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Brian Thomas with Peter Bronson -- 12/5/25 · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: very happy variety to you, even extra special as I
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Speaker 1: look across the board here and see my dear friend,
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Speaker 1: brilliant man. He is Peter Bronson. He was with The
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Speaker 1: Inquirer and he has written a million books. He's got
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Speaker 1: his own publishing company, Chili Dog Press dot com, which
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Speaker 1: Peter Bronson. Great to see you man. Good to see you, Brian.
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Speaker 1: It's always good to be with you. I love talking
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Speaker 1: with you. I love your books, and I encourage my listeners.
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Speaker 1: If you want to see all the books he's written,
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Speaker 1: get a synopsis of them. Just buy them. You're gonna
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Speaker 1: love each and every one of them. Just go to
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Speaker 1: Amazon and type in Peter Bronson. We've got a new
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Speaker 1: one to talk about today, Magical history, tour, Murder mystery,
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Speaker 1: Buried History. It sounds like a hell of a lot
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Speaker 1: of fun. I'm sure he had time writing about it.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about that in a second.
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Speaker 1: But first, and I know we've always been impacted. Everybody
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Speaker 1: eleven am. Josh Barkols love you man, hope you have
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Speaker 1: a very successful event now over the Magical History Tour.
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Speaker 1: I saw the synopsis on this the first time I've
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Speaker 1: even seen the book. It's in my hand right now.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Peter for signing my copy. This is five
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Speaker 1: short stories. Now you've done other books and you elaborate
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Speaker 1: and you go on at length about some period in history,
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Speaker 1: early days in Ohio, northern Kentucky. Oh Man, did we
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Speaker 1: learn a lot about the Civil War?
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Speaker 2: It was amazing book. I loved it. Man who saved Cincinnati? This?
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Speaker 1: And when I call a book a bathroom book, I
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Speaker 1: use that as a compliment because you can kind of
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Speaker 1: pick it up through part of it. You're not writing
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Speaker 1: an entire novel, and you're done with that segment, so
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Speaker 1: we can kind of call it this. Maybe the stories
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Speaker 1: are a little longer than your traditional bathroom book, but
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Speaker 1: five different stories. So how did you like whittle it
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Speaker 1: down or how'd you come up with these stories?
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Speaker 2: Because they're the the details.
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Speaker 1: I have a really fascinating and kind of strange too,
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Speaker 1: like the first serial killer in Cincinnati, Yeah, who knew?
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Speaker 3: That's kind of the theme or the niche I have
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Speaker 3: is who knew? Who knew that Cincinnati was attacked by Confederates?
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Speaker 3: Who knew the first serial killer in Cincinnati was a woman,
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Speaker 3: and in nineteen thirty eight, and she probably killed more
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Speaker 3: than a dozen people before they caught her. And the
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Speaker 3: story of her trial is fascinating one of the things
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Speaker 3: that's a good highlight of how these stories work and
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Speaker 3: how one leads to another. So while I'm researching her,
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Speaker 3: I looked at the prosecutor or handled her case. I thought,
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Speaker 3: this guy sounds kind of interesting, So I dive in
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Speaker 3: and look at him. His name was Dudley out Cault.
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Speaker 3: The out Cults were a long time, very well known
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Speaker 3: group of lawyers. They were active in the party and
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Speaker 3: the politics and as prosecutors and judges.
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Speaker 1: Well, this guy, it turns out, flew with Eddie Rickenbacker
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Speaker 1: and World War One.
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Speaker 3: Oh no, really, yes, And then he was a member
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Speaker 3: of Rickenbacker pit crew at Indianapolis five hundred races. I mean,
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Speaker 3: in this you just find one person in Cincinnati history
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Speaker 3: and I'm going, wow, that could almost be another.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then I find out not only that, but his father.
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Speaker 3: One day he dropped his father off at his office
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Speaker 3: where he had a law office, never saw him again.
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Speaker 3: He vanished from the streets of Cincinnati. This is a
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Speaker 3: highly respected, well known leader of the Republican Party in
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Speaker 3: Cincinnati who just kind of gone in an instant, and
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Speaker 3: for months they had people that thought they saw him
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Speaker 3: and so forth. It's just another mystery and that's packed
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Speaker 3: in there. But the main story there is, of course,
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Speaker 3: the serial killer.
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Speaker 1: And this is before the term serial killer existed, right, Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: it was never used in relation to her. She was
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Speaker 1: known as the black Widow.
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Speaker 3: I'm told that people who work in the Handling County
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Speaker 3: Prosecutor's office or the police department many are familiar with
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Speaker 3: this case because it's one that they point to as
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Speaker 3: one of the more sensational, interesting cases. And it was
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Speaker 3: really also one of the first cases in America that
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Speaker 3: was solved with the aid of medical forensics. Cincinnati was
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Speaker 3: at the forefront the cutting edge of pairing up with
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Speaker 3: the University of Cincinnati had a division there, a group
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Speaker 3: that was interested in medical forensics and trying to solve
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Speaker 3: cold cases and crimes using medicine, and they did in
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Speaker 3: this case.
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Speaker 2: It's really a fascinating story.
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Speaker 1: Now, did that develop into I know we have medical
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Speaker 1: forensic teams for the police now, but that was this
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Speaker 1: case instrumental in establishing that as a regular thing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it was. It was.
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Speaker 3: It was the first time that they really applied this
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Speaker 3: kind of science to a murder investigation, and it was
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Speaker 3: so successful that that continued. So Cincinnati was really paving
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Speaker 3: the way for what we know today as CSI.
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Speaker 1: Well, Harmonica Black would kind of suggest I am mad
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Speaker 1: and what her modus operandi was, but what she married
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Speaker 1: guys and then killed them, is that what this is?
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Speaker 3: Or she would flirt with them, and her victims were
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Speaker 3: almost always elderly German men, lonely widows, or men who
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Speaker 3: never married, who were lonesome, and they would tell their friends, Oh,
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Speaker 3: I've got this new girlfriend.
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Speaker 2: She's really something.
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Speaker 3: Before you know it, they've signed over their house, their
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Speaker 3: savings account, just so sad, and then she would go
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Speaker 3: cook for them.
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Speaker 2: Real is their big mistake.
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Speaker 1: Poison was big, killing people way in the back of
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Speaker 1: the day.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you can in her case, she used arsenic,
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Speaker 3: which is undetectable. You can't smell it, you can't taste
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Speaker 3: it in food, and so what would happen is these
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Speaker 3: guys would suddenly.
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Speaker 1: Get terribly terribly ill.
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Speaker 3: Oh, the worst way to die, just excruciating and horrible,
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Speaker 3: and then she'd move on to another victim.
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Speaker 2: She would have sometimes two victims go at once, no kidding.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know you say that, it's almost as
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Speaker 1: if I just, you know, I'm talking to Dave had
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Speaker 1: it with a modern scam, because that kind of stuff
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Speaker 1: goes on today. They just use artificial intelligence and computer
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Speaker 1: programs and you know, dating.
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Speaker 2: Apps to to do this type of thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And she would have been undetected had she not
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Speaker 3: poisoned a man who was a shoe repairman, a shoe
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Speaker 3: salesman downtown in Cincinnati. He owned his own business, another
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Speaker 3: elderly German man, and she got talked to him into
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Speaker 3: going to Denver, Colorado with her, and on the way
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Speaker 3: out on the train, she poisoned him as well. And
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Speaker 3: the people in Denver noticed when he got off the
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Speaker 3: train that she was taking care of him, and then
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Speaker 3: she later claims she never knew him, so they got interested. Well,
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to give away more, no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: it's really a fascinating story of the detective work and
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Speaker 3: the trial.
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Speaker 2: So it's a little bit of a courtroom procedural too.
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Speaker 1: All right, and that would be the fourth story in
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Speaker 1: the book, Big Tom and the Black Wooden. Big Tom
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Speaker 1: that the lawyer you're referring to.
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Speaker 3: No, Big Tom was the detective and he was one
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Speaker 3: of Cincinnati's most famous detectives. There's probably nobody can touch
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Speaker 3: him for the number of cases he handled and solved.
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Speaker 3: So Resurrection Man. One of the things that's fun about
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Speaker 3: different styles. So I have a courtroom procedural, I have
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Speaker 3: a murder mystery. I have an adventure in out west
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Speaker 3: on the Oregon Trail I have and then this one
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Speaker 3: would be described more like a horror story like Tales
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Speaker 3: from the Crypt. Literally Tales from the Crypt, no kidding,
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Speaker 3: because Back in the eighteen fifties and seventies, grave robbery
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Speaker 3: was a really big problem. People would plunder graves and
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Speaker 3: in this case, they robbed the grave of John Scott Harrison,
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Speaker 3: who was the son of William Henry Harrison, our ninth president.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a huha, This is someone of significance,
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Speaker 1: and they yes, they took was this for medical research?
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Speaker 2: I know, to do studies.
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Speaker 1: It was impossible to get caidavers, so they would rob
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Speaker 1: the graves and provide them to the medical students.
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Speaker 3: And usually they would rob the graves of the what
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Speaker 3: they called the colored cemetery, or they would go to
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Speaker 3: the poor people's cemetery and the Potter's Field and they
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Speaker 3: would take those because most people were too they didn't
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Speaker 3: have influence ors significance enough to complain and make it stick.
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Speaker 1: Or in the case of Potter's Field, no money, but
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Speaker 1: also maybe no living or available relatives to even make
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Speaker 1: a claim over the body, so no wrinkles that are
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Speaker 1: going to follow up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they would actually rob these bodies.
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Speaker 3: In this case, this was not only the son of
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Speaker 3: a president, but he was the father of another president,
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Speaker 3: Benjamin Harrison. So he is the son and the father
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Speaker 3: of US presidents, and they robbed his grave on the
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Speaker 3: very night he was buried.
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Speaker 1: Well, didn't you have to get him close time to death?
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Speaker 1: Otherwise you're just bringing in a rotting.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, if you're right, They tried to get him fresh,
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Speaker 3: as they would put it.
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Speaker 2: In this case.
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Speaker 3: You know, a little side note of this was it
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Speaker 3: answered a question I've often had when I went through
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Speaker 3: cemeteries or drove by them about those little mausoleums that
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Speaker 3: looked like little banks. Oh you had the bars on
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Speaker 3: the windows and everything. Well that was because of grave robbery.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 3: You know, so you would fortify when you put somebody
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Speaker 3: to rest, You would try as much as to your
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Speaker 3: ability to fortify that and make it impossible to steal
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Speaker 3: the corpse. In this case, they hired the Pinkerton Agency
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Speaker 3: out of Chicago to try and find out what happened
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Speaker 3: to John Scott Harrison, and they traced it to a
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Speaker 3: report that came in in the newspaper that that very night,
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Speaker 3: around three am, a wagon pulled up in front of
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Speaker 3: the Ohio Medical School and unloaded a long sheet wrapped object.
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Speaker 3: So the son of John Scott Harrison goes to the
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Speaker 3: Ohio Medical School.
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Speaker 2: They finally find his body and it's hanging in this
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Speaker 2: shaft with a winch where they would bring it up
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Speaker 2: from the ground floor seven stories up, and it's hanging
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Speaker 2: there on a rope hidden in the shaft.
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, he'll be out of this. They did that
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Speaker 1: and hung him in a shaft for the purpose of
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Speaker 1: hiding the presence of the body. Yes, there's no other
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Speaker 1: reason for the seven story Okay.
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Speaker 3: So when you go up these stories in the Ohio
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Speaker 3: Medical College, which is would have been right about next
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Speaker 3: to the Cincinnatian Hotel it is today and in fact,
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Speaker 3: well anyway, I don't want to get distracted here, but okay,
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Speaker 3: So there they find this body hanging in the shaft,
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Speaker 3: and his own son discovered it, and it was so grizzly.
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Speaker 3: He had been stripped of his clothes, he had been
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Speaker 3: bled out, so they had cut his neck and so forth,
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Speaker 3: and just hanging there. And when they get up to
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Speaker 3: the seventh floor, I mean, the scene was just appalling
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Speaker 3: because they would keep thats of these body parts around
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Speaker 3: and corpses much longer than really was hygienic or safe.
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Speaker 3: And the stench, oh my gosh, it would knock you
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Speaker 3: right over. And they described that when they got up
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Speaker 3: there to find the body, and.
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Speaker 2: Those are the conditions that the.
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Speaker 1: Decompositions and doctors would work in or surrounded by that stench.
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Speaker 1: Not horrible.
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Speaker 3: Oh, they had lost any kind of respect for the dead, right,
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Speaker 3: They just abused these corpses and just treated them horribly.
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Speaker 2: And that was exposed.
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Speaker 3: And you know, during these periods in the eighteen hundreds,
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Speaker 3: they were not unusual to see riots in big cities
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Speaker 3: when people would find out that their loved one was
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Speaker 3: in the medical college without permission. And it happened in
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Speaker 3: New York City where a man was walking down the
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Speaker 3: street and they actually doing a dissection in the window
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Speaker 3: of the medical college there, and it was his wife
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Speaker 3: who had just died. Oh, my lord, and he found
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Speaker 3: that and they had a riot and they burned that
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Speaker 3: medical college. So this was this was outrageous and it
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Speaker 3: was a huge scandal in Cincinnati. But it's also a
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Speaker 3: story of this vast network of grave robbery that was
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Speaker 3: going on in Cincinnati, and they were supplying bodies all
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Speaker 3: over Ohio, but also up in Michigan to ann Arbor.
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Speaker 3: The University of Michigan was getting its corpses for their
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Speaker 3: medical school from Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: So it was a regional organized crime unit designed to
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Speaker 1: get medical students dead bodies exactly.
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Speaker 3: And not only that, the grave robbers would also strip
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Speaker 3: the bodies, and this is really kind of icky. They
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Speaker 3: would sell the clothes, so if you went to go
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Speaker 3: buy bargain clothes, you might be walking around in something
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Speaker 3: that was only hours before worn by a corpse.
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas here with Peter Bronson. We're blessed to have
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Speaker 1: Peter Bronson here in the Greater Cincinnati Aeron Bluss for
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Speaker 1: his books. They are absolutely wonderful reads, every one of them.
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Speaker 1: I've read them all Magical history tours what we're talking
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Speaker 1: about this morning, Murder Mystery, Buried History, plus a little
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Speaker 1: like some well places where you can go that you
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Speaker 1: tail end of the book Ten Places to Discover Cincinnati History.
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Speaker 1: Get a glimpse at that toward the end of this discussion.
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Speaker 1: But let's talk about a snake in the garden.
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Speaker 2: Peter.
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Speaker 3: Oh, that was a lot of fun too. So a
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Speaker 3: long time ago I visited because I was working at
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Speaker 3: the Inquirer at the time, I think. And I visited
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Speaker 3: the Whitewater Shaker Village because they were just then beginning
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Speaker 3: the restoration of it, and it was fascinating to see
18:12
Speaker 3: how these people lived. For example, when you go to
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Speaker 3: their cemetery, which is right down the road from the
18:19
Speaker 3: village where they live. The Shakers, they had the cemetery
18:22
Speaker 3: and it's probably i don't know, three acres, two acres.
18:25
Speaker 2: It's pretty big cemetery.
18:27
Speaker 3: There's only a dozen graves there and You're like, what
18:30
Speaker 3: is going on here? Well, they believed in celibacy, and
18:34
Speaker 3: they really didn't think ahead that you don't populate a
18:38
Speaker 3: cemetery if you don't populate the children in the you know,
18:43
Speaker 3: in the village.
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Speaker 1: I was Communists believed in the celibacy.
18:47
Speaker 3: Okay, this is this is an amazing thing. Funny you
18:49
Speaker 3: should bring that up because in the middle of this
18:51
Speaker 3: cemetery it says the Whitewater Shaker Cemetery is dedicated to
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Speaker 3: a community of celibate Christian Communists.
18:59
Speaker 2: And yes, and this was.
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Speaker 1: Put up in nineteen I had the god, folks, I
19:03
Speaker 1: did not know that you really said that. Oh you
19:07
Speaker 1: nailed it back then. See what happens.
19:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, Communism kind of meant something else then, because Marx
19:13
Speaker 3: and Angles were just be kind of catching this contract.
19:17
Speaker 2: This was a communal living.
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Speaker 3: Like they thought that there would be utopias if everybody
19:21
Speaker 3: shared everything. So in the Shaker village they really practiced
19:24
Speaker 3: that along with celibacy. So here's a funny little thing.
19:29
Speaker 3: In their dormitory they had the women's sleeping arrangements at
19:34
Speaker 3: the west end or the east end, and the men
19:37
Speaker 3: at the west end, and just a hallway between them. Well,
19:41
Speaker 3: you know, you'd think for the trials of celibacy, you'd
19:44
Speaker 3: at least put them on separate floors.
19:46
Speaker 1: But no, it sounds like it invites a panty raid.
19:49
Speaker 2: You were gonna go raid the women's Storm tonight.
19:52
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting that one of the rooms in the
19:54
Speaker 3: Women's Storm had locks on both sides of the door.
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Speaker 1: Oh all right, yeah, they anticipated that might happen.
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Speaker 3: And there's also a story I found that they used
20:03
Speaker 3: to spread flower on the floor in the hallway, so
20:07
Speaker 3: if anybody walked from one dorm to the other, they
20:10
Speaker 3: would leave tracks and the next morning you'd see which
20:14
Speaker 3: which bet they went to.
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Speaker 1: Well, no wonder they aren't around anymore. Not only you
20:18
Speaker 1: had the whole celibacy. They're working against them. That's not
20:20
Speaker 1: exactly a marketing scheme that's going to, you know, bring
20:23
Speaker 1: in the fellow travelers, as it were.
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Speaker 3: But if you take a look at the Shakers, they
20:27
Speaker 3: were really in a lot of ways during that period,
20:29
Speaker 3: and especially around the Civil War, they were the only
20:33
Speaker 3: safety net or social safety net we had because there
20:35
Speaker 3: was no homes for widows and orphans, there were no
20:39
Speaker 3: places that no social security, but the Shakers for widows
20:43
Speaker 3: and orphans and women who had gotten in trouble or
20:47
Speaker 3: what what what we'd called today back then they would.
20:49
Speaker 1: Call violate, violated the celibacy rule.
20:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they would be taken in by the Shakers.
20:56
Speaker 3: So whole families were taken in. And there's another fascinating
21:01
Speaker 3: story about the Millerites, which is a diversion, but it's
21:05
Speaker 3: in the book. And this was a cult in the
21:08
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds that followed a man named Miller who believed
21:12
Speaker 3: that he knew the exact day and date of Christ's return.
21:16
Speaker 3: And they sold all of their property, gave away everything,
21:20
Speaker 3: their farms, their clothes, everything, and they all went out
21:23
Speaker 3: to a hill. And this happened in Cincinnati. They all
21:25
Speaker 3: went out to a hill and waited for the second coming,
21:28
Speaker 3: and waited and waited, and nothing happened. Really, And so
21:33
Speaker 3: I think I would have read about it if you had.
21:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:36
Speaker 3: So now they are destitute and homeless. So where did
21:39
Speaker 3: they go? They shaded the Shaker village, suckers. So what's
21:45
Speaker 3: the snake in the garden part? Well, I don't want
21:49
Speaker 3: you to be too revealing. No, obviously came up with
21:51
Speaker 3: this chapter title for a reason. Yes, there's a fascinating
21:55
Speaker 3: mystery about two women who were banished from the Shaker
21:59
Speaker 3: village because of failure to observe the celibacy rule, and
22:04
Speaker 3: they had two together. The two women, it was a
22:07
Speaker 3: mother and daughter both In all the news stories and
22:11
Speaker 3: so forth, the accounts at the time remarked that they
22:14
Speaker 3: were both strikingly beautiful and they had come to Cincinnati
22:19
Speaker 3: after they were banished from Whitewater Village and after about
22:23
Speaker 3: a week they were found dead in a hotel room
22:26
Speaker 3: in downtown Cincinnati. Uh huh, So the mystery around that is, okay,
22:31
Speaker 3: what happened? Wow, Well, there was a man who was
22:35
Speaker 3: taken in by the Shaker village who was a drunk,
22:39
Speaker 3: a total wasttroll, a scoundrel. But he came from a
22:42
Speaker 3: very wealthy Cincinnati family. And there's your snake in the garden.
22:47
Speaker 1: All about that, I was going to charge you try
22:49
Speaker 1: to draw a Bernie Sanders parallel, because apparently he lived
22:52
Speaker 1: in an ashram or a commune and he was the
22:54
Speaker 1: lazy guy that never did anything that they kicked him out.
22:57
Speaker 2: Well, that describes this guy too.
22:59
Speaker 1: He preaches the hospital of this communal lifestyle. But then
23:02
Speaker 1: like all communes, it all fails because no one wants
23:05
Speaker 1: to step up to the plate and pull their weight.
23:06
Speaker 2: And there's always communism.
23:08
Speaker 3: Yes, and there's always some leech that's just parasite, that's
23:11
Speaker 3: just riding along.
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Speaker 2: H Bernie Sanders. Yeah, well that describes this guy too.
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23:18
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Speaker 1: having a time talking with Peter Bronson about his new book,
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Speaker 1: a riot talking about the various stories, five different stories,
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Speaker 1: all based upon local folks or local connections, and then
25:26
Speaker 1: we find out that some of them extend out west.
25:29
Speaker 1: You mentioned that earlier when we were talking about that.
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Speaker 1: Which which chapter is that one?
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Speaker 2: Is that? That's the one.
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Speaker 1: It's called Rifles at forty Paces.
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Speaker 3: Rifles at forty Paces? Good, thank you. Yeah, that's the
25:41
Speaker 3: story of a man from Wilmington, Ohio who hopped on
25:45
Speaker 3: the Oregon Trail, which was an incredible life threatening adventure.
25:50
Speaker 3: Can imagine in itself period indians, disease, deserts parched, starving,
25:58
Speaker 3: everything you can think of.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure it was so comfortable ride in
26:03
Speaker 1: a Conestoga wagon.
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. And he led the
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Speaker 3: wagon train to northern California for the gold rush in
26:11
Speaker 3: eighteen fifty. So he went out for the gold rush.
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Speaker 3: He fought an amazing duel against a newspaper editor, which
26:18
Speaker 3: kind of I thought that was a special a former
26:22
Speaker 3: editor myself. And this editor just didn't know when to quit.
26:26
Speaker 3: He kept insulting this guy in his editorials, and he
26:28
Speaker 3: just kept doing.
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Speaker 2: It and doing it.
26:31
Speaker 3: It's a political thing, and so this guy becomes such
26:35
Speaker 3: a heroic figure that he actually the city of Denver, Colorado,
26:42
Speaker 3: is named after him, and he named the state of Montana.
26:48
Speaker 2: Really.
26:48
Speaker 3: Yes, he was governor of the Kansas Territory in the
26:51
Speaker 3: eighteen late eighteen fifties during the time they call Bleeding
26:55
Speaker 3: Kansas now as a run up to the Civil War.
26:58
Speaker 3: Bleeding Kansas was like a dress rehearsal. It was all
27:02
Speaker 3: about abolition.
27:03
Speaker 1: Oh I'm serious, old brother.
27:06
Speaker 2: I never heard that term.
27:07
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, terrible, terrible violence. Okay, here's the Outlaw Josie Wales
27:12
Speaker 3: the movie.
27:12
Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen that. That is about this period.
27:15
Speaker 3: And Josie Wales was in the Battle of Bleeding Kansas
27:18
Speaker 3: that went on for years. So if we look at
27:21
Speaker 3: Bleeding Kansas and we draw some parallels. I didn't necessarily
27:24
Speaker 3: do this in the story, but if you wanted to,
27:26
Speaker 3: you can draw parallels to see what's going on in
27:29
Speaker 3: our country today. You might say, well, Portland, Oregon kind
27:33
Speaker 3: of looks like what bleeding Kansas looked like. People were
27:36
Speaker 3: burning each other's farms, they were raiding, they were killing
27:39
Speaker 3: each other. They were just completely out of control all
27:43
Speaker 3: over the issue of slavery. Because Kansas was going to
27:46
Speaker 3: be a new state, and the abolitionists wanted it to
27:49
Speaker 3: be a free state, of course, and the people from
27:52
Speaker 3: Missouri who had already gotten statehood and wanted it to
27:55
Speaker 3: be a slave state like them. So the Missourians came
27:59
Speaker 3: up and they fought the abolitionists, and most of the
28:01
Speaker 3: abolitionists were from northeastern states. And one of those abolitionists
28:06
Speaker 3: was a man everybody knows about, John Brown, oh sure.
28:10
Speaker 3: And he was a cold blooded psychopath. He was unbelievable.
28:16
Speaker 3: He committed massacres and murders like you wouldn't believe, and
28:20
Speaker 3: people glorified and made him a hero.
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Speaker 2: Not unlike what we've done in our own.
28:25
Speaker 3: Culture today, with people who are really in many ways despicable,
28:30
Speaker 3: live a horrible life, and yet because the way they
28:33
Speaker 3: die in the politics around it, we lift them up
28:35
Speaker 3: as some kind of mythical hero.
28:37
Speaker 2: And that's what happened with John Brown. No kidding, Yeah.
28:42
Speaker 4: You know that.
28:44
Speaker 1: I guess on some level I can understand. But you know,
28:46
Speaker 1: the idea of murdering your neighbors over it is a
28:50
Speaker 1: human rights, of course issue, a profound one, and you know,
28:54
Speaker 1: understanding and embracing humanity, But that you would go out
28:57
Speaker 1: and murder someone over this set farms on fire, it's just.
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Speaker 3: Well, and you know, we kind of tend to look
29:04
Speaker 3: back and people like this version of history that's popular
29:07
Speaker 3: and in schools and colleges now, which is that you know,
29:11
Speaker 3: abolitions are good guys, Confederates bad guys, and this and that,
29:15
Speaker 3: you know, it's all very black and white.
29:18
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't.
29:19
Speaker 3: Some of the abolitionists were the scariest, most brutal people, terrorists,
29:25
Speaker 3: they were psychopaths.
29:27
Speaker 1: Well, okay, let me pose this to you. Fine, they
29:30
Speaker 1: believe in abolishing slavery. There's a multitude of reasons why
29:33
Speaker 1: someone might embrace that. Would someone, let's say, John Brown,
29:37
Speaker 1: embrace that as a philosophy and as a primary motivating
29:44
Speaker 1: force and factor in their life for the purpose of
29:46
Speaker 1: an excuse to commit violence. That he's a psychopath.
29:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was.
29:52
Speaker 1: Like I believe out there in the world, somebody decided
29:54
Speaker 1: to go through maybe being becoming a priest because they
29:58
Speaker 1: could be around little children. If somebody wants to be
30:00
Speaker 1: a teacher because they can be around little children, it
30:02
Speaker 1: isn't because they're really truly motivated by the you know,
30:05
Speaker 1: the Christian doctrine, or because they're motivated to be educators.
30:10
Speaker 1: They want access to kids. Absolutely, So if they want
30:13
Speaker 1: to kill, if this guy wants to has passion for
30:15
Speaker 1: killing people, I'm an anti slavery guy. I'm an abolitionists. Okay,
30:18
Speaker 1: go ahead and do it well. In this story, the
30:20
Speaker 1: hero of the story is James W. Denver from Wilmington, Ohio.
30:24
Speaker 1: City of Denver's named after him.
30:26
Speaker 3: His arch rival enemy is a guy who was exactly
30:29
Speaker 3: what you described he became. He kind of played both sides,
30:33
Speaker 3: but mainly he was just a bloodthirsty raider. He would
30:36
Speaker 3: raid and burn farms so that he could take him
30:38
Speaker 3: for his own property and add him to his political power. Oh,
30:41
Speaker 3: like the Crusaders, Yes, and so, But there were other people.
30:44
Speaker 3: I think John Brown was just nuts. I think he
30:48
Speaker 3: was crazy. He went around killing people in the name
30:50
Speaker 3: of God. That is just where they struggle with.
30:54
Speaker 2: That is nuts.
30:55
Speaker 3: And they thought that God was on their side so
30:58
Speaker 3: they could do anything they please. And both sides were
31:01
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31:03
Speaker 2: So it was kind of like the Crusades.
31:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bleeding Kansas was an unbelievable chapter in our history.
31:08
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31:13
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Speaker 1: before rather than maybe go back into one more of
34:27
Speaker 1: the snippets about these various stories in here, just elaborating
34:31
Speaker 1: on it. You and I were talking off the break
34:32
Speaker 1: because you lose sight when you're talking about the wild West,
34:35
Speaker 1: and you mentioned that, you know, the duels.
34:37
Speaker 2: That was all Mike's mic on. Is this Mike on?
34:43
Speaker 2: It is? Okay?
34:44
Speaker 1: There you go, all right. I didn't hear it just
34:46
Speaker 1: the second ago. Yeah, so it was very common. But
34:48
Speaker 1: the background on that is there wasn't law enforcement. You know,
34:51
Speaker 1: they weren't sheriffs necessarily around, and if they were, they
34:54
Speaker 1: weren't going to stop a duel from happening.
34:56
Speaker 3: And this actually came from Europe. There was something called
34:59
Speaker 3: the Irish Duello and that was a lengthy thing. It's
35:03
Speaker 3: like thirty different rules and regulations to set up a duel,
35:07
Speaker 3: all about the courtesy and manners that surround how you
35:11
Speaker 3: established it.
35:12
Speaker 1: Do you murder someone again, you'd properly do it like
35:14
Speaker 1: the Marcus of Queensbury rules.
35:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, well, you know that's funny, you'd bring
35:17
Speaker 3: that up once again. You nailed it, the Marcus at
35:20
Speaker 3: Queensbury rules. And boxing was actually introduced in Europe as
35:24
Speaker 3: a way to settle these disputes without firearms.
35:27
Speaker 2: Ah.
35:28
Speaker 3: So there was so much dueling going on and so
35:30
Speaker 3: many young men being killed that they finally got this idea, well,
35:34
Speaker 3: let's just resort to fisticuffs and settle it that way.
35:36
Speaker 1: Apparently a duel could be justified and you just called
35:40
Speaker 1: somebody a name, oh.
35:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you said something that shed poor light
35:46
Speaker 3: on his girlfriend, or his mother or his sister. Women
35:49
Speaker 3: were especially held sacrisank. Now think about this in compare
35:53
Speaker 3: it to today's society. First of all, they had honor.
35:57
Speaker 3: People were polite, because if you shot off your mouth
35:59
Speaker 3: about somebody, you could be challenged and dragged into the
36:03
Speaker 3: street into a duel. And if you if you were
36:08
Speaker 3: you know, the kind of person who says, nah, I
36:10
Speaker 3: don't want to do that. I'm sorry. If you back
36:13
Speaker 3: down after somebody had challenged you, then you were disgraced.
36:18
Speaker 3: You were just kind of an outcast from society. So
36:23
Speaker 3: the the amount of honor that people held it in
36:27
Speaker 3: high regard at that time, it is just something that
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Speaker 3: probably most of us really can't relate to anymore because
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Speaker 3: we see what happens in our society today. People do
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Speaker 3: the most incredibly dishonorable things and then they just say
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Speaker 3: let's move on, and nobody challenges them.
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Speaker 2: They are not held accountable. I mean, I don't want
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Speaker 2: to go back to.
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Speaker 1: Dulo, He's going to say, veiled suggestion from Peter Brownson,
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Speaker 1: we bring back dueling.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Irish code Duello is still there. I cite
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Speaker 3: most of the some of the rules of dueling in
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Speaker 3: my book.
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Speaker 1: Learn all about it. Get a copy of Magical History
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Speaker 1: to a Murder Mystery and Buried History, and let us
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Speaker 1: talk very briefly here Peter Browns. And you got a
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Speaker 1: little extra fun and games going on at the tail
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Speaker 1: end of the book with ten places to discover in
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati history. I suppose these relate to the individuals and
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Speaker 1: points you made factually in the five stories you provide.
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Speaker 3: Also in my other books, so things like the Man
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Speaker 3: who Saved Cincinnati. The Low Wallace Study and Museum is
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Speaker 3: one of those spots. The Pioneer Cemetery is one of
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Speaker 3: those spots. I didn't even know about that until I
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Speaker 3: found it down by Lunkin Airport. It's a fascinating little
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Speaker 3: cemetery where you can find the grave of Major Benjamin Stites,
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Speaker 3: who was one of the first settlers of Cincinnati in
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Speaker 3: the seventeen eighties and nineties. And then there's another one
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Speaker 3: called Congress Green Cemetery, and that's the one where Benjamin Scott,
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Speaker 3: John Scott Harrison's body was robbed from the grave, and
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Speaker 3: also the burial place of John Cleeves Simms, who is
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Speaker 3: sims purchase was all of the land that we stand
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Speaker 3: on today in Cincinnati.
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Speaker 2: How about that?
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Speaker 3: And these are not of course, the museum center is fantastic,
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Speaker 3: The Art Museum is fantastic, all of these things. I
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Speaker 3: just wanted to find the little places that are kind
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Speaker 3: of out of the way. Who knew that these were there?
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Speaker 3: And that you can find out so much about our
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Speaker 3: history from this book? Man who knew?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Bronson's the man we can thank for now knowing.
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Speaker 1: If you get a copy of the book, can find
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Speaker 1: out for yourself. It's available at fifty five care sea
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Speaker 1: dot com, a podcast page, or you can just go
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Speaker 1: right now at chilidogpress dot com and Peter will be
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Speaker 1: happy to ship one out with free shipping. Peter can't
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Speaker 1: thank you enough for the Iron Studio. I love our
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Speaker 1: conversations man, me too.
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Speaker 2: Wish we could done all the time. Great interview. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much. This will be done.
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Speaker 1: I swear I'll have this book done in probably twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours or forty hours, because I got a four
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Speaker 1: day week and I'm going to start with this when
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Speaker 1: I get home. Fantastic folks, stick around after Is there
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Speaker 1: an afterlife? Sebastian Junger reflection on death and what might follow?
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Speaker 1: He is the keynote speaker Empower you see, are coming
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Speaker 1: up on the ninth in my time of dying, so
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Speaker 1: this should be a rather interesting conversation after the top
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Speaker 1: of the air news. I hope you can stick around me.
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