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Finding The Moral Spine- Resistance To Faceless Modernity—with Sir Julian Rose · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Charles Mannett and this is a UK Column
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Speaker 1: interview I have with me today, Sir Julian Rose. Julian
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Speaker 1: has the advantage of wisdom and experience, which comes from
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Speaker 1: having converted his own farm and estate from being one
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Speaker 1: that did use chemicals to augment the agricultural practices into
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Speaker 1: one that didn't and turned it profitable in the process.
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Speaker 1: He has also been kind enough to give a previous
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Speaker 1: interview to UK Column which went out last year called
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Speaker 1: Unearthly Interference. Julian, thank you very much indeed for joining
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Speaker 1: me today and welcome back to UK Column.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much, Charles. It's always a pleasure
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Speaker 2: to be on for UK Column, of which I'm a
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Speaker 2: grade ad mara and supporter.
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Speaker 1: Indeed you are a tremendous supporter and that will not
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Speaker 1: be lost on the audience now. As as I said,
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Speaker 1: we spoke just over well no sorry, just coming up
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Speaker 1: for a year ago which I hope many of those
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Speaker 1: listening now have tuned into Fear Not. If you haven't,
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Speaker 1: this will be absolutely fine to go ahead with as
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Speaker 1: a standalone interview, but if you haven't yet listened to it,
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Speaker 1: I really would encourage you to go back to last
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Speaker 1: April on the UK column website UK column dot org
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Speaker 1: and look at unearthly infanties. But Julian, it's been a
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Speaker 1: bit of a roller coaster since then, certainly from a
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Speaker 1: United Kingdom perspective, the relentless push to degrade, destroy and
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Speaker 1: denude the landscape has continued, apparently unabated. There are many
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Speaker 1: many details that we could pull out of that, and
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Speaker 1: I dare say we'll touch on some as the interview progresses.
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Speaker 1: But I suppose, as an introductory gambit, how do you
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Speaker 1: review that the year that has passed since we last spoke.
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Speaker 2: The black and the white are becoming more and more apparent.
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Speaker 2: I would say, you know, it a very extreme time,
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Speaker 2: simply because the authors of a centralized, totalitarian type of
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Speaker 2: world I was going to say state, but I'd have
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Speaker 2: to say world are pushing for a completely materialistic interpretation
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Speaker 2: of what life is, whereas, on the other hand, a
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Speaker 2: red blooded, warm hearted element of humanity is beginning to
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Speaker 2: learn that it isn't just the local MPs and governments
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Speaker 2: that are causing problem. It's a much bigger picture. But
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Speaker 2: don't yet understand the full or don't yet grasp what
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Speaker 2: that full picture is into this mix you get a deliberate,
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Speaker 2: chaotic theme very easily picked up simply by following any
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Speaker 2: major newspaper, you could say, any UK newspaper or anyone
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Speaker 2: world virtually that journalists can't write proper English headlines are
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Speaker 2: completely mad. Stories contradict each other day after day. You know,
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Speaker 2: you certainly start saying to yourself, I think I'm beyond
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Speaker 2: taking seriously anything I'm reading here. But I do take
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Speaker 2: seriously the fact that underneath the mess that one is
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Speaker 2: seeing on the surface, there is a strong undercurrent of
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Speaker 2: pushing for a sort of totalitarian.
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Speaker 3: New world order.
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Speaker 2: And the resistance, I believe is going to come from
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Speaker 2: bottom up, no doubt, the main resistance, of course, not entirely,
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Speaker 2: because we have plenty of allies who are emerging in
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Speaker 2: higher places and confronting head on the architects of control.
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Speaker 2: But from the bottom up, you know, you have farmers, workers, forresters,
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Speaker 2: or three people townspeople who are still retaining some sense
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Speaker 2: of morality and cause in life, beginning to come together
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Speaker 2: to form something stronger as a form of resistance movement
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Speaker 2: which has got to build now, and build pretty rapidly.
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Speaker 1: In my view, I think that's absolutely been the case
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Speaker 1: from the UK column perspective. The UK perspective is that
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Speaker 1: there absolutely are those elements of resistance, if that indeed
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Speaker 1: is the right choice of word, which I think it is,
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Speaker 1: And we do see that there has been a movement
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Speaker 1: towards a lot of the things that you talked about
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Speaker 1: in the reapplication of the proximity principle, people understanding that
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Speaker 1: to produce food locally on a small scale is something
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Speaker 1: that absolutely does work and does benefit both the land
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Speaker 1: and the customer and of course the person producing the
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Speaker 1: food in the first place. Now, what we didn't get
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Speaker 1: a chance to talk about previously was what you have
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Speaker 1: been doing and how this bears relation to the projects
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Speaker 1: you're involved with in Poland. And I would really like
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Speaker 1: to draw that out because I think we could we
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Speaker 1: could all learn a lot from that. You just give
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Speaker 1: a background to that and where you are with it now.
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Speaker 2: The background really to it is that we formed in
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Speaker 2: this organization called the International Coalition to Protect the Polish
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Speaker 2: Countryside ICPPC, and that was with Jadviga Wapater and myself
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Speaker 2: back in the year two thousand and one. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's extraordinary to think of that and the objective really
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Speaker 2: of that was through the key objective really of us
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Speaker 2: to try and support and save the small peasant farming
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Speaker 2: world that still exists in Poland, or spent it did then.
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Speaker 2: While the average size of the farm is around three
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Speaker 2: hectares and most a lot of farmers were producing food
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Speaker 2: really for their families and selling a small surplus, but
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Speaker 2: there were the intense pressure by the corporate element and
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Speaker 2: by a government more interested in the world marketplace and
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Speaker 2: looking after their own people. On that note, we decided
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Speaker 2: to establish immediately I got involved a campaign to try
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Speaker 2: and stop genetically modified organisms getting into Poland, because the
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Speaker 2: word was out that the Monsanto and Singenter and Bio
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Speaker 2: and all those companies, all those corporations like a chemical
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Speaker 2: and sea corporations were planning to move into Poland and
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Speaker 2: thought it would be a doddle. So we had an
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Speaker 2: extraordinary experience actually, and it was such today. It still
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Speaker 2: lives in my mind that I was able, partly through
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Speaker 2: my using my title and my background in farming and
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Speaker 2: in management country estate, et cetera, to work quite to
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Speaker 2: move quite quickly into positions of diet with the leaders
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Speaker 2: of the various provinces in Poland. There are sixteen of them,
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Speaker 2: and with the Adviga Wapato, who'd already been campaigning strongly
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Speaker 2: before I got involved on this very same issue of
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Speaker 2: protecting and supporting small farmers, we decided to develop a
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Speaker 2: campaign to go straight to regional heads of the provinces
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Speaker 2: rather than go to government and try and stop anything.
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Speaker 2: And this will proved a great success because you could
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Speaker 2: say to these people, look, your state has a reputation
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Speaker 2: for wonderful food, for beautiful landscape, for high quality ah
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Speaker 2: and tourism will be a major issue for you in
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Speaker 2: the future. If you maintain your standards, people will love that.
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Speaker 2: But there's something coming in which is going to threaten
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Speaker 2: all of it. It's called genetically modified organisms, and that'll
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Speaker 2: sink you completely. I'm just paraphrasing. And we got initially
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Speaker 2: a Podkopacia, which is a state on the eastern side
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Speaker 2: of Poland, to create to do a voluntary at gmophree
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Speaker 2: zone position, take a voluntary gmode for free zone position,
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Speaker 2: and then we invited them to come to crack Off
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Speaker 2: to speak to the mal Poska authorities stating that they'd
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Speaker 2: done this, and we pushed very hard on mal Poska
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Speaker 2: to do the same and it did the same, and
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Speaker 2: then we invited the next state along the line, and
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Speaker 2: so it was on paraphrasing. But after a year and
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Speaker 2: a half we had every state in Poland signed up
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Speaker 2: to be a voluntary a voluntary gmophrey zone, which is
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Speaker 2: an extraordinary thing and it was largely the work of
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Speaker 2: a very small group of people, I would say ten
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Speaker 2: people probably, And then we decided to write to the
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Speaker 2: heads of each province, chairman of each province and demand
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Speaker 2: that they right to the Prime Minister to demand an
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Speaker 2: actual formal band ban of the important planting of genetic
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Speaker 2: modified seeds, and of course that was the real issue,
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Speaker 2: and three months later that's what happened. He passed, he banded,
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Speaker 2: So in a period of two years we went from
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Speaker 2: nothing to a total ban of genetically modified seeds and plants.
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Speaker 2: That was really the ground base of what has followed since.
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Speaker 2: Since then, we've campaigned largely on issues of legislation to
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Speaker 2: support small farmers rather than put them out of business.
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Speaker 2: Basically issues concerning the poor practice of live scale farming,
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Speaker 2: destroying food quality and destroying the reputation of Poland for
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Speaker 2: being a country with excellent Progiva journey. It's called in
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Speaker 2: Polish real Food, and many other campaigns based on the
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Speaker 2: same issue. Now we're dealing with the later update on GMO,
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Speaker 2: which is going on because GMO is constantly being updated
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Speaker 2: and given new names, and that's been it's in the
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Speaker 2: government's basket now and they are wanting to follow the
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Speaker 2: European Unions in taking up his CRISP type legislation, which
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Speaker 2: is trying to pretend that it's not GMO. It's just
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Speaker 2: something to do with altering genes and plants without having
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Speaker 2: to go through the GMO process. So we're working very
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Speaker 2: hard at trying to get the government to recognize that
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Speaker 2: it's going to be a disaster. We're working on geo
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Speaker 2: engineering of the atmosphere as well, by the way, chemtrails
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Speaker 2: and common language. We're trying to get the government to
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Speaker 2: understand what's going on there. We have colleagues in Parliament
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Speaker 2: who ask questions in Parliament and you can imagine the
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Speaker 2: faces of the people when he started asking the question
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Speaker 2: which we gave him, what are you doing about the
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Speaker 2: chem trails over your state?
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Speaker 3: Ah?
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Speaker 2: You know, cause absolute silence and there isn't anything like that. No, no, no,
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Speaker 2: We're beavering away on that one, and more and more
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Speaker 2: evidence is emerging, which might mean that we do get
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Speaker 2: a handle on it. One of the main reasons is
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Speaker 2: that the research and testing particularly that's done there is
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Speaker 2: some done on the quality of water, et cetera, to
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Speaker 2: see what contaminants are in there, doesn't go down to
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Speaker 2: a low enough level of microns to even pick up
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Speaker 2: what's coming down in aliminium barrier strong term et cetera.
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Speaker 2: In the form of camtrails say that actually testing above
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Speaker 2: the limit where you'd see the actual result. And I'm
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Speaker 2: beginning to discover that there is information and scientific demaind
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Speaker 2: to say you have to get into very very small
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Speaker 2: micro elements in order to see it. And if we
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Speaker 2: can force this on the government, maybe we'll even make
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Speaker 2: some progress there. But there's just a basic basket of
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Speaker 2: stuff we do. We tackle almost anything that looks like
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Speaker 2: it's going to cause a major upset to the traditional
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Speaker 2: way of life of the agricultural countryside community.
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Speaker 1: From which there's so much talk about and so much
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Speaker 1: crossover with what we're going on a lot of the
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Speaker 1: rest of Europe, if not the rest of the world.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got the sort of genetic side of it.
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Speaker 1: In fact, the United Kingdom has just announced that there'll
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Speaker 1: be a statutory instrument, secondary legislation to augment the gene
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Speaker 1: Editing Act, the Precision Breeding Act they called it, meaning
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Speaker 1: that that will get the go ahead in spring of
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Speaker 1: this year. And I mean, would I be right in
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Speaker 1: thinking that when we talk about gene editing, this is
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Speaker 1: really just sort of altering the language, but not necessarily specifically.
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Speaker 2: This is how they do everything, of course, and then
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Speaker 2: they start off with something which is reasonably clear. Of
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Speaker 2: course it's still antific, jargon orientate, it's reasonably clear. And
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Speaker 2: when those resistance and successful resistance is that which it
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Speaker 2: has been in Europe after all, highly successful resistance against
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Speaker 2: genetic and modified food being grown in your A tiny
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Speaker 2: percentage only is grown mostly in Spain. But if they
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Speaker 2: see that doesn't work, they subtly alter the well, they
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Speaker 2: altered language, and they do a little bit of tinkering
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Speaker 2: in the laboratories and they say we've come up with
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Speaker 2: something which is no longer a threat. And of course
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Speaker 2: you hear this type of stuff, but if you think
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Speaker 2: about who's saying it, you realize that everything they're doing
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Speaker 2: is a threat. You know, the people behind all these
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Speaker 2: things are going the opposite direction. People interested in ecology
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Speaker 2: and small scale and medium scale farms and you know,
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Speaker 2: human lifestyle. If like, they're all going on the big
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Speaker 2: corporate bamwagon machine. So you can tell before or they've
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Speaker 2: even opened our mouths, don't trust a word of it.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's so clear now since we did the
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Speaker 2: last interview, I'd say it's become increasingly clear that the
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Speaker 2: people running individual countries and people running government, and the
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Speaker 2: people who go to the WIR, the World Economic Forum
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Speaker 2: dovas meetings to plan, or not necessarily in to plan,
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Speaker 2: but to discuss how to put into effect the next
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Speaker 2: phase of development of the shift towards an agenda which
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Speaker 2: makes human beings considerably less human by plugging them into
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Speaker 2: computers and making them into beings who are no longer
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Speaker 2: really expected to use their brains. In fact, I would
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Speaker 2: say that it's become a sort of smartphone ideal. You know,
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Speaker 2: you don't have to think a machine will do it
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Speaker 2: for you. That for your corpuscles, your brain corpuscles get
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Speaker 2: slacker and slacker and slacker, and you just follow the
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Speaker 2: information coming through the digital information coming through E andF
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Speaker 2: and that's what they want, that they can subtly and
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Speaker 2: psychologically work on people so that they take less and
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Speaker 2: less and less interest in the reality of the life
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Speaker 2: of going on around them. And this is the great
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Speaker 2: danger to me, this is the biggest danger of this time.
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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. It's the utter inability of
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Speaker 1: people to grasp what is going on around them, and
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Speaker 1: in large part, as you mentioned last time, the dulling
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Speaker 1: of the senses and the dulling of the mind and
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Speaker 1: the ability to critically think by absorption in what we
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Speaker 1: are told are technological innovations for our benefits. But it
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Speaker 1: seems that the obverse is absolutely the case, which brings
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Speaker 1: us on to something that has certainly in public discourse
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Speaker 1: become an absolutely ever present topic, which is official intelligence
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Speaker 1: and how that now is being pushed out into farmers.
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Speaker 1: And I think we, you know, we sort of go
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Speaker 1: back to what people do or don't know, will come
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Speaker 1: on to the dangers of artificial intelligence. But how do
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Speaker 1: you perceive the knowledge base of say, the agricultural community,
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Speaker 1: the wider community. I mean, do you think people actually
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Speaker 1: even understand what AI is?
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Speaker 2: Well, no, they don't understand really what AI is, but
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Speaker 2: they feel it's alien. You know, they sense that it's alien,
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Speaker 2: just like the words genetically modified food. You know, you
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Speaker 2: may not actually understand what that is, but that's an
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Speaker 2: alien sounding thing. So AI artificial intelligence sounds alien, especially
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Speaker 2: when you use artificial intelligence AI am the acronym. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't tell you very much, just like net zero
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Speaker 2: doesn't tell you anything, but it has a massive meaning
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Speaker 2: underneath it, So people don't really get it. And now
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Speaker 2: that one of the real for this is that they're
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Speaker 2: addicted to their own mobile pH cell phones, smartphones, iPods,
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Speaker 2: god knows or else. They're addicted to them. They can't
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Speaker 2: imagine giving them up. Only tiny percentage of the population
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Speaker 2: can imagine that that it's a crisis. Is the imagination.
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Speaker 2: In other words, they've been had by the AI propaganda
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Speaker 2: machine that you can't live without your mobile phone. And
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Speaker 2: of course, up to a point, some people. Farmers would
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Speaker 2: be a very good case in point for people that
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Speaker 2: would benefit from some sort of technology like this. You're
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Speaker 2: out in the fields, your tractor breaks down, you've got
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Speaker 2: to call someone up to come, you know, to mend it,
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Speaker 2: or you've got some crisis with there with your sheep
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Speaker 2: and whatever it is, you know, you have need of
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Speaker 2: something like a walkie talkie or a phone which to
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Speaker 2: make to actually cover the ground rather than have to
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Speaker 2: go all the way back to your and pick up
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Speaker 2: your telephone. But for almost every other working elements of
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Speaker 2: the population, apart from the fire service, the police and
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Speaker 2: one or two rather emergency people, this is a convenience
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Speaker 2: tool which is taken over and the farming community don't
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Speaker 2: see that the plan well, actually we have to ching this.
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Speaker 2: We've probably did it last time, but I'll have to
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Speaker 2: say it again because it's some at the bottom of
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Speaker 2: all this, the plan to try and reach net zero
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Speaker 2: by twenty forty five is underlining everything. So every excuse
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Speaker 2: used by government White has to introduce more and more
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Speaker 2: draconian measures. Why cars have to be given masks because
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Speaker 2: they give off methane, and why they have there's some
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Speaker 2: new animal feed I think coming out which is supposed
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Speaker 2: to have an ingredient in it which prevents methane being formed,
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Speaker 2: and carries that have two stomachs and specifically make methane.
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Speaker 3: For good reason to.
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Speaker 2: Know that that all of this and actually ultimately the
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Speaker 2: production of milk, meat, and virtually and many other products
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Speaker 2: artificially created in factories to replace actual meat, actual milk.
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Speaker 2: Therefore also the live stock, the live stockemists are going
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Speaker 2: to go. And this is the plan. You know, This
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Speaker 2: is what's really difficult for people to grasp. It's an
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Speaker 2: overall plan. It was made a long time ago. Actually,
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Speaker 2: it was made back in nineteen seventy two at the
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Speaker 2: Club of Rome and the builder Burgers meet every year
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Speaker 2: and discuss how to further approach this. This plan was
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Speaker 2: made back then and it's been followed. Okay, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: always work out on time, but they're very persistent. And
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Speaker 2: it's the target is who get the the existing and
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Speaker 2: traditional human and humanitarian way of life out of the
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Speaker 2: way and replace it with completely alien form of absolute
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Speaker 2: materialism and control. This is the control system and this
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Speaker 2: is what people can't get. They must get it. It's
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Speaker 2: absolutely vital that people get it. You can do research
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Speaker 2: these days plenty on the internet if you find the
20:30
Speaker 2: right sources, including UK Corn obviously, to go into depth
20:34
Speaker 2: about the steps being taken, on why they're being taken,
20:38
Speaker 2: and how the idea of the ennumment of carbon dioxide
20:46
Speaker 2: is insanity because carbon dioxide is what feeds plants to
20:50
Speaker 2: give off oxygen that enable us to breathe. So they
20:53
Speaker 2: actually saying, if you take them verbatim, they are saying,
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Speaker 2: we are going to ban carbon diox on the planet,
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Speaker 2: which means the end of the planet, on the plant
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Speaker 2: kingdom and everything else. That is what they're actually saying
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Speaker 2: net zero Z two by twenty forty five. So if
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Speaker 2: you work back from there, you will say that everything
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Speaker 2: including the latest attempt to whatnot in the attempt the
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Speaker 2: latest legislation to attack farmers on the taxation side, inheritance
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Speaker 2: tax side, which are going to force a number of farmers,
21:25
Speaker 2: traditional farmers, particularly long standing farmers on some medium sized
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Speaker 2: and larger farms out of out no generation to take
21:34
Speaker 2: that on because it'll be taxed out of existence.
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Speaker 3: But the reason for.
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Speaker 2: All this is to get to net zero by twenty
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Speaker 2: forty five. And it's a scandal on the level which
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Speaker 2: is capital s and it's not easy for people to
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Speaker 2: grasp it.
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Speaker 1: You strike absolutely upon it, which is that people are
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Speaker 1: simply not grasping it, and they are wooed by the
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Speaker 1: idea that it is making life more convenient or more easy,
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Speaker 1: or more secure, or any of these phrases that we
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Speaker 1: hear constantly chirped at us. Now you've just mentioned the
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Speaker 1: inheritance tax, the apr agricultural property relief, which began only
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Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety two, and it is interesting that
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Speaker 1: you should mention it because it seems that if one
22:22
Speaker 1: was being cynical, and I think this might be the
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Speaker 1: right forum for expressing such cynicism. In the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 1: it has been seized on not just by the mainstream media,
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Speaker 1: but by and large by the sort of the broader
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Speaker 1: farming community. And the effect of that has been that
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Speaker 1: it has drawn attention away from all the sorts of
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Speaker 1: things that you have been talking about, like the pursuit
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Speaker 1: of Zerio based on absolutely nothing, and the suggestion therefore,
22:51
Speaker 1: in the face of what they perceived to be an
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Speaker 1: existential threat via taxing at the point of inheritance, has
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Speaker 1: pushed people into accepting the idea that they could diversify
23:03
Speaker 1: into cutting down trees and putting up solar panels or
23:08
Speaker 1: wind turbines or whatever it may be. So it seems
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Speaker 1: that yet again we see this manipulation of events and
23:18
Speaker 1: language in order to distract people. But my question, when
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Speaker 1: eventually I get there, is really concerning money, because people
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Speaker 1: are ill disposed to spend money where they consider that
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Speaker 1: they shouldn't be spending it. I mean, do you have
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Speaker 1: any sense that we might be approaching a point where
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Speaker 1: people just say, Okay, enough enough, it's just costing too
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Speaker 1: much to do this, that and the other.
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Speaker 2: Well, what would be if they said that, If they
23:45
Speaker 2: said that it's costing too much to do with a
23:47
Speaker 2: certain the other, what would they do as an X step?
23:51
Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely do understand and follow the logic
23:57
Speaker 2: of the fact that there has been, in the traditional
24:01
Speaker 2: sense of a capitalist, free market democratic approach to manage management,
24:09
Speaker 2: which is followed by countries like England, there is this
24:13
Speaker 2: idea that every year or so, life should get better.
24:18
Speaker 2: From the point of view is you should have a
24:20
Speaker 2: slightly better income, you should have the possibility of likely
24:24
Speaker 2: more freedom to do such and such a thing you
24:27
Speaker 2: want to do, travel, whatever it might be, that it's
24:30
Speaker 2: supposed to incrementally get better. Occasionally to stagnate is perhaps acceptable,
24:37
Speaker 2: but it seems to me that there's been four or
24:41
Speaker 2: five years. Of course, it is COVID came into the
24:44
Speaker 2: middle of all this too, of very little progress on
24:48
Speaker 2: that traditional view of what is supposed to be the
24:51
Speaker 2: good life.
24:52
Speaker 3: It's not my view. I'm much more basic.
24:57
Speaker 2: I don't consider this the right way to run a
24:59
Speaker 2: country because again it's entirely lost on any values based
25:05
Speaker 2: on the spiritual aspiration creativity being the basis for change,
25:12
Speaker 2: people feeling expressed in the pursuits in their professions rather
25:17
Speaker 2: than being feeling like slaves in those positions. So I mean,
25:21
Speaker 2: I don't go with that particular trend of believing everything
25:26
Speaker 2: should get better through increased production, you know, the old
25:31
Speaker 2: famous economic scenario of the great economists of the past,
25:37
Speaker 2: but Adam Smith and all of them. So people do, though,
25:41
Speaker 2: and that's why your question comes up. And what would
25:44
Speaker 2: that lead to if they side they've had enough of
25:49
Speaker 2: struggling with all these things.
25:52
Speaker 3: I don't know.
25:53
Speaker 2: You know, you'll get someone like Nigel Farrhars jumping and
25:56
Speaker 2: the probably managing to make a political issue out of it,
25:58
Speaker 2: and then they'll probably let Kim. But of course he
26:01
Speaker 2: won't do anymore because actually all the leadership element is
26:06
Speaker 2: tied together in this club, which is really run from
26:11
Speaker 2: the World Economic Forum, from Claus Schwab's alice if you like,
26:16
Speaker 2: up there, because the planning for the future of the
26:19
Speaker 2: planets has already been done. It's just being executed in
26:22
Speaker 2: various stages. So it's being they do something harsh and
26:26
Speaker 2: then they leave a gap for you to start feeling
26:28
Speaker 2: better about it again and think, oh, well, it wasn't
26:30
Speaker 2: so bad after all, and then they bring in another
26:32
Speaker 2: harsh motivation, so bit by bit they wear people down.
26:35
Speaker 2: This is all part of the planet. It's a psychologically
26:37
Speaker 2: well known plan to do this. So what will people
26:42
Speaker 2: ultimately decide? And it used to be called revolution, but
26:48
Speaker 2: I can't see a country like England being involved in
26:51
Speaker 2: a revolution. What I can see them being involved in
26:55
Speaker 2: is what I call a strong resistance movement. But this
27:00
Speaker 2: requires are uniting on various fronts. And you're beginning to
27:03
Speaker 2: see this on the level of the consumer starting to
27:08
Speaker 2: support the farmer because they see the farmer the farmer's
27:12
Speaker 2: got rather good press. I noticed in England because of
27:15
Speaker 2: this inheritance tax issue, and consumers are on the side
27:21
Speaker 2: of farmers on the whole, at least, the sort of
27:23
Speaker 2: consumers that know something about food, which is not the
27:26
Speaker 2: urban part, but it's the ones maybe who have second
27:30
Speaker 2: homes in the countryside start learning about decent food and
27:33
Speaker 2: so on.
27:34
Speaker 3: And so forth.
27:35
Speaker 2: So the potential for uniting, it's going to have to
27:39
Speaker 2: come out with a new vision of the future which
27:42
Speaker 2: has got nothing to do with capitalist or socialist or
27:46
Speaker 2: any other political squasi democratic rooms. It have to be universal,
27:52
Speaker 2: it has to be an ideal which is universal. It's
27:56
Speaker 2: an ideal for all humanity. All humanity leads basic housing, health, clothing,
28:05
Speaker 2: medicine and care. You know, you have to go to
28:09
Speaker 2: that and say, well, that's the starting point. Now you
28:11
Speaker 2: want to go back to that and find a way
28:14
Speaker 2: that what wealth is left is distributed evenly amongst people
28:19
Speaker 2: in a crisis situation. And then you have to go
28:23
Speaker 2: from there into saying, well, what's the goal now, what
28:27
Speaker 2: direction we're going in? And the direction we were going
28:29
Speaker 2: in from there is to bring out the qualities in
28:36
Speaker 2: people which completely stifled by the status quare. And I'm
28:42
Speaker 2: talking about education number one. Education, the Latin word is
28:46
Speaker 2: a dou care, which means to lead out from very
28:50
Speaker 2: interesting actually, which means to bring out the creativity in people,
28:54
Speaker 2: not push into according to a sort of factory examination system.
29:00
Speaker 3: It is today.
29:01
Speaker 2: This is another fact. It's just another corporation and every
29:04
Speaker 2: single area of profession has.
29:07
Speaker 3: To be re worked, reviewed and re.
29:12
Speaker 2: Established on the fundamental basis that humanity is in danger
29:19
Speaker 2: of losing it's essential meaning. I think it's as big
29:24
Speaker 2: as that child. Humanity is in danger of losing it's
29:28
Speaker 2: essential meaning human, godly, warm, loving, spontaneous, joyous. All that
29:38
Speaker 2: has to be back in the picture again, And that's
29:41
Speaker 2: the aim of a universal and of course support and
29:45
Speaker 2: no none of this division of sex and color and
29:49
Speaker 2: money and culture, religion, all that has to be seen
29:54
Speaker 2: to be fairy, which it is. And at the bottom,
29:57
Speaker 2: for instance, of all the main religions on the planet,
30:00
Speaker 2: there were prophets the very is very real, prophets who
30:05
Speaker 2: saw that wisdom, truth, and love and compassion are shared
30:11
Speaker 2: by all religions at the very bottom point. But it's
30:15
Speaker 2: been completely clouded over. No religion knows what it's doing anymore.
30:20
Speaker 2: You know, you don't even get clergy or the pope
30:24
Speaker 2: or archbishops or any mine coming out and standing against
30:30
Speaker 2: destruction and death in Gaza or in Ukraine, or the
30:36
Speaker 2: behavior of their own politicians, the pedophilia. They don't even
30:41
Speaker 2: come out to write it down. They're all part of
30:43
Speaker 2: the same club. I'm sorry to be so extreme for
30:47
Speaker 2: the audience, hope you understand me. You know, I'm feeling
30:51
Speaker 2: we're in a crisis and we need to have a
30:55
Speaker 2: major rethink about the future.
30:58
Speaker 1: I don't think you're being too extreme at all, and
30:59
Speaker 1: I think people need to know where you perceive that
31:04
Speaker 1: they are, and from there we work forward. I will
31:07
Speaker 1: just quote to the audience from an article that you've
31:11
Speaker 1: published very recently which relates exactly to this concept of resistance,
31:16
Speaker 1: and I think people will be very interested to hear.
31:17
Speaker 1: I will of course post a link to the article
31:19
Speaker 1: in the notes for this interview. But you wrote, somewhere
31:23
Speaker 1: in old England there exists a moral spine, a form
31:27
Speaker 1: of common sense supported resistance to faceless modernity, repudiation of
31:32
Speaker 1: change for change's sake, and the brainless rush into a
31:36
Speaker 1: brave new world order. That stubborn characteristic of English culture
31:41
Speaker 1: is now needed on the front line of defense against
31:44
Speaker 1: the psychopathic pursuit of a digitally deemed necessity for becoming
31:49
Speaker 1: a global leader of change within an already top down
31:52
Speaker 1: induced program of chaos and confusion. Wow, those words are
31:58
Speaker 1: very powerful and I think they absolutely deserve rereading and
32:04
Speaker 1: listening to. Again. They taught that to me. They are
32:09
Speaker 1: suggestive in terms of the sort of psychopathic element of
32:12
Speaker 1: this that the march of the so called philanthropist into
32:17
Speaker 1: this area. We've seen under the term of regenerative agriculture,
32:22
Speaker 1: we've seen people like Jeff Bezos of Amazon and Bill
32:25
Speaker 1: Gates of absolutely everything coming into this area. And now
32:30
Speaker 1: going back to the beginning when you were describing how
32:32
Speaker 1: you've dealt with the regional administrations in Poland, how do
32:38
Speaker 1: you feel that these sorts of people who are effectively
32:42
Speaker 1: deep state controllers? How can they be managed?
32:48
Speaker 2: That's a good one. How can they be managed? Well,
32:52
Speaker 2: I don't know the answers it is. It's a very
32:57
Speaker 2: good question. I'm I feel I don't hurt the answer
33:03
Speaker 2: how they can be managed, because unfortunately they are the management.
33:07
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like saying to someone who is
33:09
Speaker 2: an employee, how do you manage your boss? But what
33:14
Speaker 2: they are doing, which is I think helpful, And I
33:17
Speaker 2: was talking about universality. I think it's helpful in a
33:21
Speaker 2: universal picture that there are people representing the demonic element
33:27
Speaker 2: who are forcing into the foreground the darkest possible scenario. Well,
33:31
Speaker 2: you know, the darkness brings out in people, like in
33:35
Speaker 2: a war when your back's up against a war.
33:38
Speaker 3: The darkness brings.
33:40
Speaker 2: Out of people the necessity of producing light to counteract it.
33:46
Speaker 2: And I see them having this role. I mean, I
33:49
Speaker 2: believe that probably you know, the supreme consciousness it knows
33:54
Speaker 2: exactly why these people are being allowed to fulfill at
34:00
Speaker 2: least a degree of their ambitions of super materialist, quasi
34:06
Speaker 2: robotic people, because they are shocking, or should be shocking
34:14
Speaker 2: people who are still human into recognizing the depths of
34:19
Speaker 2: the disparity between the dark and the white. And once
34:23
Speaker 2: you feel this, just as in a war or in
34:25
Speaker 2: a crisis, you have to react to you keep pushing
34:30
Speaker 2: it to the side, saying, oh, no, it can't be
34:33
Speaker 2: as bad as that. And this is the biggest burden
34:37
Speaker 2: we have in dealing with people today. Oh it can't
34:39
Speaker 2: be as bad as that. This is a crisis of
34:42
Speaker 2: the imagination. You know, if you say a horror film,
34:46
Speaker 2: you see a horror film, you say, oh God. But
34:49
Speaker 2: if you think that life's turned into a horror film
34:52
Speaker 2: or something similar to a horror film, it gives you
34:54
Speaker 2: a terrible shock. You thought it was a film, You
34:58
Speaker 2: thought it was something on Netflix. You didn't think it
35:01
Speaker 2: was real in actual life, but it is and it's
35:05
Speaker 2: closing in on us, and therefore it will be I
35:08
Speaker 2: think I can't talk about time because I have no
35:12
Speaker 2: idea how long this it's going to take. But it
35:15
Speaker 2: will cause some element of positivity, in very powerful positivity
35:20
Speaker 2: to rise up. And those people who are the sort
35:25
Speaker 2: of billionaire class of mask Bezos, Trump and all these
35:31
Speaker 2: other billionaire leadership of the world, you know, it will
35:35
Speaker 2: flaw them because they can't think that way to them
35:41
Speaker 2: to psychopaths, and most of them are or very close
35:43
Speaker 2: to being.
35:44
Speaker 3: Human beings are strange.
35:46
Speaker 2: They have emotions, emotions are weird. They don't want emotions.
35:51
Speaker 2: Emotions get in the way after all of getting to
35:53
Speaker 2: the goal you want to get to. You shouldn't have emotions.
35:56
Speaker 2: Strip emotions out of the human body all to the
35:59
Speaker 2: DNA human beings so they can't feel emotional attack the
36:04
Speaker 2: neocortex at the level using emf lodge ideas into their
36:09
Speaker 2: brains without them even knowing it. That's the control system
36:13
Speaker 2: that's working on the planet and people right now. And
36:16
Speaker 2: this is why I'm going through this all again, because
36:19
Speaker 2: people must grasp the level of intensity of this.
36:25
Speaker 3: It's real.
36:26
Speaker 2: Therefore, it should bring out in us so very courageous
36:29
Speaker 2: what I like to call spiritual warrior type feeling. Oh no,
36:33
Speaker 2: not while I'm live on this planet. These people won't
36:36
Speaker 2: get away with it, no way.
36:40
Speaker 1: That's what I think, quite right, absolutely right now. When
36:46
Speaker 1: we last spoke, you described very well, very eloquently, and
36:51
Speaker 1: of course with your own personal insight due to your
36:55
Speaker 1: relationship with the Soul Association, but also you're the process
36:59
Speaker 1: of convert Hardwick to organic. What you described was the
37:03
Speaker 1: subversion of a genuine organic movement by the greed that
37:09
Speaker 1: allowed people to think that dealing with supermarkets and with
37:11
Speaker 1: the big food corporations was the right way to go
37:13
Speaker 1: when patiently, even at the time, it was not. Today
37:18
Speaker 1: we've sort of moved beyond that period. There is, of
37:21
Speaker 1: course still the issue of things being labeled differently in
37:25
Speaker 1: order to apparently attract the buyer and attract premium. But
37:29
Speaker 1: what is it that you see now as being I
37:34
Speaker 1: suppose the equivalent process to that back there, as in,
37:39
Speaker 1: what will subvert those who are genuinely trying to farm
37:43
Speaker 1: in the right way and deal with the consumer in
37:45
Speaker 1: the right way. Now, where are they going to get
37:47
Speaker 1: drawn off to? If the controlling entities have their way.
37:51
Speaker 2: Well, yes, this is a very good question. The temptations
38:00
Speaker 2: that catch people and nearly always associated with economy in
38:03
Speaker 2: the air, you know, is the bottom line. So you know,
38:08
Speaker 2: you are faced by something which makes you suddenly realize,
38:10
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm on the edge of bankruptcy or
38:14
Speaker 2: my family, that my whole life, my world. I'm going
38:18
Speaker 2: to take my own life and I gather in England
38:20
Speaker 2: every fortnight. Someone in doz in the farming profession tragically
38:28
Speaker 2: or you say, Okay, I'll have to adapt to survive.
38:34
Speaker 2: I'll have to adapt to survive. You know, I can
38:36
Speaker 2: hear this little voice getting thinner and thin. I'll have
38:39
Speaker 2: to adapt to survive. I have to adapt. And this
38:42
Speaker 2: adaptation to survive plays into the camp that we've just
38:45
Speaker 2: been describing. That's what they want everyone to do, adapt
38:48
Speaker 2: to survive. So the movement for is sort of positive
38:55
Speaker 2: way forward for people in agriculture who are working on
39:01
Speaker 2: small and medium sized pro ecological forms and cooperating with
39:06
Speaker 2: consumers and following this proximity principle type of approach are
39:11
Speaker 2: rare phenomena, but there are there's quite a few of
39:14
Speaker 2: them out there. The first question, I suppose one would
39:18
Speaker 2: have to say is I always say to people, come on,
39:23
Speaker 2: get back to the land. If you're reasonably able, individual
39:27
Speaker 2: start going around food, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
39:30
Speaker 2: So it goes on, get together in the local village
39:33
Speaker 2: to produce local energy, don't buy off the grid from
39:37
Speaker 2: going to be some mini scale nuclear reactors now dumped
39:42
Speaker 2: on the British public, I understand, in order to produce
39:44
Speaker 2: enough power to run the new AI. Oh yes, I
39:48
Speaker 2: think they're going to be interesting by that one. You know,
39:50
Speaker 2: the nimber is not in my backyard. How are they
39:52
Speaker 2: going to like this? Oh, by the way, missus X,
39:56
Speaker 2: there's going to be a nuclear reactor in the field
39:58
Speaker 2: next to you. I hope you don't mind. And this
40:02
Speaker 2: is where the British are the best. No way, no,
40:05
Speaker 2: oh no, they won't have it. No way, that's never
40:07
Speaker 2: going to happen. Can't happen in England. It's too crowded
40:10
Speaker 2: an island. But subverting the existence of existing soil and
40:16
Speaker 2: scale on medium scale of farmers producing real food is
40:19
Speaker 2: going to be the target. You know, there's going to
40:21
Speaker 2: be They're going to be targeted if they're seen to
40:23
Speaker 2: resist successfully and the question is I'd rather put it
40:27
Speaker 2: the other way around. How are they going to defend themselves?
40:30
Speaker 2: I wonder how are they going to defend themselves? Now
40:33
Speaker 2: Here in Poland, the same discussion takes place about how
40:39
Speaker 2: are they going to defend themselves? How people are going
40:41
Speaker 2: to defend themselves? And quite a lot of people are
40:47
Speaker 2: think looking at it from a sort of military perspective.
40:51
Speaker 2: People are training themselves to be to use guns. You know,
40:55
Speaker 2: they're prepared to kill basically. I don't know this might
41:00
Speaker 2: happen in England, but the gun laws become extremely draconion.
41:04
Speaker 2: I used to have three guns. Because I'm living overseas
41:08
Speaker 2: so much, I've had to let.
41:10
Speaker 3: Them all go.
41:11
Speaker 2: I don't have a gun anymore in England because the
41:14
Speaker 2: forms you have to fill in the photographs, you have
41:16
Speaker 2: to have taken a number of signatures you have to
41:18
Speaker 2: have on the back of the photograph. It's absolutely impossible.
41:21
Speaker 2: And the a number of bullets you used during the
41:22
Speaker 2: year or didn't use them. And I know I only
41:25
Speaker 2: used the gun very very occasionally. I've I've become almost
41:29
Speaker 2: I've become rather against killing animals altogether in my older age,
41:33
Speaker 2: but I recognize that resistance always in the past has
41:38
Speaker 2: meant having the ability to defend yourself. And how else
41:42
Speaker 2: are they going to defend themselves, these small people. Well,
41:47
Speaker 2: the best way would be by making the local public
41:52
Speaker 2: to where you're farming dependent in a positive sense, dependent
41:57
Speaker 2: on the produce you're producing. In other words, it's their livelihood,
42:02
Speaker 2: what will prevent them starving, what will give them a
42:07
Speaker 2: recourse to good health, a good feeling, you know, neighborliness
42:12
Speaker 2: is the fact that they decide, These public will decide, yes,
42:16
Speaker 2: this is the source of my livelihood for the future.
42:19
Speaker 2: I must support this little jewel which exists in a
42:24
Speaker 2: dark sea around it, and I see these I see
42:28
Speaker 2: this happening almost like arcs like Noah's arks, dotted around
42:33
Speaker 2: country in England and gradually connecting up with each other,
42:38
Speaker 2: and so it becomes something of a consumer and farmer
42:43
Speaker 2: together form of resistance. I noted by the way over
42:48
Speaker 2: the years that it seems likely that organic farms will
42:53
Speaker 2: be less targeted by the dark side than non organic
42:58
Speaker 2: because the dark side want to have organic food in
43:00
Speaker 2: their lives. They live on organic food too, you know,
43:04
Speaker 2: they'll only buy organic. They don't want to lose that,
43:08
Speaker 2: so they will they may preserve organic farms for their
43:12
Speaker 2: own sake.
43:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I remember you mentioning you said that the
43:16
Speaker 1: House of Commons used to provide only organic food. When
43:19
Speaker 1: we're in your days advising the.
43:23
Speaker 3: I don't know of it.
43:24
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but now, I mean, you know, isn't it
43:27
Speaker 1: extraordinary when one considers the notion of progress that we
43:30
Speaker 1: can be having a conversation in which defending oneself with
43:34
Speaker 1: a firearm of some sort might be a possibility in
43:38
Speaker 1: the five I mean, that is totally bizarre and also
43:42
Speaker 1: again really worth considering that resistance is as simple as
43:49
Speaker 1: doing those things that they do not want you to do.
43:53
Speaker 1: And this is why I asked you about the organic
43:56
Speaker 1: movement and the supermarkets. It's something as simple as not
44:00
Speaker 1: shopping at a supermarket. You talked about that, you know,
44:03
Speaker 1: very very clearly lost And actually again on the power front,
44:06
Speaker 1: funny enough, there is a power cut where I am today,
44:11
Speaker 1: but I have an off grid set up specifically for
44:15
Speaker 1: this reason, so I'm not affected by it. But you're
44:19
Speaker 1: absolutely right that this relentless push to artificial intelligence is
44:23
Speaker 1: to tell us that it will tell us what to do,
44:26
Speaker 1: and we are to surrender our access to electricity in
44:30
Speaker 1: order that it may work and we may not. But
44:34
Speaker 1: specifically to come back to AI and farming, what sort
44:40
Speaker 1: of words of caution, because I mean people listening to
44:42
Speaker 1: this will be rubbing shoulders with all sorts of farmers,
44:46
Speaker 1: people in the food industry, whatever. I mean, what sort
44:48
Speaker 1: of warnings against specifically, say, AI and the transhumanistic elements
44:55
Speaker 1: would you have?
44:56
Speaker 2: I would say, just study your own behad pattern, become
45:02
Speaker 2: much more conscious of the sort of decisions you're making.
45:07
Speaker 2: Are you stopping long enough and meditating on major issues
45:14
Speaker 2: in your life or even not major issues in your life,
45:18
Speaker 2: or are you on a sort of automatic while you're
45:21
Speaker 2: in too much of a hurry to be able to
45:24
Speaker 2: stop to think. You know, people have to do this
45:27
Speaker 2: now because we are being led by the nose and
45:32
Speaker 2: we're running, rushing. Oh god, I've got to get that that,
45:35
Speaker 2: do that done, And there's no time to really sit
45:38
Speaker 2: and think things through, which requires time, requires a calm
45:46
Speaker 2: sense state of mind, and it requires a deeper observation
45:53
Speaker 2: of the direction which life's going in and then acting
45:57
Speaker 2: on that observation.
46:00
Speaker 3: So the two I mean, I agree with you.
46:07
Speaker 2: I've thought many times that if one could convince the
46:10
Speaker 2: public not to shop in supermarkets, and if you could
46:14
Speaker 2: convince the public not to buy the electricity from the
46:18
Speaker 2: main supplier, if you could persuade more people to go
46:22
Speaker 2: off grid, or if you could do all these ifs,
46:26
Speaker 2: I think I've pretty much decided that too many people
46:33
Speaker 2: are too hooked, particularly supermarket. Although I do believe between
46:40
Speaker 2: ten and fifteen percent of the population quite regularly shopped
46:44
Speaker 2: in farm shops in England. That's the statistic going back
46:48
Speaker 2: rather the wrong way, but I don't know what the
46:49
Speaker 2: figure would be now. It's quite encouraging that people, you know,
46:54
Speaker 2: some instinct in people is tending them. No, I like,
46:58
Speaker 2: you know, I think the food's going to be better
47:00
Speaker 2: quality and more real and possibly even local and maybe
47:03
Speaker 2: even ecological. And actually I want to support other farmers,
47:08
Speaker 2: so I'm going to shop that way and not shop
47:12
Speaker 2: on the global network of mass production and destruction of
47:17
Speaker 2: the planet and people and animals of everything else. That
47:21
Speaker 2: it's absolutely night and day. When people can stop long
47:24
Speaker 2: enough and think about it, it's absolutely other. So if
47:28
Speaker 2: you are controlled by convenience, really have a good think
47:32
Speaker 2: about this. If you find out that you are, then
47:37
Speaker 2: really give yourself a strong kick in the butt and
47:42
Speaker 2: say so, I'm not going to go on this way.
47:43
Speaker 2: I'm going to support real, real, real, and that way.
47:47
Speaker 2: I'll be part of resistance movement, which thousands and thousands
47:50
Speaker 2: of others would be part of. And eventually we will
47:53
Speaker 2: be the people who run the country. You know, it'll
47:56
Speaker 2: be a bottom up taker. They will eventually run. Because
47:59
Speaker 2: the chaos gets work and worse, everything becomes chaotic. You
48:02
Speaker 2: have to have a group of people with leadership qualities,
48:04
Speaker 2: with stubbornness, with our feet on the ground, with knowledge
48:09
Speaker 2: and skills in manual industries, and those people will become
48:15
Speaker 2: absolutely vital to the future.
48:17
Speaker 1: I think the evaluation of convenience and the partic plays
48:20
Speaker 1: in your life is essential, but of course a huge
48:24
Speaker 1: misperception to consider that the opposite of convenience might be
48:27
Speaker 1: inconvenience when it's not. It is that you are engaging
48:30
Speaker 1: in things and thoughts that you would otherwise be missing
48:34
Speaker 1: out on. I think that's the way that people should
48:36
Speaker 1: view it now. I want to come back to your
48:38
Speaker 1: experiences and your insights, because I think the other bit
48:41
Speaker 1: that's missing from people's consciousness is the idea that any
48:46
Speaker 1: of these activities that we're describing as perhaps the alternative
48:49
Speaker 1: to the mainstream can be profitable, and you've demonstrated that
48:53
Speaker 1: with you know, on the organic side of it, but
48:56
Speaker 1: also in terms of the parceling up of land and
48:59
Speaker 1: the engagement with local communities that that was something you
49:02
Speaker 1: were very particular to talk about last time. So somebody
49:04
Speaker 1: who's perhaps got a medium to small sorry medium to
49:08
Speaker 1: large sized farm could be letting out parcels of it
49:12
Speaker 1: people looking to get on what you call the farming ladder.
49:15
Speaker 1: Younger people now that that could you could say, well,
49:19
Speaker 1: there's a massive gap, for example, in the slaughtering of
49:24
Speaker 1: animals that the avatoirs are decreasing on a daily basis
49:28
Speaker 1: in the UK. There is a real problem, especially for
49:30
Speaker 1: the smaller producer of nowhere to take it. My question
49:34
Speaker 1: is are you aware in terms of education of any
49:40
Speaker 1: sort of bodies or educators who are informing younger people
49:45
Speaker 1: that these options even exist or is that just a
49:49
Speaker 1: sort of closed door.
49:51
Speaker 2: Now which options you're referring to.
49:54
Speaker 1: Well, the idea that people going into farming and agriculture
49:59
Speaker 1: now could be looking at doing things in the way
50:02
Speaker 1: that you describe, rather than just going and joining Cargill
50:05
Speaker 1: or tesco or whatever.
50:07
Speaker 2: Yes, well I'm doing it on my Hardwick estate. I
50:13
Speaker 2: know of a group of people who are starting off
50:16
Speaker 2: on a very very large scale attempt to buy farms
50:25
Speaker 2: and do exactly as you describe with them, parcel them
50:29
Speaker 2: up into small sections and allow people to come in
50:31
Speaker 2: and run them. And each of these farms would have
50:34
Speaker 2: a farm shop and would have bid the ability to
50:37
Speaker 2: sell the produce, as well as all the other accouterments
50:41
Speaker 2: that go with artisan craftsmanship, et cetera. There is a
50:46
Speaker 2: project underway. I can't really talk about it much because
50:50
Speaker 2: it's although I'm an advisor to these people, it's not
50:53
Speaker 2: established enough to be able to make it really public
50:56
Speaker 2: in terms of naming it. But is a very brain
51:00
Speaker 2: gave courageous attempt to go forward by people who are
51:06
Speaker 2: not farmers really, but they have deep sympathy.
51:08
Speaker 3: For this approach.
51:11
Speaker 2: They recognize that people need to for their own health,
51:15
Speaker 2: you know, that need to have their feet on the
51:17
Speaker 2: ground and be in nature. And don't you know this
51:20
Speaker 2: is this is another absolutely critical element that everybody needs
51:24
Speaker 2: to have their feet on the ground and be in
51:25
Speaker 2: touch with nature. An idea they'll be working with those
51:29
Speaker 2: those forces at Hardwick, for example, I've now got I
51:34
Speaker 2: think it's seven small businesses with each related to agriculture
51:41
Speaker 2: but not directly related to agriculture, which are helping to
51:45
Speaker 2: make that community more and more self sufficient in more
51:48
Speaker 2: and more areas. So you know, you don't have to
51:52
Speaker 2: specifically stay only food. Anything that contributes to the overall
51:58
Speaker 2: sense of making a prosperous, interconnected, working community of people
52:06
Speaker 2: who are doing this in a pro ecological spirit. An
52:09
Speaker 2: other words, it has to have that aim of being
52:13
Speaker 2: good for the planets and not bad for the planet.
52:16
Speaker 2: If you have various sorts of businesses coming together on
52:20
Speaker 2: an area of land and being occupied with that, those
52:24
Speaker 2: people mix and meet each other and they find they
52:27
Speaker 2: have a similar outlook, and that's better than trying to
52:31
Speaker 2: create a community where you put people deliberately in place
52:35
Speaker 2: and say them, now you've got to work together and
52:37
Speaker 2: you know, follow the following ideal. Let them get on
52:40
Speaker 2: the land. Someone needs to be in the background who
52:44
Speaker 2: has a bit of a vision and some leadership quality
52:47
Speaker 2: to help steer the course of such a thing. But
52:50
Speaker 2: give them the opportunity to develop their craftsmanship, their artisan ship,
52:55
Speaker 2: the mechanical skills they're engineering skills. They are growing skills,
53:00
Speaker 2: their educational skills, that the drama skills. Why not have
53:05
Speaker 2: theater in there as well, and let, you know, let
53:08
Speaker 2: that community become the basis of the future. Now, if
53:13
Speaker 2: that could be reproduced many times all over the land,
53:16
Speaker 2: you know, we would have the beginning of something that
53:20
Speaker 2: would present a very different picture of the future, much
53:23
Speaker 2: more positive, optimistic and real feeling sense of it.
53:29
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you mentioned there without giving away details.
53:33
Speaker 1: Obviously understand sensitivity if it's at an early stage, but
53:36
Speaker 1: that sounds like a terrifically exciting project, and if it
53:40
Speaker 1: is one that can be replicated, then then I would
53:42
Speaker 1: absolutely love to follow up with you about that people
53:46
Speaker 1: more without sort of giving the game away. Have they
53:53
Speaker 1: the in the organization of that, the establishment of it
53:56
Speaker 1: so far? Has there been any trickery, any any you know,
54:01
Speaker 1: I don't know regulatory issues raised or did there appear
54:06
Speaker 1: to be obstacles because of course, what you've described is
54:10
Speaker 1: very much going against the prevailing narrative. Are there already
54:15
Speaker 1: obstacles in the path?
54:17
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm not at the core team of this.
54:20
Speaker 2: I've asked I've been asked to be an advisor and
54:23
Speaker 2: so far I've only had one session with them, but
54:25
Speaker 2: I have said planning, you know, watch out for this.
54:30
Speaker 2: How are you going to get planning permission for establishing
54:33
Speaker 2: the right sort of infrastructure to make it possible for you?
54:36
Speaker 2: I think when people are working the land they need
54:39
Speaker 2: to live pretty much on it or very close by,
54:43
Speaker 2: otherwise it loses its significance really, So you'd have to
54:47
Speaker 2: have the ability the possibility for people to live where
54:50
Speaker 2: they work, you know, in a pretty simple way. I
54:53
Speaker 2: think it should be rudimentary but comfortable. The planning authorities
54:59
Speaker 2: in England make life extremely difficult for people having this aspiration,
55:04
Speaker 2: but you know, everything changes and you can't be sure.
55:10
Speaker 2: A completely different government or a completely different sense of
55:14
Speaker 2: purpose might free up the planning regulations in the UK
55:18
Speaker 2: to be more creative, if give use the chance to
55:22
Speaker 2: try and stop unemployment by giving people the option of
55:26
Speaker 2: becoming self employed and developing their own skills and in
55:29
Speaker 2: their own living, et cetera. So it's all to do
55:32
Speaker 2: really with the intensity of pressure in those directions that
55:36
Speaker 2: makes the difference. I've noticed if the intensity of pressure
55:40
Speaker 2: in a certain direction starts making leadership unpopular because it's
55:45
Speaker 2: not getting on with it. They start thinking, oh dear,
55:49
Speaker 2: we may not be around for the next election, and right,
55:52
Speaker 2: we lose my role as an MP. And then they
55:56
Speaker 2: start thinking, we'd better get with the popular side, stay about.
56:01
Speaker 2: So we've got to make this type of vision popular
56:05
Speaker 2: and then they will start taking it seriously.
56:08
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, absolutely, And you know, as we sort
56:12
Speaker 1: of draw towards a close, I think the most important
56:16
Speaker 1: message what you speak about covers an enormous breadth of
56:21
Speaker 1: subject matter. But what we come back to is that
56:25
Speaker 1: what you eat and where it comes from. So the
56:28
Speaker 1: food and the soil are the most important things in
56:31
Speaker 1: your life because it is they that give you the
56:34
Speaker 1: type of existence that you have in so far as
56:37
Speaker 1: they dictate entirely your health and your state of mind.
56:41
Speaker 1: So as we sort of look forward from that point,
56:46
Speaker 1: I suppose I would like to know what, as we
56:50
Speaker 1: cast our eye over twenty twenty five lying ahead of us,
56:54
Speaker 1: what do you think you'd like to encourage people to
56:58
Speaker 1: do this year that relate both to food and the soil,
57:02
Speaker 1: but deals with all the you know, all the other
57:06
Speaker 1: somewhat depressing issues that, of course are just there.
57:10
Speaker 2: One has to do two things in life. I'm talking philosophically.
57:13
Speaker 2: For a moment, one has to do two things, and
57:17
Speaker 2: I'm saying absolutely have to.
57:18
Speaker 3: You have to go into.
57:19
Speaker 2: Yourself as a human being, and to use a spiritual term, meditate.
57:24
Speaker 2: You have to consider your inner value. What are you
57:28
Speaker 2: here on this planet for? What's the objective? It's a
57:32
Speaker 2: pretty short time scale in terms of universal time. How
57:34
Speaker 2: are you going to make this life really mean something positive?
57:38
Speaker 2: And then you have to go on the outside world
57:41
Speaker 2: and put into effect what comes out of that process
57:46
Speaker 2: of consideration and meditations. That's absolutely the bottom line. You've
57:51
Speaker 2: got to do both. If you do one or the other,
57:54
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. You either become egotistical or you become charitable.
58:00
Speaker 3: But you can't. You have to do both.
58:02
Speaker 2: If you go inwards, clear out the stuff that's preventing
58:05
Speaker 2: you flourishing as a spark of the supreme consciousness which
58:10
Speaker 2: you are, and then get out into the world and
58:12
Speaker 2: use that power to being changed. That's absolutely fundamental. Now
58:18
Speaker 2: what in the text, the in the context are a healthy, positive,
58:25
Speaker 2: meaningful life. There is nothing to beat farming. There's nothing
58:33
Speaker 2: to beat it, you know. I mean, I've been a
58:34
Speaker 2: farmer nine for thirty or forty odd years, and everything
58:38
Speaker 2: I did before has to be rethought of in context
58:42
Speaker 2: of being part of that. Now. It's not that farming
58:46
Speaker 2: something on the side. Yeah, people might want to do that,
58:49
Speaker 2: you know, hard work, miserable weather, go I wouldn't want
58:52
Speaker 2: to know. You've got to make the farm in the
58:54
Speaker 2: production of food, clothing, shelter, fiber from trees, forestry. That's
59:00
Speaker 2: got to be the foundation upon which you build what
59:03
Speaker 2: I said earlier. So I think people have simply got
59:07
Speaker 2: to realize what they're missing by not having an involvement. However,
59:11
Speaker 2: smaller scale, I think people should start with, you know,
59:17
Speaker 2: seven x seven square yard back garden in a suburb.
59:23
Speaker 3: You should start there.
59:25
Speaker 2: For God's sake. You will amaze yourself. And there's plenty
59:28
Speaker 2: of people who have written very good books and stories
59:30
Speaker 2: about this sort of thing. You will amaze yourself. But
59:33
Speaker 2: the pleasure you get from seeing the results of your
59:36
Speaker 2: hard work and yet not only seeing eating. You know,
59:41
Speaker 2: and there is nothing that can replace that. Hydropolic and
59:45
Speaker 2: genetic modified food and whatever you name, it is just
59:49
Speaker 2: never going to replace that. So angle your lives to
59:55
Speaker 2: make a priorities of if you can't for some reason,
59:59
Speaker 2: do it yourself or start to do it yourself, then
1:00:02
Speaker 2: support those who are could be a farm shop, could
1:00:06
Speaker 2: be a box scheme, it could be any number of
1:00:08
Speaker 2: different little initiatives that are taking place. Support that and
1:00:13
Speaker 2: find a connection with the people involved with that, and
1:00:17
Speaker 2: that's alsoid the beginning of the growth of this new
1:00:20
Speaker 2: community we're discussing. But make the love of the style,
1:00:25
Speaker 2: a love of the plant life, of bird life, of
1:00:27
Speaker 2: biodiversity of nature absolutely central to your vision of the.
1:00:32
Speaker 3: Future, Julian.
1:00:34
Speaker 1: As always, you leave the audience on a very positive
1:00:37
Speaker 1: note and with plenty to go away and think about it.
1:00:40
Speaker 2: Now.
1:00:40
Speaker 1: I know that you don't dabble in social media, for
1:00:43
Speaker 1: which you are to be given much credit, but you
1:00:45
Speaker 1: do have a couple of websites I think that I
1:00:48
Speaker 1: can point people towards, and of course there will be
1:00:50
Speaker 1: notes for this below the interview. So where would you
1:00:53
Speaker 1: like to direct people to find out a bit more
1:00:54
Speaker 1: about what you're thinking and writing.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: Well, really, I just have my own website, really, which
1:01:00
Speaker 2: is www. Julian Rose dot info all lower case. Of course,
1:01:09
Speaker 2: it's quite a well maintained It's maintained by people in
1:01:12
Speaker 2: Poland who are doing a very good job with it.
1:01:14
Speaker 3: I think it's quite simple and easy to.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: Understand. Look at and you have. There are also the
1:01:23
Speaker 2: possibility of contacting me if you want to do it
1:01:25
Speaker 2: as a and I think it says under reviews, the
1:01:28
Speaker 2: reviews of my books or whatever it is, there is
1:01:32
Speaker 2: something saying contact the author. You know, I am the
1:01:35
Speaker 2: author of four books as well, and Overcoming the Robotic
1:01:39
Speaker 2: Mind is the one which is closest to the issues
1:01:43
Speaker 2: we've been discussing today. But the small publishing company that
1:01:49
Speaker 2: produced that book in Bulgaria has just gone out of
1:01:52
Speaker 2: business unfortunately, and so it's without a home that book now,
1:01:57
Speaker 2: but I can always post it to people or ask
1:02:01
Speaker 2: my office in England to post it to people. So
1:02:05
Speaker 2: have a look at that. And it's all the material
1:02:08
Speaker 2: in it and my other two books, Creative Solutions to
1:02:13
Speaker 2: World in Crisis and in Defense of Life. It's the
1:02:18
Speaker 2: material that we've been discussing today is very much at
1:02:21
Speaker 2: the heart of those three books.
1:02:23
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Speaker 2: Thank you Charles, And as I said before, it's delight
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