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Phillies offseason to-do list w/Amaro, Will JT or Schwarbs return? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: We are going to lay out the off season to
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Speaker 1: do list for the Philadelphia Phillies right now with Ruben
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Speaker 1: of different spots, including on Phillies broadcasts and the so
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Speaker 1: popular Phillies Show one of the three stars of the
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Speaker 1: show there, Ruben. Great to have you on and let's
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Speaker 1: do this right from the jump. You know this and
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Speaker 1: how to do this more than anyone. As a former
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Speaker 1: GM of the Phillies, how would you lay out their
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Speaker 1: off season strategy one through three? Top of your list.
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Speaker 2: Great to be with you guys right out of the shoot.
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's a more important position than the
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Speaker 3: catching position.
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Speaker 2: On the field. I know Kratzy well would believe that.
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Speaker 3: Number One, I think they have to figure out what
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Speaker 3: they're going to be doing at the catching position.
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Speaker 2: Obviously with JT. Realmuto being a free agent, that's a
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Speaker 2: big one.
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Speaker 3: Number Two, they got to figure out that big bat
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the lineup, whether it's going to
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Speaker 3: end up being you know, the kyleeg Sharberers of the world,
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Speaker 3: but you know that big bat in the middle of
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Speaker 3: the lineup that's really important for them.
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Speaker 2: And then finally, it's the bullpen.
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Speaker 3: They have to tighten that bullpen up and get somebody
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Speaker 3: to take the baseball to Juan Duran, I think the
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Speaker 3: pen has to be addressed as well.
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Speaker 2: Those would be the three and in that order for me.
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Speaker 4: All right, Well, catcher the most important position on the field,
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Speaker 4: not some utility in field or whatever position you really were.
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Speaker 4: I know you played some left, but whatever catcher is it?
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Speaker 2: JT.
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Speaker 4: Real, Muto or bust for the Phillies Because you look
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Speaker 4: at the market, there's not a lot out there. And
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Speaker 4: I don't think Aaron Stubbs and Raphael Marshawan are putting
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Speaker 4: together one hundred and sixty two games between the two
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Speaker 4: of them.
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Speaker 2: I would tend to agree with you. I like Marshaan
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Speaker 2: a lot.
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Speaker 3: I just don't know if he can if he can
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Speaker 3: catch one hundred games, one hundred and ten games. I
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Speaker 3: like Stubby as well. I like both of those guys.
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Speaker 3: I just don't know whether you can put your egg
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Speaker 3: in that basket. And JT is as good as anybody preparing.
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Speaker 3: I think the pitchers have a tremendous amount of confidence
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Speaker 3: in his preparation, his knowledge what they feel and how
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Speaker 3: they feel throwing to him. I think in a lot
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Speaker 3: of ways, it is JT or bust, And if it's
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Speaker 3: not JT, then they're gonna have to figure out some way,
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Speaker 3: some ingenious way to try to get somebody in a trade, somehow,
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Speaker 3: some way. Just because, with all due respect to raf
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Speaker 3: L Marshawn and to Garrett Stubbs, I mean, you're talking
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Speaker 3: about two pretty garden good backups. I just don't know
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Speaker 3: that with the importance of what you know this team
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Speaker 3: is about, which is pitching. I think that's their biggest strength.
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Speaker 3: They have to have somebody who can handle that pitching
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Speaker 3: and do it well.
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Speaker 4: I want to reiterate what you said there because you
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Speaker 4: actually had a conversation with me after my twenty twelve season.
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Speaker 4: People were like, well, do they need to re sign
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Speaker 4: Carlos Ruiz? Do they need to? Like, It's like, I
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Speaker 4: had a good season, but a backup is way different
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Speaker 4: than a starting catcher. Can you say what goes into
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Speaker 4: maybe trying to sign a guy like this who clearly
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Speaker 4: sees the team you were a GM, sees the team
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Speaker 4: needs a starting catcher. He's probably gonna get in a
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Speaker 4: three year, fifteen million dollar range. How hard is that
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Speaker 4: for you? And I know, you worked with mister Montgomery
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Speaker 4: when you were the GM, and he was very straightforward.
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Speaker 4: He was very much market Hey, we want to treat
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Speaker 4: this guy right. How hard is that for you as
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Speaker 4: a GM when you're trying to lure him back? Oh,
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Speaker 4: and you really need it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's difficult.
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Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a rock and a hard
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Speaker 3: place because the you know, the agent knows, and the
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Speaker 3: player knows that they really need him, and they also
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Speaker 3: know that the marketplace out there is not very strong.
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Speaker 2: I mean, where else are they going to go?
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Speaker 3: That said, I do think JT loves it in Philadelphia.
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Speaker 3: I think this is the place he wants to be.
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Speaker 3: They did have a situation like this earlier in his
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Speaker 3: career and he ended up signing back with him. It's
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Speaker 3: not the first time this might happen. But I think
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Speaker 3: that JAT also owes it to himself to find out
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Speaker 3: where the marketplace is right. That's that's the beauty of
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Speaker 3: being a free agent, and that's what he's gonna do.
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Speaker 3: There may be a team out there that goes crazy.
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Speaker 3: Buster Posey might say, the Giants might say, Hey, guess what, brother,
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Speaker 3: I need a catcher too. I'm gonna go to four years.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to some ridiculous number. Who knows
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Speaker 3: does Steve Cohen go that crazy knowing that even though
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Speaker 3: he's got a young catcher, you know, in his stable,
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Speaker 3: maybe he wants to get a veteran guy because he
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Speaker 3: knows how important that catching position is. Who knows, I
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Speaker 3: know it's important. The whole industry knows it's important. And
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Speaker 3: he's really the only guy out there. He is older,
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Speaker 3: and his offensive numbers are starting to drift south, but
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Speaker 3: his ability to handle the staff is as good as
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Speaker 3: any in baseball. And you know, you start thinking about
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Speaker 5: Hey, Ruben, nice to officially meet you. We're gonna move
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Speaker 5: down that checklist and go to the big bat. Kyle
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Speaker 5: Schwarber probably the obvious choice, but it feels like the
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Speaker 5: theme of the offseason right now is breaking up the band.
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Speaker 5: You know, we saw what happened with Marcus Sime and
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Speaker 5: Brandon Nimo. Are we looking at a situation maybe in
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Speaker 5: Philadelphia where I know Schwarber is not the problem in
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Speaker 5: that clubhouse, and they'll be a fall up with that.
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Speaker 5: But is it Are they at the point where they've
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Speaker 5: had this band together for so long that maybe some
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Speaker 5: parts need to be separated a little bit to see
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Speaker 5: where the Phillies can really go.
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Speaker 2: KP.
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Speaker 3: This is why, and great to see you again and
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Speaker 3: to meet you here on on territory. I have to
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Speaker 3: say for the Phillies' is one of the most fascinating
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Speaker 3: off seasons ever because yes, they have two great players
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Speaker 3: that they want to bring back and are really important
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Speaker 3: to this ball club and to the heart of this
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Speaker 3: ball club in Schwarber and JT.
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Speaker 2: But at the same.
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Speaker 3: Time, they cannot run it back. They just cannot do
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Speaker 3: that because they've seen what it happens at the end
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Speaker 3: of the day, and it's really important for him to
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Speaker 3: mix it up now.
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Speaker 2: So where do they go?
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Speaker 3: I do believe that Schwarber is one of the most
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Speaker 3: influential players in baseball in a lot of ways, not
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Speaker 3: just on the field with what he does, but off
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Speaker 3: the field with what he brings to the table. This
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Speaker 3: is a guy that if I was a GM I've
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Speaker 3: been fighting my rear end off to bring to my
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Speaker 3: ball club because he wins, He understands what it is
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Speaker 3: to be a teammate.
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Speaker 2: His teammates love him. He is a community service guy.
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Speaker 3: He's really the total package and it's really nice to
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Speaker 3: be able to have spent some time with the man.
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Speaker 3: And the difficulty of that is, if you bring him
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Speaker 3: back for the Phillies, do they have the flexibility in
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Speaker 3: their payroll to really do much more? I know we
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Speaker 3: talked about bringing JT back already. So they bring both
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Speaker 3: these guys back, where do they go? How do they
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Speaker 3: change things up? This is where Dave Dombrowski's you know,
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Speaker 3: his role in this situation is not just a difficult one,
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Speaker 3: but a little bit rock in a hard place because
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Speaker 3: they may have to change things up and in some
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Speaker 3: ways they're gonna have to be ready to go to
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Speaker 3: Plan B or C, and it may not.
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Speaker 2: It sounds crazy.
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Speaker 3: Even though I would love to have Schwarber back and
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Speaker 3: he's such an integral part of the team, if they
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Speaker 3: don't bring him back, that does give them a chance
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Speaker 3: to do some other things.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they bring up Pete Alonzo in.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they think that that's the right handed bat that
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Speaker 3: gives a little protection for Harper. Maybe it's a go bashet,
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Speaker 3: someone to mix things up, who can play a variety
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Speaker 3: of infield positions, just to change up this ball club,
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Speaker 3: which I think is an essential piece of this too
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Speaker 3: fascinating offseason. And I honestly I don't want to be
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Speaker 3: in Davin Bowski's shoes.
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Speaker 5: In terms of if Shoorber doesn't come back, are Harper's
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Speaker 5: days playing the outfield over? Does he now become a
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Speaker 5: DH assuming you bring in a guy like Pete Longso
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Speaker 5: to play first base, and in your opinion, Schwarber if
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Speaker 5: he's gone, is Harper the next guy in line to
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Speaker 5: kind of be that leader or is it was it
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Speaker 5: kind of a leader by committee with Schwarber and Harper.
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Speaker 2: I think it's more of a leader by committee.
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Speaker 3: Just to answer your last question first, I think Schwarber
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Speaker 3: probably is a little bit more vocal, someone who would
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Speaker 3: tend to put his arm around a guy a little
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Speaker 3: bit more than maybe Harper would JT.
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Speaker 2: Quiet leader.
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Speaker 3: Also, a lot of these guys starts. I think this
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Speaker 3: is one of the reasons why Harrison Bader coming on
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Speaker 3: at the end of the year was so important for
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Speaker 3: this ball club because they don't have too many like
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Speaker 3: quote unquote energy or raw Rod type guys, and I
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Speaker 3: think you can overstate that sometimes, but for this Phillies team,
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Speaker 3: I think it was important because everybody's just so calm
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Speaker 3: and professional that maybe you do need a little swagger,
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Speaker 3: Maybe you do need a little something something in that clubhouse.
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Speaker 3: It's it is so interesting to see how things will
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Speaker 3: play out. As far as Harper is concerned, He's they're
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Speaker 3: really happy with him at first base. He's made an
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Speaker 3: amazing adjustment. He's made himself a pretty damn good first baseman.
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Speaker 3: I think down the road he's gonna end up wanting
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Speaker 3: to be a d H. I don't know there's any
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Speaker 3: question about that. But I think he still has the
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Speaker 3: ability to go to the outfield and and I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I know it's gonna probably depend on whether it's a
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Speaker 3: Scott Bores client or or something like that, where whether
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Speaker 3: or not, you know, Harper goes back out to the outfield.
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Speaker 3: If I were a betting man, I would assume that
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Speaker 3: unless a Pete Alonso comes on board, that he's probably
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Speaker 3: locked in to first base. And even I Pete Alonzo
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Speaker 3: does come on board, they may just share that DH.
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Speaker 2: Role rather than move Harper out to right field.
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Speaker 3: I think he's feeling really comfortable there, and frankly, I'd
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Speaker 3: be surprised that he would move out to right field
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Speaker 3: unless unless they end up getting two pieces and it
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Speaker 3: sort of puts them in a position to make their
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Speaker 3: best team with him in right field and maybe Alonso
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Speaker 3: or someone like that.
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Speaker 2: At first, I.
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Speaker 4: Mean, he got drafted as a catcher. Ruben, come on,
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Speaker 4: think with your head here. We can get Harper change.
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Speaker 4: You know, Mookie switched to shortstop and should have want
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Speaker 4: to gold gloves, So why can't Harper switch the catcher? No,
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Speaker 4: I won't. I won't put that on you. You didn't say that,
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Speaker 4: but I will put it on you. The one part
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Speaker 4: of the team in the NLDS, part of the Phillies
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Speaker 4: team that was beaten by the Dodgers, because the Phillies
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Speaker 4: out hit the Dodgers, the starting pitching beat the vaunted
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Speaker 4: Dodgers starting pitching. They out pitched him the bullpen. And
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Speaker 4: you said, they need to do they need to do
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Speaker 4: some big things. Obviously Alvarado will be coming back, and
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Speaker 4: you know, you don't know what he's gonna give you,
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Speaker 4: but obviously nine million dollars, it was an easy yes.
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Speaker 4: And then Johann Duran is going to be the closer.
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Speaker 4: What are they looking for and is it something that
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Speaker 4: I think maybe Dombrowski fell short last offseason building it
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Speaker 4: up enough.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the trickiest part of the game, I think,
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Speaker 3: because you just don't know what you're gonna get from
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Speaker 3: year to year. I mean, unless you're Mariano Rivera, you
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Speaker 3: really don't know what you're gonna get out of your
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Speaker 3: bullpen guys, and they have a phenomenal closer now made
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Speaker 3: a great tray to get Deron.
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Speaker 2: Now you've got to get somebody to hand the baseball
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Speaker 2: to him. Now.
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Speaker 3: He got Robertson at the end of the year, which
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Speaker 3: I think was important. He was hoping that Kirkering would
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Speaker 3: be able to handle that. They had a bunch of
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Speaker 3: other you know guys Romano that they tried. It's a
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Speaker 3: difficult process and I think it's really important. There's a
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Speaker 3: lot of things that are hinging on where they go here.
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Speaker 3: Do they have the confidence and Kirkering can bounce back
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Speaker 3: from that very very difficult playoff series and the one
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Speaker 3: particular play does he have it in him to be
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Speaker 3: able to bounce back and be a guy that can
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Speaker 3: be a set up guy. I think that he can
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Speaker 3: in some ways, but you can't necessarily count on that
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Speaker 3: to be the guy. They're thinking about the possibility of
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Speaker 3: maybe moving Strong just to change things.
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Speaker 2: Up a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Because they have Alvarado and they have Tanner Banks from
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Speaker 3: the left side, maybe they move Strom in a deal
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Speaker 3: where they go lefty for righty. I think they need
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Speaker 3: a right hander in addition, or someone that can get
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Speaker 3: both rights and lefties out in the eighth inning that
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Speaker 3: they can hand the ball to Drawn with knowing that
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Speaker 3: they can, you know, make this like more of a
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Speaker 3: six out game. And that's why I think the bullpen
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Speaker 3: is a huge one for them. Maybe somebody can step
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Speaker 3: up from the minor leagues. Maybe this young kid named
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Speaker 3: Gage can step forward at some point during the course
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Speaker 3: of the season.
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Speaker 2: I think that's a long shot. I don't know that
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Speaker 2: he has the ability to do that. I know they
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Speaker 2: want to make him a starter, but I do think
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Speaker 2: that the bullpen is.
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Speaker 3: An important piece here and love to have somebody be
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Speaker 3: able to hand the baseball to Deron.
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Speaker 4: All right off your list and maybe not necessarily the
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Speaker 4: Dombrowski Way in the off season but traits you already
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Speaker 4: mentioned possibly Strom to be creative. But last year I
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Speaker 4: heard rumors of Costianos and Boem packaged for Kyle Tucker.
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Speaker 4: Is there a trade from the position player standpoint that
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Speaker 4: could net them some of these three needs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well they're sort of locked into you know, they're
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Speaker 3: locked in the turnered into Harper. They're not going anywhere.
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Speaker 3: They're the big contracts that basically are going nowhere. Wheelers
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Speaker 3: not going anywhere, and I don't think NOA is going
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Speaker 3: anywhere either. So they've got some pretty big contracts that
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Speaker 3: aren't being moved. Now, can you move a guy like Stott.
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Speaker 2: He's under control.
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Speaker 3: Can you move a guy like Bom, he's under control
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Speaker 3: for just one more year? What is the value out
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Speaker 3: there for a guy like that unless it's a team
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Speaker 3: that just needs that one piece for one year, a
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Speaker 3: right handed bat. I mean, there's value in Alec Bohem,
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Speaker 3: there's no question. But his value might be for the Phillies.
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Speaker 2: He might be a higher value. And that's one of
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Speaker 2: the reasons why he never got moved last year.
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Speaker 3: So it will be very interesting how they're going to
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Speaker 3: ingeniously try to and and and have a little ingenuity
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Speaker 3: to be able to move pieces around to change things up.
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Speaker 2: I love Stott. I think he's improving.
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Speaker 3: I think he made an adjustment with his hands and
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Speaker 3: at the end of the season last year to get
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Speaker 3: closer to who he is. And he's a guy that
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Speaker 3: probably has at least as far as out there in
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Speaker 3: the industry.
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Speaker 2: I think he has a little bit more value than
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Speaker 2: does Alec Bohm.
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Speaker 3: But I don't really necessarily want to move the guy
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Speaker 3: because he's a baseball player. So it's a tough situation
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Speaker 3: that Debrowski's in.
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Speaker 6: I do think that Alec Bohm has value. The question
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Speaker 6: is do you move that guy and do you just
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Speaker 6: switch things up just to switch him up, or do
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Speaker 6: you move that guy and bring back something of real value?
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Speaker 6: Can you bring somebody who is a sort of a
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Speaker 6: lockdown eighth inning guy for the next few years, because
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Speaker 6: you're you know, if you walk away from Alec Bohm,
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Speaker 6: man that's like close to what thirty some doubles ninety
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Speaker 6: plus RBIs and someone who actually makes pretty consistent contact.
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Speaker 1: In the middle of your order.
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Speaker 4: I guess they could always move on to Aiden Miller
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Speaker 4: from the minor leagues, and Justin Crawford could be in
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Speaker 4: the outfit, all that stuff. You got to listen to
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Speaker 4: You guys do a great job, but it's Todd's Alecki,
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Speaker 4: Jim Salisbury and you Ruben Tomorrow. Who is Manny, Moe
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Speaker 4: and Curly from the Three Stooges. If you guys are
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Speaker 4: if you guys are playing each role.
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Speaker 3: Well, the funniest guy, I don't know how you I
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Speaker 3: don't know which one you ranked the funny, how funny
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Speaker 3: these guys are, But the funniest guy is Jim Salisbury,
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Speaker 3: without question.
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Speaker 2: I think the straight man is is Todd's Alecki and me,
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Speaker 2: I'm just sort of a wild card.
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Speaker 3: You never know what you're gonna get out of me.
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Speaker 3: But but I would say I would be the Moe,
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Speaker 3: I would think, I think that the Curly would probably
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Speaker 3: be Jim Salisbury.
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Speaker 2: That's sort of my guess.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, But.
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Speaker 2: We have a great we have a great time. We
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Speaker 2: have a great time and we enjoy it.
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Speaker 3: Those guys are lifelong great writers and also love the
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Speaker 3: game with a great passion.
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Speaker 2: So it's fun to be with those guys.
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Speaker 1: Well Ruben, great stuff, dude, Awesome to have you, thanks
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Speaker 1: for running through the list, perfect guy to do it.
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Speaker 1: And tons of Phillies content on the Phillies Show, YouTube channel,
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Speaker 1: podcast pages wherever you get them.
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Speaker 2: Go check it out.
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Speaker 1: This is the spot and the Phillies should have some
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Speaker 1: activity here. There's the nice mugs for each of them, Todd,
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Speaker 1: Jim and Ruben looking great. It's part of the ft network.
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Speaker 1: Super super popular for Phillies fans and for anybody that
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Speaker 1: even hates the Phillies like maybe Mets fans or Braves fans.
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Speaker 3: Go check it out.
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Speaker 1: Ruben, thank you, good to see you and have a
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Speaker 1: great holiday.
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Speaker 6: Dude.
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Speaker 2: Great to be with you. Guys. KP. Nice to meet you.
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Speaker 2: At least I know I've seen you, and I've had
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Speaker 2: a lot of great respect for you. Of course. Cratsy
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Speaker 2: love you, my friend, Scott. Good to see you, guys.
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Speaker 2: Have a great, great holiday.
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