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Sharri | 1 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: First to night.
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Speaker 2: We are in uncharted territory in this country thanks to
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Speaker 2: the Greens, who have proven themselves as the most dangerous
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Speaker 2: UnAustralian political party in our history, a party that is
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Speaker 2: tearing apart the very fibers of what makes this country great.
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Speaker 1: I'll explain more in a.
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Speaker 2: Moment, but first take a look at this disgraceful act
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Speaker 2: of vandalism in Canberra. Four war memorials near the Australian
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Speaker 2: War Memorial were vandalized yesterday. The pro Palestinian graffiti with
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Speaker 2: slogans such as from the River to the Sea was
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Speaker 2: discovered on the Korean War, Vietnam War, Australian Army monuments
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Speaker 2: and a wall between the memorials.
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Speaker 1: Along Anzac Parade. Now, for many of us, our.
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Speaker 2: Loved ones fought in these walls and other conflicts, so
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Speaker 2: anyone with a moral conscience would be horrified to see
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Speaker 2: them defaced. And as we go to air tonight, no
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Speaker 2: arrests have been made.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Senator Jackie Lamby put forward a motion to the Senate
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Speaker 2: today saying the Senate condemns the act of defacing war
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Speaker 2: memorials by pro Palestinian protesters, which is deeply insulting for
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Speaker 2: current and former members of the Australian Defense Force and
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Speaker 2: undermines the significance of these memorials as symbols of national
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Speaker 2: pride and remembrance. But that sense of national pride and
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Speaker 2: remembrance is lost on the Greens because the party refused
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Speaker 2: to support the motion. They argue there may be a
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Speaker 2: place in our society for this sort of activism because
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Speaker 2: memorials of any type, particularly war memorials, are not politically
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Speaker 2: neutral places.
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Speaker 3: You can agree with it, you can disagree with it,
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Speaker 3: but it was inherently a political decision. Protest is a
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Speaker 3: political decision and one of the reasons why we cannot
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Speaker 3: support the motion brought by Senator Lambe today is that
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Speaker 3: it frames the act of protest by way of interacting
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Speaker 3: with a memorial or a commemorative space, as something that
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Speaker 3: is exclusive to those who support justice and freedom for Palestine.
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Speaker 3: And that is not true.
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Speaker 4: That is not true.
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Speaker 1: Does he even know what he's saying?
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Speaker 2: The Greens have absolutely truly lost the plot. Green Senator
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Speaker 2: Jordan steel John went on to say, if we are
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Speaker 2: to believe that the men and women of the ADF
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Speaker 2: gave their lives in wars and conflicts. To defend such freedoms,
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Speaker 2: then you have to engage with the reality that protesting,
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Speaker 2: that painting is a form of speech. Well, Jordan, graffiti
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Speaker 2: and vandalism are not a form of speech. They are
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Speaker 2: criminal acts. Made even more despicable that it happened at
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Speaker 2: our National War Memorial. One hundred and three thousand brave
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Speaker 2: men and women lost their lives serving our nation. They
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Speaker 2: deserve our respect and to have them desecrated by antisemitic
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Speaker 2: slogans is the lowest of the low and that is
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Speaker 2: the level the Greens have reached. They have turned into
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Speaker 2: the most UnAustralian party in our history.
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Speaker 5: It is extraordinary that any elected member of this place
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Speaker 5: would come in here and defend the defacing and the
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Speaker 5: desecration of these monuments.
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Speaker 6: The Greens are whipping up an atmosphere of hate and
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Speaker 6: division all for vote.
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Speaker 7: Where do you draw the line? And as someone who's
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Speaker 7: very proud husband to a member of the ADF, I
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Speaker 7: can assure you your comments are totally out of order,
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Speaker 7: are offensive.
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Speaker 2: Now it's not the first time the Greens have shown
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Speaker 2: such contempt for our ADF. New South Wales Greens Counselor
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Speaker 2: Rafaela Pandolfini or a Palestinian cafiet to an Anzac Day
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Speaker 2: dawn service. This year, only the Greens would use our
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Speaker 2: diggers to score political points to try and win seats
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Speaker 2: from Labor, particularly those in the inner cities. And they
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Speaker 2: are using a conflict a world away from us to
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Speaker 2: do it.
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Speaker 1: This party knows no bounds.
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Speaker 2: Now, The Daily Mail has obtained leak to audio of
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Speaker 2: Green's leader Adam Bant tearing into his own supporters in
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Speaker 2: a speech to the party's online national conference in June.
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Speaker 1: Have a listen to this.
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Speaker 8: I want you to think about what the narrative will
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Speaker 8: be if we don't win these seats. What Labor will
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Speaker 8: say is are well, we can get away with bombing
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Speaker 8: Gaza and opening up new coalon gas lines and it
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Speaker 8: doesn't matter because voters won't impact on us, and the
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Speaker 8: Greens can try as hard as they want and nothing
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Speaker 8: will happen. That will be the story that they tell.
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Speaker 8: That will be the story they tell. It won't be true,
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Speaker 8: but that's the story that they will tell.
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Speaker 2: I mean they even willing to go so far as
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Speaker 2: to say Labor is bombing Gaza. What does that tell
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Speaker 2: you The Greens will do and say anything in the
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Speaker 2: pursuit of seats, including accepting the vandalism of our war Memorial,
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Speaker 2: which is not a place for the Greens extremism. The
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Speaker 2: only person they seem to be falling is Labour's now
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Speaker 2: suspended petulant child, Fatima Payman, who has been swept away
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Speaker 2: by the Greens surf desolee.
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Speaker 9: From the river to the sea. Palestine will be free in.
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Speaker 1: A secular society.
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Speaker 2: The War Memorial is one of the few things we
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Speaker 2: all agree is sacred. The fact that being defaced didn't
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Speaker 2: bother them should send warning signals about the dangerous pathway
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Speaker 2: this party is on, hell bent on division. And so
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Speaker 2: if they are so comfortable with the memorial being attacked,
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Speaker 2: why don't the Greens go over to the Middle East
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Speaker 2: for themselves.
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Speaker 1: Go on, go fight the war.
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Speaker 2: That they are trying to import into our own backyard.
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Speaker 2: Go put yourselves on the line, like our servicemen and
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Speaker 2: women have done and continue.
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Speaker 1: To do so.
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Speaker 2: Go see what it is like to face fears that
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Speaker 2: nobody should ever have to go over and be faced
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Speaker 2: with death. But there certainly won't be any monuments or
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Speaker 2: memorials erected for your so called courage back home.
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Speaker 1: Now, As if we needed more.
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Speaker 2: Proof of how much we need a Royal Commission into
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Speaker 2: Australia's handling of the COVID pandemic to hear from the
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Speaker 2: pandemic premiers who inflicted so much misery and pain. How
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Speaker 2: many of them have now left politics, so you'd think
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Speaker 2: they would have had time to reflect on the decisions
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Speaker 2: and what could and should have been done better. But
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Speaker 2: it seems that reflection has been lost on former Queensland
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Speaker 2: Premier Anastagia Palichet.
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Speaker 1: She sat down for.
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Speaker 2: What has been described as a candid interview about the pandemic,
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Speaker 2: but it was about as candid as the.
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Speaker 1: People living in New South Wales.
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Speaker 10: They have New South Wales hospitals.
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Speaker 1: In Queensland, we have Queensland hospitals for our people.
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Speaker 2: Oh just never gets old, does it?
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Speaker 1: Who could forget that now?
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Speaker 2: When asked in the interview on the Seven network last
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Speaker 2: night about whether she regrets her decisions to keep dying.
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Speaker 1: Loved ones apart because of the harsh.
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Speaker 2: Queensland border restrictions, while she offered up this.
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Speaker 10: I still stand by what we did to keep Queensland
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Speaker 10: safe and the end result was we only had tragically
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Speaker 10: seven deaths during that whole period of that two years
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Speaker 10: before we opened up our borders. So I think the
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Speaker 10: results show that it did work.
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Speaker 1: It did work, she said. She stands by it.
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Speaker 2: She stands by loved ones being locked out by border restrictions.
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Speaker 1: And having to say goodbye on FaceTime. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: to her.
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Speaker 2: The stress of being denied exceptions, having to apply for
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Speaker 2: an exemption in the first place.
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Speaker 1: I mean it was utter madness. And well, she stands
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Speaker 1: by it.
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Speaker 2: And she was then asked in that interview what lessons
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Speaker 2: Australia learned from the pandemic.
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Speaker 10: We found out that we needed to manufacture more here.
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Speaker 10: We needed to have the ability to produce vaccines here
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Speaker 10: when we didn't have PPE. We just didn't have we
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Speaker 10: didn't have the masks and everything else that was needed.
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Speaker 10: So we actually have domestic manufacturing.
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Speaker 2: Vaccines and PPE vaccines and PPE that we needed more.
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Speaker 1: That is what she learned from years of hell.
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Speaker 2: Never mind, the Queensland Supreme Court found earlier this year
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Speaker 2: that vaccine mandates for police and ambulance workers were unlawful
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Speaker 2: under the Human Rights Act. So you would really think
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Speaker 2: that the former Queensland Premier would have said, well, actually,
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Speaker 2: upon reflection, maybe we should not have been so quick
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Speaker 2: to impose vaccine mandates and considered human rights.
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Speaker 1: And then one last insult.
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Speaker 10: Not everything was right, not everything was perfect, but we
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Speaker 10: got through it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Anastasia Palichet did get through it on a
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Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty thousand dollars salary and now working
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Speaker 2: a cushy job with the Smart Energy Council. Meanwhile, other
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Speaker 2: people who lost their jobs because they refused her vaccine
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Speaker 2: mandate have had their lives destroyed, their finances turned upside down,
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Speaker 2: and their job prospects ruined. It is astonishing that years
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Speaker 2: later there is zero sympathy from this robotic pandemic premiere.
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Speaker 1: It's a further insult to those who lost.
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Speaker 2: Loved ones, whose businesses went broke, whose children were robbed
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Speaker 2: of key educational years.
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Speaker 1: The list goes on.
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Speaker 2: And for the former Queensland premier to say, really, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, I can't really think of anything that we
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Speaker 2: could have done better or other than vaccines and PPE
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Speaker 2: is a double blow.
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Speaker 1: And it's even a bigger.
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Speaker 2: Blow that the ab and Easy government's COVID cop out
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Speaker 2: inquiry won't examine decisions by the States because former COVID.
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Speaker 1: Premiers like Palichet and Dan Andrews and.
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Speaker 2: The chief health officers would get minced in front of
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Speaker 2: a royal commission.
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Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't you love to see this scrutinized. My
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Speaker 1: advice to you is to duck and just do not
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Speaker 1: touch that ball. And that's what they are scared of.
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Speaker 1: The truth was already confirmed by former Federal Health.
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Speaker 2: Minister Greg Huntu as minister during the pandemic. He has
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Speaker 2: made a scathing submission to Labour's inquiry, hitting out at
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Speaker 2: states and territories over unilateral health decisions taken during the
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Speaker 2: pandemic that work. Who'd you believe not backed by medical advice?
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Speaker 2: No wonder Labour don't want a royal commission. It's clearer
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Speaker 2: than ever why we need one. Otherwise nothing will change,
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Speaker 2: History will repeat itself and all we will care about
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Speaker 2: is more vaccines and PPE. Also on the show tonight,
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Speaker 2: we'll have more to say on Fatima Payman's indefinite suspension
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Speaker 2: from the Labor Caucus after a weak display of leadership
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Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister, plus why the latest polls spell
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Speaker 2: bad news for both major parties. I'll be joined by
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Speaker 2: a Labor insider to break down the figures and the
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Speaker 2: Democrats are in damage control after the president's train wreck debate.
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Speaker 2: Performance will have the latest from the US. But now
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Speaker 2: let's bring in today's panel. Joining US is Sky News
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Speaker 2: host Liz Storer and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 1: Hi to you both.
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Speaker 4: Tonight, great editorials.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Greens.
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Speaker 2: Okay, a different bizarre trajectory here. They wouldn't even support
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Speaker 2: this motion contest the vandalism of the Australian War memorial.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of the things that are sacred.
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Speaker 2: Could they get any more extreme?
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Speaker 11: This is the thing that shows you how absolutely extreme
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Speaker 11: they are. They are an extremist party. Anyone who supports
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Speaker 11: vandalizer war memorials, vandalizing the memorials to people who gave
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Speaker 11: their lives in service of this country is clearly just
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Speaker 11: off the reservation and there's something wrong with them on
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Speaker 11: a very basic human level as well. I mean, how
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Speaker 11: would the Greens feel if their gravestones were vandalized by
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Speaker 11: One Nation supporters because they didn't like the cause that
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Speaker 11: the Greens represent. I mean, that is exactly what they're
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Speaker 11: talking about here, and they think, oh, they're not graves
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Speaker 11: or their memorials, because the bodies are probably still overseas
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Speaker 11: and in many cases will never have been found. And again,
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Speaker 11: think about the impact that that has on the family
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Speaker 11: of these people. These memorials are often all they actually
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Speaker 11: have to remember their loved ones by. They're a symbol
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Speaker 11: of what their loved ones did. And to have them
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Speaker 11: not just defaced by extremists, but then backed by a
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Speaker 11: party that is actually in the Parliament, that claims to
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Speaker 11: be representative of segments of the Australian public, hopefully this
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Speaker 11: is the thing that pulls back the rug on just
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Speaker 11: how psychotic these people are. It is the same logic.
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Speaker 11: It's not quite as extreme, obviously, but it's the same
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Speaker 11: logic that terrorists have, which is that someone I don't
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Speaker 11: like did something to someone else over there, Therefore I'm
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Speaker 11: going to do something to another third party over here.
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Speaker 11: The US invaded Iraq, I don't like that, so I'm
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Speaker 11: going to go kill a random American. This is what
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Speaker 11: they're saying saying. They're saying, we don't like an Australian
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Speaker 11: government policy today, which in fact has no bearing on
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Speaker 11: what's happening in Gaza anyway, So we're going to randomly
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Speaker 11: attack and then justify and promote and support the attack
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Speaker 11: of the war dead.
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Speaker 4: It is so cooked, it is so cooked. For there's
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Speaker 4: something broken.
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Speaker 2: Greens have become the most UnAustralian political party in our history. Liz,
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Speaker 2: what does it say about the trajectory that this group's on.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that even things like this really
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Speaker 6: put off their own voters. I mean, obviously there's no sky,
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Speaker 6: there's no Greens voters watching sky. Stop voting for people
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Speaker 6: that hate you, that hate our country, and who have
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Speaker 6: proven time and time again that they will stop at
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Speaker 6: nothing to support the people who are Supper Palestine.
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Speaker 9: Period.
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Speaker 6: They've attended their rallies, they've taken the mic at a
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Speaker 6: few of them. This has got to be the lowest
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Speaker 6: of the low blow yet, but they've shown it is
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Speaker 6: not beneath them. And I don't think many people at
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Speaker 6: this point in the game are surprised because it is
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Speaker 6: the Greens, and so I think they would be more
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Speaker 6: shocked if the Greens were to join them in the
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Speaker 6: rest and say, yeah, we absolutely condemned this. This is
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Speaker 6: a red line here. We've been overtly pro Palestinian, but
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Speaker 6: we say to these people, please please don't go around
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Speaker 6: defacing war memorials in the name of something that has
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Speaker 6: actually nothing to do with and that inference like you
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Speaker 6: said that labor's the one dropping bombs often, I believe
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Speaker 6: discussed one of the first people in line to bash
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Speaker 6: this labor government. But that is worse than insulting like
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Speaker 6: that is live l That is defamation, That is telling
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Speaker 6: people and you'd probably have to be a whack job
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Speaker 6: to be voting for the Greens in the first place,
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Speaker 6: so they may well believe you. When Green's leaders stand
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Speaker 6: up and infer that our government is playing a front
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Speaker 6: seat role in what is happening in the Middle East
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Speaker 6: right now, it is utter nonsense.
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Speaker 9: It's lies.
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Speaker 2: No, you're totally right in those comments were just absolutely appalling.
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Speaker 2: But you know, where do you draw a line in
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Speaker 2: the sand when it comes to.
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Speaker 11: The Green Hopefully, hopefully it's exposed them, And again so
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Speaker 11: much for just ask them hope So would they support
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Speaker 11: right wing activists vandalizing the graves and memorials of their
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Speaker 11: own MPs when they fall off this mortal coil? Or
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Speaker 11: are the left wing icons that they support if they
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Speaker 11: support someone like you know, one nation or favor whatever
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Speaker 11: going out there and getting out the old spray paint
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Speaker 11: and saying, you know, you horrible.
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Speaker 1: Commentuld they'd be like, oh, freedom of speech?
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Speaker 4: Is that?
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Speaker 11: Is that a conversation with these public spaces.
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Speaker 6: Hypocrisy time and again when they come out batting for
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Speaker 6: all pro women everything, and then a conservative woman in the.
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party absolutely bad, absolutely flints of the world.
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Speaker 6: You're a peek out of them all of a sudden,
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Speaker 6: they're not for women at all, even though.
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Speaker 1: The abuse Laura is very obvious. All right, look, let's
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Speaker 1: move on.
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Speaker 2: Because in Battle nine, CEO Mike Sneezebee zipped off on
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Speaker 2: a family holiday to grease just hours after slashing staff
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Speaker 2: by four percent, many of whom are claiming to have
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Speaker 2: been blindsided on by his company wide email that outlined
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Speaker 2: the loss of two hundred jobs.
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Speaker 1: Liza, a good or a bad time? Do you think
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Speaker 1: to be overseas?
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Speaker 6: I think good if your sneeze beee.
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Speaker 1: Look, I wouldn't be.
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Speaker 6: Surprised if this guy has woken up to the fact
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Speaker 6: that his days are numbered. If it's not the Darren
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Speaker 6: Wick saga, if it's not the Tim Costello saga.
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Speaker 1: Now they've got this to deal.
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Speaker 6: With and a hell of a lot of disgrundled staff
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Speaker 6: being like, excuse me, nobody even warned us about this.
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Speaker 6: Of course nine simply said, look, staff cuts gotta cut costs,
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Speaker 6: and I'm sure everyone can relate to that in this environment.
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Speaker 6: They're obviously not their only network to do this, not
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Speaker 6: recently as well. And so yeah, I guess he's just
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Speaker 6: like I can't hack the heat and the kitchen. I'm
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Speaker 6: going to clear out for this little bit while the
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Speaker 6: dust settles.
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting time for Australian media in general. Would
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Speaker 1: you say interesting in the sense of the tumultuous across
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Speaker 1: the board, But what do you think of.
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Speaker 11: Mike sneezees interesting in the sense of the old Chinese curse?
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Speaker 11: May you live an interesting time?
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Speaker 4: It's awful.
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Speaker 11: Everyone I know in the media has been really rocked
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Speaker 11: by the extent and the savagery of the cuts that's
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Speaker 11: happening across all these organizations, including News nine seven, all
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Speaker 11: of them. I believe from memory that Sneeze we actually
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Speaker 11: canceled some leave to come back and deal with we
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Speaker 11: did the crisis in the first place. I assume he's
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Speaker 11: making up for that. And again, I have never subscribed
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Speaker 11: to the you know you have to work twenty four
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Speaker 11: to seven, you know, fifty two weeks a year. Otherwise
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Speaker 11: I hate you because you're rich or whatever. Having said that,
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Speaker 11: it'd be very interesting to go back and look at
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Speaker 11: some of nine's coverage of Scott Morrison's holidays during I'm
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Speaker 11: more literally inferno than be interesting to say if if
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Speaker 11: nine were equally kind to that overseas joint as, no
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Speaker 11: doubt they will be to my says, but I think
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Speaker 11: you know so soon after. I mean, you know, the
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Speaker 11: ink is barely dry.
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Speaker 1: It's not.
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Speaker 2: Really Now, look, I want to get to this because
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Speaker 2: thousands of trivial calls to New South Wales ambulance paramedics
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Speaker 2: are putting a huge strain on the service now. The
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph reports this is just bizarre. There's been more
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Speaker 2: than five hundred calls for constipation, toothaches, earaches, boils, people
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Speaker 2: who can't sleep, even hiccups.
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Speaker 1: Liz, what on earth is going on here?
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Speaker 2: Seriously stop using ambulance services for trivial matters?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, but also what the hell is going on in
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Speaker 6: the call center? If I'm working for trivial zero and
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Speaker 6: you get through to me and you say And this
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Speaker 6: was also mentioned in the article. There's a pimple on
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Speaker 6: my back that I can't reach, so I'm calling an ambulance.
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Speaker 1: Surely you go. We don't send them for constipation.
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Speaker 6: We don't send them for a pimple on your back
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Speaker 6: you can't reach. Like obviously, it's a systemic breakdown here
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Speaker 6: where it's a problem that could be easily fixed. Also,
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Speaker 6: second and last point is there's certain people with certain
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Speaker 6: permits that mean they don't pay for the pension. Is
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Speaker 6: one of them, yes? Or a Commonwealth Health card you
19:20
Speaker 6: don't pay for ambos? And so one wonders, even though
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Speaker 6: there's not a breakdown of the demographic, who are obviously
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Speaker 6: the guilty party making all these ridiculous calls and.
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Speaker 1: Tying up the services.
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Speaker 6: One wonders, are they people who are holders of one
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Speaker 6: of these permits? Therefore they're abusing the system because they know, well,
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Speaker 6: for me, they.
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Speaker 1: Can get away with it. They can get away with it.
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Speaker 11: Problem alike, they're old and vulnerable, and they're scared, and
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Speaker 11: they don't have anyone else to call. And I think
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Speaker 11: the operator would probably feel if this person keeps insisting
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Speaker 11: despite me recommend.
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Speaker 1: Mere vulnerable, you know.
19:51
Speaker 11: What I'm going to do I'm going to start driving
19:53
Speaker 11: an uber and get a giant bulk box of mover.
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Speaker 1: Call you know, Madam.
20:06
Speaker 11: Nobody has to.
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Speaker 1: Know, Madam.
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Speaker 2: Five hundred callouts Joe for constipation. There you go. How
20:13
Speaker 2: did we get to this topic? Joe Hilda Bradley's story.
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Speaker 1: Good to have you both on. Thank you so much
20:18
Speaker 1: for joining me. We'll stay with us coming up after
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Speaker 1: the break.
20:21
Speaker 2: Support slips for both major parties as the cost of
20:25
Speaker 2: living crisis looms large plus Stage three tax cuts, minimum
20:29
Speaker 2: wage increases, and energy bill rebates. What all the changes
20:33
Speaker 2: being introduced to mark the new financial year mean for you?
20:36
Speaker 1: That's next, Welcome back. Well.
20:41
Speaker 2: News poll results show support for both the Coalition and
20:45
Speaker 2: Labor has fallen. Following a bitter row over energy wars.
20:49
Speaker 2: Alban Easy and Dutton have returned to near record levels
20:52
Speaker 2: of dissatisfaction with voters for this term. On a two
20:56
Speaker 2: party preferred basis, Labor gained ground over the Coalition fifth
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Speaker 2: one to forty nine compared to the fifty to fifty
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Speaker 2: recorded in the previous News poll three weeks ago. However,
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Speaker 2: the contest over the better Prime Minister remained unchanged at
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Speaker 2: forty six percent to thirty eight percent in Anthony Albanesi's favor,
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Speaker 2: the tightest margin between the two leaders since the last
21:19
Speaker 2: federal election. To tackle this and more, let's bring in
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Speaker 2: GXO Strategies director Cameron Milner Karen Greig to see you,
21:26
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Look, this was supposed to be a huge day for labor.
21:30
Speaker 2: Their tax cuts, their energy rebates came into force.
21:33
Speaker 1: We've got this news poll. What do you make of
21:36
Speaker 1: the results?
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Speaker 12: Well, Newspole shouldn't be any great surprise because the cost
21:41
Speaker 12: of living is the number one issue, number two and
21:43
Speaker 12: number three issue for voters out there, and the last
21:46
Speaker 12: week voters haven't heard either those things mentioned by the leaders.
21:49
Speaker 12: Peter Dutton was bold with nuclear energy, but that was
21:52
Speaker 12: a distraction from cost of living and the Prime Minister.
21:55
Speaker 12: The Prime ministers stood there being emasculated by a Muslim
21:58
Speaker 12: senator from the backbench.
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Speaker 4: He was humiliated in terms.
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Speaker 12: Of her crossing the floor on the vote last week
22:03
Speaker 12: and decided to reprimand her then sanction it.
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Speaker 4: Then ask a dot to come to a meeting.
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Speaker 12: I mean, the Prime Minister is so totally distracted from
22:10
Speaker 12: the number one issue of cost a living in voter's eyes,
22:13
Speaker 12: because while senator payment and the Greens become political bedfellows
22:17
Speaker 12: over Palestine.
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Speaker 4: The Primis are saying that what she could all go
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Speaker 4: past him. It's appalling.
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Speaker 12: So people don't reward people who don't look after number
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Speaker 12: one issue. Number one issue is cost of living. Peter
22:26
Speaker 12: Dutton was distracted on nuclear energy and the Prime Minister
22:29
Speaker 12: was just weak and totally distracted. That's why neither party
22:33
Speaker 12: got rewarded by voter As a newspop.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a really good point, and I do
22:37
Speaker 2: want to ask you about Fatima payment. But just in
22:39
Speaker 2: terms of this poll, what does it suggest in terms
22:42
Speaker 2: of the energy wars that we've particularly seen in the
22:45
Speaker 2: last two weeks since the Coalition announced its nuclear policy.
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Speaker 12: Well, the problem with the nuclear policy is it's probably
22:53
Speaker 12: the right policy and the right debate for Australia to have.
22:55
Speaker 12: We should actually discuss how we provide energy through to
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Speaker 12: twenty fifty fifty, so far away. People are worried about
23:01
Speaker 12: next week and next month's power bills and what's happening
23:04
Speaker 12: to their cost of living. So it's too far dated
23:06
Speaker 12: for people to be concerned about the problem right here
23:08
Speaker 12: right now, especially when news last week was that we
23:11
Speaker 12: might not have any interest rate relief for another year,
23:13
Speaker 12: and in fact interest rates might go up under Albanie
23:16
Speaker 12: because he's flooded the economy with cash, flooded the economy
23:19
Speaker 12: of cash, and.
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Speaker 4: If RBA raises rates, Albow will be out.
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Speaker 2: I spoke earlier Cameron about just how extreme and dangerous
23:29
Speaker 2: the Greens as a party have become. But according to
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Speaker 2: this News poll they're both lifted two points to thirteen percent.
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Speaker 2: That's actually the highest level of support since the election.
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Speaker 1: I'm really confused by this.
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Speaker 2: Why are people looking at the Greens, Why are they
23:44
Speaker 2: polling so well?
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Speaker 9: Well?
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Speaker 12: Unfortunately, and we're seeing it out there in Australia. There
23:50
Speaker 12: are an awful lot of anti Semitic people. There are
23:52
Speaker 12: awful lot of jew haters, and the Greens are their
23:54
Speaker 12: party of choice.
23:55
Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 12: The Greens are out there defending the actions of people
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Speaker 12: who graffiti the war memorial, who have violent rallies at
24:02
Speaker 12: the Opera House and call call for genocide. This is
24:06
Speaker 12: a disgusting part of Australian history in terms of where
24:08
Speaker 12: their Prime Minister Australia is not standing up for the
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Speaker 12: Jewish community. He goes to Jewish fundraisers, he's happy to
24:13
Speaker 12: take their money, just not stand up for them when
24:15
Speaker 12: it really counts. But the Greens are harnessing and harboring
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Speaker 12: Jew haters and Andti Semites, and that's what's driving their vote.
24:23
Speaker 12: People who hate Jews are driving the Greens vote.
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Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's a concern, Cameron, when you
24:29
Speaker 2: think about the prospect of a minority government with Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanesi as the Prime Minister and then the de facto
24:36
Speaker 2: Prime Minister as Adam Band. I mean, that's a disaster
24:40
Speaker 2: for this country absolutely.
24:43
Speaker 12: And a band is an extremist and has extreme views
24:46
Speaker 12: and has already been holding the Labor government to ransom.
24:50
Speaker 12: As we have two seats in the Lower House. Goodness
24:52
Speaker 12: knows what they would look like if he actually had
24:54
Speaker 12: the driver's seat of not only of the Senate but
24:56
Speaker 12: also the Lower House. And that's what voters have got
24:58
Speaker 12: to be conscious of when it comes to next election
25:00
Speaker 12: and how they vote.
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Speaker 2: Now, Cameron, before we let you go, let's talk about
25:05
Speaker 2: Fatima Payman. Anthony Albanezi is resisting taking further action against
25:10
Speaker 2: the rogue senator. He's really been a wilted lettuce leaf
25:13
Speaker 2: on this issue from the start. Now she claimed this
25:15
Speaker 2: afternoon that she's been exiled, Why won't he just expel her?
25:22
Speaker 12: He should, He should sack he or she should resign.
25:24
Speaker 12: If he was any stronger as a human being, he'd
25:26
Speaker 12: actually called for that to happen. But no, instead we're
25:29
Speaker 12: dealing with weak albow, week Albow and Israel, week alba
25:32
Speaker 12: in Palestine, week albow in China, and week alapo on.
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Speaker 12: A minor minority back bench Muslim senator from West Australia
25:40
Speaker 12: who has already called Israel out.
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Speaker 4: For genocide, which was disgusting.
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Speaker 12: She should have gone for that anyway, has now crossed
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Speaker 12: the floor and said she'll do it again.
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Speaker 13: Now.
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Speaker 4: She shouldn't just be exiled, she should be expelled.
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Speaker 2: I just wonder if they're both playing games against each
25:53
Speaker 2: other waiting for one or the other to make the
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Speaker 2: first move to expel her, or will she walk?
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Speaker 1: I mean it's just like Denise.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Denika, if you're the Prime Minister of Australia, you
26:03
Speaker 12: take action, if you're strongly, you take strong action, and
26:06
Speaker 12: elbow is neither.
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Speaker 1: Your spot on. Cameron Milner, I completely agree with you, Caaren.
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Speaker 1: We have to leave it there. Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for joining us on the show. This evening. Appreciate it well.
26:16
Speaker 2: Today mark's the end of the financial year and the
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Speaker 2: start of labor so called cost of living relief with
26:22
Speaker 2: tax through Stage three tax cuts as the centerpiece. You know,
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Speaker 2: the ones Labor promised that they wouldn't change then did.
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Speaker 1: Now, whatever the change, it won't go far in this climate.
26:32
Speaker 2: New data actually shows the number of New South Wales
26:34
Speaker 2: households forced onto hardship plans because they can't pay their
26:38
Speaker 2: energy bills has risen by ninety seven percent since the
26:42
Speaker 2: last federal election.
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Speaker 1: That's the highest of any state.
26:45
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, inflation is now four percent, and that is even
26:49
Speaker 2: before these state and federal stimulus measures have come into force. Now,
26:53
Speaker 2: Labor has consistently assured us that their policy is air
26:56
Speaker 2: tight and will not drive inflation. Not the gym chart
27:00
Speaker 2: is doing much to reassure us.
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Speaker 12: Well, we are confident, but not complacent about inflation in
27:05
Speaker 12: our economy.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Judo Bank chief Economic Advisor, Warren Hogan.
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Speaker 1: Now, Warren, thank.
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Speaker 2: You so much for joining us on the show this evening.
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Speaker 2: We got these Stage three tax cuts today, long awaited.
27:17
Speaker 2: Is this the right time do you think to be
27:19
Speaker 2: providing families with income tax cuts.
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Speaker 5: Well, thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, I
27:25
Speaker 5: think there's no better time to be getting tax cuts.
27:27
Speaker 5: And the reason I say that is not just because
27:29
Speaker 5: of how tough people are doing it out there, but
27:32
Speaker 5: our income tax take has got back to record levels,
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Speaker 5: back to the levels we saw in the year two
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Speaker 5: thousand when the GST was introduced. Now the GST ten
27:41
Speaker 5: percent was brought in. The trade off was that we
27:44
Speaker 5: got a big tax cut, much bigger than anything we
27:46
Speaker 5: got today. But of course the taxes have crept back up,
27:49
Speaker 5: particularly in the last few years on bracket creep, and
27:52
Speaker 5: we've now just got this really high personal income tax
27:55
Speaker 5: burden again. So I'm very in favor of tax cuts
27:57
Speaker 5: for that reason. The question is time, you know, is
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Speaker 5: this the right time? And of course it's not, because
28:04
Speaker 5: we are trying to get this inflation down, we're trying
28:06
Speaker 5: to get rid of this cost of living crisis, and
28:09
Speaker 5: we're right on a knife edge. The economy has slowed,
28:11
Speaker 5: for sure, but we're still creating jobs. They're still demanding
28:14
Speaker 5: the economy, and this will add to that demand and
28:17
Speaker 5: will potentially make the RBA's job harder. They're very resistant
28:20
Speaker 5: to raising interest rates and if they keep resisting and
28:25
Speaker 5: then we end up with much worse inflation. Not only
28:28
Speaker 5: is that making the cost of living crisis worse, but
28:30
Speaker 5: rates might have to go up a lot more next
28:32
Speaker 5: to year. So it's not great timing. I think when
28:34
Speaker 5: the government was going through all of this earlier in
28:36
Speaker 5: the year, the economy looked on track, but right now
28:38
Speaker 5: it's sexually looking like it's quite risky.
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Speaker 2: For them, which is a huge concern, and the government
28:42
Speaker 2: is adding cost of living measures of course, on top of.
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Speaker 1: These tax cuts. Isn't that making it worse?
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Speaker 4: I think it is.
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Speaker 5: And I think again at the beginning of the year,
28:51
Speaker 5: when the budget was all framed up and they came
28:53
Speaker 5: to the decisions around the cost of living measures, I
28:56
Speaker 5: think they thought the economy was going to be a
28:57
Speaker 5: lot weaker than it's turned out to be. Things shifted
28:59
Speaker 5: a lot between basically February and the budget in May.
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Speaker 5: That is, we've got a lot more employment growth than
29:04
Speaker 5: we thought we were going to get. We've since known
29:06
Speaker 5: that the inflation has been stickier, higher and not looking
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Speaker 5: like it's going down. So I just it was a
29:12
Speaker 5: risky strategy, I think in the first place, because there
29:14
Speaker 5: was no done deal that this economy was really weak
29:16
Speaker 5: and falling into a hole, and that that support was needed.
29:19
Speaker 5: But now it looks like it's sort of a little
29:21
Speaker 5: bit dangerous from an inflation point of view. Look, it's
29:24
Speaker 5: important that people get this support because it's horrendous what's
29:26
Speaker 5: happened in the last three years. People's standard of living
29:29
Speaker 5: has gone backwards big time. But the priority has got
29:32
Speaker 5: to be to get rid of the inflation. And I
29:34
Speaker 5: think this and the States, I mean, the States really
29:37
Speaker 5: shouldn't be playing in this play playground with providing cost
29:41
Speaker 5: of living measures, but they have, particularly in Queens Lanes exactly.
29:45
Speaker 5: And yeah, look, it all remains to be seen. But
29:48
Speaker 5: if later in the year we've got an economy that's
29:50
Speaker 5: stubbornly sort of not getting rid of this inflation, or
29:53
Speaker 5: if inflation's picking up again, it'll be a disaster. Let's
29:56
Speaker 5: hope that's not the way it plays out. There's a
29:59
Speaker 5: lot of uncertain around this, but yeah, it's a risky
30:02
Speaker 5: policy strategy.
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Speaker 1: So why is the government doing this?
30:04
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't it making it just so likely that
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Speaker 2: the RBA will indeed rates.
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Speaker 1: In the near term.
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Speaker 5: Look, I think, as I said, I think they thought
30:12
Speaker 5: it wasn't. I think they thought it was politically smart
30:14
Speaker 5: to have an election and the economy would be soft,
30:17
Speaker 5: and that everything was on track. And it sort of
30:18
Speaker 5: looked like that January, February, even early March. But things
30:22
Speaker 5: have changed. But look, we may end up getting some
30:25
Speaker 5: rate hikes, and I think most political analysts would say
30:28
Speaker 5: that's bad news for the government. For Elbow, that remains
30:32
Speaker 5: to be seen. But we have to get rid of
30:36
Speaker 5: the inflation, that's the cost of living crisis, and it
30:38
Speaker 5: looks like these interest rates are not high enough to
30:41
Speaker 5: do that.
30:41
Speaker 1: So when can we give it. When do you think in.
30:43
Speaker 4: The next Well, I think August.
30:45
Speaker 5: If they're not going to go in August, then maybe
30:48
Speaker 5: it's another six months away, or maybe we get out
30:50
Speaker 5: of this without a rate hike. I mean, it's no
30:52
Speaker 5: done deal, but August is certainly the absolute focus. Now
30:55
Speaker 5: we're four weeks away, and it's the quarterly inflation number
30:57
Speaker 5: at the end of this month that'll determine that.
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Speaker 2: All eyes on August then, But in the meantime, it's
31:02
Speaker 2: tough out there still. Warren Hogan, good to speak with
31:04
Speaker 2: you as always. Thank you so much for joining us
31:05
Speaker 2: on the show this evening. We're coming up after the break.
31:08
Speaker 2: Sam Moston sworn in as one of Australia's.
31:11
Speaker 1: Soon to be highest paid governor generals. That's next.
31:18
Speaker 2: Welcome back, well, Anthony Albanezie's wilted lettuce leaf response to rogue.
31:23
Speaker 2: Fatima Payman appears to have emboldened the Senator after crossing
31:27
Speaker 2: the floor last week and then threatening again yesterday to
31:30
Speaker 2: do so. Albow finally suspended her, but haven't listened to
31:34
Speaker 2: his bizarre commentary this morning.
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Speaker 14: No individual is bigger than the team. Fatim Payman is
31:43
Speaker 14: welcome to return to participating in the team if she
31:48
Speaker 14: excepts she's a member of it.
31:50
Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in a headline Advisory director Andrew Carswell
31:54
Speaker 2: and sky Ney's host James McPherson.
31:56
Speaker 1: High for both of you.
31:57
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us this evening, Andrew. Afternoon,
32:00
Speaker 2: Fatima payment declared that she's been exiled and will abstain
32:04
Speaker 2: from all votes this week in the Senate.
32:07
Speaker 1: Is she running rings around the Prime Minister? Do you think?
32:12
Speaker 4: Well?
32:12
Speaker 15: I think this episode highlights once again the weakness of
32:16
Speaker 15: Anthony Alberanesi's leadership and his poor judgment. No matter what
32:20
Speaker 15: you think of Senator payment's views on Palestine.
32:24
Speaker 1: No matter what you think of.
32:25
Speaker 15: Labour's frankly outdated policy when it comes to party solidarity
32:31
Speaker 15: in their caucus, this reflects poorly on Anthony Alberzi and
32:35
Speaker 15: his failure to act quickly on what is a very
32:39
Speaker 15: clear rule within the party. Now, if this was a
32:42
Speaker 15: fifty year old male, white male from Tasmania or the
32:47
Speaker 15: outer suburbs of Melbourne, they would have been gone out
32:50
Speaker 15: of the party before they had a chance to return
32:52
Speaker 15: to their seat on that side of the House. But
32:55
Speaker 15: this is a young female Muslim making a stand for Palestine.
33:00
Speaker 15: We know Anthony Aberezi goes weak at the knees on
33:03
Speaker 15: this issue, so it's a poor reflection on him. And
33:06
Speaker 15: there's also there's part of the blame and responsibility on
33:10
Speaker 15: senator payments shoulders here as well. She had every opportunity
33:13
Speaker 15: to raise these issues in caucus, every opportunity to take
33:17
Speaker 15: the microphone and make a stand on this issue, but
33:20
Speaker 15: she didn't. So was this all a stunt?
33:23
Speaker 1: It absolutely was a stunt, There's no doubt about it.
33:25
Speaker 2: And James, why won't the Prime Minister just expel her
33:29
Speaker 2: or why won't.
33:30
Speaker 1: She just defect to the Cross bend. Are they playing
33:32
Speaker 1: each other off here?
33:34
Speaker 16: Look on this issue, Anthony Alberanzi is making Joe.
33:36
Speaker 4: Biden look sharp as attack.
33:38
Speaker 16: Oh dear Alberanzi should have done this immediately when she
33:42
Speaker 16: first defied him. But typical of Anthony Alberanzi, he's late
33:46
Speaker 16: to the party and then when he gets there he's
33:48
Speaker 16: still not quite sure what to do. Even today, he's
33:51
Speaker 16: blaming her not for crossing the floor on the issue
33:53
Speaker 16: of Palestine, but for distracting from the focus on tax cuts.
33:58
Speaker 16: As was said, reasons why he's not expelling her, she's
34:02
Speaker 16: a young person, she's a young woman, she's a young
34:05
Speaker 16: female Muslim. So for those reasons, Anthony Albinizi is treading
34:09
Speaker 16: very carefully because they are very aware of the Muslim
34:12
Speaker 16: vote in Western Sydney and this is a hot issue
34:15
Speaker 16: as to why Senator Payman won't defect to the cross benches.
34:19
Speaker 1: Do you think she's crazy. There's no way she's going anywhere.
34:21
Speaker 16: She's got national attention right now for her sole issue
34:26
Speaker 16: that she wants to focus on events in Gaza. She's
34:28
Speaker 16: not going anywhere. She will milk this for all its worth.
34:32
Speaker 16: She's absolutely playing Albansi on a break.
34:34
Speaker 1: And he's looking weaker and weaker each day. But I
34:36
Speaker 1: do agree.
34:37
Speaker 2: I think Western Sydney is playing a very big part in.
34:40
Speaker 1: What we have seen over the last week.
34:42
Speaker 2: Let's move on, because Sam Mouston has been sworn in
34:45
Speaker 2: today as Australia's twenty eighth Governor General.
34:47
Speaker 1: Now Here she was outlining her vision for the new role.
34:51
Speaker 10: I will be an optimistic, modern and visible Governor General,
34:55
Speaker 10: committed to the service and contribution that all Australians expect
34:58
Speaker 10: and deserve from the hold of this office.
35:02
Speaker 2: Well, you'd be pretty optimistic, wouldn't you if you'd just
35:04
Speaker 2: got a two hundred thousand dollars pay rise. I mean,
35:06
Speaker 2: currently the Governor General receives an annual salary of four
35:10
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five thousand, but as you can see
35:13
Speaker 2: there on your screen, it's going to go right up
35:15
Speaker 2: to seven hundred and nine.
35:16
Speaker 1: Thousand under a new proposal.
35:19
Speaker 2: Andrew, look, what do you make of this appointment and
35:22
Speaker 2: this rather tone deaf pay rise.
35:27
Speaker 15: Well, I think Sam's a great choice for GG and
35:30
Speaker 15: I think she proved that today. I think she got
35:32
Speaker 15: off to an incredibly strong start. She was full of grace,
35:35
Speaker 15: full of passion, full of power and full of empathy.
35:38
Speaker 15: Today it was a shame that this first day and
35:42
Speaker 15: the lead up to this day has been overshadowed by
35:45
Speaker 15: a very poor decision from the Albanezi government to lift
35:49
Speaker 15: the rate of pay for the Governor General to an
35:51
Speaker 15: extraordinary level in the middle of a cost of living crisis.
35:54
Speaker 15: I mean, it is such poor judgment and that has
35:57
Speaker 15: nothing to do with Sam. It's all to do with
35:58
Speaker 15: Anthony Albanesi. I mean, this role is not one where
36:01
Speaker 15: you can come and feather your nest. It is a
36:03
Speaker 15: chance to give back to the Australia that has done
36:06
Speaker 15: well by you. That is the opportunity afforded to the
36:10
Speaker 15: Governor General. It's not about pay, and Anthony Aveneze should
36:13
Speaker 15: know better to expect that SAM would demand any rate
36:18
Speaker 15: of pay to this level. This has nothing to do
36:20
Speaker 15: with Sam and all to do with Anthony Abnez's poor choice.
36:23
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
36:24
Speaker 2: I mean, it's completely overshadowed the appointment and the announcement
36:28
Speaker 2: of the new Governor General. But you know, James, we've
36:30
Speaker 2: got labor out there July one, congratulating everyone.
36:33
Speaker 1: And you're going to get your tax cut.
36:35
Speaker 2: You'll get your extra pudnet of strawberries when you go
36:37
Speaker 2: to the grocery store, But is the only one laughing
36:40
Speaker 2: all the way to the bank the governor General.
36:43
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I mean, we're all optimistic today, but some
36:45
Speaker 16: of us are far more optimistic than others. I mean,
36:48
Speaker 16: I tell you what her speech, I was a little
36:51
Speaker 16: concerned when she talked about she's going to be a
36:53
Speaker 16: modern and visible governor general. I immediately think, what does
36:56
Speaker 16: that even mean? And then she talked about the fact
36:59
Speaker 16: of youman's issues, the importance of sexual and gender diversity.
37:04
Speaker 16: She talked about the problems with social media. It starts
37:07
Speaker 16: to sound a little bit like an activist governor general,
37:10
Speaker 16: which you know, really her role is to fulfill the
37:12
Speaker 16: duties of the constitution, cut Ribbons.
37:15
Speaker 4: No one wants her.
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Speaker 16: To be speaking about all of these social issues. She
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Speaker 16: also interestingly mentioned she wants to make a stand on inequality. Well,
37:24
Speaker 16: it's a bit rich to talk about inequality when you're
37:26
Speaker 16: taking a two hundred thousand dollar good pay rise. If
37:29
Speaker 16: you want to make a statement about inequality, refuse to
37:32
Speaker 16: take the moneyject say, you know what, it's a great
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Speaker 16: honor to serve this nation. Inequality is a major problem
37:37
Speaker 16: and my first step in addressing that is I'm going
37:39
Speaker 16: to refuse the pay rise in solidarity with my fellow
37:42
Speaker 16: Australians who are doing it tough. And we'd all say
37:45
Speaker 16: thanks God for the Governor General a.
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Speaker 2: Spot spot on exactly now, international students have been hit
37:51
Speaker 2: with a one hundred and twenty five percent increase in
37:53
Speaker 2: non refundable visa application fees as labor tries to slash
37:57
Speaker 2: migration numbers. Andrew, Look, this is key vote driving issue.
38:01
Speaker 2: We know there's been record migration levels in this country. Look,
38:05
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how far this will go to address that,
38:10
Speaker 2: but what do you think is it the right approach?
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Speaker 15: I think this is just a pure money grab, a
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Speaker 15: pure revenue raising exercise. It won't do anything to reduce
38:21
Speaker 15: the numbers of foreign students coming into this country. If
38:25
Speaker 15: you can afford to get here and a plane, afford
38:27
Speaker 15: to pay the fees, afford to pay the visas that
38:30
Speaker 15: currently stands, I'm sure you can afford a couple more
38:32
Speaker 15: hundred dollars for that, right. So it's a naked money
38:37
Speaker 15: grab from a government that's trying to show people that's
38:40
Speaker 15: addressing these issues because there is deep concern about the
38:43
Speaker 15: number of foreign students coming into this country. But we
38:45
Speaker 15: need to take a balance approach here too, because this
38:48
Speaker 15: is a thriving industry that the Australian economy relies on.
38:52
Speaker 15: But you've got to get the balance right between the
38:54
Speaker 15: economic benefits and not putting additional pressure on housing and infrastructure.
39:00
Speaker 15: And there's some measures that the government introducing in this
39:02
Speaker 15: space are good. For instance, to tying university universities who
39:08
Speaker 15: want to increase the numbers of foreign students with the
39:11
Speaker 15: placement of purpose built accommodation and housing on university land.
39:16
Speaker 15: That is a great policy.
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Speaker 1: This one it's just a money grab.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems like it's just an at hoc
39:22
Speaker 2: measure without any real solutions. Now this is interesting because
39:26
Speaker 2: Borderforce gave some twenty eight asylum seekers a modern speedboat
39:31
Speaker 2: for their return back to Indonesia after their original vessel
39:34
Speaker 2: was seized and destroyed in Australian waters. James, Look, the
39:40
Speaker 2: word would well and truly.
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Speaker 1: Be out there now that you go. You come here.
39:45
Speaker 2: If your boat breaks down and has any issues, don't worry,
39:48
Speaker 2: will ferry you back.
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Speaker 1: What message is this sending?
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Speaker 16: Well, I think the message is you won't come to Australia.
39:54
Speaker 16: You'll be sent home. The only argument is how you're
39:58
Speaker 16: sent home. Back in twenty fourteen, I think Tony Abbott's
40:00
Speaker 16: policy was to put people on effectively enclosed lifeboats that
40:04
Speaker 16: were stopped with food and water to get you back
40:06
Speaker 16: to where you'd come from. The Albanezi government seems to
40:09
Speaker 16: be giving away speed boats. It's probably still cheaper than
40:12
Speaker 16: housing those twenty eight to thirty people at Naaru for
40:15
Speaker 16: god knows how long. But imagine if you could get
40:17
Speaker 16: to Australia by land. You could rock up in a
40:19
Speaker 16: dats in one ady B and be sent home in
40:21
Speaker 16: a mercedeshould with that.
40:22
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be fantastic? What a revelation. Were almost out
40:25
Speaker 2: of time. But Andrew, what do you think about this?
40:29
Speaker 2: Is it bizarre? And do you think that it's the
40:31
Speaker 2: taxpayer that's going to be footing the bill for this
40:33
Speaker 2: ferry service.
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Speaker 15: I just think it's hilarious. After nine years of denigrating
40:40
Speaker 15: the previous government for boat turnbacks, they've suddenly woken up
40:44
Speaker 15: to the fact that this actually works. I mean, this
40:47
Speaker 15: policy is not pleasant, right, it's not pleasant enacting this policy,
40:51
Speaker 15: but it is so effective to stop what would be
40:55
Speaker 15: in a martter of boats coming to this country, clogging
40:58
Speaker 15: up our court system and filling up our immigration detention centers.
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Speaker 15: Thank goodness they've worken up to this good point.
41:05
Speaker 2: That's a fair point, Andrew Carswell, James McPherson, we have
41:08
Speaker 2: to leave it there. Thank you so much to both
41:10
Speaker 2: of you for your insights this evening were coming up.
41:12
Speaker 2: Democrats continue to stand by Joe Biden as his family
41:16
Speaker 2: urge him to stay the course after that disastrous debate
41:20
Speaker 2: performance that's next.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, after resembling a sick, mumbling and bubbling space cadet
41:30
Speaker 2: during the US presidential debate, it seems Democrats are rallying
41:34
Speaker 2: around Joe Biden. How can they seriously back this man
41:38
Speaker 2: to take them to November and even more concerningly, for
41:41
Speaker 2: another term.
41:43
Speaker 17: Nice to get away with you yet rid of the
41:46
Speaker 17: ability of medicare, to for the ability for the US
41:52
Speaker 17: to be able to do with the with the COVID,
41:56
Speaker 17: I could be with dealing with everything we have to
42:00
Speaker 17: do with. Look if we finally beat medicare.
42:08
Speaker 1: Oh it's uncomfortable, isn't it now?
42:10
Speaker 2: As expected, the Democrats are in damage control while the
42:13
Speaker 2: President spends the weekend at Camp David desperately trying to
42:17
Speaker 2: shield him from more stumbles and slip ups, and to
42:20
Speaker 2: no surprise, voter confidence in Biden since the debate is down.
42:24
Speaker 2: According to a CBS you Gav Pohl, twenty seven percent
42:28
Speaker 2: of registered voters believe the president has the mental and
42:31
Speaker 2: cognitive health does not have it rather to run again
42:36
Speaker 2: for more, Let's bring in Sky News contributor Kosher Garda
42:39
Speaker 2: Kosher good to see you as always. Look, there is
42:42
Speaker 2: no way surely that the Democrats can continue with Biden
42:46
Speaker 2: to November.
42:47
Speaker 1: How do you see this playing out?
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Speaker 13: You know, I think what happened last week last Friday
42:54
Speaker 13: Anika in this debate was a convergence of two big groups.
42:57
Speaker 13: Convergence of the high information concer of news and media
43:02
Speaker 13: who really knew this and it wasn't a surprise to
43:04
Speaker 13: them in terms of the cognitive decline of Biden and
43:06
Speaker 13: this other group of just everyday people who aren't in
43:09
Speaker 13: the weeds, and for them, I think this was quite
43:11
Speaker 13: a shock. The dam has broken, and that's why all
43:14
Speaker 13: the smart money says that they are going to try
43:16
Speaker 13: and change him out.
43:17
Speaker 9: It's not so simple. There is a process for it,
43:20
Speaker 9: but it's not as straightforward.
43:21
Speaker 13: There are many states where ballot deadlines to switch out
43:24
Speaker 13: a name have passed. There is a financial component where
43:28
Speaker 13: I think he's raised. Biden has raised almost up to
43:30
Speaker 13: two billion dollars, which cannot just automatically be transferred to
43:33
Speaker 13: somebody else. There's fec laws around that. And then politically
43:37
Speaker 13: there's the problem of his vice president, and you know,
43:39
Speaker 13: if you sidestep her with somebody else, a white male
43:42
Speaker 13: who in this party has crafted themselves around identity as
43:47
Speaker 13: a key factor in who they choose. That's another issue
43:49
Speaker 13: that they've got to get through. Notwithstanding that smart money
43:52
Speaker 13: seems to be that that's what they're going to try
43:53
Speaker 13: to do in this August convention.
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Speaker 9: The pressure is on.
43:56
Speaker 13: There is not consensus with the Democrats, but it seems
43:58
Speaker 13: to be had in that direction.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's been those reports, of course, that there's crisis
44:02
Speaker 2: talks happening at Camp David about what happens next. I
44:05
Speaker 2: want to ask you, though, there's been a lot of
44:07
Speaker 2: criticism leveled at Jill Biden, particularly, there's been some suggestions
44:12
Speaker 2: that she's the one actually pushing for him to continue
44:16
Speaker 2: in the race. Do you think that that criticism of
44:18
Speaker 2: her is fair in the context, you know.
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Speaker 9: It appears to be.
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Speaker 13: She really did not come out looking well at any
44:26
Speaker 13: of the past events where we've seen Biden's struggle on
44:30
Speaker 13: a human level. You know, I've got a lot of
44:31
Speaker 13: friends who are not in the weeds. They don't live
44:33
Speaker 13: and breathe the stuff the way you and I do.
44:35
Speaker 13: And the one thing they said to me after consistently
44:38
Speaker 13: after watching the debate was how could somebody do that?
44:41
Speaker 13: It was passing judgment, but how could a wife do
44:44
Speaker 13: that if somebody is at that level of cognitive decline,
44:47
Speaker 13: which we've all experienced, some family member another go through.
44:50
Speaker 13: And so I don't think that she's coming across very
44:52
Speaker 13: well from a human perspective, fairly or not. I think
44:56
Speaker 13: first Leady macbeth was trending on Twitter after the debate,
44:59
Speaker 13: which kind of gives sense of where some people are.
45:02
Speaker 13: Others see her as as very loyal, and she's she's
45:05
Speaker 13: saying that, you know, he is the rightful nominee. He
45:07
Speaker 13: won all the necessary delegates through their process, and she's
45:09
Speaker 13: not going to be pressured into having him stand down.
45:12
Speaker 13: So it depends how you look at it, but I
45:14
Speaker 13: think net she is not coming across well, just on
45:16
Speaker 13: a human level.
45:17
Speaker 9: To most people that I've spoken to, how.
45:19
Speaker 2: Do you think the Trump camp would be feeling after
45:22
Speaker 2: the debatement.
45:22
Speaker 1: They didn't really have to do much.
45:24
Speaker 2: I think Joe Biden certainly showed his lack of credibility
45:29
Speaker 2: by himself. But do you think that they would be thinking, well,
45:32
Speaker 2: this is a win. I mean, Trump's got his own issues.
45:34
Speaker 2: How do you think they'll be feeling.
45:37
Speaker 13: I think they saw it as definitely a win, just
45:40
Speaker 13: in terms of that convergence that I mentioned of the
45:42
Speaker 13: high information consumers and low information consumers coming together. He
45:46
Speaker 13: really laid bare or ripped the mask off for the
45:49
Speaker 13: wide swath of the public. Something like fifty million people
45:52
Speaker 13: tuned in live and another two hundred plus million people
45:55
Speaker 13: on the various social media platforms watch those key clips that.
45:58
Speaker 9: Went viral afterwards.
45:59
Speaker 13: So this is now out in the open, the cognitive
46:01
Speaker 13: decline issue, and that can only help him. On the
46:04
Speaker 13: other hand, you know, many would say that the Trump
46:06
Speaker 13: camp gave Joe Biden a free pass because typically the
46:09
Speaker 13: debates don't happen in June this early, when the nominees
46:12
Speaker 13: aren't officially confirmed, and if he ends up not being
46:15
Speaker 13: the nominee. Then Trump has debated somebody who's not even
46:18
Speaker 13: the nominee. So there is an argument that it happened
46:21
Speaker 13: too soon, and if this leads to a switch out
46:23
Speaker 13: with somebody more formidable, then that could potentially backfire for him.
46:27
Speaker 13: But I think net he felt that it was time,
46:30
Speaker 13: or the Trump team felt it was time to expose
46:32
Speaker 13: this very blatant issue to the American people, and you
46:35
Speaker 13: know that's the move he made. And right now he's
46:37
Speaker 13: only up, up and up in the polls ince that debate.
46:40
Speaker 1: Well, he certainly, you know, he didn't even have to try.
46:42
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, Joe Biden struggled from the very moment
46:45
Speaker 2: he opened his mouth. Do you think that we will
46:47
Speaker 2: see another debate between the two of them or is
46:49
Speaker 2: it safe to say it's all but rolled out.
46:54
Speaker 13: I would be surprised right now that officially there's going
46:57
Speaker 13: to be this debate in September, And as of this present, Biden,
47:00
Speaker 13: as defiant, says he's not backing out of the nomination
47:03
Speaker 13: and he will.
47:03
Speaker 9: Do that debate.
47:05
Speaker 13: I'm not sure that it's in the interests of the
47:07
Speaker 13: Trump team to do another debate because it'll be more
47:09
Speaker 13: of the same and they accomplish their goal of exposing
47:12
Speaker 13: the feebleness and the cognitive decline of the president to
47:15
Speaker 13: the American people, and I'm not sure that there's any
47:18
Speaker 13: merit or value in them.
47:19
Speaker 9: Doing another one in September.
47:20
Speaker 13: If they switch Biden out, of course, then it's a
47:22
Speaker 13: whole other ballgame.
47:24
Speaker 9: Yeah.
47:24
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Look, before we let you go, the younger and
47:27
Speaker 2: now convicted Biden has spoken out to support his father.
47:30
Speaker 2: Hunter is pushing for his father to stay in the
47:32
Speaker 2: race and claims that it was a bad night for
47:35
Speaker 2: him and he wishes that people could see the scrappy
47:37
Speaker 2: and command of the facts man he knows. I can't
47:40
Speaker 2: imagine that the support of a recent convict is going
47:43
Speaker 2: to do much for the US president either, but I
47:45
Speaker 2: guess we can't be surprised that the family is rallying
47:48
Speaker 2: around Biden at this point.
47:51
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's something about family solidarity and loyalty that has
47:55
Speaker 13: an appeal and on a human level, people can understand
47:58
Speaker 13: that and appreciate that Hunter by and obviously is a
48:00
Speaker 13: very checkered has a very checkered reputation in the public
48:03
Speaker 13: eye right now, as do many of the other Bidens
48:05
Speaker 13: in the family. Some cynical people are saying that a
48:08
Speaker 13: part of the reason is self preservation because he is
48:11
Speaker 13: a convicted felon. Now, he's got another case on the
48:13
Speaker 13: docket in September, and if his father remains president, then
48:16
Speaker 13: there's a pathway to receiving a pardon for any sentence
48:19
Speaker 13: that he would serve. Even though the President said he
48:21
Speaker 13: would not pardon him, that remains. So maybe that's coloring it.
48:24
Speaker 13: Maybe it's a mix of family solidarity. Who knows, but
48:27
Speaker 13: I agree with you, I don't think that's going to
48:29
Speaker 13: move the needle much in terms of regaining the faith
48:31
Speaker 13: of the American people.
48:33
Speaker 1: We'll tell you what.
48:33
Speaker 2: It's been a fascinating few days, but that debate was
48:36
Speaker 2: just uncomfortable from start to end. Kosha Ghana. Great to
48:39
Speaker 2: have you on. Thank you so much for joining us.
48:42
Speaker 9: Pleasure.
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Speaker 1: That's all we've got time for today.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back again at eight pm tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: It's stay tuned. Paul Murray is up next.