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Book Two| Part I| Chapter IV: The Divine and the Undivine| Sri Aurobindo's Life Divine – An Audiobook by Deepti Tewari · PRISMA Audio Books

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  SPEAKER_00: Book two, part one, chapter four, The Divine and the Undivine.
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  SPEAKER_00: The seer, the thinker, the self existent, who becomes everywhere, has ordered perfectly all things from years sempiternal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isha Upanishad.
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  SPEAKER_00: Many purified by knowledge have come to my state of being.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have reached likeness in their law of being to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gita.
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  SPEAKER_00: Know that for the Brahman, and not this which men cherish here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kena Upanishad.
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  SPEAKER_00: One controlling inner self of all beings, as the sun, the eye of the world, is not touched by the external false of vision, so this inner self in beings is not touched by the sorrow of the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kata Upanishad.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Lord abides in the heart of all beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gita.
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  SPEAKER_00: The universe is a manifestation of an infinite and eternal all existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: The divine being dwells in all that is.
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  SPEAKER_00: We ourselves are that in ourself, in our own deepest being, our soul.
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  SPEAKER_00: The secret indwelling psychic entity is a portion of the divine consciousness and essence.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the view we have taken of our existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time we speak of a divine life as the culmination of the evolutionary process.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the use of the phrase implies that our present life is undivine, and all the life too that is below us.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the first glance, this looks like a self-contradiction.
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  SPEAKER_00: Instead of making a distinction between the divine life we aspire for and a present undivine existence, it would be more logical to speak of an ascent from level to higher level of a divine manifestation.
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  SPEAKER_00: It may be admitted that essentially, if we look at the inner reality alone and discount the suggestions of the outer figure, such might be the nature of the evolution.
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  SPEAKER_00: The change we have to undergo in nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it would appear perhaps to the impartial eye of a universal vision, untroubled by our dualities of knowledge and ignorance, good and evil, happiness and suffering, and participating in the untrammeled consciousness and delight of Sachidananda.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yet, from the practical and relative point of view, as distinguished from an essential vision, the distinction between the divine and the undivine has an insistent value, a very pressing significance.
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  SPEAKER_00: This then is an aspect of the problem which it is necessary to bring into the light and assess its true importance.
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  SPEAKER_00: The distinction between the divine and the undivine life is in fact identical with the root distinction between a life of knowledge lived in self-awareness and in the power of the light and life of ignorance.
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  SPEAKER_00: At any rate, it so presents itself in a world that is slowly and with difficulty evolving out of an original inconscience.
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  SPEAKER_00: All life that has still this inconscience for its basis is stamped with the mark of a radical imperfection, for even if it is satisfied with its own type, it is a satisfaction with something incomplete and inharmonious, a patchwork of discords.
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  SPEAKER_00: On the contrary, even a purely mental or vital life might be perfect within its limits if it were based on a restricted but harmonious self-power and self-knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is this bondage to a perpetual stamp of imperfection and disharmony that is the mark of the undivine.
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  SPEAKER_00: A divine life, on the contrary, even if progressing from the little to the more, would be at each stage harmonious in its principle and detail.
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  SPEAKER_00: It would be a secure ground upon which freedom and perfection could naturally flower or grow towards their highest stature, refine and expand into their most subtle opulence.
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  SPEAKER_00: All imperfections, all perfections have to be taken into view in our consideration of the difference between an undivine and a divine existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: But ordinarily, when we make the distinction, we do it as human beings struggling under the pressure of life and the difficulties of our conduct amidst its immediate problems and perplexities.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most of all we are thinking of the distinction we are obliged to make between good and evil, or of that along with its kindred problem of the duality, the blend in us of happiness and suffering.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we seek intellectually for a divine presence in things, a divine origin of the world, a divine government of its workings, the presence of evil, the insistence on suffering, the large, the enormous part offered to pain, grief and affliction in the economy of nature are the cruel phenomena which baffle our reason and overcome the instinctive faith of mankind in such an origin and government or in an all seeing, all determining and omnipresent divine immanence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Other difficulties we could solve more easily and happily and make some shift to be better satisfied with the ready conclusiveness of our solutions.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this standard of judgment is not sufficiently comprehensive, and it is supported upon a too human point of view, for to a wider outlook, evil and suffering appear only as a striking aspect.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are not the whole defect, not even the root of the matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: The sum of the world's imperfections is not made up only of these two deficiencies.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is more than the fall, if fall there was, of our spiritual or material being from good and from happiness, or our nature's failure to overcome evil and suffering.
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  SPEAKER_00: Besides the deficiency of the ethical and hedonistic satisfactions demanded by our being, the paucity of good and delight in our world experience, there is also the deficiency of other divine degrees.
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  SPEAKER_00: For knowledge, truth, beauty, power, unity are they too the stuff and elements of a divine life, and these are given to us in a scanty and grudging measure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yet all are, in their absolute, powers of the divine nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is not possible then to limit the description of our and the world's undivine imperfections solely to moral evil or sensational suffering.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is more in the world enigma than their double problem, for they are only two strong results of a common principle.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is the general principle of imperfection that we have to admit and consider.
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  SPEAKER_00: If we look closely at this general imperfection, we shall see that it consists first in a limitation in us of the divine elements which robs them of their divinity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then in a various, many branching distortion, a perversion, a contrary turn, a falsifying departure from some ideal truth of being, to our minds which do not possess that truth but can conceive it, this departure presents itself either as a state from which we have lapsed spiritually, or as a possibility or promise which we cannot fulfill, cannot realize because it exists only as an ideal.
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  SPEAKER_00: There has been either a lapse of the inner spirit from a greater consciousness and knowledge, delight, love and beauty, power and capacity, harmony and good, or else there is a failure of our struggling nature, an impotence to achieve what we instinctively see to be divine and desirable.
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  SPEAKER_00: If we penetrate to the cause of the fall or the failure, we shall find that all proceeds from the one primal fact that our being, consciousness, force, experience of things represent not in their very self, but in their surface pragmatic nature, a principle or an effective phenomenon of division or rupture in the unity of the divine existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: This division becomes in its inevitable practical effect a limitation of the divine consciousness and knowledge, the divine delight and beauty, the divine power and capacity, the divine harmony and good.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is a limitation of completeness and wholeness, a blindness in our vision of these things, a lameness in our following of them, in our experience of them, a fragmentation, a diminution of power and intensity, a lowering of quality, the mark of a descent from spiritual heights or else of a consciousness emerging from the insensible, neutral monotone of the inconscience.
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  SPEAKER_00: The intensities which are normal and natural on higher ranges are in us lost or toned down so as to harmonize with the blacks and greys of our material existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: There arises too, by a secondary ulterior effect, a perversion of these highest things in our limited mentality, unconsciousness and wrong consciousness intervene, ignorance covers our whole nature, and by the misapplication or misdirection of an imperfect will and knowledge, by automatic reactions of our diminished consciousness force and the inept poverty of our substance, contradictions of the divine elements are formed incapacity, inertia, falsehood, error, pain and grief, wrongdoing, discord, evil.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is too always somewhere hidden in ourselves, nursed in our recesses, even when not overtly felt in the conscious nature, even when rejected by the parts of us which these things torture, an attachment to this experience of division, a clinging to the divided way of being, which prevents the excision of these unhappinesses or their rejection and removal.
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  SPEAKER_00: For, since the principle of consciousness force and ananda is at the root of all manifestation, nothing can endure if it has not a will in our nature, a sanction of the Purusha, a sustained pleasure in some part of the being, even though it be a secret or a perverse pleasure to keep it in continuance.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we say that all is a divine manifestation, even that which we call undivine, we mean that in its essentiality all is divine, even if the form baffles or repels us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or to put it in a formula to which it is easier for our psychological sense of things to give its ascent, in all things there is a presence, a primal reality, the self, the divine Brahman, which is forever pure, perfect, blissful, infinite.
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  SPEAKER_00: Its infinity is not affected by the limitations of relative things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Its purity is not stained by our sin and evil.
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  SPEAKER_00: Its bliss is not touched by our pain and suffering.
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  SPEAKER_00: Its perfection is not impaired by our defects of consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Knowledge will unity.
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  SPEAKER_00: In certain images of the Upanishads, the divine Purusha is described as the one fire which has entered into all forms and shapes itself according to the form, as the one sun which illumines all impartially, and is not affected by the faults of our seeing.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this affirmation is not enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: It leaves the problem unsolved.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why that which is in itself ever pure, perfect, blissful, infinite, should not only tolerate, but seem to maintain and encourage in its manifestation imperfection and limitation, impurity and suffering and falsehood and evil.
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  SPEAKER_00: It states the duality that constitutes the problem, but does not solve it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If we simply leave these two dissonant facts of existence standing in each other's presence, we are driven to conclude that there is no reconciliation possible.
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  SPEAKER_00: All we can do is to cling as much as we can to a deepening sense of the joy of the pure and essential presence and do the best we may with the discordant externality until we can impose in its place the law of its divine contrary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or else we have to seek for an escape rather than a solution.
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  SPEAKER_00: For we can say that the inner presence alone is a truth and the discordant externality is a falsehood or illusion created by a mysterious principle of ignorance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our problem is to find some way of escape out of the falsehood of the manifested world into the truth of the hidden reality.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or we may hold with the Buddhist that there is no need of explanation, since there is this one practical fact of the imperfection and impermanence of things, and no self, divine or Brahman.
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  SPEAKER_00: For that too is an illusion of our consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: The one thing that is necessary for liberation is to get rid of the persistent structure of ideas and persistent energy of action which maintains a continuity in the flux of the impermanence.
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  SPEAKER_00: On this road of escape, we achieve self-extinction in nirvana.
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  SPEAKER_00: The problem of things gets itself extinguished by our own self-extinction.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a way out, but it does not look like the true and only way, nor are the other solutions altogether satisfactory.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is a fact that by excluding the discordant manifestation from our inner consciousness as a superficial externality, by insisting only on the pure and perfect presence, we can achieve individually a deep and blissful sense of this silent divinity, can enter into the sanctuary, can live in the light and the rapture.
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  SPEAKER_00: An exclusive inner concentration on the real, the eternal is possible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even a self-immersion by which we can lose or put away the dissonances of the universe.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there is too somewhere deep down in us the need of a total consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is in nature a secret universal seeking for the whole divine, an impulsion towards some entire awareness and delight and power of.
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  SPEAKER_00: Existence, this need of a whole being, a total knowledge, this integral will in us is not fully satisfied by these solutions.
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  SPEAKER_00: So long as the world is not divinely explained to us, the divine remains imperfectly known.
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  SPEAKER_00: For the world too is that, and so long as it is not present to our consciousness and possessed by our powers of consciousness in the sense of the divine being, we are not in possession of the whole divinity.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is possible to escape from the problem otherwise.
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  SPEAKER_00: For admitting always the essential presence, we can endeavor to justify the divinity of the manifestation by correcting the human view of perfection or putting it aside as a too limited mental standard.
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  SPEAKER_00: We may say that not only is the spirit in things absolutely perfect and divine, but each thing also is relatively perfect and divine in itself, in its expression of what it has to express of the possibilities of existence, in its assumption of its proper place in the complete manifestation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each thing is divine in itself because each is a fact and idea of the divine being.
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  SPEAKER_00: Knowledge and will fulfilling itself infallibly in accordance with the law of that particular manifestation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each being is possessed of the knowledge, the force, the measure, and kind of delight of existence precisely proper to its own nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each works in the gradations of experience decreed by a secret inherent will, a native law, an intrinsic power of the self, an occult significance.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is thus perfect in the relation of its phenomena to the law of its being.
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  SPEAKER_00: For all are in harmony with that, spring out of it, adapt themselves to its purpose according to the infallibility of the divine will and knowledge at work within the creature.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is perfect and divine also in relation to the whole, in its proper place in the whole.
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  SPEAKER_00: To that totality it is necessary, and in it it fulfills a part by which the perfection actual and progressive of the universal harmony, the adaptation of all in it to its whole purpose and its whole sense is helped and completed.
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  SPEAKER_00: If to us things appear undivine, if we hasten to condemn this or that phenomenon as inconsistent with the nature of a divine being, it is because we are ignorant of the sense and purpose of the divine in the world in its entirety.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because we see only parts and fragments, we judge of each by itself as if it were the whole.
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  SPEAKER_00: Judge also the external phenomena without knowing their secret sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: But by doing so we vitiate our valuation of things, put on it the stamp of an initial and fundamental error.
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  SPEAKER_00: Perfection cannot reside in the thing in its separateness, for that separateness is an illusion.
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  SPEAKER_00: Perfection is the perfection of the total divine harmony.
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  SPEAKER_00: All this may be true up to a certain point and so far as it goes, but this also is a solution incomplete by itself, and it cannot give us an entire satisfaction.
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  SPEAKER_00: It takes insufficient account of the human consciousness and the human view from which we have to start.
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  SPEAKER_00: It does not give us the vision of the harmony it alleges, and so it cannot meet our demand or convince, but only contradicts by a cold intellectual conception our acute human sense of the reality of evil and imperfection.
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  SPEAKER_00: It gives too no lead to the psychic element in our nature, the soul's aspiration towards light and truth and towards a spiritual conquest, a victory over imperfection and evil.
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  SPEAKER_00: By itself, this view of things amounts to little more than the facile dogma which tells us that all that is is right, because all is perfectly decreed by the divine wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_00: It supplies us with nothing better than a complacent intellectual and philosophic optimism.
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  SPEAKER_00: No light is turned on the disconcerting facts of pain, suffering, and discord to which our human consciousness bears constant and troubling witness.
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  SPEAKER_00: At most, there is a suggestion that in the divine reason of things there is a key to these things to which we have no access.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is not a sufficient answer to our discontent and our aspiration, which, however ignorant in their reactions, however mixed their mental motives, must correspond to a divine reality deeper down in our being.
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  SPEAKER_00: A divine whole that is perfect by reason of the imperfection of its paths runs the risk of itself being only perfect in imperfection because it fulfills entirely some stage in an unaccomplished purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is then a present, but not an ultimate totality.
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  SPEAKER_00: To it we could apply the Greek saying Theos uk estin ala gigneti.
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  SPEAKER_00: The divine is not yet in being, but is becoming.
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  SPEAKER_00: The true divine would then be secret within us and perhaps supreme above us.
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  SPEAKER_00: To find the divine within us and above us would be the real solution.
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  SPEAKER_00: To become perfect as that is perfect, to attain liberation by likeness to it, or by attaining to the law of its nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sadrishya, Sadharmya.
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  SPEAKER_00: If the human consciousness were bound to the sense of imperfection and the acceptance of it as the law of our life and the very character of our existence, a reasoned acceptance that could answer in our human nature to the blind animal acceptance of the animal nature, then we might say that what we are marks the limit of the divine self-expression in us.
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  SPEAKER_00: We might believe too that our imperfections and sufferings worked for the general harmony and perfection of things, and console ourselves with this philosophic balm offered for our wounds, satisfied to move among the pitfalls of life with as much rational prudence or as much philosophic sagacity and resignation as our incomplete mental wisdom and our impatient vital parts permitted, or else taking refuge in the more consoling fervours of religion, we might submit to all as the will of God in the hope or the faith of recompense, in a paradise beyond where we shall enter into a happier existence and put on a more pure and perfect nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there is an essential factor in our human consciousness and its workings which, no less than the reason, distinguishes it entirely from the animal.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is not only a mental part in us which recognizes the imperfection, there is a psychic part which rejects it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our soul's dissatisfaction with the imperfection as a law of life upon earth, its aspiration towards the elimination of all imperfections from our nature, not only in a heaven beyond, where it would be automatically impossible to be imperfect, but here and now in a life where perfection has to be conquered by evolution and struggle, are as much a law of our being as that against which they revolt.
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  SPEAKER_00: They too are divine.
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  SPEAKER_00: A divine dissatisfaction, a divine aspiration.
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  SPEAKER_00: In them is the inherent light of a power within which maintains them in us so that the divine may not only be there as a hidden reality in our spiritual secrecies, but unfold itself in the evolution of nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: In this light we can admit that all works perfectly towards a divine end by a divine wisdom, and therefore each thing is in that sense perfectly fitted in its place.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we say that is not the whole of the divine purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: For what is is only justifiable, finds its perfect sense and satisfaction by what can and will be.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is, no doubt, a key in the divine reason that would justify things as they are, by revealing their right significance and true secret, as other, subtler, deeper than their outward meaning and phenomenal appearance, which is all that can normally be caught by our present intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we cannot be content with that belief.
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  SPEAKER_00: To search for and find the spiritual key of things is the law of our being.
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  SPEAKER_00: The sign of the finding is not a philosophic intellectual recognition and a resigned or sage acceptance of things as they are because of some divine sense and purpose in them which is beyond us.
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  SPEAKER_00: The real sign is an elevation towards the spiritual knowledge and power which will transform the law and phenomena and external forms of our life nearer to a true image of that divine sense and purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is right and reasonable to endure with equanimity, suffering and subjection to defect as the immediate will of God, a present law of imperfection laid on our members, but on condition that we recognize it also as the will of God in us to transcend evil and suffering, to transform imperfection into perfection, to rise into a higher law of divine nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: In our human consciousness there is the image of an ideal truth of being, a divine nature, an incipient Godhead.
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  SPEAKER_00: In relation to that higher truth of our present state of imperfection, can be relatively described as an undivine life and the conditions of the world from which we start as undivine conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: The imperfections are the indication given to us that they are there as first disguises, not as the intended expression of the divine being and the divine nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is a power within us, the concealed divinity that has lit the flame of aspiration, pictures the image of the ideal, keeps alive our discontent, and pushes us to throw off the disguise and to reveal, or, in the Vedic phrase, to form and disclose the Godhead in the manifest spirit, mind, life and body of this terrestrial creature.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our present nature can only be transitional.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our imperfect status a starting point and opportunity for the achievement of another, higher, wider, and greater, that shall be divine and perfect, not only by the secret spirit within it, but in its manifest and most outward form of existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: But these conclusions are only first reasonings or primary intuitions founded on our inner self-experience and the apparent facts of universal existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: They cannot be entirely validated unless we know the real cause of ignorance, imperfection, and suffering and their place in the cosmic purpose or cosmic order.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are three propositions about God and the world, if we admit the divine existence, to which the general reason and consciousness of mankind bear witness.
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  SPEAKER_00: But one of the three, which is yet necessitated by the character of the world we live in, does not harmonize with the two others, and by this disharmony, the human mind is thrown into great perplexes of contradiction and driven to doubt and denial.
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  SPEAKER_00: For first we find affirmed an omnipresent divinity and reality, pure, perfect, and blissful, without whom, apart from whom nothing could exist, since all exists only by him and in his being.
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  SPEAKER_00: All thinking on the subject that is not atheistic or materialistic, or else primitive and anthropomorphic, has to start from this admission or to arrive at this fundamental concept.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is true that certain religions seem to suppose an extra cosmic deity who has created a world outside and apart from his own existence.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: But when they come to construct a theology or spiritual philosophy, these two admit omnipresence or imminence.
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  SPEAKER_00: For this omnipresence imposes itself, is a necessity of spiritual thinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: If there is such a divinity, self or reality, it must be everywhere, one and indivisible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing can possibly exist apart from its existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing can be born from another than that.
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  SPEAKER_00: There can be nothing unsupported by that, independent of it, unfilled by the breadth and power of its being.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has been held indeed that the ignorance, the imperfection, the suffering of this world are not supported by the divine existence, but we have then to suppose two gods, an Ormuds of the good, and a hariman of the evil, or perhaps a perfect supracosmic and imminent being, and an imperfect cosmic demiurge or separate undivine nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a possible conception, but improbable to our highest intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can only be at most a subordinate aspect, not the original truth or the whole truth of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nor can we suppose that the one self and spirit in all and the one power creator of all are different, contrary in the character of their being, separate in their will and purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our reason tells us, our intuitive consciousness feels, and their witness is confirmed by spiritual experience that the one pure and absolute existence exists in all things and beings, even as all things and beings exist in it and by it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And nothing can be or happen without this indwelling and all supporting presence.
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  SPEAKER_00: A second affirmation which our mind naturally accepts as the consequence of the first postulate is that by the supreme consciousness and the supreme power of this omnipresent divinity in its perfect universal knowledge and divine wisdom, all things are ordered and governed in their fundamental relations and their process.
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  SPEAKER_00: But on the other hand, the actual process of things, the actual relations which we see are, as presented to our human consciousness, relations of imperfection, of limitation, there appears a disharmony, even a perversion, something that is the contrary of our conception of the divine existence, a very apparent denial or at least a disfigurement or disguise of the divine presence.
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  SPEAKER_00: There arises then a third affirmation of the divine reality and the world reality as different in essence or in order, so different that we have to draw away from one to reach the other.
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  SPEAKER_00: If we would find the divine inhabitant, we must reject the world he inhabits, governs, has created, or manifested in his own existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first of these three propositions is inevitable.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second also must stand if the omnipresent divine has anything at all to do with the world he inhabits and with its manifestation, building, maintenance, and government.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the third seems also self evident.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yet it is incompatible with its precedence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this dissonance confronts us with a problem which appears to be incapable of satisfactory solutions.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is not difficult by some construction of the philosophic reason or of theological reasoning to circumvent the difficulty.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is possible to erect a fainient deity, like the gods of Epicurus, blissful in himself, observing but indifferent to a world conducted or misconducted by a mechanical law of nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is open to us to posit a witness self, a silent soul in things, a purusha who allows nature to do what she will and is content to reflect all her order and all her disorders in his passive and stainless consciousness.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Or a supreme self, absolute, inactive, free from all relations, unconcerned with the works of the cosmic illusion or creation, which has mysteriously or paradoxically originated from it, or over against it to tempt and afflict a world of temporal creatures.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: But all these solutions do no more than reflect the apparent dissonance of our twofold experience.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: They do not attempt to reconcile, neither do they solve or explain it, but only reaffirm it by an open or covert dualism, and an essential division of the indivisible.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: Practically there is affirmed a dual Godhead, self or soul and nature.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: But nature, the power in things, cannot be anything else than a power of the self, the soul, the essential being of things.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Her works cannot be altogether independent of soul or self, cannot be her own contrary result and working, unaffected by its consent or refusal, or a violence of mechanical force imposed on an inertia of mechanical passivity.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: It is possible again to posit an observing inactive self and an active creating Godhead.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: But this device cannot serve us, for in the end these two must really be one in a dual aspect.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: The Godhead, the active aspect of the observing self, the self a witness of its own Godhead in action, a discord, a gulf between the self in knowledge, and the same self in its works needs explanation.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: But it presents itself as unexplained and inexplicable.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: Or again, we can posit a double consciousness of Brahman, the reality, one static and one dynamic, one essential and spiritual, in which it is self, perfect and absolute, another formative, pragmatic, in which it becomes not self, and with which its absoluteness and perfection have no concern of participation, for it is only a temporal formation in the timeless reality.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: But to us who, even if only half existent, half conscious, yet inhabit the absolute half-dream of living, and are compelled by nature to have in it a terrible and insistent concern and to deal with it as real, this wears the appearance of an obvious mystification.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: For this temporal consciousness and its formations are also in the end a power of the oneself, depend upon it, can exist only by it.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: What exists by the power of the reality cannot be unrelated to it, or that unrelated to the world of its own powers making.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: If the world exists by the Supreme Spirit, so also its ordering and relations must exist by the power of the spirit.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: Its law must be according to some law of the spiritual consciousness and existence.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: The self, the reality, must be aware of and aware in the world consciousness which exists in its being.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: A power of the self, the reality, must be constantly determining or at least sanctioning its phenomena and operations.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: For there can be no independent power, no nature not derived from the original and eternal self-existence.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: If it does no more, it must still be originating or determining the universe through the mere fact of its conscious omnipresence.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: It is, no doubt, a truth of spiritual experience that there is a status of peace and silence in the infinite behind the cosmic activity, a consciousness that is the immobile witness of the creation.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: But this is not the whole of spiritual experience, and we cannot hope to find in one side only of knowledge a fundamental and total explanation of the universe.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Once we admit a divine government of the universe, we must conclude that the power to govern is complete and absolute, for otherwise we are obliged to suppose that a being and consciousness, infinite and absolute, has a knowledge and will limited in their control of things or hampered in their power of working.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: It is not impossible to concede that the supreme and imminent divinity may leave a certain freedom of working to something that has come into being in his perfection, but is itself imperfect and the cause of imperfection, to an ignorant or inconscient nature, to the action of the human mind and will, even to a conscious power or forces of darkness and evil that take their stand upon the reign of a basic inconscience.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: But none of these things are independent of its own existence, nature and consciousness, and none of them can accept in its presence and by its sanction or allowance.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: Man's freedom is relative, and he cannot be held solely responsible for the imperfection of his nature.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: Ignorance and inconscience of nature have arisen not independently, but in the one being.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: The imperfection of her workings cannot be entirely foreign to some will of the imminence.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: It may be conceded that forces set in motion are allowed to work themselves out according to the law of their movement.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: But what divine omniscience and omnipotence has allowed to arise and act in its omnipresence, its all existence, we must consider it to have originated and decreed, since without the fiat of the being they could not have been, could not remain in existence.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: If the divine is at all concerned with the world he has manifested, there is no other Lord than He, and from that necessity of His original and universal being, there can eventually be no escape or departure.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: It is on the foundation of this self-evident consequence of our first premise without any evasion of its implications that we have to consider the problem of imperfection, suffering, and evil.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: And first, we must realize that the existence of ignorance, error, limitation, suffering, division, and discord in the world need not by itself, as we too hastily imagine, be a denial or a disproof of the divine being, consciousness, power, knowledge, will, delight in the universe.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: They can be that if we have to take them by themselves separately, but need not be so taken if we get a clear vision of their place and significance in a complete view of the universal workings.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: A part broken off from the whole may be imperfect, ugly, incomprehensible.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: But when we see it in the whole, it recovers its place in the harmony.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: It has a meaning and a use.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: The divine reality is infinite in its being.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: In this infinite being we find limited being everywhere.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: That is the apparent fact from which our existence here seems to start, and to which our own narrow ego and its egocentric activities bear constant witness.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: But in reality, when we come to an integral self-knowledge, we find that we are not limited, for we also are infinite.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: Our ego is only a face of the universal being and has no separate existence.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: Our apparent separative individuality is only a surface movement, and behind it our real individuality stretches out to unity with all things and upward to oneness with the transcendent divine infinity.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: Thus our ego, which seems to be a limitation of existence, is really a power of infinity.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: The boundless multiplicity of beings in the world is a result and signal evidence not of limitation of finiteness, but of that illimitable infinity.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: Apparent division can never erect itself into a real separateness.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: There is supporting and overriding it an indivisible unity which division itself cannot divide.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: This fundamental world fact of ego, an apparent division, and their separative working in the world existence is no denial of the divine nature of unity, an indivisible being.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: They are the surface results of an infinite multiplicity, which is a power of the infinite oneness.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: There is no real division or limitation of being, no fundamental contradiction of the omnipresent reality, but there does seem to be a real limitation of consciousness.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: There is an ignorance of self, a veiling of the inner divinity, and all imperfection is its consequence.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: For we identify ourselves mentally, vitally, physically with the superficial ego consciousness, which is our first insistent self-experience.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: This does impose on us not a fundamentally real, but a practical division with all the untoward consequences of that separateness from the reality.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: But here again, we have to discover that from the point of view of God's workings, whatever be our reactions or our experience on the surface, this fact of ignorance is itself an operation of knowledge and not a true ignorance.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: Its phenomenon of ignorance is a superficial movement, for behind it is an indivisible all consciousness.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: The ignorance is a frontal power of that all consciousness which limits itself in a certain field, within certain boundaries to a particular operation of knowledge, a particular mode of conscious working, and keeps back all the rest of its knowledge in waiting as a force behind it.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: All that is thus hidden in an occult store of light and power for the all consciousness to draw upon for the evolution of our being in nature.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: There is a secret working which fills up all the deficiencies of the frontal ignorance, acts through its apparent stumblings, prevents them from leading to another final result than that which the all-knowledge has decreed, helps the soul in the ignorance to draw from its experience, even from the natural personality's sufferings and errors, what is necessary for its evolution, and to leave behind what is no longer utilizable.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: This frontal power of ignorance is a power of concentration in a limited working, much like that power in our human mentality by which we absorb ourselves in a particular object and in a particular work, and seem to use only so much knowledge, only such ideas as are necessary for it.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_00: The rest, which are alien to it or would interfere with it, are put back for the moment.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yet, in reality, all the time, it is the indivisible consciousness which we are that has done the work to be done, seen the thing that has to be seen.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: That and not any fragment of consciousness or any exclusive ignorance in us is the silent knower and worker.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: So is it too with this frontal power of concentration of the all consciousness within us.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: In our valuation of the movements of our consciousness, this ability of concentration is rightly held to be one of the greatest powers of the human mentality.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: But equally, the power of putting forth what seems to be an exclusive working of limited knowledge, that which presents itself to us as ignorance, must be considered one of the greatest powers of the divine consciousness.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_00: It is only a supreme, self-possessing knowledge which can thus be powerful to limit itself in the act and yet work out perfectly all its intentions through that apparent ignorance.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: In the universe, we see this supreme, self-possessing knowledge work through a multitude of ignorances, each striving to act according to its own blindness.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yet through them all it constructs and executes its universal harmonies.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: More, the miracle of its omniscience appears most strikingly of all in what seems to us the action of an inconscient, when, through the complete or the partial nescience, more thick than our ignorance of the electron, atom, cell, plant, insect, the lowest forms of animal life, it arranges perfectly its order of things and guides the instinctive impulse or the inconscient impetus to an end possessed by the all knowledge, but held behind a veil, not known by the instrumental form of existence, yet perfectly operative within the instinct or the impetus.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: We may say then that this action of the ignorance orniscience is no real ignorance, but a power, a sign, a proof of an omniscient self-knowledge and all knowledge.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: If we need any personal and inner witness to this indivisible all consciousness behind the ignorance, all nature is its external proof.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: We can get it with any completeness only in our deeper inner being or larger and higher spiritual state when we draw back behind the veil of our own surface ignorance and come into contact with the divine idea and will behind it.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: Then we see clearly enough that what we have done by ourselves in our ignorance was yet overseen and guided in its result by the invisible omniscience.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_00: We discover a greater working behind our ignorant working, and begin to glimpse its purpose in us.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_00: Then only can we see and know what now we worship in faith, recognize wholly the pure and universal presence, meet the Lord of all being and all nature.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: As with the cause, the ignorance, so is it with the consequences of the ignorance.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_00: All this that seems to us incapacity, weakness, impotence, limitation of power, our will's hampered struggle and fettered labor takes from the point of view of the divine in his self-workings the aspect of a just limitation, of an omniscient power by the free will of that power itself, so that the surface energy shall be.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: In exact correspondence with the work that it has to do, with its attempt, its allotted success, or its destined because necessary failure, with the balance of the sum of forces in which it is a part, and with the larger result of which its own results are an indivisible portion.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: Behind this limitation of power is the all power, and in the limitation that all power is at work.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: But it is through the sum of many limited workings that the indivisible omnipotence executes infallibly and sovereignly its purposes.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: This power to limit its force and to work through that self-limitation, by what we call labour, struggle, difficulty, by what seems to us a series of failures or half balked successes, and through them to achieve its secret intention, is not therefore a sign, proof or reality of weakness, but a sign, proof, reality, the greatest possible of an absolute omnipotence.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_00: As to suffering, which is so great a stumbling block to our understanding of the universe, it is evidently a consequence of the limitation of consciousness, the restriction of force which prevents us from mastering or assimilating the touch of what is to us other force.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: The result of this incapacity and disharmony is that the delight of the touch cannot be seized, and it affects our sense with a reaction of discomfort or pain, a defect or excess, a discord resultant in inner or outer injury, born of division between our power of being and the power of being that meets us.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_00: Behind in our self and spirit is the all delight of the universal being, which takes its account of the contact, a delight first in the enduring and then in the conquest of the suffering, and finally in its transmutation that shall come hereafter.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_00: For pain and suffering are a perverse and contrary term of the delight of existence, and they can turn into their opposite, even into the original all delight, Ananda.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_00: This all delight is not present in the universal alone, but it is here secret in ourselves as we discover when we go back from our outward consciousness into the self within us.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: The psychic being in us takes its account even of its most perverse or contrary as well as its more as well as its more benign experiences and grows by the rejection of them or acceptance.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_00: It extracts a divine meaning and use from our most poignant sufferings, difficulties, misfortunes.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing but this all delight could dare or bear to impose such experiences on itself or on us.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing else could turn them thus to its own utility and our spiritual profit.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_00: So too nothing but an inalienable harmony of being, inherent in an inalienable unity of being, would throw out so many harshest apparent discords, and yet force them to its purpose, so that in the end they are unable to do anything else but to serve and secure, and even themselves change into elements that constitute a growing universal rhythm and ultimate harmony.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_00: At every turn, it is the divine reality which we can discover behind that which we are yet compelled by the nature of the superficial consciousness in which we dwell to call undivine, and in a sense are right in using that appellation.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: For these appearances are a veil over the divine perfection, a veil necessary for the present, but not at all the true and complete figure.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_00: But even when we thus regard the universe, we cannot and ought not to dismiss as entirely and radically false and unreal the values that are given to it by our own limited human consciousness.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_00: For grief, pain, suffering, error, falsehood, ignorance, weakness, wickedness, incapacity, non-doing of what should be done, and wrongdoing, deviation of will and denial of will, egoism, limitation, division from other beings with whom we should be one.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: All that makes up the effective figure of what we call evil are facts of the world consciousness, not fictions and unrealities, although they are facts whose complete sense or true value is not that which we assign to them in our ignorance.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Still, our sense of them is part of a true sense.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Our values of them are necessary to their complete values.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_00: One side of the truth of these things we discover when we get into a deeper and larger consciousness, for we find then that there is a cosmic and individual utility in what presents itself to us as adverse and evil.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_00: For without experience of pain, we would not get all the infinite value of the divine delight of which pain is in travail.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_00: All ignorance is a penumbra which environs an orb of knowledge.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Every error is significant of the possibility and the effort of a discovery of truth.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Every weakness and failure is a first sounding of gulfs of power and potentiality.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: All division is intended to enrich by an experience of various sweetness, of unification, the joy of realized unity.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_00: All this imperfection is to us evil, but all evil is intravail of the eternal good.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_00: For all is an imperfection which is the first condition, in the law of life evolving out of inconscience, of a greater perfection in the manifesting of the hidden divinity.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, our present feeling of this evil and imperfection, the revolt of our consciousness against them is also a necessary valuation.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_00: For if we have first to face and endure them, the ultimate command on us is to reject, to overcome, to transform the life and the nature.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_00: It is for that end that their insistence is not allowed to slacken.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_00: The soul must learn the results of the ignorance, must begin to feel their reactions as a spur to its endeavor of mastery and conquest, and finally to a greater endeavor of transformation and transcendence.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: It is possible when we live inwardly in the depths to arrive at a state of vast inner equality and peace, which is untouched by the reactions of the outer nature, and that is a great but incomplete liberation.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_00: For the outer nature too has a right to deliverance.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: But even if our personal deliverance is complete, still there is the suffering of others, the world's travail, which the great of soul cannot regard with indifference.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_00: There is a unity with all beings which something within us feels, and the deliverance of others must be felt as intimate to its own deliverance.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: This then is the law of the manifestation, the reason of the imperfection here.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_00: True, it is a law of manifestation only, and even a law special to this movement in which we live, and we may say that it need not have been, if there were no movement of manifestation or not this movement, but the manifestation and the movement being given, the law is necessary.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_00: It is not enough simply to say that the law and all its circumstances are an unreality created by the mental consciousness, non existent in God, and to be indifferent to these dualities or to get out of the manifestation into God's pure being is the only wisdom.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_00: It is true they are creations of mind consciousness.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_00: But mind is only secondarily responsible.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_00: In a deeper reality they are, as we have seen already, creations of the divine consciousness, projecting mind away from its all knowledge so as to realize these opposite or contrary values of its all power, all knowledge, all delight, all being and unity.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, this action and these fruits of the divine consciousness can be called by us unreal, in the sense of not being the eternal and fundamental truth of being, or can be taxed with falsehood because they contradict what is originally and eventually the truth of being.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_00: But all the same, they have their persistent reality and importance in our present phase of the manifestation, nor can they be a mere mistake of the divine consciousness without any meaning in the divine wisdom, without any purpose of the divine joy, power, and knowledge to justify their existence.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Justification there must be, even if it reposes for us upon a mystery which may confront us, so long as we live in a surface experience as an insoluble riddle.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_00: But if accepting this side of nature, we say that all things are fixed in their statutory and stationary law of being, and man too must be fixed in his imperfections, his ignorance, and sin and weakness and vileness and suffering.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Our life loses its true significance.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Man's perpetual attempt to arise out of the darkness and insufficiency of his nature can then have no issue in the world itself, in life itself.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Its one issue, if there is any, must be by an escape out of life, out of the world, out of his human existence, and therefore out of its eternally unsatisfactory law of imperfect being, either into a heaven of the gods or of God, or into the pure ineffability of the absolute.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_00: If so, man can never really deliver out of the ignorance and falsehood, the truth and knowledge, out of the evil and ugliness, the good and beauty, out of the weakness and vileness, the power and glory, out of the grief and suffering, the joy and delight which are contained in the spirit behind them, and of which these contradictions are the first adverse and contrary conditions of emergence.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_00: All he can do is to cut the imperfections away from him and overpass too their balancing opposites.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Imperfect also leave with the ignorance the human knowledge, with the evil the human good, with the weakness the human strength and power, with the strife and suffering, the human love and joy, for these are in our present nature inseparably entwined together, look like conjoint dualities, negative pole and positive pole of the same unreality, and since they cannot be elevated and transformed, they must be both abandoned.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Humanity cannot be fulfilled in divinity, it must cease, be left behind and rejected.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Whether the result will be an individual enjoyment of the absolute divine nature or of the divine presence or a nirvana in the featureless absolute is a point on which religions and philosophies differ.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_00: But in either case, human existence on earth must be taken as condemned to eternal imperfection by the very law of its being.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_00: It is perpetually and unchangeably an undivine manifestation in the divine existence.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_00: The soul by taking on manhood, perhaps by the very fact of birth itself, has fallen from the divine, has committed an original sin or error, which it must be man's spiritual aim as soon as he is enlightened, thoroughly to cancel, unflinchingly to eliminate.
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_00: In that case, the only reasonable explanation of such a paradoxical manifestation or creation is that it is a cosmic game, a Leela, a play, an amusement of the divine being.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_00: It may be he pretends to be undivine, wears that appearance like the mask or makeup of an actor for the sole pleasure of the pretense or the drama.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Or else he has created the undivine, created ignorance, sin and suffering just for the joy of a manifold creation.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Or perhaps, as some religions curiously suppose, he has done this so that there may be inferior creatures who will praise and glorify him for his eternal goodness, wisdom, bliss, and omnipotence, and try feebly to come an inch nearer to the goodness in order to share the bliss on pain of punishment by some supposed eternal, if, as the vast majority must, by their very imperfection, they fail in their endeavour.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_00: But to the doctrine of such a Leela, so crudely stated, there is always possible the retort that a god, himself all blissful, who delights in the suffering of creatures or imposes such suffering on them for the faults of his own imperfect creation, would be no divinity, and against him the moral being and intelligence of humanity must revolt or deny his existence.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_00: But if the human soul is a portion of the divinity, if it is a divine spirit in man that puts on this imperfection and in the form of humanity consents to bear this suffering, or if the soul in humanity is meant to be drawn to the divine spirit and is his associate in the play of imperfection here, in the delight of perfect being otherwise.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_00: The Lila may still remain a paradox, but it ceases to be a cruel or revolting paradox.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_00: It can at most be regarded as a strange mystery, and to the reason inexplicable.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_00: To explain it, there must be two missing elements, a conscious assent by the soul to this manifestation, and a reason in the all wisdom that makes the play significant and intelligible.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_00: The strangeness of the play diminishes, the paradox loses its edge of sharpness if we discover that although fixed grades exist, each with its appropriate order of nature, they are only firm steps for a progressive ascent of the souls embodied in forms of matter.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_00: A progressive divine manifestation which rises from the inconscient to the superconscient or all conscient status with the human consciousness as its decisive point of transition.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_00: Imperfection becomes then a necessary.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Term of the manifestation.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_00: For, since all the divine nature is concealed but present in the inconscient, it must be gradually delivered out of it.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_00: This graduation necessitates a partial unfolding, and this partial character or incompleteness of the unfolding necessitates imperfection.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_00: An evolutionary manifestation demands a mid-stage with gradations above and under it.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Precisely such a stage as the mental consciousness of man, part knowledge, part ignorance, a middle power of being, still leaning on the inconscient, but slowly rising towards the all-conscious divine nature.
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_00: A partial unfolding, implying imperfection and ignorance, may take as its inevitable companion, perhaps its basis for certain movements, an apparent perversion of the original truth of being.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_00: For the ignorance or imperfection to endure, there must be a seeming contrary of all that characterizes the divine nature, its unity, its all consciousness, its all power, its all harmony, its all good, its all delight.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_00: There must appear limitation, discord, unconsciousness, disharmony, incapacity, insensibility, and suffering.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Evil.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_00: For without that perversion, imperfection could have no strong standing ground, could not so freely manifest and maintain its nature as against the presence of the underlying divinity.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_00: A partial knowledge is imperfect knowledge, and imperfect knowledge is to that extent ignorance, a contrary of the divine nature.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_00: But in its outlook on what is beyond its knowledge, this contrary negative becomes a contrary positive.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_00: It originates error, wrong knowledge, wrong dealing with things, with life, with action, the wrong knowledge becomes a wrong will in the nature.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_00: At first it may be wrong by mistake, but afterwards wrong by choice, by attachment, by delight in the falsehood.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_00: The simple contrary turns into a complex perversion.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_00: In conscience and ignorance once admitted, these form a natural result in a logical sequence and have to be admitted also as necessary factors.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_00: The only question is the reason why this kind of progressive manifestation was itself necessary.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_00: That is the sole point left obscure to the intelligence.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_00: A manifestation of this kind, self-creation or Leela, would not seem justifiable if it were imposed on the unwilling creature.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_00: But it will be evident that the ascent of the embodied spirit must be there already.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_00: For prakriti cannot act without the ascent of the Purusha.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_00: There must have been not only the will of the divine Purusha to make the cosmic creation possible, but the ascent of the individual Purusha to make the individual manifestation possible.
• 1:32:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it may be said that the reason for the divine will and delight in such a difficult and tormented progressive manifestation and the reason for the soul's ascent to it is still a mystery.
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_00: But it is not altogether a mystery if we look at our own nature and can suppose some kindred movement of being in the beginning as its cosmic origin.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_00: On the contrary, a play of self-concealing and self-finding is one of the most strenuous joys that conscious being can give to itself.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_00: A play of extreme attractiveness.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_00: There is no greater pleasure for man himself than a victory which is, in its very principle, a conquest over difficulties, a victory in knowledge, a victory in power, a victory in creation over the impossibilities of creation, a delight in the conquest over an anguished toil, and a hard ordeal of suffering.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of separation is the intense joy of union, the joy of a meeting with a self from which we were divided.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_00: There is an attraction in ignorance itself because it provides us with the joy of discovery, the surprise of new and unforeseen creation, a great adventure of the soul.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_00: There is a joy of the journey and the search and the finding, a joy of the battle and the crown, the labour and the reward of labor.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_00: If delight of existence be the secret of creation, this too is one delight of existence.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_00: It can be regarded as the reason, or at least one reason of this apparently paradoxical and contrary Dila.
• 1:35:07
  SPEAKER_00: But apart from this choice of the individual purusha, inherent in the original existence, which finds its expression in the plunge into inconscience.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Its result is a new affirmation of Sachidananda in its apparent opposite.
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_00: If the infinite's right of various self manifestation is granted, this too, as a possibility of its manifestation, is intelligible and has its profound significance.