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Sharri | 28 January · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News this is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Sharry coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: The coalition has already broken up. Now the Liberals and
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Speaker 2: Nationals are competing to see who can roll their leader.
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Speaker 3: First.
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Speaker 2: Nationals MP Colin Boyce says he'll attempt to our David
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Speaker 2: Littleprowd on Monday, warning the parties in the midst of
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Speaker 2: political suicide. New South Wales Liberal leader Kelly Sloan appoints
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Speaker 2: essentially a Minister for men, saying masculinity should be celebrated.
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Speaker 4: Is it a smart intervention on.
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Speaker 2: Male suicide or a cultural or trap waiting to snap
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Speaker 2: on her? Plus after one year of the one year
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Speaker 2: ago rather the government assured us we'd seen the worst
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Speaker 2: of inflation. Well it's up again with a rape rise
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Speaker 2: tipped next week. Jim Chalmers insists, though it's all Scomo's fault.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of Scott Morrison, Scott Morrison might not hold a hose,
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Speaker 2: but at least he's got a brain and a spine.
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Speaker 2: In my Australia that already puts him in a very
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Speaker 2: exclusive minority. The former Prime Minister used a speech in
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Speaker 2: Israel overnight to do something now regarded as dangerously subversive.
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Speaker 2: He said something obvious out loud and meant it. The
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Speaker 2: former PM used the speech to put Muslim leaders in
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Speaker 2: this country on notice. He started by pointing out the
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Speaker 2: bleeding obvious. Speaking about the Bondi terror attack, Morrison said
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Speaker 2: there was an undeniable link between Islam and violent terror attacks.
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Speaker 5: It would be comforting for us to believe that the
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Speaker 5: perpetrators were simply bad and evil people, but the truth
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Speaker 5: is far more disturbing.
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Speaker 2: Now. To be clear, Morrison used qualifying words like radical
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Speaker 2: Islam and extremist Islam. He was careful not to tar
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Speaker 2: all followers of Islam with the same brush, but the
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Speaker 2: point was clear. Whether violence is inherent in Islam or
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Speaker 2: a perversion of Islam, there's no denying there's a problem
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Speaker 2: being generated within some places of the Islamic ecosystem. If
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Speaker 2: a religion of peace can be so readily distorted to
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Speaker 2: inspire violence, well that's not a branding problem, is it.
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Speaker 2: That's a system failure that really should be addressed, and
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Speaker 2: we in the West have been spectacularly reluctant to admit it,
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Speaker 2: even as the receipts pile up.
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Speaker 5: Many Islamic states seem to have shown a better understanding
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Speaker 5: of these issues than liberal Western democracies over the past decade.
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Speaker 5: God states such as Saudi Arabia, the Ua, Bahrain and Omartin,
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Speaker 5: as well as Egypt and Jordan even have taken deliberate
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Speaker 5: action to confront radical Islamic ideology.
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Speaker 2: He makes a very good point in Australia will happily
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Speaker 2: man plastic straws, but we don't even want to talk
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Speaker 2: about radical Islam. Well after fifteen Australians were shot dead
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Speaker 2: by two gunmen allegedly inspired by what the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: himself referred to as a perversion of Islam, maybe it's
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Speaker 2: worth having a grown up conversation about Islam, not because
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Speaker 2: we don't like Muslims, but because we very much do
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Speaker 2: like being able to go to the beach on a
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Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon without playing Dodgs the gee Hardist.
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Speaker 5: After December fourteen, all options to combat anti Semitism must
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Speaker 5: be on the table in Australia without fear or favor.
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Speaker 5: This includes Islam, how Islam's practice and governed in Australia.
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Speaker 2: To which everyone with a brain and a spine would
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Speaker 2: say absolutely.
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Speaker 5: The treat such issues as taboo serves only those who
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Speaker 5: wish to keep these influences opaque. And in the dark
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Speaker 5: where our two homegrown is stream islamis territrists terrorists were radicalized.
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Speaker 4: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Darkness is where extremism thrives and where Western elites apparently
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Speaker 2: feel most comfortable. More on that in a moment, Morrison
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Speaker 2: went on to suggest that if Islam keeps being twisted
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Speaker 2: to inspire hate and violence, then maybe the way Islam
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Speaker 2: is being taught needs to be looked at.
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Speaker 4: What a scandalous thought.
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Speaker 5: The governance of Islamic institutions religious institutions in Australia is
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Speaker 5: inadequate and requires urgent reform. Islamic leaders have a pastoral
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Speaker 5: duty to protect their communities from radicalization, and I believe
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Speaker 5: most take this responsibility very seriously. However, stronger institutional frameworks
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Speaker 5: would assist them, but it would also expose those who
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Speaker 5: do not share their commitment.
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Speaker 2: He then offered constructive ideas the sort of radical extremism
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Speaker 2: known as common sense. Morris en listed a range of
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Speaker 2: reforms that could be considered by the Muslim community. They
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Speaker 2: could have a register of preachers. They could create a
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Speaker 2: body to discipline preachers who teach hate or promote violence.
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Speaker 2: They could ensure religious instruction happens in English so that
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Speaker 2: everyone knows what's being said, which rather ruins the whole
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Speaker 2: nothing to see here strategy. Morrison said it would be
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Speaker 2: preferable that Islamic organizations implemented such reforms themselves for the
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Speaker 2: sake of their communities and the rest of the country.
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Speaker 5: These reforms led from within communities rather than imposed by government,
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Speaker 5: would preserve freedom of religion, strength and credible leadership, protect
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Speaker 5: the vulnerable, and rebuild trust.
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Speaker 2: It makes sense, like I said, if your religion of
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Speaker 2: peace is being manipulated to inspire atrocities, why wouldn't you
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Speaker 2: do everything in your power to combat that? And though
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Speaker 2: that's not a rhetorical question, it's a question that needs
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Speaker 2: to be asked today of Australian Islamic leaders because today
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Speaker 2: their reflex reaction was not to agree we need to
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Speaker 2: do more to keep Australian safe. Instead, they came out
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Speaker 2: firing not at radicalisthemists, but it's Scott Morrison. They've said
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Speaker 2: today that Scott Morrison's speech was quote reckless and irresponsible.
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Speaker 2: Rather than acknowledge what we all know to be true,
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Speaker 2: the Australian National Imam's Council denied there was any link
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Speaker 2: between terrorism and Islam, not a link at all.
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Speaker 4: The claim so.
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Speaker 2: Detached from reality, honestly, it should qualify for government arts funding.
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Speaker 4: They even demanded that.
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Speaker 2: We stop using terms like radical Islam and extremist Islam.
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Speaker 2: In a statement, they said, and I quote, associating terrorism
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Speaker 2: with Islam is wrong, rejected and has no factual or
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Speaker 2: moral basis. We cannot and must not blame entire communities
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Speaker 2: for the actions of a few criminal individuals. Well, let
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Speaker 2: me say this, the IMAM statement is wrong, rejected and
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Speaker 2: has no factual or moral basis. There's clearly an association
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Speaker 2: between terrorism and Islam. Ask Isis, ask the Muslim Brotherhood,
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Speaker 2: ask Al Qaida, Asksbala, asked the Teliban Hamas, Boko Haram,
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Speaker 2: Libyan Islamic fighting Group, Moroccan Islamic combat Group, Jamaiah Islamir.
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Speaker 2: There's no association between terrorism and Islam. Run that by oh,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Issama bin Laden, yasa Arafat Mohammed Attah
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Speaker 2: Abu Baka al Baghdadi.
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Speaker 4: We can keep going.
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Speaker 2: If the Imam's counsel would like a longer reading list,
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Speaker 2: As for the imam's claim that Scott Morrison was blaming
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Speaker 2: an entire community for the actions of a few, well
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Speaker 2: that's a lie and they know it.
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Speaker 4: He did no such thing.
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison pointed out that these imams may not be
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Speaker 2: the cause of radical Islamic terrorism, but they could certainly be.
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Speaker 4: Part of the solution. What hope.
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Speaker 2: However, when this nation's imams flat out deny any link
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Speaker 2: between Islam and terrorism at all, and worse attack anyone
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Speaker 2: who says anything to the contrary. In so doing, they
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Speaker 2: make their own case for government intervention. If Australia's top
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Speaker 2: Islamic leaders won't so much as even admit there's an issue,
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Speaker 2: then I tell you what they have become the issue.
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison was awake to them. Because of course, this
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Speaker 2: was all so predictable.
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Speaker 5: Some will seek to characterize my remarks as hostile to
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Speaker 5: Australia's Islamic community and even multiculturalism itself, trialing out the
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Speaker 5: usual accusations of Islamophobia. To the contrary, I am advocating
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Speaker 5: reforms that I believe will help religious leaders in our
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Speaker 5: Islamic community keep the wolves from their flock.
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Speaker 2: If Islamic leaders have no interest in addressing radical Islam.
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Speaker 2: Then we're left to rely on our government. There's a
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Speaker 2: depressing thought. Within hours of Scott Morrison's speech making the news,
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Speaker 2: Senior Government Minister Pat Conroy was echoing Australian National Imam's
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Speaker 2: Council talking points or were the imams echoing labor talking points.
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Speaker 4: It's hard to know these days.
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Speaker 6: Why the Liberal Party want to hold almost one million
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Speaker 6: Australians responsible for the acts of too individuals. A Bondai
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Speaker 6: is beyond me. It's another example of them trying to
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Speaker 6: divide Australians.
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Speaker 2: I'll be kind and call Pat Conroy disingenuous rather than
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Speaker 2: a liar. Scott Morrison was not speaking on behalf of
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Speaker 2: the Liberals would that he was. He was speaking in
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Speaker 2: his own private capacity. Scott Morrison was not blaming a
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Speaker 2: million Australian Muslims for the acts of two individuals. He
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Speaker 2: was saying we need to help a million Muslims not
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Speaker 2: have their religion corrupted by extremists. And Scott Morrison was
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Speaker 2: not trying to divide Australians. He was trying to protect Australians.
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Speaker 2: He's not promoting the vision, he's promoting civilization for goodness sake,
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Speaker 2: here's what I found interesting. Without prompting, Pat Conroy then
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Speaker 2: repeated his rubbish answer all over again just to make
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Speaker 2: sure everyone heard it.
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Speaker 4: It was clearly a rehearsed line that he was determined
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Speaker 4: to get out.
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Speaker 6: Why the Liberal Party want to hold almost one million
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Speaker 6: Australians responsible for the acts of two individuals a Bondie
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Speaker 6: is beyond me. It's another example of them trying to
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Speaker 6: divide Australians.
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Speaker 2: Conroy falsely accuses Morrison of holding a million Muslims responsible
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Speaker 2: for the acts of two individuals at Bondai, while forgetting
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Speaker 2: that just last week his government passed legislation holding a
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Speaker 2: million gun owners responsible for the actions of those saying
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Speaker 2: two individuals. The only honest thing Pat Conroy said in
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Speaker 2: that clip was and I quote, it's beyond me. Yes,
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Speaker 2: mister Conroy, it does seem to be quite beyond you.
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Speaker 2: And then came this gem.
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Speaker 6: It's clear that the two individuals who have been leashed
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Speaker 6: to have committed the vile act in Bondai fired an
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Speaker 6: extreme perversion of his lab and we've called that out
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Speaker 6: from the Prime Minister doubt, But to tar and entire religion,
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Speaker 6: I just think is unacceptable, it's not based in fact,
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Speaker 6: and it undermines social cohesion.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so Conroy agrees there's a connection between Islam and terrorism.
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Speaker 2: He concedes that Bondi attack was to a perversion of Islam,
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Speaker 2: but then he insists we mustn't talk about it because
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Speaker 2: that risks undermining social cohesion. Well, mister Conroy, if social
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Speaker 2: cohesion is so flimsy, so fragile, so delicate that we
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Speaker 2: can't even talk about Islam without accusations of islamophobia, well
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Speaker 2: I don't think much of your social cohesion. This is
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Speaker 2: a government pretending at social cohesion while practicing soft blasphemy laws.
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Speaker 6: Every Australia should have the right to follow their religion
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Speaker 6: in peace in his country, as long as they follow
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Speaker 6: all the laws of the land.
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Speaker 2: Yes they should, mister Conroy, Yes they should. Every Australian
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Speaker 2: should also have the right not to be treated like
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Speaker 2: an idiot. Every Australian should have the right to critique religion,
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Speaker 2: including Islam, without being charactertured or labeled divisive. And every
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Speaker 2: Australian should have the right to go to Bondai Beach
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Speaker 2: this weekend confident they'll make it home. Conroy then had
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Speaker 2: the city to say this.
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Speaker 7: We've passed even stronger hate laws. We would have passed
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Speaker 7: ulification laws if we'd had to support of the coalition.
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Speaker 7: So for now so Liberal Party politicians, both former and
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Speaker 7: current Awayne is just incredibly hypocritical and troubling.
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Speaker 4: You are kidding me.
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Speaker 2: The first thing your government did after passing stronger hate
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Speaker 2: laws was to block a Jew from coming to Australia.
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Speaker 2: And why because he had made comments critical of Islam.
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison should count himself fortunate to have an Australian passport. Otherwise,
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Speaker 2: after his comments last night in Israel, he might not
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Speaker 2: have been allowed home. Welcome to the late stages of
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Speaker 2: Western civilization and I'm not joking about that. Haven't listened
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Speaker 2: to Treasurer Jim Chalmers when asked about Scott Morrison's speech. Now,
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Speaker 2: remember we've had fifteen Australians murdered in an alleged Islamist attack.
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison suggests we might want to have a conversation
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Speaker 2: about Islam, and this is the Treasurer's response.
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Speaker 8: Typically, Scott Morrison has a very different objective. He's a
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Speaker 8: pretty divisive figure.
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison's divisive for daring to raise the subject of Islam.
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Speaker 2: To be honest, I don't care if Scott Morrison is
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Speaker 2: divisive or not.
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Speaker 4: Is he right? That's the question.
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Speaker 2: But charmers won't go near that question because the only
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Speaker 2: thing that scares our leaders more than division is truth.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, welcome to the late stages of Western civilization. Well,
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Speaker 2: joining me now is my panel Sky News contributed Joe
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Speaker 2: Hildebrand and former Victorian Labor Party president Michael Kroger.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to you both, with great to be here. Michael,
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Speaker 4: let me start with you.
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Speaker 2: You're in Athens, I believe, but you would have heard
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Speaker 2: sam speech.
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Speaker 4: What did you make of it?
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I think there's a lot of truth in
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Speaker 9: what Scott Morrison has said. As you correctly pointed out,
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Speaker 9: we've vilified a million gun owners for the actions of
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Speaker 9: two so you know, we have a problem with radical
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Speaker 9: Islam in Australia and in the Western world. And that
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Speaker 9: fellow Pat Conry, he's utterly delusional, so he's a captive
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Speaker 9: like the Labour Party is, unfortunately to a massive number
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Speaker 9: of Muslim voters in a number of inner city Sydney seats,
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Speaker 9: and he plays up to them. But we don't have
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Speaker 9: a problem with the Hindus. We don't have a problem
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Speaker 9: with other religions in Australia. We do have a problem
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Speaker 9: with radical Islam, with radical Islam preachers, hate preachers, demonstrations
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Speaker 9: where we have terror symbols calling to the death and
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Speaker 9: then you know death the idef These are all coming
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Speaker 9: from radical Islam supporters. And I think, you know, Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 9: there's a lot in what he said which is quite
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Speaker 9: quite relevant. We've got to do something in this country
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Speaker 9: to stop hate preachers, to stop the murder of Jews
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Speaker 9: on Bondo Beach, and Scott Morrison's put forward some very
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Speaker 9: good suggestions. So I would hope the government and the
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Speaker 9: Opposition would treat what he said very seriously. Certainly was
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Speaker 9: treated very seriously yesterday in Israel.
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Speaker 2: Joe, do you think Scott Morrison's comments will then open
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Speaker 2: the door for this to be able to be discussed
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Speaker 2: or do you think people like Pat Conroy the Imam's
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Speaker 2: Council will succeed in having this discussion shut down and
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Speaker 2: we'll all just move on.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, you have to be able to talk about these things.
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Speaker 10: Of course, it's an interesting question. So my understanding is
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Speaker 10: that to become a shake in Islam, it's a much
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Speaker 10: less formal process than say in the Catholic or Anglican church,
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Speaker 10: where they're official. There's official training, there's an official sort
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Speaker 10: of curriculum. If you like that you have to follow.
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Speaker 10: You then have to be accredited as a priest or
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Speaker 10: an Anglican priest, or a deacon, then a priest whatever,
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Speaker 10: and that that doesn't take place in Islam. Basically, as
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Speaker 10: long as you can garnerk out and it's like a
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Speaker 10: lot of Protestant you know, like a lot of Protestant branches,
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Speaker 10: you know, as long as you can draw a crowd
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Speaker 10: to listen to what you want to say, that's fine.
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Speaker 10: You're a preacher and that's you know, that's all you
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Speaker 10: need to do. So maybe Morrison is calling for a
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Speaker 10: bit more regulation. It's a bit ironic given that his
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Speaker 10: branch of Christianity is like that.
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Speaker 2: I think his point was he was calling on Islamic
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Speaker 2: leaders to regulate themselves. Government intervention would be the last resort.
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Speaker 2: But I was depressed, as I said in my editorial,
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Speaker 2: by the response of me. I think it would be
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Speaker 2: like runs counsel. They shut him down and said he's
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Speaker 2: being ridiculous.
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Speaker 10: So I think it would be like, you know, almost
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Speaker 10: restarting the Reformation. So I'd be like telling you a
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Speaker 10: Catholic priest, an Anglican priest, you know, a Methodist, a Baptist,
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Speaker 10: a Pentecost or whatever. Right, you just sought out what
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Speaker 10: Christianity is and then come back when you're read it.
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Speaker 10: So it's just we should be able to talk about it.
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Speaker 10: But you've got so many different people in a very
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Speaker 10: unstructured way who have taught themselves. They might have studied,
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Speaker 10: study with other scholars, taught themselves the Quran as they
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Speaker 10: see and if you want to interpret the Kuran literally,
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Speaker 10: it can be an extremely violent book. And that I
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Speaker 10: think is one of the differences to the Bible that Islam.
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Speaker 10: You know, Jesus sort of conquered the world by allowing
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Speaker 10: himself to be nailed to a Christ and sacrificing his life.
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Speaker 10: Muhammad rallied great armies and took over all the people,
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Speaker 10: you know, took over all the cities that had rejected him,
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Speaker 10: and you know, smote all the people who had you know,
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Speaker 10: questioned him. And that's all great as well. Plenty of
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Speaker 10: religions and history has that narrative. But again there's so
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Speaker 10: many different parts of it that I just don't see
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Speaker 10: how it would be workable, I think, and I think
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Speaker 10: one of the reasons why it Laybor doesn't want to
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Speaker 10: talk about Islam as much as others would like it
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Speaker 10: to is because it doesn't want to make radical, murderous
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Speaker 10: fundamentalist Islamists think that that.
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Speaker 2: Is actually is I totally disagree with you on that
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Speaker 2: that is what they see. I can probably don't think
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Speaker 2: they're concerned about, you know, the thoughts of islamus. So
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Speaker 2: I think they're concerned about votes and losing votes because
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Speaker 2: it's because like people like organizations are the true Islam right,
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Speaker 2: and so if you say, yes, all Muslims are the problem,
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Speaker 2: then you or Islam is the problem.
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Speaker 10: Then isis says, see it is true Islam.
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Speaker 4: Let me ask you that, Michael.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that's what the government are worried about
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Speaker 2: or do you think they're simply worried about votes and
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Speaker 2: they don't want to offend the Muslim community more broadly.
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Speaker 9: The latter clearly, you know. Look, let Joe, seriously, the
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Speaker 9: bottom line here is that labor are a captive to
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Speaker 9: in their branches in Western Sydney. They're full of people
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Speaker 9: of Islamic faith, and that's fine. You know, when we
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Speaker 9: join up people from religions, we get it or I
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Speaker 9: think groups we get accused of ethnic brand stacking or
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Speaker 9: religious brand stacking. No one's been accusing the Lover Party
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Speaker 9: of that, even though we've seen Tony Berks branches. I
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Speaker 9: think Jason Clair's branches very heavily Muslim focused. And you
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Speaker 9: know a number of those electrics twenty five or thirty
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Speaker 9: percent of them from a man Issulama background.
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Speaker 3: And that's that's fine.
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Speaker 9: But they certainly have an unprecedented amount of influence on
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Speaker 9: this labor government, as evidenced by the fact that they
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Speaker 9: should three thousand visas to people from Gaza to come
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Speaker 9: to Australian Palestinians under pressure from the Muslim voters in
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Speaker 9: those seats. I think we're the second largest, second biggest
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Speaker 9: country in the world in terms of issuing visas to
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Speaker 9: people from Gaza.
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Speaker 3: I mean, why Australia was taking them.
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Speaker 9: We know the reason because Woong and Albanisi and Burke
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Speaker 9: are under massive pressure from Muslim voters in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Very good, all right, let's talk about domestic politics. David
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Speaker 2: Little Proud is heading back to Parliament next week, still
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Speaker 2: refusing to name a Nationals's only front bench. In like fashion,
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee hasn't named replacements for the Nationals who left
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Speaker 2: her front bench, so you've.
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Speaker 4: Got Liberals and Nationals alike.
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Speaker 2: Worried that once the vacant shadow spots are filled, it
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Speaker 2: will look or lock in the divorce and make the
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Speaker 2: reunion difficult. Michael, it seems like both sides are sort
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Speaker 2: of playing chicken here waiting for the other to blink.
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Speaker 4: That is that what is going on?
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Speaker 3: Well, partly that's what's going on.
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Speaker 9: Look, the truth of the matter is this Liberal party
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Speaker 9: in the National Party have the best chance of winning
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Speaker 9: an election if they're in coalition.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't need to be Robert Einstein. You know.
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Speaker 9: Eline must to know that, and so the sooner they
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Speaker 9: get back in coalition the better. This is the second
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Speaker 9: time the National Page withdrawn from the coalition since the
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Speaker 9: May election, and David Little Proud, after he wins the
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Speaker 9: ballot next week, has got to go back to Susan
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Speaker 9: Lee and say, look, let's put all this behind.
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Speaker 3: Us and get back into get back into coalition.
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Speaker 9: Otherwise, what a separate Liberal front bench, a separate well,
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Speaker 9: that won't go well for.
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Speaker 3: The National Party.
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Speaker 9: I can tell you that if you have the One
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Speaker 9: Nation vaded in rural Australia in the minute, particularly on
20:43
Speaker 9: the and seaboard, that's not going to go well for
20:45
Speaker 9: the National Party. So the best option for them, and
20:48
Speaker 9: the best option for the Liberal Party is going to
20:50
Speaker 9: be back in coalition. And I simply say this to
20:53
Speaker 9: David little Proud. You know this is the second time
20:55
Speaker 9: David since May, and it should be the last time.
20:58
Speaker 9: Get back into coalition, stop all this nonsense and focused
21:01
Speaker 9: on the real enemy, which is alb and easy hated it,
21:04
Speaker 9: as we said before by people like woman Bert Well.
21:07
Speaker 2: The big loser here, Joe is the country, isn't it.
21:09
Speaker 2: We've got a terrible labor government. How does it benefit
21:13
Speaker 2: the country when the opposition haven't got all their shadow
21:16
Speaker 2: ministry portfolios?
21:18
Speaker 4: Fields?
21:19
Speaker 2: How do you keep a government to account when for
21:21
Speaker 2: political purposes you are resisting having shadow front Benjaminister.
21:25
Speaker 10: Yeah, well it's certainly bad for conservatives. I mean for
21:28
Speaker 10: conservative Australians. This is basically the Liberals, the Nationals and
21:32
Speaker 10: almost effectively One Nation saying oh we don't never want
21:35
Speaker 10: to hold government, We never actually want to be in
21:37
Speaker 10: a position to enact any of our policies. We just
21:39
Speaker 10: want to fight among ourselves, tear each other apart and
21:42
Speaker 10: accuse each other of not being the right kind of conservative.
21:46
Speaker 10: I mean, Michael obviously is absolutely right. But you know,
21:49
Speaker 10: I mean labor firstly, Labor just loves this. Labor is
21:52
Speaker 10: just rapped. They just cannot believe their luck. Talk about
21:54
Speaker 10: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But if there
21:59
Speaker 10: is no mathematical way that either the Liberal Party or
22:03
Speaker 10: the National Party can form government separately, even as a coalition,
22:08
Speaker 10: it was there were some very very serious questions about
22:11
Speaker 10: how they could possibly regroup, shore up their base again
22:14
Speaker 10: while it'll still be able to reclaim teal seats and
22:17
Speaker 10: the big money that comes from them. That was hard enough,
22:21
Speaker 10: that required something like a messiah to start with doing
22:24
Speaker 10: working together if everything went right, and now they've just
22:28
Speaker 10: split up without any plan whatsoever. I mean, the most
22:31
Speaker 10: astonishing thing about this is that it wasn't even a
22:34
Speaker 10: deliberate schism. It wasn't even a deliberate coup, Like they
22:38
Speaker 10: just sort of accidentally. It's like they just walked over
22:40
Speaker 10: a manhole and just disappeared, like they just said, oh what, hey,
22:44
Speaker 10: on what let's split from the coalition to get.
22:46
Speaker 4: Of head Bob Bob?
22:48
Speaker 11: Was this?
22:48
Speaker 4: Did you send that?
22:49
Speaker 12: Eil?
22:49
Speaker 4: What?
22:50
Speaker 10: It was just this cascading you know, cascading sort of
22:54
Speaker 10: one crisis after another that just led to them just
22:57
Speaker 10: sort of all falling off the cliff like lemmings. And
23:00
Speaker 10: I've never seen anything like it in my life. I
23:02
Speaker 10: can two see why Michael's sort of shaking his head
23:05
Speaker 10: in dismay, like this is just not how grown ups
23:08
Speaker 10: are supposed to act, let alone smart political operators. And
23:13
Speaker 10: of course now they are saying, oh, we're not going
23:15
Speaker 10: to have any front rands because we won't be able
23:17
Speaker 10: to unscramble the egg if we do that. In the meantime,
23:21
Speaker 10: one nation is going to just swallow up the Nats
23:24
Speaker 10: if they're on their own.
23:25
Speaker 4: But again, it.
23:26
Speaker 10: Won't you know, that won't matter to labor anyway, because
23:29
Speaker 10: while one nation might be able to replace the Liberals
23:32
Speaker 10: or the Nationals as the main opposition party, there's just
23:34
Speaker 10: no way mathematically it can actually get into government because
23:38
Speaker 10: it's not going to attract enough moderate suburban votes. And
23:42
Speaker 10: so the question the right has to ask itself is
23:45
Speaker 10: does it want to.
23:46
Speaker 4: Be in power.
23:47
Speaker 10: Ever, ever, ever, again, We do not have the voting
23:51
Speaker 10: system of the UK, so you cannot be more like
23:53
Speaker 10: Nigel Farage and think you're going to get it. We
23:55
Speaker 10: do not have the voting system of the US, so
23:56
Speaker 10: you cannot be more like Donald Trump. You go and
23:58
Speaker 10: get it. Either you compromise, you put your differences behind you,
24:01
Speaker 10: and you agree on what needs to be done to
24:03
Speaker 10: actually get into government and act at least some of
24:05
Speaker 10: the things that you believe in. Or you can be
24:07
Speaker 10: like the Greens and just winge and wine and protest
24:10
Speaker 10: from the sidelines, and then you can go to bed
24:12
Speaker 10: at night thinking I'm the best most ideologically pure right
24:15
Speaker 10: winger in the world and I'll never see the Treasury benches.
24:18
Speaker 10: But it doesn't matter, because I can go to bed
24:20
Speaker 10: with my head held high and maybe a bit of it.
24:23
Speaker 4: It's funny, Joe, I thought the Victorian Liberals were the
24:25
Speaker 4: only thing that's amazing that want to be in power.
24:27
Speaker 2: Data said, hold my beer, you go, Michael Kroger, Joe
24:31
Speaker 2: Hildebrand always until life as a pleasure, My friends. All right,
24:34
Speaker 2: all week we've been speculating about a liberal leadership spill,
24:38
Speaker 2: but it looks like the Nationals will beat them to
24:40
Speaker 2: the punch, while Hasty and Taylor are playing shy on
24:43
Speaker 2: challenging Susan Lee. Nationals MP Colin Boyce announced today that
24:47
Speaker 2: he will attempt to roll David Little Proud on Monday.
24:51
Speaker 11: And we do have to get this coalition back together again.
24:55
Speaker 11: And that's just why I will announce to you right
24:57
Speaker 11: here today you heard it first. I will be leaving
25:00
Speaker 11: a spill motion on Monday afternoon in the National Party
25:03
Speaker 11: party room to give my colleagues an option because the
25:09
Speaker 11: reality is is they follow the course thereon. Now we
25:12
Speaker 11: are going over the political cliff.
25:16
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Nationals MP Michael McCormack. Michael, welcome
25:20
Speaker 2: to the program, Thanks James. Will David Little Proud still
25:23
Speaker 2: be leading the Nationals this time next Monday.
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Speaker 1: Yes he will, Yes, he will.
25:28
Speaker 13: David has the numbers and I appreciate it's very messy,
25:32
Speaker 13: but it as that famous political philosopher Katie Perry said,
25:38
Speaker 13: it's never really over. The coalition will hopefully get back
25:42
Speaker 13: together and we will move on. As I say, I'm
25:47
Speaker 13: in Victoria at the moment, and people have lost their
25:49
Speaker 13: homes through the fires in Queensland, they've had a mud
25:53
Speaker 13: sweeping through from the floods.
25:55
Speaker 1: To their homes.
25:56
Speaker 13: And we've got mortgage holders now facing the prospers having
26:00
Speaker 13: to pay twenty one hundred and ninety two dollars more
26:03
Speaker 13: because of the inflation situation. We've got people feeling not secure,
26:09
Speaker 13: not safe and across the country, and we've got to
26:12
Speaker 13: cost the living crisis, and we're talking about ourselves.
26:16
Speaker 1: James, it's not good enough. It has to stop.
26:19
Speaker 13: Let's get these these spill or spills out of the way.
26:23
Speaker 1: Let's let the two leaders.
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Speaker 13: Have cool heads, get together and get the coalition back
26:28
Speaker 13: on track.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned that great political philosopher Katy Perry. The other
26:34
Speaker 2: political philosopher that I'm fond of. I think it was
26:36
Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus who said I came in like a wrecking ball, which.
26:39
Speaker 4: Would seem to be pretty apt at the moment for
26:41
Speaker 4: the coalition as we're going to come back.
26:43
Speaker 2: Listen, you say that David Little Proud will be the
26:47
Speaker 2: leader after the spill.
26:49
Speaker 4: Does that mean you'll be supporting David Little Prowd.
26:52
Speaker 13: Well, look, I will support the leader, and look, I
26:55
Speaker 13: appreciate that there's been a lot of things go wrong.
26:58
Speaker 1: There's been a few quite a few missed. There's fold
27:01
Speaker 1: on both sides.
27:02
Speaker 13: But I do shoot the blame home to Labor for
27:04
Speaker 13: putting in rush legislation last week. Anthony Albanezi must be
27:08
Speaker 13: just sitting back grinning like a Cheshi cat with what's
27:11
Speaker 13: now gone on.
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Speaker 1: But they were the ones who put a gun reform into.
27:16
Speaker 13: The parliament, gave us an hour and accorder to debate it,
27:18
Speaker 13: and they're ninety nine minutes to debate a hate speech
27:21
Speaker 13: legislation which was vastly changed from the legislation which went
27:26
Speaker 13: to the Shadow Cabinet on the Sunday night.
27:29
Speaker 2: And when cry to interrupt, Michael, sorry to interrupt, Please
27:32
Speaker 2: forgive me, but aren't you simply aren't you simply saying
27:34
Speaker 2: that Anthony Abanzi is a much better politician than your leader.
27:38
Speaker 13: Oh look, Labor will always be better at the politics
27:40
Speaker 13: than not very good at the policy. We're the opposite
27:43
Speaker 13: way around, where sometimes we're hopeless of the politics, but
27:46
Speaker 13: we do have people's good intentions at heart, and we
27:49
Speaker 13: do have the economic fortunes of the country first and foremost.
27:55
Speaker 13: And you can't just always play politics. Labor has again
27:58
Speaker 13: played politics over a very serious and sad situation with
28:03
Speaker 13: BONDI and they have and I have to say, whatever
28:06
Speaker 13: they brought into the Parliament and rushed through the Parliament
28:10
Speaker 13: last week, I really doubt whether it's going to have
28:14
Speaker 13: a huge difference with anti Semitis.
28:16
Speaker 1: I voted for the Hate Speech Bill because I wanted
28:18
Speaker 1: to see.
28:18
Speaker 13: The end of Hootz to Teria and the National Socialist Network,
28:24
Speaker 13: and thankfully it looks as though they may well be
28:28
Speaker 13: subject to this legislation.
28:30
Speaker 1: They will be outlawed, and that was the only legislation
28:34
Speaker 1: towards that. But these protests will continue and that will
28:38
Speaker 1: provide more hate speech.
28:41
Speaker 13: Unless our magistrates are going to stop these protests, the
28:46
Speaker 13: violent protests where they're throwing rocks and spitting it police
28:49
Speaker 13: and all that sort of thing, it's going to continue.
28:52
Speaker 2: So on that point, Michael, why don't you put your
28:54
Speaker 2: hand up for the leadership. You've been there before and
28:57
Speaker 2: you were smart enough to vote with the Liberals in
29:01
Speaker 2: that vote.
29:02
Speaker 4: You get the politics. Why don't you put your own
29:04
Speaker 4: hand up well?
29:06
Speaker 1: Because David's the leader.
29:07
Speaker 13: I just want the issue resolved and I want the
29:09
Speaker 13: coalition back together.
29:11
Speaker 1: I had my turn and look at if.
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Speaker 13: Circumstances were different and enough members came to me and said, Michael,
29:18
Speaker 13: we want you back as the leader. Will I'd consider it,
29:20
Speaker 13: But David's the leader. He's been duly elected by the
29:24
Speaker 13: party after the election, which is the due convention, and
29:30
Speaker 13: he's got the support in the room. Now, good on Colin.
29:33
Speaker 13: Colin's a boiler maker by trade. He's worked across central
29:37
Speaker 13: and regional Queensland. He's been a local government member, he's
29:43
Speaker 13: been in state politics in the Queensland Parliament.
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Speaker 1: He brings a wealth of experience to Canberra.
29:51
Speaker 13: And I appreciate it's his opportunity to put his name
29:55
Speaker 13: forward and good luck to him. In the Democratic Party
29:57
Speaker 13: that we are. We allow that that David has the numbers,
30:01
Speaker 13: then I think David will be the leader continuing on
30:04
Speaker 13: after next week. I just want him to get back
30:07
Speaker 13: to the Liberals and make sure that we get the
30:10
Speaker 13: reunification of the coalition, because if we let that go
30:13
Speaker 13: for too long, it is going to be disastrous, and
30:16
Speaker 13: it is going to be disastrous on a whole number
30:18
Speaker 13: of fronts.
30:19
Speaker 2: You're right, if you let it go too long, it's
30:21
Speaker 2: a disaster. But if you make up, you know, in
30:24
Speaker 2: the next little while it will look just looks silly
30:26
Speaker 2: people ask why did you break up in the first place?
30:29
Speaker 4: Just quickly before I let you go.
30:30
Speaker 2: A new paul out yesterday has one Nation within five
30:33
Speaker 2: percent of Labour's primary vote and has Pauline Hanson well
30:37
Speaker 2: ahead of Susan Lee as preferred prime minister.
30:40
Speaker 4: So clearly Australians like her.
30:41
Speaker 2: But here's what you said about Senator Hanson on Sky
30:45
Speaker 2: this morning.
30:47
Speaker 13: Well, it's easy to throw out the barbs when things
30:50
Speaker 13: are going wrong, and Pauline is very good at that.
30:52
Speaker 1: She knows how to draw attention and to get the public.
30:55
Speaker 2: City is reducing Pauline Hanson to an attention seeker the
31:00
Speaker 2: way to win back voters have drifted to one nation.
31:03
Speaker 13: Well, I'm certainly not saying that she's an attention seeker,
31:05
Speaker 13: but you look at one nation over the time that
31:09
Speaker 13: they've been in Pauline Hanson, over the time that she's
31:11
Speaker 13: been has she has she as.
31:13
Speaker 1: Matt Cannevan says, has she actually built anything.
31:15
Speaker 13: She put any beachman on the roads, as she built
31:17
Speaker 13: any healthcare clinics, as she indeed done anything.
31:22
Speaker 1: Of that sort. She has been a.
31:24
Speaker 13: Politician who has very much found fault with what either
31:29
Speaker 13: side is doing. And when you've got a lot of
31:31
Speaker 13: dissatisfaction out in the community with politicians of major parties
31:35
Speaker 13: not talking about the bread and butter issues, someone like
31:38
Speaker 13: Pauline Hanson fills that forward. Fifteen hundred people were pulled
31:42
Speaker 13: out of eighteen point one three three million eligible voters.
31:47
Speaker 1: And look, we have to take it seriously, Absolutely we do.
31:50
Speaker 13: But we have to as coalition members get back to
31:53
Speaker 13: the issues of mister and missus average and the issues
31:55
Speaker 13: that they're concerned about, putting food on the table, being
31:58
Speaker 13: able to pay the end.
31:59
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's what we should be talking about.
32:02
Speaker 1: But god' psych I hope after next week we.
32:04
Speaker 2: Are you and me both, Michael McCormack, you and me both,
32:07
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me.
32:09
Speaker 4: All right, it still to come.
32:10
Speaker 2: As Melbourne hits forty five degrees, a TELMP wants to
32:12
Speaker 2: start naming heat waves in the same way that we
32:15
Speaker 2: name cyclones.
32:17
Speaker 4: That's up next.
32:22
Speaker 2: Melbourne has just hit forty five degrees. In the olden days,
32:25
Speaker 2: we used to call it summer. These days it's the
32:27
Speaker 2: end of the world and a q for climate catastrophists
32:30
Speaker 2: like Nick Ryan to start hyperventilating. The tel MP says
32:34
Speaker 2: it's time to start naming heat waves like we do
32:37
Speaker 2: cyclones to make people take them seriously. She even floats
32:41
Speaker 2: naming them after big emitters, saying, and I quote, naming
32:44
Speaker 2: heat waves after big emitters would correct a long standing asymmetry.
32:48
Speaker 2: Community short shoulder the health burden, while polluters keep their
32:52
Speaker 2: reputations clean. People act faster when they grasp the steaks.
32:57
Speaker 2: Category four heat waves Santos would be more salient than
33:01
Speaker 2: a hot spell. Sure, and maybe we should name blackouts too.
33:04
Speaker 2: Blackout Bowen has her into it, power outage, dissenter grid failure.
33:08
Speaker 4: Of melanascus. The end the list is endless.
33:11
Speaker 2: Joining me now is environment editor at the Australian newspaper
33:14
Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd Graham naming heat waves? Is it a good
33:19
Speaker 2: idea or is it just political theater?
33:22
Speaker 12: Well, it's really the continuation of a long campaign to
33:27
Speaker 12: catastrophize the weather. I guess we could call the first
33:31
Speaker 12: one sonny, and that would be naming where the heat's
33:35
Speaker 12: coming from. But in a way it's more serious than that,
33:40
Speaker 12: because we're saying, now we've got these dreadful runs of
33:43
Speaker 12: hot weather. The last time this happened was a twenty nineteen,
33:49
Speaker 12: so truly unprecedented and people should be scared, and it
33:55
Speaker 12: is designed to scare people, and it's designed to tell
33:59
Speaker 12: them that they shouldn't be exposed to hot weather. They
34:02
Speaker 12: should be air conditioned, they should have every facet of
34:05
Speaker 12: their life controlled and the government can take care of
34:08
Speaker 12: that for you. So there is an insidious sight to it.
34:12
Speaker 12: We're going to reclassify the impact of hot weather on
34:16
Speaker 12: the death figures because there's been an embarrassment that the
34:20
Speaker 12: figures don't make it sound serious enough. So now the
34:24
Speaker 12: push is that, well, if someone dies while the weather
34:26
Speaker 12: was hot, they they probably died from the hot weather.
34:29
Speaker 12: And who knows where this goes, but you can guarantee
34:34
Speaker 12: it goes towards people submitting to the state and having
34:39
Speaker 12: to pay for it.
34:40
Speaker 2: Well, Greensley that Larissa Waters has taken to Twitter shouting
34:43
Speaker 2: that Australia is quote the hottest place on Earth right now.
34:46
Speaker 2: She's blaming coal and gas of course, saying coal and
34:49
Speaker 2: gas companies should pay for the damage. I don't want
34:52
Speaker 2: to get scientific, Graham, but it's January, and in January
34:56
Speaker 2: it's winter in the Northern Hemisphere. Therefore Australia is frequently
35:00
Speaker 2: hotter than most places on Earth. Is that fair to say.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think that's fair to say, and really the
35:06
Speaker 12: reverse is true. It's pretty cold in the United States
35:09
Speaker 12: right at the moment because they're in the northern hemisphere.
35:12
Speaker 12: It should surprise absolutely nobody that Australia is relatively hot.
35:19
Speaker 12: And it's basically a function on how the world functions.
35:23
Speaker 2: And if we did, as Larissa Waters want, stop all
35:25
Speaker 2: coal and gas immediately, how much difference would it make
35:29
Speaker 2: to Australian temperatures because she seems to imagine that Australia
35:32
Speaker 2: has its own atmosphere.
35:34
Speaker 12: Whether this is certainly the misconception or the thing that's
35:40
Speaker 12: too difficult for people to understand that Australia is a
35:44
Speaker 12: relatively small figure in the global scheme of things, that
35:52
Speaker 12: there's absolutely nothing we can do as a country or
35:56
Speaker 12: continent on our own behavior or emissions that will make
36:00
Speaker 12: any difference whatsoever.
36:02
Speaker 2: Now, Graham, God created a way for people survive hot weather.
36:05
Speaker 4: It's called air con.
36:06
Speaker 2: But of course you can't cool the house if you
36:08
Speaker 2: don't have power, So it would seem to me blackouts
36:12
Speaker 2: are a bigger danger to Australians than summer, a point
36:15
Speaker 2: made by energy expert Danny Price, who says it's only
36:17
Speaker 2: a matter of time before a multi city heat wave
36:21
Speaker 2: means demand for electricity outstrip supply and crashes the grid completely.
36:27
Speaker 2: He said Cole was upholding the entire Eastern Seaboard on
36:30
Speaker 2: Monday and supplying sixty five percent of Victoria's power on Tuesday.
36:35
Speaker 2: At the rate we're going, he says, significant grid failure
36:38
Speaker 2: is not a matter of if. But when do you
36:41
Speaker 2: agree with that assessment?
36:43
Speaker 12: Well, I think it's an assessment that the engineers have
36:46
Speaker 12: been pulling forward for a long period of time. Danny
36:49
Speaker 12: Price is an expert in this field. He's making the
36:53
Speaker 12: point that there was a large shortage of supply in
36:57
Speaker 12: South Australia recently. They were propped up by being able
37:01
Speaker 12: to import power and other things. And if we are
37:05
Speaker 12: to have these heat waves and they happen to occur
37:10
Speaker 12: in several places at once in the major population centers,
37:14
Speaker 12: we are going to run out of supplies and we
37:17
Speaker 12: will have blackouts.
37:19
Speaker 1: The bigger story.
37:21
Speaker 12: Is that we have a railroad of coal closures by
37:25
Speaker 12: mandate and nothing to replace it. So we either have
37:30
Speaker 12: to succeed in replacing it or find a way to
37:34
Speaker 12: keep the coal power.
37:35
Speaker 2: Going, or we could name heat waves and that will
37:38
Speaker 2: solve everything. Graham Lloyd, appreciate your time, thanks for joining me. Well,
37:43
Speaker 2: we're going to go to a break when we come back.
37:46
Speaker 2: Inflation is on the rise. Jim Charmers, of course blames
37:49
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison. That's coming up next Well, one year ago
37:56
Speaker 2: the government assured us that the worst of inflation was
37:58
Speaker 2: behind us. If only inflation listen to government talking points.
38:02
Speaker 2: But it's jumped again and our markets are betting on
38:04
Speaker 2: a rate rise next week. Treasurer Jim Chalmers is pushing
38:07
Speaker 2: back hard on claims that public spending is to blame.
38:11
Speaker 8: If our budget was the problem, If public spending was
38:14
Speaker 8: the problem, then we wouldn't have seen three interest rate
38:16
Speaker 8: cuts last year and the big moderation that we saw
38:20
Speaker 8: in inflation. If you look at our record on the budget,
38:23
Speaker 8: what you can see is we've been able to get
38:25
Speaker 8: the budget in substantially better nick than what we inherited
38:28
Speaker 8: from our predecessors.
38:31
Speaker 2: Right, so when rates were cut last year, that was
38:33
Speaker 2: because of labor. But if rates go up next week,
38:36
Speaker 2: it's all Scott Morrison's fault. Joining me now is eminence advisories.
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Speaker 4: Dmitri.
38:40
Speaker 2: Dmitri bushed in Dmitri, thanks for joining me. Should rates
38:45
Speaker 2: be hiked next week?
38:46
Speaker 4: Yes?
38:46
Speaker 13: Or no?
38:47
Speaker 4: Hi James, thanks for having me.
38:48
Speaker 14: Yes they should They well, nobody wants some hiked, but
38:52
Speaker 14: they will likely be increased. I was one of the
38:54
Speaker 14: few commentators who as late as August last year, as
38:57
Speaker 14: early as August last year, said they shouldn't have been cut,
39:00
Speaker 14: and December I said there should have been increased. The
39:03
Speaker 14: inflation figures of today suggest that inflation hasn't gone away,
39:08
Speaker 14: and it's been made worse by this government's policies.
39:11
Speaker 4: What it has been made worse?
39:12
Speaker 2: And I wanted to ask you what do we read
39:15
Speaker 2: into rising inflation?
39:17
Speaker 4: Is it government policies or is it other factors.
39:19
Speaker 14: I'll beyond a shadow of doubt it's government policies. It's
39:22
Speaker 14: government's spending which is stoking demand, and it's a government's
39:27
Speaker 14: regulatory asphyxiation of the economy that's choking supply. When you
39:32
Speaker 14: stimulate demand and choke supply, you're going to get rising prices.
39:36
Speaker 14: You can see it across the board and the figures.
39:38
Speaker 14: It's not just housing. It's across the board. It's energy, housing, tobacco, alcohol, entertainment,
39:46
Speaker 14: it's everywhere.
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Speaker 4: It's systemic.
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Speaker 2: So when Jim Chalmers says, stands there and straight faced
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Speaker 2: says nothing to do with government spending, how do you
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Speaker 2: react to that?
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Speaker 14: I laugh the RBA. He says, it's got to do
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Speaker 14: with the government spending. Most credible economists say it's got
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Speaker 14: to do with government spending. The capital markets say it's
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Speaker 14: got to do with government spending. It's like an episode
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Speaker 14: of Seinfelder. You know, if you believe it, you know
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Speaker 14: it's not a lie.
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Speaker 2: It does seem to be how this government operates. It's
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Speaker 2: been four years since labor came to power. For Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers to stand there four years in and talk about
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Speaker 2: what we inherited from the last lot, how long can
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Speaker 2: a treasurer keep doing that and retain credibility.
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Speaker 14: Well, you're assuming he has credibility at the moment. But
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Speaker 14: he's going to keep doing it, and he's going to
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Speaker 14: keep blaming international conditions and the dog ate his home
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Speaker 14: he's briefing book. The reality is we're in an economy
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Speaker 14: that is the product of government policy. It's been four
40:47
Speaker 14: years industrial relations reform, you know, regulatory expansions everywhere, out
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Speaker 14: of control, spending, the comwealth debt was effectively zero two
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Speaker 14: thousand and seven. It is at right now, sitting at
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Speaker 14: nine hundred and eighty eight billion dollars. It's possible it'll
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Speaker 14: crack a trillion this Friday. As early as this Friday.
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Speaker 2: Well, you don't paint a particularly rosy picture, and we'll
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Speaker 2: see what happens next week, what the RBA do. But
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Speaker 2: certainly the economy needs a lot of work, and we're
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Speaker 2: all trusting that Jim Chalmers has got it in hand
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Speaker 2: to meet You appreciate your joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: As I said, we're trusting that the Treasurer has things
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Speaker 2: in hand, and it gives me great hope that despite
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Speaker 2: inflation numbers, Jim Chalmers is absolutely focused on the economy.
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Speaker 8: I understand that when we're seeing the disintegration of the
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Speaker 8: far right in Australian politics, that that's of interest to
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Speaker 8: political junkies and politics watchers and commentators. I understand that.
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Speaker 8: But my focus is really the inflation numbers, the housing data,
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Speaker 8: the numbers in the budget.
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Speaker 4: Oh thank god for that.
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Speaker 2: Here's the treasurer laser focused on inflation numbers.
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Speaker 8: Now we've got one fella from north of here. He's
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Speaker 8: gone from telling everyone he wants to leave the National
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Speaker 8: Party and now today says he wants to lead it.
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Speaker 4: And here he is focusing intently on the housing data.
42:22
Speaker 8: The National Party, the Liberal Party, the far right of
42:25
Speaker 8: Australian politics is really descending into face. It's a kind
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Speaker 8: of a binfire of far right personality politics.
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Speaker 4: And here's the Treasurer focusing, as he said, on the budget.
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Speaker 8: For sure, the Australian people that even with the disintegration
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Speaker 8: of the coalition, even with their kind of unanifying attempts
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Speaker 8: to just try and be a parlor shade of orange,
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Speaker 8: the government's very focused on the cost of living, on housing,
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Speaker 8: on our economic challenges, and we won't be distracted by
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Speaker 8: the fire which is the former coalition.
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Speaker 2: He sounds very very focused, doesn't he still to come?
43:06
Speaker 2: Kir Starmer heads to China for a state visit, taking
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Speaker 2: with him berner phones and throw away laptops. What does
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Speaker 2: that tell you about the real state of the UK's
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Speaker 2: relationship with China and Jimmy Kimmel breaks down crying over
43:18
Speaker 2: the fatal shooting of a Minneapolis ICU nurse. Kosher Garda
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Speaker 2: will join me after the break.
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Speaker 4: Kiirs Starmer is in China.
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Speaker 2: This week, the first visit by a UK leader in
43:31
Speaker 2: eight years. But he's gone in expecting trouble. His entire
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Speaker 2: delegation has been issued with Berner phones and throw away
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Speaker 2: laptops with strict instructions no personal devices because of fears
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Speaker 2: about spying.
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Speaker 4: Joining me.
43:46
Speaker 2: Now, is Skyne, his contributor, Kosher Garda Kosher Starma taking
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Speaker 2: Berner phones to China. What does that tell you about
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Speaker 2: how much trust really exists here?
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Speaker 15: Probably not a lot, James Rich as always, But you know,
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Speaker 15: I guess that's the nature of geopolitics. Everybody spies on everybody,
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Speaker 15: some even friends, allies alike, as well as adversaries. Some
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Speaker 15: do it a little bit more within maybe the remit
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Speaker 15: of sort of a rules order understanding. People like China
44:16
Speaker 15: or actors like China might be a little bit more
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Speaker 15: breezen and state run and how they do it. But
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Speaker 15: the reality is China is a major power. That is
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Speaker 15: how they operate. They're very good at espionage. Everybody knows it,
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Speaker 15: and the UK and everybody else has to figure out
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Speaker 15: a way to work with them. Notwithstanding the fact that
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Speaker 15: the trust is inherently going to be low.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's going to say if you need to take
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Speaker 2: a throwaway laptop just to do diplomacy. I'm not sure
44:40
Speaker 2: how you build any real trust. And of course this
44:43
Speaker 2: is happening while the UK is allowing the Chinese to
44:46
Speaker 2: build a massive embassy in the center of London close
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Speaker 2: to communication cables. Is there not a disconnect between those
44:53
Speaker 2: two positions.
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Speaker 15: Yes, I think there's a lot of disconnect where if
44:59
Speaker 15: you wanted to a realist's view of how to work
45:02
Speaker 15: with a power like China that is a manufacturing hub
45:05
Speaker 15: of the world a billion people. There are diasporas all
45:07
Speaker 15: over the place. There are other things such as, okay,
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Speaker 15: the embassy that you mentioned, immigration policy is like a
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Speaker 15: big elephant in the room of how much you're allowing
45:16
Speaker 15: them into Western universities, and is that where spycraft is happening?
45:19
Speaker 15: Among other things, trade relationships, all of that, and it
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Speaker 15: feels often like a lot of these Western powers are
45:25
Speaker 15: not really taking any of that stuff seriously, while maybe
45:29
Speaker 15: show voting a little bit about China and then doing
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Speaker 15: things like this, which feels a little bit performative. I
45:34
Speaker 15: don't think taking burner laptops and phones is the answer.
45:37
Speaker 15: If you're turning a blind eye to all of those
45:39
Speaker 15: other things, if you're really serious about shaking up the
45:41
Speaker 15: relationship and the way you manage China.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, all right, let's go to the US.
45:45
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel has broken down in tears on air after
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Speaker 2: Minneapolis ICU nurse Alex Pretty was shot dead in an
45:52
Speaker 2: altercation with ICE agents. Kimmel says he spent the weekend
45:56
Speaker 2: shot and sick and told the Pretty family you are
45:59
Speaker 2: not alone, and have a look.
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Speaker 16: If our leaders are intentionally creating and encouraging violence and fear,
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Speaker 16: then I hope you will also agree we need new
46:09
Speaker 16: leaders because these are not leaders. And to the people
46:20
Speaker 16: of Minneapolis, to the Pretty family and the Good family,
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Speaker 16: and these people were looking out for their neighbors, we
46:29
Speaker 16: want you know that we are with you and you
46:31
Speaker 16: are not alone.
46:35
Speaker 4: Now, Kosha.
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Speaker 2: Everyone believes the death of Pretty was a tragedy, But
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Speaker 2: has Jimmy Kimmel ever cried about US citizens being assaulted, raped,
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Speaker 2: or murdered by illegals.
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Speaker 4: That would be a no.
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Speaker 15: And it really is extra unfortunate or again performative. Actually,
46:53
Speaker 15: just to go back to that point, because Jimmy Kimmel
46:55
Speaker 15: loves to cry on camera, he loves it.
46:57
Speaker 4: I was looking it up.
46:58
Speaker 15: He cried at the end of his show, like his
47:01
Speaker 15: closing episode of twenty twenty five, he cried after he
47:04
Speaker 15: was taken off the air because of the way he
47:06
Speaker 15: handled Charlie Kirk, who I also note he did not
47:08
Speaker 15: shed a tier four, but did quite the opposite. He
47:10
Speaker 15: cried the day after Trump got elected in twenty twenty four,
47:13
Speaker 15: his very next show, he shed tears over that. So
47:15
Speaker 15: he seems to have no problem shedding a whole bunch
47:17
Speaker 15: of tiers for all sorts of things. But I don't
47:19
Speaker 15: think he ever found one for Lake and Riley or
47:21
Speaker 15: Jocelyn Gare and all these other examples of people Kate
47:24
Speaker 15: Steinley who have been brutalized, assaulted and killed by illegals.
47:28
Speaker 15: The FEDS are doing their job. As you say, it
47:31
Speaker 15: is tragic. It is a mess, for sure, the way
47:33
Speaker 15: things are going down there. But that is, unfortunately what
47:36
Speaker 15: it looks like. If you've got upwards of twenty million illegals,
47:39
Speaker 15: you have states that are not cooperating with the Feds.
47:41
Speaker 15: You had the population that voted for this mandate, and
47:45
Speaker 15: the team is trying to deliver on that mandate, and
47:46
Speaker 15: unfortunately that does get ugly.
47:49
Speaker 2: A reporter at the Australian Up in Tennis. Tallment wanted
47:51
Speaker 2: to talk about Trump's controversial round up of illegal migrants,
47:55
Speaker 2: but a US tennis player learn a tea and was
47:57
Speaker 2: he was having none of it.
47:58
Speaker 4: Have a look, it's.
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Speaker 17: Been a big day for both you and Ivayovitch. You
48:03
Speaker 17: really sort of feel like the future for American tennis
48:05
Speaker 17: between you. It's also interesting that you're both second gen
48:08
Speaker 17: immigrants in the US, Like in the context of everything
48:11
Speaker 17: that's happening at the moment with Trump and Ice, like
48:13
Speaker 17: what does your heritage mean to you? And how important
48:15
Speaker 17: are immigrants to America and American sport today?
48:23
Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't I really want it to talk about
48:26
Speaker 4: that right now. I love this sportsman.
48:29
Speaker 2: How refreshing was that Kosher? I just want to talk
48:32
Speaker 2: about tennis. I'm not going to do politics.
48:33
Speaker 15: Things very reminded me of Sydney Sweety who ent viral
48:38
Speaker 15: drinks were similar a couple of months ago, And of
48:41
Speaker 15: course the og Michael Jordan and his famous line in
48:44
Speaker 15: the nineties Republicans by sneakers too. Definitely refreshing, and I
48:48
Speaker 15: think they're still in the minority, but it is nice
48:50
Speaker 15: to see a couple of them break ranks, and you know,
48:52
Speaker 15: I just stick to your lane, is what I would
48:54
Speaker 15: say to journalists talk about sports.
48:56
Speaker 2: Milennia Trump's got a documentary hitting cinemas on Friday. US
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Speaker 2: all have spent around forty million dollars on the project,
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Speaker 2: with another almost forty million marketing it.
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Speaker 4: I did laugh at a bit of the trailer. I
49:08
Speaker 4: have a look at this.
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Speaker 1: Hi, mister President, congratulations.
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Speaker 15: Did you watch it?
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Speaker 1: I did not.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I will see it on the news. KOSHERI are
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Speaker 4: you going to go and see the Milania documentary?
49:31
Speaker 15: They thank you for nothing else. The fashion will be glorious.
49:34
Speaker 15: We all know that, so it'll be fun. And she
49:36
Speaker 15: really is a walking, living, breathing indictment to the fashion
49:39
Speaker 15: industry to that point. Everybody always talks about how they
49:42
Speaker 15: have snubbed her and never put her on a cover,
49:43
Speaker 15: even she literally was a fashion model. So I think
49:45
Speaker 15: that part would be fun, and it's also going to
49:47
Speaker 15: be interesting commercially to see how it does. They're very
49:50
Speaker 15: polarizing figures, as we know, and I'm very curious to
49:53
Speaker 15: see how many people pay for tickets and turn out
49:55
Speaker 15: to watch it.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely well. It opens this weekend. Kosher Gata I'll see
49:59
Speaker 4: it the movies. Thanks for joining me. That's all I've
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Speaker 4: got time for tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow, But right now is Paul Murray