Was Pinocchio a real boy? Fuck.
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That depends on who you ask. Speaking of boys, welcome back
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everyone. Welcome back to the Daily BJ.
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I'm Brian. I'm Jerry, and this is a
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paranormal supernatural podcast through the lens of two little
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Mexican boys. So much Latinos.
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Now that we're men, why did I automatically think SpongeBob?
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Because, as stated many of times over, it is ingrained in our
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DNA. Yeah, it is.
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It is from the you know what? I just understood the bikini
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bottom reference like it's a bikini bottom within the past
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five years. I get it.
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I don't understand it though. I understood it in Spanish.
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Fondo de bikini. That makes me understand it
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less. Maybe I'm not that Latino.
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Shit, maybe we we, we take it back.
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We don't know anything, but that's what this is.
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I do have an update from last week.
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We did discuss the Bermuda Triangle.
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It's a square. No, it's an isosceles.
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An isosceles triangle that's that's actually.
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It's still a triangle though. I don't.
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Know I didn't do the measurements of each the length
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of each side, but I just thought it was real funny that I'm just
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scrolling through like my random news articles and I see one that
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says scientists solve Bermuda mystery after discovering hidden
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structure below the Atlantic waters and it's from the Daily
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Mail. And I'm like hello hidden
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structure Atlantis, are you what's causing the
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disappearances? So then I clicked the link.
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And you got a virus and. Unfortunately, there is no there
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was no Atlantis. It had something to do with the
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volcano. OK.
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Now we could be hiding Atlantis inside.
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This is where conspiracy theories are born.
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I need you to sit on this and then just work it out and then
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post it on a forum somewhere. OK.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure, I can do that.
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And then we'll be full, we'll have a fully prepared episode
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'cause we're, we'd be the experts, we would be the
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experts, 'cause it's our, we'd have very vague statements of
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reports are saying, but we won't mention it.
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It's our story. Nope.
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How's your week? Do you have a good one?
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I did have a good one. So far it's been, it's, it's
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been going, you know, nothing too out of the ordinary.
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People have been decent, genuinely people.
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I've also interacted with no people, so that's pretty great.
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No one's pissing you off on the freeway these.
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Days. No dude, Luckily I haven't.
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I haven't ventured onto the freeway recently, but I think I
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am tomorrow. Fuck.
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Wow. Fuck, how about you?
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I've had a good week. I watched some drag race because
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All Stars is bad. That's right.
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That's right. And then I watched this really
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good documentary about chimpanzees.
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I don't remember what it's called, but it's about chimp
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owners in the United States. It was so good guys, you need to
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watch it. Was it narrated by Morgan
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Freeman? Unfortunately not, but Alan
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Cummings was in it. Hell yeah, I love Alan Cummings.
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He makes no mention of the traitors unfortunately.
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I was hoping he would but there is a scene where he's naked for
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like a PETA commercial. Oh OK, I was going to say like
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it was like just they just casually got footage of Alan
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Cummings naked when they were. Doing his like interview spot.
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Yeah, he was just, he just said I don't need these.
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Interesting. Wow.
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No, I think he did a PITA campaign and that's the whole
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reason why he's involved is because there's a huge PITA
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scandal and this lady who hide the chip got it.
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And can you tell me why the dude from Hunger Games is related to
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all this stuff? PITA.
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I can't confirm and nor deny that PETA Malark is in this
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documentary. OK, OK, find out for yourself.
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Gotcha. You see.
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So go check it out. Go check it out.
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This has been reviews by Brian. Brian, I have a question for
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you. What's up?
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We have a podcast. We have a paranormal
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supernatural podcast. We talk about paranormal,
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supernatural things. What's been haunting you lately
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guys? What haunted me this week is
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something that I discovered last week.
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I had never heard of it before. That's terrifying, but it just.
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I get all my inspiration from random Tiktoks.
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I find my for you page is built brick by brick where it is
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random reality TV no, and then random paranormal and then a
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random thirst traps. It is chef's kiss.
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I mean I love it. It knows what I need when and I
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saw a post about this entity called Lilith who is the mother
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of demons and I had I had to do a little rabbit hole research
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because that name has stuck out but I didn't know that's what
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she was. Interesting.
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And she's a mother who slays. She is a mother who slays and
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we're tell you and we're back. Ladies and gentlemen.
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Have you heard the saying we're all born from a woman?
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Of course, I mean, I haven't heard otherwise.
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Would you believe that's also true of monsters?
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Yeah, it makes sense. And animals.
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And other mammals. While the saying may seem a
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little antiquated because of the ideas of gender, it does pose an
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interesting question. Where do demons come from?
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Who births them? What if I told you that they
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share a mother? And what if I told you she dates
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back to Adam and Eve? They're all related.
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It is a crazy love triangle. Wait, wait, wait.
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And it's OK. OK, So many questions.
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Jerry, sit yourself down because this has been haunting me this
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week and hopefully it haunts you too.
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Let. Me.
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Sit down. I'm sad.
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If you've never heard the name Lilith, you have not known the
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centuries of fear the name carries.
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Lilith is said to stock bedrooms at night, prey on infants and
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threaten women in childbirth. Oh no, she never exists as an
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isolated myth, and she has long been used as a scapegoat for
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fears of infant mortality, sleep paralysis, and just unexplained
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illness. She's existed long before modern
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history. The name itself is thought to
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have been derived from Mesopotamian demons called Lilu.
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The feminine version is Lilitu. Lilu roughly translates to Night
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Monster. Awesome.
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In early Mesopotamian believes, Lilitus were an entire group of
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nights periods associated with disease and I'll omens.
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They were often blamed for things that society couldn't
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control. So who is Lilith and why she
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forever depicted as the source of evil.
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Lilith first appears in writings dating back to ancient summer
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and Babylon. This is where we find references
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to the Lilutu demon. We know these demons threw
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inscriptions on pottery from around that time, which is the
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8th century BC before Christ. 800 years before Christ.
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Remember that. OK, 800 years before.
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Christ. It's understood that the items
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discovered were intended to be protective.
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Depictions of Lilith were found in a variety of artifacts, from
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amulets to incantation bulls. These bulls were used as a
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Talisman meant to ward off evil. People believe that if not
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protected, her spirit would infiltrate the home and seduce
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the man of the house while he slept.
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But even more than that, in broader demon traditions tied to
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Lilith's early forms, she becomes associated with other
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nights periods like the succubite.
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This is part of where later demon classifications start to
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kind of overlap with her history.
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OK. Additionally, it was believed
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that Lilith would torment pregnant women, kidnap their
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babies, and harm older children. History.com and Britannica both
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point out that this association with infant harm is one of the
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main reasons her myth survives so aggressively across cultures
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even older still, Jewish tradition recounts Lilith
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existing since the dawn of creation.
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Wow. She is immortalized in Jewish
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folklore as Adam's first wife, who, according to history.com,
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fled paradise rather than submit to her husband.
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Good. Wait, I didn't even know that
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was a thing. Like so, Adam.
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Yes, I will get into it, but is this not an example of the first
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bad bitch in history? Yeah yeah, yeah.
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Dating back to the creation of man.
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Go off the random scream and I just heard right now.
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Literally yeah, hell yeah, neighbor.
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They agree. They know.
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OK so let's get into the little story of Adam, Eve and Lilith
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the Rubble. No, not only this turned out OK.
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Tell me. The Bible mentions 2 accounts of
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the creation of man. According to Genesis, God
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created all living creatures in his own image, including the
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world's first man and woman. The couple blessed by God were
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directed to be fruitful and multiply.
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He said. I need you guys to bang and
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procreate and fill the entire world of people.
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Does that not mean in this in this interpretation of the
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Bible, that we're all children of incest?
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Why wouldn't we all be related? That's exactly where my mind
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went, friend. Shit, that's what that would
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explain why some people would, really.
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I know. But then in broader terms, like
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really we have so many different kind of races of people.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. To all stem from 1:00.
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For sure, for sure. I was going to.
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No, I was going to say that like that would explain why like so
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many, there's like so many people around the country or
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around the world that look the same, like there's very like.
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Like regional features like. Yeah, whether it's like, you
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know, like nose features, ear features, eyes, like even like
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head shape and face shape. Like that's something I've
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always thought about but I've never really researched but.
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Yeah, this is all corner of the Bible and I want everyone to
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know that I am not a big religious believer.
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Have you ever opened up a Bible? No, the only Bible I ever read
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was I I did get all the way up to first comedian.
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I was raised Catholic. OK, OK, OK.
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But the Bible we read was a picture book, the Bible comic,
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it was shortened in the bridge and it had mostly illustrations.
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Interesting. That's what we got tested on and
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I passed. It's because I love to over
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achieve, overachieve. And what is it when you memorize
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short term memory exactly? That's all testing is.
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Yup, Yup, Yup, Yup. OK.
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So God told them I've made you, You guys are going to make
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babies, and you're going to live amazing lives in paradise.
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OK. However, there is a second
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account of creation where Adam was created from the earth,
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followed by Eve who was created from Adam's rib so he would not
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be lonely. That's what I remember in my
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vague memory was that Eve was made from a rib of Adam.
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Yeah, that is the story that I am familiar with as well.
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From my very limited knowledge of the Bible saying, I stated
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previously, I'm not super religious.
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Eve was made to replace Lilith and be subservient to Adam.
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Oh, but was she low? Because she did do what she
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wanted. And she did eat that apple.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was given an option.
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Don't eat it rebellious or eat it.
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See what happens. And she took matters into her
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own hand. Hell yeah.
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I hope it tasted really good. That's probably the best apple.
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Like crispy, not even like like washed by the rain, you know,
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just. No pesticides.
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Nothing organic. Allegedly, it's paradise.
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Exactly. So then, the story goes, Eve is
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punished for eating the apple and that's why women suffer the
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pains of childbirth. So does the Bible insinuate that
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menstrual pain is like some sort of karma for Eve eating the
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apple? I can't argue otherwise.
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I mean, that's. It just seems a little
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misogynistic. Yeah.
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Like, and I want you to remember that misogyny.
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OK, misogyny 800 years before Christ.
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Got it. Two things.
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Lilith is described in some versions of Isaiah 3414 as a
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demoness of the night, or just simply a night demon sick.
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The medieval alphabet of Bensira depicts Lilith as Adam's first
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wife who rebelled and became a demonic figure.
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This is where we get the most common depiction of her fall
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from grace. Lilith rejects Adam and
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therefore she's depicted as something dangerous.
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And who's writing this down? Jerry, you're like reading my
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notes. Sorry.
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Continue. She also appears in manuscripts
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of the Book of Isaiah, dated to around 100 BC, as well as in the
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Talmud, where she is called a vampiric succubus.
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In the Zohar, Lilith is regarded as a divine entity.
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In this adoption, she rules alongside her second husband
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Samuel, and is the mother of demons and all things evil.
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This version presents her as seductors who murders men.
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When people say mother of demons, this is usually where
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what they're pulling from. In this version, she's tied to
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an entire lineage of night spirits.
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These night spirits are seen as lesser beings of chaos,
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nightmare, or corruption. She's not their biological
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mother, but she's the source of inspiration for everything that
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followed. OK, because remember what year?
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800 BC. Hey short term memory.
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You'd pass the test, friend. Thank you.
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One account visually describes her as a harlot who seduces the
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sons of man. Her hair is long and red like
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the Rose. Her cheeks are white and red.
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From her ears hang 6 ornaments. Her tongue is sharp like a
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sword, her words are smooth like oil, her lips red like a rose
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and sweetened by all the sweetness of the world.
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I'm sorry. The common thread in all
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versions of Lilith stems from the same place, the fear of
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female power and the loss of male dominance.
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Interesting. That same reason is why many are
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drawn to her. She stood in the face of a man
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and said no, and she was forever vilified by it.
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Yeah. And think about it, Jerry, you
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did a question earlier. Who is writing these books?
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Who has been at the helm of what history can be told and what we
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should fear? I know, I know.
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Oh. Jerry, Yes.
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What is it? The answer is man, man, men.
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Men, the patriarchy, the people for centuries were in a lot of
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cultures. The ones who read, the ones who
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wrote, the ones who were history keepers.
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And what are they going to do? Make sure that men stay in
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power. Yep, Yep, Yep.
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Oh yeah yeah SMH I'm sorry. I am too.
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I'm sorry even as a gay man. I am so sorry women, for
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everything that you have to face in the world and have been
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facing since the creation of. 800 BC Jesus No, no one not not
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let's not even save. Jesus, right now.
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OK, Fast forward thousands of years.
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Hundreds, maybe thousands. OK, it is not unusual for people
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of all gender spectrums to idolize Lilith.
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She saw the life that was laid out in front of her and she said
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no, I can do better for myself. Fuck yeah.
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In modern times, Lilith has been reclaimed by feminists as an
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icon of women's empowerment. Fuck yeah.
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In 1972, theologian Judith Plaskow reinterprets Lilith's
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story. She reframes ancient scriptures,
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and in her retelling, Lilith and Eve ultimately form a
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sisterhood, bonded by their shared understanding of what it
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means to be a woman in the New World.
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Beautiful. I love that.
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Let's reframe everything. I would love to read that.
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I'll pass the the link, I did see it in the article.
21:48
Maybe that's why the story has lasted centuries.
21:50
Every version of Lilith reflects a long standing fear of what it
21:53
means to be a woman. To some, that may look like a
21:56
child stealing demon or a seductress who preys on men.
21:59
To others, she's simply woman punished for demanding autonomy.
22:05
At the end of the day, no one can fully agree on what she
22:07
actually is. Depending on who's telling the
22:10
story, she's a demon, a goddess, a villain, or a victim.
22:14
Regardless, she has outlasted a plethora of societies and will
22:17
outlive many more. The Mother of Demons will live
22:20
to see another day. Yeah, isn't.
22:27
That kind of infuriating. No, for sure, for sure, but I, I
22:32
love that word informing y'all as well as me 'cause you're
22:36
informing me. Lilith.
22:38
I've heard of the name. I've I've, to my limited
22:41
knowledge, knew that she was associated with being demon, a
22:46
head demon, one of the first demons, a mother of demons,
22:48
something she's done. A lot of like video games and
22:51
books as like a sort of evil entity.
22:54
Yep, to the point where I've also like, have known children
22:59
named Lilith, but not knowing, like myself that this was
23:02
associated to early biblical, you know, stories.
23:08
And stuff. This is Jewish folklore which I
23:10
have no I had knowledge of. No clue that there was like AI
23:13
mean obviously this isn't taught in Catholic teachings.
23:16
You know, they're not talking about this stuff, obviously, but
23:19
that's wild. That's so crazy.
23:21
I've yeah, I just. It changes the perception of who
23:27
she was, who she actually is and how she's represented in, you
23:30
know, and just history. Thank you.
23:34
Thank. You and that they created a
23:35
whole antithesis to foil that kind of character.
23:38
Like, no, we're going to create the story of Eve.
23:40
She was everything Adam needed, but still she's a woman and she
23:44
gets vilified because she ate the apple and all of a sudden
23:46
all of humanity is then kicked out of the Garden of Eden.
23:50
Reason why? At the end of the day, doesn't
23:52
matter what type of woman you are, they're still going to find
23:54
a way to patronize you. Yeah, yeah.
23:57
Whether you say no to the status quo or you try your best to fill
24:00
in, you will never be under men. Very specific men's opinions and
24:05
society's opinions. They think you will never be
24:07
equal. I am a 180 on the other side of
24:10
that. I think women are the most
24:13
powerful. I agree.
24:15
Women are meant to rule. Anytime I've had any kind of, I
24:19
mean just job in general, anytime I've had a woman leading
24:24
us, it has been the best experience I've ever had.
24:28
I mean, all the, all the terrible and just shitty
24:32
experiences that I've had are all with male, male males in
24:36
leadership positions where you're just like, how in what
24:39
world were you able to get this position?
24:42
And. They're men.
24:43
In charge, yeah. Because yeah.
24:45
Then that's frustrating. Wow, friend, thank you for that.
24:49
You're. Welcome.
24:50
I hope we haven't enraged all with the the the long standing
24:57
misogyny that our cultures have experienced for so long.
25:03
I would if I had a cat, I would name my cat.
25:06
I'm sure that's not original. I know that's a great name.
25:09
I would and it has to be a black cat.
25:12
It's just sorry. Side Side Story we encountered a
25:16
new cat in the premise where we live and the premises never seen
25:21
it before. I had just got home.
25:23
I was unloading the water gallons.
25:25
Dunta just got home. So we were both like about to
25:29
meet and then this cat appeared out of nowhere and he was just
25:31
meowing. He was being super vocal.
25:32
He she not sure and Dunta called it.
25:36
He was like, and it meowed and went straight to her and I'm
25:39
like, we have to get this cat into the house.
25:41
So I boy, I'm going to open the door quick and I'm like, bring
25:45
it. And she's like calling it,
25:47
calling it. And it gets to like, I don't
25:49
know, maybe halfway from where it was at the, where it was at
25:53
to the, to the apartment. And then it ran back and I was
25:57
like, no. So then I can't.
25:58
Be taped. You said You could not confide
26:00
me. No, I just I'm a free spirit.
26:02
Just wanted to love and care for it.
26:04
No, but I figured any, any animal that just comes up to you
26:07
willingly, willingly like that and is super just domesticated
26:11
has to belong to someone. So I'm like, someone's probably
26:13
looking for this cat. And it was such a beautiful
26:14
little cat. It was like white and grey and
26:17
had like little stripes. It was so cute.
26:19
No, it didn't. Yeah, but I would, I would want
26:22
a little black cat. The more I the more I meet cats
26:24
and the more I'm interacting with them, the more I want one.
26:28
Which is crazy because I've never had that feeling.
26:30
What's sad is the one we interact with most Binks.
26:33
I'm very allergic. To But he's such a choke cat.
26:36
He is the most choke cat in the world.
26:39
Binks, I don't care. Sometimes he's just there and
26:42
his face is just like within reach and I have to give him a
26:45
squeeze. Who cares if my eyes water the
26:47
rest of the night it. Was worth it.
26:49
Worth it. Lilith would be a good name for
26:52
a cat. Like I said, probably taken
26:54
multiple times, but that's great.
26:56
OK friend, what haunted you this week?
26:58
Dude, so we mentioned this earlier.
27:01
I think we're very much aligned today, Thursday, because you
27:08
talked about her Lilith being the mother of demons or the
27:11
mother of, you know, these creatures.
27:14
And you mentioned succubi. Yeah.
27:18
What haunted me today was not only learning about succubus,
27:22
incubus, succubi, but the specific medical reports and
27:28
studies that I found through the World Wide Web.
27:32
What medical stuff? OK, I'm locked in.
27:35
I'm seated. Dude you mentioned you know the
27:38
the the time period of the time period that I read about was
27:41
Middle Ages. So in folklore dating back to
27:44
the Middle Ages, a succubus was believed to be a female demonic
27:48
entity that visited men in their sleep, often seducing them
27:51
through sexual encounters or vivid dreams.
27:54
In the article that I read it states as per the folklore
27:58
belief the succubus can take a form of a beautiful young girl
28:02
who may have deformities of her body such as bird like claws or
28:06
Serpentine tales. Furry before furries existed.
28:09
Literally. But hot.
28:12
But hot. Oh, subjective.
28:14
It's very subjective offense to the very community.
28:16
No, I support you. I said subjective and I respect
28:19
it. I'm not.
28:20
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
28:20
Furries, I love you. Go on.
28:23
The stories about these beings appeared throughout medieval
28:26
Europe and were treated as genuine supernatural attacks
28:29
rather than nightmares or hallucinations.
28:32
The male version of this entity was known as an incubus, set to
28:36
prey on women in similar ways. Stories about supernatural
28:40
beings connected to sexual encounters during sleep appear
28:44
in cultures all around the world, not just in European
28:46
incubus or succubus legends. Many societies develop their own
28:50
versions of night time entities believed to seduce, attack, or
28:54
drain people while they sleep. While they slept, drain their
28:59
insides. There's many, many, could be
29:02
many things. In Arabic folklore, beings known
29:06
as jinn are sometimes associated with mysterious sexual
29:09
experiences and nighttime visitations.
29:12
We've we've talked about jinn. Yes, we have.
29:14
So long ago. Across parts of Africa, there
29:18
are beliefs involving spirit like female entities that appear
29:21
in dreams, often taking the form of a beautiful of beautiful
29:24
women. According to these traditions,
29:26
men who experience encounters with these beings may wake up
29:29
feeling physically drained, weak, or exhausted.
29:32
Me before you, no. Did we mention what might have
29:39
done that? I don't know.
29:41
I thought I had to go to the bathroom.
29:44
What if the Taco Bell is beside this?
29:47
Or incubus? No, you can't spell incubus
29:51
without Taco Bell. Have you thought about that?
29:52
I've never seen Taco Bell and or an incubus in the same room
29:55
still right? It's like an anagram.
29:58
Germanic and Teutonic folklore tells of the Alt, a creature
30:03
connected to nightmares and oppressive night time attacks.
30:08
Depending on the story, it could become a demonic lover visiting
30:11
people during the night. In Swedish folklore, this
30:15
includes the mera, also called the mare, a spirit believed to
30:19
sit on on a sleeping person's chest and cause terrifying
30:23
dreams of suffocation like sensations.
30:26
In fact, many historians believe the modern word nightmare may
30:30
partially originate from these ancient beliefs.
30:33
Similar legends appear in Turkish culture as well.
30:36
What's fascinating is that despite cultural differences,
30:39
many of these legends describe nearly identical experiences.
30:43
Pressure on the chest, paralysis, fear, sexual
30:47
encounters, exhaustion after waking, and the belief that
30:50
repeated attacks could slowly weaken or even kill a person.
30:54
In Indian mythology, the concept takes a slightly different form
30:57
through beings known as yakshinis or yakshinis, the
31:03
supernatural. Female entities are connected to
31:06
the cubera, the Hindu God of wealth, and are often described
31:10
as guardians of hidden treasures beneath the earth.
31:14
Ancient texts portray them as incredibly beautiful and
31:17
eternally youthful beings capable of granting pleasure,
31:21
desire, wealth, or power. Today, many psychologists,
31:26
anthropologists, and sleep researchers believe these
31:29
experiences may be connected to sleep paralysis and intense
31:33
dream related hallucinations that occur while falling asleep
31:37
or waking up. I mean to tell me it's just
31:39
really, really crazy wet dreams. You're just tired.
31:43
It's all happening during. It's your R.E.M., your R.E.M.
31:45
cycle. During these episodes, people
31:48
can experience terrifyingly realistic sensations, including
31:51
pressure on the chest, shadow figures, physical touch, or even
31:55
sexual encounters that feel completely real.
31:58
Psychiatric literature contains documented cases where patients
32:02
with disorders such as schizophrenia reported
32:04
experiences resembling incubus phenomena.
32:08
However, reports involving succubus like experiences appear
32:12
far less frequently in medical literature.
32:15
OK, this is the portion where Jerry talks about some research
32:18
that was done on a couple of patients who severed
32:21
schizophrenia and some of the events that they encountered do
32:26
have very similar vibes of SA. So if you don't want to listen
32:29
to that, I advise you skip forward to at least 40 minutes.
32:35
That should put you at a good spot for the rest of the
32:37
episode. The article I'm discussing today
32:40
is Unusual Cases of succubus, A Cultural phenomenon manifesting
32:44
as part of Psychopathology by Sandeep Grover, Aseem Mara, and
32:50
Devaxi Doug. If I mispronounce her name, I
32:54
apologize. Yeah, he's so sorry.
32:56
This presents 2 schizophrenia cases in which the patients
33:00
describe experiences strongly resembling encounters with a
33:03
succubus. Case number one.
33:08
The first case presented in the articles, is centered around an
33:12
18 year old man whose mental health had been deteriorating
33:15
for nearly three years before he finally received treatment.
33:19
According to the doctors, his symptoms developed gradually and
33:22
became constant overtime. He began experiencing intense
33:26
paranoia, believing people were targeting him or talking about
33:29
him indirectly. He also suffered from delusions
33:32
of grandeur and believed outside forces could control his
33:36
thoughts and actions. The paper explains that he
33:40
experienced multiple forms of hallucinations, including
33:43
hearing voices that could speak that would speak to him, argue
33:47
with each other, and even command him to do things.
33:49
He also believed his thoughts were somehow being broadcast for
33:53
others to hear. Over time, his condition
33:56
severely damaged his daily life. He became apathetic, neglected
34:00
his hygiene and self-care, and showed major social and
34:04
occupational dysfunction. But among all of his symptoms, 1
34:07
experience terrified him more than anything else.
34:10
At night, whenever he lay down to sleep, he claimed he could
34:14
sense a woman entering his presence.
34:16
What? Are you going to say entering?
34:18
His body how the turntable women can top.
34:22
Yes, yes he can. He described her as physically
34:25
attractive, but the encounters themselves were deeply
34:27
disturbing and unwanted. He said he could physically feel
34:31
her touching him intimately. To his account, these
34:34
experiences cause involuntary sexual arousal, erections and
34:38
ejaculation. Despite the fact that he did not
34:41
consent or desire these encounters, the patient insisted
34:46
the experiences felt completely real.
34:49
Instead of pleasure, he reported overwhelming guilt, shame, fear
34:52
and confusion. Sometimes he would wake up
34:55
suddenly after the encounters feeling terrified and
34:58
emotionally distressed, convinced something had violated
35:01
him during the night, The article states he believed a
35:04
supernatural witch was responsible for the attacks.
35:08
However, he could never fully describe the figure or explain
35:11
exactly what she looked like. It was more like an overwhelming
35:15
presence, something he can feel rather than clearly see.
35:20
Doctors carefully evaluated whether the experiences could be
35:23
connected to known sleep disorders.
35:26
Interestingly, there was no history suggesting narcolepsy,
35:30
recurring nightmares, sleep paralysis, night terrors,
35:33
insomnia or hypersomnia. Medical tests including brain
35:37
imaging, blood work, and and EEG scans all came back normal.
35:43
Eventually, psychiatrist diagnosed him with
35:45
schizophrenia. He was treated with the
35:47
antipsychotic medication, which gradually increased to 15
35:51
milligrams daily and overtime his hallucinations, paranoia,
35:54
and the succubus like experiences completely
35:56
disappeared. Once his symptoms improved, he
36:00
became uncertain whether the nighttime attacks had ever truly
36:03
happened at all. He began to question something
36:06
that once felt unquestionably real.
36:09
That's case number one. Wow, case number 2.
36:15
They have these exact same symptoms.
36:16
That's going to be so crazy. The second case involved a 24
36:19
year old man who suffered from schizophrenia alongside a
36:22
cannabis dependence. Like the first patient, his
36:27
illness developed gradually over several years and became severe
36:30
enough to completely disrupt his life.
36:33
He began experiencing delusions and hallucinations that revolved
36:36
around 1 specific person, a former female teacher.
36:41
Oh no. Oh, that's trauma in there too.
36:44
The patient became convinced that his teacher was secretly
36:48
communicating with him and deeply in in love with him.
36:51
He claimed he could hear her voice speaking directly to him,
36:54
even when she was nowhere nearby.
36:56
According to the article, the voices would comment on his
36:59
behavior, hold conversations and command him at times.
37:03
That's so scary. The hallucinations didn't stop
37:06
with sound. He also described powerful
37:09
physical sensations throughout his body, particularly
37:13
concentrated in his thighs and genital region.
37:16
He explained these sensations as vibrations or waves moving
37:19
through him, usually occurring late at night while he was
37:22
alone. Sometimes the experiences
37:24
happened while fully awake, while other times they occurred
37:28
as he drifted towards sleep. During these episodes, he
37:31
believed the teacher was somehow remotely touching him and
37:34
forcing sexual experiences onto him without consent.
37:37
The patient reported hearing her voice claim responsibility for
37:41
the sensations. He believed she was expressing
37:44
romantic obsession towards them and trying to initiate sexual
37:47
intercourse through supernatural or unexplained means.
37:51
He described feeling his genitals being touched despite
37:53
no one physically being present. The experiences often cause
37:57
involuntary arousal, erections, and occasional ejaculation.
38:02
What stands out most is how convinced he was that these
38:05
experiences were real, even though he could not logically
38:09
explain how the teacher was supposedly accomplished
38:11
accomplishing this, he firmly believed she had gained control
38:15
over his body itself. He told doctors that that she
38:18
forced him into sexual activity against his will and manipulated
38:22
his physical sensations remotely.
38:24
And unlike some delusions that might provide comfort or
38:26
pleasure, this experience tortured him.
38:29
The article notes that he denied and joined the encounters and
38:31
said he felt trapped and powerless during them.
38:34
Eventually, the symptoms became so severe that he stopped
38:37
attending school altogether and isolated himself at home.
38:40
This is during the same time. The same time.
38:42
Oh my God I thought this was like a past like teacher.
38:46
Oh, no, sorry, he was 24. Oh, but no, I mean impacted as
38:49
like daily activities. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:51
Doctors attempted several antipsychotic medications.
38:55
Some treatments slightly reduced the voices he heard, but the
38:58
tactile and sexual hallucinations remained
39:01
stubbornly persistent. Finally, physicians prescribed a
39:05
more intense antipsychotic, clozapine, a medication often
39:09
reserved for severe or treatment resistant schizophrenia.
39:12
After beginning clozapine at 200 milligrams, his symptoms
39:16
improved significantly. Most importantly, his insight
39:19
returned over time. He began recognizing that the
39:22
voices, physical sensations, and perceived sexual encounters were
39:25
not real. Whether it's medieval times,
39:28
succubi, incubi, shadow people during sleep paralysis, or
39:32
modern psychology cases where people genuinely believe that
39:35
they are being touched or attacked in the dark, the human
39:38
brain once again can create experiences that feel
39:41
horrifyingly real. Have you ever woken up in the
39:44
middle of the night, unable to move, feeling pressure on your
39:47
chest, hearing whispers, feeling hands touch you when no one's
39:52
there? The day I experience sleep
39:55
paralysis is the day it's over. It's over like you're done.
39:58
I mean, we've talked about it so much and I've never dealt with
40:02
like that feeling of not being able to move.
40:04
Just like helpless. Dude, of course your mind's
40:06
going to wander. But those are very scary cases,
40:09
especially the second one where he like it's his teacher, like
40:13
the voices he hears is that Lady.
40:17
I always wondered like, what voices do people hear?
40:20
Like is it people they know? Well, in this case, yes.
40:23
Yeah, I just, I, I really like the article because this was one
40:28
some sort of like peer reviewed article with, you know,
40:33
scientific documentation on these two separate cases.
40:37
A lot of, you know, connections between both of them.
40:40
But I like how they're not shooting down the idea that
40:43
like, hey, these like succubus, incubus or whatever they may be
40:47
can be affecting like the sleep, their sleep cycle.
40:50
Yeah, to them, this is the reality.
40:51
Yeah. So sure, there were some
40:54
schizophrenia in it, so you know, some, some other mental
40:58
health, I'm sure. But it's, it's, it's scary.
41:02
I think it's very interesting because this is also modern
41:05
medicine. They did not have anti
41:08
schizophrenia drugs back in the Middle Ages.
41:11
So if this is a common occurrence, that was two people
41:14
unrelated at all, but we're feeling very similar symptoms.
41:19
All it takes is for someone to hear a story, hear a story
41:22
somewhere and hear it again somewhere else, that it becomes
41:25
lore. Oh, these are these things that
41:26
exist because now I have witnessed 2 people yeah telling
41:29
me that this has happened to them and.
41:32
Then if we go back to the cultural connection, like there
41:36
are so many things that are very similar once again in how they
41:40
are perceived and how they what they do, how they affect you
41:44
physically. Like, doesn't matter where you
41:46
go, many parts of the world, there's just a different name
41:50
for it. Yeah with all very similar all
41:53
with very similar symptoms yes like the most common one we hear
41:56
about like when we did research on the freaking hat man like
41:59
months ago was that feeling of not being able to move and
42:01
something's heavy on your chest yeah yeah the extra thing of
42:08
ejaculating that one's new have not heard of heard that one on
42:12
any other paranormal being that we've.
42:14
We've discussed it's a sexual arousal.
42:16
Yeah, wow, two things that haunted us that were very linked
42:21
this week. I'm rethinking calling the Inc.
42:28
What is it the male 1? The incubus?
42:29
Incubus. Dang, when I think of succubus
42:34
and incubus I think of. Digimon wait, explain I let me
42:41
explain. I need to, I need to give you
42:43
references because that has been the image that's existed in my
42:46
head for forever. Is it Debbie?
42:52
Mon Debbie Ryan No, I walked in to Mr. Incubus.
42:58
OK, that. Yeah.
42:59
Yeah, that's you. You.
43:01
Know what I mean? Like, that's just latex.
43:03
It's like, yeah, what? What's that called with?
43:05
With wings? And he's a hot, sexy, muscular
43:09
man. That's just BDSM dude.
43:11
It is with wings with wings fantasy.
43:15
Love it. I will link that article.
43:21
Love the reading about it, I just think it's super
43:23
fascinating. Send it to me so I can put in
43:25
the notes I will. Just that concept of sleep
43:29
paralysis and I've told you like my personal experiences with
43:32
people around my life that have experienced something like that,
43:36
but. Is this what you think your dad
43:38
saw? Well, I think he for sure felt
43:40
the pressure. But you didn't see a sexy lady.
43:43
No, I don't. I don't think I think he would
43:45
have mentioned it. And the times that I've
43:47
experienced the paralysis, I was maybe too young to where my mind
43:50
didn't automatically like create an image of a of a a, a
43:54
seductive. Demon of a seductress of a Dom
44:00
mommy. Yeah, 'cause yeah, I was, I was
44:03
AI was AI was a young kiddo, so. Well, we'll keep you updated if
44:08
for some reason something in the future happens and we'll give
44:11
full details on our Patreon. You will have to pay for that if
44:15
and when that happens. If and when that happens, well,
44:19
my voice got all like, raspy. You.
44:23
Well now, now we know Lilith and her demon children.
44:28
That's crazy how different parts of the world have pulled from
44:31
very similar stories. What if it's the same person
44:34
going around and just spreading these stories and they're like,
44:37
hey, did you hear about this? And then they're like, well, we
44:40
can't call it that. It's already taken.
44:41
Let's just switch it up and they get something else.
44:43
We'll give it a new name and then we'll get credit.
44:45
Yeah. And then somehow it made it to,
44:48
you know, somewhere else, modern times here in the country.
44:51
And they're like the hat man. And they were like, Yep, that's
44:54
that's the name. That's.
44:56
The one. Maybe the hat man is sexy.
44:57
Maybe the hat man's an incubus. I'm pretty sure he's an incubus.
45:00
We have to ask Michael and Peter.
45:01
Hey straight man, do you think Hat Man was a little hot?
45:05
He was dapper. He had a nice coat on and a top
45:08
hat. Yeah, could you see ABS through
45:09
the shadows? Can can you explain the the the
45:12
shadow ABS a little bit more in detail?
45:14
Looked. Like he lifted, like he lifts.
45:16
He was at least 6 something 6. Two, then it was.
45:19
I'm sorry, it just was. If you're taller than like 6
45:22
feet, then odds are you're an incubus.
45:26
That's just nature giving you a couple points in life.
45:30
That's just nature favouring you.
45:31
Yeah, must be nice. Dang, I wish I was 16 hey.
45:35
What I'm lack in height I make up in width.
45:41
Good for you. Thanks.
45:44
That is like size 36. Yeah, waist.
45:46
Damn clock me. Yeah, I mean, hey, maybe people
45:49
can send you some pants. Sponsor Brian's clothing?
45:53
No, send me wardrobe. I can buy my own pants.
45:56
Don't send me, Don't send me pants.
45:58
What have you been listening to this week?
46:00
Oh man. Well, lucky enough I mentioned
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last week to listen to Motionless and Whites.
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No song. And because it wasn't out
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technically and now it is, I'm going to say go listen to Plain
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God by Motionless and White featuring Corey Taylor, lead
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singer for Slipknot. So that was a cool little collab
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that surprised everyone. Not a huge Slipknot fan.
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Like, I, I mean, I, I grew up listening to them because they
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were popular, but not because I like them.
46:33
I'm indifferent. But it's a really good song
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talks about like the parasocial relationships with, you know,
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just people in general, the obsession with social media, the
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toxicity behind, you know, social media and, and being
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online, being chronically online.
46:49
Oh, so it's a it's toxic meaningful song.
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So pretty cool. Being chronically online, my
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brain has rotted. But for the better, like for the
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good of humanity, you know, You know, on there trying to get
47:01
like a reaction. Oh yeah, you know, they're like
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a toxic reaction and shit. Like no, I just go under to hee
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hee ha ha a funny. Little cat videos for the That's
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the the better of human. That's what makes us human.
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He, he's and ha ha. I love to hee hee and ha ha
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before bed a little a little squirrel.
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Born to Lollygag, forced to work a night of oh.
47:25
Don't remind me my very similar to Jerry.
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My recommendation is something I didn't mention last week.
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I did say you guys should listen to Zara Larsson's Deluxe
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edition. Well, I did and I did not like
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the new version. Oh Dang, OK.
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One of my favorite songs, so I'm going to recommend the original.
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Can I recommend 2 songs to please to have permission?
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Jerry, can you please, Sir? Let me check.
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Yep, you're clear. OK, so.
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Wait, not yet. You're clear.
47:54
OK. So the first one is a Blue Moon
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by Zara Larsson. It is one of my favorite on the
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album aside from Midnight Sun. That was really good.
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The blue moon, you hit that. And guys, I don't know if anyone
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knows. Very few people know that one of
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my my pop Queens is Tuvalu. I love Tuvalu Tuvalu, Tuvalu
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Tuvalu, period. She makes amazing pop music.
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Argue arguably you hit that. She's like up there with Carly
48:33
Rib. Just Carly Rae Jepsen for making
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amazing pop music, but she makes amazing like, like dance.
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Music. Yes, but sometimes it's just the
48:43
lyrics are also so deep and just the the songwriting that Pen is
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on fire. Those beats are on fire.
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And she dropped a song literally today when you guys are
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listening to to this podcast. What?
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This. Is Thursday, Yes, but it came
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out a little early, so I did hear it.
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But it's called I'm Your Girl, right?
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And just look at that album artwork.
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Is this the whole song? You said this saved summer?
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Yeah. If you follow me on Instagram.
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OK I did post that summer is saved because she saved it.
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That's crazy. We weren't going to have a
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summer. That's wild.
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But now we do because Tuvalu, she saved us Tuvalu, Tuvalu,
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period Tuvalu. Watch Lady Gaga's Requiem.
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Oh, that comes out today. That's today, yeah.
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Thursday the 14th, yes. Oh yeah it is.
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Holy shit. Yeah, you think I wouldn't know
49:31
that's a mother girl? I don't know what they were.
49:33
That's a mother. Well, I know it's Thursday, but
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what are you listening to? Why don't you recommend us
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something? Yeah, I would love that.
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Switch it up. Send us a recommendation.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do we need to add?
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You know what we listen to? Yeah, you hate my music.
49:48
You're like, that's, that's too crazy for me.
49:49
No, no, no, as separate as our interests lie every week it
49:53
they're 180 polar opposites. There is a file, a through line
49:58
that me and Jerry do enjoy. Maybe, maybe you know exactly
50:02
what it is. Maybe.
50:03
And it's always synth wave, vampy.
50:06
That's true dance music. When in doubt I just go back to
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my EBM and dark wave. Yep.
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Synth. Well guys, this has been of the
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Daily BJ with Brian. And Jerry I.
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Think no, I think I think you are right.
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Oh my God, guys, he grew wings. I'm a Jincubus.
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Guys are here to go to bed. Right now, when I was not Jin,
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bye bye.