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Why Did Adam's Card Sell For 13K? Turn Back The Clock With DoubleD Vintage Baseball Cards & Splendid Sports · Sports Card Clubhouse

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  Hey there guys. We are back.
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  Dylan and I are here for another episode of Turn Back the Clock.
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  Dylan, how's it going out there in Hawaii?
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  It's early 7:30 in the morning, right around.
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  Here, dude, I got my Disney cup right here.
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  I got my, I did some iced coffee this morning.
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  I'm really excited to talk to you about cards and just talk to
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  you in general, Adam. It's been so long.
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  We we both are on completely different planets basically.
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  So it's very tough to make the timing work every time, but it
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  doesn't matter. Who cares if we go months and
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  months without doing one or we do one every other week?
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  I enjoy talking with you regardless.
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  It's like it's like seeing a friend you haven't seen in ages.
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  There's no weirdness, it's all natural.
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  So ah, freaking punk dude. Let's talk about cards.
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  Love it, man. Yeah, I'm over here.
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  We're five hours difference. I'm over here in what I'm now
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  calling Siberia, formerly Massachusetts, and it's been a
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  heck of a winter here. The the snow is starting to
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  melt, so things are looking up here over over in Siberia, so.
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  I'm over here in literally surfing in my trunks.
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  I didn't even wear a top the other day.
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  It's like just gorgeous out. So perfect every day paradise
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  not too hot. By the way, great show on Hulu
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  Paradise too. It's where you live and it's
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  also a cool show to check out. Anyone out there?
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  We're watching it last night, my wife and I.
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  It's a really cool show. Is it a?
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  Is it a series? Yes, Yeah.
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  OK, good. Because.
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  We're looking for one, me and my wife.
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  It's always like when you get down with one, you're like, oh,
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  and then you're scrolling, try a couple and you're like, do you
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  like? Do you like?
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  Like it's not unrealistic so much, but like, do you like end
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  of the world like catastrophe type movies?
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  See, those are my favorite movies of all time.
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  You. Got market that watch this show
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  is is already season 1's already was last couple years ago or a
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  year ago and they just started season 2.
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  So you guys could binge through a whole season right now, Hulu?
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  Oh, sick dude, that my wife like she I love end of the world
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  stuff because I feel like like it's like if it's end of the
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  world, it doesn't. It's not depressing because
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  everybody's involved, right? It's like everyone in the world.
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  It is what it is. It's a really cool show, well,
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  well acted. And you'll notice a lot of
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  people in it that you probably know, but it's yeah, it's a good
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  one. So if my wife is sponsored by
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  Hulu. My wife won't watch shows if
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  there's not famous people, so that's a good plus.
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  Yep, there's some famous in there.
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  So all right, Dylan, here's what I wanted to start out with.
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  Our last episode, which was, I think it was about a month ago,
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  part of the episode was towards the end where I showed a few
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  different Tom Brady rookie cards that I had in Beckett slabs and
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  I crossed them over to PSA. And you know, anyone who checked
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  that out, there was a pretty sizable grade drop in a few of
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  them. You know, 1 was like a 8.5 down
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  to A5, an 8 to a six, and another one was in I think an
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  8.5 down to an, you know, down to AA52.
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  So we're talking like three grade drops.
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  But if you watch the episode, what I explained in that is the
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  reason I did that wasn't for any type of like value thing, money,
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  money thing. It was AI was doing the full
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  collection of the 44 Brady rookies and I wanted them all in
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  PSA holders 'cause I had like 40 or 38 of them in PSA.
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  So the last five or 6 I had in Beckett, I figured I'll just
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  cross them over and I don't really care about the grade with
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  this collection that I'm building inside my collection.
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  So, you know, and then I got a comment which I want to respond
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  to from Mozzie 22. I like, I like his, I like his
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  fire in this comedy. He goes, why in God's name would
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  you cross those over? Hate to think how much money you
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  just lost. PSA sucks, always have.
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  If you think APSA 5 is going to sell down the road for what a
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  Beckett 8.5 does, then you're smoking the good stuff.
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  Good. Hey, I'm fine with those
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  comments, you know, keep them, keep them coming.
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  Totally. It wasn't like me or anything.
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  Yeah. So, no, it's it's funny.
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  So, but the point the reason he said that is because also in
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  that video, I I did say I think down the road, you know, the
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  three grade difference between a Beckett this type of car.
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  I'm not saying all cards, but in these particular type of card
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  Brady rookies from 2000, I don't think they'll be a really a big
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  gap because a lot of the people that collect these cards don't
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  care really about the number as much, you know, as some other
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  types of cards in the hobby or types of collections.
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  But and a lot of them are are lower numbered anyway, like this
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  one's leaf limited numbered to 350.
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  This was one that dropped from an 8.5 and a Beckett to A5 with
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  PSA. And I, I did a little research
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  and not only in the future, but even right now, PSA 5 is like
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  not equal with a Beckett 8.5 in this card.
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  But we're talking like, I think a Beckett was like 8.5 was
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  around. This is one of his bigger ones,
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  maybe 4 grand and APSA 5 was still like, I think close to
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  25103 grand. So, you know, there's there's
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  not a really a huge, I mean that's a decent amount of money,
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  but when you're looking at percentages, it's not they're
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  not that far off. Even this tech card like this,
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  the EX in a 5 is like $1000 and in a Beckett 8.5, it was like
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  1800, you know what I mean? So yeah, they're not equal, but
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  they're real. There's not not a huge gap there
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  that you would see with like other cards in the hobby based
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  on grades. And so if you even if you did
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  care about money, there's, it's really not of as a big of a gap
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  as you would think. And I think a lot of that has to
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  do with it being PSA versus Beckett.
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  But again, that was not even factored in for me.
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  It was just more of like, hey, getting the uniformity.
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  I don't collect all my cards in this manner, but I did want to
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  touch on that because Mozzie, feel free to leave another
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  comment, let me know what you find.
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  But at least in the research I did, there's not a huge gap in
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  three great differences between Beckett and PSA in these type of
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  cards. So anyway, say another.
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  One let me, let me, let me, let me say something real fast about
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  it. No, go for it.
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  You know, what if you just cracked them out and sold them
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  raw? I'm curious if the grade if what
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  the price is on that level because that's a whole thing
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  too, right? Like you have these lower graded
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  PSA cards, you're literally better off snapping them out and
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  selling them raw when they're the low numbered stuff.
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  And I think I just think the hobbies just getting a lot quote
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  UN quote smarter, you know, when you're getting to these rare
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  cards, these numbered cards, let's we're really starting,
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  especially with that teapot video, we're really starting to
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  see that the value should be in the card.
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  It shouldn't be in anything else.
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  It really shouldn't be in the number on the slab.
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  And when you're talking about an 8, what is the value versus A5?
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  The card is the same card. It looks the same.
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  And PSA to me. All this does is prove to me
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  that what I've been saying that to toot my own horn this whole
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  time is PSA's cards are worth more because they grade tougher
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  and they always have. And I get so much blowback for
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  that. Like I back 25 years ago buying
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  SGC cards, trying to transfer those to PSA was nearly
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  impossible. People tried because you just
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  PSA has always been stricter and they haven't got less strict,
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  they've just gotten more strict. So to me a superior card is
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  always, not always, but 85% of time going to be in a PSA slab.
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  Not because they suck at grading, not because PSA sucks,
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  not because of anything other than the fact that their
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  criteria, However, their grading is stricter.
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  So when you see APSA 8, that probably equates to an an SGC 9
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  or a BVAB GS9 and so forth. Especially on the modern stuff
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  and vintage, there's always been a gap.
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  For 30 years there's been a one point gap across the board 99%
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  of the time. So you know.
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  And to your point, you know, if I was primarily doing this to
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  like maximize money and a card like this, which looks really
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  great, but is APSA 5, you could crack this out and try to sell
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  it raw at a show because it looks really good.
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  The the characteristics which led it to be APSA five are
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  mostly in like magnification, right?
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  Like you have to really get on the microscope.
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  Oh, there's a little a little crease here, whatever that you
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  can't really see. So it has the eye appeal, which
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  is what I was going after. And you know, an 8.5 and a
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  Becket for this, the smarter collectors that are going to buy
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  these cards, they know that that the Beckett 8.5 is pretty much
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  in this specific type of card, 90s, early 2000s, they just tend
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  to be PSA fives. You know that the PSA will find
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  whatever they need to find to make.
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  So I think that's just going to be factored in the future.
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  Like, you know, if you're going to try to sell a Beckett 8.5,
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  the person who's going to try to buy that, if they're going to
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  try to flip it or anything like that, they're going to look at
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  that as all right, what is APSA 5 going to do?
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  What is APSA 6 going to do? Because if they did cross it
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  over, that's what they're going to be now holding.
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  So that's why I think in the future of Beckett graded card
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  like that is going to be pretty close to what the equivalent in
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  PSA would would sell for. Because you know, at the end of
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  the day, if if you're just collecting it, you're collecting
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  it. But if you're trying to make
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  money, then you're always going to kind of approach it and say
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  like, I don't care what if not PSA, but what would it be in
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  APSA? Probably.
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  And then they're going to price it at that.
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  That's I think that's where things are going to head,
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  whether you like that or not. I don't you know, it doesn't
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  really affect me too much these days.
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  But when I did this project, what I did what I was just kind
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  of getting impatient. I was like, I got them all.
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  But like I I could sell these Beckett last five or six Beckett
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  ones and yeah, I get a little more money, but I'm not the most
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  patient guy. So I was like, you know what,
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  I'm not doing this till I'm not a dealer.
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  So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to shoot all these
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  beckets into PSAI. Know I'll lose grade numbers as
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  far as on the grade, but I don't care.
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  I want to get this thing finished.
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  So that was my motivation. It wasn't like I'm a dealer.
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  I'm trying to maximize every dollar.
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  Just to clarify to Mozzie and anyone else who watched that,
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  that yeah, I'm not the smartest guy, but I'm also not a complete
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  idiot. Like if I was trying to make
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  money, I would not have done that, OK.
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  No, let me, let me clarify something.
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  If there's there's two guys in this hobby that I've watched,
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  you know, religiously for the last four years and Adam is a
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  guy who I could hand him $20,000 and say, hey, pick me out some
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  cards that fit my collection to AT and also have the most
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  potential in the future. Your brain works in mysterious
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  ways. You hit the nail on the head 90%
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  of the time. Like you are every card you end
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  up buying, no matter what these moves you make, they just, they
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  blow my mind. Here I am.
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  I just accumulate making my collections, you know, not
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  trying to sell for profit or anything, and you're over here
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  like making these magical moves without even the intention of
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  like trying to profit from them. But it just happens.
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  And I think your brain, you're selling yourself short.
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  I think you're totally accurate on those statements.
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  I know there's going to be guys, Beckett, guys that are like, you
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  know, hounding you for it. You know what?
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  I also wanted to, you know, touch and base on this whole,
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  like I find it really funny that when you have a card in a slab,
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  especially the Becketts, but you're looking through all this
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  plastic, right? We're so worried about this
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  little nick on, on the corner, like a little white showing or a
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  little scratch on the card. And then you look at the, the
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  plastic itself and there's scratches on the plastic and
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  there's some and in the Becketts, they're inside 2
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  pieces of plastic and they're all cloudy.
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  And it blows my mind that that doesn't bother us.
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  But you still see the scratches on the plastic when you're
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  looking at the card. So it's basically on the card
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  you're looking at. I, I, our collectors brains are
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  all messed up because it's honestly it's, it's hilarious.
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  We look at these cards and not only do we put them in these
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  slabs that have scratches, then we put a sleeve over top of
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  those and those get like scratched up.
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  But then we look at the card and we see this little tiny little
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  thing and we're like, oh, oh man.
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  But then you just disregard the whole scratch on the case.
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  You know, it's really weird to me.
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  I, I mean, I'm in that camp. It's it's just a strange concept
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  to me. It is strange and that's I've
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  never actually heard it put that way.
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  That is, that is so funny when now that you think about it that
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  way. Yep.
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  And by the way, I don't want to offend any I I collect plenty of
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  Beckett graded cards here, but I did want to bring another thing
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  up regarding Beckett. This is an awesome card I got in
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  the last year or so. It's a Larry Bird 2009 Dream
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  Team game threads. The cool thing about this card
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  is that is game used 1992 Dream Team game used material from
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  Larry Bird. So such an awesome card.
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  Again, not a really expensive card either.
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  Just one of those cool cards that kind of fell through the
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  cracks of time in the hobby and I had to get this one.
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  But yeah, it's in Beckett. But here's what I wanted to say.
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  I heard an interview, as you know I've mentioned many times
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  one of the things I I cannot stand over and over is the and
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  you just reference it the inner sleeve in these Beckett Beckett
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  slab, right? Totally unnecessary if the cards
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  already protected it's just and it takes away from the look of
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  the card. You said a cloudy like this card
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  right here love it. It's got a cloudy sleeve over
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  it. It's hard to tell here, but in
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  person it just takes away from the card looking at it and I
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  heard I'm trying to remember who it was.
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  Oh OK, Neo it was Neo cards and comics.
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  He had the new, I'm going to call him leader.
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  I don't know what his title is, but the leader of Beckett.
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  He used to work at collectors or still does because they bought
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  Beckett. But anyway, they put him in
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  charge. And I really enjoyed the
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  interview. I, I thought the, I forget his
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  name, but whoever's running Beckett now seemed like a really
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  nice and sharp guy and I loved a lot what he had to say.
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  But one thing drove me nuts. He goes Neo asked him about the
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  inner sleeve, right? And he and he, I forget how he
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  said it, but basically getting getting his opinion on it.
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  Like are you going to make any changes like the inner sleeve or
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  anything? A lot of collectors don't like
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  that. And the guy said I don't like it
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  either. I hate the I don't like the
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  inner sleeve. He goes, but I'm not going to
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  change it. I was just like.
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  Why? Why?
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  That's what drives me nuts about these companies in the hobby is
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  again, he's admitting it's he doesn't like it, he's running
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  the company. Why aren't you going to change
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  it? That?
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  And that's the problem with Beckett is they never change
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  anything. And they wonder why PSA has 90
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  plus percent of the market. It's because Beckett is stuck in
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  their ways for whatever reason, no matter who's running it.
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  They say they're going to make changes or whatever, but like
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  something as easy as getting rid of this inner inner sleeve or
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  how about this, this is crazy, right?
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  Put a check box on the submission form.
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  Do you want the inner sleeve? Yes or no, and if you don't want
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  it, you don't have to have it. I mean, I don't know, does that
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  seem crazy? I think something as as little
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  as that could make a big difference in at least I would.
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  I would like that if I would be more likely to buy a Beckett
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  graded card without an inner sleeve.
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  I know that dude. You try scanning those things or
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  taking photos of those stupid slabs and there's all kinds of
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  weird stuff going on cuz that inner sleeve.
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  I've heard people say that they like the inner sleeve and I just
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  I want to throw my phone across the room and and just start
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  snapping all my cards. I get it makes me so mad.
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  How could you like the inner sleeve?
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  It protects it. We're already in plastic.
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  These cards are protected. This thing is.
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  Solid man. The card's fine without the
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  sleeve. This is this is a well made
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  slab. Dude it makes me so freaking
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  mad. That inner sleeve is the dumbest
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  thing that ever happened to this hobby.
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  I don't under and they used like back in the day.
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  They used like cloudy ones too, like worst, just insanity.
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  Absolutely. I have like I have a little
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  stack of Beckett slabs that I'm literally I'm just I'm going to
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  crack them all at one's a pop one.
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  I'm still cracking the thing out because the card is looks
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  absolutely stupid inside that thing.
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  It looks like it's WAVY because that dumb thing, yeah.
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  And you know, if you're, if you're a dealer or you're
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  someone who's not really building a collection, you don't
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  care about the inner sleeve, right, 'cause you're not keeping
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  the card, you're just, you're buying and selling.
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  And, but if, if you're an actual collector who wants to be able
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  to look at your cards and like the way they look, these are the
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  things that we care about as collectors.
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  And the fact that you hear the, a guy who's running the company
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  who you would think, well has the ability to make changes, but
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  he does not like it, but he's not going to change it.
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  And he did. I was just like, what's the
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  point of having the job then I would just quit.
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  If I literally wanted to make a change and I was running the
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  company, I couldn't do it. I'm just finding another job at
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  some point cuz it's like, what's the point, you know?
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  Blows my mind. Let me let me talk a little more
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  crap on Beckett holders. Everyone's like they're like
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  bulletproof. They're wrong.
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  Have you ever dropped one of those?
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  Although I have had more Beckett slabs chip off the corners in my
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  lifetime, in any other companies on earth come in the mail, Some
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  of them are chipped off. They they may be thick, they may
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  be, you know, feel big. But those things shatter like
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  glass. This one's got a chip right on
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  the bottom. There we go.
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  I mean, everyone's always. I'm like, no, they're the worst
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  slabs ever made. I hate them.
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  I mean God don't get me started. This is like getting into a rant
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  video already. That's all right hey, you know
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  what one thing we've always done Dylan on these over the years we
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  share our opinions you know and some sometimes they're people
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  don't like that's OK it's all in good fun though it's we're just
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  on here sharing our honest opinions but.
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  There I got one right here. I just I have because this is in
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  my to be cracked out pile and not to be cracked out to be
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  resenting, but I'll put it on my slabs.
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  Look at this thing's all shattered on the side.
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  It came this way years ago and I'm just like, you know, this is
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  a joke and everyone's like they're bulletproof.
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  These things, you barely drop them.
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  Boom. That's that's why I actually
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  love. I don't know if you felt the new
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  PSA slabs, the plastic they're using.
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  People are whining about them. Man, those things are like
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  rubber. You could drop them from space
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  and they'll just bounce. I know people are like, oh, you
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  can crack them out. You can crack any of these out
• 18:47
  with your hands if you really want to get into it.
• 18:50
  If you're doing that, then you got other issues.
• 18:53
  I'm not trying to crack my cards out with my hands.
• 18:55
  I don't care if they pop out if you're going like this.
• 18:59
  And but those new slabs, the rubbery gel they're using, they
• 19:03
  feel good and they're like, you can crack them on the ground.
• 19:07
  They're not going to shatter. So all you PSA haters, I'm not a
• 19:11
  huge PSA fan. I don't care.
• 19:13
  I just I, I just think they look really good and they and they
• 19:17
  the plastic to me is like that's bulletproof compared to these
• 19:21
  freaking tanks that shatter like glass.
• 19:23
  There's my I'm done ranting for the day.
• 19:25
  Well, no. We're probably not, but that's
• 19:27
  all right. You know, at least on on that
• 19:28
  subject. Do you want to?
• 19:31
  I have a couple more things I want to get your opinions out
• 19:33
  and touch on, but I figured do you have anything you want to?
• 19:36
  Yeah, yeah, to talk about first. Yeah, let me ask you a a quick
• 19:40
  question, give you a little jab. Why have you betrayed YouTube
• 19:45
  for Instagram? OK, well, it's not like I do
• 19:49
  that much on Instagram anymore either.
• 19:51
  I kind of just re share a story here and there.
• 19:53
  But yeah, it's it's a good question.
• 19:56
  You know, I haven't and I wish I had a better answer.
• 20:00
  I really don't though, you know, it's.
• 20:03
  And I made the joke on my last video when I voted for the
• 20:06
  YouTube Hall of Fame that once you get in the Hall of Fame, you
• 20:08
  stop making videos. And again, I that had nothing to
• 20:10
  do with it at all because that would be crazy to be like, I'm
• 20:14
  going to make three years of video.
• 20:15
  So I get in the YouTube Hall of Fame and then I can stop like,
• 20:18
  you know, but it's more of just, you know, as you know, I, my
• 20:24
  life changed a lot in the last year, you know, I moved cross
• 20:28
  country and just all my routines changed all that stuff.
• 20:34
  And with that, it's just I've had, I don't know, it's just
• 20:36
  been like a mental block or whatever where I still watch all
• 20:38
  your videos and all my friends videos.
• 20:41
  Like I still watch YouTube. I'm like a lurker now in many
• 20:44
  cases, but I, I don't know, I just have had this block where
• 20:47
  it's like I think about I can make a video about that or I
• 20:50
  would love to talk to this person, but I guess I'm a little
• 20:54
  busier. But you can't really use that as
• 20:55
  a full excuse because it's not, you know, you can always squeeze
• 20:57
  in a video here and there. I don't really have a good
• 21:00
  answer other than the fact that like I just, I don't know, I
• 21:04
  just have not been able to pull the trigger on some of these
• 21:06
  videos. And, and I think it will go in
• 21:09
  waves. Like, you know, there'll be a
• 21:11
  time where I start doing it again.
• 21:12
  I know more than just once every like once a month with you.
• 21:16
  And then I don't know how often I'll do the solo videos, but I
• 21:20
  definitely think I'll go in more in waves with with with this
• 21:23
  thing. But just over the last 5-6
• 21:25
  months I have, I just had to get a lot going on, but so does
• 21:29
  everyone else. So that's not really a good
• 21:31
  excuse. I don't know.
• 21:32
  I don't really have a good reason to be honest with you.
• 21:35
  Fair enough. Fair.
• 21:36
  Enough. It's not that I don't want to,
• 21:37
  it's just that I just, I don't know, I get this like weird
• 21:41
  block or something. Maybe I've been a little
• 21:42
  depressed. I don't know.
• 21:43
  Maybe, you know, I've been fighting some, you know,
• 21:46
  fighting some seasonal depression back here in
• 21:49
  Massachusetts, trying to fight that off.
• 21:51
  And yeah, I wish I had a better answer for you, but I don't
• 21:55
  know. I really don't.
• 21:56
  The Dracula syndrome is taking over your body.
• 22:00
  No sunlight, all darkness. Yeah, OK.
• 22:04
  That might because, OK, I used to make a lot of my videos when
• 22:08
  I was in Arizona, I would make him after my kids went to bed,
• 22:11
  you know, and that would be sometimes, you know, seven, 8:00
• 22:14
  at night. And a lot of times, I don't know
• 22:16
  if it was because it's warmer or there's maybe it's light out
• 22:21
  longer out there where I have more motivation.
• 22:24
  But like now back here, it gets dark at 5:00 and my kids go to
• 22:28
  bed and it's like my wife and I are just exhausted.
• 22:31
  And I would like to make a video, but I'm like, man, I
• 22:33
  don't feel like going down the basement and setting it up.
• 22:35
  And so it, a lot of it is just like, it just doesn't feel as
• 22:39
  easy as it used to feel. And that's sometimes that's all
• 22:43
  it takes for something like this is like just a little, it's a
• 22:46
  little less easy to do. So you just don't do it, you
• 22:49
  know. So I'm like, I'll just, I'll
• 22:50
  just watch other people's videos because there's so many that
• 22:53
  I've, I've like had to say, I'll maybe make a video on this.
• 22:55
  And then I watch a video and then like the person will say
• 22:58
  what I was gonna say. I'm like, alright, then I'm
• 23:00
  good. I don't need to make a video on
• 23:01
  that. So there's just so much content
• 23:03
  to watch now that part of me is like, maybe I don't even need to
• 23:07
  make a video on these things, you know?
• 23:09
  Oh, don't get me started with like, oh man, quick, quick rant.
• 23:14
  Good, good answers, Adam And and I wasn't trying to like poke you
• 23:17
  or make fun of you. I just throwing, you know,
• 23:20
  there's like a divide between, I don't know if it's a divide, but
• 23:23
  there's Instagram guys and there's YouTube guys.
• 23:25
  I'm not a I'm not a Instagram guy.
• 23:27
  I have an Instagram account that I did for my yard projects and
• 23:32
  stuff over the years, but I just don't have.
• 23:35
  I'm not never, I'm not going to say never, but I'll probably
• 23:38
  never be a car guy on there. I probably, if you looked at my
• 23:42
  weekly history, I'm like probably 30 minutes on Instagram
• 23:45
  a week and I don't even like to like anybody's stuff.
• 23:49
  I will once in a while and once in a while I'll leave a comment,
• 23:53
  but I really don't. I don't want to start that train
• 23:56
  and then have two balls on the court that I have to control.
• 24:00
  So for me it's like YouTube or or that's it.
• 24:04
  I'm done with the hobby as far as like being on in public with
• 24:07
  it. I I just I can't spend that much
• 24:10
  time on things like that. Oh quick rant.
• 24:15
  Oh, hold on. I gotta turn this up.
• 24:16
  What's going on here? But.
• 24:17
  While you're doing that, yeah, honestly, I I makes a few I
• 24:21
  share stories, you know, for the for clubhouse sports card
• 24:23
  clubhouse episodes on it will take me like less than a minute
• 24:27
  to to put it out there. But to your point, I I probably
• 24:30
  spend less than 30 minutes a week on Instagram too.
• 24:32
  For the most part. It's so quick and easy.
• 24:35
  I'm not doing lives on there. I'm not producing any content on
• 24:39
  Instagram. Whereas making a video on
• 24:41
  YouTube, for me at least it would, it definitely requires
• 24:43
  more work and time. So it's just more just laziness
• 24:46
  to be honest. I hear you.
• 24:48
  Yeah, for sure. Oh, oh, where I was going with
• 24:51
  that, that that that video that was making its rounds hobbies
• 24:56
  insane on the YouTube side. And there's there was that video
• 25:00
  of the, the dealer of, you know, quote UN quote being a jerk to
• 25:04
  the guy. I don't know if you noticed any
• 25:06
  of those. It went on like 7 different
• 25:09
  people were talking about it. I didn't even think the guy was
• 25:11
  a jerk. I was like I don't know, I just
• 25:13
  think there's more than more than meets the eye to that
• 25:18
  story. I didn't the whole comps thing
• 25:21
  every time I heard I did this again, so I hear you.
• 25:24
  Like when 1 little thing gets touched on YouTube, every single
• 25:28
  channel has to hit it up. I'm fine with it.
• 25:30
  I just don't need to be the guy that hits it up every time, so.
• 25:33
  Yeah, and honestly, at this point, I feel like a lot of
• 25:37
  people have better takes than me and are more knowledgeable on on
• 25:40
  news and stuff than I am. So I'm like, I'll just be in the
• 25:44
  background on these things. Like I don't need to give my
• 25:46
  opinion. We're we're honestly, I'm not
• 25:48
  even well researched on a lot of this stuff.
• 25:50
  So like I'll just make a fool out of myself if I come out and
• 25:52
  talk about a lot of the things. I'm just like, I just watch
• 25:54
  other people's videos and and then someday, I don't know,
• 25:57
  maybe I'll, I like showing my collection.
• 26:00
  But then again, it's like, I don't know, how do I do it?
• 26:02
  Do I? You can't see cards like this,
• 26:04
  and then I have to set up a whole thing.
• 26:06
  Oh, yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know.
• 26:08
  Hey. We all miss.
• 26:09
  We all miss the three and three, you know, and it's been been
• 26:12
  quite some time. But yeah, I hear you.
• 26:14
  I hear you, Adam. There's no.
• 26:15
  It was a great way to meet people too, network.
• 26:18
  And you know what, that's probably a part of it too, is I
• 26:20
  feel like I've made a lot of cool friends that I'm still in
• 26:23
  touch with through, you know, text messages or whatever.
• 26:26
  Or now I watch their videos all the time where if I went to a
• 26:30
  card show like the West Coast card show, like you did, I would
• 26:33
  be able to meet up with 25 different guys that I, that I
• 26:37
  know and consider to be friends, even if I've never met him
• 26:39
  before. So I feel like a lot of what I
• 26:41
  did with three and three and everything, and a lot of it was
• 26:43
  for me just to like, it was a fun way to meet someone, you
• 26:46
  know, new. So not that I wouldn't like to
• 26:49
  keep doing it, but it it it's decent amount of work to like
• 26:52
  line up, line up two schedules and can you do Oh, it's.
• 26:56
  Insane, insane. And how many friends?
• 26:59
  How many friends do you need? Like there's comes a point on
• 27:02
  YouTube where it's like now I want to be friends with
• 27:06
  everybody, but you just can't. I can't have everybody.
• 27:09
  I can't text everyone. I can't be close to everyone.
• 27:12
  It's insane. I have my wife would divorce me.
• 27:14
  So you have you form these little groups and there's
• 27:17
  nothing wrong with that because that's how it's supposed to be.
• 27:19
  People come on these. Guys are like to get to know
• 27:21
  better that I just haven't had a chance.
• 27:23
  But then it's like, like I could do that, but then I don't even
• 27:26
  have the time to keep in touch with a lot of the, the guys I've
• 27:29
  already known for 3-4 years on here.
• 27:31
  I feel bad. There's some, I, I see someone
• 27:33
  make a video, I go, man, I, I haven't reached out to that
• 27:35
  person in a while. I feel bad, you know, I watch
• 27:37
  their videos. But yeah.
• 27:40
  So anyway, it's, it's a, it's a good problem to have.
• 27:42
  You know, I feel lucky that I discovered this world and I've
• 27:46
  gotten a lot out of it. And you know, and we'll do I'll
• 27:48
  keep, I'll keep I'm always going to be involved with it somehow,
• 27:51
  whether I'm still watching or commenting.
• 27:53
  And with Sports Card clubhouse putting out more overtime, I
• 27:57
  think. But you know, we'll see.
• 28:00
  The next thing I wanted to bring up to you is, OK, this is a good
• 28:04
  time. So I I mentioned I'll mention in
• 28:06
  here, I recently sold a card. It was the 1994 Mickey Mantle
• 28:13
  Ken Griffey Junior autograph card.
• 28:16
  Very, very, I would say it's a famous card in the hobby, you
• 28:19
  know, well known, which is probably why it sold for what it
• 28:22
  did, which I was very surprised at.
• 28:25
  But I just last week it ended and now this was the one where
• 28:30
  it just had the Mickey Mantle auto.
• 28:32
  So the ones that have the dual auto, the Griffey and the
• 28:34
  Mantle, those are obviously really expensive cards.
• 28:37
  But this one, you know, I'm a Mickey Mantle collector.
• 28:39
  I'm not a Ken Griffey junior collector.
• 28:40
  So when I bought that card a few years back, I said I just want
• 28:44
  to go with the one that was autographed by mantle only.
• 28:47
  I forget what it was. I think it was like 500 of
• 28:49
  mantle, 500 of Griffey only and then 500 of them both that
• 28:53
  autographed it. I, I'm pretty sure.
• 28:55
  So I had the one in, you know, for a long time it was like
• 28:59
  between A2 to $3000 card, which expensive card.
• 29:04
  And then I'm, I recently caught wind that like I, I forget what
• 29:09
  I saw. I saw something of like a sale
• 29:11
  on the, the Griffey only or something like that where I was
• 29:14
  like, really? And then I did a little more
• 29:16
  research cuz like, you know, there's been a conversation
• 29:18
  about card values on YouTube recently.
• 29:21
  And I am also in the camp of they do matter to me in certain
• 29:25
  ways. But when I buy a card, I don't
• 29:28
  check the price and I don't really monitor what it's worth.
• 29:31
  Cuz when I usually buy something like I bought this card, I
• 29:33
  didn't buy it to sell right away or anything like that.
• 29:36
  Or even, you know, if you would ask me, are you going to sell
• 29:39
  this card in three years? I probably would have said no at
• 29:40
  the time when I bought it, but it apparently had climbed.
• 29:46
  I think it, it went up about 5, four to five times of what I
• 29:50
  bought it for a few years back. So it ended up selling.
• 29:53
  It was a Beckett 8.5 grade on the card with a nine auto and it
• 29:59
  sold for about $13,000. Insane.
• 30:03
  So, I mean, I was very surprised at that.
• 30:06
  I know. And then you texted me.
• 30:07
  You said, hey, at the West Coast Card show, I saw a few of those
• 30:11
  in these showcases and they were going, they were like listed at,
• 30:13
  what, 15,000? Yeah.
• 30:15
  Wow. So I'm thinking, holy moly.
• 30:18
  And so my question to you is, in a few years here, why do you
• 30:22
  think? And I honestly, I think, I think
• 30:24
  it's probably been in the last year that it's climbed.
• 30:27
  I think he, I didn't hadn't been checking it, but I think even as
• 30:30
  far as like a year or two ago, it was still right in that price
• 30:33
  range of like 3000 dollar $4000 card, something like that.
• 30:36
  So just pretty recently this card has 4X Why?
• 30:41
  Why do you think, what do you think is leading to this?
• 30:44
  Why did that card go up so much? OK, well let's tie it all the
• 30:47
  way back to remember. Remember when everything came
• 30:50
  crashing down after the after the pandemic bubble thing and
• 30:55
  everybody thought the hobby was doomed and over and we came on
• 30:58
  and we're like, no, we're going to see another huge boom just
• 31:03
  like that and it's even going to pass that one up?
• 31:06
  Well, I think we're seeing it right now and we're seeing it in
• 31:10
  more iconic cards. We're seeing it in more scarce
• 31:14
  cards. And it's not like I guess I will
• 31:20
  use the term smarter. You know?
• 31:22
  I've never been a base card type of guy.
• 31:25
  Like I don't understand why Mike Trout's base cards worth more
• 31:29
  than 200. I blows my absolute brain that
• 31:33
  any base Otani card is worth more than $50.00 in any grade
• 31:38
  because there's just millions of them.
• 31:42
  So I think cards like that with all the collector base that has
• 31:47
  grown exponentially over the last five years has just gone
• 31:51
  like through the moon as far as the number of people collecting
• 31:55
  cards and or flipping cards all the same to me, ever whoever's
• 32:00
  in the hobby that has grown. And so those guys see those cars
• 32:04
  that they didn't even know existed, cards like that where
• 32:07
  there's only 500 of them. And you know how many of those
• 32:11
  got destroyed? So there's probably only like
• 32:13
  350 maybe that survived during that time.
• 32:17
  And I think, you know, you got the Griffey trains, like off the
• 32:21
  tracks right now. Mantle's not off the tracks.
• 32:24
  The the, the vintage guys seem to be right in a good sweet spot
• 32:28
  where they're just slowly climbing, but they have Griffey
• 32:32
  on there with mantle. I think cards like that, they're
• 32:35
  just those, there's those, those grail cards that guys that are
• 32:39
  in the hobby now, the new guys coming in and even the older
• 32:42
  guys, they didn't even know those cards existed.
• 32:44
  And they find out that they exist and they just start, they
• 32:48
  take on a a world of their own and, and there's so many cards
• 32:52
  like that that that's happened to.
• 32:54
  And I think it's, I mean, I, I'm on the fence of the I think
• 32:58
  still think we're in the beginning stages of this, or I'd
• 33:01
  say mid. I I think we're in like the 5th
• 33:02
  inning, maybe 6th inning now of the hobby growing, whether Sir.
• 33:09
  And I think during that is just going to bring up certain cards
• 33:11
  like that. Certain cards for no reason
• 33:14
  whatsoever are just going to just start skyrocketing.
• 33:18
  They just they hit this little magical a rainbow and people
• 33:23
  start hearing about them and seeing them more and then boom,
• 33:26
  next thing you know, those are all hot and on fire there.
• 33:29
  There's really no other explanation to it.
• 33:32
  Well, let me let. Me ask you that OK, so I was
• 33:34
  thinking about this. I was thinking yeah, I was very
• 33:36
  happy that that card sold for what it did.
• 33:38
  I mean, the reason I sold that card is I was going through my
• 33:41
  collection. There was some cards I wanted to
• 33:42
  get out. And maybe on the next episode
• 33:44
  when I get it in hand, I'll show, well, at least one of the
• 33:48
  cards that I bought with the money from that sale of the
• 33:51
  $13,000 Mantle Griffey card sale, but I don't have it in
• 33:55
  hand yet. But I was going through my
• 33:57
  collection trying to find, all right, what cards could I sell
• 34:00
  here where I can fund this card and a couple others that I want
• 34:04
  to get. And this card struck my eye
• 34:07
  because I was thinking, you know, this is a cool card.
• 34:10
  I bought it because I was, I always knew about it and I
• 34:12
  always, I guess wanted it. But then I looked at it and I
• 34:14
  thought, you know, I'm not a Griffey collector.
• 34:16
  It's kind of a, it's a combo card with Griffey.
• 34:18
  I like Griffey, you know, I have some of his cards, but and then
• 34:22
  I was thinking, I already have a Mickey Mantle.
• 34:23
  I have a couple different Mickey Mantle pack pulled autos.
• 34:26
  I have like the score ones from 91 or 91 I think and 9292 I
• 34:33
  actually kind of like oh. Yeah, I think there's a there's
• 34:35
  a 91 too, but the score franchise, yeah, let.
• 34:38
  Me show you this I'll show you this one next, but the I have
• 34:40
  the 90 ones where they made like a series of seven cards and
• 34:44
  different ones like the Triple Crown one where it's just mantle
• 34:47
  on there with the autograph. I actually kind of like those
• 34:49
  cards better and they're way less expensive and they came out
• 34:52
  earlier. So I'm thinking like, I'll keep
• 34:54
  those because I, I really like those best.
• 34:56
  But this mantle Griffey 1 is worth like 5X of what the other
• 35:00
  mantle auto pack pulled autos are worth.
• 35:03
  And so I'm like, well, maybe I'll sell this one.
• 35:05
  And it's not like I won't have any left.
• 35:07
  I still got some from 91 and 92. But I was thinking like, who,
• 35:12
  who do you? I was trying to figure out, I'll
• 35:13
  never know probably. But it's like who bought that
• 35:15
  card? Who bought, who paid 13,000 for
• 35:17
  that card? And I came to two conclusions.
• 35:19
  It's I don't think it was like a collector.
• 35:21
  I don't think someone who's like would want to have that card for
• 35:24
  their long term collection. I think they probably know the
• 35:27
  price range of that, of where it's been and they maybe
• 35:30
  wouldn't pull the trigger at 13,000 on that card.
• 35:32
  But I think it was either meant for a repack.
• 35:35
  I think it might be a Chase card and a repack.
• 35:38
  And those repacking companies, you know, they'll just pay
• 35:40
  whatever because they're going to just they'll mark up the
• 35:43
  repack that it's in and they'll end up making money either way,
• 35:46
  whether they buy it for 13,000 or 3000.
• 35:49
  So it's probably going to be a Chase card and a repack or it
• 35:53
  might be someone, some dealer who's looked at it and go, I
• 35:56
  could crack that out, get Griffey to sign it.
• 36:00
  And then it would probably be worth, I don't know, 30, forty,
• 36:03
  $50,000 because it's the, it's now the dual auto.
• 36:07
  Even though like, I don't know, there's probably no way to know
• 36:10
  if it was a Griffey playing day's auto versus if you signed
• 36:13
  it now, maybe, but you could probably pull that off.
• 36:16
  You could crack it out, get it signed by Griffey at a show and
• 36:20
  then regrade it with Beckett or PSA and then now it's the and no
• 36:25
  one will ever know that it wasn't the pack pulled double
• 36:27
  auto. I would feel yeah like I God, OK
• 36:31
  keep going. I just that.
• 36:33
  That that was it. I was thinking it's probably
• 36:35
  either the dealer trying to do something like that or it's
• 36:38
  going to be a repacker. But what do you think?
• 36:40
  Who do you, if you could like, come up with in your head who
• 36:43
  bought that card at that price? Who do you think it was?
• 36:45
  What? Type of I think you I think you
• 36:47
  probably nailed it. That wasn't in my brain, but I
• 36:49
  think a repacker could have definitely scarfed that thing
• 36:52
  up. One thing I one thing to since
• 36:56
  you brought up the autograph and having that card autographed and
• 36:58
  it going up in value, honestly, nothing makes me well, I don't
• 37:03
  want to say that too loudly. I hate that you can send a card
• 37:10
  in to someone and get it autographed and all of a sudden
• 37:14
  it's worth like 10 times more. I don't understand that.
• 37:19
  In fact a card like that if if that got autographed I to me it
• 37:23
  ruins the card. I want it to be its true form as
• 37:26
  it came out of the pack. That's why I love pack pulled
• 37:30
  autographs. I don't like cards that get
• 37:33
  autographed later when a guy's still alive and you can send a
• 37:37
  card to get autographed and all of a sudden it's worth 10 times
• 37:40
  the price. It's just to me, it's just what
• 37:44
  it's like a game. I don't want to play that game.
• 37:46
  Now I get it. You're have all the right to and
• 37:49
  some people like those cards to be autographed and stuff.
• 37:52
  But I don't understand that if somebody's alive and you can
• 37:56
  send a card and you get it autographed, all of a sudden
• 37:58
  it's worth a lot more. I, I, my brain can't comprehend
• 38:03
  that I don't care about it. I don't like it.
• 38:07
  It's like part of the hobby that just kind of bothers me.
• 38:11
  I know there's guys out there, I don't want to call anyone out,
• 38:15
  but I know guys out there literally they that's their game
• 38:18
  is they, they get their cards autographed and then they go get
• 38:21
  them dual graded and it becomes worth more money.
• 38:25
  I never it never. It never works for my brain.
• 38:28
  The TTM thing, I get super fun, exciting and the cards, the guys
• 38:34
  doing TTMS, those cards aren't worth it really much more when
• 38:38
  they're autographed. But the ones that like getting a
• 38:41
  card signed by Sandy Kofax, he's still alive and guys are sending
• 38:44
  their rookie cards in in in droves to get them autographs
• 38:48
  and all of a sudden they're worth more.
• 38:49
  I don't want an autographed Sandy Kofax rookie card simply
• 38:54
  for the fact because he's still alive and some guy probably just
• 38:56
  got autographed yesterday. It bothers the heck out of me if
• 39:01
  the guy's hasn't, if the guy's been alive in the last 10 years,
• 39:05
  I don't want to pay for his autograph on a on a card now
• 39:08
  unless it's a pack pulled autograph.
• 39:10
  Whereas like guys that have passed away before, you know,
• 39:13
  this whole dual autograph thing or like the dual grading
• 39:17
  autograph thing took off and there's less of them out there.
• 39:21
  Those are the ones I would love to get, like the Jackie
• 39:23
  Robinsons, you know? Oh.
• 39:24
  Yeah, like, you know, one of the coolest cards I've ever seen is
• 39:28
  Tony Southern collector he that 1952 centered Jackie Robinson.
• 39:34
  The Burger house the. 52 tops. That's yeah, 52 tops.
• 39:38
  That is unbelievable. So yeah, there's obviously a
• 39:41
  difference between cards like that and and ones we're talking
• 39:43
  about, you know, and. But that's the thing.
• 39:46
  But it's, it's kind of the same. So say, say Jackie was still
• 39:49
  alive and you had his 1950 Bowman card and you sent it to
• 39:52
  him to get autographed and you brought it back.
• 39:54
  All of a sudden it's worth like 10 times more because you paid
• 39:58
  for it to be 10 times more. I don't know.
• 39:59
  I my brain doesn't kind. Of get out.
• 40:02
  I hear what you're saying there for sure, but yeah.
• 40:04
  I don't believe in the whole autograph thing and making it
• 40:08
  worth a lot more while the guy's still around and it's like a
• 40:11
  race to get all these rare cards out.
• 40:13
  I guess it's another topic then you're kind of asking, but
• 40:18
  that's where my brain goes. I think you're right.
• 40:21
  You nailed it on the head. I think it was AI.
• 40:22
  Don't think it went to a collector.
• 40:24
  I don't think a collector's buying that card all the sudden
• 40:28
  when they could have bought it two years ago for $3000.
• 40:32
  And it frustrates me because I, I never wanted that card.
• 40:37
  I never liked that card that 94 told.
• 40:39
  Me that that you never liked that card anyway.
• 40:41
  I get, I don't think the two. I think the paintings just
• 40:44
  don't. I don't like it.
• 40:45
  I've never. I thought that card was a little
• 40:46
  weird. Yeah.
• 40:47
  The way they did the painting and stuff.
• 40:48
  It's iconic. I think that's why it's gone up
• 40:51
  so much. That's that was one of the other
• 40:53
  questions I was going to ask you is like, that card is way more
• 40:56
  famous in the hobby and in the industry than what I consider to
• 41:01
  be a way better card. This one right here, OK.
• 41:05
  No, don't show anyone that card. This card right here is 1992 for
• 41:11
  those listening score the franchise triple auto mutual
• 41:15
  mantle and yastremsky unbelievable gold signature here
• 41:20
  on all three. This card.
• 41:22
  I looked because I was just curious like well, that that
• 41:25
  mantle card went up like 5X right?
• 41:27
  This card really hasn't changed price.
• 41:30
  This card, on the other hand, is I say like more famous with
• 41:33
  collectors and not that the Mantle Griffey 1 isn't well
• 41:36
  known by collectors, but it's also very well known by the
• 41:40
  industry. And I think that's the biggest
• 41:43
  reason why that card, the Mantle Griffey has 5X and this card,
• 41:48
  you know, has not. And I consider this a cooler
• 41:51
  card. There's 500 of these and.
• 41:53
  Way cooler card I mean. Way.
• 41:55
  Cool. Griffey's Griffey, but like I
• 41:58
  mean Stan. Mutual autograph with Mantle and
• 42:01
  Yaz. Now, I'm not the biggest Yaz
• 42:03
  guy. You would think I would be in
• 42:04
  Boston here, but he's not, I think.
• 42:06
  I think part of the reason this card hasn't gone up is Yaz.
• 42:10
  I think Yaz kills the card in a way.
• 42:12
  Sorry guy, I'm gonna get killed for that.
• 42:13
  I know, but I think. He does.
• 42:14
  All three of those players were better than Griffey in my
• 42:17
  opinion. So I.
• 42:18
  You could say that. In my in my opinion, but he's
• 42:21
  not as relevant to our generation, you know, none of
• 42:24
  those players are as relevant. The Griffey factor is.
• 42:27
  Amazing. And Griffey's the the new
• 42:29
  mantle. Really.
• 42:30
  Yeah, he is the Griffey's Jordan mantle.
• 42:33
  Yeah, yeah, Griffey I never even liked.
• 42:35
  I mean, I don't want to say it in like Griffey, but growing up,
• 42:37
  I I never care. I could care less about Griffey.
• 42:40
  I I to this day, I have a couple Griffey cards.
• 42:43
  But to your point about that 92, what about being the fact that
• 42:47
  that was before that? That is Mantle's second pack
• 42:52
  pulled autograph because they had the 90 ones.
• 42:54
  Isn't there some importance? I have a Griffey autograph on a
• 42:57
  classic best from 1992 pack pull that's beats out.
• 43:02
  I think it might be one of his, if not his first ever pack
• 43:06
  pulled autograph. That card hasn't moved.
• 43:09
  That card hasn't gone up because like you said, only collectors
• 43:12
  know about these other cards. Where that one card, it just
• 43:17
  kind of just took on a form of its.
• 43:19
  Own you don't see this card in the golden auctions, you know,
• 43:21
  you see the mantle Griffey 1 but it's a great card, you know and.
• 43:26
  But you might, you might all of a sudden that thing just might
• 43:30
  shoot to the moon because it turned back the clock and you
• 43:34
  had to bring it up again. And I'm still want that on my 50
• 43:37
  cards before I die list. I look for that at the show and
• 43:42
  I saw one and they wanted 5 grand.
• 43:44
  It was authentic and you know, I crossed my mind, but three
• 43:48
  grand, I would have scooped it. I'll be honest, if this card
• 43:51
  does what the Mantle Griffey card does in five XS, I'll
• 43:55
  probably sell it. I mean.
• 43:58
  You almost can't at that point. I think cards like that will
• 44:02
  come down. I think when the hobby ends,
• 44:05
  when the when the glory, the the boon ends, even booms inside,
• 44:10
  you know, while you're in a a boom, things end within it too,
• 44:14
  right. So all of a sudden those ones
• 44:16
  will just like come crashing down and they'll find like a
• 44:20
  level ground. Maybe, maybe it'll be a $7000
• 44:23
  card. You know, I don't see it
• 44:24
  probably ever going back to three just because it hit that
• 44:28
  peak. It's very hard to go back to the
• 44:31
  various lowest, but at some point it'll come.
• 44:34
  It'll find a lower ground. There's no way it holds $13,000
• 44:38
  for the next 5 years. It just, it just doesn't make
• 44:42
  any sense. Yeah, and especially again it's
• 44:44
  it is 500 of them or probably not 500 like you said, maybe 20%
• 44:48
  never even made it out of packs are still in the packs or they
• 44:51
  got thrown out or whatever. But to the point of like, you
• 44:55
  know, I'm not trying to add really extra money to whatever
• 44:59
  is invested in my card collection already.
• 45:01
  I'm just trying to like move the money around now.
• 45:03
  So if a card 5 XS, then it's hard not to when you're talking
• 45:07
  about like going from a, you know, a $4000 card to a $20,000
• 45:12
  card, It's hard to hold a $20,000 card that you did, you
• 45:15
  know, when you know what else like I could get with that money
• 45:18
  that I probably I like this card a lot.
• 45:21
  I think it's really cool. But you know, whatever it's it's
• 45:24
  AI wouldn't be like it's not a card that I'm going to go to go
• 45:28
  to my grave with probably not, you know, so but it's cool to
• 45:31
  it's cool to have it right now. It's a no no brainer move you
• 45:34
  did. And we have a friend who had he
• 45:37
  bought a card for 1000 bucks like a year ago.
• 45:39
  And I don't know why I didn't. I should have been the first one
• 45:42
  to buy this because I collect this genre of cards.
• 45:44
  I don't want to bring it up because I don't want to go too
• 45:46
  specific on it, but it's it's a close to a $20,000 card now and
• 45:50
  it's a base card and it's like this isn't, this isn't standing.
• 45:55
  So finally, like he's selling it because it's you can't, you just
• 45:59
  can't hold that card because it's not going to stay that way
• 46:02
  forever. I don't care what this player
• 46:04
  does. It cannot hold that level for
• 46:08
  very long. It's like a stock that you know
• 46:11
  goes up 300%. You have to sell it.
• 46:13
  It doesn't matter if it goes up 1000, at some point it comes
• 46:16
  back to reality. Just like Bitcoin, It always is
• 46:18
  going to retrace its steps backwards at some point in time.
• 46:23
  Whether it goes back past the highest point again, it always
• 46:27
  traces back to a level ground at some point.
• 46:30
  It just does. That's how the world works.
• 46:32
  By the way, that person that you mentioned, we won't mention who
• 46:35
  it is and I don't know if if they wanna make it known, but if
• 46:39
  they do, I'd love to have that person on after that card sells
• 46:42
  and we could talk about that cuz it's a really cool story.
• 46:45
  Yeah, really awesome. I'm super stoked for the person.
• 46:48
  They're they're a true collector and true just, but they didn't
• 46:52
  even want it. They don't want to even sell it
• 46:53
  because it it takes away from their run of cards.
• 46:56
  But it's like what he could get these massive dream cards for
• 47:01
  that. Who would ever spend?
• 47:03
  And I don't even see him buying a $10,000 card or $20,000 card
• 47:07
  with the money. It's like one of those things,
• 47:10
  if I had a car that went up to 20 grand, there's no way I'm
• 47:13
  putting that back into a $20,000 card.
• 47:15
  I would probably tuck 10 grand at least into the bank and then
• 47:20
  buy my Babe Ruth 33 Gaudi card with that $10,000.
• 47:23
  Well, that's another point I want to shout out John Mangini,
• 47:27
  who you and I both, you know, consider a friend and and fans
• 47:31
  of of his channel and everything he does.
• 47:34
  But he recently came out and he was talking about card values
• 47:37
  and like, you know, what good is it if your cards go up when if
• 47:42
  you sell it, you have to buy new cards at the same.
• 47:45
  The thing is not all cards go up equally, right?
• 47:48
  So like you could sell a card that 5X like I just did, right?
• 47:53
  And then I can go buy cards that really haven't run that much
• 47:56
  right. So you it doesn't all like every
• 47:58
  card doesn't go up exactly the same.
• 48:00
  We all know that. But yeah, yeah, I wanted to.
• 48:02
  Mention that too, because you can do that.
• 48:03
  You can certain cards that for whatever reason, it might not
• 48:06
  make sense, but they just shoot up that you've had for a long
• 48:10
  time. You can sell those and then buy
• 48:11
  cards that haven't shot up yet. So that's what's cool about it.
• 48:14
  Yeah. Anyway, last, if you got a
• 48:17
  another couple minutes, I have one more question I want to ask
• 48:20
  you regarding a card in the collection.
• 48:22
  So I've shown I don't know if I show you this card, but I think
• 48:25
  I probably did. But this is one of the coolest.
• 48:28
  This is a 1998 select numbers Noma Noma Garcia para.
• 48:35
  This is select numbers. Now, these cards were unreleased
• 48:38
  it when when Pinnacle went bankrupt, some of these escaped
• 48:42
  somehow. And you know, they're they're
• 48:44
  they're unreleased cards that never made it before they went
• 48:47
  bankrupt. So this one is graded by PSA.
• 48:50
  It was graded when I bought it. I recently found out that PSA
• 48:54
  has recently stopped grading these cards because they're
• 48:57
  unreleased. Wow.
• 48:59
  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know. I mean, I started thinking like,
• 49:01
  isn't there a bunch of like old vintage cards that made it out
• 49:05
  like the 61 tops game or 61 dice game cards?
• 49:10
  I don't think those were released, but I think PSA still
• 49:12
  grades though. So maybe they made that decision
• 49:15
  on those two. But in the comments, did anyone
• 49:18
  else know that? Like if a card was never meant
• 49:20
  to be released, but it somehow got out that PSA doesn't grade
• 49:24
  those 'cause that's a new thing that I just found out.
• 49:26
  They used to grade these, now they don't.
• 49:29
  And my question to you is, what do you think that that does that
• 49:33
  make the card more valuable in the long run if it's already
• 49:37
  graded by PSA and they don't grade it anymore or not that it
• 49:41
  really matters? But like, just out of curiosity,
• 49:43
  does it make it a cooler collectible or a more valuable
• 49:47
  one if it can no longer be graded by PSA and it's already
• 49:50
  graded by him? Or does it not matter?
• 49:52
  Or does it make it less valuable?
• 49:54
  Well, we're, we're all like sheep in a way, you know, we
• 49:57
  all, we're all like sheep and gone astray in certain ways.
• 50:00
  And a lot of people have gone astray looking at pop reports
• 50:05
  only. And they're obsessed with pop
• 50:07
  reports. So you could say there's not
• 50:10
  going to be any more coming up on the pop report.
• 50:12
  And that's how people judge scarcity is they look at the pop
• 50:16
  report and they're like, that is the Bible.
• 50:19
  And there's only for those that exist, period.
• 50:23
  So yeah, that could tell you that thing is going to
• 50:24
  skyrocket. You know, I don't really see a
• 50:29
  counter argument to it because you, it's in the slab, it's
• 50:34
  graded, it is a real card. My thought would be the reason
• 50:38
  maybe PSA is doing that is to deter theft from companies now
• 50:45
  from like fanatics right now, from guys backdooring cards and
• 50:48
  then having them graded. I don't know why they would do
• 50:51
  that because it's a real card. It existed.
• 50:54
  They produced it. Yeah.
• 50:57
  That I don't have much more to say other than the fact that I
• 51:01
  guess my opinion would be it's going to make it more valuable
• 51:03
  because the pop report's not going to grow anymore and people
• 51:06
  live and breathe and die by that.
• 51:08
  Pop report OK, yeah, I want to give a shout out to Goudy Gum on
• 51:12
  Instagram. Goudy Gum fellow Pedro collector
• 51:16
  and Red Red Sox collector. So he he was the one who he
• 51:21
  randomly he knew I had a couple of these cards and he does too.
• 51:25
  And so he sent me a message on Instagram just to let me know
• 51:27
  that somehow he found this out. He got it.
• 51:30
  He showed me an e-mail from PSA that basically were saying that
• 51:33
  they no longer grade them because they were unreleased.
• 51:36
  But then I was like, yeah, but there's a bunch of unreleased
• 51:39
  like pre war, right, and vintage cards that PSAI think still
• 51:42
  grade. So it was just interesting, like
• 51:44
  why they made that decision, you know, and and I know another
• 51:49
  shout out Brian high pop professor just landed a Maddox
• 51:52
  one of these. Yes, I saw it.
• 51:54
  I let. Him know like hey, don't waste
• 51:55
  your time sending that to PSA because they're not going to
• 51:58
  grade it so. Let me, let me make a comment on
• 52:00
  that card. So I'm, you know me, I'm not a
• 52:03
  90s guy. I have no attraction to those
• 52:06
  90s cards. For the most part.
• 52:08
  I didn't have money in the, you know, in the early 90s and then
• 52:12
  in the mid 90s, I was buying, I was only buying great adventures
• 52:15
  cards. That's what I collected.
• 52:17
  I started opening packs in the 2000s.
• 52:19
  So the 2000s is where I gravitate to and and they're
• 52:23
  just way cheaper. I mean, I I'm fully attracted to
• 52:25
  them because I opened millions of boxes in the 2000s.
• 52:29
  But the 90s cards to me, most not, I could say most of them
• 52:34
  aren't that attract. I'm not attracted like the PM
• 52:36
  GS, I think are some of the ugliest cards I've ever seen.
• 52:38
  I I have a EX credentials card like I've experimented.
• 52:43
  I bought some for like Hideki Matsui.
• 52:45
  That was my experimental, some of the more 2000s I guess for
• 52:49
  him, but I've seen all those in the flesh.
• 52:52
  I'm not distracting, but that card that select numbers is the
• 52:56
  greatest looking baseball card I've ever seen.
• 52:59
  Those are absolutely mind blowing.
• 53:04
  And if a company will make a card like that again today?
• 53:07
  Grand Slam. So they they do Pani still
• 53:11
  makes, I don't know if they still, they don't still do it,
• 53:13
  but there's Panini. They don't hit the same, but
• 53:15
  they Panini kind of brought it back a little bit And they like
• 53:18
  I have a select numbers of Freddie Freeman card that I just
• 53:21
  randomly picked up cuz like, hey, select numbers, you know,
• 53:24
  it's just kind of like a a blast to the past or whatever.
• 53:26
  But I'm gonna have to look that up because those cards are
• 53:29
  spectacular. They do not, they don't hit like
• 53:31
  like like these cards do so. That thing is, it's kind of just
• 53:35
  unbelievable. Mesmerizing.
• 53:37
  Unbelievable that, you know, obviously like the 93 finest
• 53:41
  refractors in the early refractors, but there's they're
• 53:44
  not that they're no, they're not like crazy special to me.
• 53:47
  They're all this you. Know by the way the 90s cards,
• 53:50
  they continue to just I cannot believe how much they keep going
• 53:54
  up in price. I was wrong there.
• 53:55
  I was wrong there. You, you and like a lot of
• 53:59
  people, and I actually kind of, I was like, yeah, you're
• 54:00
  probably right. You were like, you know, 90s
• 54:02
  cards have had their day. They've already grown and then
• 54:04
  just keep, they just keep going up and up and up.
• 54:06
  So it's, it is crazy to see some of the like the Ken Griffey
• 54:11
  Junior PMG 1998 recently sold. It's numbered to 50.
• 54:16
  It's sold for like, I think it was like $90,000 for one of
• 54:19
  those and it's insane. Derek Jeter essential
• 54:23
  credentials numbered to six, of course.
• 54:25
  I mean it's low, but $500,000, 1998, so these.
• 54:30
  Cards aren't even good looking in my opinion but that I don't
• 54:34
  care either. I collect printing plates that
• 54:36
  some people call on good looking, but it just to me, I
• 54:41
  find it hilarious cuz I don't know, you know, it's it just
• 54:46
  shows rarity and scarcity, even though it's manufactured really
• 54:51
  is truly rare and scarce and their people are turned onto it.
• 54:55
  And I think that's I still hold that it's 2000s are way are are
• 54:59
  the next thing to take off in the hobby as we move up the
• 55:04
  chain as that, you know, as 10 more years when guys are, you
• 55:09
  know, the next generation of 40 year olds come along.
• 55:12
  I love the two and in fact, tomorrow I am meeting up with a
• 55:16
  local dealer here and gonna pick up two really awesome Pedro
• 55:22
  one's 2001, another one's 2004. Like just really awesome cards.
• 55:28
  So yeah, I guess I'm I'm out of my I'm not buying any big cards
• 55:32
  mode now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're, you're
• 55:34
  back on the, you're back on the bull train since you made that
• 55:36
  money from that sale, right? Yeah, it's like, you know, I
• 55:39
  take a little of the money and of course, you know, put it
• 55:42
  away, save it a little bit and put it in the card account.
• 55:44
  But then most of it goes back into into cards, so yeah.
• 55:49
  Well, I'm on your train. I'm deleting all my eBay
• 55:53
  searches. I'm looking for four cards only.
• 55:57
  I'm really going to try not buy a card for a long time.
• 56:01
  There's going to be a couple exceptions, but very small on my
• 56:05
  buddy Robert's Whatnot channel. I'll buy some certain Mickey
• 56:10
  with ears cards that are, you know, but otherwise I'm really,
• 56:14
  but I'm not shutting down because I think cards are are
• 56:16
  going down, going down or anything like that.
• 56:19
  I still think this is going to keep running.
• 56:21
  I just I'm going to sit off. I have my collection.
• 56:24
  It's pretty magical looking right now and I kind of want to
• 56:28
  enjoy what I have for as long as I can.
• 56:31
  It's tough. Yeah.
• 56:32
  And you can't, we can't. You can't go at a certain pace
• 56:35
  forever. You got to kind of take the foot
• 56:37
  off the gas for a little bit and then there'll be a day when you
• 56:40
  you step back on it. But the, that's the great part
• 56:42
  is we, we both have collections. I think that even if we had to
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  stop collecting right now, which luckily we don't, but I think we
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  would still have a collection that we could be happy with for
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  the rest of our life, you know? 100% I have enough cards where I
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  can never buy one again and I go back and just continue to enjoy
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  what I have. And we say that all the time.
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  It's kind of cliche and stupid, you know?
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  Enjoy what you got. No, obviously collect what you
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  like. Just keep like all these sayings
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  that we say, They just didn't infuriate me inside, but I say
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  them too and they're just like, they're stupid.
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  Wait before we before we go, I'll leave you with one.
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  This is a new saying. I think you've probably never
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  heard this. Buy the card, not the grade.
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  Have you heard that? That's I just, I just picked up
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  on that recently. That's a new one.
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  It's a brand new one, not the one it just.
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  Killed me a little more inside even more.
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  All right, Dylan, we're about an hour here.
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  I think that was good, right, Unless you had anything else or
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  we saved. That was awesome I got we can
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  save for the next show all. Right.
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  Well, guys, thanks for another episode here on Sports Card
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  Clubhouse. Dylan, thank you.
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  I appreciate you getting up early to do these.
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  I know it's probably not the ideal time, but hey, I
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  appreciate it, man. Thank you.
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  I have a blast talking to. You alright?
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  Thank you guys.