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The myth of the demon boy and how we justify mistreatment of boys | Maintaining Frame 146 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Yet another video thought piece on the Netflix series Adolescents
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  Speaker 1: documentary documentary the documentary Sorry I misspoke, documentary slash fictional
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  Speaker 1: account true.
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  Speaker 2: Complex non fictionalized happened.
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  Speaker 1: You can't deny it because of how well shot it was,
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  Speaker 1: But anyway.
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  Speaker 2: To find anecdotal evidence that it is correct, because there
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  Speaker 2: have been boys, white boys who have stabbed people or
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  Speaker 2: in schools, it has happened. So I'll have girls, by.
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  Speaker 1: The way, but that's not boys.
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  Speaker 2: That's not important.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's that's not really the point here. So misogyny.
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  Speaker 1: We we are here to shoot on men, and white
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  Speaker 1: men in particular, because if we shoit on white men
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  Speaker 1: without anybody like taking issue with it, we can shoot
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  Speaker 1: on the rest of men because we will have already
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  Speaker 1: set the precedent by shitting on white men. So ultimately
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  Speaker 1: this is about all men. But we start with the
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  Speaker 1: men that it's permissible to attack, and then you just
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  Speaker 1: sort of like open up your you widen your net
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  Speaker 1: little by little, and all of a sudden you can
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  Speaker 1: just cast it wherever. And if there is a racially
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  Speaker 1: inconvenient component to your shitting on men, then you just
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  Speaker 1: start from oh, well, it's just a male problem and
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  Speaker 1: then you can, like you know it, you stay safe
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  Speaker 1: and you never actually make anything better. You never address anything,
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  Speaker 1: because why would you You need things to get worse
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  Speaker 1: so that you can justify your paycheck. You can justify
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  Speaker 1: getting getting paycheck big after paycheck, getting tenure, getting promotions,
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  Speaker 1: staying in office, whatever it is that you're looking for,
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  Speaker 1: uh or just growing more subscribers on your YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna be looking at a video called this
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  Speaker 1: is what Happens when boys aren't taught how to lose
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  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity in adolescence and the YouTube channel I'm not
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  Speaker 1: not no lie. Okay. The name of the YouTube channel
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  Speaker 1: is literally paranoia, but there's nothing paranoid happening here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know if anybody in the chat
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  Speaker 1: has seen this video. I watched it because I had
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  Speaker 1: to prepare for the show and my blood is boiling.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna try to keep from becoming emotional, even
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  Speaker 1: though this video would tell me that I should but
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  Speaker 1: be allowed to become emotional, but not that way, not
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  Speaker 1: like you know, not righteous indignation. That's not cool. I
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  Speaker 1: should just cry. I should just cry and accept that
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  Speaker 1: I'm a loser. That's kind of what that's why it says,
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  Speaker 1: this is what happens when boys aren't taught how to lose.
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  Speaker 1: Just lose, Guys, just lose and and things will work out.
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  Speaker 1: Women will respect you if you do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll get a date. Just lose, Just be a loser. Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, yes, okay. But it's interesting though, It's like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't how much do how many generations of boys
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  Speaker 2: have to lose before retribution has had for whatever happened
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  Speaker 2: in the past, so that we can conjecture or pretend
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  Speaker 2: that happened in the past. Like, this is the real question.
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  Speaker 2: At what point do boys get theirs?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at what point well, I mean when if
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  Speaker 1: they just decide to do it, it just gets done.
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  Speaker 1: So like if like you're lucky, honestly, you're lucky that
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  Speaker 1: they're just checking out. Yeah, because if boys get to
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  Speaker 1: the point where they're like, you know what, we're taking
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  Speaker 1: the power back, they're just gonna take it and women
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  Speaker 1: can't do a damn thing about it. And you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna weep. I'm just gonna say you should
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  Speaker 1: have listened. And that's it. Like I don't know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know what to do, Like there's nothing,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that I take any joy in
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  Speaker 1: any of this. It's just like you're just gonna keep
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  Speaker 1: doing this, and at some point boys are gonna be like, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I think we're just gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: like put things in check now, and they will and
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  Speaker 1: if they do, like women can't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: So like that all of this is predicated on the
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  Speaker 1: idea that men could take away women's rights now if
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  Speaker 1: they chose to, And the only reason why it hasn't
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  Speaker 1: happened is because they haven't chose to, and it's because
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  Speaker 1: they still think women care about them.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, every society, women sort of define what is in
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  Speaker 2: some ways the purpose or not like, the worth of
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  Speaker 2: men's actions in protecting and providing for women. And what
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  Speaker 2: feminists specifically are attacking is this kind of idea that
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  Speaker 2: boys can develop a unique value in certain like they
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  Speaker 2: have something unique to give in service to society. And
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  Speaker 2: when you attack that, you basically decouple boy's identity to
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  Speaker 2: the society your well, you know, and once you've done that,
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  Speaker 2: you eventually just lose control over the whole thing. It
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  Speaker 2: just spins out of control. And I mean because the
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  Speaker 2: thing is that yes, men can are the ones who
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  Speaker 2: ultimately are the ones are the ones who defend and
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  Speaker 2: provide rights in society. However, most men in our society
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  Speaker 2: at this point in time define their self worse in
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  Speaker 2: terms of providing for women these kind of almost they're
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  Speaker 2: not even physical things and they more they're like psychological
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  Speaker 2: resources of rights. So I think that ultimately what would
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  Speaker 2: happen is there's gonna be generations of boys who aren't
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  Speaker 2: connected to that that whole identity in terms of providing
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  Speaker 2: women's rights. And this is something like that the last
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  Speaker 2: century it was actually men who spearheaded all of this. Nope, no,
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  Speaker 2: like like they they were the ones who are most
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  Speaker 2: likely to want to see women get the vote. Women
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  Speaker 2: were like no. So it's like this this idea that
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  Speaker 2: our society created the identity for men where they afford
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  Speaker 2: women these psychological resources rather than physical resources known as rights.
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  Speaker 2: Except and I think ultimately what we'll see happen is
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  Speaker 2: that the people who will end up continuing to fight
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  Speaker 2: for women's rights will be men even as this entire
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  Speaker 2: system collapses, because that's how they've identified their self worth.
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  Speaker 2: But then there will be a whole bunch of men
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  Speaker 2: who've checked out and other men who just don't give
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  Speaker 2: a damn. But it's like in Afghanistan, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: did the men do? They fought to the death. What
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  Speaker 2: did the women do? They went out and bob berca
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  Speaker 2: And it's because those men identified with that particular form
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  Speaker 2: of giving women something. And that's the unfortunate truth of
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  Speaker 2: it all. So I think it's a little more complicated
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  Speaker 2: than boys will just take away women's rights. It's that
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  Speaker 2: women will cut their connection to those things as being
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  Speaker 2: giving them a positive sense of self. Like feminists say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you don't get it, you don't get a
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  Speaker 2: thank you, what's the that's the bare minimum. We should
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  Speaker 2: have always had our rights. You took them away in
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  Speaker 2: the first place. What gave you the right to be?
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  Speaker 2: You know? And all of that stuff. So they won't
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  Speaker 2: even recognize that men who give women their rights in
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  Speaker 2: the context of a Western system are positive.
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  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 2: They're cutting that connection. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, My point was not that I wasn't making a prediction.
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  Speaker 1: I was saying that if it gets to the point
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  Speaker 1: where that happens, then people will act surprised, that's all,
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  Speaker 1: and there won't be anything they can do about it,
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  Speaker 1: even though yes, it will be men that will stand up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like essentially defend women at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, and it will become a thing that kills men,
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  Speaker 1: that men will be harmed by this in the long run.
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  Speaker 1: No matter what. Women could stop it, like they could
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  Speaker 1: stop it now, but they're not doing it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, essentially, what I'm saying is that I think
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  Speaker 2: this absolves women of the culpability. I mean, the thing
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  Speaker 2: is that and this is something I've said to these
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  Speaker 2: women who are like on the radical feminist separatists. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if they're lesbian separatists, but the radical feminists,
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  Speaker 2: and they talk about how, you know, it's great that
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  Speaker 2: women aren't having children in the West, and it's like, well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you are essentially doing to extinction the society that
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  Speaker 2: gave you rights. This is your choice, ladies, this will
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  Speaker 2: be your choice every single time you say to yourself, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's the bare minimum. Instead of expressing gratitude and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: it's great that men in the West have given us
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  Speaker 2: their rights, are our rights or have and have afforded
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  Speaker 2: us these rights because they make the ultimate physical sacrifice
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  Speaker 2: to create and defend a society that affords these rights. Right,
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  Speaker 2: no gratitude, no recognition of any kind of positive contribution
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  Speaker 2: to these societies by the men in them. That's what's
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  Speaker 2: gonna kill it. It's gonna be women no longer upholding
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  Speaker 2: their part of the psychological bargain with men. And again,
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  Speaker 2: what will happen is that boys will just end up
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  Speaker 2: being divorced from any of the processes of maintaining the society.
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  Speaker 2: They'll check out. Maybe some of them will be absorbed
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  Speaker 2: into like a Genghis Khan army, but most of them
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  Speaker 2: will just check out, and then it'll just deteriorate. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we are not even into the video.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, we gotta get into the video. So
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  Speaker 1: this video is using the Netflix television show and Adolescence
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  Speaker 1: to make the case for my favorite feminist talking point,
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  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity. I said, if you're in the in the
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  Speaker 1: special chat, I said that completely sarcastically. I actually despise
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  Speaker 1: the concept of toxic masculinity. But anyway, let's go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and play. I just have it set up to a
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  Speaker 1: couple of main points, and really this isn't about the show,
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  Speaker 1: So I want to make that clear. If you've watched it,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me, like, well, the plot, this happens,
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  Speaker 1: that's not relevant at all. This is the show is
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  Speaker 1: just the launchpad for the discussion. So like that's the point.
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  Speaker 1: It's already done the syop. Now we all have to
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  Speaker 1: wrestle with the stupid ideas that came out of the syop.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and listen to the first clip.
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  Speaker 3: Through trial and error, they learn it in the way
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  Speaker 3: a room changes when a man becomes uncomfortable, in the
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  Speaker 3: way the word no needs to be softened, framed, or delayed,
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  Speaker 3: not because it's unclear, but because the reaction might not
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  Speaker 3: be safe. In the silence that follows being interrupted, dismissed,
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  Speaker 3: or called dramatic for expressing a perfectly reasonable feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Not note the super dramatic music. And you know, like
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  Speaker 1: the the way the whole thing is just so emotionally manipulative,
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  Speaker 1: like from start to finish, sad piano music, super scary,
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  Speaker 1: like weird, like found footage type b roll, you know,
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  Speaker 1: ripped paper like it's it's a If you fall for this,
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  Speaker 1: you're a retard and you need to get checked into
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  Speaker 1: an asylum. But anyway, let let's place the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the clip.
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  Speaker 3: Toxic masculinity doesn't just shape male behavior, It reshapes the
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  Speaker 3: lives of the people around them, especially women who are
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  Speaker 3: often left to manage the emotional fallout. It doesn't always
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  Speaker 3: show itself through violence. More often it shows up in control,
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  Speaker 3: in how some men treat affection like a transaction, in
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  Speaker 3: how emotional expression is treated like weakness, and how that
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  Speaker 3: weakness is projected onto the women closest to them.
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  Speaker 1: Are you replying to people in the chat?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's upset. Okay, so Andy says to the man
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  Speaker 2: in this interview, quit leave. Your points are not being
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  Speaker 2: responded to. This is not a dialogue. You're being talked at,
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  Speaker 2: not with what he's talking about. Our conversation about who
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  Speaker 2: is ultimate to blame. I will maintain that women will
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  Speaker 2: ultimately be to blame for the implosion of Western society period,
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  Speaker 2: not men. Men will probably do whatever they can to
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  Speaker 2: keep it afloat, at least the men that are still
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  Speaker 2: somehow manage to navigate the feminist minefield in trying to
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  Speaker 2: disconnect or trying to get them to maintain society without
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  Speaker 2: any having any positive reflection on themselves for having done so,
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  Speaker 2: is what I'm getting at. There will be men who
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  Speaker 2: navigate that minefield and continue to try to maintain our
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  Speaker 2: society as it is, but it'll be women who ultimately
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  Speaker 2: are responsible for its end. That's what I'm saying. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be women who are ultimately responsible because for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, they can't express any gratitude for the men
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  Speaker 2: who maintain our society, to the point where now there
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  Speaker 2: are probably generations of men who do not know if
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  Speaker 2: maintaining the society actually benefits women. You get what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the more feminists say, oh, we always live
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  Speaker 2: in patriarchy. Everything is the worst patriarchal day in all
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  Speaker 2: of human existence? How do men know what to do? Like,
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  Speaker 2: how is maintaining this society actually maintaining oppression of women?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's where feminists are at now. I remember, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was Naomi Wolf or Gloria Steinem oppression of
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  Speaker 2: women has never been worse since the sixties, it's gotten worse.
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  Speaker 2: How do you be in that context? How do you
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  Speaker 2: know how to benefit the world or to uphold Western
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  Speaker 2: civilization as a man in that context? It will because
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  Speaker 2: women have wanted to eat have their cake and eat
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  Speaker 2: it too, in my opinion, and yes, it will be.
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  Speaker 2: It will probably be a result of men just giving up,
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  Speaker 2: as Brian said, or men just throwing in with a
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  Speaker 2: system that makes some goddamn fucking sense.
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  Speaker 1: I think they'll do it. If men decide that they're
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  Speaker 1: just going to seize power from women, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for women, like, look, we need to step
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  Speaker 1: in here and stop you from destroying everything because it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna hurt you. And so I think even in the
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  Speaker 1: case where men step in and I'll press women, which
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  Speaker 1: I don't think is gonna look like oppression, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do it to save them from themselves. It's like some
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  Speaker 1: it's like a woman gets drunk and rowdy in a
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  Speaker 1: bar and starts fighting with everybody, and the bouncer or
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  Speaker 1: her date or some random dude just like takes her
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  Speaker 1: and puts her in the car and drives her to
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  Speaker 1: a hotel room so that she can sleep it off,
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  Speaker 1: like for her own protection. I think it might get
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  Speaker 1: to that point.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think, at least on the Western side.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're talking about men who are part
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  Speaker 2: of different religious or ethnic continuums. Yeah, they might actually
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  Speaker 2: engage in the kind of violence. But for men born
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  Speaker 2: in the West, the reason why they will dismantle women's
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  Speaker 2: rights is because they think it will protect women. That'
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  Speaker 2: the reason I've said this for a decade now, and
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  Speaker 2: feminism is laying the groundwork for that, because feminists like
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  Speaker 2: look at the case where that woman who was an
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  Speaker 2: influencer who ended up getting killed and she was pulled
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  Speaker 2: over by the cops.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember that. I don't remember. She was like
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  Speaker 1: a popular influencer and she was in a cant She
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  Speaker 1: had like a van life thing and I think her
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend or whatever killed her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a van life thing and her boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: killed her or something. If you remember the name of
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  Speaker 2: this woman, just put it in the chat and I
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  Speaker 2: really appreciate it. But the police pulled her over, he
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  Speaker 2: had the marks she was. They both I think pretty
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  Speaker 2: much insinuated that she was the one who was being
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  Speaker 2: the aggressor at that point in time. And the feminists
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  Speaker 2: who got into this said that the police failed to
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  Speaker 2: protect her. But the only thing that the police could
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  Speaker 2: have done was be have a lordship over her and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we think that you are engaged in some of the
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  Speaker 2: kind of domestic violence. Now you don't longer get to
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  Speaker 2: have authority over your life. We make the decisions for
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  Speaker 2: you because they specifically said, hey, I think you too
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  Speaker 2: got you should get like separate hotel rooms, and she
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  Speaker 2: decided to continue on with him. At that point, what
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  Speaker 2: are they supposed to do if they don't have the
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  Speaker 2: authority to make decisions for her. So feminists continue to
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  Speaker 2: complain and get upset at men for not making decisions
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  Speaker 2: in favor of women's if safety. Right, If they keep
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  Speaker 2: blaming men for failing to keep women safe, eventually men
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  Speaker 2: will realize, hey, the priority tier is to keep them safe. Therefore,
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  Speaker 2: the police should have wardship over all women in society.
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  Speaker 2: And when a woman gets pulled over like that and
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  Speaker 2: the police say, hey, you need to go, you know,
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  Speaker 2: cool off in separate hotel rooms, instead of just making
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  Speaker 2: it a suggestion, the police take her, put her in
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  Speaker 2: their wardship van and say now you are our property.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to take you where you're safe. Right,
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  Speaker 2: That's what the feminists are laying out by continuing to
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  Speaker 2: say not accept that women have to deal with the
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  Speaker 2: consequences of their own choices. In their lives, and that
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  Speaker 2: includes consequences like those ones. Otherwise, men have to have
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  Speaker 2: the authority to stop to make decisions for women, right.
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  Speaker 2: And I've said this for years and I've watched it happen,
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  Speaker 2: And if we end up in the Handmaidens Tale, It'll
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  Speaker 2: be because feminists, and it won't be the Handmaiden's Tale.
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  Speaker 2: Women will still be able to choose who they have
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  Speaker 2: children with. It just won't be able to choose to
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  Speaker 2: walk down a street.
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  Speaker 1: I got a So it was Gabby Petito. That's the
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  Speaker 1: name of the one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And I also want to point out I know someone
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  Speaker 1: who knows who knew her. I can't remember her name, Megan.
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  Speaker 1: I think used to be a kind of like semi
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  Speaker 1: vocal men's issues advocate as well. But when Gabby Patito died,
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  Speaker 1: she basically like dropped out of social media. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that she figured out how to reckon with it,
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  Speaker 1: but I know someone who knows who knew her. So
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  Speaker 1: but anyway, okay, so let's go ahead and play the
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  Speaker 1: next clip. So that bit was, well, it's the way
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  Speaker 1: that the toxic masculinity doesn't just manifest like in you know, boys,
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  Speaker 1: not crying. It's like the damage that's left behind, and
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  Speaker 1: it's it's very it's very insidious, yet invisible, yet ever present.
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  Speaker 3: Public spaces weigh silence during conflict and second guests themselves
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  Speaker 3: in conversations that should have been simple. It's in the
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  Speaker 3: way their pain is minimized and their anger is framed
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  Speaker 3: as instability, toxic masculinity.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't you know this is about women? Yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's about It's about women or mirrors.
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  Speaker 3: Not because they chose that role, but because the system
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: around them quietly assigned it. This isn't theoretical, it's not
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: just cultural analysis. It's in the way women adjust their
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: tone before disagreeing.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got something for this, and I sent
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: it to you. I don't know if you saw that.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: It's it's in the way the toddlers, Yeah, the toddlers.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: It's in the way women adjust their tone. Oh really,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: is that is that the case? Because I'm seeing something
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: completely different. I don't think women adjust their tone in fact, honestly, yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: let's take a look at this.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna watch it. Don't say anything, because
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: if you talk, it will change scenes.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: By well, well, I'm not I'm not I mean, I'm
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: not a baby.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: You were in the I'm not a thing.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: No, yes, well I'm not a baby.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: What No, but.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Busy?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: But what well?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I say, Oh, good lord, she really knows it. She
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: knows calling policing out of context.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, gentlemen, I regret to inform you.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord. So, yeah, she doesn't sound like she's.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: In fact, if you look at the body language. This
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: is something I put in out on Twitter. Her body
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: language is very aggressive.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, her fingers in his face. We watch it
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: already so you can see that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: But she actually pokes him at one point, looks like
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it hurts. So she's very dominating with her with her
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: body language. And I guarantee if it was the other
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: way around, the parents who are currently snickering and just
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: filming would actually intervene because this is the standard, Like
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: whatever this guy is saying is bullshit. It's actually justifying
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the reverse. This is what is acceptable. This kind of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: very aggressive, physically dominating, actually harmful body language, actually touching
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the boy and hurting him in the process of having
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the argument. This is something that most people look at
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and they think it's cute because it's a girl. But
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: if you reversed the sexes and had the boy doing that,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: they would immediately say that there's something wrong and the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: parents should intervene to prevent the boy from physically dominating
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: his sister in that way. So, and this wouldn't just
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: be a cute thing that was shared over all over
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: social media and nobody remarked on it either. Nobody said, hey,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: this girl is being aggressive towards her brother. Nobody.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Well, actually there was somebody in the chat that said,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: there was a woman in the chat that said, technically,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: she's a toddler, not a baby, like completely an adult woman,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: completely missing the point, Like, yeah, but she's wearing a diaper.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: That's the only thing the boy is saying is that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: she's wearing a diaper, and she's that she insists that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: he think of her differently despite the reality she's a toddler.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not even focusing they're focusing on the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: logical art or the illogical argument. But again, the behavior,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: this is behavior that we find acceptable. So this man
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: is full of absolute shit when he's talking about, oh,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: women are expected to be small and and I mean
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I get into constant arguments with feminists not because they
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: are actually changing the dynamic between men and women. They still,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: you know, there's still all they can do is ask
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: men for stuff except demanded or be really crabby about it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And the only difference is is that I'm saying, hey,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: let's let's express some gratitude and some politeness and and
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: all of that, and they're like, no, you're a pick me.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Even though it's exactly the same dynamic. They're still asking
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: men for stuff too, or demanding it from men. So
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: there's no change in the dynamic. They're not creating woman
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: topia where women do everything for themselves. It still demands
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: towards men. The only difference is I'm saying, hey, let's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: maybe be polite or pull some of our own weight
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and be polite and grateful about it about the things
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: that men do. And in my position, and I know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: my position is a minority position, right, It is a
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: minority position among women. Being grateful to men, being kind
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: to men, being compassionate towards their issues is a minority
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: position among women. And so this guy is totally out
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: to lunch. And the other thing is that I think
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: what's happening here overall when he talks about these things,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: because this dynamic between those that boy and that girl
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: is the acceptable dynamic, is that he wants to appeal
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: to the possibility of the demonic boy, the reversed dynamic
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: as justification for that girl abusing her brother. Oh her
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: brother could, Oh he could be that way. Therefore, it's
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: justified to actually abuse boys to make sure they don't
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: become that way. And I think that's what this all
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: is about. Adolescence isn't about reality. It's about an excuse
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to justify abusing boys.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's play more.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: It's in the way they pause before rejecting someone. It's
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: in the way they carry tension in public spaces, way
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: silence during conflict, and second guess themselves in conversations that
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: should have been simple.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Really, that way, the pain is minimized.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: But this is not the way women conduct themselves. They're
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: so afraid about strange men, but they still, you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: hook up with them. Well, this is this doesn't reality.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I don't see women doing this at all. Again, they're
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: trying to construct a justification. This isn't describing reality. It's
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: describing a justification for a certain type of behavior towards men.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, this might not be a real person. Though this
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: might be an AI because some of the ways that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: it speaks well, like somebody may have fed the AI
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a bunch of prompts and asked it to write and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you know, talk about But it doesn't matter, because what
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it shows is like this is how normal this is.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: This is how normalized it is. The AI can regurgitate
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: feminist talking points just as efficiently as a regular feminist can.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Like that just goes to show, you know, how pre
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: recorded these people are, literal and PCs. But I don't
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: know if I'm right about that. It just sad Like
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I listened to it, and there's some of the way
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of speaking sound a bit ai ish, like the pauses
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like where you know, because like when when human beings talk,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: we have a certain way of like speaking sentences, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you know, we know when we're we're when appropriate pauses happen,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: And this one misses some and I'm like, is this AI?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's AI.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Toxic masculinity doesn't just limit men emotionally, it punishes the
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: people around them for trying to connect with what's buried underneath.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: So when we speak of toxic masculinity, we're not only
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: talking about the damage it does to boys who are
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: told not to cry. We're talking about the harm it
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: spreads outward, quietly, chronically, and and often invisibly, into the
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: lives of the women who are taught to carry what
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: men were never allowed to feel.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, this is so boring, Like I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: feel like I have to How how can I come
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: up with a novel way of responding to the same
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: old shit, Like I don't like it's like, there's no
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: way to do it. It's just it's just trash. You see,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: if allis in his back, she apparently had a reboot
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: or something. Artforce says, Yep, that's AI. Yeah, I mean
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: it sounds like AI to me. I watched the original source.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: The comment section sucks, Yeah, yeah, because it's no it's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: just so easily consumed.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, I'm back, sorry about that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: No, it's all right. So do you want to hear
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that last bit again? I'll play Is it anything I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: haven't heard? Okay, well, no, nothing is any like this
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: is this is AI? Which I think it is nothing
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that it's gonna say is gonna be new because it's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it's derivative.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: King about the damage it does to boys who are
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: told not to cry. We're talking about the harm it
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: spreads outward, quietly, chronically, and often invisibly, into the lives
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: of the women who are taught to carry what men
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: were never allowed to feel.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: So wait, wait wait.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Wait what wait?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: So well, no, they're saying toxic masculinity is not only like,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: how is something that harms men because it doesn't let
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: them feel or whatever, but it also harms women in
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: like little ways, you know, invisibly and chronically and systemically.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It's like cancer. This is basically like testosterone poisoning was
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the term that feminists used to use in the sixties
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: when they're referring to toxic masculinity or hedgemonic masculinity or
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: cheriarchy or whatever it is they choose to call it today.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, obviously toxic masculinity exists women most affected, but
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: also when it's convenient, it hurts men, but mostly it
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: hurts women. Let's be real, like, that's what the that's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the pay that's the payload.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Yep, that's the payload. But I don't like if men
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: are not taught to express these emotions and how are
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: women carrying them? Like, how is it possible that men
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: can be taught to bottle up these emotions and not
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: express them, and women are still carrying them. But also
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: if men express them, women are doing emotional labor. It's
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: almost like you just have to being a man is
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: living in a permanent state of a hair suit, you
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. You're just supposed to be uncomfortable
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: all the time. You're just supposed to be like you.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I hate myself wearing pajamas made out of like fiberglass insulation.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: It's just the worst feeling, you know.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I feel for men just on that level alone. It's like,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: can they not take the fiber glass pajamas off for once?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: You know? And and so it's not good enough that men,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: you know, maintain society. They also have to feel like
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: shit constantly, just just shit like everything, every single moment
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: of the day. They should feel like shit, you know.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I and put on that fiberglass long underwear. I don't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: want to hear it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I wish men. I've started to in my arguments. I've
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: started to use something I called the feminists a dronicus,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: which is basically the feminist conjecture about what men are
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and how men react. And I sometimes I wish men
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: were the feminists Andronicus, because a woman would have cane
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: up and said something like I feel, and the feminist
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and Dronicus would have been like, God, no, no, you don't.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: You go to jail now, and we're slapping his skull's
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: bridle into you. Women don't get to speak in public.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: That's what the feminist and Dronicus would have done. The
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: first suffraget comes on to the stage, and she'd just
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: get dragged off and put in the sandwich mines. If
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: feminist was right, if feminist conjecture about the nature of
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: man was correct, the feminist and Dronicus would have just
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: been yet, nope, no, I'm stopping you right there. There's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: no eye. What lady, you're a woman, you don't have
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: a self, there's no eye. Those are forbidden words for women.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: That's what the feminists and Dronicus would have done. All right,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: So let's let's keep going.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: It's okay, So jumped up to the next talking point,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: which is about the core of what toxic masculinitly teaches boys.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, of humiliation because she had been broken down, because
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: in his eyes, she had become easier. And that's the
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: part that lingers, not just what he did. But how
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: plainly he believes it made sense. He thinks more open
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to him.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And how unproble, like it's improbable, Like I mean, the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: feminist and Dronicus would think in terms of the logic
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of that boy. But I think most boys would be like, Wow,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: she's feeling bad. Maybe I will, you know, comfort her.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Not I'm going in for the kill. She's weak, She's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: a weak gazelle isolated from the herd.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Kill her.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: That's that's the feminist andronicus thinking. It's not the actual
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: man thinking okay, oh yeah, for sure.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: All right, like me more when she was weaker. He
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: says it calmly, without malice, as if it makes perfect sense.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Like if he wasn't trolling, Why would he say that
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: to the therapist like that, k, you don't know that
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: people that men who are genuinely so psychopathic are able
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to to pretend to be normal to a degree as
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: long as they don't aren't like, you know, have retardation.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: So why would he just openly say yeah, I did
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: it because she was weak toor league mustache lah, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: then I was going to talk her to the drags
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: law like Jesus Christ.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It's almost that on the nose though, like they might
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: as well have just gone the extra just go that,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: just put in snidely whiplash, just go the extra mile,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: just do it. I mean like you're basically like trying to, Oh,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: we want this to we want And you know what
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: really annoys me is that people keep falling for this shit.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I'll show you guys a little bit later, like some
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: of people who are supposedly based were falling for this,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and I know why because they're not ready to look
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: at this in the way that you should be looking
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: at this, which is what I said at the outset
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the toxic masculinity argument when used against white boys, because
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that's the acceptable level. It works on two fronts. One
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: is that the people who care about who are concerned
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: about the racial component, will only see the racial component
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and not see that this is an attack on men,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and the people who don't will think it's not about
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: them when they're men or you know, or their men,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: and they will miss it completely. So like everyone gets
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: all swept up in the whole, like, well, actually, these
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: crimes were you know this The crime of the story
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: is based on an actual knife crime that happened to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the UK where a black man or a black boy
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: did this to a black girl and they're and they're like,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you know, intentionally doing this anti white thing. And it's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: like yeah, because people like you will obsess over the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: wrong thing, which is the race of the perpetrator, instead
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: of the gender, which is the real goal. And the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: people who oppose you will understand that this is just
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: an attack on men, so they'll like accept that. They'll
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: be like, well, you know, and then when it does
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: happen in the case where they can't actually you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: like get around it where you show them or here's
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: real evidence, then they're just gonna broaden the net and say, well, yeah,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it's a problem with men, and because you don't want
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: to see that as like the real issue. And I
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: want to say you the audience, but I mean some
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of these people who are supposedly based, they're going to
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: for like excuse it because they're like, well, I don't
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know about the whole male thing. I mean,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: like I know, you know, because they can't get around that.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: They's Mott and Bailey, Yeah it is.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: It'll be it take me a moment to sort of
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: set this up. Let me just uh bear with.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Me, guys, I know, I'm what what are you doing? Now?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I can hear you.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I'm I'm doing like three things. But I'm
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna focus on this for a second. It's
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: a Morton Bailey. So they present the white boy and
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: people are like, but the real the real case was
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a black boy and black girl. We've whitewashed this. And
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: then they'll say, but it's all men. That that's that
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: is the the Bailey is the white men, and the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: mott is all men.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And when you accept the premise, even if it
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, like the other thing is like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: even if you accept that, yes, this is a real
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: crime that happened, but you also miss the the other
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: part of it is that the boy that they're presenting
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: isn't just a white boy. He's a boy whose father
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: taught him that according to the narrative of the show,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and the other kid probably doesn't know his father. Because like,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: if you this is like a thing that you that
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you're going to miss because most of these, most people,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: most people that are talking about this, they're not looking
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: at the family dynamics at all. They're not thinking about it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: They're not looking at this from the perspective of, what's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the deal with, you know, the presence of fathers, what's
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the deal with masculinity itself. No, they're they're all on board,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: like almost everyone else is on board with at least
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: part of this narrative, whether they're they're you know, distracted
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: by the racial components or the family bought the part
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that they're not looking into. They're just not accounting for it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: That's why, like I see a lot of like like
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of like supposing the like wig nat types,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: like white nationalist types, right, and they see this as like, obviously,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: this is race bait for them that they just eat
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: up right now. And I get it, but you're missing
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the fact that this isn't about you in that regard.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It's about you as men. And they're also the same
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: guys who are like, we're gonna make families and we're
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: gonna focus on all that. It's like, yeah, but your
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: greatest enemy are the white women. Like that, If you
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: don't address the woman question, I'm sorry, white nationalists, you're fucked.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna change that situation at all. And they
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: don't like you because they have bought into most of
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: this propaganda. So you have to confront this at the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: gender level. It's the only way. The race shit, the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: religious shit, all the other shit is like it used
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to be the point, or it used to be a
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: thing that I would talk about when the Black Lives
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Matter thing was happening, right when you know, they only
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: care about men when it's a black man that dies
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: in a way that is politically expedient, like for these
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: activist grifters. And I was trying to explain to people
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that if you don't look at this from the perspective
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of how what are the gender dynamics at place, what
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: are the sex dynamics between men and women? Why is
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: this happening? Like if you have a problem with rape culture, right,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: male rapists, for example, it's like, well, let's look at
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: their the history of these male rapists. Oh, look, almost
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: all of them have been raped by women in a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: lot of cases. Oh, but we're not gonna address that, right,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: This is the same People will be like, well, I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: think it's just not the same when a teacher bangs
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: her students, because like you know, when a female teacher's
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: bang bangs a male student because for whatever reason, male
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: students are just different that way. And it's like, yeah,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: but those guys, because they don't understand consent because of
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: how they were treated by an adult, if they go
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: on later to commit a sexual crime, then you're just
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: gonna say, well, that's just men. Though, yes, you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you're never gonna put this together if you don't start
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: looking at it like fucking adults. Man. And it's really
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: frustrating because these people, you know that they have like
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: massive platforms and they're still saying the same stupid shit
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: that they've been saying for ten years. They just can't
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: see it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: If you look. Yeah, it's a link to a comment
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: in our resources. And incidentally, guys, if you want to
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: see the resources that we use, go to badger Nation
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: dot online and be part of our discord. That's where
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I put the stuff up. So anyway, this is a
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: link to one of my posts or we'll comments in
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Badgerination dot online. Yes, men will be men regardless of intersectionality.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: And in fact, this is just incoherent nonsense. I'll read
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: it to you guys. Though men have always had the
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: upper hand. Therefore, miss injury does not exist because it
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: has never and will never be as bad or rampant
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: as misogyny. Y'all just want to use homophobia, ableism, and
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: racism as an excuse to try to get treated the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: way we women have been treated. So my first read
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: of that statement is that she thinks men are using
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: intersectional issues in order to get attention. This is despite
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the fact that black men are the ones who are
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: more likely to be shot. Actually it's white men, but
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: let's not count that the ay men were the ones
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: who were more likely to be beaten, and us are
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: gemn't cul castration and other stuff like that. Men who
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: are disabled are less likely to find partners and more
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: likely to be discriminated against. So in every instance, homophobia, ableism,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and racism actually hits men harder. And yet she's saying
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: that men are using these things to get consideration when
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't, when it should only be women. And then
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I said, I asked her to clarify this, try and
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: get treated the way women have been treated, and what
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: is that? And she responds with raped, abuser, beat murdered.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You have to be stupid if you don't know that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not answering you anymore, though, so you can go
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: suck yourself.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Again, I don't know if this is a freakin' bot
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: might be, but again, bots do scrape a whole bunch
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: of opinions that are very common. So this isn't a
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: completely incoherent thought, but it does reveal something. Intersectionality is
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: used as a site to take all of these issues
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and move them to women. So it's not it is
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: not black men being shot by the police using the
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: intersectional pipeline. You remove the man because black women have
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: it worse, and then you remove the black because women
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: have it worse, and now it's just women have it worse.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: That's how intersectionality works. They take these issues that verifiably
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: affect men more and they turn them into issues that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: suddenly and inexplicably just somehow affect women more more and
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: justify making women millionaires. That's how it works. And if
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: you cannot see through this and see it is men
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: and women, yes, Britain shouldn't be importing people with these
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: kind of very different cultural attitudes, and also from places
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: where they're dealing with a lot of violence, sexual and physical,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: so they have problems along that score, especially from areas
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: where they basically rape boys in order to preserve women's chastity.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: That stuff that needs to be very carefully dealt with,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: not just like, oh, we're going to pick you up
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: and smash you into a Western ethnic group.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: That that doesn't work, and it's incredibly arrogant to assume
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: that somehow people in other cultures are still just inherently
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: white Westerners. It just doesn't work. So I'm not saying
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: that this is appropriate, but it's like, at the end
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: of the day, they are using this black boy who
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: shot a black girl in order to grab the black girl,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: in order to manipulate the narrative around all men, including
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: white men, but all men, because white is now men
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: like white is male, all right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So there's a number of ways to pivot on this too,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Like if there's an incident, for example, that involves a
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: man doing harm to another man, like for example, prison rape,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the men who are being raped
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: don't matter because now we're just going to talk about
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the rapist men. So like that's another thing that they
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: do to a set. It's all about how can we
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: make it to where women are always the primary victims
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: of whatever it is, or male victims don't exist like
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: that that's all it is, right, and so they do that.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Like when there was an incident in Texas recently, everyone's
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: talking about where a black man stabbed a white man
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: to death in you know, over a seat or something
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: at like a track meet, and it's really terrible and everything.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: But feminists, if they say anything about it, it's gonna
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: be about masculinity, and they're gonna not talk about the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: racial component because that's not as useful, so they just
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: make it about men. None of these people have any
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: interest in solving these problems. Nothing about this at all
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: will ever come up because they don't want to fix it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: They just want to figure out how can we blame
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: men and how can we victimize women.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Let's try to get some more how much right?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Let's play the more. I had ten, so with number
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: were number five.
• 44:13
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• 44:17
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• 44:18
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• 45:19
  Speaker 2: this very very different content. Let's say, I think most
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: people just won't do it. They just will not say yeah,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: this this comes down to men and women, and this
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: is something that we need to deal with on that level.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And it's because most people cannot blame women. They just can't.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: But I can. I can do that and nobody can
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: stop me.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: So that's right. Okay, let's plaything to.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Like, comment on and forward to your friends. It turns
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: behaviors that once happened in private, quiet, whispered, sometimes even shameful,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: into group.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So he's talking about social media and the role it plays,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and he's again not like women. Women aren't on social media, right,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: but it's all run by boys. Did you know that?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Did you guys know if you go to Instagram, it's
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: just a bunch of dudes, that's all it is. But anyway,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: let's play some more. But he's framing, well, actually, I'm
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: starting to I actually think this is likely AI, Like,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I'm almost ninety nine percent sure. And then it makes
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: me wonder if this AI, this whole thing was created
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: by a woman who thought the message would be taken
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: more seriously if a male voice was delivering it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: That's what happened to Katie. A private photo leaked, passed
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: from phone to phone like a joke. One person started it,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: but almost everyone participated and no one stopped it. That's
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: what makes it even more dangerous.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Plot of the show where some girl I think she
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: had like sent a nude or something revealing or whatever
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: to some guy and he like shared it everywhere and
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: she got bullied for it or something.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Do you think if one of these boys shared a
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: nude to himself with one of these girls, the entire
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: female population of the skull wouldn't have a copy and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: be laughing at it?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Here's that we're not going to ask that. Are we
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: gonna blame that on patriarchy too?
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Patriarchy makes women feel like they got to put their
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: nudes out? Did you guys know that to go find
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a girl that you have a crush on and say, look,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: patriarchy says you got to show me your tits. Yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: they have to do it. They have to do it
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like they're tearful and oh okay, click, behave a bit.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: More like the feminists andronicus guys, you know, you don't
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: want to prove the feminist wrong by actually acting like
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: a normal man. You need to act in the manner
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: consistent with their stupid theories. Oh wait, Andrew Tate does that? Okay?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Well yeah again with the women that get paid and
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: work worked for him or whatever it was, No, they
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: didn't they didn't know what was happening. They were just
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: brainless blue girls that were just out there putting putting
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: pick Like it's just crazy, Like how people just pretend
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: like women don't look foot Well, I don't know how many,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: probably not a lot, but it doesn't matter. A significant
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: number of women make only fans accounts as soon as
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: they think they can do it, if not before that.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Have you heard of the bob house? You know, you
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: know what the bob houses? I think we talked out
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit. It was on Manifestel and she Manifestel
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: of course treated it like, oh yeah, this is women
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: getting that bag while also securing their own bag. So
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like women celebrate other women being like, you know, putting
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: their bodies out on social media, and when other guys
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: look at it, it's a problem even though women are
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: doing it for the look, for the attention, Like we
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: just were just trying to square this circle.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: So the idea that something so invasive, so violating can
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: feel normal, like it's just part of growing up, Like
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: it's something boys just do, and when everyone's doing it,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: it stops feeling like a choice, it starts feeling like culture.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Only boys do that, though girls don't do that again.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Just I want as a thought experiment, imagine it was
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the reverse and this boy shared his nude with this
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: girl that nude Like, they should probably research girls and
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: gossiping in like quantum physics, because that nude would probably
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: before it even hit her phone, it would have hit
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the phone of all of her girlfriends and all of
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: her frenemies, Like before he even hit send, that photo
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: would already be in the entire collective girl, I've mind,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: it's a mean girl quantum paradox, but it would be
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: all over the school, and I guarantee that that every
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: single girl would be like, like, seriously, just do the
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: thought experiment. And would there be any recourse? This would
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: be considered what is it revenge porn? Do you think
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: there would be any recourse for that boy?
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: No?
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: He would be brought into the principal's office and the
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: principal would look at him or what is it like,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the principal in the UK.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: The prey tour, yeah, whatever they call it. Your guard
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: would would drag him into the office, yeah, the dragoon
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: of education. I don't know, just.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Drag him into the office looking.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Actually that'd be cool as ship they had like armor
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and like maybe a halberd or something, the dragoon of education. Yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: like the horse like with Barting.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, but he just gets dragged into whatever office they have,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: head office, they had, headmaster, that's what it is.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like be a wizard.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: No, it would be you know, like it's They would
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: laugh at him, and there'll be no reprisals for the
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: girls because it would be blamed on the boy for
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: sending it in the first place. That's the difference between
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: how we treat boys and girls. Right, If the boy
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: sends a girl his nudes and she sends it to
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: every single girl she has contact information with, plus maybe
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: a few around on the other side of the world,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe puts it on a website, maybe gives
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: it to a bunch of known pedophile offenders. Hey, here's
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: a boy who really likes to share his nudes. That
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: girl will receive absolutely no reprisal because everybody will say, well,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: why did you send it to her in the first place,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Because we always refocus on the choices of boys and
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: men when anything bad befalls them, because otherwise we'd have
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: to look at the choices of women and girls and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: actually regard women in terms of being responsible for the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: well being of the men and boys in their life.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And we can't do that. That's like that's black speech.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. And also you know again if you need reminding,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: like if you're new here, you don't know, Like, women
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: are way more vicious to other women on social media
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: than boys are. Like that's literally what social media is for.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: It's basically the battlefield where women try to one up
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: each other in status by tearing each other down. Boys
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: are not the reason for that. It is not caused
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: by a patriarchy. It's just women competing in the sexual
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: marketplace with other women, and that's mostly where it occurs.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: This whole thing about like the problem with boys and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: social media, it's just kind of retarded because you're leaving
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: out again the dynamic women treat social media like a
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: call of duty lobby with other women. They will find
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: ways to tear at your ego that men couldn't even
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: conceive of because they're not able to pay that much attention.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: So anyway, let's get to the next clip. This is
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: eleven twenty.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, boundaries aren't real, they're obstacles and the sharing of
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: a private photo doesn't feel like a violation. It feels
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: like access, like a door opening. This is what we
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: need to name.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Just the thing. I mean.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Either, we're going to judge girls by the same standards,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: because if you old women, you don't hold women to
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the same account as men. They aren't going to develop
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: the skills necessary to achieve in the same ways. But
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: so we are not going to hold women accountable. For example,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: if a boy shares their his nudes with her for
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: her behavior, but we will will say that, well, why
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: did you give it to her? If you didn't, if
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: you didn't expect her to share it with half, you know,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: the female half of the human race, why did you
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: give her her nudes? If we're not going to say
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: that to a girl as well as to a boy
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: as well as your I mean, what is equality at
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: this point? It's an excuse for special treatment of women.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: It seems all right.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: It doesn't, but the ecosystem that allows it to grow,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: because when everyone is laughing, reposting, staying silent, what feels
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: criminal on paper starts to feel cultural in practice, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: that's when it becomes hardest to stop.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so dark. I'm so afraid for
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: all girls everywhere, especially the ones that choose to put
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: their their private matters online. It's crazy. Next clip is okay,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: let's play this one option.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say that a lot of I
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: think they're finding a lot of red benge porn is
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: done by women.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go figure wild, that's insane. I don't think women
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: were capable of doing anything bad, especially not to the
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: sisterhood are.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, like, are women even capable of
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: doing anything at all?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Oh? Well, yeah, if they do anything bad, it's because
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: of men. I forgot. They're basically like skin suits that
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: men put on every so often when they want to
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: do bad things.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Women even exist, I mean, after all, people who assert.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: This stuff can't find I can't guarantee that I'm not
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: talking to a hologram.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe my light be is floating around somewhere like.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: A million little drones and they're all making a shape
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and it looks like you. Anyway, let's go.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Have been studying this for years. Studies show that the
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: more a boy believes he has to be a man
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: in the narrow traditional sense, the more likely he is
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: to struggle with depression, anxiety, and loneliness time, he's less likely.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: And here's that the survivors bias. Okay, I've actually seen
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: the statistics, and we don't know. Men who are more
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: masculine may struggle with depression more, but they're alive to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: struggle with it. And what they also found, this man
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: box research found is that men who and what they're
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: actually looking at is men who regard masculinity as a positive.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: So even if you think being masculine is like painting
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the most awesome painting, if you regard being masculine as positive,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: than you are seen as being in the man box.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: See how you get out of the man box is
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: you regard masculinity as being only negative. And what they
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: found is that men who believe that there are positive
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: aspects to masculinity that are unique to men actually do
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: have the ability to cry in front of their friends
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: and talk to their issues with people. Men who think
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: that masculinity affords them a positive personal sense of self
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: are actually able to talk to people more. It's feminist
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: men who think that masculinity is horrible and awful who
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: actually struggle with talking to other people, crying in front
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: of other people. And it's interesting because the guys who
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: do think that masculinity has value and also pursue stoicism. Again,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: they are able to who express their emotions when they
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: think it's appropriate. The only difference is they choose and
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, because they value themselves, they can value
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: their feelings more, if you want to look at it
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: that way. Men who are masculine, or at least find
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: value in the masculine, are able to cry in front
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: of their friends. They are able to talk about things
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: to other people. They may struggle with depression war, but
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: that may be because they don't dive from it as much,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: all right, So that's the only thing they got here.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: That literally, when he says men who are masculine struggle
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: with depression war, that's all they got because everything else
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: they found the opposite. They found that feminist men have
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: trouble talking about their problems with their friends, they have
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: trouble crying in front of others, and feminist men are
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: actually the ones who are closed off. And what is
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: if you think your masculinity is awful, and you think
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: you have nothing to complain about because you're a man,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: and if you think you're responsible for all the world's problem,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: what a surprise, you don't think that it's right for
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: you to actually talk about them like and that. Again,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: this is the only thing that they could possibly spin
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: as a negative towards masculine men. And if you think
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: about it, not in terms of survivorship bias, it's not
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: a negative at all, because you don't know how many
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: feminist men have actually off themselves, how many men who
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: don't regard anything positive in their masculinity have offed themselves
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: as a result of being depressed. Okay, you don't know
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: that until you know that. Saying that masculine men struggle
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: with depression. No, it's like saying people who eat healthy
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: struggle with cancer, and then you look at it and
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: you say, oh, they actually live longer with cancer because
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: they're eating healthy. This yeah, okay.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: All right, okay, so let's listen to the thychological impacts
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: of cetological impacts on young man. This spelled completely wrong.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: This this, this, this is all over. Look. It's p
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: S I C. Trological impacts on young man, and young
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: is capitalized for some reason. I don't I don't know.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Is it a man named young? Is that? Is that
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: what it is?
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Richard? You sent us Ai slop.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is absolute garbage.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is like the the lukewarm scrapings of people's brains.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Yep, no, for sure, for sure, it's not not real.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: But okay, let's take a look at the chological impacts
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: on young man.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Slightly to reach out, more likely to feel like asking
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: for support means admitting failure, so it stays bottled up.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: They try to fix it with validation, with control, with conquest.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: They chase a sense of being enough.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: But again, guys, this thing is doing a lot, these
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: claims are doing a lot of heavy lifting. Yeah. Men,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: see you talk to about sacilia makes men into conquering warriors,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: which we don't like.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Really really, we don't like that. That whole song it's raining men. No,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: lean mean, no, no, no, we don't want that. We
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: want you all soft like like plushies. And then you
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: see the articles about feminist women saying why don't I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: find feminist men attractive? But right, this is the feminist
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: feminist andronicus. Like what he's describing here, You have to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: really as this has nothing to do with a normal man.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: It's just feminists and dronicus.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, let's let me see it.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: I should explain where I get that from. Like, economists
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: have something called homo economic econoicusts, which is basically the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: perfectly rational actor projected onto humans by a lot of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: economic economic theorists. So I figured, you know, if economy
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: can economics can have the homo econoicus, feminism can have
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the feminists and dronicus, which is basically the the the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: man of feminist conjecture, the masculine nature of feminist conjecture,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: the male culture of feminist conjecture, feminist and dronicus. So
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: you show, everybody should ask themselves what would feminists and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: dronicists do?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: And then you know what's funny is that women hold
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: on to feminism like it somehow protects them from the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: man of their nightmares, the whatever, like they're this abstract man.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: It doesn't do anything, but women cannot let it go,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: like they really can't. And I'm not gonna say feminist.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say women and a lot of men
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: like on some level, like whether they're you know, supposedly
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: conservative women which are just closeted feminists from like twenty
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: years ago, or or full on like super radical intersectional
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: pussy hat wearing, protesting feminists. They all have this like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: they hold onto this belief system thinking that it's the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: only thing stopping men from I guess, killing and murdering
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and raping them. And it doesn't do anything. It's like,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: it's not even a security blanket. At least a security blanket.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: You can wear it when it's chilly out. It does nothing,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: But they think it's so important. Isn't that sad? I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: think it's really sad.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: It's it's a really good point because, like I said,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: and I keep challenging the feminists that I argue with, well, okay,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: if men's world is so horrible, what are you doing
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: to get like, you know, build an underground railroad? You know, park?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where's your underground railroad? Where's your yeah, where's your deside?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Where's your zion? And they're like, oh, well, we're getting
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: to that. I'm like, no, you're not. You're not getting
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: to seventy flipping years. You don't want to zion. You
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: don't want to actually leave this society of horrible oppression.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: You just want to continue to use the allegation the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: society is horribly oppressive to women to continue to manipulate
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: men to give you shit, except there's nothing left for
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: them to give you. And now you're just like, oh
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: they hate ass. No, there's just nothing left. Anything else
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: you could get, you'd have to build yourselves, ladies, and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: you don't have the mental tools.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: To do that. Yep. So anyway, societal consequences is that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: spelled right?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? It is.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: And that's where things get even darker.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Darker because in adolescence we see this logic play out
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: with haunting clarity. Jamie describes what happened between him and Katie,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: and in his own words, he makes a startling claim.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Remember we're talking about fiction, just saying okay, remember that.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: He insists that what he did wasn't wrong because he
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: didn't take it further, because he stopped, because he left,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: as if that distance was enough to cleanse everything that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: came before. He frames it like a kind of morality,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: like proof that he still has integrity. I didn't touch her,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: he says, as if restraint after inflicting harm is the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: same as innocence.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: So doing the bare minimum, that's what this is, right?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Did you get that? Well?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I got that? But what so he did some they
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: had some injuraction and he just left.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know because I used to watch that garbage.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: But what this guy is claiming is that, well, this AI,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: this bot that's likely programmed by a woman, is saying
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: because he like, basically, let's look at it like this. Okay,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: feminists say no means no, right, So let's say that
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: a man does something and a woman says no, and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: then the man says okay and backs off. That doesn't matter. Like,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: you're not absolved because of the thing that you didn't
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: do but might have done. Right, That's what it. Richard
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: in the chat says he was being bullied. I don't know.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I'd feel like I know he was being bullied in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: the story, but that seems irrelevant. And again, this isn't
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: about the show. The show has done its damage. Okay,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: you can go through the show and find everything that
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: they did wrong or every covert way that it was
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: actually based. It doesn't matter because the syop is out
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: there and now we all have to answer for fiction
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: and the people who are the ones have the platforms,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: the ones with the megaphones, and even some of the
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: people who have larger platforms that are too stupid to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: see what's happening. Even though they don't like this for whatever,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: they just can't. They don't understand why they're all missing
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the point. And now we have to respond to that.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think a lot of people are
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: starting to pick up on the on the The problem
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: is that nobody ever, actually this is not going to
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: stop until we hold women accountable the full stop. This
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: is why feminists can operate with impunity and construct these
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: kinds of narratives. And like you said that making him
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: a white boy when it was actually a black boy
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: is a Mott and Bailey. They can get you to
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: get hung up on the fact that it's the race
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: and then call you a racist and just fart out
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: some intersectional bullshit and then disappear in the smog to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: continue to do this again and again. This is an
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: entire fiction. This is somebody taking a conjecture about how
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: men are, a feminist conjecture about how men are, and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: basting a fictional account on it. I'm pretty sure the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: boy who actually stabbed the girl didn't do any of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: this or didn't have the motives that this boy has, right,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: And the other thing is what's really creepy about this
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: is I've seen feminists now use this fictionalized account based
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: on their own theories or conjecture to excuse the real
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: world sexual abuse of boys by teachers. How'd a feminist
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: say to me, while sexual abuse of boys isn't real
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: by their teachers because look at him, lessons his therapist,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: she was afraid of him. How could she have forced
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: him to do anything? How can boys be forced by
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: adult women? That's not real? I know, I'm getting squeaky
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: and it gets annoying.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: This is just so exhaustingly.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Is exactly what they do. This is why the culture
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: is so sick, because the purpose of it is it's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: all just psychological information warfare, and so every piece of
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: fiction has to be pointed in the same direction, so
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: that when the supposed smart people, or the academic class
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: and the political class and the activist class come out
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: and they basically make claims about reality, they point to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: like this bullshit, this culture instead of looking at the truth.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: And it's the reason why I care a lot about
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: the culture, because I can see that that's where almost
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: all of our lies are at. And yeah, feminists will
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: and activist types and commies whatever you want to call it.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: They will make reference to fiction in order to make
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: claims about reality. And because people are just like glued
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: their fucking streaming services or whatever it is they're watching,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: they're consuming, that's what they think the real world is.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Because they don't get out of their house, they don't
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: go touch grass. So the culture is it's being engineered
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: this way on purpose. And yea, it says the the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: show is done. Somebody asked they it was gin bottle,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: he said. He asked if there was gonna be season
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: after season of this. So this, this story is done
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: because it's done its damage. But there will be something else,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: and it'll be constant. It'll be a constant stream of
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: shit and sometimes it will, you know, be well executed
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: or at least well enough that people will think, oh,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: this seems believable as reality. I guess, I guess there
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: is a problem with in cells, you know, and Andrew Tay,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: even though those things are completely like diametric opposites save
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: for the one thing they do have in common, which
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: is men. I guess there's reality, and feminists will reference
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: it forever they've got I mean, they started referencing studies.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: They were doing it when they were referencing each other's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: bullshit studies. Well here's the new data I got. Well
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: what's the basis for that? Well this old data? Well
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: who did that? Old data? A feminists from twenty years ago? Well,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: how good is that data? Well, don't look at that,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: it was accredited. Look at all of the papers on
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: my wall. Look at how legitimate I am. Don't question me.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: And when somebody does, oh this is bad data, they're like, oh,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: you're a biggot, you're fired right, get out whatever. You
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: actually tried to rape me the other day, Like this
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: is what they do.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: So circulars.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I mean yeah, they cite each other in
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: endless circles. They only approve. Like when they say, oh
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: this is like you know, peer reviewed, they all guess what,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: the peers all agree with the same conclusion. So it's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: it's bullshit from the get go. And then they use
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: those bullshit peer reviewed papers to essentially justify media because
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: they assume that the average person is too stupid to
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: read their studies, so they just put it in like
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: news stories and how they pick the news and what
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: stories choose to cover and how they decide to describe them.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: You know, like when if it's like a bunch of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: men die. They're just say people, you know, it's like
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: all of these little subtle ways, and then they just
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: make reference to that, Oh did you know about the show? Well,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: this is reality, guys and people. I mean, I don't
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: know how many, but I think a significant number of
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: people are like, oh, yeah, that seems fair because they
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: trust their you know, the authorities, right, they trust the experts.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and yeah, this is and this is just
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: another level of it. Like now they're just site citing.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Fictional Oh, they're claiming they do this while also claiming
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: that media, like the way that women are represented in media,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: affects reality. So they are believing that the opposite of
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. So they use media to create reality
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: while claiming that media affects reality. Right, So they make
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: a claim about reality using lies, then they claim that
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: those lies actually fact reality.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Well, they make media based on these lies, and then
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: they cite the media as evidence of these truths. And
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: then they say yet, like til Deer was saying in
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: the chat, that media influences and causes behaviors, So isn't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: making this show contributing directly to the murder of real women? Well, yeah,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: that's the thing, like feminists say.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: They want women to actually die, true though they want
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: it because they if it doesn't happen, I'm.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Not Actually, I can't argue with that because I.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they they want that because if it does happen,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: then they get to say, look see, so like this
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: is what they they are. You know, when when Charlie
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Manson killed those you know, Sharon Tate and those people
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: on the the purpose of it was to start a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: race war and the media around it. That was the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: intention of that, right, So why would that have ended there? Like,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: why would that have been the end? And it hasn't been.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: The way that everything is covered, the way that things
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: are presented, I think that accelera rationism is the point.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: So like there's a purpose, it's trying to get people
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: to respond. And yeah, they want women to be harmed
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: because it justifies them continuing to do it while claiming
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: to be on the right side of that.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: I would have to say that I think you. I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: think that there's a good argument to be made for that.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: And the reason why is again because I've seen in
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: the eighties feminist groups reject interventions that would have reduced
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: the rate at which women were raped in favor of
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: things that supported feminist conjecture. So there is a precedent
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: for not caring about the actual harms towards women because
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: they can be used in order to continue to perpetrate
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: the ideology. I don't know about killing, but you could
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: make the argument the direct argument for sexual assault on
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: women in my opinion, but.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Regardless all SoundBite, next clip, Yeah, I figure eighteen twenty eight.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: So this is like there's three lefts.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: Usually against women, sometimes against peers. After long periods of
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: emotional isolation, rejection or quiet radicalization, and when the interviews
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: are aired, the journal entries are released, the posts are found,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: the same threads appear again and again, resentment, entitlement, emotional numbness,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: and a craving for validation that turns dark when it's denied.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Elliott Roger killed, he's using that Elliott Elliott Roger as
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: his example.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Wasn't Elliott Rogers sexually abused?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: He was at least emotionally and physically abused by his
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: step mother his father. His father was a producer, like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: a Hollywood producer. Why Elliot Rodgers was in California and
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: his father was not like present really because he was
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: traveling all the time. I think you would take Elliott
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Rodger to red carpet events. I remember there was one
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: bit of footage of Elliott Roger on the red carpet
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: with his dad. He was obviously socially distant and like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: not kind of not really there. Probably his life that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: he doesn't really have a good relationship with his dad,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: but he did have one and his mother. I think
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: his mother didn't want anything to do with him. That's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: why he had his father, and then his stepmom hated him,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: like because she didn't like the fact that essentially this
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: was a kid that wasn't hers and she had her
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: own children with her with this with this man. But
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: she would always treat Elliott Roger like really really badly.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it was sexual abuse, but we
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: don't really know, but I know that there was emotional abuse.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: And yeah, he grew up resenting women, probably because he
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: resented his mom for abandoning him and his stepmom for
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: treating him like garbage. But again, we're not gonna hear
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: about that. We're just gonna hear about his entitlement and
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: the fact and also he mentions he killed six people
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: in California, Like, how many of those people were men?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: For at at least four Yeah, and one of them
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: was himself. This guy's not gonn up. Well this this
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: bot isn't gonna mention that, because again, it's all about
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: how you deliver the message so that people think, oh,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: my god, he killed six people. And when they see people,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: they don't think about boys. They just think about women. Oh,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: he must have killed six women because he hated women,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: So they tell you he aided women, he killed six people,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: and then people go, oh, he must have killed six women.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: That's how you know. They don't actually want to fix
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: these problems. They want these problems to continue because it
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: puts money in their pocket. It gives them more influence,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: it gives them more power, it validates them. The purpose
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: of feminism is to perpetuate itself, that which is the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: opposite by the way of what any activism should be doing.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I think the goal as a as a men's issue
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: advocate is to become obsolete, ye back art yeah right, oh,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: but like I'm not in it for that. I mean
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I think it causes a lot of pain and suffering,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: so but yeah, yeah, anyway.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Well, Elliott Roger kills, So he's going to talk about entitlement.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: It's it's sort of like that. It's the research into
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: male sexual aggressors, and they find that they have misogynist
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: attitudes or they have anti female attitudes, and yet if
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: you actually look at the research, a lot of them
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: have been sexually abused by women. So wouldn't I mean,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you sort of expect someone who's been abused by
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: women to have bad attitudes towards women? Like? I mean,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: that's what's the first thing you ask of feminist? So
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: what did what did he do to you?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: And a lot of them have a history of being
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: abused by specific men, which they then project onto all men. Well,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going to accept that with feminists
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: and then institutionalize it, I mean, the same thing is
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: happening with abused boys. Elliott Roger was abused. Don't you
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: think that might be where his anger came from?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Why don't we address the abuse? No, we're gonna use
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: him as an ideological talking point. We're not actually going
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: to embrace anything that could reduce violence against women. We're
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: just gonna use men to engage in it as ideological
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: talking points, even if they actually killed more men.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: So basically they just you know, Elliott Roger is the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: example and he's the go to, right, Like it's been
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: ten years, so eleven years almost since he did that,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: and he's still like the primary example. It's almost like
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: they don't really they're running out of examples, so they
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: have to keep pulling the same old garbage.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: So anyway, let's see twenty eight to twenty And of
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: course where this ultimately lands is that all of this
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: is systemic systems. Yeah, that's important. It's important because what
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: we have to do is tear the whole system down.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: By the time Katie said no, the damage had already
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: been done because by then Jamie had already been taught
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: that a girl's rejection wasn't just disappointed, it was injustice,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: that if she didn't choose him, something was wrong with her,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: or worse, that something had been stolen from him. That's
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: how it works. This kind of violence doesn't announce itself.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: It doesn't come with sirens or warning signs. It comes quietly, subtly,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: in jokes that aren't funny, in boys learning that the
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: girl who says no is just playing hard to get Instead.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Right, do you want to say anything to that, I'll
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: play a little bit more of it. I mean, this
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: is again, it's not it's.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Just the same shit that they've been saying for seventy years.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: No matter what happens, they say the same shit over
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: and over and over again. And now they don't even
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: have to make the effort of composing it. They can
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: get AI to just regurgitate their shit back at them.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: That's probably what they're gonna do. Actually, you're probably gonna
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: see like because AI can just pump out videos right
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: as it gets better there, you know, there's going to
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: be like, it's gonna be harder and harder to tell
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: if it's AI, if you're not discerning enough, and they're
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: just gonna bombard the Internet with all this feminist tripe
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: because if it's all you see, if it becomes ubiquitous,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: then most people will just accept it. And it already
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: is ubiquitous. But obviously there's too many dissenting voices like
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: ours that exist, so we have to be drowned out.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: So I'm guessing that this is gonna be like from
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: every level of our society. The baseline AI bots putting
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: out tweets and videos and such and post on social
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: media all the way up to prime ministers and and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: like you know, leaders in government, leaders, world leaders spouting
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: this nonsense. I mean, it's it's yeah, it's just it's
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: a it's just gonna get harder for us unless people
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: just start to challenge these notions well, you know.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: And challenge them directly not indirectly. Is again like they
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: they start with white men, that they mean all men
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: and it's not a functional Like the reason why the
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: strongest argument why you shouldn't have unchecked immigration from certain
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: cultures is because there is a lot of harm to
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: men being done in those cultures that you first have
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: to somehow deal with before you can bring them into
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: a culture where that's not the baseline, right, you know,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: you can't just you got to rehabilitate the abused animal
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: before you adopt them. And I know that it's not
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: like a direct one to one correspondence. I'm just trying
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: to give something people can relate to.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Like you got to.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: If you're going to do that, you need to take responsibility.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: And that's not what these people who are importing men
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: are doing from these cultures. They're not taking responsibility for
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: the ultimate good outcome, which will require a lot more
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: effort and a lot more ability. This is what our
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: culture really lacks, ability to recognize the whole arms done
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: to men and how to help them with it so
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: that they can integrate properly. It's a very difficult prop position,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: and we're just hand waving it because, like you were
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: talking about with feminism, we think that somehow feminist ideology
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: is going to protect everyone from everything, when it doesn't
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: do that. The fact is that feminist ideology protects no
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: one from nobody. So they think they bring these guys in,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: they slap on some feminism and they call it a day. Right,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: They just say, well, we're gonna judge you for not
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: doing this this way. Well, that only works on men
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: who respond to that kind of judgment. You were saying,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: feminism is like a blanky that doesn't really do anything.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: You're exactly right, a jurity blanket that does nothing because
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: you have to have men who respond to it in
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: the first place. Right, If if you go ahead and
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: spout feminist gang feminism at Genghis Khan, it's not going
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: to do anything. You actually need post Christian men for this.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: You need Catholic men who actually are attracted to guilt.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: For this to work on you know, you can't just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't work on everyone, right, And the fact is that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: men aren't like this, at least in certain cultures, and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: I think they're probably all around the world. It's we
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: need to remind yourselves that most of the men who
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: come to the West do actually just to like, Okay,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: we're gonna I'm gonna live with this insanity and I'm
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: going to work for my family. Like most of the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: immigrants coming into the West are like that. That is
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: not to say that unchecked immigration is a good thing
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: or it's done the right way. I'm just saying most
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: men who immigrate are still men. They're still here to
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: try to stend money home to the familia, you know,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: to try to make sure that their wives and kids
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: can eat. And that is not a justification for anything.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: It is just simply pointing out that men are still men.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: And as yeah, sure, all right, twenty eight fifty six, Well,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: let's jump to the last one.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank god.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Thirty minutes. This is where he basically makes the case
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: that this or the bot makes the case that this
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: is actually a systemic problem, and we got to dismantle it.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: There was only a word that we could use that
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: would describe this systemic like entity, this this thing that
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: we have to dismantle in order to protect women from men.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: What if there's a word for that.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: Jamie isn't a monster, and that's what makes it terrifying.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: He's familiar, he is quiet. He is every boy who
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: grew up believing that feelings are facts and wanting justifies taking.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: And so the question isn't how did this happen? It's
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: how many times has it almost happened before? This is
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: the moment where we stop pretending that violence begins at impact,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: begins at the first entitlement, the first silence, the first
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: time a boy learns that his feelings matter more than
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: someone else's safety. And once you've seen that clearly, you
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: can't unsee it. So the next question is what are
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: we willing to change before it reaches that point?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Again?
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: If parts of this familiar.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: What the fuck are they justifying?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: Now complete tyranny over boys and men controlling them? Where
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: does it always go?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: So now we're now we're at the level of thought crime?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Are we check?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Way? Have you not been paying attention to the UK lately? Allison.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if this person is English
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: because the character has an English accent. But yeah, we're
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: and the show it was made in the start, the moment.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: You think, the moment a boy thinks, Hey, this is
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: frustrating and irritating and he's taught to regard his feelings
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: as facts. Who taught him that? It? Like? Where where
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: is this being taught by? Boy?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Can we look who the hell looks like the entitled?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: And that her her feelings are facts? So now we
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: have to get into so I guess we're gonna just
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: outfit boys with like clockwork orange rigs so we can
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: we can hear their thoughts and correct them in real time.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: A little lasers, maybe a little bottomized boys. Yeah, well,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: well I'm not I'm not I mean, I'm not a baby.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: But who's entitled?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: I'm not a thing?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, and this is just not right. You can hear
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: the parents giggling in the background.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Is mute.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Now, imagine what she would be doing if there wasn't
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: a parent watching, because she probably realizes that she's going
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: to be expected to keep her hands to herself. Let's
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: just imagine her growing up. There's gonna be a lot
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: of beaten men in her life because nobody said, hey,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: this isn't an inappropriate way to conduct yourself, and she probably,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: like again, she's probably holding back because she knows that
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: if she does indeed hit her brother, maybe her mother
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: will intervene and say, hey, that's not nice. Who's not
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: being taught control here? This is again an anecdote, but
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: it's a snapshot, and it shows a lot in negative
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: because people don't say, hey, that girl's behavior is inappropriate.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Nobody's saying that, even though if the if we if
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: we reverse the genders, we would be saying that. So
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: what this AI is doing is presenting the reverse situation
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: and frightening people with it to continue to make boys
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: submit to abuse. So, because boys might one day rise
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: up and beat our asses for me treating them so abominably,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: we need to treat them abominably. They need to continue
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: to be like that boy and just take it from
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: an entitled little creep of a girl.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: So go ahead and get.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: Through it, because they are not as fiction but as memory.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe you saw it in your school, maybe in a
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: conversation you didn't feel safe enough to finish. Maybe in
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: a boy you thought you could trust. Maybe in the
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: silence that followed something you wish you could forget. That's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: what makes it so difficult. Toxic masculinity doesn't always come
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: with violence in the beginning, sometimes comes in charm, in
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: quiet competition.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Sometimes everything breathing, dropping, eating, walking, just existing. Get that
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: freaking fiberglass pajamas on. Man, everything you do is wrong
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: except maybe keep the lights on. But we don't even
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: pretend that doesn't exist.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I mean you know, it's it's absolute, that's right.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: And when it finally erupts, everyone wants to ask how
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: could this happen? But the truth is it didn't start here.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: It started the first time a girl said no and
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: had to explain why, the first time she was told
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: to smile when she didn't want to, the first time
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: being careful became routine. So where do we go from here?
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: We speak, Well, you're really running out of shit to
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: complain about this.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so it's so, it's so bad, so bad.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: The rage is earned, but in refusal, refusal to protect
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: the comfort of the ones who never protected, refusal to
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: absorb what never belonged to women.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Men, never normalizing from.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Like everybody trots El Gazelle Pelicott. I think that's how
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: you say your name. But if it was up to
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Gazelle Pelicott and the women, she'd still be being graped
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: by those men. It was because male police officers saw
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: the footage and didn't let it go that this that
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: ended all right? Men protected her when she wasn't protecting herself.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how somebody loses two to three
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: days a week of time without noticing, but she apparently
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: was one of those people. So she didn't even have
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: the ability to protect herself simply by recognizing, hey where
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: those two three days? Where would Wednesday go? Trying to
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: imagine that never crossed her mind.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: It took men, policemen finding the footage and saying, hey,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: something's off here to investigate, to take the effort to
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: care about this woman, investigate it and end it.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: It took men.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Men cared more about Gazelle Pelicott's safety than any woman
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: or herself. They did that, and so women were like, oh, oh,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: aren't you afraid? Aren't you afraid of a society that
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: would allow that, Gazelle Pellicotta, No, society didn't allow that.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Men didn't allow that. One sick fuck did it. Plus
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: he went on a form and found a bunch of others.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: It's very easy to find sick focks on the internet. Okay, newsflash, guys, Right,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: So he found these that welt's not society and it's
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: certainly not men. Men were the ones who protected her.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: So I said to them, I will take heart in
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: the fact if I ever be if I ever am
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: in a position where I can lose two to three
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: days of time a week and not notice that, there
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: will be men out there who are accounting for my
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: time even better than I am, because I'm a woman
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: and they want to protect me. I'll take heart in that. Because, yeah,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: it wasn't women that protected this. They came in after
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: when they could get could get their a pound of fat.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: To blame men and to shame men with they came
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: in after, but they sure as hell didn't protect her before.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: It was men who did that. And it's like this
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: is this is this is this thing that oh, men
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: don't protect women. Yes, men protect women, But there will
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: always be the sons of single mothers abused boys who
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: also because the most abused boys don't go on to
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: abuse at all, they don't they have to also behind
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: the be behind the eight ball genetically, so they have
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: to have issues around antisocial personality disorder. Right, this has to,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: This has to so they have to have this combination
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  Speaker 2: of abuse and genetic factors that lead them to low
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  Speaker 2: impulse control. Yes, there will always be these men. There
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  Speaker 2: always be a stable of these men, and that stable
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  Speaker 2: will never decrease as long as you blame all men
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  Speaker 2: for them instead of abuse and genetic factors and try
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  Speaker 2: to think about interventions that ameliorate that stuff. As long
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  Speaker 2: as you blame all men for the existence of the
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  Speaker 2: minority of criminal, abused and men with with the genetic abnormalities,
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  Speaker 2: you will continue to be subject to them because you
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  Speaker 2: won't be you won't be approaching it in a way.
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  Speaker 2: You'll always be using the existence of those men to
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  Speaker 2: shame and manipulate other men. You know why, because, like
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  Speaker 2: Brian said, it's not about ending violence against women. It's
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  Speaker 2: not about reducing the men who engage in these activities.
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  Speaker 2: Because if it was, you wouldn't be blaming all men
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  Speaker 2: for it. You'd be looking at the factors that create
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  Speaker 2: them instead. Right, it's about blaming all men because blaming
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  Speaker 2: all men is profitable It's how feminists get all of
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  Speaker 2: this control, all of this money, all of this social clout.
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  Speaker 2: Is exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: Are we at?
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  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 2: What level authoritarian dictatorship are we at? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing to you though, They what they're
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  Speaker 1: asking for, what they're suggesting as the solution, is impossible
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  Speaker 1: to implement. But that's why they always make it though,
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  Speaker 1: because they know it can't actually be done, So they
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: get to keep doing this because you can't. Like they're
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: basically saying, here's what you do, and it's essentially don't like,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: don't allow men to be comfortable, don't allow men to
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  Speaker 1: be entitled, you know, reject their feelings. Oh and what
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  Speaker 1: does that do? Well, that's basically going to anger them,
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  Speaker 1: and it's going to frustrate them, it's going to depress
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  Speaker 1: Things are just gonna get worse. And every once in
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  Speaker 1: a while, you know, while there's a bunch of men
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: just taking their own lives or just like retreating out
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: in the boonies or becoming like you know, homeless vagrants
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: or whatever, self destructing, either immediately or slowly, once in
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: a blue moon, one guy will like have a freak
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: out and you know, maybe commit some terrible crime, and
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: it probably will be against other men, but that's irrelevant
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: because the man committing the crime, committing the violent act
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: is all they need to start the whole wheel over.
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  Speaker 1: Oh look here this happened. This is toxic masculinity. Have
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  Speaker 1: you ever felt scared? Ladies? Like ever even perfect nature
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: to feel scared? Well, this is why. It's because of men.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: So you should continue to feel scared and also basically
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: contribute to a climate that continues to perpetuate this this
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: this mood and divides men and women from each other,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: makes them not trust each other, which further makes women
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: scared because women actually depend on men for their safety
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: and security, but creating they create insecurity in them, which
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: continues to create the problem. And if you call it out,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: they'll just say, oh, well you just say women because
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: women are obviously unsafe and and so yeah, it serves
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: like all of this is it's a I wouldn't call
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: a genius, but it's a self perpetuating cycle monster unless
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: you start to say, well, you know what, women are
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: adults and they make choices and all and have things.
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  Speaker 2: That happen to them. There it's the things out of
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: men's control. And yeah, it's like you were saying, it's
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  Speaker 2: just because they never address the issue, nothing ever changes
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: about it, and they just use the products of the
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: thing they won't address as evidence of the truth of
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: their own allegations. They are refusing to embrace something that
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: would actually reduce the rate of violence against women or
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: anyone really. At the same time as they're using their
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: refusal to look at this issue in a solvable way
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: as evidence of the truth of their assertions, it's actually
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: evidence of the opposite. Guys, every man who does this
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: after we had or not every but a good substantial
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: amount of men who engage in this behavior after we've
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: understood for decades where this is coming from and could
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: have developed interventions to prevent it. Every man who engages
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: in this behavior is a failure of feminist conjecture at
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: this point, or a good proportion of them are feminists
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: say that all of this shit comes from things that
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: feminists want to control. Well, they've controlled it for seventy years.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: Has anything changed, No, it's only gotten the worse, according
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: to feminists. While obviously they're failures, right, Gazelle Pelicot's husband
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: is a failure of feminism. All of the men who
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: engaged in abusing or a failure of feminism. At this point,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: the amount of money feminists had to start reducing the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: rate of violence against women should have had an effect,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: and yet it hasn't because it's a failure of feminism.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: It's a failure, a fundamental failure of their conjecture about
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: where violence comes from. And so all of this is
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: it's beyond just abusing men with this bullshit. This is
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: a failure. This is failure. What we're looking at this
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: is a group of people that are using something they
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: continue to allow to exist to justify their existence. It's
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: like codementance. Feminism is codependent with men's violence.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So that was the last That was the
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: last thing.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: All right, good because I'm freaking done.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: I'm done.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I gotta I gotta let my dog out
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: of the bathroom.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no problem. Let me see. I think that's it. Yeah,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: no super chance or super chows. But that's all right.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: It's Monday.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well I'll see if there's any thank yous
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: to give. Okay, unrelated to the video, Thank you to
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Richard Bierre for five hundred dollars.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Come again.
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• 1:39:46
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• 1:39:49
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• 1:40:05
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• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: the next Men's right activists are machines, dude, Okay, they
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: are literal machines. They are talking point machines. They are
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: impossible to fucking deal with, especially if you have, like
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: especially if you have like a couple of dudes who
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: have good memory. On top of that, too, Holy shit,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: you're fucked